Loving the fact that we're sitting here now in 2022 having seen these 4 do something similar in The Power of The Doctor, seems appropriate to revisit Zagreus somehow 😊
For example, you can believe that the Sixth Doctor just bumped his head in Time and the Rani and regenerated into Seven. Then, you can believe that the novel "Spiral Scratch" happened, where he was weakened prior to his regeneration so that the bump on the head just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back. Then, you can also believe that the Doctor consciously commited suicide to become Time's Champpion, as detailed in the eponimous novel, or that a dormant Seventh consciousness...
Better them being a peanut gallery in his head than them being actively able to take control of the Doctor’s newest body like the Ten/the Eleven/the Twelve/etc was stuck with… Big Finish really should have called that time lord something like: Legion, the Collective, the System, etc instead of just using whatever number incarnation they’re on with a The in front of it…
I think this is fantastic. Man I think Paul, Sylvester, Colin, Peter. All of the did a brilliant job, I loved the five doctor's reboot. My goodness hilarious. Shame they did not get a part into the 50th.
What if all the "dead" incarnations of the Doctor actually just wandered around in the current Doctor's head. Just talking and hanging out. Commenting on the current Doctors way of dealing with stuff.
What if all the "dead" incarnations of the Doctor actually just wandered around in the current Doctor's head. Just talking and hanging out. Commenting on the current Doctors way of dealing with stuff. And now I'm picturing the flashback parts of Extremis with the seventh and eighth doctors providing commentary.
If that were the case, the Mary Shelley Ep wouldn't have been made. He was never in sync with fandom after his first 15 mins of fame with Open Air so the books, comics, and audios mean nothing to him
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@@korystephens3318 You are just salty because canon dosen't apply to you anymore.
Supposedly in the Day of the Doctor novel/audiobook the time crash had all the Doctor’s iterations having tea in the Under Gallery after they saved Gallifrey…
Yes, exactly! And there are official novels (and one or two audio dramas) like "World Game" and "Helicon Prime" that actively encourage this theory by being placed in that very time slot. There are even old TV Action comics where the Second Doctor was banished to Earth but not forcefully regenerated until some time later ("The Nightwalkers"). This stuff is official, so at least it hold some substance and is "credible", canon-wise.
@brigeboy95 That is true, but Big Finish are not allowed to use Aliens or characters created for the new series, and the other way round, so they'll never acknowledge each other officially. Big Finish sometimes does some sneaky references, for example in "The Kingmaker" the Fifth Doctor writes himself a note to deliver a letter next time he passes by seventeenth century England. The receiver then wonders who that "northern bloke with the big ears and the leather jacket" was.
I see what you mean! It's a bit like people believing that the Second Doctor still experienced adventures after "The War Games" and before "Spearheads in Space!".
I have to agree with Seven! His way of regenerating was way worse than Six! I mean, being declared dead and then regenarating into a morgue! Not very funny, is it?!
@outofthegreenmist I believe it's the fact that they're aspects pulled from the Eighth Doctor's mind, thus they'd be aware of everything that's happened to the Doctor up to his eight regeneration.
But if you count the novel and audio The Nightmare Fair the Sixth Doctor did get to Blackpool. Presumably the Doctor meant he didn't get to Blackpool exactly after Revelation of the Daleks.
@Richiepookinshoo They're all of his incarnations speaking to him from inside his own mind. Each individual personality seems to stay somewhere in the Doctor's subconscious, and, in a weird way, "Live" through him, although buried deep down. It's probably how each Doctor has memories of their past incarnations.
It's been a while since I listened to this, so I forget the context in which the other Doctor's appeared, but how could 5, 6 and 7 know about their future regenerations into their successors? Surely, it would be 7 who remembers the bang on the head, and so on? How could 7 remember regenerating into 8?
I was reading in either Seven or Eight’s tardis wiki page that Seven kept having a precog vision of dying while music from Madam Butterfly was playing… which is what Grace was listening to while operating on the Seventh Doctor… So it’s not impossible for Seven to have seen more visions regarding his death…
Well, maybe it's just after the phenomenal 2nd season of McGann's (a season that's even better than most tv seasons of Who, imo), Zagreus just seemed sort of, well, dissapointing. Maybe my standards were just too high, but really, on the 40th anniversary, did anyone really give a fuck about the eternal war between Goldilocks and the Three Bears? Sorry, that's just the biggest complaint I have about the story that always niggles me. But this part was certainly magical!
The Silence is actually Zagreus? could it be the power is coming back to try to claim its prize from the Doctor also this sounds like they are on the cusp of the time War because its sounds like Rasilon is desperate
@KingLofiOne Though it hasn't quite stopped them from making some subtle references from what I've heard. As you can tell, I love the audio dramas. But, I wouldn't be opposed to some of the New Series Doctors or characters making appearances. The Ninth Doctor happens to be my favorite of them all, lol.
@brigeboy95 Of course, I think BF is canon to the TV Series, that is, Classic Who. But there are so very few ties to New Who that the Silence just can't be Zagreus. Yet. Until someone writes an officially released story that they are the agents of the Lord of Anti-Time. There's a difference between making stuff up and stuff that's clearly linked together where you can decide whether it's part of your personal canon or not.
Ah, this is a great moment, with all the 4 doctors featured on the cover actually meeting up, even in death. The ONLY part of Zagreus I actually like. I wonder why?
@doctorw2 Well, it won't be the Silence as the Big Finish audio episodes are not part of the TV series canon. That's how it officially is. However, that doesn't mean the audio plays are bad. I rather enjoy them.
@brigeboy95 ...took control over the Sixth in and made him regenerate so that Six in fact holds a grudge against Seven for effectively murdering him to be born and will one day becomeValeyard to take revenge on the Doctor, as detailed in "Love and War". You can believe all of it happened, some of it happened, or nothing at all. That's what Build-Your-Own-Canon means. It's not things like "I think Rose Tyler is the Rani in disguise, and the Silence must be Zagreus". There's no substance for that.
Ok looked it up, it seems it's reused recordings of some sort or maybe previously unseen recordings. There's no other way he could we included. I saw he was credited, which means some recording was re-used.
Sorry guys, can't upload any more. I've lost my Big Finish credentials (temporarily) and the computer containing the audio dramas has been rendered out of service...(Also temporarily), xD
The amount of Audio Dramas he made more than made up for his lack of on screen time. However, I agree that the 8th doctor may have been my favourite TV doctor.
Dean Punk if you look back at the plans for what could have been the 8th Doctor TV series....Mccgann actually got a much better deal doing the audio dramas. His TV show's stories would've been the equivalent of an american reboot of key episodes from the classic series, just thought u should know, try and lookup the concept scripts :)
when the sixth doctor says 'I never got to Blackpool' = the biggest in-joke EVER
I love how sylvester had to roll his "r" when he said " I am Zagrrrrreus." Ah I love him
Loving the fact that we're sitting here now in 2022 having seen these 4 do something similar in The Power of The Doctor, seems appropriate to revisit Zagreus somehow 😊
I suspect that's where Chibnall cribbed the idea from if he listens to BF. Of course, this scene did it better. MUCH better.
Still this audio sucks.
We got something like this onscreen recently in The Power Of The Doctor.
Why I love Big Finish! You can get so many good multi doctor stories and not have to worry about what the doctor looks like, just genius!
dang3race2 I know, right? I literally closed my eyes as I listened and pictured the actors.
Love it when Colin baker said I never got to Blackpool, a great reference to his cancelled series
*laughs in Big Finish circa 2009*
You did, Colin, you did
"And I very much fear the moment's NOT been prepared for..."
CLASSIC!
0:33 This Logopolis reference just slipped passed me.
For example, you can believe that the Sixth Doctor just bumped his head in Time and the Rani and regenerated into Seven. Then, you can believe that the novel "Spiral Scratch" happened, where he was weakened prior to his regeneration so that the bump on the head just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back. Then, you can also believe that the Doctor consciously commited suicide to become Time's Champpion, as detailed in the eponimous novel, or that a dormant Seventh consciousness...
"And I very much fear the moment has not been prepared for"
Died 😂😂😂
I don't get it?
@@claudius3359 When the Fourth Doctor is about to regenerate he says "It's the end! But the moment has been prepared for". 7th is referencing the line
Did the Guardians of the Edge thing in Power of the Doctor remind anyone else of this scene?
I love the chemistry of 5, 6, & 7
I love the idea that all of The Doctor's past incarnations just hang out in the back of his own mind arguing with each other
Better them being a peanut gallery in his head than them being actively able to take control of the Doctor’s newest body like the Ten/the Eleven/the Twelve/etc was stuck with…
Big Finish really should have called that time lord something like: Legion, the Collective, the System, etc instead of just using whatever number incarnation they’re on with a The in front of it…
@@heymikey4025 In Once and Future it regenerated into it's final incarnation, which calls itself the Union, so we have a name for it finally
McGann really needs to come back for the Golden Age. It's been far too long.
Love The Sixth Doctor's reference to the Lost Season 23
I love how Six and Seven complain about their deaths at the start.
I think this is fantastic. Man I think Paul, Sylvester, Colin, Peter. All of the did a brilliant job, I loved the five doctor's reboot. My goodness hilarious. Shame they did not get a part into the 50th.
they should have I don't know what the heck Steven Moffat was thinking
@@michaelsegal7443 Well, now had timeless Doctors.
And then there's Power of the Doctor.
1:56 Never cruel or cowardly, never give up, never give in.
My 4 favourite Doctors exchanging banter. What could be better?
"the doctor lives???"
"oh no he doesn't."
fucking savage
1:54 gives me chills
I wonder if Peter, Colin, Sylvester and Paul were in the studio togheter when they recorded this!
1:37 this put me in tears
What if all the "dead" incarnations of the Doctor actually just wandered around in the current Doctor's head. Just talking and hanging out. Commenting on the current Doctors way of dealing with stuff.
I'm pretty sure they do - it would be amusing to see/hear.
You just wrote the Eleven. Bravo.
What if all the "dead" incarnations of the Doctor actually just wandered around in the current Doctor's head. Just talking and hanging out. Commenting on the current Doctors way of dealing with stuff.
And now I'm picturing the flashback parts of Extremis with the seventh and eighth doctors providing commentary.
John Smith That is a golden idea
That would explain why 13 seems to be somewhat of a hodgepodge.
"Whatever will the critics say?"
*DAMN* that's good.
'i never got to blackpool....'
great line for the sixth doctor
Great hearing these 4 Doctors together
So Chibnall's a Zagreus fan.
If that were the case, the Mary Shelley Ep wouldn't have been made.
He was never in sync with fandom after his first 15 mins of fame with Open Air so the books, comics, and audios mean nothing to him
@@korystephens3318 You are just salty because canon dosen't apply to you anymore.
I always wandered what listening in on the Doctors fever dream would be like.
I'd quite like his next regeneration to be similar to this, meeting his previous incarnations and all that.
Lol TUAT
Well we did get something similar of sorts on The Power of The Doctor
Supposedly in the Day of the Doctor novel/audiobook the time crash had all the Doctor’s iterations having tea in the Under Gallery after they saved Gallifrey…
Very similar to the Power of Doctor
Yes, exactly! And there are official novels (and one or two audio dramas) like "World Game" and "Helicon Prime" that actively encourage this theory by being placed in that very time slot. There are even old TV Action comics where the Second Doctor was banished to Earth but not forcefully regenerated until some time later ("The Nightwalkers"). This stuff is official, so at least it hold some substance and is "credible", canon-wise.
I like how when Seventh mentioned Mel the Sixth doctor referenced carrot juice
Peter casually referencing Logopolis is iconic.
The 6th doctor is soooo much better with some good writing, love Davison and McCoy with McGann.
It's a shame McGann only had one on screen appearance as the Doctor. Imagine if these four men were on screen? It would be awesome.
Three for now. Still not enough though…
Wow. This is truly brilliant. Makes me want to get it.
"That Charley doesn't do things by halves, does she?"
@brigeboy95 That is true, but Big Finish are not allowed to use Aliens or characters created for the new series, and the other way round, so they'll never acknowledge each other officially. Big Finish sometimes does some sneaky references, for example in "The Kingmaker" the Fifth Doctor writes himself a note to deliver a letter next time he passes by seventeenth century England. The receiver then wonders who that "northern bloke with the big ears and the leather jacket" was.
Well this aged well.
Wish this was a T.V episode. Would've been amazing to watch
I see what you mean! It's a bit like people believing that the Second Doctor still experienced adventures after "The War Games" and before "Spearheads in Space!".
I have to agree with Seven! His way of regenerating was way worse than Six! I mean, being declared dead and then regenarating into a morgue! Not very funny, is it?!
@outofthegreenmist I believe it's the fact that they're aspects pulled from the Eighth Doctor's mind, thus they'd be aware of everything that's happened to the Doctor up to his eight regeneration.
I recommend that people get this! It's amazing :D xxx Thanks for uploading this snippet
I'm listening to this on the 50th anniversary.
But if you count the novel and audio The Nightmare Fair the Sixth Doctor did get to Blackpool. Presumably the Doctor meant he didn't get to Blackpool exactly after Revelation of the Daleks.
I can imagine one with the New Who Doctors
Rock me Zagreus!
@Richiepookinshoo They're all of his incarnations speaking to him from inside his own mind. Each individual personality seems to stay somewhere in the Doctor's subconscious, and, in a weird way, "Live" through him, although buried deep down.
It's probably how each Doctor has memories of their past incarnations.
They'd have to get another licence from the beeb to do animations, because their current licence only covers the classic series on audio only.
It's been a while since I listened to this, so I forget the context in which the other Doctor's appeared, but how could 5, 6 and 7 know about their future regenerations into their successors? Surely, it would be 7 who remembers the bang on the head, and so on? How could 7 remember regenerating into 8?
outofthegreenmist this is meant to be in the 8th Doctor’s head.
I was reading in either Seven or Eight’s tardis wiki page that Seven kept having a precog vision of dying while music from Madam Butterfly was playing…
which is what Grace was listening to while operating on the Seventh Doctor…
So it’s not impossible for Seven to have seen more visions regarding his death…
At the end of any of the Eighth Doctor Big Finish Audios. Elsewhere, I'm unsure.
There’s a great cast for an audio radio play
Aww, Charley doesn't hate you Doctor. She's completely in love with you!
Well, maybe it's just after the phenomenal 2nd season of McGann's (a season that's even better than most tv seasons of Who, imo), Zagreus just seemed sort of, well, dissapointing.
Maybe my standards were just too high, but really, on the 40th anniversary, did anyone really give a fuck about the eternal war between Goldilocks and the Three Bears?
Sorry, that's just the biggest complaint I have about the story that always niggles me. But this part was certainly magical!
This is fucking excellent would never found or heard it had it not been uploaded.
Doctors 5,6,7,9,10,11 are my favourite doctors ever
***** and what's wrong with 1, 2, 3 and 4?
Nothing wrong with but they are not my faiovrte doctors
Dean Punk So basically all the doctors are your favorite
I heard there is actually going to be a proper 4 Doctors story soon? Where they face the Daleks
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! ZAGREUS! MOST EPIC AUDIO EVER! Would you upload more clips perhaps?
I'd have given anything to be in that recording booth at this moment xD
The Sixth Doctor doesn't say, "Happy unto", he says, "A bientot", French for "see you later." Hope that's helpful.
Oh yes he does!
Ah, merci! I should have guessed. It's kind of hard, I transcribed the whole thing myself.
Nice work dude thanks
I'm just imagining them talking to Jodi
The Silence is actually Zagreus? could it be the power is coming back to try to claim its prize from the Doctor also this sounds like they are on the cusp of the time War because its sounds like Rasilon is desperate
Yes, on my desktop which is currently....less than fully functional.
Why do you ask?
@KingLofiOne Though it hasn't quite stopped them from making some subtle references from what I've heard. As you can tell, I love the audio dramas. But, I wouldn't be opposed to some of the New Series Doctors or characters making appearances. The Ninth Doctor happens to be my favorite of them all, lol.
@brigeboy95 Of course, I think BF is canon to the TV Series, that is, Classic Who. But there are so very few ties to New Who that the Silence just can't be Zagreus. Yet. Until someone writes an officially released story that they are the agents of the Lord of Anti-Time. There's a difference between making stuff up and stuff that's clearly linked together where you can decide whether it's part of your personal canon or not.
Ah, this is a great moment, with all the 4 doctors featured on the cover actually meeting up, even in death. The ONLY part of Zagreus I actually like. I wonder why?
I am Spartacus! Oh... :/
@doctorw2 Well, it won't be the Silence as the Big Finish audio episodes are not part of the TV series canon. That's how it officially is. However, that doesn't mean the audio plays are bad. I rather enjoy them.
@brigeboy95 ...took control over the Sixth in and made him regenerate so that Six in fact holds a grudge against Seven for effectively murdering him to be born and will one day becomeValeyard to take revenge on the Doctor, as detailed in "Love and War". You can believe all of it happened, some of it happened, or nothing at all. That's what Build-Your-Own-Canon means. It's not things like "I think Rose Tyler is the Rani in disguise, and the Silence must be Zagreus". There's no substance for that.
I love 5 and 7 asking if 6ths companion would save him
@Trayusstudent1 There is indeed. It's a Subscriber Only Special that's released this month. Full details are available on the Big Finish website.
Where's Jon Pertwee?
He died before this came out if I remember correctly
@@NotReallyACardFan Yeah but he's on the cover and apparently speaks at some-point during this.
Ok looked it up, it seems it's reused recordings of some sort or maybe previously unseen recordings. There's no other way he could we included. I saw he was credited, which means some recording was re-used.
Update to that, it's lines from a fan-production called Devious!
ha, "I never got to blackpool" great little in joke there.
It's the British Broadcasting Corporation, rather than Company.
May i ask where i can get a copy of that theme at the end
@Lampgreen He might want you to put it onto youtube..Did you buy the audio?
@Lampgreen No problem!
McGann is really the best doctor
Sorry guys, can't upload any more. I've lost my Big Finish credentials (temporarily) and the computer containing the audio dramas has been rendered out of service...(Also temporarily), xD
Which part, he's in the entire drama! Well...sort of.
*Brigadier (Sorry nit picky)
UPDATED--Thank you for the help!
Nothing wrong with the 8th doctor but he only had the TV movie and no tv series if he had a tv series he would had a good run as the doctor
The amount of Audio Dramas he made more than made up for his lack of on screen time. However, I agree that the 8th doctor may have been my favourite TV doctor.
Dean Punk if you look back at the plans for what could have been the 8th Doctor TV series....Mccgann actually got a much better deal doing the audio dramas. His TV show's stories would've been the equivalent of an american reboot of key episodes from the classic series, just thought u should know, try and lookup the concept scripts :)
I never saw England win the Ashes. Hahahhahahaa. Wow. 😂😂😂
Is this story any good, I made get it?
Self-depreciating humor ftw!
Great! now I don't have to slog through Zagreus to get to this scene
this story is no slog, but if you are that impatient, its on three discs, just play the last one!
@@julieeverett7442
I'm not keen on it. But there is some good stuff.
@@meris8486 there is
I AM ZAGREUS!!!
Family Guy reference, correct?
Whoops, I thought so, but doubt reared its ugly head in my progress!
@Vlorsutes Yeah, I guess so!
@GeneHunt01 I mean "might get it"
@bjago01 eh, now he does. these audio dramas have redeemed him immensely, but at the time i couldn't get paid to watch colin baker....
@DoctorDodge Go figure. It's my favorite part of the drama though. XD
Please comment and rate!
I bought this for my ex before he was an ex. Hmm...
I think 5, 6 and 7 are much better actors than 8
Nah. 5 is different than the others, as is 6, as is 7, as is 8. DIfferent, not better.