Thanks man, it is crazy how these influencers/photographers/videographers on social media influence people with their dumb tests and claims... almost nobody is going to shoot at pitch dark... As someone out there on RUclips said: "Ultimately if DR matters more than readout speed, then buy the Z7ii. If readout speed matters more than DR, buy the Z6iii. And if they both matter, buy the Z8." Boom! lol
Agreed! Tests definitely have their place, but if I went solely off tests, charts, and graphs, I don't think I would've bought this camera, but I'm glad I did. This thing is awesome, and I've loved it so much! Also...I definitely want to buy a Z8 after using this Z6iii so much XD
I would like a z8 with 24mp sensor. Or a z6 with a 24mp “full stacked” sensor (like z8). The z6iii autofocus is not so good, so is not an option worth considering. My bad.
Pretty good real world test case. Photography/Videography is really niche in this day and age, and even experts are mere users of tools rather than their designers. So the understanding of how things work are really just a matter of these tests. So the more merrier! I've gathered that the flickering seems to occur in select cases, though, in most real world uses cases the issue is either minimized or outright not present. But I suppose time will tell. and we'll see how Nikon responds in the next month or so.
Yeah, I was just watching PetaPixel's podcast on it. Might test it myself just to see, but while using the camera with correct exposure I haven't noticed the flicker.
Same, I'm a concert photographer and I would like to find a test concerning this machine in real conditions. Talking to me about the dynamic range etc, for me it's abstract. I need to see to understand, but most influencers hardly test it, they take 3 photos in the studio, 1 photo outdoors and they throw out the technical specs without correlating it with reality. That's why I'm stopping listening to them now. I ordered it, I'll see when I receive it! But I'm afraid of being disappointed, I wanted the Z8 and I still don't know which one is better in concerts.
Great video! The colors and image smoothness is so delicious on the Z6III. It is the poor man’s Arri Alexa LF. People out there criticizing the camera are pixel peeping and looking at charts. But in real world filiming, the camera’s image is gorgeous. I own the Z8 and love it, but I always felt the image was too sharp on video. It’s still great, but I’m looking for a high end cinema look, and the Z6III delivers with a nice rich creamy image. Can’t wait to get mine.
Hey man just stumbled across this.. great stuff. Happy to see it works for your in real world. I've been a little bummed watching the reviews after picking up the "zed 3" - love it so far, but haven't pushed it so much. Interesting that you push exposure vs. slightly underexposed. Also cool intel on the Viltrox & Meike.
Thanks so much man! Yeah, I'm making a video on the flickering shadows right now. They exist for sure, but it's blown WAY out of proportion it's actually crazy haha. People saying it's "unusable". Also, I think most Log profiles benefit from slight overexposure. Cleaner shadows when the image is dropped in post.
I wouldn't guess that you have that subscriber count , wow ! Well done for the quality content ! I tried to examine those clips of yours and i've found out that the most perfect example of shadows flickering was the actual talking clip. Is it because of compression or is it a good example of it ?
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Any flickering in my talking head is going to be RUclips compression. I shot it at 800 ISO, and most flickering doesn't show up (from what I've heard) until the higher ISOs and in the RAW codec. I'll look into the flickering more and see if I can recreate some of the things I've seen on RUclips.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia Main reason for wanting me to buy Z63 is better low-light, Internal sensor stabilization and comcact design compared to blackmagic rig that i use. And AF sometimes (I never ever use it but it should be a good option) But mostly as a B-cam or for reportage shooting. But for the other aspects and especially image quality BM is no-brainer for me in this price point) New pyxis btw have the same sensor as bm ff, so for me it's definetely skip. I like exicting form factor and big in-body screen :)
That footage looked great...I'd be very happy with that! In my latest video I took a walk around my city downtown on a Friday night and just recorded video (4K 10-Bit h265) with the Z6III and a 50mm 1.8S wide open and Auto ISO, hand held, and honestly...no complaints (other than me being a clumsy videographer, lol). All these doom and gloom tests are just silly.
I do real estate photography/video. I currently use the Z6. I have been scared to buy the Z6iii thinking it wont be much of an upgrade. I can get another Z6 for $800. I just want to improve my video! I'm afraid of losing dynamic range in photos as well.
I haven't used the original Z6, but my A7Siii has far more dynamic range than the Z6iii, and I still use the Z6iii more. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
No reason to be scared, the DR difference is so small you have to go looking for it via pulling up shadows +6 EV. It's such an overblown small difference.
I have no doubt both channels are far better than me at using the cameras, especially Nikon. I just think so many people get hung up on graphs, charts, and do wild stress tests (like shooting underexposed, etc.) and don't look at what the camera can ACTUALLY do, and how it feels to actually use the thing. Another thing to bring up is that RUclips definitely compresses and ruins footage, so it makes the difference even smaller.
That Dynamic range hoopla is for people that dont realize that RUclipsr using the camera isnt a Nikon fanboy. All cameras have their own issues. Exploiting DR is one way to downgrade a camera that they probably will never use. Now to be honest Nikon isnt known for video. I own the Nikon Z6III and it is better than the Z6II for video. Use the Z6III but dont jack up the ISO and think your not going to have acceptable noise.
Is there a NR setting in the camera? I know the A7SIII had NR in camera. So there will be a difference in noise. What I find is people are not good at exposing these types of camera this is why they are having problems. I have a Z6III coming tomorrow so I'm excited to see what I can get out of this cam. Nice vid bro, will sub, Peace bro
Thanks for the comment, bro! There is noise reduction happening in H.265 codecs, and it's baked in so you can't change it. But there is no noise reduction added when shooting in RAW as far as I'm aware!
I see that as well. I don't think it's the same issue, as I wasn't shooting in RAW (where the issue actually occurs.) I'm in the process of making a video about the flickering more in depth.
Majority was 6400 ISO. NLOG in the H.265 codec. Apparently the flickering shadows issue is more prevalent in the RAW codecs that dont have noise reduction baked in, so I'm planning on giving that a look soon.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia Thanks for the quick reply. I tested the raw/n-log on my copy and the flicker made the footage unusable. I’ve yet to test H.265 though. I’ll do that tomorrow.
@@bananaman-zd4lq To give you a rough estimate, My 512GB Sandisk card can shoot 2 hours and 49 minutes of 5.4k at 24fps. 2 hours and 21 minutes at 60fps. That's in the H.265 codec. In 6K N-RAW, I can record 44 minutes at 24FPS, and 17 minutes at 60FPS. Hope that helps!
@@TannerSimpsonMedia thanks bro! no surprise, the Nikon footage color is way better. I want to sell my A7s3 also, but not having two card slots recording, is a fail for pro work.
Sony a7siii/Sony Fx3 is King in low Light and focuses system is best...Nikon z6iii is great Camera...all others brands are Second to Sony.. It's good that Nikon is getting better...however every Cinema Photographer Camera is Comparing their camera to Sony 😅...be bless 😊
clearly it's a low light monster, not just good in low light. the z6ii is as good as a nikon d4s in low light, that's insane. DR thing is dumb discussion as well. I can't believe that Northrup guy is so after Nikon.. The nikon z6iii has 2 stops better DR than a Nikon D6! let that sink in. wtf are we even talking about. sure it's not as good as a nikon d800e, not many cameras are lol but what?!?
I also bought a Nikon Z6iii and I can now say that my Sony A7siii is now like a secondary camera that lies in a bag
Same! I feel kind of bad letting such an awesome camera be my backup haha 🤣
How has the auto focus been in comparison to your 7siii?
Thanks man, it is crazy how these influencers/photographers/videographers on social media influence people with their dumb tests and claims... almost nobody is going to shoot at pitch dark... As someone out there on RUclips said:
"Ultimately if DR matters more than readout speed, then buy the Z7ii. If readout speed matters more than DR, buy the Z6iii. And if they both matter, buy the Z8." Boom! lol
Agreed! Tests definitely have their place, but if I went solely off tests, charts, and graphs, I don't think I would've bought this camera, but I'm glad I did. This thing is awesome, and I've loved it so much! Also...I definitely want to buy a Z8 after using this Z6iii so much XD
I would like a z8 with 24mp sensor.
Or a z6 with a 24mp “full stacked” sensor (like z8).
The z6iii autofocus is not so good, so is not an option worth considering.
My bad.
@@xscorcherthis isn’t a clear post
The highlights look stunning
Pretty good real world test case. Photography/Videography is really niche in this day and age, and even experts are mere users of tools rather than their designers. So the understanding of how things work are really just a matter of these tests. So the more merrier! I've gathered that the flickering seems to occur in select cases, though, in most real world uses cases the issue is either minimized or outright not present. But I suppose time will tell. and we'll see how Nikon responds in the next month or so.
Yeah, I was just watching PetaPixel's podcast on it. Might test it myself just to see, but while using the camera with correct exposure I haven't noticed the flicker.
This is the video what I’m looking for🔥
Which ISO on the Sony in tour comparison? 12800?
I just need a concert photography video at a dark red and flashing metal show…thats my true test 😅
Metal shows are the best shows 🤘🏼
Same, I'm a concert photographer and I would like to find a test concerning this machine in real conditions. Talking to me about the dynamic range etc, for me it's abstract. I need to see to understand, but most influencers hardly test it, they take 3 photos in the studio, 1 photo outdoors and they throw out the technical specs without correlating it with reality. That's why I'm stopping listening to them now. I ordered it, I'll see when I receive it! But I'm afraid of being disappointed, I wanted the Z8 and I still don't know which one is better in concerts.
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Great video! The colors and image smoothness is so delicious on the Z6III. It is the poor man’s Arri Alexa LF. People out there criticizing the camera are pixel peeping and looking at charts. But in real world filiming, the camera’s image is gorgeous. I own the Z8 and love it, but I always felt the image was too sharp on video. It’s still great, but I’m looking for a high end cinema look, and the Z6III delivers with a nice rich creamy image. Can’t wait to get mine.
Hey man just stumbled across this.. great stuff. Happy to see it works for your in real world. I've been a little bummed watching the reviews after picking up the "zed 3" - love it so far, but haven't pushed it so much. Interesting that you push exposure vs. slightly underexposed. Also cool intel on the Viltrox & Meike.
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Thanks so much man! Yeah, I'm making a video on the flickering shadows right now. They exist for sure, but it's blown WAY out of proportion it's actually crazy haha. People saying it's "unusable". Also, I think most Log profiles benefit from slight overexposure. Cleaner shadows when the image is dropped in post.
I wouldn't guess that you have that subscriber count , wow ! Well done for the quality content !
I tried to examine those clips of yours and i've found out that the most perfect example of shadows flickering was the actual talking clip. Is it because of compression or is it a good example of it ?
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Any flickering in my talking head is going to be RUclips compression. I shot it at 800 ISO, and most flickering doesn't show up (from what I've heard) until the higher ISOs and in the RAW codec. I'll look into the flickering more and see if I can recreate some of the things I've seen on RUclips.
Thanks for this
Was the Sony on the left side or right?
I’m a concert and nightlife videographer is this the camera for me? Why or why not
Hey look, a real world use case!
Great shots! Definitely it's less noisy footage then my Blackmagic Full Frame at 6400:)
I've been so close to buying a blackmagic SO many times. Maybe the new pyxis will finally convince me! Love the image and the menus from those.
Great looking footage. Thanks for sharing your experience, hopefully this will give others more confidence.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia Main reason for wanting me to buy Z63 is better low-light, Internal sensor stabilization and comcact design compared to blackmagic rig that i use. And AF sometimes (I never ever use it but it should be a good option) But mostly as a B-cam or for reportage shooting. But for the other aspects and especially image quality BM is no-brainer for me in this price point) New pyxis btw have the same sensor as bm ff, so for me it's definetely skip. I like exicting form factor and big in-body screen :)
nice footage, what lens did you use ?
Thanks man! Most of these are on the Viltrox 40mm f2.5 and Meike 85mm f1.8! Great budget options.
That footage looked great...I'd be very happy with that!
In my latest video I took a walk around my city downtown on a Friday night and just recorded video (4K 10-Bit h265) with the Z6III and a 50mm 1.8S wide open and Auto ISO, hand held, and honestly...no complaints (other than me being a clumsy videographer, lol).
All these doom and gloom tests are just silly.
I do real estate photography/video. I currently use the Z6. I have been scared to buy the Z6iii thinking it wont be much of an upgrade. I can get another Z6 for $800. I just want to improve my video! I'm afraid of losing dynamic range in photos as well.
You’ll be fine bro. I have 2 & 3, 3 is a much better camera.
I haven't used the original Z6, but my A7Siii has far more dynamic range than the Z6iii, and I still use the Z6iii more. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
No reason to be scared, the DR difference is so small you have to go looking for it via pulling up shadows +6 EV. It's such an overblown small difference.
i guess Peta Pixels guys & Robert doesnt know how to use the camera, your Nikon Z6iii shots are comparable to my Sony A74 DR
I have no doubt both channels are far better than me at using the cameras, especially Nikon. I just think so many people get hung up on graphs, charts, and do wild stress tests (like shooting underexposed, etc.) and don't look at what the camera can ACTUALLY do, and how it feels to actually use the thing. Another thing to bring up is that RUclips definitely compresses and ruins footage, so it makes the difference even smaller.
@JeromeMorada Jordan from Peta Pixel said the noise was only in extreme ISO settings.
That Dynamic range hoopla is for people that dont realize that RUclipsr using the camera isnt a Nikon fanboy. All cameras have their own issues. Exploiting DR is one way to downgrade a camera that they probably will never use. Now to be honest Nikon isnt known for video. I own the Nikon Z6III and it is better than the Z6II for video. Use the Z6III but dont jack up the ISO and think your not going to have acceptable noise.
Is there a NR setting in the camera? I know the A7SIII had NR in camera. So there will be a difference in noise. What I find is people are not good at exposing these types of camera this is why they are having problems. I have a Z6III coming tomorrow so I'm excited to see what I can get out of this cam. Nice vid bro, will sub, Peace bro
Thanks for the comment, bro! There is noise reduction happening in H.265 codecs, and it's baked in so you can't change it. But there is no noise reduction added when shooting in RAW as far as I'm aware!
I see flickering between 4:15 and 4:25. Might have been flashes from other cameras
I see that as well. I don't think it's the same issue, as I wasn't shooting in RAW (where the issue actually occurs.) I'm in the process of making a video about the flickering more in depth.
Maybe I missed it but what iso and codec did you shoot in? Was it shot in n-log?
Majority was 6400 ISO. NLOG in the H.265 codec. Apparently the flickering shadows issue is more prevalent in the RAW codecs that dont have noise reduction baked in, so I'm planning on giving that a look soon.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia Thanks for the quick reply. I tested the raw/n-log on my copy and the flicker made the footage unusable. I’ve yet to test H.265 though. I’ll do that tomorrow.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia How do I find out how much memory will be taken up when shooting video with those settings?
@@bananaman-zd4lq To give you a rough estimate, My 512GB Sandisk card can shoot 2 hours and 49 minutes of 5.4k at 24fps. 2 hours and 21 minutes at 60fps. That's in the H.265 codec. In 6K N-RAW, I can record 44 minutes at 24FPS, and 17 minutes at 60FPS. Hope that helps!
@@TannerSimpsonMedia Thank you!
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bro, label your shots! I'd like to see which is which, and shoot on a monopod.
Haha sorry dude! I totally spaced it when I was editing. I put it in the description.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia thanks bro! no surprise, the Nikon footage color is way better. I want to sell my A7s3 also, but not having two card slots recording, is a fail for pro work.
Pass me my Z8
@@Mr09260 ayo, I'm actually tempted to snag one after using the Z6iii
Sony a7siii/Sony Fx3 is King in low Light and focuses system is best...Nikon z6iii is great Camera...all others brands are Second to Sony..
It's good that Nikon is getting better...however every Cinema Photographer Camera is Comparing their camera to Sony 😅...be bless 😊
clearly it's a low light monster, not just good in low light. the z6ii is as good as a nikon d4s in low light, that's insane.
DR thing is dumb discussion as well. I can't believe that Northrup guy is so after Nikon..
The nikon z6iii has 2 stops better DR than a Nikon D6! let that sink in. wtf are we even talking about. sure it's not as good as a nikon d800e, not many cameras are lol but what?!?
I replied the Northrups, he is always looking for an avenue to get to Nikon .
I subscribed, you toooo