What Does a Jointer Do? - Ask Matt #13

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  • Опубликовано: 7 июн 2015
  • A jointer is a very important tool in a woodworking shop. Its job is to set the foundation for all future work you will be doing with a board. Being able to properly mill a board flat and true is a fundamental task in woodworking because flat work pieces lead to more precise and consistent joinery in your projects.
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  • @samadabdul1242
    @samadabdul1242 4 года назад +720

    I wish I had never learned this. Now I want a jointer. I don't even have a shop yet

    • @dougcarpenter4125
      @dougcarpenter4125 4 года назад +6

      @@mgandhi785 LoL

    • @psbetter5838
      @psbetter5838 4 года назад

      @@mgandhi785 I hope you're joking.

    • @Malvisk
      @Malvisk 4 года назад +3

      I don't have room for a shop, to have either a planer or a jointer. :(

    • @seanfarrell5341
      @seanfarrell5341 4 года назад

      @@mgandhi785 huh

    • @NickPixelTV
      @NickPixelTV 4 года назад +2

      Samad feeling the same right now lol

  • @richardflorence3927
    @richardflorence3927 5 лет назад +23

    This is probably the most thorough tutorial I've seen on using a jointer... not only did you discuss what it does but you also discussed the biggest question in most people's mind about the relationship of planers to jointers. And to top it all you included proper technique. A+

  • @smithmiddlega5779
    @smithmiddlega5779 2 года назад +20

    Great lesson! I'm blown away at the effort given to properly explain the purpose and use of these tools. Thank You

  • @40SnWfan
    @40SnWfan 4 года назад +201

    I'm here because 24 hours ago I had a 30 second conversation about a jointer with my phone in my shirt pocket. Surprise surprise, it appeared in my suggested videos.

    • @Jaze2022
      @Jaze2022 4 года назад +23

      I know what you mean. We're being watched by big brother "do no harm" Google

    • @ajwasp
      @ajwasp 4 года назад +2

      .40 S&W Fan a good service perhaps?

    • @philipbohi983
      @philipbohi983 4 года назад +17

      Similar situation here: I was talking about smoking a joint to relieve the pain in my joints so I could go dancing at a local juke joint.

    • @AntiNoob79
      @AntiNoob79 4 года назад +3

      @NinjaRider777R It may not have been your cable company. Most phones have been found to still be actively listening to you even when they are powered off. Have you ever noticed that if you power off your phone for a day or two that the battery's charge will appear to have been somewhat depleted despite the phone being off? Why would there be significant battery depletion if the phone is powered off and in theory not utilizing the battery's charge?

    • @SW-zu7ve
      @SW-zu7ve 4 года назад

      @@AntiNoob79 Its common knowledge that off isn't off. Its just what use to be sleep mode. If you didn't know it you do now. The only true off is unplugged and batteries out and even then you have to wait for the capacitors to drain. Nothing you have has a proper "power switch" that completely cuts the circuit from the power supply anymore.

  • @benjaminlane9228
    @benjaminlane9228 7 лет назад +21

    He was very right about the jointer being the "therapist", if you will, of the shop tools. You CAN get by without one, but the building process is much more enjoyable when you have one. For whatever reason it seems to be one of the later tools I see a lot of woodworkers purchase when in reality, it should be one of the first. Considering the vast majority of wood is in "rough" form (it's very expensive otherwise) it becomes important to "true" up one side as that becomes your reference. Any imperfections in that initial reference side will manifest as ANGER throughout the rest of the project.

    • @smashedagain420
      @smashedagain420 Год назад +1

      i belive the main reason is the price they are expensive for a good one you can find a bench top one relatively cheap but when youre buying a tool that is essentially the heart of the shop you want something good. and for that reason i believe people get it later on myself included. theres a lot of things you can do on a table saw with the right sled

  • @Shotter
    @Shotter 4 года назад +12

    Thank you for this great explanation. Jointer always seemed pointless to me if planers exist. You really set me straight!

  • @davidm7434
    @davidm7434 5 лет назад

    Thank you very much. I have often seen people used joiners, but never understood their purpose. I love that you compared it to a planer, both explaining and showing the difference and how to use them in conjunction with each other.

  • @rklee65
    @rklee65 8 лет назад +48

    Thank you! I've often seen people use both tools and I wondered why. Your video makes it as clear as can be. Well done!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад +1

      Awesome! thanks!

  • @adrianm421
    @adrianm421 7 лет назад +9

    Great video. I recently bought a jointer and had a hard time getting the boards flat. But now I know it's because I was applying too much pressure. Thank you!

  • @GuysShop
    @GuysShop 9 лет назад +64

    Nice demo with a great explanation Matt!

  • @jasonweiss2773
    @jasonweiss2773 7 лет назад +2

    I have a Rockwell Delta from the late 40's that I just repaired. Proud day in my life. Most important machine in my shop. Nice vid.

  • @kiplindsay8576
    @kiplindsay8576 7 лет назад +13

    Of the hundreds of videos I have watched on woodworking, this has been the most helpful. Thank you!!! :)

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  7 лет назад +1

      awesome to hear! Thanks!

  • @TWade2494
    @TWade2494 6 лет назад +27

    Hey Matt, this is a wonderful video. You took the time for each "what happens when" scenario to explain each instance of what is going on. I really appreciate the effort and patience it took in order to put this video together and has helped me understand a fundamental of craftsmanship that has escaped me for some time.

  • @colinpeddle
    @colinpeddle 3 года назад +3

    Love your candidness and to the point style. Quite refreshing in a RUclips world filled with polish and fluff.

  • @soundboy89
    @soundboy89 6 лет назад

    Awesome, I've been watching woodworking videos for months and this is the first time that I fully understand the workings and purpose of a jointer, thank you!

  • @uncut_cowboy
    @uncut_cowboy 3 года назад

    I can't properly express how helpful it is that you really really go into detail about the mechanics of the process. It's really helpful for demonstrations over the internet where I cant see and feel the stock like you can in person.

  • @user-hm5zb1qn6g
    @user-hm5zb1qn6g 4 года назад +15

    Before today, and getting here from the Jamie Perkins accident, I didn't even know a jointer existed. But I enjoyed this video so much I subscribed. This guy is so natural I just gotta see what else he's got.

    • @robtdougherty
      @robtdougherty 4 года назад +3

      Same, googled "wood Jointer" after watching Jaime's video today and it brought me here.

    • @sallen284
      @sallen284 4 года назад +1

      Same. Small world

  • @johndrennanjr594
    @johndrennanjr594 3 года назад +4

    Simple explanations, very informative ...Great job Matt .

  • @tacojesus
    @tacojesus 3 года назад +1

    This is the absolute best video I have found explaining this stuff. I am new to woodworking but not using tools in general, but the jointer/planer thing confused me and this video went above and beyond breaking everything down. I appreciate it.

  • @tommydesmarais697
    @tommydesmarais697 8 лет назад +1

    Hey Matthew. I'm really happy to see your video and wanted to say thank you. I've been taking woodwork courses for the past 4 months. Lately I've been surfing video to see if I could spot mistakes in their woodworking video and yours is (IMO) perfect. I really appreciate that you take time to explain everything and the why of it. My teacher did the same and now I'm starting to build furniture with high quality build. Jointer is the key to all this.
    Thx again for your, in detail, explanation.

  • @edhorsegolfer4784
    @edhorsegolfer4784 7 лет назад +7

    Thank you, I have asked this very question and you have answered it perfectly

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  7 лет назад +1

      Awesome to hear! Thanks!

  • @mauricepettiford6923
    @mauricepettiford6923 8 лет назад +83

    Matt.
    I really enjoyed your video on the Jointer. It was very well presented and easy to follow. Your explanations were well thought out, and very informative. I am in the process of building my dream shop on paper and a Jointer will most certainly be on my list of wood working machines to have in my shop. Looking forward to watching more of your videos and increasing my knowledge about wood working. Respectfully Maurice Pettiford Budapest Hungary.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад +11

      Thank you so much, Maurice! Have fun putting together your shop :)

    • @bobbg9041
      @bobbg9041 4 года назад

      I was looking at the Hammer by Felder and if I had it to start all over I'd consider a machine like that the only think it wont do is butter my toast. But you get a Jointer, planer, table saw Router, sliding table saw, Shaper all kinds of stuff
      in one machine. Buy each one of them tools separate its going to cost a lot this thing was 12k
      and takes up a lot less room. you can automatically eliminate 6 or 7 tools in your shop , that's a lot of floor space.
      You can use for other stuff.

    • @ianorford3320
      @ianorford3320 3 года назад +1

      @@bobbg9041 which of the Hammer machines were you looking at?

  • @ffuukkyootoobffuukkyootoob1411
    @ffuukkyootoobffuukkyootoob1411 5 лет назад +4

    Hey. Great vid. I was trying to find out what a jointer is FOR, and you did an excellent job of explaining it.
    Thanks.

  • @AnthonyPaulO
    @AnthonyPaulO 7 лет назад +2

    This is an excellent video! I had the exact question that you answered which is : "what is it about the mechanics of a planer that prevents it from creating a flat surface" and you were able to answer it by describing the mechanics behind both the jointer and planer as well as demonstrating it by running warped wood through both the planer and jointer. Thank you very much!

  • @vtrmcs
    @vtrmcs 7 лет назад +101

    There is something I'd like to add to Matthews excellent video.
    One of the key things when learning to use a jointer is understanding the sounds of the process. It's very difficult to explain in words, but sound tells you a heck of a lot. For example, if you're getting tear out as a result of reversing grain in a board, or because you're taking too much material in one pass, you can hear it. That also tells you if you're planing with the grain (correct) or against (almost always incorrect).
    When dealing with a board which is bowed, curved lengthways, as Matthew is in the video, the sound the planer makes will tell you if you're removing the bow or not. With a bowed board, you'll hear the planer knives engaging as the front portion of the board crosses the cutter block, it will then disengage for a time and the sound will change, before re-engaging the tail end, where the sound changes back again. If you had been applying too much pressure, then the sound would have remained consistent throughout.
    With practice, you can learn to match the sound with what the knives are actually cutting and where. If you really want to see the results and practice, you can spread chalk on the face of the timber being planed, then it's easy to see what material is being removed each pass. It's really quite cool to see.
    A little tip: Never apply pressure to the board directly above the cutter block. There is no situation where this is correct technique. Take light passes of less than 1mm a time, rarely is it a good idea to go above this if you want a decent finish.
    A jointer is a tool like any other and takes a lot of practice to use well. It's quite a dangerous tool so do triple check your setup and keep the blade guard in the right location. You really dont want a planer knife flying at you at 300 mph as you'll end up with no head, which isn't ideal.

    • @paulreader1777
      @paulreader1777 7 лет назад +6

      Good additional comment. I actually noticed and noted the difference in the sound during Matt's demo.
      I'm learning heaps today.

    • @l.clevelandmajor9931
      @l.clevelandmajor9931 5 лет назад +4

      Excellent advice, my friend. What we woodworkers use to practice our trade is a large amount of very dangerous power tools. Jointer Planers, Table saws, Band Saws, Radial Arm Saws, Chop Saws, Router Tables, Sanders of various types, Wood Lathes, etc. are all very dangerous tools. Number one rule about learning to use any of them is learn all the safety rules first. Then learn how to operate it. Safety rules for each tool should include what each one is not to be used to do,the proper amount of clearance from the blades or abrasives of all your body parts, the purpose and proper use of all safety equipment that is needed for a particular tool, The proper conduct of other people that are in the work environment (like never do or say anything that can distract the tool operator from what he or she is doing).
      I've been in the woodworking business for 45 years, and I still have all of my fingers. This is because I always make safety the most important part of any job I do. I've seen first hand what not practicing safety can do.

    • @ryszardjacekrusniak7993
      @ryszardjacekrusniak7993 4 года назад

      @@l.clevelandmajor9931 Right... AND the proper clothing when working with this machinery, rather tide than loose, no long hairs hanging down.

    • @l.clevelandmajor9931
      @l.clevelandmajor9931 4 года назад +1

      @@ryszardjacekrusniak7993 Indeed, you are quite correct. Loose clothing and long hair not properly restrained can lead to serious injury or even death; not just in woodworking, but also in many other trades in which heavy power equipment is used. As the supervisor of a cabinet shop I once worked in, if any of my team were not adhering to even the tiniest safety rule, I'd reprimand them, on their first offense, on their second offense they were suspended without pay, and on their third offense I would terminate their employment with the company we worked for. No exceptions would be tolerated. As a result, my shop got the highest safety ratings in the company on a consistent basis.

  • @scottanderson391
    @scottanderson391 5 лет назад +4

    Exactly what I needed to know. Thank you

  • @scottzoll7321
    @scottzoll7321 4 года назад +2

    Really great explanation and demo. You would make an amazing teacher, you seem so calm, your words are well thought out, and you obviously have great knowledge on the subject!

  • @thomascryer2380
    @thomascryer2380 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you for the video!! Wish I would have found this sooner, I've been debating for a few months now on what to get first, planer or joiner! Just starting my woodworking career off, but on a limited budget so this helps not only to explain things but to give me direction. Thank you!!!

  • @spekenbonen72
    @spekenbonen72 4 года назад +3

    Sweet!. Watching this made me feel like being in school again.
    About the 2 planes of the jointer. They are parrallel.
    Few important notes: You only flaten and square 1 angle/corner on the jointer. (jointer -> planer -> table saw)
    You always check the grain of the wood. Just like a handplaner, you don't go across or against the grain. (Sometimes you have no choice though...)
    And you want the hollow side of the board (when cupped) on the jointer surface. Otherwise it won't get flat (and square).
    Subbed!

  • @MichaelScottPerkins
    @MichaelScottPerkins 9 лет назад +8

    Fantastic explanation! Been interested in wood working since I was watching New Yankee Workshop with my dad as a child, and I never could understand why one would need a jointer if they had a thickness planer. People would always say... one makes things flat, while the other just makes it thinner. I always thought... "Well, okay. But... how?" Now I understand perfectly! Of course! A planner just pinches the board in one narrow area as it pulls it through. A jointer lets the board ride more softly over spinning knives. So the jointer shaves off wood where the board is higher or lower. The thickness planner just shaves off X amount of wood, all along the board, maintaining the same warped profile... warped or flat.
    Thanks Matt! You really have no idea how awesome your explanation was.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад +1

      Michael Perkins Thank you so much for the topic suggestion. This was much easier than trying to explain it by email too:)

    • @MichaelScottPerkins
      @MichaelScottPerkins 9 лет назад

      Matthew Cremona Definitely! Keep it up man!

  • @shaynesabala
    @shaynesabala 6 лет назад

    WOW! I am rebuilding a house and learning as I go. I watch a lot of wood working videos to learn all I can. I have even decided to build a wood shop in my backyard after my house is done. I have to say that this was the best video I have seen. Super informative, thank you.

  • @OgnianBorisov
    @OgnianBorisov 8 лет назад

    Matthew, thank you! Many helping to me with your lessons!
    I watch them thousands of times, over and over again!
    Greetings from Bulgaria

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад

      :D Thank you so much!!

  • @patelkrunal311
    @patelkrunal311 6 лет назад +8

    II'm new to wood working, and I ran bowed wood through the planer and to my surprise, it didn't come out flat. I'm getting a jointer now.

  • @RC-bl2pm
    @RC-bl2pm 7 лет назад +6

    This isn't news for me but i wish i had this to watch when it was! You did an excellent job, the two glue ups especially tells the tale! I actually ran that experiment many times when i was starting out!!!! lol

  • @Create2make
    @Create2make 9 лет назад

    Great Video Matt, loads of great info. I have a small jointer/planner combo, and it really does make a big difference and with the jointer it makes the join in 2 boards so smooth the end result is worth it.

  • @slickfu
    @slickfu 8 лет назад +2

    Thank you! As personality profiles go I'm a "thinker" it helps me so much to understand the "why" and the "how."

  • @Mekratrig
    @Mekratrig 6 лет назад +9

    Very good, clear explanation. The micro camera placed inside the machines was a great idea. Despite seeing several other vids that attempted to explain jointers, now for the first time, I understand how they work.

  • @MakerNoKY
    @MakerNoKY 9 лет назад +6

    The Ask Matt videos are turning into a good "woodworking 101" series. Great work.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      Kelly Burns Thanks Kelly!!

  • @fayzalmahamed3874
    @fayzalmahamed3874 Год назад +1

    Excellent video - concise, precise and very easy to understand plus your hapiness and enthuism comes out. Great presentation

  • @thomascostello5780
    @thomascostello5780 4 года назад +1

    thx Matt, best explanation I've heard and seen on this topic everyone seems to have questions about, including me. Great video!!

  • @joeemenaker
    @joeemenaker 5 лет назад +91

    FYI: On any jointer larger than 6", I think you're required to write "U.S.S. " on the side.

    • @WeedMIC
      @WeedMIC 4 года назад +1

      Kitty hawk

    • @thomasbarlow4223
      @thomasbarlow4223 4 года назад

      I dont get it? I must be missing something

    • @WeedMIC
      @WeedMIC 4 года назад +9

      @@thomasbarlow4223 if it weighs as much as an aircraft carrier - might as well label it like one

    • @sergecouture6721
      @sergecouture6721 4 года назад +10

      WeedMIC I believe it is because the surface of the jointer somewhat reassembles the deck of an aircraft carrier

    • @itsjustmark
      @itsjustmark 4 года назад +3

      Theodore Roosevelt #BringBackCAPTCrozier

  • @PatrickPoet
    @PatrickPoet 5 лет назад +16

    Did you know that in the UK a jointer is called a planer and a planer is called a thicknesser?
    The infeed and outfeed table of a jointer aren't coplanar, or in the _same plane,_ they form _parallel planes._ To be the same plane they'd have to be the same height.
    A jillion years ago we couldn't use any of the power tools in junior high (middle school), until we were able to make a board square on all sides and flat with hand tools. I think it might help people understand the power tools. We were kids and everybody got it pretty quickly, so it isn't that hard. The people that got it quicker helped the ones that struggled more. Sometimes another student might have a different way of explaining from the teacher that another kid might click with.

  • @duncan4735
    @duncan4735 5 месяцев назад

    after watching numerous videos on the topic, yours was the only one that made any sense to me!
    great job with all the do's and don'ts and the footage inside the planer!

  • @andrewchristian1910
    @andrewchristian1910 4 года назад

    Matthew, thank you for an easy to follow explanation of differences between a planer and a jointer. Much appreciated!

  • @ckkelby
    @ckkelby 8 лет назад +4

    Thanks Matt, very helpful to me!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад

      Awesome! Thanks Chris!

  • @AdventuresInDIY
    @AdventuresInDIY 9 лет назад +7

    A lot of great information on joiners Matt!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      AdventuresInDIY Thanks Chris!

  • @nathanmorton9656
    @nathanmorton9656 3 года назад

    Great educational video. I too was confused on the difference between the jointer and planer. This is an awesome example of how and why they both work. Thank you.

  • @jcarey65
    @jcarey65 6 лет назад +1

    This was the best explanation I have seen! Thank you so much!!

  • @maxwolthuis
    @maxwolthuis 5 лет назад +5

    As I’m working on my table I’m swearing and wishing I had one of these! The jointer would make everything go so smoothly.

  • @asabot4you683
    @asabot4you683 7 лет назад +4

    Matt...As a newbie to woodworking I want to thank you for clarifying the difference between a jointer and a planer! I really liked how you explained everything.

  • @ega0117
    @ega0117 7 лет назад

    Wow!!! Thank you for sharing years of experience in your RUclips. Your video taught me so much that I need to know about making wood boards perfectly plane.

  • @devogle7905
    @devogle7905 9 лет назад

    Thanks Matt, best video I have ever seen on Jointer and Plainer. I have been woodworking for 20 plus years, learning through trial and error. Probably the first few years I made lots of mistakes trying to figure out my problems with Plainer. Then I bought myself a Jointer and you are absolutely right, what a joy to work with flat and square lumber. I have referenced your video to many of my fellow woodworker who are just beginning. Thanks again.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      Dev Ogle Thank you Dev!! I'm so glad this was helpful!

  • @jonybgoode1
    @jonybgoode1 7 лет назад +9

    this was a super informative video,on why to use a jointer,and planer..in the proper sequance,etc..very easy to understand in his explanation,and it made every aspect easy to understand..excellent video; wish i would of watched this video before..makes all the other videos,a waste of time..this guy is a great teacher of basic wood working skills

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  7 лет назад

      +jon b. Thank you Jon!

    • @jonybgoode1
      @jonybgoode1 7 лет назад

      your welcome matt..after watching your video,i took a piece of claro walnut,to my friend,who has a jointer,and i asked him to run it over his machine,to take out the slight bow,in my wood.the first thing i noticed,was how hard he was pressing on the wood,as it went over the cutters..i mentioned that in your video,how you explained the correct way to do it,so when i asked him,to not put so much pressure downward,he said he has to do that because the wood was bouncing on the cutter as it went across..he said the wood is very hard,so that is why he does it that way...i asked him if maybe the cutter was sticking up too high,and if he could lower it,maybe it would not bounce so much,,he just kinda looked at me,and said,that he has been doing it the same way for years..anyway,i finally left,with the wood still not correct. i make small walnut ammo boxes,and if the box sides,and ends and corners are not parallel,square,and 90 degree's ,in other words,a perfect dimensionally correct box,it is a waste of time,to start drilling the holes,for the shells,in a box,that is out of wack...it was frustrating watch,to say the least..do you think it would of helped the wood to stop bouncing across the cutters,if they were lowered? it seemed like he was just taking off too much,with each pass..i think if he would of just done it,like you described,as far as just enough downward pressure to keep the wood on the table,and use more pushing motion to move the wood across the cutters...please let me know what you think,would of helped ...,,by the way,the piece of walnut is apprx 8-9 inches long,and apprx 2.5 inches thick...thanks again, i appreciate your videos..jb

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  7 лет назад +1

      It's possible that the cut depth was too great but what initially came to mind is the knives could have been dull. The work pieces really shouldn't be jumping around.

    • @jonybgoode1
      @jonybgoode1 7 лет назад +1

      thanks matt...you seem to have the right answer,and good suggestions...i appreciate your help....thanks, jb

  • @longshot789
    @longshot789 8 лет назад +3

    "They're in in the same plane. That's what that means."
    Awesome videos!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад

      +longshot789 Thank you!

    • @markevans5026
      @markevans5026 3 года назад

      Coplaner means they're in the same plane but joyner table beds are not coplanar unless you adjust them to be so otherwise when you're making a cut they will be parallel not coplanar.

  • @evelyn_r
    @evelyn_r 4 года назад

    I had an idea what a planer did but thank you for taking the time to explain it, as a lot of people skip it as they assume we newbies automatically know.
    Great vid 👍

  • @carmonacrafts1972
    @carmonacrafts1972 6 лет назад

    Awesome video man I always wondered what a jointer purpose was really for but you definitely helped shine some light on that subject and brought to light some things about the planer that I didn't know

  • @thecrazybushman
    @thecrazybushman 5 лет назад +12

    Great as always!

  • @MajidAlQassimi
    @MajidAlQassimi 9 лет назад +7

    Hey Matthew Cremona Love the vids and your work, dont have a jointer myself but looking into handtools. Just wanted to help out your definition at 4:00 about "Coplanar" (meaning in the exact same plane). I believe the 2 tables of a jointer are parallel but not coplanar. the difference is the few mm for blade (cutting) depth.
    Does that make sense? or am i off on how jointers work? Thanks for sharing so generously and love how you generous and humble you are. Thanks again!

    • @lwfeagan
      @lwfeagan 9 лет назад +1

      +Majid Al Qassimi is correct. Further, many jointers use a parallelogram design to ensure the surface(s) remain parallel, but they are most definitely not co-planar.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад +1

      Majid Al Qassimi You're absolutely right. I misspoke. They are parallel planes. They'd be coplanar if the cut depth was 0 :) Thank you!

    • @MajidAlQassimi
      @MajidAlQassimi 9 лет назад

      No Matthew Cremona Thank you! You are one of the most down to earth guys on youtube and watching your vids and laughs, im just glad you are sharing so much!
      cheers and keep it up!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      Majid Al Qassimi Thank you!!!!

  • @l.clevelandmajor9931
    @l.clevelandmajor9931 5 лет назад

    Matt, it is good to see people your age who know how to work wood. I am third generation on my Pop's side of the family, and at least 5th generation on my Mom's side in woodworking. I have a nephew who is getting into the business now because of me. I'm pushing 62, and I don't ever want to stop doing this type of work! It is so satisfying to see pieces I turn out in my shop getting great compliments on the workmanship. But the real reason I do this work is because I love it. I can see that you do too, just from the way you talk about it!

  • @ryszardjacekrusniak7993
    @ryszardjacekrusniak7993 4 года назад

    Thank very much for this video, own 6" jointer for 20 years and just now learned its purpose... oh well, all my board were flat and square just rough. All the best.

  • @cormackeenan8175
    @cormackeenan8175 5 лет назад +28

    The same “level” perhaps?
    Because you’re a craftsman you like precision

    • @kraven4444
      @kraven4444 4 года назад +6

      nope, just Parallel Planes.

    • @link_7164
      @link_7164 4 года назад +3

      Yeah I’d say parallel planes too. Two planes that are parallel but offset from one another.
      Same level would be the same plane and that’s not what he means here. To be fair, he did say co-planar which I would interpret as being on the same level but I think he used that incorrectly.

    • @gerardvila4685
      @gerardvila4685 4 года назад +1

      @@link_7164 You're right. Parallel planes, not the same plane. Co-planar means "in the same plane" - it's most often used for a set of points, with more than 3 points - so the two tables of this thing are not co-planar (unless you adjust them to zero offset).

  • @piotrr5439
    @piotrr5439 8 лет назад +116

    the surfaces on jointer are not actually coplanar, they're simply parallel.

    • @karlackdamack4238
      @karlackdamack4238 8 лет назад +8

      +Piotr R ...jointer

    • @piotrr5439
      @piotrr5439 8 лет назад +1

      ur rite!!

    • @browntrout3994
      @browntrout3994 5 лет назад

      I think he was trying to use "trivially collinear" since two points determine a line.

    • @AnonYmous-qg4ph
      @AnonYmous-qg4ph 5 лет назад +2

      @@browntrout3994 they aren't 2 points in a line. They are parallel to each other, but not in line. 1 is offset to account for the cut.

    • @armaanbhojwani2677
      @armaanbhojwani2677 5 лет назад

      To be parallel you must be coplanar

  • @matthewrhoades5156
    @matthewrhoades5156 7 лет назад

    This is a really excellent tutorial video. After many years of woodworking, a whole bunch of my lingering questions have been answered. Matt really knows his stuff and presents the information in a really direct, informal manner. Excellent, excellent!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  7 лет назад

      Thank you so much!

  • @denniswhite166
    @denniswhite166 4 года назад +4

    Thanks for explaining this so a newbie like me can understand it.

  • @chrisdaly7385
    @chrisdaly7385 7 лет назад +13

    The infeed and outfeed tables are only considered parallel. Two parallel surfaces are not coplanar (do not share the same plane) when they are offset in height, they only share an angular orientation.

  • @DanGolik
    @DanGolik 4 года назад +8

    Thank you Dmitri Martin!

  • @briangarethholden
    @briangarethholden 3 года назад

    Hey Matt, I haven't watched your stuff for a little while, not for any reason, just been busy. It was really awesome to watch this. Thanks for the great advice

  • @cheekychapman1
    @cheekychapman1 4 года назад

    Such a helpful overview of these two items - thank you

  • @mcremona
    @mcremona  8 лет назад +12

    +BAdBrAd I bought it new from Grizzly

    • @you5711
      @you5711 6 лет назад +1

      Hi, Matthew. Thanks for giving us this great explanation. Is your Grizzly jointer model G0609X:
      www.grizzly.com/products/12-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0609X

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  6 лет назад +1

      Yes

    • @bobbg9041
      @bobbg9041 4 года назад

      @@mcremona Nice Machine.

  • @jbrisby
    @jbrisby 4 года назад +3

    You'd think it would be the other way around. That a planer would make a perfectly flat plane, and a jointer would make a parallel surface that could be easily joined.

    • @ajaymanoharan5496
      @ajaymanoharan5496 4 года назад

      well... the planer is also called a "thicknesser" or "thickness planer" in some countries. That makes sense

  • @MTNurse
    @MTNurse 5 лет назад

    I want to THANK YOU for this explanation! As a beginner woodworker, I have watched endless videos about woodworking and NOBODY has pointed this out so far. This has helped me immensely!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  5 лет назад

      awesome to hear!! Thanks!

  • @Einungbrekke
    @Einungbrekke 5 лет назад

    Thank you for teaching me the difference. I'm a mechanic, wondering to start with carpentry as a hobby and have wondered what the real difference is on the two tools.

  • @echarters
    @echarters 9 лет назад +3

    The jointer's outfeed and infeed beds are in parallel planes. This is true geometrically because planes have infinite extents. They are not the same plane. Minor grammatical quibble. Adjusting these beds to being "co planar" so to speak, or the two planes to be parallel is a nightmare as we know. It should be made easier.
    Good explanation of the difference between the two machines and developing the inferences we need in order to understand how to use the two machines.
    In fact the two planes of a jointer are NOT coplanar mathematically. I don't care if the company making them says so. I don't care if 10,000 expert woodworkers say they are. They are not mathematicians. The infeed and outfeed are (normally) in two distinct non intersecting planes.
    Coplanarity is a word. It just does not apply to jointers.

  • @DemasShopforEverything
    @DemasShopforEverything 9 лет назад +39

    The guy who gave you the thumbs down thinks you jointer is too small. Lol great vid

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад +4

      ***** The only logical explanation! Thanks Dema!

    • @KSFWG
      @KSFWG 9 лет назад

      Matthew Cremona What I want to know is why you used the small jointer and not the big 48" wide jointer you have. ;) lol just kidding...

    • @Mike-uj1wr
      @Mike-uj1wr 9 лет назад

      Matthew Cremona Hi Matt, very good video! I have a solution to Dema's comment. You send me the jointer you showed in the video and that will free up space in your shop for a much bigger one. :) lol

    • @DemasShopforEverything
      @DemasShopforEverything 9 лет назад

      Mike 61 your probably gonna get the same response as i do every time i stop by lol

    • @Mike-uj1wr
      @Mike-uj1wr 9 лет назад

      ***** Haha :)

  • @daveh777
    @daveh777 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for this!!!
    So perfectly explained, and for a newb to woodworking machines like myself, very helpful.
    I'm into older machines, and see the jointers frequently available on Craigslist, but have had a need to justify getting one.
    Knowing what it can do makes me need one!

    • @martylts
      @martylts 7 лет назад

      You can buy boards that are squared and flattened, but they will cost more than rough lumber.

  • @moyperezwoodshop1722
    @moyperezwoodshop1722 9 лет назад +1

    Very good info Matt. Thank you for sharing

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      Moy perez woodshop Thanks Moy!

  • @kevinitwaru5919
    @kevinitwaru5919 7 лет назад +7

    I don't think they're the same plane, just on parallel planes, right?

  • @rmcdaniel423
    @rmcdaniel423 8 лет назад +333

    "Hey wife . . . I was just watching this youtube video and it looks like I'm gonna need to buy another tool. It'll probably cost about a month's worth of income, but it will make nice smooth boards. Just saying."
    "Hey hubbie . . . yer gonna have to deal with crooked projects. Just saying."

    • @bryanking3760
      @bryanking3760 7 лет назад +3

      exactly what i'm dealing with.

    • @nichowolf
      @nichowolf 7 лет назад +44

      Nah find a used one on craigslist. Jointers are the treadmill of tools. People buy them, and then the wife says she wants to [gasp] "park a car in the garage".

    • @toddnaplestileguy
      @toddnaplestileguy 7 лет назад +3

      nicholas wolford that's a great description, perfect

    • @thompsonjacob8713
      @thompsonjacob8713 7 лет назад +1

      This is very true. I see 800 dollar machines on there all the time less than 100 dollars.

    • @KastaRules
      @KastaRules 7 лет назад +46

      Just don't tell her. She won't even notice there is a new huge machine in the shop cause *they all look alike* to them anyway.

  • @tedhaubrich
    @tedhaubrich 5 лет назад

    Excellent video. I learned this in Jr. High shop class, but fewer and fewer woodworkers have had that luxury now. What I did learn is three different techniques to get by without one.

  • @erniesouza6263
    @erniesouza6263 9 лет назад

    Thanks Matt for clearing up the questions I had on this issue, planner vs jointer. Well done!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      Ernie Souza Thank you Ernie! Glad it was useful :)

  • @AI-Consultant
    @AI-Consultant 4 года назад +4

    these videos get millions of views, because people have an internal need to make and build stuff, instead of screwing off all day on facebook

  • @Jaze2022
    @Jaze2022 4 года назад +20

    Co planarity... Lol. Parallel my friend. Parallel

    • @JamesBonedOO7
      @JamesBonedOO7 4 года назад +2

      Jaze the tables are parallel and separated by the cut depth

    • @crustyoldfart
      @crustyoldfart 4 года назад +4

      No - parallel refers to 2D space, coplanar refers to 3D. A line is defined by 2 points, and 3 non colinear points defines a plane.

    • @JeffreyWigington
      @JeffreyWigington 4 года назад +1

      @@crustyoldfart Planes can be referred to as parallel in 3D space as well. Co-linear means on the same line, just as co-planar means on the same plane. The "in-feed" and "out-feed" should not be co-planar or the jointer would not be effective. However it is critical that the in-feed and out-feed tables be absolutely parallel planes.

    • @crustyoldfart
      @crustyoldfart 4 года назад

      @@JeffreyWigington You are of course absolutely correct to point this out. My comment came out not quite as originally intended. I was actually intending to amplify the comment by Jaze who in his turn was making a distinction between parallelism and coplanarity.
      My first point about a plane is that it is sufficiently defined by three non-colinear points. By extension two parallel planes require six points arranged in two sets. The six points can be determined by first choosing three points randomly, a fourth point is constrained to be not coplanar with the first three ; the fifth and sixth points points must be such that for each its perpendicular distance from the first plane is the same as that of the fourth point.
      While on the subject of planers we can further assert that the cutting head must revolve about an axis which lies in a third plane which is coplanar with the first two parallel planes.
      I'm sure that it would also be possible to extend the discussion beyond the axioms of Euclidean geometry by drawing attention to his parallel postulate, but I think that here would be a good place to stop ! ?

  • @seansysig
    @seansysig 7 лет назад

    Good clarity on what a Jointer & Planer were designed to perform on the board.Thank You!

  • @Fthrof7
    @Fthrof7 4 года назад

    Wow man; thanks so much for posting this - you obviously know your stuff and this is so helpful!

  • @vashon100
    @vashon100 4 года назад +3

    4:12 planes are parallel, but not coplanar. There are not two planes, if they are coplanar.

  • @MRrwmac
    @MRrwmac 9 лет назад +8

    Coplanarity coercion of compatible woods for cohesive copulation to a single board.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад

      MRrwmac oh wow. Nice one Mac!

  • @MrPrecisionShot
    @MrPrecisionShot 8 лет назад

    Matt,
    Thank you so much for this. The light went on and now I know why I was having so much trouble flattening my stock. My technique was horrible. your explination was great.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад

      That's awesome, William! I'm so happy the video was helpful! Thanks!

  • @papitas2843
    @papitas2843 6 лет назад

    Great video! Thank you for your in-depth explanation and demonstration!

  • @Visigoth_
    @Visigoth_ 9 лет назад +3

    I Care!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  9 лет назад +1

      Nathan Stoddard hahaha!! Thanks Nathan!

  • @ericmatthews3307
    @ericmatthews3307 5 лет назад +3

    When did Demetri Martin get his own woodworking show?

  • @MediaAndTheHair
    @MediaAndTheHair 3 месяца назад

    I just scored a vintage jointer on OfferUp! This was extremely helpful. After watching some restoration videos, this was helpful to see what is the most important aspects to focus on.

  • @RobtheadmiralDeMar
    @RobtheadmiralDeMar 5 лет назад

    Makes sense! I think you did a nice job explaining everything, coplanarly.

  • @ophello
    @ophello 8 лет назад +141

    They're not in the same plane. They're parallel.

    • @deeeeeeps
      @deeeeeeps 8 лет назад +17

      +ophello Yes, one table is lower than the other to remove material. The top of the blade is in Coplane with the outfeed table.

    • @thenewfiejesus5530
      @thenewfiejesus5530 7 лет назад +3

      ophello who cares bruh

    • @kobayashimaru8114
      @kobayashimaru8114 7 лет назад +12

      Yea. He was struggling to find the words but he still explained what was happening correctly.

    • @Zanmiester
      @Zanmiester 7 лет назад

      correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the one just lower on the same plane? they're are both on X plane, for example, just because the one is lower, doesn't mean its on XY plane.

    • @gnawlej9163
      @gnawlej9163 7 лет назад +12

      Alexander B. If it's lower, then by definition it is a different plane. The tables of a jointer, unless they are set at the exact same height (which would be pointless), are on two separate but parallel planes.

  • @chester82gtstang
    @chester82gtstang 4 года назад +3

    Just bought a table saw and realized the wood wasn't perfectly straight after cutting. The wife is not going to go for a jointer and planar. sigh...

  • @netomusic_br
    @netomusic_br 5 лет назад

    Amazing, man. Great explained. Thanks!

  • @tedtolentino4955
    @tedtolentino4955 3 года назад

    Thank for this video. You answered my question about the differences and uses of these wood working tools that I never really understood. I'm just getting into woodworking as a hobby.

  • @justinlynch6691
    @justinlynch6691 7 лет назад +37

    Why demonstrate when ten thousand words will do.

    • @MAGAMAN
      @MAGAMAN 6 лет назад +10

      He did demonstrate. The ten thousand words were so that people understand exactly how and why it works the way it does. I've seen a lot of people pushing down very hard on Jointers in youtube videos. Just watching him do it, most people would not know that he was not pushing down hard on the board.

    • @grandpasgaming5232
      @grandpasgaming5232 6 лет назад +4

      MAGA MAN I am very happy he explained it the way he did!!

    • @oceano_drive241
      @oceano_drive241 5 лет назад

      LMAO 😂😂😂

  • @abelroes
    @abelroes 8 лет назад

    It was the most clarifying video I've ever seen about this subject.
    I was with a lot of questions concearning this matter and now I get it! :D
    Thank you!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  8 лет назад

      Awesome to hear! Thanks!

  • @opietaylor4922
    @opietaylor4922 5 лет назад

    Super nice shop and the tools are outrageous. Good video and your explanations. I agree with your assessments and championing the wood working principles. Great woody one.

  • @buildingsailboats4549
    @buildingsailboats4549 6 лет назад

    This video was helpful and answered several of my questions. Thank you very much.