I don't know if the Sonos sub mini is inferior to its gen 3, but I can say that I have the sub mini connected to my arc, positioned next to my sofa and it even makes the sofa vibrate during explosion scenes. very good and I don't regret buying it. It has fantastic value for money. I bought mine for $343.00 during the year-end holidays. I even leave mine set at -1 because I live in an apartment and it even vibrates the furniture inside the room.
I love your content. Thank you for taking the time to be so thorough and informative in all of your videos, the b-roll footage is excellent as well. Very professionally done.
HI Peter, I have always enjoyed your detailed and easy to understand videos but am not sure why you need to spend most of the video justifying why your channel is different! It’s rather cringey to keep hearing le. Believe in your channel approach and strength! Discerning viewers (like me hehe ) can easily tell without any scientific tests. LOL.
I was thinking of commenting the exact same thing but didn't want to come across as rude. The truth is every time I watch these reviews, I automatically think "Wow this is some in-depth stuff, that no other reviewer does". I can safely assume that most of Peters viewers think the same way too, so it doesn't need to be mentioned tbh. Glad someone mentioned it. Even more respect to Peter for taking it in the right spirit! Keep up the awesome work!
Good examination of the specifications. I'd add that while the surface area of the Sub Mini's drivers compared with the Sub, we must also expect the excursion to be lower on the Sub Mini and also for it to have a lower powered amplifier based on the selling price. So, total output is not only a function of cone area.
I don't have a close up shot of the Sub mini in action, but if I show you a video, you can actually, just maybe, glimpse that the cone excursion is something of a small wonder... Let's see about that. :) Can't wait to test out for sure!
I have the mini. Its more than sufficient for my living room. It measures 16 ft x 42 ft. At times to much base and I have to turn it down. I think for the average household it is more than adequate for music and movies. I'm quite impressed with it. I have it hooked up with the arc. Excellent results. Thanks for your informative reviews
It sounded superb right out of the box! My own "non-review" unit came too and I managed to squeeze some time to make a full review of that with the Beam Gen 2 and One setup, all new!
I have the Sub Mini now for already 3 days and I can confirm that the Sub Mini ist an excellent sub for Music and for Moves. I use it in my 40 M2 Living Room togehter with the sonos arc an two One and I#m very happy with the performance. The sub mini boosts the bass of the whole system and takes the bass work away from the arc and improves the clarity and the sound of the arc.
Waited more 5 years and I’m going to buy it. I don’t care what they say it’s good to pair with. It will be good for the Arc and Beam and everything in the line.
Hi Peter, Thks for sharing some details, specially the surface cone. I guess more surface means more power to move them. I would be curious to know the power of the amplifiers.. Another point you did not mentioned: the Mini is not meant to be laid on his side! Stand up only! Contrary to the Sub that can be set in both positions …
Peter, your videos, and your presentation style are both outstanding. Thank you sincerely for the work you do. This fairly new subscriber will be contributing to your "coffee fund."
Great info as always,, thank you. I just wanted to add , the mini may have a driver cone surface advantage, but without comparing the max end to end linear excursion of the drivers on both units, it may not yeild any meaningful advantages
@@PeterPee 20 products purchased or gifted to date. I am now approaching the center of the earth. Wifie does not wish to hear the word SONOS any longer.
My setup is an Arc, Sub mini and 2 ERA 300’s and i sold my Sub gen2. My sub mini is on the right side of my TV and the port is facing front. Listening to music (bass/treble configured in app) it sounds to my needs. Watching a movie i change the positioning of the sub mini 180 degrees in the app. This will give way more bass to the ERA300’s and Arc. It really is, and that without moving the sub mini physically. Can you explain how this works Peter? Imo the sub mini works with music and with movies by changing this setting in the Sonos v2 app.
Thank you for the info , you definitely know sonos. I watched the video but wasn't sure weather or not the sub mini is sealed o right not. Is the sub mini actually Sealed?
If you build it they will come(and subscribe).. but if you give a really bad sales pitch why you are better, they will not come(and subscribe). Keep it up and thank you Peter for your videos. I use your videos to learn about everything i need help with and my confidence making a decision/purchase is the most confidence ive ever experienced ever about anything ever in my life... wish i could feel that way in my love life, abilities and others.. keep it up and just remember this counterintuitive truth nugget about getting subscribers. You havent heard anywhere else i promise you i will be the only one to give you this info you wont find anywhere else; -a quick fast subtle statement to subscribe, will get you more subscribers then any other strategy, in fact the more people over think (being funny clever or anything long winded or repeated) the more us viewers will go out of our way to not subscribe or simply click out of the video or pretty much do the opposite of anything you want us to do. Anyways, as far as ur videos content and everything you do A+++ %100 Thank you for your time and effort i always watch your videos id be lost without them being unhappy stuck with 2 sonos 5's with 2 beams; instead of 4 sl's 2 subs and an arc hahah (sonos humor if u dont get it u dont know).
Their reasoning so far is that the movement of the Roam and Move will break the sub connection and I think they probably haven't figured out how to get the software to execute the unpairing automatically.
@@PeterPee doesn’t make sense I use mine as a pair in my house moving them to what room I’m in I would also take the sub , I think Sonos are loosing out to a massive amount of potential buyers by not just upgrading there software to include there portable speaker range , and if you know the move it’s far from portable,and the fact that the mini sub looks exactly like the move seams to be putting a finger up to move owners , not a happy Sonos owner at the moment 😡
fantastic video and great details, as always Peter. As soon as I heard about the sub mini.. I thought peter is going to compare the volume and driver area of the sub gen 3 and the mini.. and Lo and behold! I've already checked the weight of my sub gen 3 from the previous videos and it checks out. :)
I can see that Sonos is attempting to bring more into its eco system with the sub mini and I applaud them for this. I feel with the beam in a average sized room the sub mini will be adequate and performance will be good enough for the vast majority of users. The sub gen 3 though will definitely in my opinion be better for those action movies where there are explosions and action scenes, especially in a larger room. I currently have the arc and two SL’s for rear speakers and feel that given the size of my room the sub mini will suffice, if only to release more from the arc. Having said that I do feel the sub gen 3 is the better buy for the long term.
I've held off on buying the sub gen 3 because of the cost and the concern of disturbing my neighbors below. Excited to see how the sub mini performs because I really want the mini so that my arc will not have to perform all the bass itself.
Thank you for your detail video. I just got a two questions. I recently got the Arc and want to add rear speaker. Would the seal speaker a better choice like Sonos ones SL or the port speakers like the Ikea frames. Leaning toward the frame to save space but if the difference is big then I will go with the ones SL. Thank you
Thank you for the great information you give. Question, I have a Gen 3 can I add the mini to be a 2nd sub to my system? Also will you be doing a video on the latest update 4.20??
This was great, thanks mate! Would you suggest the mini would be good enough for a smaller lounge room where music is more my poison rather than action movies. I'm a musician and love a variety of many types of music.. so thinking to add a sub to my arc. Any response is greatly appreciated 👍🏻
I recall alot of the beam gen 2 vs Arc reviews early on where like “it’s an Arc killer!” now a year later we know it’s no competition - apples to oranges just like this sub mini apples to oranges to the sub gen 3
Well I would not call the beam 2 an arc killer but it is a nice little soundbar that sounds surprisingly well with music in my opinion. Regarding music, even better than the arc but that is my personal opinion.
Nice work. It will be really interesting to know that amplifier output draw comparison between the 2 subs. Having the air compression behind the mini with the larger driver area...
Excelent video Peter, thanks. Curious to see how Sub mini’s larger drivers will perform against Gen 3’s smaller drivers but with more space and ports. Looking forward for your tests as always 😊
Hi Peter... I've been thinking about the issue of weight... if the weight of the sub mini is half of gene 3... but the weight is similar to that of a sonos Five which is sealed, so why can not this small sub give a low response at least a little better than the five and very wax to the sub generation 3
Sorry I don’t really get your last sentence. But it will definitely give more bass than the fives. It will add to the fives’ bass output. But because the fives bass output is already VERY good, it might not give the best returns on investment as incremental performance is not so high.
let me try to reword my last sentence... Do you think that the sub mini being sealed and with half the weight of a sub gene 3 can give a similar performance? i'm thinking to add a sub to my one's sl pair stereo only for music.
Hey, newbie question here. Just getting into SONOS and I have two Roam portables which I use mostly in my kitchen. What is the technical hurdle to pairing them with a Sub Mini?
Thanks Peter for another great video. I love the setup of your videos and the depth of information you share. You definitely pulled me into the Sonos eco system ;)
Huh! That sounds odd. Meaning... they actually reduced the weight further? That's quite a bit off. Below a pound difference I can possibly credit it scale calibration but a 3 pound difference sounds real. Are you also sure that your scale is on a flat hard surface?
@@PeterPeeit was on hardwood/laminate flooring when I weighed it. 26.2 lbs... I was surprised. 10 lbs off advertised weight seems odd to me. Should I be concerned? This is my first sub ever.
Thanks for the info regarding cone surface area. I am very curious about how the mini will sound in the end. It reminds me a bit of the SVS SB3000 micro Subwoofer which I always found awesome…!
Excellent video Peter! I learned quite a bit from this video especially in the great details on Sonos tech! I find Sonos Sub mini is overpriced in HK and Singapore by a big margin but I was unable to get a good explanation from the distributor in HK! I have noticed that most retail prices for Sonos products when compared with US Retail prices was around 20% premium in HK, a margin I am willing to pay for considering HK is a smaller market. However, Sonos sub mini are priced at 40% premium after tax and duties (which is 0% in HK) are applied in the aforementioned 2 locations. I wonder if you may have an explanation on why such jump in price just for Sub Mini? BTW, fyi, Singapore @S$869 = US$616 , is also under the similar price premium over US/UK/Australia, i.e. US @US$429/UK @£429/Australia @$699. The premium is enough to cover buying from the US direct and ship over with freight. The worse is that it makes me think twice if I should continue to invest in Sonos. The concern I have is that the huge price premium may reduce Sonos' market share here in HK and drive the distributor to struggle which may risk Sonos supporters without support!
Hi Peter, as a fellow singaporean, im sure you’re aware of the size of the living room of a bto 4-room HDB. In your own opinion, do you think the sub gen 3 kinda “overkill” in regards to the small size of the living room? Given the square feet of the living room is relatively small, i do think the sub mini would suffice the entire living room. Weighing options now 😅
There you go! The review is out! The sub mini might actually suffice for your case! New 4 room flats built within the last 10-15 years no problem for the sub mini.
To steer you into spending more money. I'm looking forward to trying out the Sub Mini with my Arc. My TV room is only about 8x14, so the mini should be more than enough.
No I don't have the exact... I am recalling from a mental image.... About 40cm high, and 28cm x 28cm base... 2 handle cutouts by the sides near the top...
So , the first secret of the sub mini is ... drum-roll.... it has a smaller volume (so it's actually smaller !) and weighs less then the sonos sub ..... wow who would have guessed that !. What a detail many of us would have missed !
Can you also pair it with 2 Five's and see whether the mini is a better quality sound than pairing the Five's with the Sub Gen 3. This would help me decide which Sub to buy for my Five's. I'm ready to buy as soon as you've tested both set up's. Roll on October 6th. Can't wait to see what test's you've got planned. Thanks for your amazing reviews.
It will be interesting to see how well it performs, generally a sealed cabinet is able to get lower bass freq than a ported cabinet, if it has a combined woofer size of 12" I'm not that surprised they say it can get to 25hz however I think it will have huge drop off at that frequency due to having such a small enclosure. To get down to a true sustained 20hz at high spl levels takes a very large enclosure and at least a 12"+ woofer and 100-300w+ power design, I think the cheapest 20hz sub I can think of is the yamaha sw300 (I'm sure there's cheaper unknown branded ones but the yammy is £300ish). This is how I'd compare subs if it's similar price but obviously the sonos tax is real :)
@@PeterPee I'm not a hater of sonos products I do really Like some of them but with the full end arc setup it doesn't seem worth it compared to the other brands high end units that come with included 2.2 rears and subwoofers. I think being able to add two subs is good and something you can't generally do on the other brands but when you add it all up you could have purchased a serious separate system that would blow it to pieces. I guess you'd be looking at 2000-3000£$€ for the arc, the large sub and two rears. And they don't have atmos rears yet. (although I hear possibly soon might) if they add atmos rears and overhead atmos speakers then it would justify the price a bit more for the unique options at least.
I don't know if the Sonos sub mini is inferior to its gen 3, but I can say that I have the sub mini connected to my arc, positioned next to my sofa and it even makes the sofa vibrate during explosion scenes. very good and I don't regret buying it. It has fantastic value for money. I bought mine for $343.00 during the year-end holidays. I even leave mine set at -1 because I live in an apartment and it even vibrates the furniture inside the room.
You are doing a great job. This is the best and clearest video so far. Respect bro!!
I love your content. Thank you for taking the time to be so thorough and informative in all of your videos, the b-roll footage is excellent as well. Very professionally done.
Hey thanks! I thought the B roll could be better. My handling of a camera outside the studio really sucks. :)
Your channel is just pure gold in terms of home theater and music setups. Thank you very much!
Wow, thanks!
Pre ordered it yesterday! Can’t wait to hear it now after this video!! Thanks Peter!!
Hope you enjoy it!
This is my first time coming across your videos. I love the details you provided. Good job!
Thanks for putting your appreciation down in writing!
Your videos are amazing and very informative. No need to reassure us..just keep creating these videos.
Thank you, I will! Thanks for the feedback!
Danke!
Hey! Your contribution and appreciation is... appreciated!
HI Peter, I have always enjoyed your detailed and easy to understand videos but am not sure why you need to spend most of the video justifying why your channel is different! It’s rather cringey to keep hearing le. Believe in your channel approach and strength! Discerning viewers (like me hehe ) can easily tell without any scientific tests. LOL.
Oops! Ok, feedback taken. :) Thanks for sharing and appreciating!
100% agree. Peter, you have a niche of your own and your content speaks for itself. By over-pitching yourself you are diluting your own messaging.
It’s for new subscribers. Not everything is about you 😂
Agree!! 3 minutes of self promotion is very cringe indeed.
I was thinking of commenting the exact same thing but didn't want to come across as rude. The truth is every time I watch these reviews, I automatically think "Wow this is some in-depth stuff, that no other reviewer does". I can safely assume that most of Peters viewers think the same way too, so it doesn't need to be mentioned tbh.
Glad someone mentioned it. Even more respect to Peter for taking it in the right spirit! Keep up the awesome work!
Very interesting Peter... Thanks for sharing! Very informative as always!
Thank you Alan!
Thanks
Thank you Jain!
Good examination of the specifications. I'd add that while the surface area of the Sub Mini's drivers compared with the Sub, we must also expect the excursion to be lower on the Sub Mini and also for it to have a lower powered amplifier based on the selling price. So, total output is not only a function of cone area.
I don't have a close up shot of the Sub mini in action, but if I show you a video, you can actually, just maybe, glimpse that the cone excursion is something of a small wonder... Let's see about that. :) Can't wait to test out for sure!
I have the mini. Its more than sufficient for my living room. It measures 16 ft x 42 ft. At times to much base and I have to turn it down. I think for the average household it is more than adequate for music and movies. I'm quite impressed with it. I have it hooked up with the arc. Excellent results. Thanks for your informative reviews
I find your videos very informative. I’m new with sonos and learning a lot from you. Thank you for your service.
You are most welcome John.
I love you Peter! Thank you so much for all your research and advice
Thanks for your support!
Thanks Peter Pee!
Thank you Brian!
Peter you are extremely smart and very thorough in your videos
Aiyoh, shy la. Thank you!
Thanks!
Many thanks for your kind appreciation!
Awesome info and comparison Pete. I just got my mini today and so far sounds great. I’ll give it awhile to break-in.
It sounded superb right out of the box! My own "non-review" unit came too and I managed to squeeze some time to make a full review of that with the Beam Gen 2 and One setup, all new!
@Peter Pee yes I am very happy with my set up of Sonos One, Beam 2, and now Mini Sub. So clean and crisp for our medium sized living room.
I have the Sub Mini now for already 3 days and I can confirm that the Sub Mini ist an excellent sub for Music and for Moves. I use it in my 40 M2 Living Room togehter with the sonos arc an two One and I#m very happy with the performance. The sub mini boosts the bass of the whole system and takes the bass work away from the arc and improves the clarity and the sound of the arc.
That’s fantastic. Glad to hear that the sub mini is performing even in such a large space.
@@PeterPee i can confirm. Ir works good with sub mini and arc.
I want know now buy this for movies sub mini with beam gen 2 or not i don’t want lose my money please answer
I will be releasing that video soon. Please hang on. Finalising the test.
What if you close the ports of the sub gen3, is it than seald version?
Thank you for the video ! I'll be waiting for the analysis when you got the Sub Mini.
Thanks for your support! That will be soon!
Another outstanding video Peter .. thank you so much
You are so very welcome!
Excellent analysis Peter! Can’t wait to get one for my setup.
Waited more 5 years and I’m going to buy it. I don’t care what they say it’s good to pair with. It will be good for the Arc and Beam and everything in the line.
Haha... spoken like a true wireless audiophile!
Thank you Peter!! Looking forward to the comparison video!!
Everyday is one day closer!
Hi Peter, Thks for sharing some details, specially the surface cone. I guess more surface means more power to move them. I would be curious to know the power of the amplifiers..
Another point you did not mentioned: the Mini is not meant to be laid on his side! Stand up only! Contrary to the Sub that can be set in both positions …
Huh! I did overlook that! You are absolutely right!
Great points! Fantastic work 🔥
Thank you for appreciating!
Great video. Thanks Peter. Can't wait for the Sub mini review.
I am having sleepless nights waiting for it too! :)
Do you have a time frame for review?
Peter, your videos, and your presentation style are both outstanding. Thank you sincerely for the work you do. This fairly new subscriber will be contributing to your "coffee fund."
THANK YOU BRIAN!
Very informative, thank you! More and more seems to push me in the Mini direction.
I am quite smitten with the sub mini! And I definitely want a sealed sub option.
what type is the sonos playbar?
very detailed vid! keep up the work! you've my sub
Thanks for the sub there!
Hope we will be able to connect 2 sub minis in the future!
Hello Peter, do you mind sharing where to buy your wall absorbing panels? they look great, thanks
I bought it off a local seller on a marketplace called Carousell. But he is not a dealer and only has a few pieces. I’m still looking for more!
@@PeterPee thanks man
Great info as always,, thank you. I just wanted to add , the mini may have a driver cone surface advantage, but without comparing the max end to end linear excursion of the drivers on both units, it may not yeild any meaningful advantages
Great point! Because the excursion of a ported sub usually ends up to be higher. There is less pressure to fight in a open ported design!
Which side of my mortar board should I place the tassel??
Haha... Arnie, all of us on this channel are graduated from Sonos' rabbit hole, and then some. So maybe wear it on both sides now.
@@PeterPee 20 products purchased or gifted to date. I am now approaching the center of the earth. Wifie does not wish to hear the word SONOS any longer.
My setup is an Arc, Sub mini and 2 ERA 300’s and i sold my Sub gen2. My sub mini is on the right side of my TV and the port is facing front. Listening to music (bass/treble configured in app) it sounds to my needs. Watching a movie i change the positioning of the sub mini 180 degrees in the app. This will give way more bass to the ERA300’s and Arc. It really is, and that without moving the sub mini physically. Can you explain how this works Peter? Imo the sub mini works with music and with movies by changing this setting in the Sonos v2 app.
Does anyone know when the embargo is up?
Thanks Peter... when finishing the embargo for new analisis about Sonos sub mini?
Peter my man, you scienced the shit out of the subs and slapped some math like a boss 🔥
Haha, obsession can drive strange behaviour.
My take from you is the Sonos Arc and the sub-mini in a medium to large room will suffice?
Whats up with update 14.16
Video released!
Hey Peter, great video. To collect some data :) My Sub Gen 3 weighs also 13kg
Thanks for this info!
I weighted my Sub Gen1. Yes. Gen 1. It is 14.80kg. Hope this help
Hey that’s cool! Nice cos I never had a gen 1 to weigh before!
Peter, without your channal we were lost 😍😍😍. Bjarne from Denmark Europe
Wow that's high praise! Thank you!
Thank you for the info , you definitely know sonos. I watched the video but wasn't sure weather or not the sub mini is sealed o right not. Is the sub mini actually Sealed?
Thank you Peter, in a future review can you set up with a Arc to see the result please.
Definitely on my todo list!
If you build it they will come(and subscribe).. but if you give a really bad sales pitch why you are better, they will not come(and subscribe). Keep it up and thank you Peter for your videos. I use your videos to learn about everything i need help with and my confidence making a decision/purchase is the most confidence ive ever experienced ever about anything ever in my life... wish i could feel that way in my love life, abilities and others.. keep it up and just remember this counterintuitive truth nugget about getting subscribers. You havent heard anywhere else i promise you i will be the only one to give you this info you wont find anywhere else; -a quick fast subtle statement to subscribe, will get you more subscribers then any other strategy, in fact the more people over think (being funny clever or anything long winded or repeated) the more us viewers will go out of our way to not subscribe or simply click out of the video or pretty much do the opposite of anything you want us to do. Anyways, as far as ur videos content and everything you do A+++ %100 Thank you for your time and effort i always watch your videos id be lost without them being unhappy stuck with 2 sonos 5's with 2 beams; instead of 4 sl's 2 subs and an arc hahah (sonos humor if u dont get it u dont know).
Lol
He's right^^ also thank u im preordering 2 mini subs! Thank u for sealing my decisions peter!
Why will none of Sonos subs pair with the Move ? I have 2 Moves that I use as a stereo pair and would love to add a sub .
Their reasoning so far is that the movement of the Roam and Move will break the sub connection and I think they probably haven't figured out how to get the software to execute the unpairing automatically.
@@PeterPee doesn’t make sense I use mine as a pair in my house moving them to what room I’m in I would also take the sub , I think Sonos are loosing out to a massive amount of potential buyers by not just upgrading there software to include there portable speaker range , and if you know the move it’s far from portable,and the fact that the mini sub looks exactly like the move seams to be putting a finger up to move owners , not a happy Sonos owner at the moment 😡
Thanks for the very interesting informations. Can‘t wait to pair it with my Arc. I love the round design and the smaller size !😊
Yeah, sound aside, it is a great form factor.
fantastic video and great details, as always Peter. As soon as I heard about the sub mini.. I thought peter is going to compare the volume and driver area of the sub gen 3 and the mini.. and Lo and behold!
I've already checked the weight of my sub gen 3 from the previous videos and it checks out. :)
Cool! Thanks for your support all along!
I can see that Sonos is attempting to bring more into its eco system with the sub mini and I applaud them for this. I feel with the beam in a average sized room the sub mini will be adequate and performance will be good enough for the vast majority of users. The sub gen 3 though will definitely in my opinion be better for those action movies where there are explosions and action scenes, especially in a larger room. I currently have the arc and two SL’s for rear speakers and feel that given the size of my room the sub mini will suffice, if only to release more from the arc. Having said that I do feel the sub gen 3 is the better buy for the long term.
We'll see how it goes in the long run. Most Sonos products do retain value quite well. Actually, the champ of value retention is the Sonos One!
Peter. I just weighed mine. G2 sub is 32.6lb , G3 is 29.0
Fantastic! Thanks for your help! And so you have both! :)
@@PeterPee yes. Believe it or not I have one of each!
10:53 you said the sub mini is NOT sealed. Is this a mistake Peter?
Oh yes! Thanks for catching that! It is the first sealed subwoofer from Sonos!
Thanks Rob! I have made your comment into the video description! I hope everyone reads it and not get confused!
Are you recommend Sub Mini for a setup with Arc + 2 One SL?
Wait for a definitive answer please. Just bear with me another x day.
@@PeterPee Thank you. I will be waiting for your answer. :)
Just wish you can add more than one with the mini
I've held off on buying the sub gen 3 because of the cost and the concern of disturbing my neighbors below. Excited to see how the sub mini performs because I really want the mini so that my arc will not have to perform all the bass itself.
And a sealed sub might actually do that trick for you... I seriously think so.
You should have got the beam also 😂
Thank you for your detail video. I just got a two questions. I recently got the Arc and want to add rear speaker. Would the seal speaker a better choice like Sonos ones SL or the port speakers like the Ikea frames. Leaning toward the frame to save space but if the difference is big then I will go with the ones SL. Thank you
I found the sub mini perfect to pair with our BEAM Gen2+Era100’s for our master bedroom system. It’s perfect for our tv shows.
Hi Peter which one should go better with the playbar. The sub gen 3 or the sub mini?
Depends on room size. Big room go for sub gen 3. Smaller than 250 SQ feet probably good with sub mini.
@@PeterPee thanks a lot I
Great vid Peter
I loved this video too!
Hi Peter If i use ARC+sub mini for movie is it good ?
Hi Peter, love your reviews..do you have one for best setup specs using an Arc, 2 Fives and a Sub Gen 3? Thanks!!
Thank you for the great information you give. Question, I have a Gen 3 can I add the mini to be a 2nd sub to my system? Also will you be doing a video on the latest update 4.20??
Hello, I’m looking for Sonos, I’m quite interesting on sub mini, but is it perfect for arc or beam? Thank you
I would guess it's perfect for the Beam. Arc, I need to test it out but I am sure it will sound better with any sub!
This was great, thanks mate! Would you suggest the mini would be good enough for a smaller lounge room where music is more my poison rather than action movies. I'm a musician and love a variety of many types of music.. so thinking to add a sub to my arc. Any response is greatly appreciated 👍🏻
Mr. pee, if I buy the sub mini to add to my arc do I have to retune it with true play again ? Thank u
I recall alot of the beam gen 2 vs Arc reviews early on where like “it’s an Arc killer!”
now a year later we know it’s no competition - apples to oranges just like this sub mini apples to oranges to the sub gen 3
Well I would not call the beam 2 an arc killer but it is a nice little soundbar that sounds surprisingly well with music in my opinion. Regarding music, even better than the arc but that is my personal opinion.
Yeah, I guess that is part of the initial hubris surrounding a new product launch. Let's really test this new sub and see how it performs!
@@PeterPee yes sir!
Peter: My Gen 3 Sub weighed in @ 29.2 lb. FYI.
Thanks for the help! Yeah. That confirms what I measured too.
Nice work. It will be really interesting to know that amplifier output draw comparison between the 2 subs. Having the air compression behind the mini with the larger driver area...
Spot on Chris... Questions in my head...
Excelent video Peter, thanks. Curious to see how Sub mini’s larger drivers will perform against Gen 3’s smaller drivers but with more space and ports.
Looking forward for your tests as always 😊
Good question and those are the points I am wondering to myself.
Hi Peter... I've been thinking about the issue of weight... if the weight of the sub mini is half of gene 3... but the weight is similar to that of a sonos Five which is sealed, so why can not this small sub give a low response at least a little better than the five and very wax to the sub generation 3
Sorry I don’t really get your last sentence. But it will definitely give more bass than the fives. It will add to the fives’ bass output. But because the fives bass output is already VERY good, it might not give the best returns on investment as incremental performance is not so high.
let me try to reword my last sentence...
Do you think that the sub mini being sealed and with half the weight of a sub gene 3 can give a similar performance?
i'm thinking to add a sub to my one's sl pair stereo only for music.
Is the Playbase sealed or ported?
The playbase is of a ported design.
Great video again! Thank you! Going to weigh my Sub Gen3 soon…
Thanks Keith!
Hey, newbie question here.
Just getting into SONOS and I have two Roam portables which I use mostly in my kitchen. What is the technical hurdle to pairing them with a Sub Mini?
You can't. Sonos doesn't allow pairing any sub with the portables including roam and move.
Thanks Peter for another great video. I love the setup of your videos and the depth of information you share. You definitely pulled me into the Sonos eco system ;)
Damn, I really need to apply for the job of a Sonos salesman.
I just bought a black sub gen 3 from Sonos a few days ago, and it weighs 26.2 lbs! Is that normal?
Huh! That sounds odd. Meaning... they actually reduced the weight further? That's quite a bit off. Below a pound difference I can possibly credit it scale calibration but a 3 pound difference sounds real. Are you also sure that your scale is on a flat hard surface?
@@PeterPeeit was on hardwood/laminate flooring when I weighed it. 26.2 lbs... I was surprised. 10 lbs off advertised weight seems odd to me. Should I be concerned? This is my first sub ever.
Not happy Peter! If this performs better than my Gen 2 i will freak out😀
Haha. I actually… have that same concern….
Thanks for the info regarding cone surface area. I am very curious about how the mini will sound in the end. It reminds me a bit of the SVS SB3000 micro Subwoofer which I always found awesome…!
Yes! You are right! I have the SVS SB3000 micro and I really REALLY want to pitch the two of them together!
I want to see this battle! This would be such a wonderful study.
@@PeterPee whaaaat XD
I really believe we will be impressed with the mini’s performance
Love it !!!
Thank you!
Slightly off topic, but looking for the 14.15 update review? I have an arc with sl surrounds and gen 3 sub, sound seems to be very well balanced.
Is your trueplay turned off? Actually, you know what, sound is a strange thing... we might have all gotten used to it!? Gasp!
great content
Thanks GW!
Excellent video Peter! I learned quite a bit from this video especially in the great details on Sonos tech!
I find Sonos Sub mini is overpriced in HK and Singapore by a big margin but I was unable to get a good explanation from the distributor in HK! I have noticed that most retail prices for Sonos products when compared with US Retail prices was around 20% premium in HK, a margin I am willing to pay for considering HK is a smaller market. However, Sonos sub mini are priced at 40% premium after tax and duties (which is 0% in HK) are applied in the aforementioned 2 locations. I wonder if you may have an explanation on why such jump in price just for Sub Mini? BTW, fyi, Singapore @S$869 = US$616 , is also under the similar price premium over US/UK/Australia, i.e. US @US$429/UK @£429/Australia @$699. The premium is enough to cover buying from the US direct and ship over with freight. The worse is that it makes me think twice if I should continue to invest in Sonos. The concern I have is that the huge price premium may reduce Sonos' market share here in HK and drive the distributor to struggle which may risk Sonos supporters without support!
The pricing in HK and SG is indeed marked up quite a bit unfortunately.
Can 2 of the Sub Minis be paired up?
No can’t
Will mini perform better for music's with Arc + one sl as surround?
Not sure yet. I need to test it to know.
can’t wait for a comparison
I can’t wait too!
I have Arc and two One SLs. Do you think it is worth considering adding the Sub Mini? Mostly for music...
I actually think it's worth even getting the Sub Gen 3, the bigger one. I am a big proponent of subwoofers so....
Hi Peter, as a fellow singaporean, im sure you’re aware of the size of the living room of a bto 4-room HDB. In your own opinion, do you think the sub gen 3 kinda “overkill” in regards to the small size of the living room? Given the square feet of the living room is relatively small, i do think the sub mini would suffice the entire living room. Weighing options now 😅
There you go! The review is out! The sub mini might actually suffice for your case! New 4 room flats built within the last 10-15 years no problem for the sub mini.
Why doesn’t Sonos do a recommendation to pair it with the Arc? On the site it states : Beam, Ray and One SL
Cos they are assuming arc users will spend more on the sub anyway since they already spent double on the arc.
@@PeterPee valid point, but maybe the Mini sounds better then my Sub gen 3😅😂
To steer you into spending more money. I'm looking forward to trying out the Sub Mini with my Arc. My TV room is only about 8x14, so the mini should be more than enough.
Hi Peter. This may sound unnecessary but do you have info of the packaging dimension of the sub mini?
No I don't have the exact... I am recalling from a mental image.... About 40cm high, and 28cm x 28cm base... 2 handle cutouts by the sides near the top...
@@PeterPee thanks for the info.
How much is the Mini?
429USD.
Peter, will I be able to pair with an existing Sub3??
No cannot.
So , the first secret of the sub mini is ... drum-roll.... it has a smaller volume (so it's actually smaller !) and weighs less then the sonos sub ..... wow who would have guessed that !. What a detail many of us would have missed !
So if the surface area is 44% bigger. Does that mean it would produce a louder punchier volume than a Sub Gen 3.
I have not tested or heard them side by side... but that will be the first thing that I will be testing out!
Can you also pair it with 2 Five's and see whether the mini is a better quality sound than pairing the Five's with the Sub Gen 3.
This would help me decide which Sub to buy for my Five's. I'm ready to buy as soon as you've tested both set up's. Roll on October 6th. Can't wait to see what test's you've got planned. Thanks for your amazing reviews.
Hasn't the bass output of the sub gen 3 been reduced though
I have the bean (Gen 2) and a par of SL. This is exactly what was missing from my current setup. I did the preorder, I hope I did not make a mistake
I think you might find this to be the second best decision after buying the beam.
It will be interesting to see how well it performs, generally a sealed cabinet is able to get lower bass freq than a ported cabinet, if it has a combined woofer size of 12" I'm not that surprised they say it can get to 25hz however I think it will have huge drop off at that frequency due to having such a small enclosure. To get down to a true sustained 20hz at high spl levels takes a very large enclosure and at least a 12"+ woofer and 100-300w+ power design, I think the cheapest 20hz sub I can think of is the yamaha sw300 (I'm sure there's cheaper unknown branded ones but the yammy is £300ish). This is how I'd compare subs if it's similar price but obviously the sonos tax is real :)
Oh yes, the Sonos tax is real... but that's also because of the software... that adds to the value that they are expecting consumers to pay for.
@@PeterPee I'm not a hater of sonos products I do really
Like some of them but with the full end arc setup it doesn't seem worth it compared to the other brands high end units that come with included 2.2 rears and subwoofers. I think being able to add two subs is good and something you can't generally do on the other brands but when you add it all up you could have purchased a serious separate system that would blow it to pieces. I guess you'd be looking at 2000-3000£$€ for the arc, the large sub and two rears. And they don't have atmos rears yet. (although I hear possibly soon might) if they add atmos rears and overhead atmos speakers then it would justify the price a bit more for the unique options at least.
Well done!
Thanks Pyro!