He really is. I personally think he was a good choice to play Anakin. His performance wasn’t stellar, but to be fair, almost no one turned in a good performance. I think Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid were the only ones to truly pull off good performances with the scripts and direction they were given. And that’s part of the problem for Hayden, I think. Actors have to place a lot of faith in their directors and a bad director can get even the most talented of actors to turn in a prequel like performance. Although, when he doesn’t have to say any of the dialogue, Hayden is actually a damn good actor. When he just has to act with his facial expressions, it really works. Watch ROTS again and I’m sure you’ll see what I mean.
@@davidharder7024 I love the prequels but the dialogue in that trilogy is just not good if someone had helped George with the part I swear the prequels would have been the best part of star wars not to say that it isn't right bow
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda: "No. Quicker. Easier. More seductive." I think you're right. Going through the levels too quickly you have a bunch of power, but lack the wisdom and control so you have a lot of vulnerabilities.
This is why every GOOD martial arts school has a time gate on all advancements. Dan 3 takes 3 years Dan 4 takes 4 etc. just for an example. Every Kyu where i practiced jujitsu has a gate of 6 months, so it will take you 6months times 7 or 3.5 years to get 1st Dan, or black belt 1. and that is if you succeed, many take longer than this. It takes time to properly understand your techniques, and so a minimum bar is set, you can practice more often and more intensely but you won't advance faster. Its a simple yet old thing in martial arts, and it makes sense that the jedi whom is based on eastern martial arts culture also adapts some form of ranking and philosophy of it.
@@StarWarsTheory Just a heads up, the info from the DVD commentary isn't canon now, and what comes from the Archives book is just behind-the-scenes stuff. The Lightsabers Collection has Mace ranked as a level 9, same as Palpatine and Yoda.
@@yitzledee It was before Disney acquired the IP. They have repeatedly retconned numerous details that Lucas originally set in place. So no, his word is no longer absolute, and Disney has reiterated that on several occasions.
@@thewarner2139 Disney has creative say and they don't listen to George, that's the facts. But to me, George is the only one who truly understands and appreciates it, he created it after all... Furthermore, in filmmaking there are a lot of things that are 'behind-the-scenes', but those story elements and character details are the basis of which the Cinematography, Acting, Editing and Music follow. For me, the only true Canon is 1-6. I love the EU (Legends), it far exceeds anything Disney has done. The Clone Wars as well, the first few seasons by George were amazing and the final by Dave Faloni were really good. The Disney movies, comics and other shows really fall flat, in my personal opinion, of course certain episodes are great but not the sum total. In short, Samuel Jackson was directed as an actor to play Mace as a level 8 in power level. Disney bought the movie and all the directorial decisions with it. It is very disrespectful of them to change a vital part in the direction of the film, but that's how Disney treats Star Wars so I'm not surprised.
I always thought of it like giving in to anger during sparring or a match. It FEELS more powerful just because you’re ‘letting go’ but it’s totally illusory. It’s just tunnel vision. You’re in a rage so all you see is the man in front of you. you don’t notice how wide you’re swinging, how tense you are, three more guys behind you, etc. While your opponent has the calm of experience on his side so he easily exploits all of the openings you give to him in your fit of rage.
@@mushinjedi6526 My thoughts exactly, I would also add that the dark side requires a (passionate) goal for it to be effective and in a fighting sense would be useful. But it can have a massive drawback that if you lose your connection to the dark side (e.g. lost motivation or questioning your own motives), you lose the power boost since you aren't fighting as hard as when you were using the dark side or 'letting go'.
Except elsewhere, Lucas said you could not attain the highest level without using the dark side. Lucas has said a lot of contradictory stuff over the years, so either Yoda was not being completely truthful in the movie (which is possible) or Lucas just got his wires crossed.
@@movieswithmatticus5469 Yeah. I adore George for all the worldbuilding he did, but the man is by no means perfect, especially when it comes to dialogue and stuff.
Nah, people aren’t begging him to come back: young people are. “You never know what you have” doesn’t apply here because the youth weren’t there to see the difference between the OT and Prequels; they never had him in the first place. George isn’t necessary anymore, and asking him to come back is a perfect example that people don’t know what they want and are just getting desperate for a story they wouldn’t even like if they got it.
@@Yodoggy9 actually the newer Trilogy might've actually not sucked if they brought Lucas in to help with it, the new trilogy is just a bullshit remake of the OT,only difference being that OT was great new Trilogy is just unwatchable and trash
Dooku was able to hold his ground somewhat against Yoda, but was still unable to win. It was even he said that defeated Mace once in combat. So maybe 8 or 8.5.
You hit the nail on the head with the DBZ comparison. During the Cell Saga, Vegeta was trying to go beyond SSJ1 without mastering it. He gets the power boost, but it makes him too slow and it drained him. Goku instead of trying to ascend, mastera SSJ1 to the point where he can actually sleep in it, and it made him a very efficient and lethal fighter.
And then Gohan (Anakin) comes along and goes SSJ1 and easily goes to SSJ2 both are supposed to be chosen 1s that never really reached their max potentials. Well DBS is still going so there's still a last hope for Gohan to get a massive upgrade
In a recent interview, Nick Gillard expanded on this, adding that Fisto was a 7, against Palpatine, Windu was (yes) an 8, but closing to 9 and a youngling is a 1. He also said that it's like a Richter Scale. It's not linear, but each level becomes more and more complex and the difference goes crazy. The difference between lower levels is nothing, compared to higher levels. Level 7 is what most of the Jedi/Sith can reach, level 8 and 9 are "secret levels" that only few people ever reached, specially 9.
Yea the non linear part is true for sure. Its like power levels in that old anime Yu Yu hakusho, the power levels were D through S tier and the difference between A tier and S tier was immense, even the difference between low S tier and high S tier was huge.
That video is full of shit. Anakin was level 8 when battling Obi on Mustafar, Obi was trying to leave with his life. The reason he lost was the arrogance. Also Anakin was level 7 when he fight the Count, he became lvl 8 when he killed him. Vader was level 9, Palpa level 9 Yoda level 9. Obi never reach lvl 5. Obi was always level 4. So he put Yoda and Obi in same level ? Jesus where that came from ? Are you see Obi powerfull as Yoda ? Palpa never reach level 10. The only one who ever reach lvl 10 was Valkorion.
@@gushy7438 Anakin was 9 on Mustafar, barely reached it due to him committing to the Dark Side, but was emotionally unstable, not focused, and lost because blinded by his emotions. Obi was an 8 during the entirety of Ep III. Level 10 never became a thing, was only present in an early version of Ep VI; the same version that puts Ben Kenobi as a Level 6, Vader at 4 and Luke at 2. Obi, in Ep I, his an upper 6, later a 7. The only three Level 9 were Sidious, Yoda and Anakin/Vader, post Mustafar, Anakin dropped significantly, never recoreving and never achieving more than 40% of his full potential.
What's interesting to me, is Dooku seems to never use anger or rage. He never uses what makes a Sith so powerful. Yet he was an incredible Sith. His intellect and saber abilities truly made him what he was. If he had stayed a Jedi, he could have maybe even surpassed Yoda.
He is Yoda's Padawan Learner. Dooku was always controlled and rational. Yoda was hoping to turn him back to the light side of force. They were having long conversations during the Clone Wars. Yoda cared deeply about Dooku. Dooku had Aistocratic bearing.
Yoda never said that the dark side makes you stronger, he simply said that it is a quick way to develop and become powerful but the power that comes about is fleeting, and that the Light side is slower but once power is attained it is permanent
So anakin lied when he said his powers had doubled since the last time he faced Dooku. Unless each level is an order of magnitude like the Richter scale
Nick Gillard touched upon this in the revenge of of sith sith extras and I quote. "Sidious is a level nine (out of ten). On this film, Obi is eight-he's moved up-Anakin is a nine; Mace is a nine, Yoda is a nine. They're up with Sidious. Once you get to eight, you have a Pandora's box. You could go any way with it. The way not to go is the dark side. But it would tempt you, because that would jump you right past the others. So you need to arrive at level eight at the right age-not as young as Anakin."
I’ve also always had the theory, building off Yoda, that the dark side isn’t inherently stronger. The dark side is just faster, easier. The dark side has techniques that DO amplify your abilities, like force rage, but it’s like a drug. You become addicted to that easy power, it corrupts your body and causes Sith Degradation. That may be my head canon formed from my interprets of the force, but I digress.
I'd like to compare it to steroids. If makes achieving a certain goal faster and somewhat easier, but the longtime effects are severe and you will lose what you've gained, sooner rather than later, especially with the permanent damage you yourself inflict on yourself, besides of course the addiction you already mentioned.
@@hendrikgreiner8449 But steroid do make you stronger than people who do not take it, the Dark Side does not make you more powerful than a light side user. The thing is that after Bane's era, the more strict selection and rejection of potential Sith Lords and apprentices made so that only the individuals who had the potentian to match the strongest of the Jedi could become Sith, and only those who could fulfill this potential could survive and become Sith masters, making so that in this lapse of time, all the Sith lords were more powerfull than almost all the Jedi, because the ones who could not become so powerful could not be chosen to become Sith. Darth Plagueis even thought that the Dark Side would not do any good to a Jedi, that for someone used to bask in the light the Dark Side would be detrimental, sustaining that no matter how powerful that individual would get, a Jedi who passes to the dark side would always be the shadow of what he could have become had he stayed in the path of the light. Darth Malak also affirm that that once Revan returned to the light side he became more powerful than he ever was in the Dark Side. The Dark side does not make you powerful, it makes you feel more powerful, this is why many dark side users overestimate their abilities and often think of light side users as lesser.
Brilliant my brother. This is beautifully explained I love it when you spoke on the Darkside as being on steroids because that’s exactly what it is. it’s a way to cheat to get bigger stronger faster but you cannot hold that strength in the long term. you have to keep taking steroids to maintain it just like the Darkside Has to keep you in pain and anger for you to keep your power. Meanwhile the light side of the force goes through the steps legitimately and are able to control their power but grow on a slower scale. This is complete awesomeness to think about.
Anakin: As for me, I will find a level beyond a Super-Jedi! Obi-Wan: So what? Like a Mega-Jedi? Ultra-Jedi? Anakin: You're mocking me. Obi-Wan: Maximum Over-Jedi!
This channel is still very entertaining, even after 2-3 years of watching and revisiting when my Star Wars fixation comes around. Keep up the wonderful work!
The easy thing to remember about Mace beating Palpatine or Obi-wan beating Anakin is that power levels are just measuring tools that indicate their total capability. At the end of the day, when a fight breaks out the strongest guy doesn't always win. The best team doesn't always win in a match. Every contest takes on a life of its own.
It is overpowered. Means that Mace can hack into anyone. Takes longer for higher power levels. Or you would have to perfect all you weaknesses to stand a chance.
I’ve always loved the prequels and the originals, this series is what shaped me as a man. I grew up on it, in many ways I was raised by Star Wars. My heroes are Kenobi, Mace, Yoda, and Luke, my love for this series is ridiculous. Love how the content is still coming and Lucas is showing his visions.
Awesome video theory! I love watching content like this. We really get to understand the characters on more of a deeper level and understand why certain situations happened. I love how complex each character In star wars is. It really sets it apart from any other franchise
@@newhybrid101 Says the guy who mixed legends with Canon even when they are completely different. George has stated that the prequel Jedi are “Jedi in the prime in the prime of the Jedi”. Unless GL is wrong, you can tell me otherwise. Or perhaps you prefer to go by Disney rather than the creator himself.
Not hard to choose between a rushed trilogy made for profit after a purchase or a trilogy that’s been planned since the 80’s that spawned from 94 to 05
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 the efforts and personal investments are different. And yes with the shoddy writing and lack of overall visions which they themselves admitted its obvious those movies are not a success. Even the prequels gives us enough in depth lore to enrich our Star Wars experiences.
Anakin was like the "Wallet Warriors" of the PVP games; he gets the big strong tools/moves but he didn't get the experience and maturity of knowing how and when to use them (No Patience). That's the Dark Side,... Selfish, Superficially, decisions in haste some may take that but the more thoughtful (Mature) wont. Being mad often leads to more problems then the original.
@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs then the manga would be fine with the content,it is the best /untouchable, the anime is glorious for soundtrack department , same the movies, and relationships between characters or development for few of them, the musou game great for their power knowledge, immagine a swap between star wars and fist of the North Star, wild.
The way I think about the dark side vs the light side is that neither is inherently more powerful than the other, but it is much easier to use and draw power from the dark side, making it appear more powerful to people who are not disciplined enough to be able to use the light side as effectively as someone like yoda
It has often been hinted that by the duel at Mustafar, Anakin actually is a better fighter than Obi-wan, and it is a mixture of experience and patience that scored Obi-wan the win. It's quite possible that nonvader Anakin would've done as well, if not better, than Vader fighting his master, though, in my opinion. As for Mace and Yoda, IMO Mace is as good at lightsaber fighting, better suited to fighting Sith because of Vapaad, but overall slightly weaker thanks to Yoda's experience with the force. So if Yoda and Mace had a force push fight like Obi-Wan and Anakin, Yoda would win.
Yoda basically cheats because of genetics. Mace, Obi Wan or Anakin with 800 years of training would all vastly outdo Yoda, none of them had reached 50 by RotS.
Notice how all the original lightsaber blades have a taper from the hilt to the tip? This is good sword design. I really wish they made the replica sabers you can get now with tapered LED blades so its screen accurate. Im tired of swinging my saber around that is a straight cylinder lol.
while i didnt enjoy them being in the clone wars and was also bummed out that they were in bad batch instead of smb else, i feel like they were well fit for the scene in bad batch and actually made a good addition.
I like how this effect of skipping steps is utilized in the Bleach Series. Ichigo underestimates his hollow form so much, that when he dies, he goes fully berserk. Probably mý favourite moment in Bleach is the full hollow Ichigo. It was wicked.
I hope that we get to see more young Vader in the future. I think it's likely, considering he's one of the few remaining OT main characters who hasn't been done dirty by Disney, yet...
He was done dirty because his force ghost never stepped in to stop Kylo following a fake version of his voice, fabricated by the man who ruined his life and was pure evil. Anakin's character was assassinated off screen.
Honestly, I just think this was a way to keep track on how relatively powerfull characters are. So I won't take much of the specilations too seriously.
So Obi wan is not that weak as most fans suggest.. he is in windus level...and that means if anakin wasn't using dark side then they were equal too in rots
@@economicslegal6989 mace is second to yoda nowhere does it states he's only powerful against darkside users he can clap any jedi and any sith grey jedi or whatever
Anakin having the higher but uncontrolled level of power helps to explain how Obi-Wan was able to defeat him. It’s like a boxer who is naturally very powerful and fast, for example Mike Tyson. He may have more uncontrolled power than, say, Evander Holyfield, but if Evander can survive the initial onslaught of raw power, he can frustrate Tyson, which will open up opportunities to hit him. That’s what happened to Anakin. He thought because he was so much more powerful than Obi-Wan that he could just wade in and knock him out, as it were. Obi-Wan, being the relative wily veteran he was, bided his time and defeated Anakin when he got frustrated and made a mistake.
Dang this is one fact that I've never heard of... these different levels of strength and experience! I sooooo appreciate the DBZ comparison we are now friends after that dude lol it's such a simple explanation about how the SS transformation works and what's funny is how Vegeta has been the one to skip levels like not being able to reach SS3 and skipped to SS4 in GT or to SSGSS in DB Super. Anyway I appreciate this video & tks for all of the hardwork that you put into your content
1:50 "While we haven't heard about it in Legends or canon all the much." Those aren't separate things, they are the same thing and it is called the EU.
Its a bit of a weird one. Because I think Lucas is quoted as saying that Mace would have beat Sidious which is cool and all but it sort of makes Mace seem a bit too strong and Sidious too weak. I mean maybe it was always a part of Sidious's plan and he was stalling so he wasn't going all out till Anakin got there but he didn't expect Mace to be so strong. I think that is the explanation that makes the most sense.
Do you think the Jedi are aware of their progression or is it a more organic transition or ascension to their next phase? I know the Jedi are well aware of their powers in regards to their peers IE when Obi wan tells Anakin about Yoda’s saber skills.
Just when I think I can't love you anymore. You bring out the dragon Ball z references and super Saiyan 2 and super Saiyan 3 and the whole Majin Vegeta thing, damn!
Kind of like the Cell arc in Dragon Ball Z where they did manage to ascend past Super Saiyan 1, but the growth power made them more bulky therefore even slower.
my power levels for the prequels has always been: 10 - yoda, palpatine 9 - windu, dooku, anakin (peak ROTS) 8 - obi wan (peak ROTS), maul etc. obviously due to plot some fights go a certain way. maul has always been impatient and overconfident and obi wan just always had his number, despite maul being more powerful in TPM (imo). thats one example i wouldn't put both obi-wan and mace as 8s in ROTS tho. mace is a clear level above and belongs in the 9s. respect to george lucas tho, ive always been a fan of his.
@@samsonitejohnson7456 no need to debate. Lucas himself already stated Mace beat Palpatine fair & square. Mace had Palpatine in a Vaapaad conduit loop, in other words, as Sidious got stronger, so did Mace, all alongside Shatterpoint activated as a complement to the dark force channel feeding his abilities. Theory has already done a video explaining this.
Palpatine did use force abilities read the comic and the novel, mace has A style called Vaapad and an a ability called shatter point. Plus that only makes it even to disarm palpatine he has to be the same skill with the blade plus with the boost
Great video! I actually always thought Darth Sidious allowed himself to be thrown down knowing Anakin would come and have to choose to save him in order to save padme. If anakin had realized that turning to the dark side could be what kills padme, then he wouldn’t have saved Darth Sidious. In this case would Windo have been able to actually kill Sidious or would he have been able to unleash his full power knocking Windo away. I think that would have been a cool scen for both Windo and Anakin to take on Sidious together and kill him!
I love Hayden's acting and preparation for Anakin, all of us real fans have an appreciation for his performances. I will actually cry if they show an Obi-Wan and Anakin flashback pre-ROTS
This is a great video, these levels really help put things into context. That said I'm surprised Mace was just an 8. Also is that shatter point ability canon because it sounds ridiculously OP. Like how could you lose in most cases? That's crazier than the Battle Meditation from KOTOR, you got a general with shatter point and you are owning the enemy lol.
Windu is an 8 until he faces palpatine. His exceptionally unique experience with the force and combat makes him a 9 against sith. His lightsaber style of vapod directly countered sidious. I know its an old comment but I thought it was worth answering.
Mace Windu actually couldn’t find a way to defeat Sidious in the novel, his shatterpoint ability would’ve been impossible to use if Anakin wasn’t there where his fear creates a shatterpoint on Sidious for Mace to use.
I like this alot. For George Lucas to have confirmed Obi-Wan's, Anakin's, Mace's, and Palpatine's power levels as of the prequel era is awesome. I remember from the Revenge Of The Sith bonus features making "Within A Minute", Nick Gillard had said to Ewan McGregor, Obi-Wan is level 8, and Anakin is level 9, but he level 9 because of the dark side. He never mentioned Mace and Palpatine though. This is good knowing that each one of them has distinct power levels.
Best part? Remember when George said in the OT behind the scenes that Vader was a 6? George also confidently and consistently states that all the Jedi in TPM (Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon) are more powerful than the OT Jedi and Sith. What level is Obi-Wan in TPM? 6. It’s like poetry it rhymes
George Lucas is a clown, this contradicts everything in the new canon, Rotj sidious and Rotj Vader would easily beat Tpm qui gon and obi wan, Rotj Vader and sidious are both 10/10 sith thank gosh Lucas doesn’t own Star Wars anymore, the prequels show how bad his films got
@@spideysg1163 clearly, the levelling system is relative to the characters in each trilogy. the level 6 described in the OT isnt the same as the 6 described in the PT. with the PT system vader and sidious would be 9s most likely, if not 10s. think. george is a genius
Makes sense to me. Everybody is faster and far more skilled in light saber combat in the PT than in the OT. A good comparison to make is ESB Luke vs. AOTC Anakin. Luke has to fight with two hands to wield his father's light saber. Anakin could dual wield and face down Dooku. Basically anybody in ROTS could completely dunk on any one in the OT in light saber combat.
So a couple of points of contention. First, the novelisation of ROTS is trumped by what actually happens in the movie and the whole point of Anakin vs Dooku is that Anakin WASN'T using the Dark Side. Dooku literally points it out. "You have hate, you have anger...but you don't use them." In that showdown against Dooku, Anakin is fighting purely as a Jedi. He has the feelings inside him that could push him to the Dark Side but he's controlling them. Far from being "half Sith" Anakin is actually realising his potential as a pure Jedi in that duel. He overcomes a Sith Lord who used to be one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order and he does so with relative ease without tapping into the Dark Side. The only time Anakin allows himself to be influenced by the Dark Side in that fight is when Palpatine tells him to kill Dooku and he does it. Second, regarding Yoda telling Luke that the Dark Side isn't more powerful, he wasn't lying and he wasn't wrong. The Dark Side is easier. You can get to a higher skill and power level more quickly through the Dark Side but you can get to the same levels as a Jedi, it just more time, discipline and restraint. and by controlling your emotions rather than letting them control you, you're less likely to make mistakes. Also, beyond individual skill and power levels, looking at the larger view of the Force, the path of the Dark side ultimately leads to oblivion. There is no ultimate reward for a Sith. No matter what they do, they're doomed which is why they spend so much time looking for ways to cheat death whereas the Jedi path can lead to true oneness with the Force and true immortality, thus the Dark Side can never be stronger.
I agree 100% I talked about this very thing in one of my videos called "Why The Dark Side Isn't Stronger". Your point about Anakin not actually using the Dark Side during his final duel with Dooku is one I had not heard before. I had always thought that Anakin hadn't yet used it in the first half because he had been working hard to not use the Dark Side given that he was trying to make himself a better Jedi, make up for the massacre of the Tuskens, and because Obi-wan was literally right there fighting alongside him. But with Obiwan incapacitated and Dooku egging him on, I always thought that Anakin cut loose so he could finish the duel quickly, then calmed himself down, and then finally was manipulated into killing Dooku.
@@themidichlorianexperience Anakin is actually pretty calm throughout that duel. Yes, he shows some arrogance at the beginning when he talked about his powers having doubled but he's not using the Dark Side. When he sees Obi-Wan get tossed aside easily, he's concerned but he doesn't go into a rage. He becomes focused and every move is controlled. His movement to cut off Dooku's hands actually shows that. He's in complete control. I actually think when Dooku taunts him Anakin in that moment actually realises "wait a minute, I really am stronger than this guy" and yes he cuts loose but not in an angry way. His strikes are precise and controlled. Also, speaking of the Dark Side, something that's mentioned in the video really bugs me a lot. It's not SWT's fault, it's the expanded universe backstory of Mace Windu, this whole idea that he has a connection to the Dark Side. It's quite ludicrous and as far as I can tell, it's entirely based on one shot in Revenge Of The Sith where Sam Jackson's face could be seen to look angry while facing Palpatine. I always took it that it was just a sign of the struggle as he tried to push back against Sidious' lightsaber but even if it was a deliberately angry look, at every point after that he looks controlled, focused and occasionally concerned but for some reason we've ended up with Mace having special powers linked to the Dark Side, just because Sam Jackson has a stern face lol.
@@jedsithor I agree with you there about Mace. Yes I don’t think he uses the Dark Side himself, it’s more that Vapaad allows him to conduct the power of the Dark Side from his opponent through him and back at them. He’s not using the Dark Side and staying in the light, it’s just passing through him. Overall I think it’s okay given that Windu isn’t as strong as Yoda/Sidious yet still beat Sidious. Although that too is up for debate
I cant believe how crazy Hayden trained to play Anakin in rots people really under appreciate him
They had a really high standard with Rey park doing choreography and Christopher lee for the fencing
I've always loved everything about Hayden. I'm sad he was disliked by so many.
@@Smoothalcoholic I believe Christopher Lee said they used a stunt double for some shots.
He really is. I personally think he was a good choice to play Anakin. His performance wasn’t stellar, but to be fair, almost no one turned in a good performance. I think Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid were the only ones to truly pull off good performances with the scripts and direction they were given. And that’s part of the problem for Hayden, I think. Actors have to place a lot of faith in their directors and a bad director can get even the most talented of actors to turn in a prequel like performance. Although, when he doesn’t have to say any of the dialogue, Hayden is actually a damn good actor. When he just has to act with his facial expressions, it really works. Watch ROTS again and I’m sure you’ll see what I mean.
@@davidharder7024 I love the prequels but the dialogue in that trilogy is just not good if someone had helped George with the part I swear the prequels would have been the best part of star wars not to say that it isn't right bow
Obi-Wan: “Master Yoda, what does the recording say about Anakin’s power level?”
Yoda: “9, it is”
Obi-Wan: “9?!!! There’s no way that can be right!”
Over 9, he is. 😂 (Dragon Ball reference)
@@CrudeSword lol. The high ground scene is basically the nani scene but Anakin is actually too over confident
I read this in the abridged nappa and vegita voices
You should've said midochlorian count instead
@@Wxyver_n That works. What was the count from TPM?
5:37
"Anakin jumped to a higher lever"
Showing anakin jumping to the highground😂😭
"It's over Obi-Wan! I have the high ground"
"Oh, not good"
i would like but its at 69 rn and im not gonna change that
“When you jump grades you miss a few things” lol
@@phoenixhellfire2567 it’s no longer 69 what are u waiting for?
@Darth Vader ruclips.net/video/bs6YAj3wH0k/видео.html
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: "No. Quicker. Easier. More seductive."
I think you're right. Going through the levels too quickly you have a bunch of power, but lack the wisdom and control so you have a lot of vulnerabilities.
This is why every GOOD martial arts school has a time gate on all advancements. Dan 3 takes 3 years Dan 4 takes 4 etc. just for an example. Every Kyu where i practiced jujitsu has a gate of 6 months, so it will take you 6months times 7 or 3.5 years to get 1st Dan, or black belt 1. and that is if you succeed, many take longer than this. It takes time to properly understand your techniques, and so a minimum bar is set, you can practice more often and more intensely but you won't advance faster. Its a simple yet old thing in martial arts, and it makes sense that the jedi whom is based on eastern martial arts culture also adapts some form of ranking and philosophy of it.
Bro is a level 10 nerd 🤓
Those younglings at the end of Episode 3 must’ve gave Anakin a lot of XP, it’s all making sense.
Low xp, high body count. It just works! I'm guessing the thousands of tuskan raiders helped too.
Jedi killing Sith Game Grinding.
Just like goblins in runescape lol
@@_cesarjoseph a million air casts later… 99 lol
Saying “jumped to a higher level” and showing the high ground scene is phenomenal editing! Love Star Wars theory!
hats off to my editor for that :)
@@StarWarsTheory Just a heads up, the info from the DVD commentary isn't canon now, and what comes from the Archives book is just behind-the-scenes stuff. The Lightsabers Collection has Mace ranked as a level 9, same as Palpatine and Yoda.
@@thewarner2139 Anything George Lucas says is Canon.
@@yitzledee It was before Disney acquired the IP. They have repeatedly retconned numerous details that Lucas originally set in place. So no, his word is no longer absolute, and Disney has reiterated that on several occasions.
@@thewarner2139 Disney has creative say and they don't listen to George, that's the facts.
But to me, George is the only one who truly understands and appreciates it, he created it after all...
Furthermore, in filmmaking there are a lot of things that are 'behind-the-scenes', but those story elements and character details are the basis of which the Cinematography, Acting, Editing and Music follow.
For me, the only true Canon is 1-6. I love the EU (Legends), it far exceeds anything Disney has done. The Clone Wars as well, the first few seasons by George were amazing and the final by Dave Faloni were really good. The Disney movies, comics and other shows really fall flat, in my personal opinion, of course certain episodes are great but not the sum total.
In short, Samuel Jackson was directed as an actor to play Mace as a level 8 in power level. Disney bought the movie and all the directorial decisions with it. It is very disrespectful of them to change a vital part in the direction of the film, but that's how Disney treats Star Wars so I'm not surprised.
Luke: Is the dark side more powerful?
Yoda: No, no, quicker, easier, more seductive!
Makes sense to me, dark side levels faster!
I always thought of it like giving in to anger during sparring or a match. It FEELS more powerful just because you’re ‘letting go’ but it’s totally illusory. It’s just tunnel vision. You’re in a rage so all you see is the man in front of you. you don’t notice how wide you’re swinging, how tense you are, three more guys behind you, etc. While your opponent has the calm of experience on his side so he easily exploits all of the openings you give to him in your fit of rage.
Dark side: sprinter
Light side: long distance runner
@@mushinjedi6526 My thoughts exactly, I would also add that the dark side requires a (passionate) goal for it to be effective and in a fighting sense would be useful. But it can have a massive drawback that if you lose your connection to the dark side (e.g. lost motivation or questioning your own motives), you lose the power boost since you aren't fighting as hard as when you were using the dark side or 'letting go'.
Except elsewhere, Lucas said you could not attain the highest level without using the dark side. Lucas has said a lot of contradictory stuff over the years, so either Yoda was not being completely truthful in the movie (which is possible) or Lucas just got his wires crossed.
@@logicaldude3611 where did George Lucas say that?!
Anakin: "And not just the men, but the women and the children too"
SWT: "beautiful"
It is beautiful
Lol I was gonna Comment that, hell I still am.
🙄 Anakin skywalker is dead so who are you
@Anakin Skywalker that was like 30 years ago where was you in 7-8-9. I guess you didn’t like Rey either, like the rest of us
I think he means the story telling and Anakin’s suffering. Not the act itself. Although it’d be pretty funny he did mean it literally.
The fact that people are begging for Lucas to come back just shows that you never know what you have till you lose it
*some people OT was pretty good because there were people to reign George in but the PT sucked because no one wanted to tell him no.
@@movieswithmatticus5469 Yeah. I adore George for all the worldbuilding he did, but the man is by no means perfect, especially when it comes to dialogue and stuff.
Nah, people aren’t begging him to come back: young people are.
“You never know what you have” doesn’t apply here because the youth weren’t there to see the difference between the OT and Prequels; they never had him in the first place.
George isn’t necessary anymore, and asking him to come back is a perfect example that people don’t know what they want and are just getting desperate for a story they wouldn’t even like if they got it.
@@Yodoggy9 actually the newer Trilogy might've actually not sucked if they brought Lucas in to help with it, the new trilogy is just a bullshit remake of the OT,only difference being that OT was great new Trilogy is just unwatchable and trash
If he came back though people would likely then say...
"What Mesa thinking?"
Most underrated character: Dooku.
What level was he? I need answers
I’d guess 8
He's not a video game character lol
Dooku was able to hold his ground somewhat against Yoda, but was still unable to win. It was even he said that defeated Mace once in combat. So maybe 8 or 8.5.
most likely 8 or 9
I would guess a 9. He bested Obi Wan and Anakin and held his own with Yoda.
How much power?
*UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!*
ITS OVER 9000!!!
Wait, wrong franchise
@@ABadassDragon omg lol I clicked to make this comment, you beat me to it
I Will Have More Power Than You Can Ever Imagine!
Wait, wrong era
Idk guys, my scouter just exploded
Btw i think Shrek is just Yoda final form or something
I am the definition of power
Clicked faster than Kit Fisto died
So 3rd fastest? Lol
But I clicked as fast as agen kolar died
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Your lying, no one can click that fast
Clicked faster than coleman trebor died
10:55 “I hope I don’t get canceled for that.” Theory is too funny
DEW IT
I'd like your comment but the number of likes is too good. I don't wanna ruin it.
LOLLIPOP
BATTLE POWER OVER 9000!
@Anakin Skywalker Twice The Pride double the fall
You hit the nail on the head with the DBZ comparison. During the Cell Saga, Vegeta was trying to go beyond SSJ1 without mastering it. He gets the power boost, but it makes him too slow and it drained him. Goku instead of trying to ascend, mastera SSJ1 to the point where he can actually sleep in it, and it made him a very efficient and lethal fighter.
And then Gohan (Anakin) comes along and goes SSJ1 and easily goes to SSJ2 both are supposed to be chosen 1s that never really reached their max potentials. Well DBS is still going so there's still a last hope for Gohan to get a massive upgrade
@@therelinquished4751 dragon ball super sucks ass tho
@@Jazzadrin final fantasy sucks ass bruh
It’s just like Kanan told Ezra in Rebels, “using the dark side offers quick results, but it is a trap!”
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: "No... no... no. Quicker, easier, more seductive."
Kinda like anabolic steroids.
Woooah this is really cool, I never even thought about it but this makes so much sense
Me to
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I just found your channel and subscribed!
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Aw not first
Love him or dislike him. George Lucas is brilliant either way
who the hell doesn’t like him
@@m6chael That was my question!
@The Weavile Feminists
@@m6chael angry fanboys that hates the prequels
@The Weavile How old are you?
In a recent interview, Nick Gillard expanded on this, adding that Fisto was a 7, against Palpatine, Windu was (yes) an 8, but closing to 9 and a youngling is a 1. He also said that it's like a Richter Scale. It's not linear, but each level becomes more and more complex and the difference goes crazy. The difference between lower levels is nothing, compared to higher levels.
Level 7 is what most of the Jedi/Sith can reach, level 8 and 9 are "secret levels" that only few people ever reached, specially 9.
Yea the non linear part is true for sure. Its like power levels in that old anime Yu Yu hakusho, the power levels were D through S tier and the difference between A tier and S tier was immense, even the difference between low S tier and high S tier was huge.
@@austinr09 oh, yeah, absolutely! A perfect comparison
That video is full of shit. Anakin was level 8 when battling Obi on Mustafar, Obi was trying to leave with his life. The reason he lost was the arrogance.
Also Anakin was level 7 when he fight the Count, he became lvl 8 when he killed him.
Vader was level 9, Palpa level 9 Yoda level 9. Obi never reach lvl 5. Obi was always level 4. So he put Yoda and Obi in same level ? Jesus where that came from ?
Are you see Obi powerfull as Yoda ? Palpa never reach level 10. The only one who ever reach lvl 10 was Valkorion.
@@gushy7438 Anakin was 9 on Mustafar, barely reached it due to him committing to the Dark Side, but was emotionally unstable, not focused, and lost because blinded by his emotions. Obi was an 8 during the entirety of Ep III.
Level 10 never became a thing, was only present in an early version of Ep VI; the same version that puts Ben Kenobi as a Level 6, Vader at 4 and Luke at 2. Obi, in Ep I, his an upper 6, later a 7.
The only three Level 9 were Sidious, Yoda and Anakin/Vader, post Mustafar, Anakin dropped significantly, never recoreving and never achieving more than 40% of his full potential.
@@diddly-squat9332 I agree with everything you said, except Obi's level. He was never near the level you said.
What's interesting to me, is Dooku seems to never use anger or rage. He never uses what makes a Sith so powerful. Yet he was an incredible Sith. His intellect and saber abilities truly made him what he was. If he had stayed a Jedi, he could have maybe even surpassed Yoda.
Idk about that lol. Maybe as a duelist but probably not in the force
Dooku wasn't a true sith , he had his own endgame involving keeping his planet and people safe.
Agreed, maby that's wat made him so powerfull
He is Yoda's Padawan Learner. Dooku was always controlled and rational. Yoda was hoping to turn him back to the light side of force. They were having long conversations during the Clone Wars. Yoda cared deeply about Dooku. Dooku had Aistocratic bearing.
@@matnels277 Dooku was close to being an anti-hero.
Yoda never said that the dark side makes you stronger, he simply said that it is a quick way to develop and become powerful but the power that comes about is fleeting, and that the Light side is slower but once power is attained it is permanent
‘Fleeting’ lol. No siths power went away after gaining it.
Hmm
So you’re telling me that Obi-Wan with high ground is a ten?
*Y E S*
11
@@scottphillips8607 Bruh nah...
86
He's an 11
Or power levels arent everything. You can overcome superior power through better positioning and strategy, like judo. 😤
Fun fact: Anakin and Darth Vader both said "NOOO" when they turned
@Anakin Skywalker Anakin Skywalker! I expected someone with your reputation to be a little... [looks at account creation date] *older*
See, it’s like poetry. It rhymes.
Mind: Blown
So anakin lied when he said his powers had doubled since the last time he faced Dooku. Unless each level is an order of magnitude like the Richter scale
"Good, double the pride, double the fall!"
None of the logic of this fits the movies nor books at the time.
Nah it’s like RuneScape, 92 is half of 99 technically speaking
This scaling is obviously nonsense to the current canon
@@georgbergsten6050 it may be that Anakin in the movie was exaggerating
Nick Gillard touched upon this in the revenge of of sith sith extras and I quote. "Sidious is a level nine (out of ten). On this film, Obi is eight-he's moved up-Anakin is a nine; Mace is a nine, Yoda is a nine. They're up with Sidious. Once you get to eight, you have a Pandora's box. You could go any way with it. The way not to go is the dark side. But it would tempt you, because that would jump you right past the others. So you need to arrive at level eight at the right age-not as young as Anakin."
I’ve also always had the theory, building off Yoda, that the dark side isn’t inherently stronger. The dark side is just faster, easier. The dark side has techniques that DO amplify your abilities, like force rage, but it’s like a drug. You become addicted to that easy power, it corrupts your body and causes Sith Degradation. That may be my head canon formed from my interprets of the force, but I digress.
I'd like to compare it to steroids. If makes achieving a certain goal faster and somewhat easier, but the longtime effects are severe and you will lose what you've gained, sooner rather than later, especially with the permanent damage you yourself inflict on yourself, besides of course the addiction you already mentioned.
@@hendrikgreiner8449 But steroid do make you stronger than people who do not take it, the Dark Side does not make you more powerful than a light side user.
The thing is that after Bane's era, the more strict selection and rejection of potential Sith Lords and apprentices made so that only the individuals who had the potentian to match the strongest of the Jedi could become Sith, and only those who could fulfill this potential could survive and become Sith masters, making so that in this lapse of time, all the Sith lords were more powerfull than almost all the Jedi, because the ones who could not become so powerful could not be chosen to become Sith.
Darth Plagueis even thought that the Dark Side would not do any good to a Jedi, that for someone used to bask in the light the Dark Side would be detrimental, sustaining that no matter how powerful that individual would get, a Jedi who passes to the dark side would always be the shadow of what he could have become had he stayed in the path of the light.
Darth Malak also affirm that that once Revan returned to the light side he became more powerful than he ever was in the Dark Side.
The Dark side does not make you powerful, it makes you feel more powerful, this is why many dark side users overestimate their abilities and often think of light side users as lesser.
These are the exact words, basically a perfect quote from another youtube video I just watched recently..... LMFAO.
Ye
Brilliant my brother. This is beautifully explained I love it when you spoke on the Darkside as being on steroids because that’s exactly what it is. it’s a way to cheat to get bigger stronger faster but you cannot hold that strength in the long term. you have to keep taking steroids to maintain it just like the Darkside Has to keep you in pain and anger for you to keep your power. Meanwhile the light side of the force goes through the steps legitimately and are able to control their power but grow on a slower scale. This is complete awesomeness to think about.
*confused Rakata and Original Sith species noises*
And just like with steroids, your head grows to be too big. Just ask Barry Bonds 😂
This obiwan show is gonna be literally legendary
Literally legendary? Why not just legendary?
Yup I know what’s gonna happen cause I have secret info hehehe
@@Backyard1v1s_0 spill it
@@Backyard1v1s_0 please tell us if you’re not lying
@@paulk3313 He’s lying for attention. Check his channel page. Kid’s like 12.
Anakin: As for me, I will find a level beyond a Super-Jedi!
Obi-Wan: So what? Like a Mega-Jedi? Ultra-Jedi?
Anakin: You're mocking me.
Obi-Wan: Maximum Over-Jedi!
TFS reference
I can hear their voices! Great dialogue.
Obi wan doing Tien is perfect. That sassy wit lol
This channel is still very entertaining, even after 2-3 years of watching and revisiting when my Star Wars fixation comes around.
Keep up the wonderful work!
When Anakin was a Padawan in episode 2 he was actually 19, whereas in episode 1 Obi-Wan was 25.
This is my all time favorite Star Wars RUclipsr.
You said it
You said it
@Anakin Skywalker you said it
Same but it would be better if he actually did part 2’s
The easy thing to remember about Mace beating Palpatine or Obi-wan beating Anakin is that power levels are just measuring tools that indicate their total capability. At the end of the day, when a fight breaks out the strongest guy doesn't always win. The best team doesn't always win in a match. Every contest takes on a life of its own.
absolutely bro, well said
Indeed
Always loved Vaapad as an ability for Mace, sad that we’re likely never to have it explored further
It is overpowered. Means that Mace can hack into anyone. Takes longer for higher power levels. Or you would have to perfect all you weaknesses to stand a chance.
I’ve always loved the prequels and the originals, this series is what shaped me as a man. I grew up on it, in many ways I was raised by Star Wars. My heroes are Kenobi, Mace, Yoda, and Luke, my love for this series is ridiculous. Love how the content is still coming and Lucas is showing his visions.
The book "Making of Revenge of the Sith" also contains statements from Gillard that include Mace in Tier 9.
Anikan: Shot Gun
Yoda: Sniper
Palpatine: 725 with slug rounds from MW
Or just the 725 on release lol
Palpatine was a buzz saw
Star Wars Theory: Lucas, what does the story say about his power level?
George Lucas: ITS OVER NINE THOU-SAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!
Anakin: Did you say sand?
The leveling system is pretty cool!
Theory must be a level 8
No it sucks
@@liammacdonald7716 L
@@Knookah nah george ruined legends
@@liammacdonald7716 L
@@phelan8385 he created G-Canon which ruins legends
4:40 There's two of my three favorite universes in this video. Thank you!!
Awesome video theory! I love watching content like this. We really get to understand the characters on more of a deeper level and understand why certain situations happened. I love how complex each character In star wars is. It really sets it apart from any other franchise
I never even realized how much bigger Hayden was for his part in the third film.
Muscle wise? Yeah he actually had gains in the movie, but they only show it once lol
This is interesting. I always felt the Prequel characters had more power in lightsaber combat then any of the next generation of duelists..
They are
Because all they did was study
@@newhybrid101 Says the guy who mixed legends with Canon even when they are completely different. George has stated that the prequel Jedi are “Jedi in the prime in the prime of the Jedi”. Unless GL is wrong, you can tell me otherwise. Or perhaps you prefer to go by Disney rather than the creator himself.
@@newhybrid101 dude did you really say vader surpassed anakin in legends vader literally got obliterated by tpm maul
@@newhybrid101 I don't care about those dozens of statements George said prequel jedi > ot jedi
The effort that Lucas puts in Star Wars and the others did in the sequels shows you which one is truly a labor of love.
Makes sense. It was his story to tell. For everyone else, it was all about virtue signaling and fan fiction.
Not hard to choose between a rushed trilogy made for profit after a purchase or a trilogy that’s been planned since the 80’s that spawned from 94 to 05
and threw it to the can selling it to disney
You're saying the makers of the sequels didn't even try?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 the efforts and personal investments are different. And yes with the shoddy writing and lack of overall visions which they themselves admitted its obvious those movies are not a success. Even the prequels gives us enough in depth lore to enrich our Star Wars experiences.
I'm so happy there is someone that likes finding this stuff out and making the videos to share it. Thank you.
Anakin was like the "Wallet Warriors" of the PVP games; he gets the big strong tools/moves but he didn't get the experience and maturity of knowing how and when to use them (No Patience). That's the Dark Side,... Selfish, Superficially, decisions in haste some may take that but the more thoughtful (Mature) wont. Being mad often leads to more problems then the original.
Star Wars and Fist Of The North Star character doesn't need a power level chart.. just a chart of their badassity
I could not agree more, a man/woman of reason and culture as well
I love Fist of the North Star! Great movie.
@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs I reccomend you the original manga and if you can withstand the animation the series .
@@francescocascetta26 I have started it, but I really don't like the subtitles.
@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs then the manga would be fine with the content,it is the best /untouchable, the anime is glorious for soundtrack department , same the movies, and relationships between characters or development for few of them, the musou game great for their power knowledge, immagine a swap between star wars and fist of the North Star, wild.
Rey :“Cool that means I have level 11 right?“
Rey: -11.
I asked myself the same thing, wtf about rey? she is so broken 🤷🏼♂️
She is level 0
@@D00DM00D in our hearts and mind yes, but not as portrayed in the movies
I’m gonna pretend she don’t exist
The way I think about the dark side vs the light side is that neither is inherently more powerful than the other, but it is much easier to use and draw power from the dark side, making it appear more powerful to people who are not disciplined enough to be able to use the light side as effectively as someone like yoda
It has often been hinted that by the duel at Mustafar, Anakin actually is a better fighter than Obi-wan, and it is a mixture of experience and patience that scored Obi-wan the win. It's quite possible that nonvader Anakin would've done as well, if not better, than Vader fighting his master, though, in my opinion.
As for Mace and Yoda, IMO Mace is as good at lightsaber fighting, better suited to fighting Sith because of Vapaad, but overall slightly weaker thanks to Yoda's experience with the force. So if Yoda and Mace had a force push fight like Obi-Wan and Anakin, Yoda would win.
Yoda basically cheats because of genetics. Mace, Obi Wan or Anakin with 800 years of training would all vastly outdo Yoda, none of them had reached 50 by RotS.
Amazing video. Those photos are amazing.
May the force be with you
And with you
Notice how all the original lightsaber blades have a taper from the hilt to the tip? This is good sword design. I really wish they made the replica sabers you can get now with tapered LED blades so its screen accurate. Im tired of swinging my saber around that is a straight cylinder lol.
What is a taper
@@thethe6326 stick them with the pointy end! He’s saying lightsabers are pokey
Star Wars power scaling confirmed. Now there’s gonna be a million different videos on this.
Bruh there are so many people who discovered this years before Theory
Love this! Super interesting. 👍🏻😃
When you were talking about Hayden getting jacked and putting on weight it reminded me that Anakin is a literal tank, takes damage and gives back
Ngl when I saw the martez sisters in the bad batch I just said "UGH"
I think all of us did.
Agreed. Only part of the final CW season that I didn’t enjoy
@@jamie5140 yup.
while i didnt enjoy them being in the clone wars and was also bummed out that they were in bad batch instead of smb else, i feel like they were well fit for the scene in bad batch and actually made a good addition.
@@heybeyoriginal I don't. I can't stand them. They are useless and anoying.
Love the DBZ parallels. Lucas would most certainly conjure a ranking for force users based on experience.
Congrats on 3 Million I think we can all agree you're more like Lucas Than Disney
100%
I like how this effect of skipping steps is utilized in the Bleach Series. Ichigo underestimates his hollow form so much, that when he dies, he goes fully berserk.
Probably mý favourite moment in Bleach is the full hollow Ichigo. It was wicked.
Yep, him vs Ulquiorra was so cool
@@Uchiha-fi4ij I like your style, Mate!
I hope that we get to see more young Vader in the future. I think it's likely, considering he's one of the few remaining OT main characters who hasn't been done dirty by Disney, yet...
He was done dirty because his force ghost never stepped in to stop Kylo following a fake version of his voice, fabricated by the man who ruined his life and was pure evil. Anakin's character was assassinated off screen.
Anakin: Shotgun
Yoda: Sniper
Palpatine: Punt Gun
Honestly, I just think this was a way to keep track on how relatively powerfull characters are. So I won't take much of the specilations too seriously.
So Obi wan is not that weak as most fans suggest.. he is in windus level...and that means if anakin wasn't using dark side then they were equal too in rots
Windu is a 8 but with vaapad+shatterpoint he's unbeatable
@@okwayz4438 only for the dark side users
@@economicslegal6989 mace is second to yoda nowhere does it states he's only powerful against darkside users he can clap any jedi and any sith grey jedi or whatever
Brilliant video. As a ridiculous Starwars fan this gives me the addiction fix I need! Thankyou! All for free. I love RUclips!!
This was super cool! Thanks for making this!
When you hear "Dragon Ball Z":
"A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one."
Anakin having the higher but uncontrolled level of power helps to explain how Obi-Wan was able to defeat him. It’s like a boxer who is naturally very powerful and fast, for example Mike Tyson. He may have more uncontrolled power than, say, Evander Holyfield, but if Evander can survive the initial onslaught of raw power, he can frustrate Tyson, which will open up opportunities to hit him.
That’s what happened to Anakin. He thought because he was so much more powerful than Obi-Wan that he could just wade in and knock him out, as it were. Obi-Wan, being the relative wily veteran he was, bided his time and defeated Anakin when he got frustrated and made a mistake.
Dang this is one fact that I've never heard of... these different levels of strength and experience! I sooooo appreciate the DBZ comparison we are now friends after that dude lol it's such a simple explanation about how the SS transformation works and what's funny is how Vegeta has been the one to skip levels like not being able to reach SS3 and skipped to SS4 in GT or to SSGSS in DB Super. Anyway I appreciate this video & tks for all of the hardwork that you put into your content
Best star wars channel on youtube!
1:50
"While we haven't heard about it in Legends or canon all the much."
Those aren't separate things, they are the same thing and it is called the EU.
7:35 I was under the impression that Sidious lost this fight intentionally, because he knew Anakin wasn't too far away.
I believe that
This is always what ove believed too
Its a bit of a weird one. Because I think Lucas is quoted as saying that Mace would have beat Sidious which is cool and all but it sort of makes Mace seem a bit too strong and Sidious too weak. I mean maybe it was always a part of Sidious's plan and he was stalling so he wasn't going all out till Anakin got there but he didn't expect Mace to be so strong. I think that is the explanation that makes the most sense.
Do you think the Jedi are aware of their progression or is it a more organic transition or ascension to their next phase? I know the Jedi are well aware of their powers in regards to their peers IE when Obi wan tells Anakin about Yoda’s saber skills.
That picture at 0:35 is incredible!
Just when I think I can't love you anymore. You bring out the dragon Ball z references and super Saiyan 2 and super Saiyan 3 and the whole Majin Vegeta thing, damn!
Definitely need Hayden’s exercise routine and diet, gotta level up to a 9
if he got a lot bigger in just 8 weeks it was definitely steroids.
Kind of like the Cell arc in Dragon Ball Z where they did manage to ascend past Super Saiyan 1, but the growth power made them more bulky therefore even slower.
It’s more like Roshi almost attaining ui in the super manga because he just has so much more experience and barely anything left to learn
my power levels for the prequels has always been:
10 - yoda, palpatine
9 - windu, dooku, anakin (peak ROTS)
8 - obi wan (peak ROTS), maul etc.
obviously due to plot some fights go a certain way. maul has always been impatient and overconfident and obi wan just always had his number, despite maul being more powerful in TPM (imo). thats one example
i wouldn't put both obi-wan and mace as 8s in ROTS tho. mace is a clear level above and belongs in the 9s. respect to george lucas tho, ive always been a fan of his.
Thanks for all you do bud! Been here since 2016!
the amount of physical preparation the actors went thru in the prequels doesn’t get talked about enough
And that's exactly what's missing in the sequel trilogy. Lazy filming it is. In a way, Hayden and Ewan trained to be Jedi Knights.
*Somewhere on earth*
Toriyama: "Power levels are bull$hit"
Thank you! XD
That's actually true. DBZ's power level is ACTUALLY bullshit.
Facts
I think when Mace activates his buffs against palpatine he went from 8 to 9 maybe even 10
We need a CW version of episode 3 fight between them. Would be so sick
@@calebpotter819 yeah dude
@@samsonitejohnson7456 no need to debate. Lucas himself already stated Mace beat Palpatine fair & square. Mace had Palpatine in a Vaapaad conduit loop, in other words, as Sidious got stronger, so did Mace, all alongside Shatterpoint activated as a complement to the dark force channel feeding his abilities. Theory has already done a video explaining this.
Palpatine did use force abilities read the comic and the novel, mace has A style called Vaapad and an a ability called shatter point. Plus that only makes it even to disarm palpatine he has to be the same skill with the blade plus with the boost
@@jibril2473 stop wasting time arguing with this person he chooses to ignore those facts.
Great video! I actually always thought Darth Sidious allowed himself to be thrown down knowing Anakin would come and have to choose to save him in order to save padme. If anakin had realized that turning to the dark side could be what kills padme, then he wouldn’t have saved Darth Sidious. In this case would Windo have been able to actually kill Sidious or would he have been able to unleash his full power knocking Windo away. I think that would have been a cool scen for both Windo and Anakin to take on Sidious together and kill him!
Really mace windu s shatter point where he can see how to get out of a problem and see the weak points is a great reason why he could survive
Woah Such a cool video! love these little tidbits from the 90's and early 2000's era. thanks for sharing!
With the high ground, obi-wans power level is 100.
I am a level 9,I am more powerful than the chancellor,I can overthrow him,then you and I can Rule the Galaxy,make things the way we want them to be
Lmfao
He hinted about highestpower level Force user in the movies -UNLIMITED POWAH!
Powah
Thank you for letting us know what George says about this. I’m sick of other people saying other weird things.
I’ve never seen anyone, ever, who has more of a dedication to Star Wars. I love it. 👏👏👏👍🏽
I love Hayden's acting and preparation for Anakin, all of us real fans have an appreciation for his performances. I will actually cry if they show an Obi-Wan and Anakin flashback pre-ROTS
If Windu's shatterpoint really made him able to see anybody's weakest point, how did he not foresee Anakin's betrayal?
This is a great video, these levels really help put things into context. That said I'm surprised Mace was just an 8. Also is that shatter point ability canon because it sounds ridiculously OP. Like how could you lose in most cases? That's crazier than the Battle Meditation from KOTOR, you got a general with shatter point and you are owning the enemy lol.
In a later interview it is stated that Mace windu is on their level Also
Windu is an 8 until he faces palpatine. His exceptionally unique experience with the force and combat makes him a 9 against sith. His lightsaber style of vapod directly countered sidious.
I know its an old comment but I thought it was worth answering.
Mace Windu actually couldn’t find a way to defeat Sidious in the novel, his shatterpoint ability would’ve been impossible to use if Anakin wasn’t there where his fear creates a shatterpoint on Sidious for Mace to use.
Awww you took out the awesome outro!
I like this alot. For George Lucas to have confirmed Obi-Wan's, Anakin's, Mace's, and Palpatine's power levels as of the prequel era is awesome. I remember from the Revenge Of The Sith bonus features making "Within A Minute", Nick Gillard had said to Ewan McGregor, Obi-Wan is level 8, and Anakin is level 9, but he level 9 because of the dark side. He never mentioned Mace and Palpatine though.
This is good knowing that each one of them has distinct power levels.
Could you do your own list of what you think the power levels are of the other members of the council/Sith Lords? That would be dope Theory
Yesss
It's confirmed Anakin was more powerful than mace and obi-wan
Yeah he was powerful at force but not mentally stable, stronger and iron willed.
@@theclown2664 anakin was stronger
Best part? Remember when George said in the OT behind the scenes that Vader was a 6?
George also confidently and consistently states that all the Jedi in TPM (Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon) are more powerful than the OT Jedi and Sith.
What level is Obi-Wan in TPM? 6.
It’s like poetry it rhymes
George Lucas is a clown, this contradicts everything in the new canon, Rotj sidious and Rotj Vader would easily beat Tpm qui gon and obi wan, Rotj Vader and sidious are both 10/10 sith thank gosh Lucas doesn’t own Star Wars anymore, the prequels show how bad his films got
@@spideysg1163 clearly, the levelling system is relative to the characters in each trilogy. the level 6 described in the OT isnt the same as the 6 described in the PT. with the PT system vader and sidious would be 9s most likely, if not 10s. think. george is a genius
Makes sense to me. Everybody is faster and far more skilled in light saber combat in the PT than in the OT. A good comparison to make is ESB Luke vs. AOTC Anakin. Luke has to fight with two hands to wield his father's light saber. Anakin could dual wield and face down Dooku. Basically anybody in ROTS could completely dunk on any one in the OT in light saber combat.
one of your best videos dude. ty
*** You make me love Star Wars more with every video.
So a couple of points of contention.
First, the novelisation of ROTS is trumped by what actually happens in the movie and the whole point of Anakin vs Dooku is that Anakin WASN'T using the Dark Side. Dooku literally points it out. "You have hate, you have anger...but you don't use them."
In that showdown against Dooku, Anakin is fighting purely as a Jedi. He has the feelings inside him that could push him to the Dark Side but he's controlling them. Far from being "half Sith" Anakin is actually realising his potential as a pure Jedi in that duel. He overcomes a Sith Lord who used to be one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order and he does so with relative ease without tapping into the Dark Side. The only time Anakin allows himself to be influenced by the Dark Side in that fight is when Palpatine tells him to kill Dooku and he does it.
Second, regarding Yoda telling Luke that the Dark Side isn't more powerful, he wasn't lying and he wasn't wrong. The Dark Side is easier. You can get to a higher skill and power level more quickly through the Dark Side but you can get to the same levels as a Jedi, it just more time, discipline and restraint. and by controlling your emotions rather than letting them control you, you're less likely to make mistakes.
Also, beyond individual skill and power levels, looking at the larger view of the Force, the path of the Dark side ultimately leads to oblivion. There is no ultimate reward for a Sith. No matter what they do, they're doomed which is why they spend so much time looking for ways to cheat death whereas the Jedi path can lead to true oneness with the Force and true immortality, thus the Dark Side can never be stronger.
I agree 100%
I talked about this very thing in one of my videos called "Why The Dark Side Isn't Stronger".
Your point about Anakin not actually using the Dark Side during his final duel with Dooku is one I had not heard before. I had always thought that Anakin hadn't yet used it in the first half because he had been working hard to not use the Dark Side given that he was trying to make himself a better Jedi, make up for the massacre of the Tuskens, and because Obi-wan was literally right there fighting alongside him.
But with Obiwan incapacitated and Dooku egging him on, I always thought that Anakin cut loose so he could finish the duel quickly, then calmed himself down, and then finally was manipulated into killing Dooku.
@@themidichlorianexperience Anakin is actually pretty calm throughout that duel. Yes, he shows some arrogance at the beginning when he talked about his powers having doubled but he's not using the Dark Side. When he sees Obi-Wan get tossed aside easily, he's concerned but he doesn't go into a rage. He becomes focused and every move is controlled. His movement to cut off Dooku's hands actually shows that. He's in complete control.
I actually think when Dooku taunts him Anakin in that moment actually realises "wait a minute, I really am stronger than this guy" and yes he cuts loose but not in an angry way. His strikes are precise and controlled.
Also, speaking of the Dark Side, something that's mentioned in the video really bugs me a lot. It's not SWT's fault, it's the expanded universe backstory of Mace Windu, this whole idea that he has a connection to the Dark Side. It's quite ludicrous and as far as I can tell, it's entirely based on one shot in Revenge Of The Sith where Sam Jackson's face could be seen to look angry while facing Palpatine. I always took it that it was just a sign of the struggle as he tried to push back against Sidious' lightsaber but even if it was a deliberately angry look, at every point after that he looks controlled, focused and occasionally concerned but for some reason we've ended up with Mace having special powers linked to the Dark Side, just because Sam Jackson has a stern face lol.
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I agree with you there about Mace. Yes I don’t think he uses the Dark Side himself, it’s more that Vapaad allows him to conduct the power of the Dark Side from his opponent through him and back at them. He’s not using the Dark Side and staying in the light, it’s just passing through him.
Overall I think it’s okay given that Windu isn’t as strong as Yoda/Sidious yet still beat Sidious. Although that too is up for debate