Tools you DON'T need: Jointer vs Planer vs Drum sander
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2020
- Do you need all three milling machines? Just two? One? None? This video will tell you what and why.
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I love how you jump straight into the content, instead of spending minutes talking about sponsors, smashing the subscribe button, Patreon, or whatever's been going on in your life since your last video. It's so refreshing that I subscribed even though I'm not really planning on doing any woodworking any time soon.
THE LOOSE SHIRT CONTROVERSY: There's a clip in this video where the jointer is being operated with a loose shirt tail. This is dangerous. The shop assistant was reprimanded for it and the footage was re-shot because safety is a top priority in my shop and on this channel. Somehow that one clip slipped past editing. It is not a practice I condone. But everyone makes mistakes. So please cut the kid a break.
Yeah, armchair critics all. Nobody can say they've never cut a corner through absent-mindedness or haste - we all know that's not true. That's why everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - needs a safety tune-up on a regular basis. I've flagged your safety vids, and I try to review them every 3-4 months. I STILL managed to trigger my SawStop brake by touching the blade to my metal miter gauge through a moment's carelessness.
The kid will be OK - I firmly believe we learn through our errors, and we fail to learn when we don't make any mistakes. Nil illegitimi carborundum.
@@steveelves3499 Nil illegitimi carborundum Is that a new brand of sandpaper?
I've never liked long sleeve shirts. ok, not in the last 40 years. They were too long, too short or too tight. I used to work on cars and long sleeves really got in the way. Now that I am a woodworker I see where long sleeves can be very dangerous. Guys and girls, don't hurry, step back and think and you'll be safe.
I've made my share of bonehead mistakes using my shop tools.... I was just surprised to see that footage made it into the final video and as someone else said I cringed when I saw the loose shirt so close to the spinning cutting head...
@@Ofageover50 "... the footage was re-shot because safety is a top priority in my shop and on this channel. Somehow that one clip slipped past editing...."
Thanks for making this video. I started out in woodworking just a couple of years ago, and this video would have saved me lots of worries back then.
Luckily, I found a wonderful deal from a local fellow woodworker who had just upgraded his own planer and jointer and was selling the ones he had been using for about $400 together. I locked up my shop and jumped in the truck. When I got there we talked about the projects we were working on, some of the projects we were proud of and exchanged some compliments on pictures of our builds. I told him I was still working primarily with pine and was venturing into harder woods by cleaning up pallet boards. He asked me, "what could you have learned from working in pine?" My reply was simply, "The importance of a very sharp chisel and how to sharpen it."
We laughed and he asked if I had my chisels with me and I did. He said that if my chisels were sharper than his, he'd give me a hundred dollars off the sale price. His chisels were not dull, but mine cut through the end grain of a pine board without crushing fibers and left a near glass clear surface.
Anyway, I made a new friend and got a $300 jointer/planer combo that has helped me advance my ability to make projects faster. I am reminded of that story every time I use them to mill boards for a project.
Thats a badass story!
Am I the only one who appreciates hand planing and natural imperfections of wood?
The first 2 minutes of this video perfectly describes my experience woodworking so far
Same hahaha I just got into woodworking and when he started describing the scenarios, I was wondering how he knows me so well!!
Same 😂😂
yes yes, same with me. I am new to woodworking. I have to look up and watch videos about everything. This is an excellent channel. I find him easy tlo understand. I just got a table saw and was confused about jointers and planers.
Came here to say the same! lol
@@adamwpatterson i may be a month late but, as James said, get the thickness planer first. Learn how it works on a piece of wood because it may not produce the desired outcome through no fault of its design. Before buying a jointer, look into "walking sticks". I believe stumpy has another great video on those.
This guy deserves more than a like and a cold one, he realy take time and effort to go into true details so everyone could understand it clear as water. He is one of my favorites woodworking channels👍
I quite agree. Things are clearly explained without any hype.
Don’t Change y’all are awesome 😎
Thank you
+1
I agree. He is very detailed and I have come to trust his opinion on any subject concerning woodworking.
I think you should be Dr. Stumpy Nubs - A Master Woodworking Professor. Please, keep up the inspiring work!!!!
Wow. I never understood the difference in these machines. I'm 5 minutes you educated me. Thanks!
WOW...Thank You!
I'm a union carpenter in the film industry. Most of my 30 years in construction were spent doing home improvements, framing, and finish carpentery. Hardwood shop work is still new to me. I REALLY thank you for this video. There's Always more to learn.
As a budding machinist that knows nothing about the art of woodworking, metal is all I know. Thanks to your channel, I've learned a whole lot in just a few days. I love your content, man!
I am in the exact same position compadre. Give me calibrated milling machine or lathe, and I’ll make her sing. I obviously knew wood would be a different beast, but I figured cutting is cutting, and I understand those mechanics really well. Boy was I wrong.
You just perfectly describe the last 2 years of my life. Nice job.
I finally got my first planer after 2 years of garage sale hunting. Hoping to get a jointer this weekend
Such a clear explanation. Not a wasted word, yet you got everything that was needed in. Brilliant.
Ditto! James has a way of not wasting words, yet being clear and concise. Love it!
you have a great talent for explaining things succinctly without any fluff. thank you for the great content, Stumpy
Like and subscribed! this is by FAR the simplest and most comprehensive breakdown of the difference between a jointer and a planer. Keep these coming
Your channel is one of the more informative and enjoyable woodworking channels I’ve found on RUclips. Thanks for the advice! I had been pondering this question for the last month or so, and this video helps out a lot.
This is an 8 minute conversation someone should have had with me when I was 12. This is why so many entry level machines bounce around the used market all the time. Awesome idea for a video, and it was well explained. Thank you!
You're the man! NO ONE explains it all better than you! Thank you for every video! 🙏🏼😎🛠
Really enjoy how you structure your videos. Its captivating, meticulous, yet brief, and informative!
So far, your preparation and clarity are the best I've found online in my new interest in woodworking.
I really enjoy watching your videos. I’m pleased to say that finally after nearly two years as a hobbyist, I actually knew most of this. But I like to watch anyway, in case I missed something. You are one of a very select few RUclips people I actually respect. Your videos are always concise and no nonsense. Thanks again for helping me get to where I am today.
Sometimes I’m reluctant to sit through the whole video but you have a great but serious sense of humor you make worth my while. Thanks for shedding light on the drum sander I’m getting one.
I've just started shopping around for these tools, so it is great to get a breakdown of how and when to use them. I have fairly limited room in my shop, so it looks like a benchtop thickness planer and a bit of creativity to get those perfect boards. Thanks for your excellent videos!
Thanks Stump! Your videos are so thorough and informative that I actually watch it from start to finish. Most other channels I just skip to the part I'm trying to figure out
Thank you for that explanation Stumpy! I am setting up my new woodshop and trying to make this exact decision. Your explanation was very straight forward and helpful!
Stumpy keeps it real and to the point. Perfect for beginners getting into the hobby/trade.
Long time listener, first time caller. Love all your vids James. Thank you very very much for all your insight.
Stumpy, you're the best at explaining the reasons for using and purchasing tools and equipment
Thank you for the quality information. It's great to see good honest knowledge being passed on to the next generation.
Some people have so much pride that they won't teach. Keep up the good work! I am thinking of purchasing your book.
I am new to this, but I love the work I've done.
So quick and direct. I definitely wasn't using my tools together right thanks.
I've watched a LOT of videos on this subject. This was by far the best.
Thank you for this video. I am exactly your target audience for this type of material. Please continue to add content on this level to your catalog.
Which is also the reason I just subscribed.
This is a beautifully simple explanation, thank you.
Thank you. This is clear, concise information for anyone who is considering purchasing these power tools for their shop. Very well done!
Thank you, I'm just a beginner and watching a lot of videos. I really appreciate your clarity, explanations and understanding of the craft. Thank you, very helpful
Watching this just made me realize how much I want a jointer...
Just wanted to say thanks for making such quality videos for free. You answer questions I don't think of to ask, and your delivery and editing is so easy to digest. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your expertise to us novices.
*Also concur, with additional mention that at my level, can't afford too much & without this info, will never get there, either!
I am getting deeper into my woodworking business with tables and other furniture. I was on the fence about what to buy first but now I know I will get the thickness plainer first. Thank you for all your awesome informative videos. God bless and have a wonderful day!
You described exactly my 30 year evolution as a part time woodworker. I'm now looking at upgrading to a wider jointer with a helical head. Love your videos.
Spot on advice! I started with a drum sander, wish I had invested in a thicknesser first.. Now have all three machines and the scope of timbers I can now use has expanded immensly. Some real gems can be found rough sawn for half the price of pre dressed timber.
I really can't begin to express how much I love your videos!! Everything is so methodically laid out and clearly stated. Thanks to you and the people you work with to make this content!
My dad was a general contractor and tho he taught me the basics he didn't get into the details of why things were used. I feel like I'm learning everything all over again and it's fantastic!
FINALLY! THANK YOU! Good grief, I don’t know how many planer vs jointer videos I had watched before and they all had left me hanging with the same questions. You explained things SOOOO CLEARLY! Thanks! :)
I like the clear and concise, and easy to understand delivery of the information. Thank you
Great presentation and thanks for your time. Although I've got all those tools I usually jump from the jointer to the band saw if the stock isn't over 8" and then the drum sander. But I'm old and never been formally trained in the proper techniques of wood working. I just grew up on a farm where if you needed something you figured out how to make it yourself. The golden rule in my family was "If you didn't make it, you don't really own it". So now I'm a new subscriber. Even at 76 I have a few things to learn to better my work.
Knowledgeable and concise, thank you.
seriously man, your videos have been more useful to me in regards to woodworking than all the rest I have used put together as I have been forced to learn a lot about woodworking in a short time incorporating it into my small business.. Thanks man seriously.
I'm commenting because I appreciate both the info and the Wings coozy.
Great video! I just getting past the new wood worker phase and I would love to see more tool comparison/recommendation videos like this.
Thank you... Recently I have been fortunate to find your videos to answer a few questions on my planer. As a long time machinist and wood worker from the film industry, I still find others perspectives and skills truly valuable.
You have absolutely one of the best RUclips channels. Your information in your presentation are top notch and we all really appreciate it. Keep up the good work
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Agreed, I'll also help out :-)
@Marius Hegli
What are yt-algorithms?!
@@adelkeryakos2641 RUclips algorithms. If more people like and comment a video, more people will be shown the video in their feed.
@@mariushegli exactly
Look Ma, engagement!
Great video! As others have said, this is exactly how I feel right now. Extra points for the Red Wings coozie 👍
another great video. took a class at wood craft where I had the privilege of using, jointer, planer and drum sander to process rough sawn lumber from the lumber yard . we brought it from 1" to 3/4 to make a cabinet. thanks to my instructor who introduced us to lumber yards in Houston I no longer by sanded plywood at $84 a sheet but $34 each . i also get s4s wood from them while I am there which makes the process in the garage on a weekend even easier .I can measure, cut and assemble. I agree though a planer is a good start , I am Looking in to getting one.
Hey Stumpy i just want to say thank you for all your videos you share i have learned a lot of things from watching them Thanks again
I can’t stop being amazed by the quality of your presentations. I wish presidential speeches were at this level.
I read your comment before watching the video and found the comment a bit over the top. Any crack head is more articulate than Trump. And it doesn't take all that much to beat Biden... but after watching this video, you are absolutely right! I watched the whole video. He didn't even once use a pet word (aah, mmmm, etc). He was.informative and engaging the whole time... he really is a great speaker.
Thank you for the advice. I have been contemplating purchasing these items but due to limited space I would only be able to get one. You have helped me narrow my choices down.
I have a planer and a portable table saw and my working space is 6 feet by 8 feet :) Good luck, the tool is worth it!
Chris could you not mount a planer on one side of a flip top work bench and a jointer on the other? Should be about the same amount of space required.
I have been searching for a while for a really good explanation of the difference between applications for a planer vs jointer. This was excellent
This guy is fantastic. All of his videos are so well done, and informative. How can anyone not like this guy?
Also worth mentioning that board edges can be straightened using a guide board on a table saw. We used to do this in cabinet shops with especially long boards. Run the board next to a straight board of the same length with the concave side towards the guide board and saw fence. The guide board will need a block at the back end to eliminate slippage.
That's the method I use for edges. I can't afford a jointer or a planer right now. I can both flatten and thickness-plane boards and panels or slabs with a homemade router sled.using steel guide rails, roller bearing blocks, and other parts bought online for less than $200. You just need a router of sufficient power (2.5 hp or greater), a spoiler board bit, and a flat, level, and sturdy workbench to mount the rails on. With a good sharp bit and properly flat and level workbench top, this leaves your workpiece not just flat, but so smooth it rarely needs even much finish-sanding.
I really wish I could give 13 thumbs up, weekend warriors need more videos like this!
A lot of people on here probably can't even offer two.
Thank you sir, glad I found this before I made my purchases. An unbiased and competent assessment is greatly appreciated.
This guy's videos are amazing! Simple, clear and straight to the point. No corky gibberish or confusing information. Just great content!
Your videos are so helpful, thanks very much!
I got super lucky buying my jointer. The store had it on sale 50% off and it happened to be during a week when the in store sale on all items was a % off depending on the price at checkout. So I was able to get another 10% off that price. Picked up a 6" jointer for $225.
THANK YOU!!!!! No video I’ve seen other than this one has said anything about using a table saw in conjunction with the jointer! It’s news to this struggling novice.
This is EXACTLY what I needed to hear! Straight forward answers to my questions about this! Thank you!
Yes a video on how to use the planer to flatten boards would be great! Thank you for another great video.
What I do with boards too big for my jointer: I attach them to a piece of MDF with some expanding foam (use the minimally expanding stuff for doors and windows). Now the board is supported with the bottom face dead flat. Make light cuts so you don't deform the board (the foam only offers so much support). Then you can easily remove the board from the MDF and simply plane the other side. Most of the stock I buy these days is flat enough that this isn't even remotely necessary, but I had a bunch of 2" thick air dried maple that was very badly warped, but otherwise too nice to turn into firewood.
for weekend warriors, a benchtop jointer is fairly reasonably priced. it won't handle large stock at all, but properly tuned it will handle a lot of the stock a typical hobbyist will be using. I think I got my planer and jointer (both benchtop models) for less than $300.
Thank you, I just bought a planer and a jointer together a few days before seeing this clip. I'm glad I was on the right track, thank you for your confirmation! I was just going to grab the planer but I was kicking myself the while time looking for one knowing I wouldn't have the complete setup. Love your videos, im glad you give the truth, all those videos of people rigging up operations without proper tools usually have me on edge, keep them coming.
Great video! It's helpful to us novice woodworkers and doesn't skip information like some other videos I've watched.
I've been thinking about an end grain cutting board for my first proper woodworking project and was considering a planar for it. I had no idea that they explode like that. Great video, very informative!
I have made hundreds of endgrain cutting boards using a thickness plainer. Three things that allow it to be done. 1. I round edges with a 1/4 round over bit. 2. My plainer has a helical blade. 3. Moisten the board(this step is not usually necessary). Take very very small passes.
And ... that's why I subscribe! Great info, thank you ;)
I really appreciate your honest unbiased opinion on woodworking, any time I go to buy or do something I'm not very familiar with I always check here first! Thank you for what you do, we all very much appreciate it.
Thank you for clarifying this topic. You are right. A lot of RUclipsrs glaze over the use of these machines and you have given me clear and concise input for my next tool. Just invested in the SawStop, so I am going to have fun with that for now. Love your videos!
I bought a combination planer/thicknesser machine as my first toe to dip in this water several years ago, and it has been really great but it was a big learning curve to use, and using the planer (jointer for my US friends) is a bit intimidating when you start out, particularly if the machine doesn't have an "auto-return" style blade guard.
Happy with my DeWalt planer; I made an easily adjustable sled that does a fair job at jointing. Wish I had a real jointer but I can't quite justify the expense (nor the space) for one, and the combination machines didn't seem all that good, and they are not very portable. Weirdly, the DeWalt 735 planer that everyone on YT seems to have is very hard to find in Europe. They sell the 733 model here (which I have). In the US, the situation seems to be reversed.
By the way, the Dutch word for planer is "vandiktebank", which means "thicknessing bench" and it reflects its actual purpose. (oh, the "van" part at the start of the word definitely sounds as odd to Dutch people as it may to English speakers). Often our names for tools are weird, like the word for spoke shave: "spookschaaf". Yes, we just took the English word and wrote it in a Dutch way, the word literally means "ghost shave". This makes it hard to find stuff in stores sometimes, if I only know the English word for a tool and not the Dutch one. Sorry, but I'm rambling...
Thanks for that interesting bit of linguistics :)
I like Craigslist for tools in retirement communities.
The older combo machines are solid, mine is 65 years but it's the opposite of portable, it weighs 400kg...
I took 4 years of German in high school, and went to Europe after graduating. One stop we made was in Amsterdam, and I was utterly amazed to find that I could read Dutch! We went to a bunch of museums, and because I spoke both English and German, I could read all the plaques and signs with only a little more effort than reading German. It was wild, it was like Dutch was a combination of English and German. I had a harder time understanding speech, since I wasn't familiar with the accents or pronunciation. It was awesome though! Plus I just really loved the Netherlands. A gorgeous country with incredibly friendly and welcoming people. Can't wait to go back!
@@evanbarnes9984 I second everything you say about the hospitality of the Dutch and their gorgeous country. I, too, can't wait to go back.
Regarding the similarity between the two languages, there must be some reason that what we call "German" is called "Deutsch" in Germany??
Lastly, a great read is "Maritime Supremacy" by Peter Padfield which relates how the spirit of the Dutch inculcated the British in ways that developed the American spirit of independence. I found it history that read like a novel.
Cheers!
I have been looking for patio furniture but have not found anything I like, so I decided to make my own. I just finished purchasing all the tools. You are my go-to guy for tips and advice. Thanks
Every time your videos are excellent and very real and straight to the point, and now I am in the process to see all your videos to get the whole benefit. Thanks a lot, and keep it up for your audience 👏👏👏
Add close captions if you can. That way people can watch your vids with their phone on silent, while their kids are making them watch Paw Patrol
It is possible for users to edit video CC if a channel allows it. But it does not seem that Stumpy does allow that. Also the way he talks seems to be detected as Portugese by the CC auto generate.
You just explained my whole woodwork history to a “T”.
Stumpy, I agree with what you are saying about thickness planers not getting a true flat surface, but for the majority of guys watching these videos, including myself, you can get flat enough stock flipping your stock back and forth in a thickness planer. I don't use rollers on I feed just for the fact it has openings where a cupped board can move to when exiting planer. Same with squaring a board on the table saw without jointing first. Take small passes a few times on the saw u til you get to desired width. It won't be completely true, but always closer than I expect. Keep up the great content!
I really appreciate these explanation videos. Thank you for continuing to put out such great content.
My Hammer A3 Jointer-planer combination in one machine: best purchase I've made in a long time.
Do you have the helical cutter block? If so, how do you find it in terms of finish and how loud it is? Noise can be a real problem with thicknessers. I don't have one at home for that reason, but if a helical head made noise acceptable it could swing it. Even at the Menz Shed I attend I try to use the thickensser before other people arrive because of how loud it is, but we do plan to get a spiral cutter head for it.
I have the same machine with a retrofitted helical cutter head. Hammer wouldn’t sell me their head. They assume every body is stupid and can’t retrofit it. What a difference it made. Timber comes out almost glass smooth. It is a bit quieter and it doesn’t whine like the straight blade cutter. The noise factor all relevant but overall it is quieter
@@TrevorDennis100 It does have a helical cutter but I didn't install it myself. It came pre-installed by the dealer. Unfortunately I can't compare it to the straight blades on the same machine, but it's a whole lot quieter than my previous Dewalt.
Stumpy Nubs giving it to me straight. Now, just convince my wife I need these things.
Buy them first, and your wife may suggest building a workshop for you, because she doesn't want all that stuff (and sawdust!) in the house.
3 options
1 look at all the money WE will save if I make....
2 look at how much more money WE could make...
3 change the locks and don't give her a key.
easier to ask "forgiveness" than "permission"
recently at Carbatec, my local woodworking machinery store, a guy bought a new tool and his wife who saw the amount of the purchase, phoned him up while he was still in the store telling him that he wasn't buying it or else!!
@@fparker9949 First rule of the married man. (Just celebrated 50 years....)
Great summation. I used to tell my students exactly the same thing you said here. Thanks for getting it out there.
interesting thought process. personally i would be lost without my jointer. as once, i have two reference surfaces i can use a table saw or hand plane to finish the job. but in saying that as a retired professional maker i have the full set. i would have found it very hard to make money in hand dimensioning lumber.
Ok, what would be a reasonable price for buying a thickness planer and a jointer? I'm a weekend woodworker.
Brilliant explanation AND demonstration. Thanks, great job. This video is a must see for any weekend woodworker
I appreciate your calm, easy-going speech. Some of the wood-working videos out there are hard to listen to because the guy talking is so irritating and sometimes condescending. And some either treat you like a master wood-worker or someone that doesn't know the difference between a hammer and a drill. You have the right balance, at least for my skill-level. Also appreciate that you don't interrupt the video every 5 seconds with a meme or gif for comedy relief. Keep up the good work. I can see that I'll probably be making you my go-to for video tutorials.
Very good video. Unfortunately, whenever you see someone say do I need this tool or that tool, if you are at all serious, you'll find you need both. I might add that if you are doing rough wood and making panels, you really need a bandsaw to resaw into thinner stock that can then be glued to make a wide panel (also good for thinner drawer sides).
Stumpy Nubs: "if you tried feeding an end grain board through a thickness planer and had it explode on you, you know how sketchy it can be"
me: ::laughs in Lie-Nielsen No 7::
On a more serious note - thank you for the advice and the continuous stream of knowledge - I'm learning A LOT from you
I made an endgrain walnut butchers block board and like a moron I ran it through my planer....
BANG!
Then I did it again slightly less thick just to make sure would do the same thing....
BANG!
Now I use thickness planer to mill down only and use a proper hand plane for that kind of work.
Another excellent lesson. You are a natural teacher and a Pro of the highest caliber!
I have noodled around You Tube trying to get definitive definition of your above referenced tools.
Finally, you have succeeded in giving me excellent definitions! Thank you!
A jointer, planer and a drum sander walk into a bar...
And ran into a board with a Rusty Nail
The planer looked around and said: "This joint is for squares!" and promptly walked out.
@@kaasmeester5903 LOL!!!
and the bartender says, "Is this some kind of joke?" (Very old punchline)
Awe crap! I just posted that same thing then scrolled down to see someone beat me!
Thank you for this wonderful demonstration and explanation of these tools. A lot has been cleared up for me.
This video deserve a ton more views and this channel a ton more subscribers. Thank you for the very well laid out information!!!
The person running the board through the Jointer at 4:58 needs to tuck that shirt in to take it off....
Yeah, that made me twinge
@tyvek05 So, to you, it's a lack of common sense that you shouldn't wear any loose clothing around spinning machinery....
Yes, he was reprimanded for that. And the footage was supposed to be tossed, as well. I suppose that clip sunk by.
Both un-tucked And hanging loose. 😲
@@StumpyNubs A 2x to the back of the head?
It's not so hard to get a board "flat enough" with a hand plane to have success in the planer.
Try some joinery with that and see whether you will like it. I have high respect for people who hand plane their boards flat.
@@kongengorm3360 Yes, of course, that is difficult. What I meant was that you can rough-plane a board by hand flat enough to then run it through the planer. All you're really going for is to prevent a cup from pressing flat, or the board from rocking.
May I congratulate you on an excellent delivery. It was clear, articulate and well structured, and very easy to understand.
Thank you so much. I decided to experience woodworking for the weekend DIY projects. Your info has become very valuable.