So now he's been ARRESTED...! The plot thickens eh?! Watch the 2nd video. Oh, and hit subscribe, we'll see what happens next. ruclips.net/video/RbnW4TCY9aE/видео.html
The plot hasn’t thickened. Anyone who understands anything about cars knew this would be either sabotage by the driver because they thought they wound get 5 minutes of fame from the anti EV brigade or a stupid mistake by a stupid driver maybe going confused with the pedals or the cruise control or foot mat catching. How embarrassing for you all 😂
Agree! Geoff did an excellent interview. I was watching his viewing figure go up constantly throughout the interview and hoped he would reach 10,000 before the end. He did! Viewings still rising.
his i pace, apparently, accelerated out of control, and his speed went up and down, yet didnt trigger its regen braking, then his foot brakes failed and then he couldnt get it into neutral, yet, by coincidence, once a police car was in front of him, he got it into neutral like "MAGIC" and it slowed down, he could have easily, turned his EV OFF by just using the stop/start switch.
@@organickevinlondon and what happens at 100mph if you are able to turn off the EV? Does it coast to a stop, does it apply the parking brake immediately?
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r it would be equal to doing an emergency stop, but hey, Big Brother "winner?" Craig Phillips who was "driving???" this i pace, wouldnt have done that as it wouldnt earn him "brownie points" on his Tik Tok channel.
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r hm, and what happens when, yer wife, mother and or daughter(s) start questioning you, about indirectly funding that vile female Human Rights abusing regime in Saudi Arabia, EVERY TIME that YOU fill up.
Perhaps it is. Or alternatively, it could be allowing a liar to spin his yarn unabated and unchallenged, simply because the story happens to fit whatever agenda/bias exists. I wonder which will prove to be to be true?
This is how news should be communicated. Geoff added no obvious bias, let the driver tell us anything he thought relevant to tell us, and Geoff asked good, sleuthing questions, without trying to push the story one way or another. That pretty much never happens any more on TV, radio or newsprint / online. It’s all so horribly managed that I don’t miss mainstream lies. Nice one, GBC!
A proper jackanory episode with no facts, just conjecture that is implausible. So, a car goes out of control, the brakes don't work...and the police don't check the car for corroboration of the drivers story.
@@David-bl1bt Did you see a different episode to me? Facts were car wont stop, police involved, no charges against the driver, 2nd time it happened, Police not releasing the car, reported in mainstream media. I bet you are one of these flat earthers who believe nothing 😂😂😂😂
All EVs need, by law, to have an EPO switch in easy reach of the driver. This needs to be A) mechanical and B) able to cut out the main battery. EPO stands for Emergency Power Off.
I was thinking the same and thought surely they have these. A bit like on rally/race cars on the outside for the marshalls to kill all electric from the 12v battery supply.
Nathan's experience of Jaguar software diagnostics sounds a lot like the Post Office and Horizon. We are entering a world where "Computer says no" has become judge and jury.
Talking of the post office scandal, check out what Gary Waterman has uncovered, (he's on you tube,) about companies House and fraud on a worldwide scale, its massive
I own a big CNC machine tool . It will run an automatic program without any user input. This machine comes fitted with a big red button on the panel which can be smashed at any time to STOP the machine dead in its tracks. This is clearly understood in industry.
Or consider that automated work stations in a factory are required to be surrounded by cages with entry gates connected to off swtiches - all so that operators can be kept at a safe distance from automated machinery. Why is there a different law for road users?
All the lathes and scraper’s where I did my time all had big red back up kill switches in addition to the on/off switch. And that was back in the ‘70’s. Australia
I also own big machine tools and was thinking the same thing. All electric cars should be legally required to have an e-stop switch that is directly connected to a chunky contactor that controls the main battery supply to the rest of the car. Cheap and simple to implement and really shouldn't not have taken something like this to happen for it to be given consideration. Likewise any IC car that cannot be easily stopped in a fault state due to electronic handbrakes and gear changes etc should also be required to have an equivalent cut off system
One Cincinnati 3-axis machine with Heidenhain 430 control had some weird electrical issue, where the X-axis sometimes started to creep. Like it could randomly just start to move. When that first time happened while I was working on it, I automatically pushed the emergency stop. I was literally stunned, looking the table move, I could not believe that the big red button didn’t work. Co-worker shouted to quickly run behind the machine and switch mains off before the table would crawl to the floor trough the side window 😅
@@StreetMotionUKAs I understand it all EV’s have a “kill switch” BUT it’s under the bonnet for emergency service to disconnect the battery in the event of an accident, not much use if you are being driven flat out and refuses to stop.
They have, it's called z mechanical braking system that is unconnected with the electric drivetrain. His claim that the brakes would work is nonsense, they have dual circuit for this very reason. The driver is incompetent.
Really! Did you listen to what he said? He was driving at around 90-100mph on the motorway, and had NO brakes. Pressing the brake pedal had no effect. Yet the police wanted him to follow them off the motorway and onto normal roads. In the end, they managed to stop him because he ran out of range. Yes, well done for ensuring a clear path along the motorway, but not for stopping him.
@@seanswilson I recon that was down to the 999 operator as they were the conduit. The operator on the first occasion clearly was switched on.. the second one seemed to be a bit of a numpty.
@@marksapolloIn this day and age, why does that not surprise me. Have a driver speak to an operator who then passes the message to the police car inches in front of him. You'd think they could patch him through.
INSANE!!! With all the controls being electronically operated, 1) Could NOT put the car in neutral 2) Could NOT apply the brakes 3) Could NOT turn the car off. (Was it a hacker?) THAT'S what you get with all this technology. DRIVE BY WIRE they said. It's much better they said. In my ICE 2007 Accent, MANUAL, if the engine goes rogue, I simply apply the clutch, slip it into neutral and brake safely to the side of the road. No police intervention, No high speed runs risking people's lives. Nothing. PLUS. almost ZERO risk of catching fire unexpectedly. "Ice Ice Baby!!"
Even on my '13 Mazda 3, the start/stop is by computer control but it's always allowed me to kill the engine by hitting the button 3 times. If that would fail, the brakes will overpower the engine, and failing that, I have a mechanical shifter to put it in neutral.
@M-se5of Exactly, the car will be worthless now, Jaguar should issue a full refund as it's not fit for purpose. The brakes are obviously drive by wire and why they had no effect.
Shame matey didn't say 1st time, "so there's nothing wrong with it, can you take it for a drive up the motorway and if I don't here back I assume you found the fault🤔
Imagine that happening on the roads here in Soviet Wales. Six times the speed limit. Drakeford would be foaming at the mouth and demanding 10mph limits.
Soviet wales! Thats spot on im gonna start using that, mark dickford the man who couldnt drive his own finger up his arse deciding the rules of the road😂
He needs to get a solicitor for a civil claim and not let Jaguar anywhere near the vehicle before getting legal advice, they will try and cover it up. Also need to speak to someone about impact on his mental health, no doubt will end up with PTSD.
Absolutely PTSD, I was getting jittery just listening to his story - I can only imagine the sheer horror that Nathan was going through. Sadly he will be reliving his ordeal over & over for a long time. Trauma doesn't end, it just fades until something retriggers it.
@@noelward8047 what a stupid reply. 🙄 If there really is a problem with a motor vehicle there is a long established process of fault finding, checking and resolving issues. As far as I know JLR have not been taken to task about failures with the I-pace brakes or throttle systems. But should a user find themselves unable to resolve an issue there are again, well established processes to go through to get recourse. The reason it is not happening is that unintended acceleration is a well known phenomenon - long before EVs - and confused drivers aren't able to claim from the manufacturer for their own mistakes.
Today (13 March) "Following an investigation by officers a 31-year-old man from Bolton was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance. He has been taken into police custody for questioning." 🤣
I was in an electric Abarth recently and to be fair there was a conventional mechanical handle positioned very low down in addition to the electric button towards the top. Surely any car with electric release would also have the conventional over ride? In which case why bother with electric release..
I saw another video that covered this issue in Tesla's. Apparently some models have manual emergency door handles ( not all years in any model though), but they are buried away and most owners don't know they exist. The guy was imploring Tesla owners to find them and have any tools needed to operate or access them to be kept inside the car in an easily accessible place. There have been several incidences of people getting locked in when the battery failed and at least one person died in a fire when he couldn't get out. The windows are very tough as well (cybertruck reputed bullet proof), so don't expect to be able to kick them out if you want to leave in a hurry
@@Dilbert-o5k All Model 3s since first production in 2018 have the front emergency door opening levers in such an easy to find location that most passengers pull that lever first to get out before you teach them which button to press next time. As far as I'm aware it's pretty obvious on each model for the front seats. Those cases where people in front seats burned alive after hitting a tree at speed, they had also been drinking, so who knows what injuries they had or what state they were in to be able to open a door using the very obvious manual release lever? People also burn alive in petrol cars, so this is not exclusive to EVs. Like many cars these days, the Tesla rear seats have electric door open actuators and electric child locks, so it's not so easy for kids to accidentally on purpose open the door without parental permission. The manual release lever is usually hidden behind the speaker grille or under the side storage floor mat.
I have a Nio ES6 in China, this has backup mechanical door release levers inside door pockets. External handles are retracted but can be extended by pressing one end of the handle.
In a statement, Jaguar Land Rover said: "Following a detailed investigation in partnership with the Merseyside Police and other authorities, we understand an individual has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance, relating to the incident on the M62 on Wednesday, March 6th."
JLR sent a team of engineers up to inspect my i-Pace and “didn’t find anything”, but strangely it started working after they replaced the brake booster unit and power unit. I love the car but it’s been like playing Russian Roulette driving it.
Google the Question: Did a Tesla speed up on its own in China? - Answer: A Tesla Model Y reportedly accelerated on its own, speeding out of control, and eventually crashed at the end of a 2.6-km (1.6-mile) mad race. Based on their testimony, the driver wrestled to regain control of the car during the entire trip, but the brakes did not respond. Feb 20, 2023. Strength! GODspeed!
There was a similar incident involving a Tesla from the United States in Florida 1-2 years ago. There’s a news video of it if you do a search. I recall everyone in the car perished. The accident was reported as reckless driving 🤔 but things don’t add up. Another one in Canada where a Tesla crashed into a house. These incidents are probably happening all around the world and mostly are swept under the rug.
I would post the links but RUclips is temperamental about it. I also found more incidents than I expected. Additional EV crashes from Paris & Columbus,Ohio USA. Lots of unanswered questions about the cause? Could be a future Geoff video of all the similar EV incidents/accidents worldwide that have unanswered questions?
When the Tesla accident in Paris occurred, I am not certain but recall the manufacturer as a first comment stated they had checked the data and it was found to be the drivers fault. I am not sure how that data can be objectively verified or is trustworthy.
@PointNemo9 The start/stop button. The brakes not working (they'd bring it to a stop before brake fade) even without electrical assistance. Jag letting it back out, The insurance company still covering it. Him driving it again after this happened. The neutral button only working after pressing it hard. 80/90 mph, why wouldn't it be at top speed? No law suit. Were the brakes glowing red hot? Cruise control. Etc etc
@@baronvonhoughton I’ve experienced similar issues but not in such dramatic fashion. There but for the grace of etc. Electrical units had to be swapped out more than once after 4 years of ongoing issues. JLR will never admit liability. Although the car is beautiful to drive when working, it has serious flaws. Such as being immobilised if the 12V battery discharges, even if the main battery is fully charged. JLR only took action after I wrote a letter of complaint to their Managing Director.
@@baronvonhoughtonyou’re spot on. For over 20 years accelerators have been electrical and applying the brakes will override any accelerator input. This is the case for EV’s and ICE vehicles too.
I'm not being at all flippant here, however, should Jaguar rename this gentleman's car 'Christine'? Hope is experience with his ICE Range Rover restores his confidence in vehicles.
Funny marketing strategy by JLR. Have their Jag cars without driver control, then give away a Range Rover in it's place. About the only way anyone would have one, would be to get it for 'free'.
Jag sent the car back when they couldn't find the problem? You need the Blackbelt Barrister. It is an offence to supply a vehicle to that is not roadworthy, unless it is clearly marked as spares/repair or such. This is not limited to sales, if you take a car to a garage and for whatever reason, do not to have (necessary) work done, if the garage knows that vehicle is not roadworthy, they commit an offence if they let someone drive it away. Now just because Jaaag couldn't find the fault, it does not mean the car was not faulty. Nor did they say so, they didn't say, the car's fine, they said "we can't FIND the problem". There's no denying the car had a fault, it was just alluding them, if they let you drive on the road with that knowledge, they committed an offence.
They presumably ran the standard tests, couldnt find any obvious fault and possibly assumed driver error. It may be an intermitant fault, for example a loose connection to a sensor that only becomes a problem when its jolted at speed by an object in the road or a software fault. Whatever it is its rare.
VW did the same with us 20 yrs ago, claimed they'd never seen the problem before except we started talking to other VW owners of the same brand same year with identical problem.
I work at Jaguar. This isnt a software issue. Its rain water getting in from the front windscreen soaking the footwell and getting into the electrics. Jaguar are fully aware of this issue but they are not going to be admitting it untill alot more are effecting just like vauxhall did with the zafiras when they were catching on fire vauxhall denied it too. This is going to cost jaguar around 600 million pounds. hes completely innocent ive seen 6 in the workshop all same faults. All wintertime too heavy rain yet summer no issues.. somebody is going to die before jaguar recall them due to rain getting in.. hes completely innocent he needs to not only sue jaguar but sue the police for wrongful arrest and he needs to tell the police check the front window screen for leaks entering they will find wet electrics and prove his case
It needs a major investigation drive cycle data pulled from modules rolling road the car to attempt to create fault again diagnosing why it’s creating the fault a recall across the models to investigate and write off that poor blokes car it’s a death sentence period
Glad i saw this. Jaguar sent me an email today offering some really good deals. That email is now in the trash. Surely nobody will buy an electric Jaguar after this. I mean if they gave you one free of charge would you dare drive it. What if he had been in a city centre on Saturday
Today (13 March) "Following an investigation by officers a 31-year-old man from Bolton was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance. He has been taken into police custody for questioning." 🤣
@@FFVoyager Taken into custody. Is this because he's lying and led police on a merry chase or because Jaguar are lying and the police are helping cover for them?
I love how he managed to navigate a roundabout safely at 120mph. Oh, and he managed to get it into neutral when the police arrived. Oh, and how come he "kept hitting 120"? Surely if it was stuck in top gear and full throttle he would have been doing 120 all the time? Oh, and the garage couldn't find a problem...pmsl.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne I think EV's are a complete scam, just need to get that out there first as otherwise people will not understand my main comment. I think there's a lot of holes in this guys evidence, as you mentioned, the roundabout with lights at 120mph? He kept on speeding up and hitting the back of the police car too! So I am guessing Geoff should have asked him to explain what was controlling the varying speeds of his car as it clearly wasn't stuck at 120mph! Also his range at 120mph, bearing in mind that is 2 miles per minute, his 50 miles would have expired long before his phone call to the police! But I really hope it is a case of him not being a scientific type and just didn't explain himself clearly. One other anomaly from his conversation was why didn't the police impound the car the first time? Surely they would have needed to investigate how their cars ended up smashed by an out of control EV? So please Geoff, if you could try and get answers to these questions from a
@rogerblackwood8815 yep, jacksnory time, nothing he says is credible. The car has a neutral, exactly the same as every other car on the planet, so why didn't he select it? ALL cars have MECHANICAL BRAKES, nothing to do with whatever the drivetrain happens to be, and braking systems have been dual circuit for decades for this very reason, one circuit fails, there is a backup. This guy is either a complete numpty with zero braincells or he was smoking something. He should be banned off the road, he is a danger to himself and other road users.
I'm a software guy. It might be a software fault. Absolutely shocking response from Jaguar. These stories will really hurt the brand. I will never get in one. All electric cars should have a compulsory motor disconnect that can be easily triggered from inside the car.
I think they probably do, certainly mine had. The story is strange, I can understand a throttle sticking on but why couldn't he shut it down or simply brake. It makes no sense.
Old school bullshit if you ask me, "software" does not control the brakes, in ANY car, brakes are mechanical. One wonders why the police didn't test the brakes to check his claim that they weren't working, and check to see if neutral was able to be selected. If the answer is yes to either, he should be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. The usual misinformed sensationalism that this channel pedals for clicks.
Calm down chap. I am afraid that if you think critically then you will realise that in many modern cars software obviously does control some of the braking. Otherwise all the driver aids and "safety" functions would not work. Obviously we will not know the full facts until the investigation concludes. But, to say that software has no influence on these vehicles is objectively flawed. This may be a fault in some form of "self driving" technology, we just do not know yet.@@David-bl1bt Also search for Brake-By-Wire to read up maybe?
From a professional engineering, software-control, sensor diagnostics and "E"CU logging perspective, there are an enormous number of questions here: - why did it not run away to maximum speed, what caused it to "slow" to 80-90mph? - what position angles did the brake and accelerator pedals log throughout? - did the car slow due to the bumper proximity sensors detecting the rear of the police car? - did the crash/proximity warnings sound? - are his family still happy to use the car, if so why? - why are his insurers happy to maintain cover? - what time stamps are recorded by the RPU cars when first on scene vs the time of the 999 call? - what is the status of the case with JLR Legal? - does the incident remain an open police case? etc.
@@adamfavsvidc Not neccassarily. I heard of someone starting a keyless go car (Jag XF) and putting the key down on a workbench before he left. He then drove 40 miles switched the car off but couldn't re-start because the key was 40 miles away.
In Copehagen with our daughter and family atm. They have a 6 month old 7 seater Mercedes EV as her husband's company car. All the kit on the steering wheel has packed up already. Daughter just says it needs to go in to the garage and doesn't appear to be worried. Stories like this leave me absolutely terrified as they drive aound with our 4 young grandchildren (and us when we visit) in that car. Give me a proper old diesel land rover any day of the week.
Brilliant interview Geoff& I'd say that was a very lucky young man. Lucky to be alive to tell the tale; lucky that no-one was injured, and lucky to have got his story out via your channel. I hope the police forensics solve the mystery, because I believe that JLR would either try to shift the blame or cover it up. Just saying....
Absolutely brilliant interview. I believe the guy, 100%. No umming & arring like he was making it up as he went along. Glad he survived to tell the tale.👍👍. ⚡️⚡️
@@Ben-th2vf they also arrested the Post Office Owners in the Horizon scandal, so let's just wait and see shall we, if something doesn't fit the current narrative then powerful people will get up to all sorts of shenanigans.
I can't help it but my B.S. alarm is going off like crazy. From the 1st incident the lack of interest from Jaguar, Jaguar releasing it to go back on the road after such a serious incident, the lack of damage, the timing of him getting it into neutral when he couldn't for the last 20 minutes. I hope I'm wrong and look forward to hearing the conclusion.
This is the sort if thing that the Governement are creaming for, so they can get the public's approval for remote cut off systems so they have even more control over our movements.
I agree, the 'bashing the neutral button multiple times and then eventually it went into neutral' part of the story just feels off to me. It seems very implausible to me that you'd have to bash a modern electronic button that many times and then magically it suddenly works.
Same, lots of this doesnt make any sense what so ever! So it burned through its brakes instantly and accelerated just as hard? Also why didnt he hit the start stop to turn it off? Ive been in the trade for years and ive learnt that customers rarely tell the truth about what happened when a fault occured for some reason! Freeze frame data is a god send! Be interesting to see the data (He said the light came on so a fault was thrown). This needs to go to a decent independent engineer!
@@criptyqueThat might depend on what loop the computer was busily stuck in and how it could then manage to deal with interrupts like the driver pressing a gear select. Clearly that complex software was having issues outside Jag's design parameters.
Totally agree - As an I pace owner for since 2017 the whole things seems completely bizarre . Why would the brakes fail when it apparently engaged warp mode? Why did the neutral switch work after 20 mins and not before ? Why did'nt he just switch it off - push the start button twice and that shuts the car down? Engage the cruise control and let the auto brakes engage?
Not everybody lives on their phone, I realise the type of person to have an electric car probably does. I often go out and forget mine, imagine this happens and you have no means of communicating to the emergency services.
@@pdtech4524regen technology has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the braking system, which is mechanical on this and every other car car on the planet, irrespective of drivetrain. This story is sensationalistic jackanory.
Yes it has a completely independent hydraulic brake system. It does however have electric assistance/power booster which sounds like this wasn't 'assisting' - so he would have had to push the brake pedal through the floor!
Jackanory, any competent driver knows how stop a car under any circumstances, whether electric, petrol or diesel. All cars have a neutral and mechanical brakes dont they? Clearly an Incompetent driver.
@@ClifftopTragedy better than doing dying. But they can have proper contactors or something under a flap. My 3 series has a button under a flap to call the BMW lady if i have a crash.
Problem is, the police will likely be pressured by the government to bury this also since they’re determined to either get us all into EVs or off the road entirely.
Fascinating video Geoff. Really felt for the guy having to go through that not once, but twice!!! And the diagnostics showing that nothing was wrong 😮 Surely these dangerous cars need to have a kill switch fitted, very much like rally cars have to have, so that the entire electrical system can be disabled if necessary.
I feel utterly exhausted after watching this fantastic interview. I'm relieved it took place on a motorway(s); just imagine if it had occurred while driving through a town. There's a substantial amount to unravel here. The initial instance of Jaguar not prioritising a thorough examination of the car, only having one electrical engineer covering the area , and subsequently not identifying any faults, is truly astonishing to me. I can confidently say that I would have chosen to part ways with the car at this juncture. The second occasion, Ground Hog Day! There must be a glitch in the software, possibly an incorrect line of code that, under extreme conditions, prompts sudden and full acceleration. Such an issue would never arise in an internal combustion engine (ICE). Even if your brakes failed, you could shift into neutral, and eventually, the vehicle would come to a stop.
Yes there is lots to unravel...an out of control car, brakes failed....had to be rammed by the police to stop it...yet, the police don't bother to check the car! What, with all these 2 bit youtube hero's on here. Not one single dashcam clip surfaces showing the 120mph car zooming by? Not one single clip of cctv. A jackanory storyteller, incompetent driver if you ask me. He should be prosecuted
@@David-bl1bt You are correct. Upon revisiting the video and reviewing The Mail online article, there appears to be inconsistencies. Following the initial incident there seems to be a lack of emphasis on diagnosing the issue when with Jaguar. Despite describing a collision with a police car at 90mph, one would expect visible damage to both vehicles. Remarkably, three weeks later, a nearly identical incident occurs, raising questions about the likelihood of such a recurrence. The images on the Mail website reveal no apparent damage to his car, not even a cracked number plate. In the first instance, the urgency to conduct a thorough examination of the fault seems lacking. Considering the severity of the collision, it is perplexing that data retrieval from the car's "black box" wasn't pursued. Now, with the Police expressing a need for forensic examination, Jaguar acknowledges the potential for data retrieval from the black box. This inconsistency in approach raises concerns. Additional observations regarding the initial incident include his account of the car being brought to a halt by the police, reducing its speed from 90mph. If there were indeed a fault, wouldn't the electric motor continue running even when stationary? It is noteworthy that there is no mention of this specific incident from the police, adding another layer of uncertainty to the narrative. Electric vehicles operate on a drive-by-wire system, while their braking system maintains a physical connection. Even in the case of electronic handbrakes, there is an emergency fail-safe mechanism: holding the button for 10 seconds activates the parking brakes. I-PACE uses an Enhanced Brake Regeneration system that recuperates almost all braking energy. Once you lift your foot off the accelerator pedal, the system provides regenerative braking, comfortably slowing I-PACE while converting the power generated to optimise the battery's range. Conclusion: Man becomes perplexed between the accelerator and brake pedals.
@@David-bl1bt telling the police PORKIES, is a Criminal Offence, that is Perverting the Course of Justice, "i recon he will end up, doing time over his lies concerning this issue"
It sounds like complete bs to me..."Kept hitting 120" Surely it would have been driving at a constant 120? Funny how he managed to get it in neutral when the police arrived? Strange the garage couldn't find a problem with it? I recall a lorry driver having 2 incidents the same as this many years ago. Was on the phone to the police "because my brakes have failed". He ended up admitting it was all a fabrication. Called the police "straight away". Who would have the presence of mind to do that??? Managed to navigate a roundabout at 120? pmsl...this guy is a con-merchant.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne Consider this. Maybe his recollection of the events are a little vague. Would you like to take a guess as to why ? Let's give your brain a moment to warm up. Secondly, if he had been drinking or speeding in the absolute of both or either of those terms then he would have been charged. This is ground level, not corrupt government. Has your brain warmed up yet ? No. Well ok. Sleep tight.
Something similar happened to me with my i-Pace in July 2021. I had a low speed collision with a stationary car at a red light. No brake, collision detection system alerting but not braking. Had to turn car off after the collision because the motors were still trying to move the car forward. Other car was a write-off because of a cracked chassis and barely a scratch on mine. Jaguar denied all knowledge and insurance considered it my fault. Subsequently, both the “brake booster unit” and power unit were found to be faulty and replaced. Since then, they’ve had to be replaced again as well as the 12V auxiliary battery. Car has been offroad for 14 weeks in past 5 years. I think we need a class action lawsuit against JLR.
This is mot new, 2 years ago a family member had the same experience in a residential area, she hit two cars and bounced up the kerb and grounded on a wall leaving the wheels off the ground, otherwise who knows what would have happened, jaguar did not find any fault, insurance paid out with none of the usual games they play, very unusual,yes it was an I pace
This story has nothing to do with the iPace being an electric vehicle. It's about a faulty control system, which could have been fitted to any kind of vehicle. Jaguar need to get their act together and hire some engineers who know what they are doing.
@@BestKiteboardingOfficial Jaguar is incompetent. We had the same experience with Jaguar South Africa/ The electrician at Jaguaer should be fired. He does not know where to look.
There is absolutely no way he should be wanting that car back. He should demand a brand new alternative car at their expense. There is no way they can be trusted to diagnose the car and there is probably a case for them to be prosecuted by the HSE for giving it a clean bill of health the first time.
Geoff , there was an unreported EV accident in the West of Ireland in January this year , the car went on fire and the young driver was trapped because he couldn't open the door and he died . Not a word about it in the News but local knowledge.@@GeoffBuysCars
I believe he is now saying that he didn't do 140mph, he misread the speedo....it was 14 mph 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....the statement is soon to be released on Geoffs channel😂😂😂
This has NOTHING to do with it being an EV, but EVERYTHING to do with a guy telling lies. I am genuinely saddened at how many people on here are being totally fooled by a lying idiot. You included. @@roberttucker805
20:30 "God knows what they were thinking" not much probably just rolling their eyes at another knob in an Jag flying down the hard shoulder at 90 mph lol. In all seriousness though, this is surely MAJOR issue. When I was a bus driver sometimes (rarely less than once a year) the 'fly by wire' throttles could stick, particularly if it was cold/damp early mornings. Full throttle out of the yard or away from some of the lights towards the station and it would just keep going. They had a feature where if the brake pedal was pressed hard while power was also being applied it would force transmission into neutral and cut off the throttle requiring a full power down and reset to operate normally again. I presume the feature was intended for if there was ever a runaway engine. Or perhaps it was distrust of the older fly-by-wire throttles and fully auto transmissions, whatever it was, surely EVs need something similar. Such that if the brakes are being applied along with any throttle input, phantom or not, it drops the primary battery isolator and allows the car to freewheel to a stop.
Wow. Just wow. Excellent interview Geoff. Glad Nathan seems to be doing ok, and good job he was driving; I would have absolutely gone to pieces I'm sure. Looking forward to hopefully seeing some dashcam footage of him flying past! 💥💪
Mmmmm, it sounds like an incompetent driver to me. Easy to stop a runaway car, simply select neutral, even without brakes it would slow down and come to a stop eventually....irrespective of whether it is electric, petrol, lpg, diesel ie run off chicken shit. So the brakes didn't work? Interesting. ALL braking systems, whether on an electric, petrol, diesel, lpg or chicken shit powered, are all mechanical....totally unconnected with an electric drivetrain....or any other drive train. Braking systems have been dual circuit for decades...for exactly this reason....one circuit fails, the other is a backup. So, this guys story is utter nonsense , what he needs to do is learn about how to drive and control his car under any circumstance. It's basically comm9n sense to anyone with a working brain cell. In fact, he should be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. This guy is a danger to himself and other road users. Just sensationalistic journalism that is jumped upon by 2 bit youtubers to promote their egotistical channel.
@@David-bl1btEVs like this don’t have a mechanical link from a gear selector to gearbox. If the electrics are knackered you can press the neutral button all you want, it won’t change mode.
Ways to stop a runaway car (in order): - Pull on the mechanical handbrake; - Select a lower gear - Turn the ignition key to switch off and coast to a stop - Use the mechanical door handle to exit. Wait, what? - you haven't got ANY OF THOSE in a Jaguar i-pace? Decades of safety development have been binned in just a few years. Everything electronic = NO HUMAN CONTROL.
Yes: it has an electronic parking brake, which he never mentions trying to use. It has gear selector buttons which apparently worked when he "pressed it really hard" but he never mentions even trying that the second time. And an on-off button which he never mentions trying to use. The foot brake also has a mechanical override in the case of an electronics failure but this will be unassisted so on a 2 ton+ car you're going to have to properly stand on the pedal but it will stop you. The guy never mentions pressing the pedal any harder than usual. Clearly there was an issue with the car but the lad doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the box and didn't try any of the things that would have solved the problem.
Why are the news papers & BBC etc. saying the Jaguar suffered catastrophic brake failure and the police "rammed" it? Spouting nonsense is what they are doing.
They could put a panel on the dash that they could open up and turn off the main power switch to disconnect the battery from the motor control, just like most race cars and things like that already have.
This is absolutely awful, I am so glad this gentleman has survived and I hope the Police will do the fullest report possible and leave no stone unturned. Thank you for reaching out to the driver and providing a public safety video about the Jaguar I-Pace. Given that JLR are going all EV, I think they need to rethink that policy fast, I have actually contacted TATA in India asking them to come out to the UK and sort JLR out. Otherwise there will not be a JLR brand. It starts with changing the Utility shape for Defender allowing Ineos in. Now we have the insurance problems and now this. How many hits and negative press can a company take?
The police have! "Following an investigation by officers a 31-year-old man from Bolton was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance. He has been taken into police custody for questioning." 🤣
Could you rent the car to your beloved Mayer of London and have him drive around his ultra low emission zones to have him see how safe they are. Electric cars should be required to have emergency battery cutoff switch like race cars are required to have (in the USA).
Wow, I don't think I could have driven it again after that first incident but what choice did he have🤷♀️. Hard shoulder is traditionally for breakdowns, now it's for out of control EVs 😱 didn't make the news first time? How many more?
What happens on a “Smart motorway”? If the Jag had gone a few miles further down the motorway towards Manchester there is no hard shoulder,! All live lanes,! Old fashioned technology please. Thank goodness I’m probably of an age that won’t need to buy an abomination of an electric milk float.
Black Jag with blacked out windows flashes past at 90mph on the hard shoulder. Everyone on the motorway "OMG! An armed robber/drug dealer on the run. Look, six police cars chasing him!". Great interview Geoff. I do hope some dashcam footage gets sent to your inbox. Scariest things about this is that the car was completely ignoring his attempts to brake or select neutral and, when finally stopped, doors can't be opened from outside. There are so many flaws in the design of EVs that the manufacturers should be forced to rectify, including an emergency cut off which should also be retrofitted at the manufacturers expense to all EVs currently on the roads worldwide.
This driver is too nice. I would be heading to Jaguars HQ and demanding a full refund of the Ipace and would want compensation for them trying to kill me twice. He needs to make sure he never drives that sh1tty car again. Next step mate, get a solicitor.
@@FFVoyager as a mechanic I think it's far more likely its had an electrical issue which is a major problem in modern cars. Electrics are crap. Your version seems far less likely and makes zero sence. Unless you can explain how him doing it deliberately makes any sence at all. Unless you think he's mentally ill I don't get it.
Genuine unedited primary source journalism, as opposed to MSM crafted narrative with carefully snipped sound bites to tell the story they want. Major props mate. Blows anything the Faily Dail or the likes of the BBC do right out of the water.
Really? Fails the basic standards. Leading questions, no evidence and little truthfulness, accuracy and fact-based communication, independence, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, respect for others and public accountability. 🙄
If a situation arises where electric motor switch-off is urgent, carry out the following procedure: • Press and hold the START/STOP button for longer than 2 seconds, or: • Press and release the START/STOP button twice within 3 seconds. With either method, the instrument panel displays the message Engine Stop Button Pressed and the engine cuts off.
Absolutely terrifying, imagine the carnage if the police hadn't have been there to stop him..How can they cover this up about how ridiculous EVs are.."The Future My Arse".😂
I was surprised when he said it was slowing down on its own at the end as the charge was used up. All the police could do was act as an escort to get him through traffic! Terrifying.
@@David-bl1bt he once "WON???" Big Brother, so he is a "MEGA FAMOUSE??????? celebrity????????" therefore "he MUST BE??????" telling the "truth?????", as he isn't Joe Public with Jack Shit in his bank, LOL.
The solution has to be to make the UK Chief Executive of the company that imported or manufactured the car AND the civil servant who signed it off as being compliant criminally liable for any car’s performance. The mandatory punishment must be a minimum prison sentence of say five years. This must the price you pay for selling and approving shitty software attached to a car.
😂😂😂😂, I've finally stopped laughing at your comment, I completely agree with you by the way, civil serpents who really run this country will never be held to account by us their little minions, they are pushing all this green crap and we are paying for it 😢, we need to drain the swamp
I agree, owning a vehicle that trundles around with gallons of highly inflammable fuel washing around in a tank is clearly crazy!....Still, you could reduce your risk by owning an EV as they have considerably less fires than ICE vehicles that have been spontaneously catching fire for decades.
@David-bl1bt .Statistically insurance companies are saying opposite off your opinions , range,infrastructure, etc etc. Evs have their use for wealthy 8o yr olds on a Sunday morning.
@@waynegazard5038 really, according actual statistics ive just googled, on 2023, vehicles fires during that year were as follows...Hybrid 16,051 fires....Gas vehicles (ICE) 199,533 fires.....EV's 52....I know which vehicle I would prefer my loved-ones to travel in! It would be prudent to research before posting "facts" to save embarrasment!
Wow, what a brave lad! There's a big difference between travelling fast, when you're in control and travelling fast when the car takes over. That must've been soooo scary! Well done, Nathan, for keeping your head together. Great interview, Geoff...done the way it should be done 😁
I wonder if the police are wanting to determine if there was any criminal activity in regard to Jaguar and why they let an obviously dangerous vehicle back on the road. We often critcise law enforcement but this shows how often they are asked to put themselves in harms way to keep us safe and for that they deserve a big thank you.
There really ought to be kill switches in modern cars. In the past you could turn the ignition off and that acted as a kill switch. In Geoff's old Renault 10 the throttle goes open when the return spring breaks but it's not a problem as you have an ignition key that acts as a kill switch. These days there is a button that talks to the computer that might not work if you aren't stationary. There needs to be some proper kill switch in modern cars.
Yeah, plus get rid of those electronically operated hidden door handles. When the guy said the Police couldn't open the door to help him out, my face dropped.
You really need a manual override system. Such as a 🪓 fire axe (with insulated handle) taped to a window. You could then hack away at the dashboard - as you career along the motorway, in the hope of cutting some cable and stopping the vehicle. You can then use the manual axe to cut your way out if the e-door handle doesn't let you out.
@@hamshackleton That is the mechanical method yes. Modern throttle bodies are a servo motor type - good ones still have a spring to 'fail safe' - not all do. They no longer use a cable to physically 'pull' it open - a canbus signal is sent to the servo, to control the butterfly. I'm guessing electric vehicles use solid state gubbins to control the high power feed to the electric motor(s) - there is no mechanical link.
@@ianstobie An override switch would be good, like a track car uses. Most cars have detachable headrests that can break the door glass, probably since the 90's. I couldn't imagine the rotund or elderly being able to do though, especially in a panic.
This is why the government need to get into the habit of taking remote control of private vehicles. Big Brother has a duty o prevent these citizens from fear yet maintain robust sales figures.. Police forensics must not be diverted from uncovering thought non-crime.
Wow what a nightmare, mote automated cars are, the more dangerous they are ! What a terrifying experience, hats off and many thanks to the expertise of the police, it could have ended very badly. I bet this guy will never have another electric car 'given' to him ! Thanks geoff for this excellent interview 😊
So now he's been ARRESTED...! The plot thickens eh?! Watch the 2nd video. Oh, and hit subscribe, we'll see what happens next. ruclips.net/video/RbnW4TCY9aE/видео.html
Not really, it was pretty clear his story was nonsense but you, with your desperately anti-EV stance, really wanted to believe it. 🙄
The plot hasn’t thickened. Anyone who understands anything about cars knew this would be either sabotage by the driver because they thought they wound get 5 minutes of fame from the anti EV brigade or a stupid mistake by a stupid driver maybe going confused with the pedals or the cruise control or foot mat catching.
How embarrassing for you all 😂
Smelt BS a mile off !! Police obviously tested the vehicle ,unheard of for all those systems to fail.the guys an attention seeking clown!!
Exactly. And Geoff here is happy to exploit the situation for views. GBN level BS.
Munchausen by Proxy is what Michael Rayner, the 1998 "runaway" lorry driver, had. Loads more info in my comment thread on this video.
This is a MAJOR journalistic scoop. I as super looking forward to listening to this.
This was better than scoop. The guy got to tell his story. Geoff asked brilliant questions and in return got some excellent responses.
We want the Electric Viking to speak on this.
Agree! Geoff did an excellent interview. I was watching his viewing figure go up constantly throughout the interview and hoped he would reach 10,000 before the end. He did! Viewings still rising.
@@3089280288 As if an a'hat that names himself after a group of murdering and raping marauders could be unbiased.
MSM no where to be seen! I bet they wont cover it EVER!
Great work Geoff, letting the guy talk freely without interjecting too much.
his i pace, apparently, accelerated out of control,
and his speed went up and down, yet didnt trigger its regen braking,
then his foot brakes failed and then he couldnt get it into neutral,
yet, by coincidence, once a police car was in front of him,
he got it into neutral like "MAGIC" and it slowed down,
he could have easily, turned his EV OFF by just using the stop/start switch.
@@organickevinlondon and what happens at 100mph if you are able to turn off the EV?
Does it coast to a stop, does it apply the parking brake immediately?
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r it would be equal to doing an emergency stop, but hey, Big Brother "winner?" Craig Phillips who was "driving???" this i pace, wouldnt have done that as it wouldnt earn him "brownie points" on his Tik Tok channel.
@@user-qq2mo1ek2r hm, and what happens when, yer wife, mother and or daughter(s) start questioning you, about indirectly funding that vile female Human Rights abusing regime in Saudi Arabia, EVERY TIME that YOU fill up.
Perhaps it is. Or alternatively, it could be allowing a liar to spin his yarn unabated and unchallenged, simply because the story happens to fit whatever agenda/bias exists. I wonder which will prove to be to be true?
This seems like a great step forward for Jaguar. I remember the days when Jaguars wouldn't run at all due to electrical faults.
Now they don’t stop 😂😂😂
Great comment David 😊
This is how news should be communicated. Geoff added no obvious bias, let the driver tell us anything he thought relevant to tell us, and Geoff asked good, sleuthing questions, without trying to push the story one way or another.
That pretty much never happens any more on TV, radio or newsprint / online.
It’s all so horribly managed that I don’t miss mainstream lies.
Nice one, GBC!
A proper jackanory episode with no facts, just conjecture that is implausible.
So, a car goes out of control, the brakes don't work...and the police don't check the car for corroboration of the drivers story.
@@David-bl1bt Did you see a different episode to me?
Facts were car wont stop, police involved, no charges against the driver, 2nd time it happened, Police not releasing the car, reported in mainstream media.
I bet you are one of these flat earthers who believe nothing 😂😂😂😂
@timetochange4376 he is replying to everyone's comments, claiming it's the drivers fault and electric cars are perfect.
@@timetochange4376go and have look at his channel…EV’s are his lists🤔
@@David-bl1bt Did you watch something else?
Where is the car now ? Held be the police !
Do try to pay attention.
Great interview mate ... I don't think the MSM would ever get anywhere near this quality.
even if they were interested in anything critical of an ev
Based on this MSM is dead.
Geoff was brilliant.👌
thanks so much!@@jenkitching43
wow thanks so much for this comment :)
All EVs need, by law, to have an EPO switch in easy reach of the driver. This needs to be A) mechanical and B) able to cut out the main battery. EPO stands for Emergency Power Off.
Small charge on the terminals
I was thinking the same and thought surely they have these. A bit like on rally/race cars on the outside for the marshalls to kill all electric from the 12v battery supply.
Nathan's experience of Jaguar software diagnostics sounds a lot like the Post Office and Horizon. We are entering a world where "Computer says no" has become judge and jury.
They’re right now building cars that drive back to the lender when you’ve missed payments 🙄😂🤔👀. I watched a video on here
Good point. Bet there's lots of FOIs going to be heading to constabularies around the country soon enough.
Talking of the post office scandal, check out what Gary Waterman has uncovered, (he's on you tube,) about companies House and fraud on a worldwide scale, its massive
Not only that, but that phrase “we’ve never seen this happen before” sounds familiar.
Then again, that might change since he's been arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance. 🤣
Being able to ram police cars without getting into trouble is the only reason i would ever buy an EV
and license to speed ! It wasn't me it was the car ! hahahhah
👏🤣.. That's why i read the comment section
I would buy a lottery ticket too, your luck would seem to be in.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣
"Fly by wire"! Sometimes"smart" is not smart. Imagine a policeman being pitted by a runaway car which can burst into flames if the battery is damaged.
credit to the police,how many people would drive at 90mph inches in front of a 500hp electric suv the size of an ipace.
Slow for modern cars
That was so emotional 😮
I would do it,but then.... I have made some very poor decisions over the years
@@catonehereyeah, that was my thought.. A few things about this story are strange....
@@SteveWideawakegood question. Flat to the floor, 90. - 100mph. Not.
I own a big CNC machine tool . It will run an automatic program without any user input. This machine comes fitted with a big red button on the panel which can be smashed at any time to STOP the machine dead in its tracks. This is clearly understood in industry.
Or consider that automated work stations in a factory are required to be surrounded by cages with entry gates connected to off swtiches - all so that operators can be kept at a safe distance from automated machinery. Why is there a different law for road users?
All the lathes and scraper’s where I did my time all had big red back up kill switches in addition to the on/off switch. And that was back in the ‘70’s. Australia
I also own big machine tools and was thinking the same thing. All electric cars should be legally required to have an e-stop switch that is directly connected to a chunky contactor that controls the main battery supply to the rest of the car. Cheap and simple to implement and really shouldn't not have taken something like this to happen for it to be given consideration.
Likewise any IC car that cannot be easily stopped in a fault state due to electronic handbrakes and gear changes etc should also be required to have an equivalent cut off system
One Cincinnati 3-axis machine with Heidenhain 430 control had some weird electrical issue, where the X-axis sometimes started to creep. Like it could randomly just start to move. When that first time happened while I was working on it, I automatically pushed the emergency stop. I was literally stunned, looking the table move, I could not believe that the big red button didn’t work. Co-worker shouted to quickly run behind the machine and switch mains off before the table would crawl to the floor trough the side window 😅
@@StreetMotionUKAs I understand it all EV’s have a “kill switch” BUT it’s under the bonnet for emergency service to disconnect the battery in the event of an accident, not much use if you are being driven flat out and refuses to stop.
All electric vehicles should have an EMERGENCY STOP button
They have, it's called z mechanical braking system that is unconnected with the electric drivetrain. His claim that the brakes would work is nonsense, they have dual circuit for this very reason.
The driver is incompetent.
David how moronic you show yourself to be. Get back to yer bedroom and yer xbox !!😅
@@David-bl1bt Didnt you listen to what happened idiot !!
All EVs should be stopped. Park them now and do not drive them
A button ... ?
Shout out to the police involved, well done, excellent work, thank you 🙏
Absolutely, Amen.
Really! Did you listen to what he said? He was driving at around 90-100mph on the motorway, and had NO brakes. Pressing the brake pedal had no effect. Yet the police wanted him to follow them off the motorway and onto normal roads. In the end, they managed to stop him because he ran out of range. Yes, well done for ensuring a clear path along the motorway, but not for stopping him.
@@seanswilson
I recon that was down to the 999 operator as they were the conduit. The operator on the first occasion clearly was switched on.. the second one seemed to be a bit of a numpty.
@@seanswilsonThat’s not the Police but the operators, they are the ones who tell the Police in the cars what is Happening.
@@marksapolloIn this day and age, why does that not surprise me. Have a driver speak to an operator who then passes the message to the police car inches in front of him. You'd think they could patch him through.
INSANE!!! With all the controls being electronically operated, 1) Could NOT put the car in neutral 2) Could NOT apply the brakes 3) Could NOT turn the car off. (Was it a hacker?)
THAT'S what you get with all this technology. DRIVE BY WIRE they said. It's much better they said. In my ICE 2007 Accent, MANUAL, if the engine goes rogue, I simply apply the clutch, slip it into neutral and brake safely to the side of the road. No police intervention, No high speed runs risking people's lives. Nothing. PLUS. almost ZERO risk of catching fire unexpectedly.
"Ice Ice Baby!!"
And could not open the door.
EVs. The Gift that keeps on giving! @Lookup2Wakeup
Even on my '13 Mazda 3, the start/stop is by computer control but it's always allowed me to kill the engine by hitting the button 3 times. If that would fail, the brakes will overpower the engine, and failing that, I have a mechanical shifter to put it in neutral.
My 1978 Mini has never felt safer 😵💫 Neer thought I'd say that.
Just make sure you're not followed by a big fat EV...Just in case ;-) Cheers @@Chilled_Mackers
After it happened for the first time I'd have binned the car straightaway
I cannot fathom the mind of the person who keeps the car after that😅
@@AI-Records24 you are not alone. Surely 🤔
@M-se5of Exactly, the car will be worthless now, Jaguar should issue a full refund as it's not fit for purpose. The brakes are obviously drive by wire and why they had no effect.
Shame matey didn't say 1st time, "so there's nothing wrong with it, can you take it for a drive up the motorway and if I don't here back I assume you found the fault🤔
@@ASmileAdayfulthat made me smile today 👍
Might be worth asking the police for their footage of the entire incident - now that would make good viewing!!
I guess someone will get to see it in court.
One electrical engineer for such a big area ,I'm a mechanic by trade and have never trusted EVs
Loooool
The Devil's work.
Jeez.
I've never trusted mechanics, why do you need so many of them if they know what they are doing?
Only a dymshyt would buy one these shyt things.
Please tell him not to have that car back. It has tried to kill him twice now !!!
Nice Duetto! I hope she is serving you well.
He said he’s not having another milk float!!!!
name it Christine 2
@@CFNUN😂 Same thought... driven by Chucky
Please confiscate his licence, I wonder what his next bullshit excuse is when he gets caught speeding again in an ICE car.
Imagine that happening on the roads here in Soviet Wales. Six times the speed limit. Drakeford would be foaming at the mouth and demanding 10mph limits.
Soviet wales! Thats spot on im gonna start using that, mark dickford the man who couldnt drive his own finger up his arse deciding the rules of the road😂
Poor chap. Glad he's ok. You're a great interviewer, Geoff.
Aside from not asking whether Nathan tried neutral during second incident, and if not, why not.
Geoff did a great job of letting the chap show us he was lying without having to call him a liar.
He needs to get a solicitor for a civil claim and not let Jaguar anywhere near the vehicle before getting legal advice, they will try and cover it up. Also need to speak to someone about impact on his mental health, no doubt will end up with PTSD.
Apparently not if this is the second time it's happened.
He might have more sense than continue to try it on.
He said that the police won't let Jaguar have the car. They're obviously going to check it.
Absolutely PTSD, I was getting jittery just listening to his story - I can only imagine the sheer horror that Nathan was going through. Sadly he will be reliving his ordeal over & over for a long time. Trauma doesn't end, it just fades until something retriggers it.
He’s a scammer - he’ll need a solicitor for court.
I'm a £4000 used car buyer myself, but watching this massive push towards E.V.s crash head-on into reality is absolutely fascinating. 😊
THE WORKSHOP... ! That car should have gone to Jaguars R & D lab!!!!!
It should have been scrapped!
Should go for independent investigation, not Jaguar.
It should have gone to an exorcist.
@@wayland7150 lol! yep.
i think this is why the police won't give it to them. or at least, i hope.@@alihenderson5910
If this happened in America Jaguar would find themselves in court.
Why not here?
@@FFVoyager Gosh. Such an odd question to ask. Have a little think about the UK Judiciary operates ... as evidenced in recent years.
@@noelward8047 what a stupid reply. 🙄
If there really is a problem with a motor vehicle there is a long established process of fault finding, checking and resolving issues. As far as I know JLR have not been taken to task about failures with the I-pace brakes or throttle systems. But should a user find themselves unable to resolve an issue there are again, well established processes to go through to get recourse.
The reason it is not happening is that unintended acceleration is a well known phenomenon - long before EVs - and confused drivers aren't able to claim from the manufacturer for their own mistakes.
The governments and their globalist masters should be blamed for this.. They are pushing Manufacturers to produce these terrible EV’s ….
Do you mean bankrupt again so sad indian technology not as good as you thought 😮
That poor guy, his story is terrifying, especially the 2nd incident. What an awful experience, great interview Geoff
Today (13 March)
"Following an investigation by officers a 31-year-old man from Bolton was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance.
He has been taken into police custody for questioning."
🤣
When I hear someone boasting about their new electric car I'm thinking to myself "You'll be sorry"
Specially if it's a Chinese EV.
You ain't seen nothing yet. just you wait untill self driving cars hit the road
@M-se5of😂
@@geoffwright9570oh shit forgot bout those 😮
You not seen all the thirty somethings dying all over the place ....@ASmileAdayful
Another very scary issue is the inability to open the doors from outside without the driver pressing a button. This is safety gone stupid.
I was in an electric Abarth recently and to be fair there was a conventional mechanical handle positioned very low down in addition to the electric button towards the top. Surely any car with electric release would also have the conventional over ride? In which case why bother with electric release..
I saw another video that covered this issue in Tesla's. Apparently some models have manual emergency door handles ( not all years in any model though), but they are buried away and most owners don't know they exist. The guy was imploring Tesla owners to find them and have any tools needed to operate or access them to be kept inside the car in an easily accessible place. There have been several incidences of people getting locked in when the battery failed and at least one person died in a fire when he couldn't get out. The windows are very tough as well (cybertruck reputed bullet proof), so don't expect to be able to kick them out if you want to leave in a hurry
@@Dilbert-o5k All Model 3s since first production in 2018 have the front emergency door opening levers in such an easy to find location that most passengers pull that lever first to get out before you teach them which button to press next time. As far as I'm aware it's pretty obvious on each model for the front seats.
Those cases where people in front seats burned alive after hitting a tree at speed, they had also been drinking, so who knows what injuries they had or what state they were in to be able to open a door using the very obvious manual release lever? People also burn alive in petrol cars, so this is not exclusive to EVs.
Like many cars these days, the Tesla rear seats have electric door open actuators and electric child locks, so it's not so easy for kids to accidentally on purpose open the door without parental permission. The manual release lever is usually hidden behind the speaker grille or under the side storage floor mat.
I have a Nio ES6 in China, this has backup mechanical door release levers inside door pockets. External handles are retracted but can be extended by pressing one end of the handle.
Can't open my doors too. It's called a lock 😂
In a statement, Jaguar Land Rover said: "Following a detailed investigation in partnership with the Merseyside Police and other authorities, we understand an individual has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance, relating to the incident on the M62 on Wednesday, March 6th."
Hardly a surprise though.
bulsh.t.
Yep, a jackanory storyteller that has cost the tax payer big style and fooled all the nieve suckers who believed hom😂
JLR sent a team of engineers up to inspect my i-Pace and “didn’t find anything”, but strangely it started working after they replaced the brake booster unit and power unit. I love the car but it’s been like playing Russian Roulette driving it.
@@damianlewis7550 Should've bought an F-Pace. No scrub that, an F-Type.
BEST PART Jaguar is going 100% EV's in 2025. 😅😅😅
Jaguar won't be around after 2025
@@paulie-Gualtieri.Thats a fact
Jaguar going bust by 2025!
So is lotus😢😢
That will be the end of Jaguar.
Google the Question: Did a Tesla speed up on its own in China? - Answer: A Tesla Model Y reportedly accelerated on its own, speeding out of control, and eventually crashed at the end of a 2.6-km (1.6-mile) mad race. Based on their testimony, the driver wrestled to regain control of the car during the entire trip, but the brakes did not respond. Feb 20, 2023. Strength! GODspeed!
There was a similar incident involving a Tesla from the United States in Florida 1-2 years ago.
There’s a news video of it if you do a search.
I recall everyone in the car perished.
The accident was reported as reckless driving 🤔 but things don’t add up.
Another one in Canada where a Tesla crashed into a house.
These incidents are probably happening all around the world and mostly are swept under the rug.
@@FrankTimms-cs5hlThe drivers didn't press the brake pedal.
Happens with traditional automatics too. It's driver error.
You omitted to mention the deaths.
I would post the links but RUclips is temperamental about it.
I also found more incidents than I expected.
Additional EV crashes from Paris & Columbus,Ohio USA.
Lots of unanswered questions about the cause?
Could be a future Geoff video of all the similar EV incidents/accidents worldwide that have unanswered questions?
When the Tesla accident in Paris occurred, I am not certain but recall the manufacturer as a first comment stated they had checked the data and it was found to be the drivers fault. I am not sure how that data can be objectively verified or is trustworthy.
BS detector is going full blast.
There's so many questions here.
What are you sceptical of exactly?
@PointNemo9 The start/stop button. The brakes not working (they'd bring it to a stop before brake fade) even without electrical assistance. Jag letting it back out, The insurance company still covering it. Him driving it again after this happened. The neutral button only working after pressing it hard. 80/90 mph, why wouldn't it be at top speed? No law suit. Were the brakes glowing red hot? Cruise control. Etc etc
@@baronvonhoughton I’ve experienced similar issues but not in such dramatic fashion. There but for the grace of etc. Electrical units had to be swapped out more than once after 4 years of ongoing issues. JLR will never admit liability. Although the car is beautiful to drive when working, it has serious flaws. Such as being immobilised if the 12V battery discharges, even if the main battery is fully charged. JLR only took action after I wrote a letter of complaint to their Managing Director.
Mine is flashing too. That car will have massively depreciated and was not sold fit for purpose, this is not the best way to get the car written off.
@@baronvonhoughtonyou’re spot on. For over 20 years accelerators have been electrical and applying the brakes will override any accelerator input. This is the case for EV’s and ICE vehicles too.
I'm not being at all flippant here, however, should Jaguar rename this gentleman's car 'Christine'? Hope is experience with his ICE Range Rover restores his confidence in vehicles.
If he manages to hold onto it for more than hour before it gets stolen😂
Funny marketing strategy by JLR. Have their Jag cars without driver control, then give away a Range Rover in it's place. About the only way anyone would have one, would be to get it for 'free'.
He has no hope, a Strange Rover may not go off at speed but will leave you stranded regulary.
Jag sent the car back when they couldn't find the problem?
You need the Blackbelt Barrister.
It is an offence to supply a vehicle to that is not roadworthy, unless it is clearly marked as spares/repair or such. This is not limited to sales, if you take a car to a garage and for whatever reason, do not to have (necessary) work done, if the garage knows that vehicle is not roadworthy, they commit an offence if they let someone drive it away. Now just because Jaaag couldn't find the fault, it does not mean the car was not faulty. Nor did they say so, they didn't say, the car's fine, they said "we can't FIND the problem". There's no denying the car had a fault, it was just alluding them, if they let you drive on the road with that knowledge, they committed an offence.
Or just maybe there really wasn't a problem with the car.....
Maybe it was hacked into?
They presumably ran the standard tests, couldnt find any obvious fault and possibly assumed driver error.
It may be an intermitant fault, for example a loose connection to a sensor that only becomes a problem when its jolted at speed by an object in the road or a software fault.
Whatever it is its rare.
VW did the same with us 20 yrs ago, claimed they'd never seen the problem before except we started talking to other VW owners of the same brand same year with identical problem.
@@voiceofraisin3778yeah, JLR are going to risk their reputation by returning a dangerous car to this delusional owner. 😂
I work at Jaguar. This isnt a software issue. Its rain water getting in from the front windscreen soaking the footwell and getting into the electrics. Jaguar are fully aware of this issue but they are not going to be admitting it untill alot more are effecting just like vauxhall did with the zafiras when they were catching on fire vauxhall denied it too. This is going to cost jaguar around 600 million pounds. hes completely innocent ive seen 6 in the workshop all same faults. All wintertime too heavy rain yet summer no issues.. somebody is going to die before jaguar recall them due to rain getting in.. hes completely innocent he needs to not only sue jaguar but sue the police for wrongful arrest and he needs to tell the police check the front window screen for leaks entering they will find wet electrics and prove his case
this "watertight" issue is baby-basic, another Boeing Company in the making.
The electrics should not be in the cabin but under the bonnet. They should be waterproof.
There’s no way I would have ever driven that car again unless the fault had been found and rectified by Jaguar.
If Jaguar don't act fast I could see DVLA banning iPaces from the road until it's resolved.
The real answer is to not buy anything JLR.
These Indian cars are a reliability nightmare..
Terrible advice second time around; do 90 down the hard shoulder. The one lane you’d expect to find a stationary vehicle and every pothole.
Especially if they give it back saying we couldn’t find anything wrong Fahkin ell
It needs a major investigation drive cycle data pulled from modules rolling road the car to attempt to create fault again diagnosing why it’s creating the fault a recall across the models to investigate and write off that poor blokes car it’s a death sentence period
Glad i saw this. Jaguar sent me an email today offering some really good deals. That email is now in the trash. Surely nobody will buy an electric Jaguar after this. I mean if they gave you one free of charge would you dare drive it. What if he had been in a city centre on Saturday
Rumour has it Bosche stuff used by most manufacturers, not just Jaguar.
If they gave you one "Free of charge" it wouldn't be much use would it😜😜 Ok, I'll get my coat👍👍
Most likely his car was hacked, and that can happen to any of the newer cars not just EV'S.
I wouldn't just limit this to Jaguar any EV💩💩💩
That literally was literally the best Geoff interview ever. Literally.
Today (13 March)
"Following an investigation by officers a 31-year-old man from Bolton was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance.
He has been taken into police custody for questioning."
🤣
He sounded like a complete fanboi. He couldn't have given the guy an easier ride if he'd been a seaside donkey.
In a figurative sense, I presume.
@@FFVoyager Taken into custody. Is this because he's lying and led police on a merry chase or because Jaguar are lying and the police are helping cover for them?
@@wayland7150 the former.
just imagine this happened in traffic and the 50mph road works people could have lost there life
I love how he managed to navigate a roundabout safely at 120mph. Oh, and he managed to get it into neutral when the police arrived. Oh, and how come he "kept hitting 120"? Surely if it was stuck in top gear and full throttle he would have been doing 120 all the time? Oh, and the garage couldn't find a problem...pmsl.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne I think EV's are a complete scam, just need to get that out there first as otherwise people will not understand my main comment. I think there's a lot of holes in this guys evidence, as you mentioned, the roundabout with lights at 120mph? He kept on speeding up and hitting the back of the police car too! So I am guessing Geoff should have asked him to explain what was controlling the varying speeds of his car as it clearly wasn't stuck at 120mph! Also his range at 120mph, bearing in mind that is 2 miles per minute, his 50 miles would have expired long before his phone call to the police! But I really hope it is a case of him not being a scientific type and just didn't explain himself clearly.
One other anomaly from his conversation was why didn't the police impound the car the first time? Surely they would have needed to investigate how their cars ended up smashed by an out of control EV?
So please Geoff, if you could try and get answers to these questions from a
@rogerblackwood8815 yep, jacksnory time, nothing he says is credible.
The car has a neutral, exactly the same as every other car on the planet, so why didn't he select it?
ALL cars have MECHANICAL BRAKES, nothing to do with whatever the drivetrain happens to be, and braking systems have been dual circuit for decades for this very reason, one circuit fails, there is a backup.
This guy is either a complete numpty with zero braincells or he was smoking something.
He should be banned off the road, he is a danger to himself and other road users.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOneI'm with you bud,
All seems like bs to me
It's little short of a miracle no one was hurt
Heroic policemen in fairness.
Don't get ahead of yourself
@@thisisnumber0😂
Yes they risked their lives . The police are not all bad . There are a few good ones left . 😊
How 😂
I'm a software guy. It might be a software fault. Absolutely shocking response from Jaguar. These stories will really hurt the brand. I will never get in one.
All electric cars should have a compulsory motor disconnect that can be easily triggered from inside the car.
Not getting into one will not help. Someone will crash into you at 120mph.
I'm convinced its software problem, 120mph mobile phone!
I think they probably do, certainly mine had. The story is strange, I can understand a throttle sticking on but why couldn't he shut it down or simply brake. It makes no sense.
They say it is not software but water leaking into the electronica and it is a regular fault...
Good job Geoff. Old school journalism and interviewing. Imagine the spin that would have been put on by the BBC. Keep going :)
Old school bullshit if you ask me, "software" does not control the brakes, in ANY car, brakes are mechanical.
One wonders why the police didn't test the brakes to check his claim that they weren't working, and check to see if neutral was able to be selected. If the answer is yes to either, he should be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention.
The usual misinformed sensationalism that this channel pedals for clicks.
Calm down chap. I am afraid that if you think critically then you will realise that in many modern cars software obviously does control some of the braking. Otherwise all the driver aids and "safety" functions would not work. Obviously we will not know the full facts until the investigation concludes. But, to say that software has no influence on these vehicles is objectively flawed. This may be a fault in some form of "self driving" technology, we just do not know yet.@@David-bl1bt Also search for Brake-By-Wire to read up maybe?
Even if the brakes were working they couldn't resist 300 horsepower. They would have melted.
@Lookup2Wakeupbrilliant mate!
So glad the guy has survived to be able to tell this story! ….Otherwise it would have been something else brushed under the carpet. 🤦🏻♀️
Those cops are bloody good drivers.
Hats off to the Police in both incidents.
We've got the late brake show, now we've got the no brakes show, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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😂😂😂😂😂
I like Jonnie Smith but he's a bit of an EV fan
@@michaelhart5886- bit too 'woke' for my liking. He probably believes the climat change non-sense and still wears a face nappy around waitrose
@@michaelhart5886- bit too 'woke' for my liking. He probably believes the climate change nonsense and still wears a face nappy around waitrose.
From a professional engineering, software-control, sensor diagnostics and "E"CU logging perspective, there are an enormous number of questions here:
- why did it not run away to maximum speed, what caused it to "slow" to 80-90mph?
- what position angles did the brake and accelerator pedals log throughout?
- did the car slow due to the bumper proximity sensors detecting the rear of the police car?
- did the crash/proximity warnings sound?
- are his family still happy to use the car, if so why?
- why are his insurers happy to maintain cover?
- what time stamps are recorded by the RPU cars when first on scene vs the time of the 999 call?
- what is the status of the case with JLR Legal?
- does the incident remain an open police case?
etc.
Bumper sensors only work below about 10mph
On your car perhaps. My Audi proximity sensors work at any speed. It can be annoying. @@roblonsdale8927
@@roblonsdale8927 he might mean radar cruise sensors.
What about keyless start and entry, could you throw the key when at speed and then the immobiliser disables the engine come to a hault
@@adamfavsvidc Not neccassarily. I heard of someone starting a keyless go car (Jag XF) and putting the key down on a workbench before he left. He then drove 40 miles switched the car off but couldn't re-start because the key was 40 miles away.
Geoff Thanks for the video and hearing from Nathan and I commend his bravery and the police were doing the right thing....Cheers!
In Copehagen with our daughter and family atm. They have a 6 month old 7 seater Mercedes EV as her husband's company car. All the kit on the steering wheel has packed up already. Daughter just says it needs to go in to the garage and doesn't appear to be worried. Stories like this leave me absolutely terrified as they drive aound with our 4 young grandchildren (and us when we visit) in that car. Give me a proper old diesel land rover any day of the week.
This big EV vans are worthless.
Brilliant interview Geoff& I'd say that was a very lucky young man. Lucky to be alive to tell the tale; lucky that no-one was injured, and lucky to have got his story out via your channel. I hope the police forensics solve the mystery, because I believe that JLR would either try to shift the blame or cover it up.
Just saying....
Yeah, I can't think of a better use of scarce police resources...
I’m waiting for the caused by a diesel jaguar government spokesman
Absolutely brilliant interview. I believe the guy, 100%. No umming & arring like he was making it up as he went along. Glad he survived to tell the tale.👍👍. ⚡️⚡️
Might be worth reading the latest news on it....
Lol
@@Ben-th2vf they also arrested the Post Office Owners in the Horizon scandal, so let's just wait and see shall we, if something doesn't fit the current narrative then powerful people will get up to all sorts of shenanigans.
Glad he got a non EV in the end. 😂 By now I think EVs are just a very expensive IQ test.
The person requiring an IQ test is the incompetent driver.
Update 13 march: arrested for telling porkies, nuff said😂
what would you have done@@David-bl1bt
The person requiring the IQ test is the incompetent commenter.....
Underrated comment....
Indeed.
They had a free IQ test in 2020/21/22. Everyone who failed that now gets the option to pay for an expensive one.
I can't help it but my B.S. alarm is going off like crazy. From the 1st incident the lack of interest from Jaguar, Jaguar releasing it to go back on the road after such a serious incident, the lack of damage, the timing of him getting it into neutral when he couldn't for the last 20 minutes. I hope I'm wrong and look forward to hearing the conclusion.
This is the sort if thing that the Governement are creaming for, so they can get the public's approval for remote cut off systems so they have even more control over our movements.
I agree, the 'bashing the neutral button multiple times and then eventually it went into neutral' part of the story just feels off to me. It seems very implausible to me that you'd have to bash a modern electronic button that many times and then magically it suddenly works.
Same, lots of this doesnt make any sense what so ever! So it burned through its brakes instantly and accelerated just as hard? Also why didnt he hit the start stop to turn it off? Ive been in the trade for years and ive learnt that customers rarely tell the truth about what happened when a fault occured for some reason! Freeze frame data is a god send! Be interesting to see the data (He said the light came on so a fault was thrown). This needs to go to a decent independent engineer!
@@criptyqueThat might depend on what loop the computer was busily stuck in and how it could then manage to deal with interrupts like the driver pressing a gear select. Clearly that complex software was having issues outside Jag's design parameters.
Totally agree - As an I pace owner for since 2017 the whole things seems completely bizarre . Why would the brakes fail when it apparently engaged warp mode? Why did the neutral switch work after 20 mins and not before ? Why did'nt he just switch it off - push the start button twice and that shuts the car down? Engage the cruise control and let the auto brakes engage?
That car is a wrong-un. It needs scrapping.
Poor bloke what an ordeal.
Lucky that him and all the police involved were ok.
If he could charge his car with the word "literally" it would never go flat 😂
Here’s 10 volts for him. Literally 😂
Literally, the word used by someone who is literally not being wholly truthful
Not everybody lives on their phone, I realise the type of person to have an electric car probably does. I often go out and forget mine, imagine this happens and you have no means of communicating to the emergency services.
The new cars have sos, and most do not need your phone to make that call just press a button
Terrifying. Glad the driver survived, i hope that he can recover from this trauma in time. Thanks Geoff for allowing the true story to be shared.
I'd have thought the hydraulic braking system would be independent to the powered system. I'll stick with my old diesel, thank you.
No because of all the regen technology, it's all linked in....😮
@@pdtech4524regen technology has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the braking system, which is mechanical on this and every other car car on the planet, irrespective of drivetrain.
This story is sensationalistic jackanory.
@@David-bl1bt yeah mechanical except the pedal is not mechanical but electronic, google brake by wire.
@hughjanus7354 I pace isn't brake by wire! Cyber truck is one of the first brake by wire - also steer by wire!
Yes it has a completely independent hydraulic brake system. It does however have electric assistance/power booster which sounds like this wasn't 'assisting' - so he would have had to push the brake pedal through the floor!
Who is ever going to ever get in an electric car after listening to this?!
The EVangelists will keep denying it has anything to do with their precious cars. Must be the fault of the driver 😟
Jackanory, any competent driver knows how stop a car under any circumstances, whether electric, petrol or diesel.
All cars have a neutral and mechanical brakes dont they?
Clearly an Incompetent driver.
@@David-bl1bt🤡
what a knobhead you are, did you not listen@@David-bl1bt
You'll be surprised.
How you stayed awake for the whole story Geoff, I will never know. You deserve a medal.
Electronic emergency brakes are insane but totally on par with the modern world.
Sounds It !
EVs need a emergency battery disconnect in the cabin .
A big glass fuse and a hammer! Imagine the flash
@@ClifftopTragedy better than doing dying. But they can have proper contactors or something under a flap. My 3 series has a button under a flap to call the BMW lady if i have a crash.
No there not. Wtf u talking about 7 7 ?
Kudos to you. It would be great if the coppers actually found the issue. Not let JLR bury this thing. What a nightmare!
Problem is, the police will likely be pressured by the government to bury this also since they’re determined to either get us all into EVs or off the road entirely.
Fascinating video Geoff. Really felt for the guy having to go through that not once, but twice!!! And the diagnostics showing that nothing was wrong 😮 Surely these dangerous cars need to have a kill switch fitted, very much like rally cars have to have, so that the entire electrical system can be disabled if necessary.
I feel utterly exhausted after watching this fantastic interview. I'm relieved it took place on a motorway(s); just imagine if it had occurred while driving through a town.
There's a substantial amount to unravel here. The initial instance of Jaguar not prioritising a thorough examination of the car, only having one electrical engineer covering the area , and subsequently not identifying any faults, is truly astonishing to me. I can confidently say that I would have chosen to part ways with the car at this juncture.
The second occasion, Ground Hog Day!
There must be a glitch in the software, possibly an incorrect line of code that, under extreme conditions, prompts sudden and full acceleration. Such an issue would never arise in an internal combustion engine (ICE). Even if your brakes failed, you could shift into neutral, and eventually, the vehicle would come to a stop.
Yes there is lots to unravel...an out of control car, brakes failed....had to be rammed by the police to stop it...yet, the police don't bother to check the car!
What, with all these 2 bit youtube hero's on here. Not one single dashcam clip surfaces showing the 120mph car zooming by? Not one single clip of cctv.
A jackanory storyteller, incompetent driver if you ask me.
He should be prosecuted
@@David-bl1bt You are correct. Upon revisiting the video and reviewing The Mail online article, there appears to be inconsistencies. Following the initial incident there seems to be a lack of emphasis on diagnosing the issue when with Jaguar. Despite describing a collision with a police car at 90mph, one would expect visible damage to both vehicles. Remarkably, three weeks later, a nearly identical incident occurs, raising questions about the likelihood of such a recurrence. The images on the Mail website reveal no apparent damage to his car, not even a cracked number plate.
In the first instance, the urgency to conduct a thorough examination of the fault seems lacking. Considering the severity of the collision, it is perplexing that data retrieval from the car's "black box" wasn't pursued. Now, with the Police expressing a need for forensic examination, Jaguar acknowledges the potential for data retrieval from the black box. This inconsistency in approach raises concerns.
Additional observations regarding the initial incident include his account of the car being brought to a halt by the police, reducing its speed from 90mph. If there were indeed a fault, wouldn't the electric motor continue running even when stationary? It is noteworthy that there is no mention of this specific incident from the police, adding another layer of uncertainty to the narrative.
Electric vehicles operate on a drive-by-wire system, while their braking system maintains a physical connection. Even in the case of electronic handbrakes, there is an emergency fail-safe mechanism: holding the button for 10 seconds activates the parking brakes.
I-PACE uses an Enhanced Brake Regeneration system that recuperates almost all braking energy. Once you lift your foot off the accelerator pedal, the system provides regenerative braking, comfortably slowing I-PACE while converting the power generated to optimise the battery's range.
Conclusion: Man becomes perplexed between the accelerator and brake pedals.
@@David-bl1bt telling the police PORKIES,
is a Criminal Offence,
that is Perverting the Course of Justice,
"i recon he will end up, doing time over his lies concerning this issue"
Strange how the MSM wouldn't allow this level of truth! 😊😮😁👍
It sounds like complete bs to me..."Kept hitting 120" Surely it would have been driving at a constant 120? Funny how he managed to get it in neutral when the police arrived? Strange the garage couldn't find a problem with it? I recall a lorry driver having 2 incidents the same as this many years ago. Was on the phone to the police "because my brakes have failed". He ended up admitting it was all a fabrication.
Called the police "straight away". Who would have the presence of mind to do that???
Managed to navigate a roundabout at 120? pmsl...this guy is a con-merchant.
Con artist? That goes from "blame the victim: to "accuse the victim". What a nightmare
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
Truth will be revealed....@@barrysumner3024
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne Consider this. Maybe his recollection of the events are a little vague. Would you like to take a guess as to why ?
Let's give your brain a moment to warm up.
Secondly, if he had been drinking or speeding in the absolute of both or either of those terms then he would have been charged. This is ground level, not corrupt government.
Has your brain warmed up yet ?
No. Well ok. Sleep tight.
Arrogant prick.@@TJ-vt6rt
Something similar happened to me with my i-Pace in July 2021. I had a low speed collision with a stationary car at a red light. No brake, collision detection system alerting but not braking. Had to turn car off after the collision because the motors were still trying to move the car forward. Other car was a write-off because of a cracked chassis and barely a scratch on mine. Jaguar denied all knowledge and insurance considered it my fault. Subsequently, both the “brake booster unit” and power unit were found to be faulty and replaced. Since then, they’ve had to be replaced again as well as the 12V auxiliary battery. Car has been offroad for 14 weeks in past 5 years. I think we need a class action lawsuit against JLR.
You could offer him your story as part of his defense as they just arrested the poor guy.
I am amazed he continued to drive the car after the first incident but glad no one was hurt
This needs closely watching, please keep up your excellent reporting of these things Geoff. I wish Nathan all the best.
This is mot new, 2 years ago a family member had the same experience in a residential area, she hit two cars and bounced up the kerb and grounded on a wall leaving the wheels off the ground, otherwise who knows what would have happened, jaguar did not find any fault, insurance paid out with none of the usual games they play, very unusual,yes it was an I pace
This story has nothing to do with the iPace being an electric vehicle. It's about a faulty control system, which could have been fitted to any kind of vehicle. Jaguar need to get their act together and hire some engineers who know what they are doing.
It's any drive by wire automatic car. None of which I've ever go near.
@@BestKiteboardingOfficial Jaguar is incompetent. We had the same experience with Jaguar South Africa/ The electrician at Jaguaer should be fired. He does not know where to look.
There is absolutely no way he should be wanting that car back. He should demand a brand new alternative car at their expense. There is no way they can be trusted to diagnose the car and there is probably a case for them to be prosecuted by the HSE for giving it a clean bill of health the first time.
Wait until an electric truck does this in the future.
Yeah I’d like to see a 5 series touring stopping a 30 tonne wagon
@@GeoffBuysCars Me too😂
Or a electric railway engine (except those have actual systems to stop runaways which should be applied to cars)
As a Hgv Concrete mixer driver this is reality, London branch has these vehicles. Scary shit.
Geoff , there was an unreported EV accident in the West of Ireland in January this year , the car went on fire and the young driver was trapped because he couldn't open the door and he died . Not a word about it in the News but local knowledge.@@GeoffBuysCars
This guy just got arrested for speeding & public nuisance offence… any update?
I believe he is now saying that he didn't do 140mph, he misread the speedo....it was 14 mph 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣....the statement is soon to be released on Geoffs channel😂😂😂
I wouldn't have gone back to the thing. Not in a million years.
Unless of course you secretly knew there was actually FA wrong with it....
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOneyou're really trying hard to defend the EV aren't you? Are you a qualified mechanic for electric vehicles?
This has NOTHING to do with it being an EV, but EVERYTHING to do with a guy telling lies. I am genuinely saddened at how many people on here are being totally fooled by a lying idiot. You included. @@roberttucker805
Unfortunately for him he was stuck - committed to paying it off - until the police seized it.
Seen tonight's download have you? Prick. I don't suppose for one moment you'll swallow your pride and apologise. @@roberttucker805
20:30 "God knows what they were thinking" not much probably just rolling their eyes at another knob in an Jag flying down the hard shoulder at 90 mph lol.
In all seriousness though, this is surely MAJOR issue. When I was a bus driver sometimes (rarely less than once a year) the 'fly by wire' throttles could stick, particularly if it was cold/damp early mornings. Full throttle out of the yard or away from some of the lights towards the station and it would just keep going.
They had a feature where if the brake pedal was pressed hard while power was also being applied it would force transmission into neutral and cut off the throttle requiring a full power down and reset to operate normally again.
I presume the feature was intended for if there was ever a runaway engine. Or perhaps it was distrust of the older fly-by-wire throttles and fully auto transmissions, whatever it was, surely EVs need something similar.
Such that if the brakes are being applied along with any throttle input, phantom or not, it drops the primary battery isolator and allows the car to freewheel to a stop.
Sounds like the post office situation, you're the only one having this problem.
Wow. Just wow. Excellent interview Geoff. Glad Nathan seems to be doing ok, and good job he was driving; I would have absolutely gone to pieces I'm sure. Looking forward to hopefully seeing some dashcam footage of him flying past! 💥💪
should have bought a diesel mate.
Petrol, if they aren't regularly doing longer runs, letting the filters regen.
Or just buy an old diesel without a DPF, smoke freely!
The most reliable cars are petrol-powered.
The most unreliable cars are EVs.
Mmmmm, it sounds like an incompetent driver to me.
Easy to stop a runaway car, simply select neutral, even without brakes it would slow down and come to a stop eventually....irrespective of whether it is electric, petrol, lpg, diesel ie run off chicken shit.
So the brakes didn't work? Interesting. ALL braking systems, whether on an electric, petrol, diesel, lpg or chicken shit powered, are all mechanical....totally unconnected with an electric drivetrain....or any other drive train.
Braking systems have been dual circuit for decades...for exactly this reason....one circuit fails, the other is a backup.
So, this guys story is utter nonsense , what he needs to do is learn about how to drive and control his car under any circumstance.
It's basically comm9n sense to anyone with a working brain cell.
In fact, he should be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention.
This guy is a danger to himself and other road users.
Just sensationalistic journalism that is jumped upon by 2 bit youtubers to promote their egotistical channel.
@@David-bl1btEVs like this don’t have a mechanical link from a gear selector to gearbox. If the electrics are knackered you can press the neutral button all you want, it won’t change mode.
@@David-bl1btwtf are you on about? Did you even listen to the interview?
Ways to stop a runaway car (in order):
- Pull on the mechanical handbrake;
- Select a lower gear
- Turn the ignition key to switch off and coast to a stop
- Use the mechanical door handle to exit.
Wait, what? - you haven't got ANY OF THOSE in a Jaguar i-pace?
Decades of safety development have been binned in just a few years.
Everything electronic = NO HUMAN CONTROL.
Yes: it has an electronic parking brake, which he never mentions trying to use.
It has gear selector buttons which apparently worked when he "pressed it really hard" but he never mentions even trying that the second time.
And an on-off button which he never mentions trying to use.
The foot brake also has a mechanical override in the case of an electronics failure but this will be unassisted so on a 2 ton+ car you're going to have to properly stand on the pedal but it will stop you. The guy never mentions pressing the pedal any harder than usual.
Clearly there was an issue with the car but the lad doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the box and didn't try any of the things that would have solved the problem.
Yup - nothing mechanical.
Why are the news papers & BBC etc. saying the Jaguar suffered catastrophic brake failure and the police "rammed" it? Spouting nonsense is what they are doing.
I think the media are trying to minimise the impact of this story as everyone is trying to promote EV's.
Thet are not allwed to publish negative EV news.
@@ldnwholesale8552clearly not the case - it's been reported in several papers and news websites.
They could put a panel on the dash that they could open up and turn off the main power switch to disconnect the battery from the motor control, just like most race cars and things like that already have.
This is absolutely awful, I am so glad this gentleman has survived and I hope the Police will do the fullest report possible and leave no stone unturned. Thank you for reaching out to the driver and providing a public safety video about the Jaguar I-Pace. Given that JLR are going all EV, I think they need to rethink that policy fast, I have actually contacted TATA in India asking them to come out to the UK and sort JLR out. Otherwise there will not be a JLR brand.
It starts with changing the Utility shape for Defender allowing Ineos in.
Now we have the insurance problems and now this. How many hits and negative press can a company take?
The police have!
"Following an investigation by officers a 31-year-old man from Bolton was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance.
He has been taken into police custody for questioning."
🤣
Could you rent the car to your beloved Mayer of London and have him drive around his ultra low emission zones to have him see how safe they are. Electric cars should be required to have emergency battery cutoff switch like race cars are required to have (in the USA).
except this had nothing to do with the car
Wow, I don't think I could have driven it again after that first incident but what choice did he have🤷♀️. Hard shoulder is traditionally for breakdowns, now it's for out of control EVs 😱 didn't make the news first time? How many more?
Not sure how that would work out on the hundreds of miles of "SMART" motorways!
@@rogerblackwood8815 disaster waiting to happen 😱
What happens on a “Smart motorway”? If the Jag had gone a few miles further down the motorway towards Manchester there is no hard shoulder,! All live lanes,! Old fashioned technology please. Thank goodness I’m probably of an age that won’t need to buy an abomination of an electric milk float.
I don't think he will be driving for a while once he's convicted of dangerous driving.
@@timrothwell33 interesting development that's for sure 😁
Black Jag with blacked out windows flashes past at 90mph on the hard shoulder. Everyone on the motorway "OMG! An armed robber/drug dealer on the run. Look, six police cars chasing him!". Great interview Geoff. I do hope some dashcam footage gets sent to your inbox.
Scariest things about this is that the car was completely ignoring his attempts to brake or select neutral and, when finally stopped, doors can't be opened from outside. There are so many flaws in the design of EVs that the manufacturers should be forced to rectify, including an emergency cut off which should also be retrofitted at the manufacturers expense to all EVs currently on the roads worldwide.
This driver is too nice. I would be heading to Jaguars HQ and demanding a full refund of the Ipace and would want compensation for them trying to kill me twice. He needs to make sure he never drives that sh1tty car again. Next step mate, get a solicitor.
That won't happen - it would prove he's a liar.
@@FFVoyagerso your suggesting he done this deliberately?
@@thistimeimhereit's considerably more likely than this spurious tale.
To nice! No hes unbelievably Stupid!
@@FFVoyager as a mechanic I think it's far more likely its had an electrical issue which is a major problem in modern cars. Electrics are crap. Your version seems far less likely and makes zero sence. Unless you can explain how him doing it deliberately makes any sence at all. Unless you think he's mentally ill I don't get it.
Genuine unedited primary source journalism, as opposed to MSM crafted narrative with carefully snipped sound bites to tell the story they want. Major props mate. Blows anything the Faily Dail or the likes of the BBC do right out of the water.
Really? Fails the basic standards. Leading questions, no evidence and little truthfulness, accuracy and fact-based communication, independence, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, respect for others and public accountability. 🙄
@@FFVoyager Hear hear!
If a situation arises where electric motor switch-off is urgent,
carry out the following procedure:
• Press and hold the START/STOP button for longer than
2 seconds, or:
• Press and release the START/STOP button twice within
3 seconds.
With either method, the instrument panel displays the
message Engine Stop Button Pressed and the engine cuts off.
Absolutely terrifying, imagine the carnage if the police hadn't have been there to stop him..How can they cover this up about how ridiculous EVs are.."The Future My Arse".😂
It has been happening for at least 2 years and jaguar seem unable to find any fault, so it is easy to cover up, future my arse indeed 😂
Maybe the car was hacked, usually when a car is hacked like that the people inside die so there is no one to explain what happened!
I was surprised when he said it was slowing down on its own at the end as the charge was used up.
All the police could do was act as an escort to get him through traffic! Terrifying.
@@Thunderbloke2 no, it was slowing down as he managed to get it into neutral.
@@organickevinlondon that was the first time it happened, the second time it happened he referred to watching the range count down to nothing.
So in both instances they couldn’t do anything until the car was in neutral or had no battery
What a terrifying experience, well done Nathan for being able to endure that highly stressful situation twice and walk away in one piece 😮
Great video Geoff... proper interviewer
A proper jackanory episode.
@@David-bl1bt he once "WON???" Big Brother,
so he is a "MEGA FAMOUSE??????? celebrity????????"
therefore "he MUST BE??????" telling the "truth?????",
as he isn't Joe Public with Jack Shit in his bank, LOL.
The solution has to be to make the UK Chief Executive of the company that imported or manufactured the car AND the civil servant who signed it off as being compliant criminally liable for any car’s performance. The mandatory punishment must be a minimum prison sentence of say five years. This must the price you pay for selling and approving shitty software attached to a car.
😂😂😂😂, I've finally stopped laughing at your comment, I completely agree with you by the way, civil serpents who really run this country will never be held to account by us their little minions, they are pushing all this green crap and we are paying for it 😢, we need to drain the swamp
You are a good interviewer Geoff! Great questions, serious topic but still being able to have a little laugh with the guy.
The video of this incident should be on Police Stop Camera Action
I think this may have set a new record for the amount of times anyone has said literally in an interview.
EV. Extremely Volatile. I thought the idea of owning a four wheeled firebomb was bad enough, but this a whole other level!
I agree, owning a vehicle that trundles around with gallons of highly inflammable fuel washing around in a tank is clearly crazy!....Still, you could reduce your risk by owning an EV as they have considerably less fires than ICE vehicles that have been spontaneously catching fire for decades.
@David-bl1bt .Statistically insurance companies are saying opposite off your opinions , range,infrastructure, etc etc. Evs have their use for wealthy 8o yr olds on a Sunday morning.
@@waynegazard5038 Show me these statistics you speak of
Someone born in 1954 scared of EVs, what a surprise! Don't let it give you too much heart ache, it's not healthy for you old EV haters.
@@waynegazard5038 really, according actual statistics ive just googled, on 2023, vehicles fires during that year were as follows...Hybrid 16,051 fires....Gas vehicles (ICE) 199,533 fires.....EV's 52....I know which vehicle I would prefer my loved-ones to travel in! It would be prudent to research before posting "facts" to save embarrasment!
Wow, what a brave lad! There's a big difference between travelling fast, when you're in control and travelling fast when the car takes over. That must've been soooo scary! Well done, Nathan, for keeping your head together. Great interview, Geoff...done the way it should be done 😁
But yet dumb🤡 enough to get back in the car and do it again.... like somehow the car fixed itself...🙄
We used to drive cars, now the cars are driving us.
To be fair we had runaway cars a few years back. Though they should simply have shifted to nuetral in those.
I wonder if the police are wanting to determine if there was any criminal activity in regard to Jaguar and why they let an obviously dangerous vehicle back on the road. We often critcise law enforcement but this shows how often they are asked to put themselves in harms way to keep us safe and for that they deserve a big thank you.
There really ought to be kill switches in modern cars. In the past you could turn the ignition off and that acted as a kill switch. In Geoff's old Renault 10 the throttle goes open when the return spring breaks but it's not a problem as you have an ignition key that acts as a kill switch. These days there is a button that talks to the computer that might not work if you aren't stationary. There needs to be some proper kill switch in modern cars.
Yeah, plus get rid of those electronically operated hidden door handles. When the guy said the Police couldn't open the door to help him out, my face dropped.
On most cars the throttle butterfly is closed by a spring, and the cable pulls it open. If the cable breaks, the throttle shuts.
You really need a manual override system. Such as a 🪓 fire axe (with insulated handle) taped to a window. You could then hack away at the dashboard - as you career along the motorway, in the hope of cutting some cable and stopping the vehicle. You can then use the manual axe to cut your way out if the e-door handle doesn't let you out.
@@hamshackleton That is the mechanical method yes. Modern throttle bodies are a servo motor type - good ones still have a spring to 'fail safe' - not all do. They no longer use a cable to physically 'pull' it open - a canbus signal is sent to the servo, to control the butterfly. I'm guessing electric vehicles use solid state gubbins to control the high power feed to the electric motor(s) - there is no mechanical link.
@@ianstobie An override switch would be good, like a track car uses. Most cars have detachable headrests that can break the door glass, probably since the 90's. I couldn't imagine the rotund or elderly being able to do though, especially in a panic.
This is why the government need to get into the habit of taking remote control of private vehicles. Big Brother has a duty o prevent these citizens from fear yet maintain robust sales figures.. Police forensics must not be diverted from uncovering thought non-crime.
Wow what a nightmare, mote automated cars are, the more dangerous they are !
What a terrifying experience, hats off and many thanks to the expertise of the police, it could have ended very
badly.
I bet this guy will never have another electric car 'given' to him !
Thanks geoff for this excellent interview 😊