The Most Difficult Challenge In Gran Turismo 2 (Not The Ford GT40)
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2023
- Much has been said and many memes have been made regarding the Ford GT40's appearance at Rome Circuit in Gran Turismo 2. An oversight causes the Vector M12 LM Edition to appear as an opponent in the 30 Laps of Trial Mountain, a event restricted to cars below 295 HP. While the M12 has over 600, creating an almost unbeatable situation. However, I tried to beat it in this video.
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The amount of anxiety when racing up against one of the fastest cars in an endurance race
You mean unrealiable
Ford GT40 in Rome: This town isn't big enough for 2 supervillains!
Vector M12 in Trial Mountain: Oh, you're a villain alright. Just not a SUPER one!
The M12 is pulling the strings for the GT cheaters organization all along.
The GT40 walked so the M12 can run
I like how you have to mention this challenge didn't involve the GT-40 😂
The thing about the GT40 is, while difficult, there's a lot of options to beat it. Not so much with the M12. For this one, you had to hope it didn't appear in your line-up, which is rather time consuming as it appears often.
Praise for the green bmw, he knew you were the only chance of beating the m12, and went in for the final block
Totally teammate of the decade.
I've watched several of these Trial Mountain Endurance vs. the Vector M12 LM Edition videos. This was the most exciting finish out of all of them. Most of the other videos go more in depth into tuning their car and win by a wider margin. Well done.
Thank you! I'm glad, it was a really close race, I admit.
I remember beating this as a kid and I think I pushed the M12 into the pitlane wall to win
Valid strategy, totally fair and balanced given the opponent.
😂 I used to do the same against 100hp cars in Tahiti when I was low on money
Considered that the M12 never wim anything in its class in real life, i say this is just compentsation
It totally needs to race in a lower class to feel competitive.
@@YellowbirdYT isnt this race has no performance limits ? I remember beating that M12 in a RUF BTR (handling and weight reduction upgrades only)
@@hybridAbsol No, this race is limited to cars below 295 HP. A RUF BTR cannot enter this exact race, there are other races where it can enter and the M12 appears as an opponent (GT world championship, All Stars)
Trial Mountain 30 Laps aside, my choice for most interesting endurance race in Gran Turismo 2 is Millennium in Rome. The same glitch that displaces the M12 LM in US 1.0 (which is meant for MiR interestingly enough) also displaces cars from other endurance races. The car that ends up at Rome is an STP Taisan Viper GT from Laguna Seca 200 Miles, and the reason I find that mismatch so interesting is that the Viper, despite not being meant for it, does great at Rome. It can easily hold its own against both R390 GT1s, and if it starts at the front of the grid it will happily lead the pack for a lap or 2 even warding off far superior cars like the Venturi 600LM and Toyota GT-One '98. It actually fits so well that when playing MiR I always have trouble deciding which revision of GT2 to play because I have to pick between the M12 LM and Taisan Viper, and they're both so fun and interesting to have on track that its a legitimately hard choice.
Ah yes, the STP Viper is pretty competitive as I assume it's similar to the Oreca Viper, which is part of the LM - All Stars line-ups used in GT2. Even if, this thing takes the cake for me.
Dude. The last 2 laps were intense. I've raced quite a few like this. There's a race in GT4 that is a rally one where you race the Escudo. I used I think a 96 GTO/3000GT. Beating the historic racing car cup is terribly difficult without a lot or money. I think I beat it with the 1967 Mercury Cougar. There is also one or two where you go up against the McLaren F1 racecar. The older GT40, the 1970 Toyota, and the 2J are the tough older cars to beat. I can't remember which GT it was, but racing against the Nissan R390 road car was also difficult. Good times.
i remember that, by the time i saw the V12 in the camera that was approaching for the final 1,2,3 countdown, i thought, ok this is impossible. So i tried with another car , the Mini Cooper , that red taxi. i think it costs 500.000, when i reentered the race, the V12 wasnt there. i beat it easily. I did not know until now, 20 plus years later, that something like this was possible! Incredible job mate! well done
Yeah, the rally Mini Cooper is a beast actually. It's a shame it never was in any future Gran Turismo games.
this is the same feeling I had playing gran turismo all stars championship in gt4 using the esperante gt1. this endurance race looks so difficult
It can be! It's hard to keep a constant pace, I barely made it in the end, really.
this looks like it's some kind of bug, have you noticed how there's a Citroen xantia running in the special stage route 5 race? yeah, I think there was a switch of roles
It is, due to an oversight with the first NTSC-US release of GT2, the endurance line-ups are broken. Long story short, starting from Grand Valley, the event below it will have a car from the endurance event above it. The Xantia is intended to be an opponent in Trial Mountain, and the M12 in Rome. This was fixed on later releases, of course. I wanted to add it, but I felt it dragged the video down. I'll save it for my deep dive on GT2.
I enjoyed this far too much, the excitement and enthusiasm in your voice had me grinning - looking forward to new content from your channel.
Thank you so much!
This is epic! Tight racing, great commentary and - and!! The Aquila 303 intro looped from NFS III! Sick touch. Rom di Prisco is something else.
Early NFS had excellent music. Those songs are engraved into my mind, I'm glad you have enjoyed my choice of OST!
That was over 20 years ago I win this race... I think I just used the race spec. 320i to hell with it without pitting. Which turn out leaving a decent gap in last lap with ease.
Well done, interesting car choice as well. Loved this race
I did it with yellow Spoon Civic, there was a Tom's fwd coupe capable of doing it as well. Race modded Evo 5 and comparable Imprezzas are the best choice imo, they can hit 1.21s laps if i remember correctly.
The Evo and Imprezas are pretty good choices for this event indeed, I should try the Spoon Civic, it seems a bit low on torque for the uphill sections.
Indeed spoon civic is excellent as it can fight cars above this level in more races. This car can allow you to beat half of game where low HP is required. Yes, it will have garbage top speed but cornering and acceleration is out of this world as for that horsepower.
Yes, that Tom's T111 was a strong contender too.
Tom’s T111 and Spoon Civic are the best FWD cars in GT2. Both can fight any supercar
My son and I loved watching this and rooting for you to win , just subscribed
No way! That's so sweet, I'm glad to hear!
@@YellowbirdYT yep he was literally geeking out , he loves watching me play but I don't play as much as I used to , so it's nice to watch a master at their craft from time to time
Awesome achievement. I don't have a save in the unpatched NTSC version but if I did I'd attempt the challenge with a race modded Dodge Concept Car for almost the best maximum power to weight ratio I can get (weighs 873 kg in race spec). There are a couple of other lightweight cars that can get to 300 hp but they're either a different drivetrain layout like Civics (I prefer FR for endurance because it provides the most even tire wear, also a lot of lightweight MR cars like the Lotus Europa or Lancia Stratos have dodgy handling), like to spin the tires unnecessarily like the '83 RX-7 or S13 Silvias, or don't feel like they have any oomph under the hood despite the hp figures like MX-5s. The Concept Car is an absolute rocket.
The Stratos has terrible handling indeed, we were playing with it on one of my streams. Terminal understeer. It was one of the first cars I considered for this race, but after some attempts it proved to be a waste of time.
Ok I finished watching the whole video, besides the savestate at lap 28, it was a good race!
12:17 A clear evidence that miracles DO happen.
Can we just take a moment to pay heed to how good this 24 years old game looks ?
Duckstation is a wonderful piece of software.
Still play it from time to time too, love it.
А ты хорош))) Помню как в детстве перезапускал по несколько раз эту гонку чтобы Vector m12 не попался среди соперников и тогда уже спокойно проходил её на mazda rx7 ) Никогда бы не подумал что вообще реально тут победить с таким соперником
Some trivia, none of these misplaced cars show up in the Japanese version of the game. Due to missing entries (no Acura nor Lexus) if the game loads a blank entry, instead of crashing, it loads from the top of the next list. In Trial Mountain's case, that's the GT World Championship, and the first car is the Vector M12 LM.
Yes! I actually saved that information for my GT2 review, as I felt it would slow the video down.
The first time I ran this race I didn't pay attention.
I passed all the cars in front of me and everything was going normally, until after a while I saw the position indicator and it said "2nd".
I thought: "wtf!?". Then I saw that a GT40 was in first place. I had no chance, I gave up.
I got revenge by beating two GT-40s together at Apricot Hill with my New Beetle.
I still play GT2 almost daily, I started when I was 8 years old with GT1, 33 now. ♥
Dude that is the hardest challenge in Gran Turismo Period
It's up there for sure, maybe one day I find something harder.
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The M12 is on the Ferrari™ strategy, a silly 2-stop. But honestly, well done! I thought this might go down to the wire thanks to the pit stop silliness, and it did.
The clowns at the pit crew will always save your race, glad you enjoyed it!
I used a red Evo 2 for this endurance race from what I recall. Got it spec'd for the event and made sure I put the best handling parts and lowered the weight as much I could. The first time I did this event there was not much problems considering all the racers were what they should be. The second time I did this for a prize car I faced the M12 and had to use a bit of Forza tactics + staying out as long as I could with hard racing tires to stretch my lead the best I could. Since at the time, the M12 was being slowed down by the rest of the field in the twistier section of the course.
In a weird way, the M12 being here feels like Ridge Racer Revolution where the Angelus would just appear in a time trial event and over power you with speed. Until you get to the end and win by being consistent on the course.
If you are consistent, odds are you'll be fine indeed. Besides, a bit of contact is to be expected with this thing.
@@YellowbirdYT Very true. If the AI is not gonna play fair, you might as well not play fair back.
Ah Gran Turismo 2, the only game where rubber banding is so bad that 70 horsepower Kei cars can pose a threat to a 92 Celica GT-Four
Very impressive. Did you know at the time all tires have the same endurance level? Maybe it would be easier since you can really be aggressive with the turns. Apparently super softs last as long as super hards.
That was really intense man, GG!
Thanks! In the end, I'm glad I found the right car for the challenge.
this is the best example of ''what it matters is not the car, it is teh driver''
One can say, I appreciate it. Even if I could have done a better run, I admit.
I ever beaten Eli Ayase's Vector M12 LM using ANY race modified cars that have within 295bhp. Man, Eli Ayase's VECTOR M12 LM in GT2 Original Version can be a huge nightmare in Trial Mountain 30lap race. Harashooooo!
Great content! Love to GT2!
Probably my favorite GT game, I could talk about it for hours (and might do) but thanks!
@@YellowbirdYT And if for some reason you get bored, GT2 Plus mod is still a thing! I'll be keeping an eye on your channel for sure
@@eljotita I actually stream GT2 plus, at least once or twice a week. It's the best way to play GT2.
2 stop strategy is faster if you pit on lap 11 for mediums and then again on lap 22 for softs
Thing is, GT2 doesn't allow you to change compounds mid-race.
@@YellowbirdYT i remember doing the grand valley endurance in a skyline race car having manual gears doing 6000rpm shifts and I thought it was tyre compound selectable if you had bought those tyres for the car, started on hard tyres for that event. Mind you it was a long time ago now so my memory might not be serving me correctly lol
@@diesel-technology5507 Yeah, in Gran Turismo 2 you can only change tires on the settings tab, not during a race. However, in Gran Turismo 4 you can change tire compounds mid-race!
Dodge Concept Car, race modified. 1 pitstop. 41 minutes, 33 seconds, best lap time: 1:19.938.
The M12LM finished 1:06 behind
I have one thing to say Nice driving bro 👍
Thank you! I admit the setup was pretty good and it allowed me to drive without struggling, last thing I wanted was an undrivable car.
yoooo the TXR3 Nagoya ost
Cultured individual right here.
love the Tokyo Extreme Racer 3 music
Glad you noticed! Thanks!
This was the most exciting video of a GT2 Endurance ever made
That's a high praise, it was really challenging and intense for me. Not sure if I could do it again.
@@YellowbirdYT Its the truth, your detailed video of ever portion of the race made me feel like I was racing the Vector M12 myself. Thanks for the nostalgia.
Until the end IS insane
It really was, I lost a few times and I'm glad I got this run!
i vaguely remember fighting a 911 around that course on hard tires with no stops to win that one
Did this Trial Mountain 30 lap endurance race once and won, thanks to the Tom's T111🏆
Funny how I never considered the T111 for anything, might have to try it out one day.
Ah yes, I remember those days... before GranTurismo 4 , You had to be all Aspec , Bspec mode was a welcomed feature
B-Spec is a curious thing, for one the idea of training a driver is fun. But at the same time... I want to drive, shame there are 24hrs races.
This guy sounds like F1 Ferrari engineer '"We are looking" 😀
Really intense race! Saludos de Perú.
I couldn't believe it by the end, I was so nervous. Muchas gracias!
@@YellowbirdYT Hahahaha I imagine. For me the best part is at the beginning of lap 29, when you overtook the M12 after its pitstop... Really thrilling! By the way, no sé porque sigo escribiendo en inglés si ambos hablamos español jajaja... Nuevamente, gran video, gran contenido y gran fluidez del idioma inglés. Suscrito.
...this is literally a Boss Battle.
We can say, it's the final boss of GT2!
Я это Вектор на Субаре Импрезе побеждал, неделю настраивал ее для гонки, в итоге получил машину у которой было 256 лошадей, но ехала она на все 500😁... эх было круто
I heard that all the tyres have the same rate of wear. Might as well use super soft. I did 25 laps before pitting on Apricot Hill no problems
That is true, but I forgot at the time of recording.
I used to own the first version of GT2. Yup, I can vouch about that Vector. I was like, "How on Earth it ended up here?".
You and me both! It was always a mistery for me as a kid, and always wanted to win against it.
Reminds me of old needforspeed games when pushing was allowed :D
The BMW was go bro its all on you now i got your back. Finish this
The 3-Series compact has earned a place in this channel's history, for sure.
Good race👍🏾
Thanks! My races tend to be quite intense.
The Real Driving Simulator, yet, they have placed the unequal cars as a competitor LoL
"The Real Driving Simulator" is literally a meme phrase by now.
racing rules went out the window long ago when that bmw was allowed on the grid
God bless the 3-Series Compact.
Bravo! I Managed a very similar win as a kid in a racing modified 22B
Oh the 22B can enter? It must be pretty close to the power restrictions.
@@YellowbirdYT it mightve been wrx sti coupe
I wonder to be honest. I recall doing all endurance races in GT1 and GT2 back in PS1 era but my memory might be failing me. I will have to try GT1 and GT2 again soon i guess.
They aren't too long, the longest ones take at least 2hrs. Give them a try, they're fun!
Great job man that was intense. I hope that car doesn't spawn in every event because I still haven't beaten GT2 but It's on the bucket list
Thanks! The M12 only appears in the first NTSC-US release of GT2 (1.0) - You can also restart the event until it doesn't appear, that's how I did it ages ago.
@@YellowbirdYT is there a way to see the changelog of gt games? i noticed gran turismo 4 usa version have like 3 version numbers.
That M12 bug in gt2 is an amazing bug.
You're playing Gran Turismo 2...Well, a man after my own heart...consider me subscribed ;)
Welcome aboard! There's always more racing game content on the works.
First lap slam into the vector in the tunnel ...he spins ..and he get stuck for 10 sec ...ez win
Sounds like a poem narration 😂
I guess that's one way to describe my broken English!
Nice Job 😃
I rembember playing the other race where you win the gt40. And everytime a gt40 was among the opponents I quit and did a restart 😅
Btw you like need for speed dont you? 😉
Whats the name of the last song in the video?
The one featured in my outro? It's Porsche Unleashed OST (PS1) - Modern Era Menu
@@YellowbirdYT thats it 😊 i knew it was from nfs Porsche unleashed but i didnt find it 😅
I like that sound... Reminds me of my childhood 😊
If you race car in event makesure go to Camera replay before start race checking ai first. GT40 And Venturi Limited 30lap edition.
Last time I did that raced I used race hards you can go about 15 to 17 laps on race heard
In Gran Turismo 2, due to some bizarre reason, all racing slicks have the same lifespan.
Have you ever used the spoon s2k from the prize car? Is it viable or not?
I think you have a better chance with the off-the-dealer S2000, as you can apply a racing modification to it. The NA engine suffers a little in the uphill sections, but I think it should be doable as I tried the dealership S2000 and it did well.
Good drive.
I appreciate it! I was really nervous during the race for sure.
not gonna lie, the only reason I clicked on this video is because of the Vector in the thumbnail
They are almost forgotten nowadays, aren't they?
@@YellowbirdYT Wish it was in Gran Turismo 4, such a beautiful car :(
At least it got immortalized on that challenging race.
I'm not completely sure if my memory serves me correctly but I think I did this challenge race with Subaru Impreza rally car which had like 290 hp and won by a wiiiiiiide margin.
While the actual WRC cars have like 400 HP when you buy them, modifying an off-the-dealer STI will give you those numbers and it's pretty competitive as well.
@@YellowbirdYT Yeah it's funny that the dealer shows 290 bhp or something like that before you buy the car but after you have bought it and look at it in the garage it's 470+ bhp if I remember correctly. But somehow I still managed to enter that race with the car without modifications or anything like that.
Of course it has been around 20 years since I played it but I can still vividly remember that was the car I used. That Subaru was miles faster through the corner filled sections and the only place where the Vector was able to close the gap mildly was the long back straight with the tunnel. I think I did not lap the Vector but won by like half a lap or something.
This has to be what I did. I used awds for the most part. I remember beating all races in GT2 and don't even remember this race at all. It had to have been so easy it didn't even touch my radar in terms of difficulty. Must've used AWD, probably a subie.
oh my gawd bruh awwww hell naw man wtf man
I know. I lost my mind, still it was a fun challenge.
this is unreal challenge :)
At first I thought it was impossible, but I was wrong and I cannot be happier about it.
I swear this game cheats. It would be the epitome of “One must perform above and beyond their assigned class (in terms of cups with limitation restrictions).
While the GT2 AI is rather easy, it does have these moments where one can have absurd challenges with it.
Yea that glitch sucks, the best way I seen to fight it is to save before you go in there and quit and go back in and reload until it doesn't show up, the last couple of times I played it, it wasn't there
Yeah, it's easy to avoid it really. But you can get unlucky and have a few line-ups with it.
There's slip stream in GT2? Always thought there wasn't.
Yes, it's present on GT1 as well, you can really feel its influence if you are trying to turn your car around.
If you use the Tommy Kaira M13 you won't struggle. I didn't see the Vector there.
Honda civic 3 door si '93 can go sub 1:24 on that event, someone made it on rx7 '83.
The Civics are pretty good, actually, and so is the RX-7. Racing mods are busted.
I was difficult for me to first time race endurance both and also easy to beat m12 and ford gt40. Also I used nissan r390 GT1 road car 97 version then. I used also the Toyota gtone 98 race version for fast lap 90 with Suzuki escudo pike peak about 985 hp
You should try with the honda s2000 with super soft tires... pit in laps 12 and 24... or 8, 16 and 21..
Due to an oversight, all tires have the same lifespan in GT2 and I wasn't aware when I did this race. The S2000 is pretty strong, it does suffer a bit with its NA engine, as it has lower torque for the uphill sections. But it should be possible.
Give it a try.. might surprise you.. very good top speed despite its low power... but that is what makes it so good at this endurance... almost no oversteer, FR and not so heavy... and if im not mistaken, you can turn into race car and adjust downforce
La GT40 si vince alla MR cup sul bellissimo tracciato di Red Rock Valley
Yo elegía un Skyline R32 GTS-T, en su máximo y sobre todo neumáticos duros para aguantar lo que mas podía, mi estrategia era no frenar mucho doblar poco y deslizarme lo que mas pudiera, elegía cambiar neumáticos cada 12 vueltas exactas. si no fallaba ni una vuelta lograba alejarme del M12 con dificultad pero lo lograba. las curvas son tus amigas y en recta no pelees contra el M12. tu batalla son en las curvas. ahí tienes ventajas sobre el M12.
Todos los neumaticos tienen la misma vida util en GT2, por lo tanto uno puede elegir los mas blandos. No sabia esto al grabar mi video.
@@YellowbirdYT Nunca me duraban tanto los blandos. A más 7 u 8 vueltas. Por eso iba por los más rígidos podia siempre aguantar hasta más la vuelta 13 sin que los neumáticos se volvieran mantequilla...
Is a tuned Motorsport Elise good for this race aswell?
Not really, the entire Elise line in GT2 has terrible handling for some bizarre reason. On top of that, given trial mountain is a bumpy track, they are even worse. It was an option I considered but turned out to be scrapped.
@@YellowbirdYT damn
Knew about this from MattJ155's video on all the cheating AI cars in Gran Turismo 2, my hat's off to anybody that can beat this challenge
Right, he used the Concept Car which is one of the best cars on this HP bracket, still a good car is only a part of the run.
Did you win the Vector after the race?
No, the Vector can be bought in its respective dealership. I was rewarded with a A Denso Sard Supra.
I used my 1994 Honda Prelude for this
I used a Prelude for endurances on my latest stream, totally an underrated car.
Initial d moment
Bound to happen with a S15!
Im always staggered by gt2's graphics
While my emulator surely helps, they were peak PS1 graphics.
my guess is that you'll be about 5 laps ahead of them, though i'm leaning towards 4.
Edit: i knew the hunch was correct.
Getting through the pack was easy, it wasn't the same for the M12 though!
And this was supposed to be the easiest endurance in the game...
Good old classic games where everything is a beginner's trap.
yeah i just reset event if i get Vector.
Altos nervios amigo
Literalmente me temblaban las manos al final de la carrera.
nice
A mi nunca me salió, igual es por usar la version pal
Porque solo aparece en la primera version NTSC-US (1.0) Ninguna otra version tiene este error.
It doesnt load it every time.
5 laps
Huh.... I don't remember that ...
What’s the car prize?
A Denso Sard Supra.
Try the mini copper i have lap this trak in 1.15 enjoy...
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Damn😂👏👏
Watched a few vids, looks like a race-spec Tommy Kaira ZZ-S is slightly faster than your S15 for that race.
ruclips.net/video/-2qNp5PabnU/видео.html
The ZZ-S is a really good car, I didn't like its handling for Trial Mountain so I used the S15. Still, it's a really OP car.
@@YellowbirdYT Yup, totally agree that ZZ-S's bad handling on this track is caused by these bumpy sectors like the first tunnel after the long left turn. All MR cars have the same issue on this track. Anyway, great driving man, have you ever tried to race this challenge as fast as possible?
I think what causes trouble for MR's in that opening section is stiff front dampers. Even when set to 2, the car feels way more likely to lose grip for some reason. You can test it in the first corner at Red Rock, the car should stick to the road a bit better with 1 front bound and rebound. The rear isn't impacted as much and you can set it to around 5 for better mid-corner grip. Soft rear springs help too, but the ZZ-S is quite stable and can run around 6.0 without much issues.
Pffftt ...
lol you can beat that with an escudo
Maybe that's what I did? I remember no endurance race being troublesome in GT2 I whored the escudo as much as possible.