WILD BLUE YONDER | Doctor Who Honest Review (2023)
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🍿 Doctor Who: Wild Blue Yonder (2023)
🎬 David Tennant and Catherine Tate unite once again in the second of Doctor Who's 60th Anniversary Specials. This time, the TARDIS and sonic screwdriver jump out of the equation, leaving the Doctor having to use his wits to figure out what danger lurks on an abandoned spaceship...
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Bad… the green screen was woeful, the villain is too reminiscent of other past aliens like a mix of the midnight entity and prisoner zero but not developed well. The doctor taking the wrong Donna only to realise so quickly after was kind of pointless? A big criticism I’ve heard of doctor who in general is the sonics ability to magically do things for plot convenience, I know they explain it as it being a new sonic etc but it gets annoying to be honest. I really wanted to like these new episodes but so far it’s been pretty disappointing. Another case of Disney milking nostalgia of fans
@@elliefuller3911Disney isnt involved with Dr who like at all they have very little power also the alien was well developed where it came from what they wanted and since when did Dr who have good green screen (except it was blue)
A flawed, but unique episode of the show that I'm gonna have a soft spot for. Borderline rips off the film "Event Horizon" (1997) however.
I thought it was surprisingly good 👍
Odo walked into the wrong show 🤣
Wasn't a big fan of the previous one, but I loved this episode. It reminded me of some of the classic Tennant episodes, it was creepy and weird in the best way. David and Catherine really sold the hell out of this one.
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Definitely. This is the best doctor who we’ve had in years
The last one was stupid in a lot of ways, but i must admit this one was actually pretty damn good.
Same here. No agenda. Just the Doctor/Donna.
They treated the Timeless Child like The Doctor is still mad that there are things about himself he's too scared to learn, but even madder that the universe was nearly completely detroyed as he was looking for them.
That is alot more narratove weight then the episodes focused on these things could express.
You could say it had a lot of... mavity.
My one hope was for an odd episode like Midnight and it's exactly what I got. I really loved the weirdness in this episode.
Same!!
Funnily enough, I literally watched Midnight before this episode. Decided to research season 4 and that was just the episode.
It was horrendous lol nothing like midnight since that episode is actually good this is cringe
@@XgoodbyeXsure,not exactly like it,but it's definitely an improvement from the 1st.Reminds me of Lovecraftian horror,if only the setting looks a bit more creepy & unsettling instead of colorful.
this was a proper Dr Who episode. I really enjoyed it. Reminded me a bit of midnight, but there is a lot of territory to explore with life so strange it is barely recognizable as life. Both the removal of the sonic screwdriver and the tardis elevated the danger (even though the tardis could fly itself back)
This was so much better than the 1st episode. It really bring back true doctor who nostalgia
The Star Beast had me worried, it was fun, but it wasn't good.
This episode was phenomenal.
Well, vastly better than the Meep one; but still not as good as the pre-Capaldi ones. (He had crap scripts though; Whittiker don't count.)
Agreed!
@@arthurcrown3063 Capaldi had some great episodes
Was gonna say listen and heaven sent were still better but it was very clever
Agree👍
One thing RTD is good at - character focus. The chibnall era had such little focus on character development, it's great to have it back
Was light years ahead of last weeks show, 2 actors all the way through was brilliant
It wasn't that bad, outside of the daughter of Donna. Hope she doesn't stay in the show. Glad who is back.
This.. Felt like Doctor Who. I'm on a verge of tears because I have a feeling this won't last.
I didn't particularly like Flux or the timeless child myself (the latter I still think was a terrible idea) but if they're not going to retcon them away, let it be important, let the SHATTERING of the Doctor's view of their own history actually MATTER to them. The ending of this episode showed at least a little of that to us, without bogging down the whole episode.
Their? HIS. Lol
@@colonelturmeric558 as soon as you move past the pronoun stuff the sooner you will be happy I promise lol.
You mean brainwashed
@@branna3606 the doctor’s gender, race, whatever literally doesn’t change how good a story can be because of how reincarnation has been written, in lore timelords can change genders, race, etc. this has been true even before Jodie’s run. It’s up to the writers though to make the content good. I would argue, your brainwashed if you need the doctor to be a guy for you to enjoy the show lol.
Ironic. You're the ones giving us lectures about pronouns. You're the people who clapped when Rose said "You're assuming he as a pornoun?" @@Sparda51
Much better than the other one. It felt a little more natural and not so forced...
what do you mean by forced? The fact that you didn't care for the message?
@@clintdavis1452 What message?
why cast newton black, imagine the backlash if martin king or rosa park cast as white, dona looked like she didnt want to be there half the time theta sigma looked all spaced out like he was on something and was there a lack of funding or did they just not care with the poor cgi best thing about this was seeing wilf again
It reminded me of Heaven Sent, they don't have a similar plot but gives you that feeling of slowly pulling back the mysteries throughout the episode. I am really happy we got an episode like this with Tennant and Tate.
The Doctor, Donna, Bernard Cribbins, mysterious ship, terrifying aliens, no sonic. How could it be better? Loved so much.
And the running around. Great episode.
How could it be better? I think there's only one possible way to improve it - cast a historically accurate Isaac Newton. Apart from that, perfect episode.
This episode is leaps and bounds ahead of the previous, such a refreshing change, a genuinely gripping mystery.
Anyone else notice the big door that blocks the Not-Things from reaching the Doctor and Donna in the cockpit was the exact same door from "Bisecting the Manifold!" in the first episode? Like, the exact same prop.
another fine return to form but the part with Newton was utterly bizarre.
Yeahhh. Now it feels like a Doctor Who episode again. David and Catherine's energy is brilliant.
Also the little part at the near end when the doctor mentioned the salt superstition and how he shouldn't have done it at the edge of the universe, where the walls are thin and everything's possible ! I hope it's foreshadowing something cause it was brilliant!
This plot point will definitely be revisited the real question is sooner or later cuase knowing Doctor Who they can go years without addressing this not that I'm complaining
Feels like a big concept to follow so I imagine its a Ncuti Gatwa Doctor storyline. I wouldn't be surprised seeing as RTD is a god of foreshadowing (badwolf, saxon, something on your back, DoctorDonna, he will knock 4 times)
@@Logicalleaping Yeah it's very possible
4:53 bit of a theory here, maybe the midnight creature is more fully formed than these shapeshifting beings. Rather than having to start from scratch and have to understand the intricacies of physical beings, it basically just 'copies the homework' by taking a body that's already formed. Idk just a thought
I love the monster for this special. it is "nothings". apparently they are violent and mean because sounds and effect of the war reach them first. when I heard that my first thought was time war. what war is big enough and long enough that it reaches beyond the borders of the universe? what if original occupants of the ship were running away from time war?
Reminded me of Midnight.
It’s what I hoped it was, just another episode that was very good, it felt like more time to enjoy tennet before his quick tenure ends. Just a good episode to celebrate what the series can do.
This was a very good episode, I was gripped as soon as I noticed the faint robot in the far distance and it started to get my brain thinking about what it might be.
Man it's nice to see a doctor who episode that actually lets the audience THINK for once rather than letting the writing do everything for you.
Trying to figure out who was Donna and who was The Doctor was amazing, it really felt like I was a kid again watching silence in the library.
It felt like a proper Doctor Who “monster of the week” episode.
Loved it.
Something I’ve noticed about this iteration of Tennant’s Doctor so far is that while it’s quite similar to the 10th Doctor, the main difference is that this Doctor seems more open emotionally. 10 would only occasionally have moments where he showed an emotional or vulnerable side, like after Rose’s departure, getting uncharacteristically agressive when asking Martha about Yana in Utopia, the Master’s death and even his meltdown (I don’t mean this in a bad way) before saving Wilf. 14, on the other hand, seems to have more emotional moments that have less personal restraint, like saying how much Donna and Wilf mean to him, the upset when he has to bring the DoctorDonna back, being as accusatory as Donna when the Tardis leaves and getting angry later in the episode. All that in the span of TWO episodes, as opposed to 10’s occasional moments through three series and a handful of specials.
This, it's very much 10 as filtered through 12 and 13, which I love
This is a story I feel will (and has been over the past couple of hours) get better in my mind. It was weird, out there, and I did really admire what it did, maybe I just wasn’t in the right mindset going in. Definitely really good episode though.
Wild Blue Yonder was a crazy episode but a decent one as well. I would give it 8/10, it was better than Star Beast imo.
I go 8.5 because of Donna death and because I have faith. New seasons going to be a blast. They already filmed all two seasons of 15th Doctor
Anyone else think that the mavity word has more significance than just quirky fun. There was one instance where the doctor uses the word gravity subconsciously and then apologises about it. One moment we are expected to believe that the doctor interacts with newton, influencing him and instantly rewriting history changing gravity to mavity and even changing the doctor and Donas memory of the word. The fact that the word gravity still exists in the doctors head is sounding the cloister bell in my mind. My understanding of doctor who tells me two situations normally happen: one it doesn't matter what the doctor does because he was always going to be part of that moment in time so ultimately the time line is unchanged; Secondly if the doctor changes something that he knows was supposed to happen then a paradox or parallel world is created and the doctor is always aware that something changed and typically that change is corrected. Therefore all previous doctor who lore should say that changing the word gravity to mavity without the doctor being aware it's wrong should be impossible and the fact that the doctor subconsciously used the word gravity should highlight that on some level the doctor knows something is very wrong. I don't know what's happening but the doctors perception of reality is being severely influenced to the point that makes me wonder when did it start?
I agree, seems to suggest some timey wimey issues, hopefully they’ll be resolved in the third part
The changing of the word might be what’s responsible for the strange situation going on back in London that we saw at the end of the episode… butterfly effect and all that.
I hated the opening, but if it ends up being important, then I'll stand corrected.
@@archief1783Honestly probably a season 1 story, same with the invoking a superstition foreshadow. These are huge concepts to solve in one episode, and kind of a waste as well. Unless the Mavity thing is resolved with a universe reboot to undo the flux.
This was not the real Isaak Newton. The real Isaak Newton discovered Gravity after the 4th Doctor was sat in the tree, dropping apples in his head and later explained the concept to him.
If the really was the real Isaak Newton, the TARDIS would have crushed the Doctor's past self!
A cool detail is that the Flux theme played when the fake Donna mentioned the flux
I agree with your statement about it not seeming like an anniversary episode. I have yet to see anything that is as special as the Day of the Doctor.
Great episode! As you state the eeriness of the unknown entity coupled with the reference to The Doctors past to give The Timeless Children revelation genuine depth and intrigue going forward did it for me. With Bernard Cribbins being the cherry on the top! Russell doesn’t always get it right but it’s great to have him back as he adds depth and fun and on the whole there is no better show runner for DW IMO. So far I think these specials are doing a perfectly good job for the anniversary as opposed to them just shoehorning cameos in left, right and centre. Jodie’s exit just a couple of episodes back was already the nostalgia fest in that respect. However I would never be disappointed if Christopher Ecclestone and Paul McGann showed up in the final special. I know that will not happen and likely doesn’t need to but I would love that. In fact I’d just love more screen time with either of them in the future. So that aside my main hope for the 14th doctors last episode is that we learn why that face again and why his clothes regenerated too. Bring on next weeks! Wow… I haven’t felt this excited for an episode of Doctor Who since the 50th anniversary!
This episode was utterly fantastic! I too got big Midnight vibes with the character-focused psychological storytelling. As well as the idea of a 'lifeform' existing where life rightfully can't. Next week is gonna have a job topping this and honestly it's fine if it doesn't. Best episode in many years and one I will keep rewatching for years to come.
6:14 I mean, Davies has gone on record before saying that he has no intentions of retconning the Timeless Child and that he actually likes it.
Still doesn't change the fact that I would say like 80% of the fanbase hates the idea of the timeless child.
Me included.
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Then I guess the challenge is to sell it to us. When Russell took over in 2008, 80% of the population hated the Doctor kissing his companion, the TARDIS containing the Eye of Harmony and the idea that the Telemovie has happened at all. RTD effectively canonized Paul McGann - what he did then and is doing now could be termed "retconsenting".
@markpostgate2551 True, however I'd still say that the timeless child is genuinely the worst idea ever brought up in dr who history.
I'll still watch, but I'm still never going to accept it because its so stupid.
Think you’ve summed it it brilliantly lad. It felt like the good old doctor who we use to have. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come, BUT. I’m apprehensive, time will tell 🤷🏻♂️.
Really Really Honest Review:
- Very happy with the return of Russell T Davies
- music in every frames makes my ears want to protest for its own good.
- New Tardis ROCKKKKS!!
- Too many features for a sonic screwdriver but nah, I love it in some perspectives.
- I forgot the mavity equation, was it (G * m1 * m2) / d^2?
- Almost left Donna behind, this is new. Love it
Everything about this episode was amazing. The silly little jokes between the Doctor and Donna, them changing something so small like the word gravity to mavity, then using it in sentences as normal, the clones looking absolutely terrifying at times but looking goofy at just the right times to relieve tension. My absolute favourite bit about this was the fact that RTD actually let the audience think and be curious about what is happening. I hate it when episodes are explained too much, shoving the answer straight in the audience's face. This episode was truly up to the audience's interpretation as to what the monster actually was and why everything was happening and that's what made me love it so much. It really felt like this episode belonged in season 4 and I'm so excited for the final episode.
I'm sure there's more to this "mavity" thing than you think. For a start, IF we're not viewing a 'branch' timeline now, the unplanned visit to Isaac Newton has obviously rewritten history. That, in itself, is odd. If anything, it should have resulted in a paradox, rather than rewriting things
1 minute of silence for the captain that sacrifice herself to save the entire universe 😭
I was honestly expecting it to be the Midnight entity. Glad I'm not the only one who thought that
Loved it. I love episodes where the characters are split up and have to figure things out on thier own.
I think this episode is probably the thing that got David and Catherine to return.
Genuinely a very good episode.
-Wasn't not liking, nor liking The Star Beast. Felt a bit rushed, and not polished(Especially compared to Wild Blue Yonder, which does feel like it's gotten that time to cook. Also loved the lack of Sonic Screwdriver being accessible, I always love it when the Doctor has to actually think, construct a plan and use the resources on hand to solve the problem. Like when he can create Sci-Fi Tech from regular items. Showcases The Doctor's brilliance.). None of that issue here though, loved it.
Doctor and Donna were on fire this episode too, loved the banter between them as always.
Wilf is fantastic to see.
This IS Doctor Who.
Edit: The moment when Not-Donna started talking to the Doctor about 'Where are you from?'. Shivers, I actually really enjoyed the mention of Timeless Child being referenced.
-At first I wasn't fond of the plot, but the more I've thought about it? Yeah, I like it.
It's definitely my personal headcanon that this episode's monster is in some way connected to the monster from midnight.
I was so hoping that the monsters would say they were from midnight or some other connection which would've been really cool
I was never a particular fan of David Tennant as The Doctor but I loved this episode and think it was his best. It was a bit of a shame it had to be ruined slightly at the beginning though. Hands up who thought Donna was going to say 'Is it me or was Isaac Newton... Indian?' On a lighter note at least they put the steering wheel on the buggy on the right side! P.S. Loved seeing Wilf at the end. R.I.P. Bernard Cribbins, one of our national treasures.
Nathan Curtis superb actor. Excellent in its a sin wholely miscast in DW and one of those cultural appropriations Caucasian cast members get roasted for
His best? Like better than the comparable themed "Midnight"?
oh whatever. If only people were as quick to get angry about this kind of thing when it's a person of color being portrayed by a white person - y'all never seem to give a fuck about that
I'm glad that RTD nailed down what the state of the universe is now. After Chibnall's era we were left with "Is 99% of the universe gone? No-one's talking about that though, and it *seems* to still be about? Did that get reversed somehow? We didn't see that happen, though?". Russel has drawn a line down the middle and gone "half the universe is gone" which IMO is a good call - it still leaves a ton of consequence to work through, but everything in the universe that we need to still be there probably is.
For that one moment, we had a Doctor Who and Attack on Titan crossover.
Tennant did more realistic acting in the rage moment than jodie did in all her episodes combined
Bullshit.
that episode was incredible and the Issac scene crack me so much
Thank goodness the discovery of mavity was uneffected.
Yep. Pretty much. Some of my very favorite adventures are ones where the Doctor has to do without the TARDIS or even the Sonic. Brings me back to Heaven Sent, a bit!
I think the timeless child and the Flux storyline give Russell T Davis a new time war story arc. Something to make the Doctor feel guilty again. There going to be some sadness with the Doctor again brace yourself lol.
Honestly, the worst part about rewatches for this episode are that it'll be harder to ignore the bad CGI of the main hallway, but even then that's not too big of a deal for me, I loved the concept, the plot, and just the acting in this episode.
I liked this one a lot more than the first one. I mean, they were both good, but this one doesn't have the heavy handed gender politics. Thought that might just be cuz rose wasn't there. Regardless, it was fun, it was confusing, and the monsters were actually kinda freaky when they weren't being goofy. The arms bit was so unsettling. Dunno why people keep comparing it to Midnight. Aside from the very basic premise of being trapped on a ship with an unknown disguise, its very different in tone, themes, and story.
I agree... there's probably as much Heaven Sent in there in that case. Ignoring who plays the Doctor and looking instead at the structure of the story in terms of how late in the episode the penny drops and the change in pace afterwards; the monotony and repetitiveness (both in a good way) to get to the plot resolution point. Not to mention the very limited number of actors used. If Midnight didn't have the "copying" bit in it, I don't think it would come to mind at all.
One thing i got from this is that the timeless child can be brought up and that it might be going somewhere or to him telling Ruby in the future. Lets hope that RTD has a vision for that if he includes it again though. The first one i did like but i assumed correctly that i would like this episode a lot more. Ofc i know nothing of the last one rn, but this episode was so freaking good. Im so hyped for RTD's next era if he's writing like this, i love the Doctor and anything that dives into his past or these little like bottle episodes that expose his character. Midnight is one of if not my favorite episode of New Who (and Heaven Sent, which is also just the Doctor), and this is it but if it was The Doctor and Donna. WHAT MORE COULD YOU ASK FOR.
The only thing that "frustrates" me about the timeless child conclusion is that it reveals one big truth about RTD in contrast to the other two NuWho showrunners: No matter how he might feel about his colleagues time on the show, he respects their work and seeks to work with it rather than discard it and start over. And that is something neither Moffat nor Chibnall did. Moffat retconned one of the cleverest things NuWho had going for it (namely: the time war) and rarely ever had any continuity to RTDs run. Chibnall completely bulldozed over Moffats contributions by destroying Gallifrey again. So now Gallifrey is gone but in a much less interesting way. He also completely ignored the beautifully done character development Missy went through. With all that I think RTD had every right to just ignore what the other show runners did. I commend him for not doing that (although its no secret that I have always hated the timeless children twist - I genuinely think its one of the worst things that ever happened to this show). But this kind of continuity is very one-sided.
Omg the glasses 8:48. I forgot about them, great to see them return in one form or another. Very subtle but adds to the familiarity.
I couldn't agree with you more, especially what you said about Midnight, which is also my favourite episode from New Who. It was so reminiscent of that, and also the gangers in The Rebel Flesh, like a mix of the 2
One thing I gotta respect is the monster. Seeing Russel wrote midnight he could had done something similar for an eldritch alien but he didn’t. Instead of going with the mystery aspect the entity from midnight did, they went with the other worldly aspect. All the time they manage to escape the enemy was because they didn’t understand how human worked. It was really cool
Me personally I loved the mystery of it and the built up to the release of the episode with no to completely nothing to go off on having no clue what was going to happen it’s awesome (I have a question for anyone who sees this but what the hell is gravity I know he have mavity but what’s gravity)
Generally thought better than 1st special. Although needless Nathan Curtis cameo ( in a role only Davis could think he appropriate for) more of a cross between event horizon/ sphere & invasion of the body snatchers. Tennant proving still to be a better Dr than smith , capaldi and Whittaker combined. And as usual Tate managing great acting / terror gobbiness and humour often at same time. Best moment though much missed Bernard cribbins. True showbusiness legend
I would like to disagree. IMO Tennant is not a better Dr than Tom or Matt. They were far more alien - and Dr W needs to be alien.
I absolutely loved the episode. Haven’t enjoyed doctor who like that in ages. We didn’t need any big spectacles or fan service in this episode. Cathrine and David stole the show as usual I’m honestly so glad Russell decided to keep this episode simpler and more contained.
I don't know if you can say there were no big spectacles.Having a seemingly infinite and massive corridor stuffed with two entangled and mangled gigantic replicas of the Doctor and Donna was quite a spectacle.
Don't see that everyday, and didn't expect to evee see it at all!
8/10, this is what I was hoping for with RTD, dear god please let this be the new standard. Looking forward to The Giggle!
this felt like a return to form for the series since arguably series 6. more of this classic nu-who vibe going forward would be fantastic.
Really glad you gave a shout out to ‘Midnight.’ It’s easily one of my favourite NewWho episodes; just a great idea with great writing. This episode very much reminded me of it. It was like ‘Midnight’ with a bigger budget.
‘StarBeast’ was both intriguing and at times a bit cringey but this episode was fantastic. Great to once again see a doctor and his companion has some a real onscreen chemistry.
A breath of fresh air between two polarizing episodes
The Changellings of the Edge of the Universe are one of the best new villains in a long time, really scary stuff
I really don't like the timeless child storyline. I think it's one of the worst things Chibnall decided to add. But I really think Russell has handled it well so far and I am excited to see how he addresses it later.
I'd have rather him just not and leave it at that.
Its a storyline that from personal experience it seems like 80% of the fanbase hates, which I understand its now Canon but it destroys the dw universe for me so nothing that Russel can do can save it for me tbh.
This is just all confirmation bias. Detractors are always the most vocal - but that doesn't mean they're a majority. I would agree that in my time watching Dr Who comment sections have been the most negative around Chibnall, but I've also seen plenty of people commenting that they actually like The Timeless Child idea. I'm kind of split between - I think it's a really cool concept that wasn't executed well, but was finally offering something truly fresh to the show - if RTD can make something of it then so be it
@clintdavis1452 I don't know tbh.
I've spoken to quite few who fans and all have said they hate it due to the fact it makes the doctor this amazing centre of the universe being who is so special, which I think detracts from the whole persona of just a timelord who ran away.
It can work in some ways but I just stand it.
@@benlewis2130 oh I absolutely agree, I'd rather it be written out completely, but if he's going to continue it on, I'm interested to see where he takes it. I still think it would've been a much better story to have the master be the timeless child, it would give him the motivation to destroy gallifrey, angry at how he'd been treated. But even then, I'd prefer it just to not be a thing at all haha
1:16
one thing i have to say is rewriting history and race swapping people that existed isn't "silly" its a big problem and it's something that should always
be pointed out
and yes if it was the other way around it would be just as wrong history shouldn't be lied and changed to be more diverse
if they wanted a diverse figure for a joke they could of used one instead of race swapping a white one
I didn't say anything about the race swapping. It's the tone of the intro I found silly, the forceful in your face comedy
I really didn’t enjoy the forceful social commentary in the first episode or the flat writing (didn’t feel like RTD wrote it!) and I almost didn’t watch this episode… but I’m SO glad I did. I thoroughly enjoyed it! It was miles ahead of the last episode and I could’ve watched an entire hour. It felt like the problem and resolution worked well and it was really unhinged. I loved it.
4:39 I like your Midnight connection theory but personally I'd say the creatures reminded me more of The Rebel Flesh Gangers, especially when they started extorting their body features and walking around on all fours kinda like when the Jennifer Ganger transformed into a monster. Granted that was a Moffat monster and not an RTD but still the similarities are there.
Having said that I can certainly see how you could connect it with the midnight monster and see it as a creature that has evolved to not just simply copy speach and mannerisms but now also copy physical forms too.
Totally agree with everything, including Midnight which I kept thinking of. Was Donna saying Allons-y foreshadowing?
Loved the episode. Doc´s and Donna´s, Midnight episode also came to mind, where the villain, was not seen, but took another form :)
Yes, this was a true return to form. I like how when Donna points at the alien skeleton and askes who is he, she or it, the Doctor says that is definitely a she. That is some welcomed push-back from last weeks episode.
I’m 27 now and this episode scared me more than when I watched Doctor Who from aged 10-21.
Really fantastic ole school vibe.. wife missed some of it ( probably best parts) actually looking forward to re-watching today !
The only issues I had with this episode is why BBC have for casting an Indian as Isaac Newton, At the start of the William Hartnell year they where told to keep historical characters as accurate as postable. Other than that it was good and nice to see Bernard Cribbins at the end.
Great episode. One issue I had was the use of “mavity” - a rewatch confirmed that the Doctor and Donna were long gone when (not Sir) Isaac Newton first said the word.
The doctor and Donna didn't have to be there to hear him say "mavity". They accidentally changed the timeline, that's what it's always been called for them as history changed and instead of the word "gravity" existing, the word "mavity" took its place, if that makes sense.
@@veryepic2814 Except that they correct themselves after saying “gravity”. Maybe they have both timelines in their heads and they’re “misgendering/dead naming” by accident.
Okay. I’ve rewatched the episode. Doctor says “gravity” and then corrects himself to ”mavity” after Donna queries the word. So he has two timelines and she only has one maybe?
“The first good episode since “The Doctor Falls””
Bang on.
I hope they elaborate on the timeless child stuff and I hope they ret in it but not in the way most people think I want them to retcon it... I want them to change it so it's closer to the lungbarrow book... Because realistically the timeless child is basically what that book set out to canonized and what they were planning on doing with the 7th doctor before it was canceled
I'm glad they finally touched on this subject, if only briefly. If only to validate Whittakers tenure as the Doctor and all that her Doctor faced. Last week I thought they were just ignoring it all, just to reboot the series. The timeless child will need covering at some point, for now I'm just glad it was mentioned along with the flux ect. That fake Donna confronting the Doctor about his past, since he saw Donna last- was brilliantly done. As let's be honest the Doctor has had 3 regenerations since, has had multiple adventures since and is thousands of years older. So I personally liked the nod to this fact. It's what last week's episode was missing.
Spectacular episode imo. I liked the Star beast and viewed it as a reintroduction to the RTD era, giving a safe start. And for that I respect it. But this episode was exactly as you described, feeling more like an episode in the middle of the season with a ton of rewatch ability. The pacing and mystery were more in line with what we’ve seen with the revival era at its peak.
Agreed, this is the kind of episode that I would rewatch to pick out Easter eggs. With the star beast, I felt like I had to rewatch it because I had no idea what the hell happened by the end of it.
It felt rushed and shoehorned, and over the top just to show off. It also felt like there were multiple stories in the starbase that weren't really connected.
This was so much better!
@@MatthewNelsonCook Oh I’ll definitely be watching this one a bunch. Fantastic episode all around. And again, better than last weeks, but I did enjoy last weeks
@@alexholden2512
I like last week's episode in a vacuum, it's just that overall it was very weak compared to the majority of them. And it felt rushed to me. Also disconnected from even itself.
It was like they tried to fit two hours worth of stuff. No one hour.
Also, the Sonic! Lol
Did anyone catch that this was an old enemy? The same enemy the Doctor faces with Amy Pond; Prisoner Zero. At first I didnt even think about it but then I noticed things like the teeth and the changing of body type. Just like Prisoner Zero with the guy and the dog and the alien got the dog and human backwards? It would also make sense as to why no one knew the aliens had gotten on the ship since it uses vision perception (can only be seen in the corner of your eye). If its not it has to be a close cousin of the same kind.
It's definty possible but I don't buy it
There's a good possibility that could be true. More importantly, I believe this whole episode to be a celebration of the episode Midnight. It definitely comes off as a sequel or some kind of spiritual successor. Are the copies the Midnight entity? No, probably not. However, in concept they are adjacent to the idea. I've seen lots of people talk about Wild Blue Yonder giving Midnight vibes alongside many others who cite episodes like the Eleventh Hour, The Rebel Flesh, and The Almost People.
First I've seen anyone mention the possibility of the shapeshifters in this being Prisoner Zero, or more of its kind. It'd be nice to see it again.
I dunno, they seem to function slightly differently. I don't think they are the same kind of entity.
This ship looks like it was made in space engineers
As soon as the aliens in this episode started mirroring, I immediately thought of Midnight.
so far, i’ve seen this episode get the same treatment the first episode of the 60th anniversary got. To me; this was the best episode of doctor who we’ve had in a while, thought that doesn’t put it on par with anything from the 9th or 10th and even 11th’s run. I found almost every joke funny, them messing around talking about the doctor being gay honestly seems in character to me, and i thought the mystery and atmosphere of this episode was a good return to tradition for the series. This is the what i’d love to see from the series moving forward
I also noticed the parallels between midnight, I thought they had very similar themes
It's my favourite episode now
That it was a decent episode, but I think the giggles going to be a banger
They took the timeless child concept and gave it some weight. It’s not just a shock factor reveal but a character defining moment. There was some of this with the 13th doctor but not enough for how much of the season hinged on the concept.
Made me think of The Flesh. However, Flesh, Midnight, Nestene or Zygon (typically more humanoid sized), wouldn't the Doctor have recognized them, especially Midnight? Loved this, was down the rabbit hole to Event Horizon in Wonderland....
A great contrast with Donna now vs series 4 Donna is that she doesn’t want to travel long term, or even short term. This was meant to be a short hop to see Wilf. Realising she might not get home to her family is distressing and she tries to rationalise by what they’d do (her prediction about Wilf being correct).
I hope to see stuff like this in the future. The Newton joke was good too.
God damn it Bernard Cribbins had me bawling like a baby
Legit, I thought it was either something to do with midnight or almost something of silence of the library
Phenomenal episode x liked the previous but thought it had a lot missing but this is up there with midnight and Blink for me currently ❤
I actually sat and watched and enjoyed this that how I know it was good! Depending on how the next one goes, I'm wondering if the first episode was so bad to act as a publicity stunt but let's face it they didnt need one, real fans would've tuned in no matter what just because of the actors.
Fingers crossed 🤞.
I agree. The first episode of the new series made me feel like they were trying to Disney-fy it.
Over the top set pieces, bad CGI, and God help me. If the sonic screwdriver becomes a lightsaber/ weapon at some point, I may boycott lol.
This was proper Who!
Small set and actual story, actual mystery.
@@MatthewNelsonCook yeah I just can't believe they actually managed to get the episode this far with everybody on board with it, it honestly felt so great watching this one it's like stepping back in time to how good It used to be.
Thank you for giving an honest, unbiased review of this episode when so many are just jumping on the "IT'S TOO WOKE!" bandwagon. I wasn't a fan of Star Beast at all, and this episode had a couple of cringe moments, namely the race swapped Newton and making the Doctors sexuality so overt, the second one totally unnecessary as we all already knew that anyway, (it's like RTD forgot all about the Doctors interactions with Cpt Jack. ) At least it was short and not made into a "thing"
Overall, I enjoyed the episode very much, it was tense, creepy and did well invoking a sense of isolation. It reminded me of Event Horizon in some ways, like a family friendly version. I hope it goes on in this direction with the focus on the storytelling and the characters important traits (which is not their gender, sexuality or race) They're gay, straight, female, male, white, black, whatever, yes yes, just get on with telling a great Doctor Who story please.
He has been portrayed as snogging women all throughout NuWho, but one line about finding a man hot is 'too overt' 🤔🤔🤔
Maybe examine yourself and why you think that
@@Pidove727 He? Did you just assume his pronouns? Yes it was unnecessary, we already knew the Doctor has no real preference, as I said, just look back at their interactions with Cpt. Jack. The issue I had with that short scene was that it was put across as if it was something new, something the Doctor (and us) didn't already know about themselves. Unnecessarily overt. So please, I know why I thought that, you'd just like to think there was an ulterior motive, there isn't, I just though it was just poor writing.
plump forearms felt like those sausage hands from Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Watching this while slightly hammered was an experience. Better than the first ep though, and am really excited for the giggle.
My theory is they are the same the midnight entity in the creatures here but I would say it’s the same creatures when they don’t have a physical body I guess similar to the snake master in the TV movie
I love how new and different this doctor feels, even with the same face
I'm so happy rn
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This is the best doctor who episode since twice upon a time. Its a solid 9/10 story that I have missed for so long.
After the dissapointment and frustration of the previous episode its so great to see an episode, especially an experimental episode that actually works!
This episode reminds me of listen in a lot of ways, the experimental conceit and the idea of trying to unfold a mystery to which most answers would be unsatisfactory, yet both episodes pull off good solutions.
The horror was extremely well executed and the antagonists were very creative and the right combination of camp and silliness. The whole conceit is very interesting and executed very well.
It is understated and small scale in all the right ways. The corridor does kinda look a bit weird but the effects apart from that are all excellent. Also I love that the climax is just running down the same corridor lol.
This touches into cosmic horror to some extent and since its probably my favorite genre of horror it worked very well.
I love the scene where 14 remembers the flux and somehow in 1 scene I feel 1000x more than I did during flux.
I initially did find the 15 years line weird, but immediatelty realised it was with respect to Donna; This makes the 1 million years wrt Donna hit a lot harder because The Doctor has experienced thousands of years of pain(depending on how you count heaven sent it could be said to be in the billions); Yea it all hurts a lot more.
Oh small nitpick(kinda); I dislike the advertising of this episode as 'Farther than they have ever gone' considering Scherzo definitely and Heaven Sent in terms of the unexplanability of it all would both definitely place higher.
What a nice back to form.
More of this please!
You've commented on everything I was thinking. Its everything last weeks episode was missing. This is Doctor Who. Near perfection.