I remember that 1-2-3 Kid match. Was blown away and surprised and he absolutely mad it look believable, like he was just caught offguard by the moonsault.
I think what started him turning was facing Backlund at Mania. He was so much cooler than Bob. He got a face reaction. Then the next month the match with Kid.
I remember Razor being in that program against DiBiase at the time and DiBiase being a big one mocking Razor for his loss to the Kid. Didn't DiBiase do a match on TV a few weeks later to show "how easy it was to beat the Kid" and, after giving the Kid a cocky beatdown for a while, trying a lazy pin and end up getting rolled and pinned by the Kid himself?
@Nosthalgia478 he was heel years prior in wcw. Maybe they count those 2 prior wcw heel yr(s) of diamond studd who had the toothpick & the coolness b4 wwf Aug 92.
@@OikPoinFive That wasnt Razor Ramon, Bro.. Hall was specifically talking about fans starting to like Razor "after a couple of years" Its cool. He misremembered, like most Wrasslers do lol
I liked Sean better as 123 Kid than as X-Pac. His early face underdog matches gave off a Zac Gowen kind of winning against the odds vibe. Not only did Sean's early work seem more impressive, but it was easier to root for Sean as a face underdog instead of a Kliq stooge.
What really made the angle work was that the 4 previous weeks The Kid would wrestle in a losing effort but he went by a different name each time. Lightning kid, kamikazi kid etc. Then he gets a fluke win and off to the races
123 kid had more spunk than anyone at the time , it didn't matter he wasn't big and didnt have "the look" , I really liked him when he came on the scene.
I'd have razor beat backlund at msg late 94! Not diesel. Have diesel become ic champ again not JJ at RR 95. WM 11 Double J is owens mystery partner they win tag titles. Razor(wf) vs Shawn II - WWF title at WM 11. Diesel turns heel later. Razor vs Hbk -WF LT v BBB. Diesel(c) v Bulldg -IC TSG(cc) v OH,JJ -TT Bull(c) v Blayze - WC Lex vs Tatanka Bret vs Bundy Taker vs Kama MOM, Shrinkers vs Yoko/Bob/Eli/Jacob
It was like on a Saturday night main event in late 1986 between Jake and Savage. Heel vs heel. Savage more cocky vs Jake as more of a tough guy. I'm sure Vince wanted Randy to turn face, but fans got behind Jake. Good stuff here.
The 123 Kid take down and the energy that followed was an epic moment to watch on tv as a kid. I was blown away by the take down lol. Easily one of my 10 ten fav memories/matches to watch as a kid.
I swear I thought razor was going to lose his mind, the unbelievable skill of this man. He was so good I bought all his bullshit😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 pray the lord look over him for the good he done making people happy
What turned him is that they didn’t have the Macho Man or Bret Hart angles anymore. Those guys were both cool in their own way. Then after those, he’s cooler than every babyface he wrestles
I was a big Sean Waltman fan but I never thought he would be more than a jobber in the WWF cause it was the era of the big men in wrestling.Guys like him and Rey Mysterio really paved the way for smaller guys to succeed in the wrestling business-
So they booked this angle six months in advance, and it was far more memorable than when they were writing the show during the show. It’s almost like that worked better🤔
I was at the DiBiase Summer Slam Match.. good to hear him talk about it and how much that match meant to him. The one thing that surprises me is they were concerned about Razor’s popularity then why wait 6 months to change it?
@@CannedHam2479 that's different, skinner was an underneath guy, that's a different dynamic. also not established in the fans eyes to be tougher per se eiether
Probably the most creative way to have a guy turn face plus it got over another wrestler in the process with the 123 Kid. Really wish they tried more creative ways to turn guys these days instead of the same 3 variations over and over and over again.
Wrestling in the 70s, 80s, and 90s had to be one of the greatest careers a guy could have. Pretty awesome how great of friends kevin Nash, Scott Hall, xpac, triple H, and shawn michaels are/were (rip hall). I always wanted to be a pro wrestler as a kid, but unfortunately I just didn't have the genetics. What a great business.
In the time of weekly squashy matches, the 123 Kid beating Razor was certainly a shock to us wrestling fans. One, if not, the best ways to ever introduce a wrestler to the fans.
Somehow I remember watching a video of Scott Hall saying losing to the Kid was his idea and Vince was upset about it because he did it on Raw without telling Vince; that it was Scott's idea to put Kid over.
He was supposed to lose to the Kid ( he starts talk about it around the 3 minute mark) Scott was supposed to beat Chris Jericho in WCW, but told Jericho to small package him. Eric started yelling at him after the match, and Scott just said something like the fans loved it, and Eric kept saying that Scott was supposed to go over, and Scott had a comeback for everything Eric had to say.
I doubt he knew 6 months before. I bet it was 6 weeks. It was a pretty quick turn. But i was definitely one of the fans that was turning him face. Love scott hall day 1.
Am I the only one who never liked the 123 Kid, or Sixx, or Xpac or whatever the hell Sean wants to call himself? The Bronco Buster was right up there with Rikishi’s ass face thing on the list of terrible moves.
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X pac had a weird career. He would come and go a lot.
I remember that 1-2-3 Kid match. Was blown away and surprised and he absolutely mad it look believable, like he was just caught offguard by the moonsault.
The knee-to-the-head was perfect. Added total credibility to it. Looked like a freak accident that knocked Razor out.
I missed a lot of big wrestling moments over the years, but it’s good to finally see someone talking about something that I saw live as a kid.
I think what started him turning was facing Backlund at Mania. He was so much cooler than Bob. He got a face reaction. Then the next month the match with Kid.
That's because Backlund is an actual wrestler!!! Ur stuck on fake performance instead of a real wrestler.... Grow up.... Smh
His work was at least 15 years behind. Doing a leg sweep and then doing weird movements afterwards was embarrassing.
Not to mention Bob is in my opinion the worst wwwf/wwf champion ever 5 years for nothing
Regarding Backlund, it was his character that was more behind the times than anything. He was great as a heel a year later.
@@docdeacon8570 dude calm down lol
I remember Razor being in that program against DiBiase at the time and DiBiase being a big one mocking Razor for his loss to the Kid.
Didn't DiBiase do a match on TV a few weeks later to show "how easy it was to beat the Kid" and, after giving the Kid a cocky beatdown for a while, trying a lazy pin and end up getting rolled and pinned by the Kid himself?
yes
Via crucifix as Dibiase laid back selling overconfidence.
Only 2 wrestler deaths have ever made me tear up. Hot Rod and this man. RIP bad guy. 😞
He was the absolute GOAT of these old shoot interviews. He would be perfect for a modern day podcast. Sad we can't have that. RIP.
Wish Scott Hall was still with us. Remember when kid beat him, was shocker at the time
"After a certain number of years, they just started liking Razor"
It was about 6 months, Chico
lol
Was he really only a heel for six months?
@@BruceMichaelFilmsYes. Debuted in August of 92. Started getting cheered around Feb/March of 93
@@CannedHam2479 That's what happens when you ooze machismo.
@Nosthalgia478 he was heel years prior in wcw. Maybe they count those 2 prior wcw heel yr(s) of diamond studd who had the toothpick & the coolness b4 wwf Aug 92.
@@OikPoinFive That wasnt Razor Ramon, Bro.. Hall was specifically talking about fans starting to like Razor "after a couple of years"
Its cool. He misremembered, like most Wrasslers do
lol
I liked Sean better as 123 Kid than as X-Pac. His early face underdog matches gave off a Zac Gowen kind of winning against the odds vibe.
Not only did Sean's early work seem more impressive, but it was easier to root for Sean as a face underdog instead of a Kliq stooge.
It was a great moment on Raw
What really made the angle work was that the 4 previous weeks The Kid would wrestle in a losing effort but he went by a different name each time. Lightning kid, kamikazi kid etc. Then he gets a fluke win and off to the races
The whole angle was very well done
I miss razor. He's so underrated when it comes to being one of the best all time as all around package.
123 kid had more spunk than anyone at the time , it didn't matter he wasn't big and didnt have "the look" , I really liked him when he came on the scene.
He was killing himself out there. He was the first "lightweight" to really get over/be put over, as far as I can remember.
Love these rest in peace .
Had he not passed, Scott should have been involved in creative somewhere. He was too smart to the business not to utilize.
I'd have razor beat backlund at msg late 94! Not diesel. Have diesel become ic champ again not JJ at RR 95. WM 11 Double J is owens mystery partner they win tag titles. Razor(wf) vs Shawn II - WWF title at WM 11. Diesel turns heel later.
Razor vs Hbk -WF
LT v BBB.
Diesel(c) v Bulldg -IC
TSG(cc) v OH,JJ -TT
Bull(c) v Blayze - WC
Lex vs Tatanka
Bret vs Bundy
Taker vs Kama
MOM, Shrinkers
vs
Yoko/Bob/Eli/Jacob
Literally revitalized Sting with the Crow gimmick
I guess he was too unreliable because of the drinking issues
@@kebsis Probably.
I would absolutely love to see that Shawn vs. Razor, heel vs. Heel match at MSG. It would be amazing!!
Shawn as a heel was an insufferable bastard. You know they would want the Cuban Mob Boss looking guy to tear his head off
man i miss Scott Hall he was my favorite wrestling personality back in them NWO days!
Heel vs Heel, the fans will almost always go with the guy they believe is tougher.
Yup. Also, Razor never did the chickenshit heel thing, so the fans knew he was dangerous. Now he’s dangerous and cool
Especially because it was a NYC crowd.
It was like on a Saturday night main event in late 1986 between Jake and Savage. Heel vs heel. Savage more cocky vs Jake as more of a tough guy. I'm sure Vince wanted Randy to turn face, but fans got behind Jake. Good stuff here.
The 123 Kid take down and the energy that followed was an epic moment to watch on tv as a kid. I was blown away by the take down lol. Easily one of my 10 ten fav memories/matches to watch as a kid.
I swear I thought razor was going to lose his mind, the unbelievable skill of this man. He was so good I bought all his bullshit😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 pray the lord look over him for the good he done making people happy
What turned him is that they didn’t have the Macho Man or Bret Hart angles anymore. Those guys were both cool in their own way.
Then after those, he’s cooler than every babyface he wrestles
I was a big Sean Waltman fan but I never thought he would be more than a jobber in the WWF cause it was the era of the big men in wrestling.Guys like him and Rey Mysterio really paved the way for smaller guys to succeed in the wrestling business-
So they booked this angle six months in advance, and it was far more memorable than when they were writing the show during the show. It’s almost like that worked better🤔
This man should be alive and in charge of WWE.
😢
Man I miss Scott 🙏🙏
The Kid, X-Pac , Waltman? Love that dude.
Between 1-2-3 Kid and X-Pac, wasn't he Syxx?
Ya, Syxx don't count. LOL, just kidding. Lightning Kid counts too, then.
Totally forgot about how they used to do a 20 count for outside the ring. They went to a 10 count but was slower so in the end even out.
I was at the DiBiase Summer Slam Match.. good to hear him talk about it and how much that match meant to him. The one thing that surprises me is they were concerned about Razor’s popularity then why wait 6 months to change it?
One of a few wrestlers who got over without having THE belt! That’s talent right there!
the crowd always sides with the tougher heel.
Grrrr!
Hmm. I think i saw a Hbk vs Skinner heel vs heel match.. Fans sided with Hbk
@@CannedHam2479 that's different, skinner was an underneath guy, that's a different dynamic. also not established in the fans eyes to be tougher per se eiether
Probably the most creative way to have a guy turn face plus it got over another wrestler in the process with the 123 Kid. Really wish they tried more creative ways to turn guys these days instead of the same 3 variations over and over and over again.
One of my favorite moments
Wrestling in the 70s, 80s, and 90s had to be one of the greatest careers a guy could have. Pretty awesome how great of friends kevin Nash, Scott Hall, xpac, triple H, and shawn michaels are/were (rip hall). I always wanted to be a pro wrestler as a kid, but unfortunately I just didn't have the genetics. What a great business.
In the time of weekly squashy matches, the 123 Kid beating Razor was certainly a shock to us wrestling fans. One, if not, the best ways to ever introduce a wrestler to the fans.
Razor was so cool, as a kid, I didn't even know he was a heel
I wonder if the old ref was BRONCO? that guy was 125 still ref matches.
Scott had the perfect amount and placement of body hair.
He did the same match for a young Tanahashi in New Japan in 2001
Big Scott Hall... you are missed.
DON'T PHUCK WITH THE HART FOUNDATION! CHICO RAMON KNEW.
Razor was always cooler than HBK.
Loved gcw..
Vince certainly an eye for what the people wanted to see
Vince shoulda let Waltman come in as The Lightning Kid, rather than the generic sounding 1,2,3 Kid
#RIPScottHall
Cool 😎
Somehow I remember watching a video of Scott Hall saying losing to the Kid was his idea and Vince was upset about it because he did it on Raw without telling Vince; that it was Scott's idea to put Kid over.
He was supposed to lose to the Kid ( he starts talk about it around the 3 minute mark) Scott was supposed to beat Chris Jericho in WCW, but told Jericho to small package him. Eric started yelling at him after the match, and Scott just said something like the fans loved it, and Eric kept saying that Scott was supposed to go over, and Scott had a comeback for everything Eric had to say.
I doubt he knew 6 months before. I bet it was 6 weeks. It was a pretty quick turn. But i was definitely one of the fans that was turning him face. Love scott hall day 1.
Pretty interesting that Scott Hall never competed in a Royal Rumble match despite being in the company for 4 Rumbles.
The Razor should have beat that adult kid. The ref clearly railroaded him that match.
1:58 hit the celly
Its a crime that scotts dead and Sean Waltman still breathes
Considering that he had "X-Pac heat" named after him and is now seen as a bum, Sean waltman contributed so much to wrestling
To tell the truth this was the only time I ever found X-Pac at all interesting.
Ever see him in those pornos with Chyna?
Why yall just won’t say xpac
Id had just said sean
cuz there's only one real pac and his name ain't start with x 😉
Right, he was yellow and ate ghosts
Am I the only one who never liked the 123 Kid, or Sixx, or Xpac or whatever the hell Sean wants to call himself? The Bronco Buster was right up there with Rikishi’s ass face thing on the list of terrible moves.
Waltman should blow the Klique on command for giving him a career.