Having put a 16” CZ 457 MTR in a both a KRG and an Oryx, the Oryx is the way to go. Sold my KRG and kept the Oryx. However, with that said, I like the factory stock on the Pro Varmint. It’s both attractive and comfortable.
I have a 10/22 in the KRG its too slick for my taste so I had to ad grip compound but it is light and on a lightweight target build but on my 457s I love my pro varmit mtr factory stock and on my Varmint Precision 457 is also pretty nice for factory not the biggest fan of the Luth-AR butt stock on the precision but it will work for now
Yes. The krg isnt much heavier so its not improving anything but having arca. When we get to the other chassis the weight and balance will start helping a little more
I have the Pro Varmint on the KRG chassis. I like some things about it and some things I dont. I have the Athlon HELOS BTR GEN2 4-20×50 optic. I have a Ultradyne Apollo max comp on the barrel that definitely helped groups from original. I reprofiled some SK Standard Plus from .980 over all length to .960 with a Waltz die. The ogive went from .224 stock to .2255. The gun, shooting 10 shot groups, were sub moa @ 100 consistently with many going through the same hole. I only brought 2 boxes of SK so I switched to Fed Auto Match for the 50 and stacked them. These were not reprofiled. I noticed right off that fliers and groups were reduced and smaller with that Ultradyne on it. I had a pretty interesting test day to say the least.
I like the KRG Bravo..more stable with the bipod and your cheek on the riser looked solid...Looking forward to see what barrel you've selected. Does the temperature of the ammo effect the accuracy at 50 or 100 yards? another comment on your aspirin and card shot..simply amazing..180 yards..WOW!!! you may want to double clamp the playing card to get the clean cut..not sure why RUclips pulled that video... i suspect they're all jealous they can't shoot as good as you. LOL
Have really been enjoying your videos, very informative and entertaining. However I can't get over how much you and Seb Vettel look alike. Scary the similarity.
This is a good example of why experienced shooters ask a newbie who is soliciting recommendations about what their intentions are before offering advice. Weight is important for bench accuracy but sucks if you are hunting and hiking up a steep hillside. As such this illustrates that the KRG isn’t going to gain anything for benchrest accuracy but it’s a good choice if you don’t want to lose anything for a lighter setup to hunt with.
Since I have the Element 4.0 chassis I’m really looking forward to that video. I have mine set up with the internal weights and then I put on the weighted Arca rail from Area 419. Man does the weight help! Keep up the great videos. 👍
I’m trying to decide between the bravo, mdt xrs and the oryx. i would love to see a comparison between the xrs and the bravo! any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! the gun i’m building is a bench only gun. cheers…
@@PursuitofAccuracy thank you :) why I ask? On your video I see how stable your rifle is. When I’m aiming, I fight to be on center, my POI is like nervous point running. I guess I have unstable bipod (a’la Harris) and poor so much light rear bag filled with extremely light fill.
Excellent vid. I'm thrilled to see you are going to show some other chassis' options. I just put pro varmint in a MDT XRS. It was shooting 0.2's to 0.3's before and after. But, the feel in the heavier MDT chassis was much nicer. If it holds good groups out to 100, I won't be able to justify an aftermarket barrel , but might try it anyway for the play value. Josh, I plan on going with the Ares eventually and Area 419 rail. What rings are you using with the Ares, and what height? thanks Everybody remember to cast your 15 votes each day of the month for Josh at the Gundies !
I just got min cz457 Varmit pro . I went to adjust trigger and found my screws were not even hand tiight lol tight them 25in pounds shooting sk match like a lazer . Red box
Great stock, but not needed on the CZ. The one for the Ruger 10/22 I think would show improvement in accuracy. Great video, keep at it. Looks like fun! 👍🏻❤️🇺🇸
The krg is a big open pit of a hole. You are really just looking for the stock mag housing. Anarchy makes a magwell for it but I havent used it a bunch
I'm curious if you have ever done any experimenting with different torque settings on your action screws, and if so, did you find any repeatable results? Thanks, great channel and great work on the vids!
No I only use the same tq setting if the stocks are the same material. Laminate with no pillar 25 in lbs Laminate with plastic pillars (mtr) 30-35 in lbs Aluminum pillars 35-40 in lbs Chassis 65 in lbs
Hey brother love the channel trying to get into long range 22 shooting competition stuck on what gun to buy for most accuracy you talk about 3 guns mostly the bergara b14 r the Tikka tx1 or the CZ 457 which is the most accurate in your opinion for the money right out the boxand if the cz is your top choice what variant is more accurate the chassis, mtr or the synthetic stock one if there is a difference at all thanks for the help and what type of scope are you using thar won't break the ank thank you again
The tikka, bmr, and cz are all accurate. With these rifles its all about finding the right ammo. Look at the athlon lineup, they are all solid and thry have a big lineup that covers almost any budget
Josh, I have always wanted to ask about Thumb Rest/Gas Peddle etc. How do these help in your shooting. I have always noticed that the more precision shooters always rest their thumbs on rest or right side of the stock.
I've been itching to do some .22 shooting and stumbled across your channel a couple days ago. I've really been enjoying the content so thanks. What part of NC?
I wonder if it would shoot some of the more economical ammunition with a before-and-after test like CCI standard maybe the stock change from CZ to KRG... would show a greater Improvement. We know the rifle shoots good groups
Id be afraid the inconsistency of the ammo would skew the results. If we use consistent good ammo we eliminate some variables and show just what you get from the stock change
I like your setup. Thinking of using a similar setup on my MTR. You mind me asking what MOA for your Area 419 scope mount and ring height? Thinking of buying the Athlon Ares ETR you have
Funny thing is that you said the new chassis and trigger is better in not so many words, but you shot better groups with a bone stock version. My experience and teaching has taught me that it's 80-90% the shooter and his level of fundamentals that he has got down and 10% the equipment.
Coming along nicely, few new additions and it will be a beats how can it not it’s CZ. What’s your timeframe to have this beast built out by is it before school or after.
Hi, what are you using for a bipod? It looks like you have an ARCA rail on the chassis. I’ve been looking for straight ARCA bipod because the pict to arca adapters cost as much as the some bipods. Thanks
Wow nice. Hey a quick question what in lbs do you torque your manners stock too? 30in can’t find anything for the manners stock. I seen you do 35 for the mtr wooden stock.
My bet is nothing you will do will make it any more accurate in terms of group size until you change the ammo or barrel, especially since it has a Timney trigger already which is a huge help for the shooter.
FWIW Your results with the Eley Match at 50 and 100 yards out of the stock rifle mirrored mine out of save for a Timney HIT trigger my stock steel barrel B14R My B14R shoots both Eley Team and RK match Rifle better than Eley Match which I guess from a economic perspective is a good thing But I have only shot one lot# of Eley Match so far
Hi Josh, I have an opportunity to buy a 457 varmint precision trainer with standard chamber. What differences can I expect between standard and match chambers? Thank you. Earl.
From my experience with both the match and non match chambers is that the non match are a little less picky on ammo but if you can find that perfect ammo for the match chamber it is hard to beat. Either clambering will serve you very well honestly. I posted some results on the fb rimfire group. The top 10 ara shooters are about 6/10 non match and 4/10 match chamber, if that helps any
I would like to buy that factory stock, or you could donate it to my cause, mainly because I'm broke. Seriously I live in NC as well and would like to upgrade my wood stock. Or if oner of your followers has one hit me up.
@@PursuitofAccuracy the one you called stock that didn't have pillars, but really I don't care if I can get a option other than the stock wood one I have.
As I had predicted beforehand the stock was going to produce no negligible results in accuracy whatsoever. I don't think the CZ16 inch enjoys shooting Eley match I would implore you to switch to to Sk pistol match for 100 yds testing. Everything groups nice at 50 yds but I'm swearing the pistol match can hold .50 to .75 inch groups at 100 yds in stock configuration all day long!
@@PursuitofAccuracy Excellent ! I am trying to figure out if it's worth rebarreling my 457. I have not had a chance to shoot past 50. I'm having a hard time imagining it getting better . I suspect the aftermarket barrel will be better at 100 and beyond.
Great series of upgrades Josh, looking foward as it progresses. The only thing is buy the end the only CZ parts will be the bolt and receiver. Thats not A CZ 457.
Since cz outsources almost all their stocks its really only going away from the factory trigger and barrel. Trust me if they sokd the 457 in just the action I would buy that. Whether or not its still a CZ is wildly debatable but to me its 100% a CZ still as its the cz action. The goal is to build the best rifle we can out of a cz. To do the best all cz parts only build would be an entirely different video series
@@PursuitofAccuracy Yes i know what this series is about. Just a built up with CZ Bolt and Action. But i will still be interested to watch the progress. Personally i prefer 20 to 24 inch barrels on 22lr rifles for what it's worth.
@@PursuitofAccuracy and that i would love to shooot but my gouvernement do not allow IT but i keep on trying Only when i go Action shooting Then they Allow IT I hoop soon you have the best channel 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Having put a 16” CZ 457 MTR in a both a KRG and an Oryx, the Oryx is the way to go. Sold my KRG and kept the Oryx. However, with that said, I like the factory stock on the Pro Varmint. It’s both attractive and comfortable.
Excellent
I have a 10/22 in the KRG its too slick for my taste so I had to ad grip compound but it is light and on a lightweight target build but on my 457s I love my pro varmit mtr factory stock and on my Varmint Precision 457 is also pretty nice for factory not the biggest fan of the Luth-AR butt stock on the precision but it will work for now
I have my 20” 457 in a KRG Bravo. I absolutely love that rifle.
Great rifle
The largest improvement that I saw was the much better stability with the bipod vs the bag.
Yes. The krg isnt much heavier so its not improving anything but having arca.
When we get to the other chassis the weight and balance will start helping a little more
I have the Pro Varmint on the KRG chassis. I like some things about it and some things I dont. I have the Athlon HELOS BTR GEN2 4-20×50 optic. I have a Ultradyne Apollo max comp on the barrel that definitely helped groups from original. I reprofiled some SK Standard Plus from .980 over all length to .960 with a Waltz die. The ogive went from .224 stock to .2255. The gun, shooting 10 shot groups, were sub moa @ 100 consistently with many going through the same hole. I only brought 2 boxes of SK so I switched to Fed Auto Match for the 50 and stacked them. These were not reprofiled. I noticed right off that fliers and groups were reduced and smaller with that Ultradyne on it. I had a pretty interesting test day to say the least.
Good video josh, watching with anticipation. Cause it’s 15 Below zero in Huron, Sd .
Ouch
It will maybe be 35degrees or a little higher next, week, January thaw, will try and plow my way into the range and Shoot.😎👍
Awesome vid and really looking forward to seeing the progression of this build 👍
Thanks Tony
I like the KRG Bravo..more stable with the bipod and your cheek on the riser looked solid...Looking forward to see what barrel you've selected. Does the temperature of the ammo effect the accuracy at 50 or 100 yards? another comment on your aspirin and card shot..simply amazing..180 yards..WOW!!! you may want to double clamp the playing card to get the clean cut..not sure why RUclips pulled that video... i suspect they're all jealous they can't shoot as good as you. LOL
Haha appreciate ya Frank.
The temp can affect MV quite a bit but I havent gotten enough data to determine if it affects accuracy and to what extent
Thank you for this video this is the kind of video I wanted to see
Looking forward to the IBI barrel test. And convince Timney to make a two stage trigger for the 457!
I dont think they would listen to me lol
Thanks for another informative video Josh. Looking forward to the rest of this build. Please be careful the next couple of months, we need you back .
Thanks Terry. I appreciate ya. I will be back for sure
Looking forward to the finished product. I know it’s going to be a great shooter. Thanks for the video
Thanks Dwayne
Have really been enjoying your videos, very informative and entertaining. However I can't get over how much you and Seb Vettel look alike. Scary the similarity.
Haha not the first time ive heard that. Guess I should have been a race car driver 🤣🤣
Just joined the precision accuracy 🥳, excellent channel 👏 👌 👍
Awesome video looking forward to the rest
Thanks
This is a good example of why experienced shooters ask a newbie who is soliciting recommendations about what their intentions are before offering advice.
Weight is important for bench accuracy but sucks if you are hunting and hiking up a steep hillside.
As such this illustrates that the KRG isn’t going to gain anything for benchrest accuracy but it’s a good choice if you don’t want to lose anything for a lighter setup to hunt with.
Great point Ron!
Ely Contact has worked for me at 50 yards really well
Awesome
Since I have the Element 4.0 chassis I’m really looking forward to that video. I have mine set up with the internal weights and then I put on the weighted Arca rail from Area 419. Man does the weight help! Keep up the great videos. 👍
Yeah this one is bare bones for right now as its really for my daughter so trying to keep it somewhat light weight for her
@@PursuitofAccuracy
That makes sense. I forgot you said it was for your daughter. Still will be a cool build.
great video have my 457 under control, sob i cant type. learnt to shoot befor reed . moved up huge. dial in a 223 at 400 yrds
Great video! Look forward to seeing what happens with this build.
Thanks Kent
I really enjoy your content! Keep it up man!
Thanks, will do!
Hey Josh
Not bad at all , can’t wait to see the final Rebuild result going by that it will be 5 in one hole , fingers crossed Steve .
I sure hope so
I’m trying to decide between the bravo, mdt xrs and the oryx. i would love to see a comparison between the xrs and the bravo! any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! the gun i’m building is a bench only gun. cheers…
Hi, what is the total length of the rifle in this Krg Bravo chassis?
Nice comparison, definitely think additional weight will help.
Yeah for sure
Josh can you glass bed the factory stock and try after you try all the stock’s? Love what you are doing with this!!!
That may have to be after the series.
Hi, great videos. You are very good shooter! But I would like what kind of bags, and with what inside, do you use?
Typically i use a gamechanger pint size with heavy fill
@@PursuitofAccuracy thank you :) why I ask? On your video I see how stable your rifle is. When I’m aiming, I fight to be on center, my POI is like nervous point running. I guess I have unstable bipod (a’la Harris) and poor so much light rear bag filled with extremely light fill.
Excellent vid. I'm thrilled to see you are going to show some other chassis' options.
I just put pro varmint in a MDT XRS. It was shooting 0.2's to 0.3's before and after. But, the feel in the heavier MDT chassis was much nicer. If it holds good groups out to 100, I won't be able to justify an aftermarket barrel , but might try it anyway for the play value.
Josh, I plan on going with the Ares eventually and Area 419 rail. What rings are you using with the Ares, and what height? thanks
Everybody remember to cast your 15 votes each day of the month for Josh at the Gundies !
Hey appreciate ya. Im using low athlon rings with the ares
I just got min cz457 Varmit pro . I went to adjust trigger and found my screws were not even hand tiight lol tight them 25in pounds shooting sk match like a lazer . Red box
Nice
What camer do you use for the scope perspective?
What magnification are you shooting that athlon etr at? In the market but it's hard to find through the scope footage. You have the best I've found
Most of the time for filming im at max magnification so its easier to see
Great stock, but not needed on the CZ. The one for the Ruger 10/22 I think would show improvement in accuracy. Great video, keep at it. Looks like fun! 👍🏻❤️🇺🇸
How is the Mag well on the KRG?
Is it deep or tight?
I shot it once and found it odd.
The krg is a big open pit of a hole.
You are really just looking for the stock mag housing.
Anarchy makes a magwell for it but I havent used it a bunch
I'm curious if you have ever done any experimenting with different torque settings on your action screws, and if so, did you find any repeatable results? Thanks, great channel and great work on the vids!
I have. The stocks without pillars will prefer a specific torque value and seems stocks with pillars or chassis arent as picky
Will changing from bag to bipod make a difference?
It makes it a lot easier to get on target for sure. Off the bag if takes me much longer to set up the shot vs the bipod
Great video as always. Question - Do you use the same torque settings for action screws when changing stocks.
No I only use the same tq setting if the stocks are the same material.
Laminate with no pillar 25 in lbs
Laminate with plastic pillars (mtr) 30-35 in lbs
Aluminum pillars 35-40 in lbs
Chassis 65 in lbs
Hey brother love the channel trying to get into long range 22 shooting competition stuck on what gun to buy for most accuracy you talk about 3 guns mostly the bergara b14 r the Tikka tx1 or the CZ 457 which is the most accurate in your opinion for the money right out the boxand if the cz is your top choice what variant is more accurate the chassis, mtr or the synthetic stock one if there is a difference at all thanks for the help and what type of scope are you using thar won't break the ank thank you again
The tikka, bmr, and cz are all accurate. With these rifles its all about finding the right ammo.
Look at the athlon lineup, they are all solid and thry have a big lineup that covers almost any budget
Josh, I have always wanted to ask about Thumb Rest/Gas Peddle etc. How do these help in your shooting. I have always noticed that the more precision shooters always rest their thumbs on rest or right side of the stock.
Its just a preference really. Helps gets your hand in the same position so you trigger finger and trigger pull are consistent
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thank you for the Reply. considering trying thumb rest out on my NRL22.
Josh have you ever thought about having your barrel frozen down to 300 below zero? It is suppose to help with accuracy.
I haven't heard of it before but I will check it out. Thanks
I've been itching to do some .22 shooting and stumbled across your channel a couple days ago. I've really been enjoying the content so thanks. What part of NC?
Thanks neil.
Greensboro area
Great series thanks. What torque specs do you use with the KRG
55 in lbs give or take
I wonder if it would shoot some of the more economical ammunition with a before-and-after test like CCI standard maybe the stock change from CZ to KRG... would show a greater Improvement. We know the rifle shoots good groups
Id be afraid the inconsistency of the ammo would skew the results.
If we use consistent good ammo we eliminate some variables and show just what you get from the stock change
I like your setup. Thinking of using a similar setup on my MTR. You mind me asking what MOA for your Area 419 scope mount and ring height? Thinking of buying the Athlon Ares ETR you have
50 moa base. Low rings
@@PursuitofAccuracy mahalo!
Im in canada and its 45 below so luckyn you
Funny thing is that you said the new chassis and trigger is better in not so many words, but you shot better groups with a bone stock version. My experience and teaching has taught me that it's 80-90% the shooter and his level of fundamentals that he has got down and 10% the equipment.
Rinfire is very sensitive to conditions. Group size variance changing is a normal part of it.
Coming along nicely, few new additions and it will be a beats how can it not it’s CZ. What’s your timeframe to have this beast built out by is it before school or after.
Hoping to be done making changes before school
@@PursuitofAccuracy awesome look forward to the coming vids.. glad to hear it’s just school and not a spin up to sun sand and Taliban
@@ninjabreadman733 no hopefully wont be back there for a while. Just out there 19-20
Is there a part 4 with barrel swap? I could only find 1-3.
Unfortunately not. I had some mil schools come up which made it impossible to continue the series
Hi, what are you using for a bipod? It looks like you have an ARCA rail on the chassis. I’ve been looking for straight ARCA bipod because the pict to arca adapters cost as much as the some bipods. Thanks
Im using the atlas with thr rrs arca clamp.
Some of the accutacs come ready for arca
Do you get to see how the voting is going? 45 of those votes are mine.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Do you plan on reviewing an AccuTac on this rifle build?
Is your shooting table just a normal table? Or is something you built.
We built it years ago. Its concrete
Wow nice. Hey a quick question what in lbs do you torque your manners stock too? 30in can’t find anything for the manners stock. I seen you do 35 for the mtr wooden stock.
My bet is nothing you will do will make it any more accurate in terms of group size until you change the ammo or barrel, especially since it has a Timney trigger already which is a huge help for the shooter.
Yeah I couldnt agree more James
Hey Josh. I have a question/request for you How can I get in touch with you ?
Shoot me an email.
Josh@pursuitofaccuracy.com
How does the barrel length of 457 ( 16.5", 20" or 24" } impact accuracy at 50 or 100 yards?
It really doesnt
Why would a load that preforms worse at 50 yards preform better at 100?
Great question. Wish I knew but some of this is black magic still
FWIW
Your results with the Eley Match at 50 and 100 yards out of the stock rifle mirrored mine out of save for a Timney HIT trigger my stock steel barrel B14R
My B14R shoots both Eley Team and RK match Rifle better than Eley Match which I guess from a economic perspective is a good thing
But I have only shot one lot# of Eley Match so far
The b14r is a good rifle for sure and never hurts when they like the more affordable ammo
Hi Josh, I have an opportunity to buy a 457 varmint precision trainer with standard chamber. What differences can I expect between standard and match chambers? Thank you. Earl.
I've been wondering the same thing.
From my experience with both the match and non match chambers is that the non match are a little less picky on ammo but if you can find that perfect ammo for the match chamber it is hard to beat. Either clambering will serve you very well honestly. I posted some results on the fb rimfire group. The top 10 ara shooters are about 6/10 non match and 4/10 match chamber, if that helps any
Cody is exactly right
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks Cody. I learned a lot in a few sentences. Thanks again.
Have you ever did any accuracy testing with a cz 22 magnum
I have not but 17hmr is in my future for sure
@@PursuitofAccuracy I have a cz 457 lux in 22 magnum that I get around a 1.5 inch group at a 100 yards I’m sure the 17hmr will do better
Hey what scope you have on this gun thanks
Thats an Athlon Ares 4.5-30x56 aprs6
Have you or any of the guys on here tried the 14 round magazines from Mk machining I have 5 of the damn things and none of them function in my rifle
I havent tried them but heard people saying the same
More data. Progress. Be Well.
I would like to buy that factory stock, or you could donate it to my cause, mainly because I'm broke. Seriously I live in NC as well and would like to upgrade my wood stock. Or if oner of your followers has one hit me up.
Which stock are you talking about?
@@PursuitofAccuracy the one you called stock that didn't have pillars, but really I don't care if I can get a option other than the stock wood one I have.
Disappointed you didn’t test under equal conditions. Bipod vs Bag.
I think I can group shoot under no time or pressure off of a bag of potato chips if i needed to 🤣🤣
As I had predicted beforehand the stock was going to produce no negligible results in accuracy whatsoever. I don't think the CZ16 inch enjoys shooting Eley match I would implore you to switch to to Sk pistol match for 100 yds testing. Everything groups nice at 50 yds but I'm swearing the pistol match can hold .50 to .75 inch groups at 100 yds in stock configuration all day long!
It possibly could but were going to rebarrel it anyways so no need in taking the stock barrel testing any further
@@PursuitofAccuracy true that, I'd take the bravo over the default stock anyway 👏 keep it up! Enjoying the series
@@PursuitofAccuracy Josh, will we be able to see the cz barrel shooting it's preferred ammo vs the new barrel shooting it's preferred ammo?
@@Jeff-mv4yy I can shoot the stock barrel with the sk at 100 vs the other barrels
@@PursuitofAccuracy Excellent ! I am trying to figure out if it's worth rebarreling my 457. I have not had a chance to shoot past 50. I'm having a hard time imagining it getting better . I suspect the aftermarket barrel will be better at 100 and beyond.
Great series of upgrades Josh, looking foward as it progresses. The only thing is buy the end the only CZ parts will be the bolt and receiver. Thats not A CZ 457.
Since cz outsources almost all their stocks its really only going away from the factory trigger and barrel.
Trust me if they sokd the 457 in just the action I would buy that.
Whether or not its still a CZ is wildly debatable but to me its 100% a CZ still as its the cz action.
The goal is to build the best rifle we can out of a cz.
To do the best all cz parts only build would be an entirely different video series
@@PursuitofAccuracy
Yes i know what this series is about. Just a built up with CZ Bolt and Action. But i will still be interested to watch the progress.
Personally i prefer 20 to 24 inch barrels on 22lr rifles for what it's worth.
@@buncha5651 im starting to lean toward longer barrels as well. A ton easier to balance is a prs setup
You can send me that pro varmint stock 🤣
Die you shoot 22 wmr White the cz 457 i love IT
I haven't yet but will be shooting .17hmr soon.
@@PursuitofAccuracy and that i would love to shooot but my gouvernement do not allow IT but i keep on trying
Only when i go Action shooting Then they Allow IT
I hoop soon you have the best channel 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Hey Josh
First
Nicely done Steve
Thimny trikkers are hard to get in Europa
Yeah ive heard
If i may guess this was the only rifle you could find.
Actually when I got it there were several 457's on the shelf
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