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@@ischi6200 Tbf he was fighting a pissed off Lambert and Geralt, had no armor and presumably didn't fight for a while whereas witcher in the cave had a demon occupying him and presumably meditated relentlessly. He could use the bombs he had on him though that would be cool.
Radovids quest was very solid just before the very end. Then bozo dickstra decided to just kill everyone for the dumbest reason. Then he got clapped lmao
God, yeah, why they did do it this way? Considering that Djikstra and his elite Redainian fighters got soloed by Geralt in the books now he's coming at him with a bunch of cutthroats while Geralt has two elite fighters alongside him
If Dijkstra had been in character he would have: (1) only acted after Geralt had left (2) sent wayyy more guards than he did and (3) left the scene immediately or not turned up at all. Any one of those reasonable things would have kept him alive but we're left with the brain-dead 4th option of "none of the above".
Dumpest reason? Roche basically sold out North to Nilfgard, assuming a leadership position with a murk of independence, Roches decision is the thing that is stupid, though Dijkstra should have dealt with these traitors in a much more intelligent way.
I don't particularly remember this quest, besides fighting young Arnold Schwarzenegger. The one I remember being obnoxious is finding a drunken creature for some halflings, it took me an embarrassingly long time to find the trail across some water, which was mandatory to open the door I already guessed the monster was behind IIRC
@@genesisosunaafter some digging up in the wiki, turns out I was misremembering : it's honey and not alcohol that the creature was after - the quest is around Novigrad and the creature is a wild hunt hound
Since we seem to have run out of details we missed in W3, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that we your subscribers wouldn't mind you making videos on your opinions on various quests like this one (or maybe even all of them 😂) in Witcher 3, xLetalis. We always love more videos from you!
You make a lot of good points in this one, some of which I've tried to correct for on my own and still others I've never even thought about. On the two closest ones being the two who don't know where he is, I always assumed Lund and Vienne actually knew where he was all along and just thought that whatever a couple witchers could do to them would pale in comparison to what Karadin might have done to them for outing him to an enemy (questions of reformed or not and whether Karadin or Lambert is telling the more accurate rendition of what happened to Aiden aside, he surely has to have some incredibly dark deeds in his history if he got someone like Hammond to see him as a superior). An alternative thought on Vienne in particular... it's entirely possible she's so fisstech'd out of her mind that she genuinely doesn't know because she's losing her grip on reality. I mean, did you look at that table? It looks like a blizzard hit it. For Karadin's letter to Hammond, I was never able to find anything in it but I always assumed there had to be a secret code in there somewhere. After all, if Karadin was indeed living the double life of pretending to be a respectable merchant while continuing to do shady stuff with Hammond on the side, it'd be too much to risk to send him a letter with a straightforward message in it. It's a long way to Skellige and I'm sure that note passed through a few different hands along the way from Karadin's hands to Hammond's - hands that may have been controlled by a brain that may have been wondering what an upstanding member of the upper classes was doing exchanging letters with one of the vilest brutes in Skellige. Since I was never actually able to find a code, though, I ended up wondering if maybe it was something easily lost in translation, like maybe phrases used had a dual meaning in the original iteration or something like an acrostic cypher. Also, I have somehow never once noticed that Karadin's wife has a sword and it blows my mind that I've never seen that. I've played that quest about 7 times myself and watched it being played at least another 4 and yet somehow that completely escaped my attention. It does seem reasonable to me, though, that regardless of whether Karadin is reformed or a liar, he'd have good reason to arm and train her to defend herself as needed. While I do have to agree with you that there are plenty of issues that definitely put this in the running for worst quest, I still personally have a soft spot for it, because setting all those issues aside, I still enjoy the relationship building (or utter destruction, depending on how you play it) that you have with Lambert in this quest.
What I find most annoying about this quest is that it bugs the "Flesh for Sale" quest in Skellige. You receive this quest very early, and if you go to Skellige with it activated, you do not receive "Flesh for Sale". And if you have already completed "Flesh for Sale", you cannot fast travel to Trottheim, or it will not activate the initial conversation with the pirates, leaving the quest marker bugged, and forcing you to skip some points in the quest, going straight to the clearing on the mountain where Hammond is if you want to finish it.
And on top of that doing this quest too early makes you miss a quest on Faroe. As a completionist it bothered me a little when I found out about it after my first 100% playthrough that turned out to not be 100%...
There are so many question mark quests that are so easy to miss that it's hard to do a true 100% playthrough without step by step instructions on the side lol
I agree that the pieces don't fit in this quest. I always kill Karadin because the way he presents himself doesn't feel genuine. It borders on creepy at points. Maybe that's what they were counting on here, that people wouldn't like/believe him. Or they were trying to make a quest that left you asking questions to the real story, but still there were too many loose ends and it wasn't satisfying. If you haven't played Gwent with Lambert yet, you can play right on the spot of Karadin's killing, which I found amusing.
What i think it is happening here is that we are missing an element, item, something, probably in Skillege. And the quest is bugged in a way Geralt reverts to tells Lambert the story as if we found it. That may also explain some of the missing dialog choices too, simply put, i think we are missing something. As for Karadin, he is lying, he is expecting someone that wants revenge and still dosent get the wife and kids to leave the place inmidiatelly? no way. The wife dosent say anything, she is looking down, the kids arent doing anything just standing there. If Karadin was telling the truth he would have told the wife to leave inmidiatelly with the kids, and instead he used them to try to convince Lambert and Geralt. Ge'els cared more about his model than Karadin cared of his family. Also he were close to Lund and Vienne, to the point he at least learn one of the two got killed. Otherwise how did he knew? You can find Hammond before meeting Lambert the first time? either before starting the quest, or right after starting it.
Eveyone knows that the worst quest for The Witcher 3 is the one with the twins, the only instance in life where you get blue balled even if you are alone lol
The var Attres? If I recall correctly, Rosa was originally supposed to be romanceable, but they changed it. I find it a nice narrative choice, to be honest. You think things are going in the romance direction, but then she shows an ugly side, Geralt rebukes her, and she gets pissed off and leaves. That's how it goes in life, sometimes. Also, I'm pretty sure she's a teenager, so....
Hey xLetalis, I noticed a little detail with the saddle that Gaunter O'Dimm gives you, and it came when I was fighting bandits at Fox Hollow in Toussaint. When ome of the bandits came close to Roach with the saddle on, the bandit got attacked by Roach by some fire attack from the looks of it. The Bandit wasn't behind Roach, he was on the side of Roach. Edit: There was also an Axii affect too. And it happened the same way it did with the fire damage affect.
Great video. A very perceptive explanation which makes me rethink about this quest and other Witcher 3 quests as a whole. Anyway, there's something that I want to point out. Maybe somebody else had pointed it out before, but maybe I'm just overlooking into it. There's a comment in your video a long time ago from a viewer who read the books. Said viewer mentioned that based on the books, Geralt had a shoulder injury. And if you let Geralt idle for a while in TW3 game, he starts moving his shoulders. It might imply something, or just simple movements in a game character. Oh, I've recently played the Next Gen game (after loosing 5 years worth of saved games due to a ransomware virus) and I noticed that you can actually trample over poultry and goat/lambs when riding Roach and loot them after. That's interestingly new to me.
Last time I did the quest, I went to Crach first and asked him about Hammond, then for some reason I had to reload a previous save and forgot to talk to him, and by the time I realized it was too late and I didn't want to replay however many hours I'd have to do, and Crach had nothing to say about ending his slave trade in that case.
Yeah, is bit complicated do Lambert's quest in the right and coherent narrative way, that's why many miss game content and even hurts the pace of the story, going back and forth between Novigrad and Skellige.
Interestingly enough, I've only completed this questline once, even though I've played through the game five times. I generally don't ignore quests, unless it's the ones I truly know by heart and that are somewhat "simpler" Even that one time that I did do these quests I.... Didn't exactly enjoy them, the travelling was particularly obnoxious
2:52 Anyone noticing the laundry in the back? Are those straps glued to those pants? I'd have thought you'd wrap them after putting on the pants and take them off before taking off the pants
I always just took this to mean that Lambert was lying to get revenge, but I never really looked into it either. Still a shame that so much is missing, rushed or overlooked, but at least we got to meet Lambert in the open world. Always wished there was a similar quest with Eskel, a monster hunt or lover’s (a succubus, knowing Eskel) squabble or whatnot
4:52 maybe in earlier versions of quest it might have been possible for Geralt to be decieved, depening how he obtained information of current status between Hammond and Karadin. Maybe even tied with "Flesh for Sale". 8:42 Karadin is a witcher, so he likely knew if these 2 witchers show up to kill him, they'll get him eventually. Might have bet everything on "changed man" act. Deadly Delights is also clearly missing some context IMO. Succubus claims self-defense, but if you did optional part to talk Guard's medic, he will claim killed guards were drained rather than burned. Similar issue with missing herbalist quest. Cannibals claim they'd starve otherwise, but their basement is not lacking in food. Can't call them out on lying.
I *LOVE* quests in this series where you never know if you did the right thing. I love looking at every detail to reach a conclusion, and discussing with people online about which choice is right. It's a real shame they botched this one, it would have made for a really interesting discussion. As it is, it's not really worth thinking about that hard.
Him telling the wife and kids to leave sounds to me like he was chosing self deletion by witcher, he left his entire destiny in the hands of them, told the truth and left it up to us if he deserved death or not. I think, except for Geralt's relying the letter, that the different versions of stuff was part of people lying and trying to lead you astray, I mean, I killed every single one of them because I wasn't doing the quest for justice or fairness but to help my lil' bro, and let him decide what to do with Karadin in the end. We chopped his head off.
Couldn't agree with you more. I always felt unsure and frustrated playing this quest. I really hoped they'd fix that. I was unaware that you could talk with Hammond. He only ever attacked me in all my playthroughs. Very frustrating. Also I always wondered how Lambert knew about the details of what happened to Aiden. Did he find his body and deduce what happened? There were no witnesses other than Karadin's lot, no?
@@abstractnonsense3253 hmm. Disappointing. I always end up going with what Geralt says, cause I figured it takes more effort to record voice than write a letter, so I put more weight on that. But I'm never happy
@@GeraltofRivia22 I don't know why they don't change it. The Witcher 3 is close to perfection. Fix the rushed quests, fix the difficulty scaling for higher levels, fix Roach, fix the remaining graphics bugs, and this game will be even closer to perfection.
For so long I thought I was the only one unsatisfied with this quest 😭 I always thought the ending was kinda anticlimactic and the quest just felt unfinished.
The clip at 11:30 just feels like a shitpost. From the fist fighting, dialogue, way he ragdolled, and that exasperated death scream made the man sound like he just climaxed. Truly a work of art
didnt lambert said he killed her or at least indicated it? btw. the gaunter o dimm body on the beach, can actually be found in skellige at the whale graveyard, also with the apple.
so nice to see a top quality video from you again. I have not done the research that you have done for this quest, obviusly, but i do remember being less than satisfied when it ended, felt all wrong and now I know why. Last playthrough i did of witcher 3 i did ALL the quest i was able to find, think it took me about 200hours to do. And i dont have to tell you how many of them are great, even the ones you only accedently stumble upon. But this here was really werid all togeather, didnt really matter what you did, and that felt all wrong when all the other quests are so great! Hope everything else is good with you and family and hope to see you soon =) gretings from norway
I agree this quest is so weird especially with how geralt can say "you can choose lambart" or something along those lines and then you instantly have to choose the outcome, btw yes the quest with hammond and crach is bugged, i returned for a reward like crach promised yet get no dialogue option to talk about Hammond
I ADORE this game, I've played a dozen completionist runs. But you can really tell (on subsequent playthroughs) that Act 3 is a lot weaker than the rest of the game, and they rushes to get things done. The assasination, the recruiting of the sorceresses felt rushed and weak, Avellach's girlfriend scene which has that cute moment of bonding with the family but then not much weight outside one more ticker on "what ending are you going to get". Then in act 1, there's the Devil's Pit and the missed Catriona Plague arc past Kira's quest. And glad I'm not crazy about the confusion about the whole Keridan questline, but I also feel like it onyl stands out because we love this game so much and go through EVERY detail.
I feel this quest was meant to be an experiment in the same vein as Open Sesame! from Hearts of Stone. It's a quest where Geralt isn't the main character and as a result, things fall apart quickly. It's Lambert's story and Geralt is just along for the ride to help him out, no matter how contradictory it gets and how insufficient your options are for gathering information. Geralt is a detective, while Lambert is a hitman on a revenge spree, details be damned.
I always choose to kill Karadin, he lies, he claims Aiden already had the money before the job was completed, but that goes against witcher code, they only accept payment after the job has been successfully completed
I think some of these contradiction made it better as we really have to think if we're going to kill the bugger or bot. I mean they definitely didn't make the quest for us to find plot holes in it. But yeah, i didn't really notice those plot holes before 😅
Honestly the guard's reaction is natural considering two witchers are sizing up to him but it's true, the developers could have made it better. Regarding Vien it always made sense to me that she vanishes as evidence of her indeed being Aiden's killer and thus would rather not die at the hands of his angry friend. Also didn't she complain that because of her elven race they never really treated her the same way, could be wrong though just can't remember, but this could explain why Karadin was weary of her. The rest don't seem like particularly clever people but a former Scoia'tael fighter does warrant caution. You are spot on about the slave trade contradiction, been trying to find a logical thread so many times and always just came empty. What also bugs me the most is that after the end it was Lambert who offered to talk about it instead of Geralt who logically should have sought after the truth. And Lebioda's name why was there never any connections between the Cat School witchers, you meet like two of them and never even a mention of one another, not even a letter.
I always thought that this quest just was never complete and they cut it very short. They could have removed it in my opinion, better quests have been cut from the game. Like with Reason of State, which was certainly further along, but the way they killed off Dijkstra was incredibly stupid. It was part of the way there, but it was missing the last 80% of the motive. There was really no reason to kill him. That was one quest marker that was rushed, basically. For Lambert's quest it was every quest marker. Like they asked the intern a few weeks before release to add another filler quest quick.
One thing that bothered me about this quest is that nothing really happens if you stop Lambert from killing Karadin. Sure, he's mad at you when the quest ends. (And tbh he wasn't half as mad as i thought he was going to be.) And the next time you meet him at Kaer Morhen, he behaves exactly the same as if you'd let him kill him. Would have hoped he'd have been slightly saltier for longer lol
Personally, I love this quest, even though I always feel annoyed when Geralt ignores the note that he has just read. It feels like it was cut severly, and it's a shame. That, and the fact that we don't have something similar with Eskel. It would be cool to join him on a little adventure. I love my witcher-brothers :D
I'm sure that he's a bad guy because he claims that "When he refused, tempers flared. Vienne, positioned as a sniper, lost her nerve. Hit Aiden square in the eye." and also "... we did not set out to kill him. we were *forced* to, when *he attacked us*." Sounds pretty typical of someone coming up with various excuses in the moment.
Went to like the video and seeing the time stamps and the outro iscertainly not boring❤ the first part includes one of my favourite aspects of the game
Personal least favorite quest is all about a couple of bugs that seem to happen a lot for me. The Little Red Riding Hood quest, repeatedly screws up, doesn't activate correctly or has the bad habit of the werewolf spawning under the ground, but yeah this was up there with the numerous problems and issues.
It certainly leaves many questions unasked, but the fact that he sends everyone away may speak also of an overconfidence in beating both Geralt and Lambert if it came to a fight...
As for Radovid quest, the quest is OK, the bad part is when Dijkstra thinks he can kill everyone, THATS the bad part, and probably the number 1 reason why the Dijkstra ending is so rare. My theory is that "Reason of State" involved Iorweth and maybe Saskia as well, and that part got completely cut out. There is no way in hell Dijkstra belived he could kill Geralt, Ves and Roche, no way. And it makes absolutely no sense at this point that Geralt would choose to just leave. On top of that is that i want to know what happened to Irina, why the theater was abandoned?
There is only one quest i always dread and its the forefathers eve quest. Velen is my least favorite region, although thats just because its designed well, velen is supposed to be depressing. By the time you finish the Kiera, Crones and Baron quests and all sidequests & monster hunt quests in the nearby villages you have been in Velen for so long and i just want to see some nice villages, lush greenery instead of mud and broken war equipment. Yet right before you can move on you have to help the pellar again and go to falk isle again, the most velen part of all velen 😂 Its a good quest, but man i always breathe a sigh of relief when i leave velen behind. Which was probably exactly how you are supposed to feel
Whenever I see the Witcher 3 and a negative description in the same sentence my immediate response is to attack like a mother bear protecting her young. But since this is Letalis I will hear him out.
Re: Radovid, the actual killing of Radovid was cool. Even Dijkstra's decision to stab Roche in the back was in character. It's the fact that he expected Geralt to just leave that ruined it. Well, that and his unceremonious death. It's sad because a few tiny tweaks would fix it. The celebration wraps up, and Geralt goes to leave. You get a cutscene of Geralt walking out the door, then his ears perk up as he hears something. He turns around and runs back to find Roche and his men fighting for their lives with Dijkstra up on the stage watching. Then and ONLY then does Dijkstra give his little speech and tell Geralt to leave. If you decide to help Roche, Dijkstra doesn't join in the fighting himself. Once you defeat his men, he tries to run away, but Geralt catches him. Maybe he begs for his life, maybe he pulls a Henselt and tells Geralt and Roche to eat shit. Maybe he gives one last speech about how Geralt has ruined the North's future. Then as Geralt is pondering whether to spare Dijkstra, Roche shoves a sword through his chest. They could even do a callback to the Henselt choice in The Witcher 2, where Geralt decided whether Roche should kill Henselt for raping Ves or spare him in the name of preserving the North. It could have been so cool. But that's a perennial problem of video game development. Since the end section is usually developed last, any time constraints tend to hit it the hardest.
I think karadin was involved in the slave trade up till a certain point but then felt guilty about it which is why they severed ties. Then when karadin hears of geralt and lambert coming to kill him he does not want anyone to get involved because he genuinely has feelings of guilt even if just subconsciously
Most games have dialogue/plot holes that leave one thinking, Muh ? The Witcher III was cleaner than the majority. Heard anything new about Witcher IV ?
I agree that there are tons of inconsistencies, it feels like there were two people designing on the quest, one working from the beginning towards the end, and one working from the end working towards the beginning. However, I assume that Lambert's and Karadin's versions of the story are both wrong, either due to bias or to outright lies.
I respectfully disagree. Keep in mind that Lambert's decision to kill Karadin was not at all based on Karadin's immoral trade but specifically was related to the murder of his friend, he did not come there to fight crime but to get his revenge. The video "Why You SHOULD Kill Jad Karadin - The Witcher Lore DISCUSSION" from Xith in my opinion explains this questline perfectly. :)
I don't have an issue with Lambert and Keradins stories being different. Lambert wasn't there and may not have gotten the correct story to tell Geralt. Then when Talking to Keradin Lambert wasn't in the mood to talk and didn't believe a word of it anyway. Which is a second possibility on different stories, Keradin was just lying about it. Regardless of the two possibilities Lambert not going after Vienne or following up on it still works, he believed he killed the right person or went along with Geralt and the matter is done. Plus he didn't want to talk about it anyway. As for Lambert bringing up slave trading, well he could have gotten bad information, Selyse may have just knew what Hammond told her and didn't know Keradin wanted nothing to do with it. Geralt not correcting him isn't a deal breaker, the slave trade detail just wasn't important enough to correct and since the letter says it is false he didn't bring it up when talking to Keradin nor did it factor into his decision. Was it sloppy to have contradictions? Without resolving them if they were intentional or if they were unintentional then yes. But they are resolvable.
I agree, Following the Thread quest has you running all over the place for very little reward. Although you can get the Triss gwent card if you play gwent with him after just murdering someone.
I don't think the guard letting Geralt and Lambert in is that weird. If two witchers approached me and demanded to be let it, I'd sh!t my pants and hold the door for them.
It's been a while since i last added my cents here, because lets just say that i literally couldn't press "F" to pay respects. No denying that this quest had some problems, but another strong contender for the worst Quest, based on the amount of Information you get, or rather lack thereoff, would be From a Land Far, Far away, which tries to establish some unseen outside Faction/Kingdom(?) with their own internal struggles that you never see or hear from ever again, culminating in the decision between some unknown Woman who may or may not be the kidnapper of the Boy (referred to as "Plaetyn") or a Warrior who could be the real kidnapper or an actual Protector, who knows?
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This is not an April Fools video
Also, here's a video from a viewer on how to get yourself inside his house early without console commands:
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Darnnit!
Indeed it was a good April fools video
Would be a bit late anyway
SUS sir 👀
Happy May fools!
i saw the title and quickly checked my calendar to make sure its not april first lol
Me too 😂
Jad Karadin: 'I don't aim to die.'
Also Jad Karadin: *dies immediately
😂
Geralt: Omai wa mo shindeiru
Literally
i was expecting so much more fight from him, like the witcher in the cave.
@@ischi6200 Tbf he was fighting a pissed off Lambert and Geralt, had no armor and presumably didn't fight for a while whereas witcher in the cave had a demon occupying him and presumably meditated relentlessly. He could use the bombs he had on him though that would be cool.
Radovids quest was very solid just before the very end.
Then bozo dickstra decided to just kill everyone for the dumbest reason. Then he got clapped lmao
Yeah he was "games of thrones final seasoned" in terms of character assasination.
God, yeah, why they did do it this way? Considering that Djikstra and his elite Redainian fighters got soloed by Geralt in the books now he's coming at him with a bunch of cutthroats while Geralt has two elite fighters alongside him
If Dijkstra had been in character he would have: (1) only acted after Geralt had left (2) sent wayyy more guards than he did and (3) left the scene immediately or not turned up at all. Any one of those reasonable things would have kept him alive but we're left with the brain-dead 4th option of "none of the above".
Dumpest reason? Roche basically sold out North to Nilfgard, assuming a leadership position with a murk of independence, Roches decision is the thing that is stupid, though Dijkstra should have dealt with these traitors in a much more intelligent way.
I consider his last move as death wish - selfdeletion via witcher in fact.
I don't particularly remember this quest, besides fighting young Arnold Schwarzenegger.
The one I remember being obnoxious is finding a drunken creature for some halflings, it took me an embarrassingly long time to find the trail across some water, which was mandatory to open the door I already guessed the monster was behind IIRC
What quest are you referring to? Doesn't really ring a bell.
@@genesisosunaafter some digging up in the wiki, turns out I was misremembering : it's honey and not alcohol that the creature was after - the quest is around Novigrad and the creature is a wild hunt hound
Since we seem to have run out of details we missed in W3, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that we your subscribers wouldn't mind you making videos on your opinions on various quests like this one (or maybe even all of them 😂) in Witcher 3, xLetalis. We always love more videos from you!
I do plan a Details Missed video for the 9th anniversary :D but it is sort of true! I'll keep that in mind
Not Reasons of State?
Edit: fair enough it’s too obvious
You make a lot of good points in this one, some of which I've tried to correct for on my own and still others I've never even thought about.
On the two closest ones being the two who don't know where he is, I always assumed Lund and Vienne actually knew where he was all along and just thought that whatever a couple witchers could do to them would pale in comparison to what Karadin might have done to them for outing him to an enemy (questions of reformed or not and whether Karadin or Lambert is telling the more accurate rendition of what happened to Aiden aside, he surely has to have some incredibly dark deeds in his history if he got someone like Hammond to see him as a superior). An alternative thought on Vienne in particular... it's entirely possible she's so fisstech'd out of her mind that she genuinely doesn't know because she's losing her grip on reality. I mean, did you look at that table? It looks like a blizzard hit it.
For Karadin's letter to Hammond, I was never able to find anything in it but I always assumed there had to be a secret code in there somewhere. After all, if Karadin was indeed living the double life of pretending to be a respectable merchant while continuing to do shady stuff with Hammond on the side, it'd be too much to risk to send him a letter with a straightforward message in it. It's a long way to Skellige and I'm sure that note passed through a few different hands along the way from Karadin's hands to Hammond's - hands that may have been controlled by a brain that may have been wondering what an upstanding member of the upper classes was doing exchanging letters with one of the vilest brutes in Skellige. Since I was never actually able to find a code, though, I ended up wondering if maybe it was something easily lost in translation, like maybe phrases used had a dual meaning in the original iteration or something like an acrostic cypher.
Also, I have somehow never once noticed that Karadin's wife has a sword and it blows my mind that I've never seen that. I've played that quest about 7 times myself and watched it being played at least another 4 and yet somehow that completely escaped my attention. It does seem reasonable to me, though, that regardless of whether Karadin is reformed or a liar, he'd have good reason to arm and train her to defend herself as needed.
While I do have to agree with you that there are plenty of issues that definitely put this in the running for worst quest, I still personally have a soft spot for it, because setting all those issues aside, I still enjoy the relationship building (or utter destruction, depending on how you play it) that you have with Lambert in this quest.
What I find most annoying about this quest is that it bugs the "Flesh for Sale" quest in Skellige. You receive this quest very early, and if you go to Skellige with it activated, you do not receive "Flesh for Sale". And if you have already completed "Flesh for Sale", you cannot fast travel to Trottheim, or it will not activate the initial conversation with the pirates, leaving the quest marker bugged, and forcing you to skip some points in the quest, going straight to the clearing on the mountain where Hammond is if you want to finish it.
And on top of that doing this quest too early makes you miss a quest on Faroe. As a completionist it bothered me a little when I found out about it after my first 100% playthrough that turned out to not be 100%...
What quest?
@@GabrielSouza-zb7pb I believe it's called 'Flesh for Sale' in english version
There are so many question mark quests that are so easy to miss that it's hard to do a true 100% playthrough without step by step instructions on the side lol
Never actually thought about that, now I look at this quest differently
It could have been a full finesse job. Lambert could have his own motives, using what we know as a cover story. Thank you, Xletalis.
That's kind of how I saw it. Lambert was out for blood and was fine with lying to Geralt to get what he wanted.
I noticed quit a bit of this when I played it, as well. Nice to finally have a video update!
I wonder how beauclair look like outside during lantern festival. It gives "Tangled" movie feels.
Always a pleasure, xLetalis.
the pleasure is mine
My main issue is, that it makes the quest where to free the slaves unaccessible, so i usually wait until after that to start it.
I agree that the pieces don't fit in this quest. I always kill Karadin because the way he presents himself doesn't feel genuine. It borders on creepy at points. Maybe that's what they were counting on here, that people wouldn't like/believe him. Or they were trying to make a quest that left you asking questions to the real story, but still there were too many loose ends and it wasn't satisfying. If you haven't played Gwent with Lambert yet, you can play right on the spot of Karadin's killing, which I found amusing.
What i think it is happening here is that we are missing an element, item, something, probably in Skillege. And the quest is bugged in a way Geralt reverts to tells Lambert the story as if we found it.
That may also explain some of the missing dialog choices too, simply put, i think we are missing something.
As for Karadin, he is lying, he is expecting someone that wants revenge and still dosent get the wife and kids to leave the place inmidiatelly? no way. The wife dosent say anything, she is looking down, the kids arent doing anything just standing there.
If Karadin was telling the truth he would have told the wife to leave inmidiatelly with the kids, and instead he used them to try to convince Lambert and Geralt. Ge'els cared more about his model than Karadin cared of his family.
Also he were close to Lund and Vienne, to the point he at least learn one of the two got killed. Otherwise how did he knew?
You can find Hammond before meeting Lambert the first time? either before starting the quest, or right after starting it.
Eveyone knows that the worst quest for The Witcher 3 is the one with the twins, the only instance in life where you get blue balled even if you are alone lol
The var Attres? If I recall correctly, Rosa was originally supposed to be romanceable, but they changed it. I find it a nice narrative choice, to be honest. You think things are going in the romance direction, but then she shows an ugly side, Geralt rebukes her, and she gets pissed off and leaves. That's how it goes in life, sometimes.
Also, I'm pretty sure she's a teenager, so....
What? Not the sleepy dwarf? Or the pellars goat?
In the mission with the vampire..watch the cut scene..lambert uses axii ..you can see him use the sign..that’s why the guards let you both in
The elf was a drunk . Everyone else was lying. They are afraid of Karadin. 😂 Remember: Karadin is a Rogue Witcher (from the school of the cat).
I love the Radovid quest just for Dijkstra citing one of my favorite lines from Shakespeare.
Hey xLetalis, I noticed a little detail with the saddle that Gaunter O'Dimm gives you, and it came when I was fighting bandits at Fox Hollow in Toussaint. When ome of the bandits came close to Roach with the saddle on, the bandit got attacked by Roach by some fire attack from the looks of it. The Bandit wasn't behind Roach, he was on the side of Roach.
Edit: There was also an Axii affect too. And it happened the same way it did with the fire damage affect.
Great video. A very perceptive explanation which makes me rethink about this quest and other Witcher 3 quests as a whole.
Anyway, there's something that I want to point out. Maybe somebody else had pointed it out before, but maybe I'm just overlooking into it. There's a comment in your video a long time ago from a viewer who read the books. Said viewer mentioned that based on the books, Geralt had a shoulder injury. And if you let Geralt idle for a while in TW3 game, he starts moving his shoulders. It might imply something, or just simple movements in a game character.
Oh, I've recently played the Next Gen game (after loosing 5 years worth of saved games due to a ransomware virus) and I noticed that you can actually trample over poultry and goat/lambs when riding Roach and loot them after. That's interestingly new to me.
Dude, that quest was so strangely written that I was convinced that Lambert was gay and was in love with Aiden.
Time for a tierlist of all the quests.
Well, in such a huge masterpiece, something would end up not being perfect. But we still enjoy these parts too😁. Keep up the amazing job
xLetalis💜!!!
5:17 did ciri just look at me?
Last time I did the quest, I went to Crach first and asked him about Hammond, then for some reason I had to reload a previous save and forgot to talk to him, and by the time I realized it was too late and I didn't want to replay however many hours I'd have to do, and Crach had nothing to say about ending his slave trade in that case.
Yeah, is bit complicated do Lambert's quest in the right and coherent narrative way, that's why many miss game content and even hurts the pace of the story, going back and forth between Novigrad and Skellige.
Interestingly enough, I've only completed this questline once, even though I've played through the game five times. I generally don't ignore quests, unless it's the ones I truly know by heart and that are somewhat "simpler"
Even that one time that I did do these quests I.... Didn't exactly enjoy them, the travelling was particularly obnoxious
2:52 Anyone noticing the laundry in the back? Are those straps glued to those pants? I'd have thought you'd wrap them after putting on the pants and take them off before taking off the pants
heh, nice catch
I always just took this to mean that Lambert was lying to get revenge, but I never really looked into it either. Still a shame that so much is missing, rushed or overlooked, but at least we got to meet Lambert in the open world. Always wished there was a similar quest with Eskel, a monster hunt or lover’s (a succubus, knowing Eskel) squabble or whatnot
The bounty for Hammond seems fixed. Atleast I got it just yesterday from Crach on Cerys coronation.
Great to have you back so soon. 👍🏻
4:52 maybe in earlier versions of quest it might have been possible for Geralt to be decieved, depening how he obtained information of current status between Hammond and Karadin. Maybe even tied with "Flesh for Sale".
8:42 Karadin is a witcher, so he likely knew if these 2 witchers show up to kill him, they'll get him eventually. Might have bet everything on "changed man" act.
Deadly Delights is also clearly missing some context IMO. Succubus claims self-defense, but if you did optional part to talk Guard's medic, he will claim killed guards were drained rather than burned.
Similar issue with missing herbalist quest. Cannibals claim they'd starve otherwise, but their basement is not lacking in food. Can't call them out on lying.
good points
I *LOVE* quests in this series where you never know if you did the right thing. I love looking at every detail to reach a conclusion, and discussing with people online about which choice is right.
It's a real shame they botched this one, it would have made for a really interesting discussion. As it is, it's not really worth thinking about that hard.
0:16 Ah here it is, xLetalis's signature intro where he is fighting an army of Yennefers
"he spent his pay so we asked for his swords" yeah how did you expect that to go that he would just give his swords?
Him telling the wife and kids to leave sounds to me like he was chosing self deletion by witcher, he left his entire destiny in the hands of them, told the truth and left it up to us if he deserved death or not. I think, except for Geralt's relying the letter, that the different versions of stuff was part of people lying and trying to lead you astray, I mean, I killed every single one of them because I wasn't doing the quest for justice or fairness but to help my lil' bro, and let him decide what to do with Karadin in the end.
We chopped his head off.
Couldn't agree with you more. I always felt unsure and frustrated playing this quest. I really hoped they'd fix that. I was unaware that you could talk with Hammond. He only ever attacked me in all my playthroughs. Very frustrating. Also I always wondered how Lambert knew about the details of what happened to Aiden. Did he find his body and deduce what happened? There were no witnesses other than Karadin's lot, no?
indeed
If they haven't fixed the last quest of the Radovid elimination arc, they won't fix this one. Which is a shame.
@@abstractnonsense3253 hmm. Disappointing. I always end up going with what Geralt says, cause I figured it takes more effort to record voice than write a letter, so I put more weight on that. But I'm never happy
@@abstractnonsense3253 the next gen update was a huge disappointment. They fixed none of the rushed quests.
@@GeraltofRivia22 I don't know why they don't change it. The Witcher 3 is close to perfection. Fix the rushed quests, fix the difficulty scaling for higher levels, fix Roach, fix the remaining graphics bugs, and this game will be even closer to perfection.
The guard was Axiied by Lambert. You can see for his gesture he was doing something and Geralt noted.
The best part of Radovid's assassination quest is Philipa Eilhart 😊
yes!
For so long I thought I was the only one unsatisfied with this quest 😭 I always thought the ending was kinda anticlimactic and the quest just felt unfinished.
The clip at 11:30 just feels like a shitpost. From the fist fighting, dialogue, way he ragdolled, and that exasperated death scream made the man sound like he just climaxed. Truly a work of art
didnt lambert said he killed her or at least indicated it?
btw. the gaunter o dimm body on the beach, can actually be found in skellige at the whale graveyard, also with the apple.
so nice to see a top quality video from you again. I have not done the research that you have done for this quest, obviusly, but i do remember being less than satisfied when it ended, felt all wrong and now I know why. Last playthrough i did of witcher 3 i did ALL the quest i was able to find, think it took me about 200hours to do. And i dont have to tell you how many of them are great, even the ones you only accedently stumble upon. But this here was really werid all togeather, didnt really matter what you did, and that felt all wrong when all the other quests are so great!
Hope everything else is good with you and family and hope to see you soon =)
gretings from norway
I agree this quest is so weird especially with how geralt can say "you can choose lambart" or something along those lines and then you instantly have to choose the outcome, btw yes the quest with hammond and crach is bugged, i returned for a reward like crach promised yet get no dialogue option to talk about Hammond
I ADORE this game, I've played a dozen completionist runs. But you can really tell (on subsequent playthroughs) that Act 3 is a lot weaker than the rest of the game, and they rushes to get things done. The assasination, the recruiting of the sorceresses felt rushed and weak, Avellach's girlfriend scene which has that cute moment of bonding with the family but then not much weight outside one more ticker on "what ending are you going to get". Then in act 1, there's the Devil's Pit and the missed Catriona Plague arc past Kira's quest. And glad I'm not crazy about the confusion about the whole Keridan questline, but I also feel like it onyl stands out because we love this game so much and go through EVERY detail.
An xLetalis "The Worst" video pops up, thats not on April 1st? That will be interesting😄
you mean that's not? :)
@@xLetalis Yeah, just a typo 😅
I feel this quest was meant to be an experiment in the same vein as Open Sesame! from Hearts of Stone. It's a quest where Geralt isn't the main character and as a result, things fall apart quickly. It's Lambert's story and Geralt is just along for the ride to help him out, no matter how contradictory it gets and how insufficient your options are for gathering information. Geralt is a detective, while Lambert is a hitman on a revenge spree, details be damned.
3:25 she ends up in a mindflayer pod with implanted memories, then annoying you for an entire campaign ...
I always choose to kill Karadin, he lies, he claims Aiden already had the money before the job was completed, but that goes against witcher code, they only accept payment after the job has been successfully completed
I think some of these contradiction made it better as we really have to think if we're going to kill the bugger or bot. I mean they definitely didn't make the quest for us to find plot holes in it. But yeah, i didn't really notice those plot holes before 😅
Honestly the guard's reaction is natural considering two witchers are sizing up to him but it's true, the developers could have made it better. Regarding Vien it always made sense to me that she vanishes as evidence of her indeed being Aiden's killer and thus would rather not die at the hands of his angry friend. Also didn't she complain that because of her elven race they never really treated her the same way, could be wrong though just can't remember, but this could explain why Karadin was weary of her. The rest don't seem like particularly clever people but a former Scoia'tael fighter does warrant caution. You are spot on about the slave trade contradiction, been trying to find a logical thread so many times and always just came empty. What also bugs me the most is that after the end it was Lambert who offered to talk about it instead of Geralt who logically should have sought after the truth. And Lebioda's name why was there never any connections between the Cat School witchers, you meet like two of them and never even a mention of one another, not even a letter.
Where is the map at 3:00 from? Gotta be one the best Witcher maps I've ever seen!
popped up on google images
I always thought that this quest just was never complete and they cut it very short. They could have removed it in my opinion, better quests have been cut from the game.
Like with Reason of State, which was certainly further along, but the way they killed off Dijkstra was incredibly stupid. It was part of the way there, but it was missing the last 80% of the motive. There was really no reason to kill him. That was one quest marker that was rushed, basically.
For Lambert's quest it was every quest marker. Like they asked the intern a few weeks before release to add another filler quest quick.
One thing that bothered me about this quest is that nothing really happens if you stop Lambert from killing Karadin. Sure, he's mad at you when the quest ends. (And tbh he wasn't half as mad as i thought he was going to be.) And the next time you meet him at Kaer Morhen, he behaves exactly the same as if you'd let him kill him. Would have hoped he'd have been slightly saltier for longer lol
Djikstras end left really bad taste in my mouth after all that build up
So glad I'm not the only person who was frustrated by this mess of a quest.
I chose not to kill him on my 1st playthrough because I didn't want to do it with the kids nearby.
Personally, I love this quest, even though I always feel annoyed when Geralt ignores the note that he has just read. It feels like it was cut severly, and it's a shame. That, and the fact that we don't have something similar with Eskel. It would be cool to join him on a little adventure. I love my witcher-brothers :D
I'm sure that he's a bad guy because he claims that "When he refused, tempers flared. Vienne, positioned as a sniper, lost her nerve. Hit Aiden square in the eye." and also "... we did not set out to kill him. we were *forced* to, when *he attacked us*." Sounds pretty typical of someone coming up with various excuses in the moment.
Went to like the video and seeing the time stamps and the outro iscertainly not boring❤ the first part includes one of my favourite aspects of the game
Bro's content never ends... 👍🏻🐐
4:19 I just finished that quest yesterday. It worked perfectly, and I even got the reward..😃
Personal least favorite quest is all about a couple of bugs that seem to happen a lot for me. The Little Red Riding Hood quest, repeatedly screws up, doesn't activate correctly or has the bad habit of the werewolf spawning under the ground, but yeah this was up there with the numerous problems and issues.
Holy cow the wife is WEARING A SWORD! I would never have noticed.
Also great vid as always
It certainly leaves many questions unasked, but the fact that he sends everyone away may speak also of an overconfidence in beating both Geralt and Lambert if it came to a fight...
Huh.. I have played through TW3 and the DLCs like 8 times by now, but I had no idea Crach had a quest regarding Hammond
I've never seen this quest. Also i somehow missed to kill Radovid
Did the quest like 2 weeks ago, was able to get the reward from Crach
In my first playthrough i managed to miss this quest somehow.
Sorry I replaied and laughed when you hit your hand 😂
It is so weird yet so funny that you kept it in the video 😊
i do not intend to die ... *crickets*
As for Radovid quest, the quest is OK, the bad part is when Dijkstra thinks he can kill everyone, THATS the bad part, and probably the number 1 reason why the Dijkstra ending is so rare. My theory is that "Reason of State" involved Iorweth and maybe Saskia as well, and that part got completely cut out. There is no way in hell Dijkstra belived he could kill Geralt, Ves and Roche, no way. And it makes absolutely no sense at this point that Geralt would choose to just leave. On top of that is that i want to know what happened to Irina, why the theater was abandoned?
NEVER STOP SELLING CIRI
Ciri with that sign is hilarious 😂
She looks a bit cute, actually
What armor is Geralt wearing in the cutscenes with Karadin?
Lambert's attitude low-key annoys me and it doesn't seem to me like Karadin really meant to kill Aiden, so I always let him live
Yeah, there are some deleted/ unfinished quests... this seems to be one of them
There is only one quest i always dread and its the forefathers eve quest. Velen is my least favorite region, although thats just because its designed well, velen is supposed to be depressing.
By the time you finish the Kiera, Crones and Baron quests and all sidequests & monster hunt quests in the nearby villages you have been in Velen for so long and i just want to see some nice villages, lush greenery instead of mud and broken war equipment. Yet right before you can move on you have to help the pellar again and go to falk isle again, the most velen part of all velen 😂
Its a good quest, but man i always breathe a sigh of relief when i leave velen behind. Which was probably exactly how you are supposed to feel
Whenever I see the Witcher 3 and a negative description in the same sentence my immediate response is to attack like a mother bear protecting her young. But since this is Letalis I will hear him out.
Re: Radovid, the actual killing of Radovid was cool. Even Dijkstra's decision to stab Roche in the back was in character. It's the fact that he expected Geralt to just leave that ruined it. Well, that and his unceremonious death.
It's sad because a few tiny tweaks would fix it. The celebration wraps up, and Geralt goes to leave. You get a cutscene of Geralt walking out the door, then his ears perk up as he hears something. He turns around and runs back to find Roche and his men fighting for their lives with Dijkstra up on the stage watching. Then and ONLY then does Dijkstra give his little speech and tell Geralt to leave.
If you decide to help Roche, Dijkstra doesn't join in the fighting himself. Once you defeat his men, he tries to run away, but Geralt catches him. Maybe he begs for his life, maybe he pulls a Henselt and tells Geralt and Roche to eat shit. Maybe he gives one last speech about how Geralt has ruined the North's future. Then as Geralt is pondering whether to spare Dijkstra, Roche shoves a sword through his chest. They could even do a callback to the Henselt choice in The Witcher 2, where Geralt decided whether Roche should kill Henselt for raping Ves or spare him in the name of preserving the North.
It could have been so cool. But that's a perennial problem of video game development. Since the end section is usually developed last, any time constraints tend to hit it the hardest.
I think karadin was involved in the slave trade up till a certain point but then felt guilty about it which is why they severed ties. Then when karadin hears of geralt and lambert coming to kill him he does not want anyone to get involved because he genuinely has feelings of guilt even if just subconsciously
Most games have dialogue/plot holes that leave one thinking, Muh ? The Witcher III was cleaner than the majority. Heard anything new about Witcher IV ?
this was actually one of my favourite quests in the game.
Personally speaking, I was able to claim the reward from Crach using the next-gen edition on PS5.
I agree that there are tons of inconsistencies, it feels like there were two people designing on the quest, one working from the beginning towards the end, and one working from the end working towards the beginning. However, I assume that Lambert's and Karadin's versions of the story are both wrong, either due to bias or to outright lies.
I respectfully disagree.
Keep in mind that Lambert's decision to kill Karadin was not at all based on Karadin's immoral trade but specifically was related to the murder of his friend, he did not come there to fight crime but to get his revenge.
The video "Why You SHOULD Kill Jad Karadin - The Witcher Lore DISCUSSION" from Xith in my opinion explains this questline perfectly. :)
maybe two witchers is more scarier and psychologically pushing than one😂
Lambert rolled for intimidation with advantage.
I played this quest yesterday 😅
whos that guy in red dress at 8:58 i dont remember him
Carduin - He's from the Witcher 2, can be found near Radovid's ship under the right circumstances
Lambert could be lying on purpose just to get revenge
I don't have an issue with Lambert and Keradins stories being different. Lambert wasn't there and may not have gotten the correct story to tell Geralt. Then when Talking to Keradin Lambert wasn't in the mood to talk and didn't believe a word of it anyway. Which is a second possibility on different stories, Keradin was just lying about it. Regardless of the two possibilities Lambert not going after Vienne or following up on it still works, he believed he killed the right person or went along with Geralt and the matter is done. Plus he didn't want to talk about it anyway.
As for Lambert bringing up slave trading, well he could have gotten bad information, Selyse may have just knew what Hammond told her and didn't know Keradin wanted nothing to do with it. Geralt not correcting him isn't a deal breaker, the slave trade detail just wasn't important enough to correct and since the letter says it is false he didn't bring it up when talking to Keradin nor did it factor into his decision. Was it sloppy to have contradictions? Without resolving them if they were intentional or if they were unintentional then yes. But they are resolvable.
I agree, Following the Thread quest has you running all over the place for very little reward. Although you can get the Triss gwent card if you play gwent with him after just murdering someone.
Not a bad quest at all, you just took everything at face value
I don't think the guard letting Geralt and Lambert in is that weird. If two witchers approached me and demanded to be let it, I'd sh!t my pants and hold the door for them.
he just want to be the first witcher to splooge in his own bed
5:20 For the love of god and Geralt
What armor is that in the video? I never saw it playing the game
It's been a while since i last added my cents here, because lets just say that i literally couldn't press "F" to pay respects.
No denying that this quest had some problems, but another strong contender for the worst Quest, based on the amount of Information you get, or rather lack thereoff, would be From a Land Far, Far away, which tries to establish some unseen outside Faction/Kingdom(?) with their own internal struggles that you never see or hear from ever again, culminating in the decision between some unknown Woman who may or may not be the kidnapper of the Boy (referred to as "Plaetyn") or a Warrior who could be the real kidnapper or an actual Protector, who knows?
that's a good point