Looks awesome Tim! Glad to see the green jeep getting built up, we finally found a white 98 xj, pretty much excellent condition with 98k miles, had it for about 6 months now, been great!
tie rod - "its some really stout stuff and your not likely to bend it, guaranteed" *two seconds later* "in order to get it to clear the diff cover at full steer we did have to bend each end..."
Isn't it better to connect the drag link to the knuckle rather than to the tie rod? I've never built a vehicle but rom what I can gather it offers the best handling.
I have a dumb question here. I have a friend who has all the equipment to be able to retube a axle. Welding is no problem for me but he has a 60 ton press. The tubes did you buy them or did you just buy some cold rolled pipe and do the machining yourself as far as how the seals will seat and all?? This really doesn’t look like a hard job to do and beats the hell out of paying those insane prices the axle builders charge.
Should have used a slug in the center section to press the tubes cause you run the risk of crushing the housing. And I wouldnt mig weld the center section to the tubes. Definitely tig weld with ni-rod or nickel rod. Sure it may burn in initially, but they all crack after time. If you want to see how to press tubes in a housing watch videos by Dynatrac. There is a reason they are the best axles around.
All of these BleepinJeep videos has three advertisements to more BleepinJeep videos at about the last 15-20 seconds so I cant see the picture of the final assembly. I mean ALL of the BleepinJeep videos do this. It's frustrating. A lot of these typs of adds have a method of closing them but I cant find any with these on BleepinJeep. Starting @ 6:40
really cool video! i big question i have about high pinion is can i take a regular dana 44 or 60 center and flip it over to make it a high pinion? the main concern being will it oil properly? especially if its a rear axle? thanks.
Lucky for someone like me who has a 1970 f100 that came with drum brakes, all I have to do is swap one with disc brakes in and it mounts right up with no cutting or hacking. I found a 1979 for $180 with 3.50 gears (yes it matches the rear 9"). I'm gonna rebuild it first though lol
can yall make a video on which vehicles we can find at the junk yard and pull their axles for the cherokee. Like go through what is best and why and how to's. theres alot of debate on forums but nothing seems too clear.
So most solid axle specs I've read recommend 4-6 degrees of positive caster, I believe the XJ's are set at the factory to 7 degrees, so I'm curious to know how your rig has been feeling on the road with 10 degrees? Is this what the final measurement ended up at once it sat with the weight?
increased castor does a good job of helping larger tires return to center and avoid wandering on the road. more than 10 degrees may be excessive though. keep in mind castor is irrelevant unless you take into account pinion angle as well. i built my 44 with the castor 16 degrees relative to the center line of the pinion. so the axle ran the axle at about 7 degrees of castor (pinion pointed up about 6 degrees) in a cherokee with about 5" of lift on 35s. without anything to compare it to... it didnt leave anything to be desired.
normal caster spec for a stock XJ with 215\75\15 tires is 3.5-8.5, if anything 10 is probably on the conservative side for 35" tires and 4 .5 inches of lift. the more caster the better with larger tires, it stabilizes tracking and helps prevent death wobble.
I believe the caster was set to 10 degrees with a flat pinion angle. Once you adjust your control arms for pinion angle I'm sure he ended up with about 5 degrees caster angle give or take 1 degree. I run 5* caster on my jeep on 35s with an excellent pinion angle and it does great. Actually running 8+ degree caster angle is excessive and will hinder steering response. Most super duty Dana 60s only run about 3 degrees.
I have a 2013 mustang gt with both rear tires worn more from outer half than inner half. The wear from outside to inner is gradual. Is this sign of bent axle housing?
Are you sure it's a *2013*??? A 2013 has a "8.8 rear axle" it's solid. That's super weird to have bald tires on the outsides. All Mustangs (except 99-04 Cobra) have always had solid rear axles. If you jumped it maybe you could bend it; your tires would wear on the INSIDE edge. 99-04 Cobra And 2015 and newer Mustangs... Have independent rear suspension (IRS) if the car is slammed (negative camber) the tires will go bald on the INSIDE. If the alignment (toe) is bad the tires can wear out on the OUTSIDE.
Yes you just get the tubes shorter to make it narrower, and for shafts you would either need to get custom alloy shafts, or you can ship the original shafts to dutchman to get resplined to your width.
Yes, in the 70's dodge had a dana 44 with the 5x4.5 bolt pattern. I'm not sure if you'd have to use the inner C or just swap the knuckles but it's doable. Just FYI the wheel bearings are setup similar to the Dana 35 ttb and don't last very long with big tires and being side loaded.
thats alot of work and shop time. from what you had done couldent you just buy one ready to bolt in? or spend a lil more money on a used axle that dosent have that casting
your, "built not bought" moto is ignorance in this case. the cost of retubing an axle is often more than just paying the added cost associated with purchasing the more desirable 44 with welded wedges. which was also available with a 1/2" wall tube as well... the retube job done in this video was done right, that cannot be argued. but time is money for some of us.
So what's that mod cost? It looks nice but doesn't look cheap, I guess if your running a small tire you wouldn't need more front axle. It'll be bulletproof for 35's. Run solid joints though, that's always been the weak link in a 44. Good luck. Nice build.
normal caster spec for a stock XJ with 215\75\15 tires is 3.5-8.5, if anything 10 is probably on the conservative side for 35" tires and 4 .5 inches of lift. the more caster the better with larger tires, it stabilizes tracking and helps prevent death wobble.
"You're not likely to bend it" "We had to bend it" lmao just to clarify i know that it probably takes a few tons to bend something that thick, i just thought the juxtaposition of that was funny
sweet i was sort of offended when you said the gears were fine and the axle had been running that way for 40 years... i thought "no freakin way...40 years. the truck that old"... (then i did the math. i hate getting old) lol
If anyone knows of someone that can do this in the Boulder/Denver area let me know!!! I have a dana 44, passenger drop that has been sitting and I need a driver drop.
With my YJ we just left the wedges on, it's going soa anyways and they're not in the way. If I had a few grand, yeah I'd retube, but I don't so yeah, "YOLO"
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How much it cost you to retube that?
Looks awesome Tim! Glad to see the green jeep getting built up, we finally found a white 98 xj, pretty much excellent condition with 98k miles, had it for about 6 months now, been great!
tie rod -
"its some really stout stuff and your not likely to bend it, guaranteed"
*two seconds later*
"in order to get it to clear the diff cover at full steer we did have to bend each end..."
Andrew Browner ....
I was thinking the same exact thing.
Wait.... you just bent it!
he meant unlikely to bend with "normal" use but I did find it funny he bent it after saying that lol
Eh probably a 20 ton bottle jack not like you cant bend anything with 20 tons behind it or at least leave a mark lol
Can't wait to see how this project turns out
Looks awesome, never mind the hackers! It's plenty stout enough and is way lighter than a Dana 60
going to be very awesome looking when completed Tim.
great job so far!
I live near Sac. Can you say where you went to have the tubing work done?
Same
pretty dope yeah I've been thinking about doing a axel swop from a echoliner e350 van as a rear
That's got to be incredible off road.
Lean mean and grean excited about the build!!
wow thats some serious work right there
Isn't it better to connect the drag link to the knuckle rather than to the tie rod? I've never built a vehicle but rom what I can gather it offers the best handling.
All that work, left gears grinding cause didn't wanna change shims? Did it break yet?
Bro that Jeep is awesome. Wish I could afford some 44’s for mine
Who did the retube need the same thing done for my 48 f2 project
Nice work!
rockandroadperformance did the axle housing build? I'm interested in a HP d30 from an XJ being made to passenger drop and change width.
Why didn't you just find a '78-89 F250 leaf spring Dana 44 without the wedges? Super nice work that guy did for you though.
That's the right way to do it. No guessing.
Did y’all drill the plug welds?
I have a dumb question here. I have a friend who has all the equipment to be able to retube a axle. Welding is no problem for me but he has a 60 ton press. The tubes did you buy them or did you just buy some cold rolled pipe and do the machining yourself as far as how the seals will seat and all??
This really doesn’t look like a hard job to do and beats the hell out of paying those insane prices the axle builders charge.
My Tata 407 4x4 uses CV. axle which is very costly ti replace with a new one. Is this cost effective to convert Cv axle into U joint Axle.
Should have used a slug in the center section to press the tubes cause you run the risk of crushing the housing. And I wouldnt mig weld the center section to the tubes. Definitely tig weld with ni-rod or nickel rod. Sure it may burn in initially, but they all crack after time. If you want to see how to press tubes in a housing watch videos by Dynatrac. There is a reason they are the best axles around.
Are you going to do something for fender flares? I think something tube framed with sheet metal to fill in the holes would look good.
All of these BleepinJeep videos has three advertisements to more BleepinJeep videos at about the last 15-20 seconds so I cant see the picture of the final assembly. I mean ALL of the BleepinJeep videos do this. It's frustrating.
A lot of these typs of adds have a method of closing them but I cant find any with these on BleepinJeep. Starting @ 6:40
Hello, I am wandering if I can contact the person who did the front axle retube for you?
really cool video! i big question i have about high pinion is can i take a regular dana 44 or 60 center and flip it over to make it a high pinion? the main concern being will it oil properly? especially if its a rear axle? thanks.
You probably have the answer already but for anyone reading this later, the answer is, no.
will it be painted? It looks great as is, maybe just a clear coat?
How much to retube roughly cost for dana 60???
Lucky for someone like me who has a 1970 f100 that came with drum brakes, all I have to do is swap one with disc brakes in and it mounts right up with no cutting or hacking. I found a 1979 for $180 with 3.50 gears (yes it matches the rear 9"). I'm gonna rebuild it first though lol
Will the gentleman that turned down the tubes make Some more
Where in Yolo, im from Sacramento CA
How long are the dana 44 driver and passenger side tubes you had cut for the bronco width??
That's a horny 44... Too bad that final shot got covered by ads...
Nice job
Who did the retubing? What does that cost?
How specifically (what type "drill" ) were the plug welds "drilled out" with ? (That stuff is hard! carbide won't cut it.) specialty hole saw?
It would be nice to see what you were talking about at the end but all the windows or tabs to other videos blocked it out.
Such a pretty thing.
Hey who does the retubing ? I need that done
hey tim kinda curious after all said and done about how much money did you have into axle after having it retubed
thumbs up for "...truck's been running like this for 40 years, so... YOLO."
I need to retune some axles how do I get in touch with Tim??
who did your re-tube and and what did it run you
sounded to me like he had his friend (rock & road) do the work. i bet it was free labor (a "sponsor"). but looks and sounds like big bucks
He also said he took elsewhere to have the tubes pressed.
Where’s the shop located that re tube the axles? Thanks
What Is YoLo? Are you shouting out to YoLo County?
can yall make a video on which vehicles we can find at the junk yard and pull their axles for the cherokee. Like go through what is best and why and how to's. theres alot of debate on forums but nothing seems too clear.
Will this work on any axles like 1 tons?
Great job!
Erik, I concur.
Yolo? WTF? HAHAHA! But really, you guys make the best videos, learned the most from you guys. Thanx Tim and Matt and all of you.
What does a re tube job cost?
Why don't people weld control arm brackets onto the cast wedges and run a 3 or 4 link?
We’re can I buy the tubing ? I have a Dana 44 passenger drop , I wanna retube it for driver drop
Thanks bro I never knew axle housing are interference fit.
76 to 79 f 250s could. Come with a 44 with 8 lug pattern they are full tub set up to run leafe springs
nice build
Wish we had an answer for the cost
not cheap at all, u can see all the time & labor going into that axle.. might cost the same as a 44 pulled from another jeep thats ready to bolt up
How wide are the front frame rails on your Jeep
That guy that had the press is he in Loomis?
We need to know !
Links for high steer in a YJ with a Dana 44?
Lost it at YOLO
Same.. WTF.. Lost all credibility
"YOLO" is not ok, but "WTF" is.?.
@@johnbaker4915 bro its just funny, doesnt take away respect LOL
So most solid axle specs I've read recommend 4-6 degrees of positive caster, I believe the XJ's are set at the factory to 7 degrees, so I'm curious to know how your rig has been feeling on the road with 10 degrees? Is this what the final measurement ended up at once it sat with the weight?
increased castor does a good job of helping larger tires return to center and avoid wandering on the road. more than 10 degrees may be excessive though.
keep in mind castor is irrelevant unless you take into account pinion angle as well. i built my 44 with the castor 16 degrees relative to the center line of the pinion. so the axle ran the axle at about 7 degrees of castor (pinion pointed up about 6 degrees) in a cherokee with about 5" of lift on 35s. without anything to compare it to... it didnt leave anything to be desired.
normal caster spec for a stock XJ with 215\75\15 tires is 3.5-8.5, if anything 10 is probably on the conservative side for 35" tires and 4 .5 inches of lift. the more caster the better with larger tires, it stabilizes tracking and helps prevent death wobble.
I believe the caster was set to 10 degrees with a flat pinion angle. Once you adjust your control arms for pinion angle I'm sure he ended up with about 5 degrees caster angle give or take 1 degree. I run 5* caster on my jeep on 35s with an excellent pinion angle and it does great. Actually running 8+ degree caster angle is excessive and will hinder steering response. Most super duty Dana 60s only run about 3 degrees.
Can you send me the contact to the shop that re-tubed the axle?
I have a 2013 mustang gt with both rear tires worn more from outer half than inner half. The wear from outside to inner is gradual. Is this sign of bent axle housing?
Are you sure it's a *2013*???
A 2013 has a "8.8 rear axle" it's solid. That's super weird to have bald tires on the outsides. All Mustangs (except 99-04 Cobra) have always had solid rear axles. If you jumped it maybe you could bend it; your tires would wear on the INSIDE edge.
99-04 Cobra
And
2015 and newer Mustangs...
Have independent rear suspension (IRS) if the car is slammed (negative camber) the tires will go bald on the INSIDE. If the alignment (toe) is bad the tires can wear out on the OUTSIDE.
hi what kind of pipe you used
do you have to paint it? and its not wasted money if you get exactly what you want and its brand spanken new
He needs to weld the suspension brackets to it before paining it.
Steve Yulenburg makes sense
So I’d love to do the same with a yj but I’d like to keep the factory width of the original differential is that possible
Yes you just get the tubes shorter to make it narrower, and for shafts you would either need to get custom alloy shafts, or you can ship the original shafts to dutchman to get resplined to your width.
Is it possible to build an axle like this and keep my 5x4.5 bolt pattern without needing adapters or spacers?
Yes, in the 70's dodge had a dana 44 with the 5x4.5 bolt pattern. I'm not sure if you'd have to use the inner C or just swap the knuckles but it's doable. Just FYI the wheel bearings are setup similar to the Dana 35 ttb and don't last very long with big tires and being side loaded.
thats alot of work and shop time. from what you had done couldent you just buy one ready to bolt in? or spend a lil more money on a used axle that dosent have that casting
U learn more about your jeep if u do it your self, built not bought, u should try it
your, "built not bought" moto is ignorance in this case. the cost of retubing an axle is often more than just paying the added cost associated with purchasing the more desirable 44 with welded wedges. which was also available with a 1/2" wall tube as well... the retube job done in this video was done right, that cannot be argued.
but time is money for some of us.
4:59 soo um YOLO
Some video in the video would have been nice, but hey, good info! :)
I like to see how the work is done.
So what's that mod cost? It looks nice but doesn't look cheap, I guess if your running a small tire you wouldn't need more front axle. It'll be bulletproof for 35's. Run solid joints though, that's always been the weak link in a 44. Good luck. Nice build.
better to break an axle ujoint on the trail than a ring and pinion, you can limp out in 3 wheel drive lol.
10deg caster seems really excessive. Where did you get this figure?
normal caster spec for a stock XJ with 215\75\15 tires is 3.5-8.5, if anything 10 is probably on the conservative side for 35" tires and 4 .5 inches of lift. the more caster the better with larger tires, it stabilizes tracking and helps prevent death wobble.
Could you turn them to interference fit and then just use dry ice to shrink the tubes and put them in?
where is that front bumper from?
Was wondering the same thing
I could tell ya what the bumper is but.... You need to check the Channel Playlists. Look for Tim's playlist.
I love it👍👍
"You're not likely to bend it"
"We had to bend it"
lmao
just to clarify i know that it probably takes a few tons to bend something that thick, i just thought the juxtaposition of that was funny
your not going to bend it wheeling....
Lmao
Could not see the completed project. The adds were in the way. Oh well.
Well that escalated quickly
holy shit that's awesome
The rest of the truck you pulled the axles out of would go for 2500$ plus where I live
"YOLO" 😂
... and the old grease. YOLO ! LOL !
sweet
i was sort of offended when you said the gears were fine and the axle had been running that way for 40 years...
i thought "no freakin way...40 years. the truck that old"...
(then i did the math. i hate getting old) lol
youre making me feel like a slacker with my 8.8 rear and 44 front from a rubi
nice!
Impressive video. What are the options for a bolt-in front Dana 44 axle for an XJ?
I have a dana 44 front on my jeep xj.
Stock from factory
@@henrylima6974
I don't know about XJs. Do some have Dana 44s front and rear?
@@xmo552 yes, I have both front and rear but that option was only available in south america
@@henrylima6974
Interesting. Thanks for the reply.
yeah in the states the D44 was only available as part of the factory towing package in late 80s early 90s only.
Keep it up
great vid on taking your part to a shop...
So of course all the advertisements for other videos pop up right over the axle in the truck,..
If anyone knows of someone that can do this in the Boulder/Denver area let me know!!! I have a dana 44, passenger drop that has been sitting and I need a driver drop.
Bad + ass = awesome
OK ---- Give us some idea of dollar figures here, please!!!!!!!!!!
Did you say "YOLO" ??? Gotta go.
With my YJ we just left the wedges on, it's going soa anyways and they're not in the way. If I had a few grand, yeah I'd retube, but I don't so yeah, "YOLO"
Let me get my chopsticks and my butter knife and I will get it done in a jiffy
Also, why would you spend all that time & money getting it retubed then put crappy old grease in it? Brakleen is cheap, & so is grease.
I bet that cost some dough....
Obviously! It's a basically custom shaft in current US labor standards. He could get another XJ for this money.
Setting the backlash is a bitch
Shows the first picture at the end but is immediatly covered w click more watch this thumbnails... jesus