Note: The boot timer @3:05 is running fast. The real boot time should be around 30s. There were a lot of bigger games that I did not bother installing because they would have destroyed my internal storage. Now that I am done filming this video, I am working my way through those titles. Extended plays from this video and any other games that run well will be uploaded to the second channel for those that want to see more footage.
That's extremely impressive, not just for the price but also because it's an ARM device. It can legitimately be considered a cheaper alternative to the Steam Deck for PC gaming, especially if Microsoft ever further optimizes their x86 to ARM translation layer.
Exactly, its even crazier because its an 845. Imagine if they got this running on a handheld with an 888 and proper cooling for the 888, maybe even allowing for overclock. The only thing is that they apparently still need to make it support the built in controls or is that because taki needed to film it? Can't really be real windows handheld without built in controls.
I mean... Half of the steam decks price for roughly a 6th of the performance? Even on native arm games. Fewer input methods and a bog standard desktop os on it?
I would not bother with any ARM device with running Windows with x86 or x64 emulation in mind. Just get 400 USD Steam Deck and pop in bigger SSD/SD Card. 300USD Odin Pro is decimated by Steam Deck, it's not wise to flex with Windows on ARM and far less performance.
@@JoeyBag-O-Doughnuts SSD not HDD. BTW, you can always buy an additional larger capacity NVMe drive or a karger eMMC microSD and install that on the $400 base Steam Deck. It works out being cheaper, than opting to buy the mid or high end model. It's only $20-25 for 128GB, ~$40 for 256GB and ~$80 for 1TB of either storage. Bear in mind, the base Odin also only has 64GB and the Pro has just 128GB (and that costs nearly $300) Plus, with the Steam Deck you'll be able to not only play any modern AAA PC game at 800p 30-60fps, but will also gain the ability to emulate the Wii U, Switch, Android (with higher performance), along with emulating the Wii & 3DS, without getting sound & graphical stutters. Like he said, the Steam Deck is far more impressive, than the Odin.
@@skurasch It is when you consider the size difference. It'd be awesome to see how this evolves with SD888 and proper cooling. Imagine playing Metal Gear Solid V on something this small. I think the Steam Deck looks amazing and want one myself but I still long for something much smaller. My ideal setup would be a note sized phone with a controller and the capacity to play DMC5. I think it's possible with proper optimization. Projects like this are amazing as they show the amazing hardware in phones today is purposefully limited by mediocre software.
Since Linux support is a work in progress, I would be interested to see SteamOS3 on this thing. Either way im glad I have this thing. It really is a good device.
I am thinking the same, Windows is a bit** to run, a Linux-based system will be much more streamlined, and performance will be better, but probably more finicky to install, hope Steam will make the process nice and easy. If that's the case, could be a game changer to these handheld Pc's.
Not sure if Linux/Steam OS has x86 to ARM emulation baked in. If it had Valve would probably base Steam Deck on ARM. But not sure. Maybe they are working on it and Steam Deck 2 will be ARM.. Hard to tell
@@Vrtel__ I don't think it does :(, but u never know with Valve, these guys predicted what Microsoft would be doing and staked their reputation to develop Proton and linux gaming
@@bulletpunch9317 I think ARM was meant for portable usage. It can maintain great battery life with great performance. Imho ARM is better option for all kinds of portable devices. Only disadvantage right now is lack of software support in desktop operating system s. But I'm no expert just a tech enthusiast so I might be completely wrong.
This video really shows how much power these modern mobile SoCs actually have and how little of it we actually use with mobile games/how much more could be done.
@@audam-san7707 they do that cause apple has a small amount of chips and devices, its really really easy to optimize the os, games, apps and drivers for those, otherwise their chip isn't anything special.
10 years ago people would have killed for a ps3 portable and now we can play those games on 8W power draw basically everywhere with incredible battery life...
I mean, it jumps to 14watts and then to even 45 just a bit, active cooling is needed, but of course, not nearly as much as laptops, also, I don't think the battery will be that good... Games that use 10watts+ will make you have about 4 hours of battery or less... (Depending on how much it maintain on a certain wattage). Of course, with better chips this might get fixed, in a couple of years you could even play those games at medium~high settings. Not just the power of ARM but the power of emulation!
Wait what r u talking about. Ps3 emulation on a handheld is still not optimal even at 30W in windows handhelds you cant play ps3 games on this. Do u mean paw?
I think Im honestly most impressed by Tomb Raiders performance on this device. Thats crazy how well some of these games run. They upgrade the specs on this in a future version and this would be a huge steam deck competitor at a way better price.
Great video, keep 'em coming! One suggestion, in case you make more videos showcasing W11 on the Odin: Try using DXVK on some games. DXVK converts the DirectX renderer to Vulkan. It might give the games better performance (since you don't have the burden of DirectX) or they won't run at all. Might be interesting to see if it works on the Adreno GPU!
it doesn't just magically convert it though, it creates a compatibility layer which doesn't really improve the performance cause of the added latency and the layer.
Unfortunately there is no Vulkan support for Windows on ARM at this time, I'm really hoping we get it but for now only DirectX is supported, and a bit of older OpenGL through a separate compatibility layer app install that Microsoft provides in the Microsoft store.
@@GhosteRUclips For a lot of stuff, it actually improves performance. Doubt it would for something like this obviously, but know stuff like the Vulkan compatibility layer for OpenGL, it improves performance a good amount for AMD GPUs, since the OpenGL implementation by AMD is garbage.
I hope game publishers see videos like this and start porting more PC/Consoles games to Android. I know most casual players will want games easily playable on touch screen, but I'm sure there's enough players that would love to play AAA games with an external controller connected to their phones/tablets.
But think about the profit of buying P2W items all the time, there's no financial incentive for porting AAA games when you can just publish shovelware instead where addicts will spend money on stupid digital cosmetics
@@docvrilliant unfortunatally you're right. I've bought the GRID Autosport on Play Store just to support the development, but I think they don't even care for the game anymore, because they are not updating the app. The "compatibility list" misses a lot of phones, even my Poco F3 with Snapdragon 870 gets a message saying it's not compatible when the game starts.
Hate to break it to you, but there’s actually just not enough players to justify porting over/making new AAA games to mobile. Not now and not in the future. You might think it’s because mobile game publishers keep pushing F2P games into the platforms, but no, it’s because mobile gamers just don’t want to spend money on paid games on mobile, they only want F2P games. It’s actually mobile game publishers keeping up with what the consumer wants.
@@NeroVingian40 it's actually a trend even for PC and console games right now, F2P/P2W low quality games will be the focus as long as people keep giving the publishers large profits. But what I talking about is to port some old titles, even if they are the same ported to Switch, whose hardware is equivalent to a current midrange smartphone.
Thank you so much for putting all your hard work into these videos especially these specific videos for the odin I just want to say you are incredible I support you one billion percent from Day1 and I can't wait to get my system I got it for Christmas so I'm just waiting for it to ship and I got the proversion with all the upgrades and the dock whenever that comes hopefully sooner than later so thank you for showing this and leaving so much to the imagination of what is possible with this device
It’s interesting to see the performance differences of the games on windows vs on the Odin launcher. I’m intrigued by what windows +dock hard drive as pick up and go pc solution?
as of now it looks like the Windows performance hit is fairly heavy. Looking forward to seeing some less intensive Linux ports, who knows, if Valve's Proton was ported over you may just have a very cheap Steam Deck contender!
Was kinda hoping for a easier transition from Android to window or even go back to Android. Like a dual boot system. I will probably just keep mine Android only.
Nice showcase Taki, are you planning to test pcsx2, dolphin and citra windows emulation performance and compare with android? Also what's the average battery life with Windows 11?
The Snapdragon 845 is able to run Windows so nicely, not so much because of it's similarities with the Snapdragon 850, but because the Snapdragon 835 mobile processor was the first to officially support Microsoft's new Windows for Arm OS & it was an unmodified chipset, the exact same used in 2017 flagship Android smartphones. The Snapdragon 820 or 821 was actually the first processor Microsoft & Qualcomm used to showcase Windows 10 on Arm, but it never made it to a retail device, whereas the Windows on the Snapdragon 835 did, in a couple of laptops, one which I had, I just can't remember the model lol.
This is correct and most forgot about it. And there was actually a batch of preview devices with 821 with WoA on them sold on ebay. And there was the beta build of Windows Mobile 10 for 821 Windows Phone devices.
Hopefully this will popularize Windows/Linux apps/game ARM support for smartphone processors just like how the Steam Deck is popularizing support for Linux.
Lol Gaben stupid dream never works, look at Steam console, it runs linux but ended up become trash products that failed so hard, steam deck is just the same trash but different form factor.
This device could be an amazing budget alternative for the steam deck. It’s not a replacement, not even close, but it looks like a good alternative for people that can’t afford the big guy.
@@ALocalClown The Deck is kinda like using a Razer laptop for me. Yeah it looks nice but it really sticks out. This is simple heck even more so than the switch.
Thanks for the showcase of Windows 11 running on the Snapdragon 845! I'm curious to see how emulation (particularly PCSX2) runs on windows. I know it'll be emulation of an emulator, but it would be interesting to see how well it performs given how well it seems to run some PC titles and especially to see how it compares to AetherSX2 on Android.
@Emu Matt I'm pretty happy with Dolphin performance on both, but my main curiosity was with PS2 emulation and how PCSX2 on ARM stacks up against AetherSX2 on Android
A bit better performance ? Short battery life and almost the size of a laptop? You are buying it because of the over blown news but game streaming is fine if you have a pc or better an xbox s or gamepass
@@shlokshah5379 well it will cause more Devs to optimise for handhelds. I am heavily considering buying the pro rn tbh. Looks soo good for a portable machine I can use
Steamdeck is x86 so games are semi-native with Wine compatibility layer. This is ARM, with budget chip, so it also needs emulation… not to mention cheaper. Unfair comparison honestly.
Thanks for this. I love all the FPS game shown running on this. Republic Commando looked like the the frame rate was not great. Oh well, still a great handheld!
Seeing Dragon's Dogma nearly run at a stable 30 really shows the potential that this has imho. Have you tried Lossless Scaling or Magpie to use FSR with the games that seem to just be just a bit away from locking 30fps?
Impressive as hell. Can't wait to see you get a lite in and test that out vs the base units (not in windows obviously, unless that also happens to have windows support which would be odd considering it's a more budget chip)
So I know the dock has a ssd slot on the back. Would it be possible to use the ssd to store my Windows OS and keep the original Android OS on the device's internal storage?
@@matejamicic3037 considering what I seen of games like oblivion and fallout new Vegas running on android on the Snapdragon I think 870 was running oblivion at 65 to 70 FPS on Android with wine the next series probably kills it
Watching this just makes me want the Steam Deck even more for its night and day performance, better controller and driver support, and Deck-In-Mind configurations. This is still really impressive for a $250 price though.
Thanks for your amazing work taki, if ayn add drivers for the IO and game pad and creat a dual boot bootloader this device will be a game changer. Can't wait to receive mine 😊
Ayn will not be releasing any windows support. All support is being done by community developers. Controller support and dual boot is currently wip atm.
Lol, this reminds of the occassional lay person on developer forums asking things like "hey guys, can you please port Call of Duty to phone thanks" or something. It was unthinkable. And now Microsoft just made a compatibility layer and....it actually works. This is absolutely nuts
So this is now a direct contender against Windows based handhelds, on the budget side. I'd love to see tests of Windows' builds of Dolphin, PCSX2, Cemu, Citra, RPCS3 and Yuzu.
This I the most amazing thing I have seen in a long while. It flips everything I previously thought about emulation and compatibility layers. Screw android, this needs to be the primary OS for odin.
All this tells me is Bathesda should make an Android port of Skyrim 🤣 a direct port, as opposed to Windows emulation, with a modern processor would handle that badboit just fine at 60fps.
The problem we have with android is no one wants anything if it ain't free or close too free for example I'm happy to pay feral interactive 13gpb for a game I have alien isolation,tropico,grid cause of them but I'm in the minority.android gamers want triple a games but won't pay so developer's see us as a waste of time.
@@sirlagzalot2815 I believe the problem would be the storage and with how they are slowly removing SD cards instead of improving on them makes games less likely to be posted on Android
I know the game is almost a decade old, but seeing a less than $300 tiny handheld run Tomb Raider (2013) at 40-50fps is insane to me. It's also a reminder of how badly the Switch needs a hardware update.
i've been in the market for some handheld pc like the aya neo or gpd win but those are so expensive. Been seeing the odin floating around social media for awhile but I thought it's just another emulator so I didn't pay any attention. Glad I clicked on your vids. Feels like this is the device I've been searching for 🤤 great work & pls keep the vids coming ❤️
@@angeluxgaminguploads5352 Yes, I knew that. What I wasn't aware of was the fact that Windows 11 has x86 emulation built into it to allow x86 software to run on ARM devices, something that always made past attempts of Windows on ARM fairly useless since you couldn't run most programs that regular Windows would run.
@@TakiUdon I believe the windows rpcsx2 emulator is better than the aethersx2 android emulator.. Might be interesting to test these 2 and compare them :d
Wow, this could be amazing for fans of visual novels. I'd really love to see a video seeing if they have compatibility issues and how well it worked as an all around VN reader.
THIS!!! I think the same, I'm a big fan of VN, jrpg and indies and this device is perfectly for me because I love handhelds devices and that games doesn't need so much power (Now i use steam link with my iphone 5s and the experience is very good, but I want something native and not streaming)
@@skurasch no... The steam deck is more powerfull, yeah, but it is so big and I can't consider it a portable device. And for the vita yes, it is the best handheld to play jrpg and VN, but sony kills it and it doesen't recive new VN (and yes, there is the switch, I have one, but play VN on a comercial console is not the best, it will always be better read VN on a PC because there isn't censorship and you can install patchs and translations of VN that are only on japanese.
Considering there is no way to control the performance on the Windows OS yet and that there was no tweaking per game involved. I am shocked at how good the performance is out of the box.
The whole thing is a giant controller lol its like people who are excited who can use ps4 controllers on a vita, why? If you can plug a fight stick THEN you have my attention, would love to play tekken or SF with them
I am really impressed considering it is hacked up support. I wonder if a boot up drive is possible. There is a RUclipsr that puts Windows on Arm on everything he cans. So, if someone knows is probably him. If that is the case, then I am buying the pro instead of the lite.
720p 30fps is steam deck territory for modern AAA games, not these older games and indies. Steam deck should run most of these games at 60 fps high settings.
@Emu Matt assuming you trust your OS and library to eMMC and SD card storage. Maybe I've been burned by too many Raspberry pi projects but I personally don't find the $399 Steam Deck option attractive at all.
It's quite annoying that Windows on ARM seems to be locked to the SD845 at the moment, because the only SD845 device I have is a Xperia XZ2 and Sony have locked it down HARD!
@Taki Udon Will you be doing a follow-up when the mentioned installer package for Win11 has been updated, or will this video be updated with links or instructions? Also, I didn't see any fighting games tested on Win11. Would love to see guilty gear, Street Fighter, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, Killer Instinct, or others. Also rendering at 480 or 540 like some Switch games in handheld mode with resolution scale increased to spell higher than 100%, or 720 with under 100% can benefit more in older games. It'd be cool if you're able to detect a webcam connected through the super dock as well.
Curious how much performance is limited by issues in the translation layer versus raw cpu/gpu perf. If the bottleneck is mainly just the soc it would be super interesting to see a handheld running a modern snapdragon or mediatek cpu. Especially if we see more windows arm support now the snapdragon exclusivity deal is ending.
Once the gamepad is fully supported and working, that's when I'll be considering placing Windows 11 on my Odin. However, this is still very impressive to see running like this.
Agreed. Hopefully we'll even get to see some optimized versions of either Windows or Android in the future as well. Not sure about Linux since I know nothing about it but I wonder if that might be better for this.
How much of a performance impact do you think Windows is making? I'd honestly like to see the Odin Pro with the OS of the Steamdeck (which is going to be open source?)
From what I gathered from this video it seems you have to choose to either run Android or replace the OS with Windows. That's definitely a bummer since I feel emulation would be better under Android. Is there a way to run both OS's? That's the real question. I don't want to have to choose one or the other.
![The new KING of Emulation [AYN Odin]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qOE76NBOTCw/mqdefault.jpg)
Note: The boot timer @3:05 is running fast. The real boot time should be around 30s. There were a lot of bigger games that I did not bother installing because they would have destroyed my internal storage. Now that I am done filming this video, I am working my way through those titles.
Extended plays from this video and any other games that run well will be uploaded to the second channel for those that want to see more footage.
What about running Windows 7?
@@NanamiSakora no way to get windows 7 running on arm natively
Can you do emulation like PCSX2 and Cemu?
G3x in this is the real wait game...
Bro do switch or cemu emulation.
That's extremely impressive, not just for the price but also because it's an ARM device. It can legitimately be considered a cheaper alternative to the Steam Deck for PC gaming, especially if Microsoft ever further optimizes their x86 to ARM translation layer.
Exactly, its even crazier because its an 845. Imagine if they got this running on a handheld with an 888 and proper cooling for the 888, maybe even allowing for overclock. The only thing is that they apparently still need to make it support the built in controls or is that because taki needed to film it? Can't really be real windows handheld without built in controls.
I mean... Half of the steam decks price for roughly a 6th of the performance? Even on native arm games. Fewer input methods and a bog standard desktop os on it?
how much does it cost exactly?
I would not bother with any ARM device with running Windows with x86 or x64 emulation in mind.
Just get 400 USD Steam Deck and pop in bigger SSD/SD Card. 300USD Odin Pro is decimated by Steam Deck, it's not wise to flex with Windows on ARM and far less performance.
@@maciejgada740 where do u get one tho. Its not like u can just order the deck and they don't even ship to most countries
Pc drivers on snapdragon should be a standard. This is incredible.
@null null compared to the 400 dollar steam deck its not very impressive
@@skurasch who really isn't in need to double that to the $600 model for the HDD space, tho? Its $600
@@JoeyBag-O-Doughnuts SSD not HDD. BTW, you can always buy an additional larger capacity NVMe drive or a karger eMMC microSD and install that on the $400 base Steam Deck. It works out being cheaper, than opting to buy the mid or high end model. It's only $20-25 for 128GB, ~$40 for 256GB and ~$80 for 1TB of either storage. Bear in mind, the base Odin also only has 64GB and the Pro has just 128GB (and that costs nearly $300)
Plus, with the Steam Deck you'll be able to not only play any modern AAA PC game at 800p 30-60fps, but will also gain the ability to emulate the Wii U, Switch, Android (with higher performance), along with emulating the Wii & 3DS, without getting sound & graphical stutters.
Like he said, the Steam Deck is far more impressive, than the Odin.
@@fafski1199 yeah and its 2.5x the size of odin...
@@skurasch It is when you consider the size difference. It'd be awesome to see how this evolves with SD888 and proper cooling. Imagine playing Metal Gear Solid V on something this small. I think the Steam Deck looks amazing and want one myself but I still long for something much smaller. My ideal setup would be a note sized phone with a controller and the capacity to play DMC5. I think it's possible with proper optimization. Projects like this are amazing as they show the amazing hardware in phones today is purposefully limited by mediocre software.
Now just imagine what a current gen flagship Qualcomm or mediatek chip could do in a device like this with active cooling.
@Emu Matt cyberpunk my ass bro, RDR2 on arm
Dimensity 9000 would be best or actually the MediaTek Kompanio 1300T or 1380T would be killer
@Emu Matt ok
there always has to be the one who is not satisfied with anything
@@franciscobutte more like excited about the potential
This is INCREDIBLE
Yup a good way to try this I get a usb c phone and buy a gamesire X2 or razer kishi and it's pretty much this experience and download moonlight
Since Linux support is a work in progress, I would be interested to see SteamOS3 on this thing. Either way im glad I have this thing. It really is a good device.
I am thinking the same, Windows is a bit** to run, a Linux-based system will be much more streamlined, and performance will be better, but probably more finicky to install, hope Steam will make the process nice and easy. If that's the case, could be a game changer to these handheld Pc's.
windows has way too much overhead
Not sure if Linux/Steam OS has x86 to ARM emulation baked in. If it had Valve would probably base Steam Deck on ARM. But not sure. Maybe they are working on it and Steam Deck 2 will be ARM.. Hard to tell
@@Vrtel__ I don't think it does :(, but u never know with Valve, these guys predicted what Microsoft would be doing and staked their reputation to develop Proton and linux gaming
@@bulletpunch9317 I think ARM was meant for portable usage. It can maintain great battery life with great performance. Imho ARM is better option for all kinds of portable devices. Only disadvantage right now is lack of software support in desktop operating system s. But I'm no expert just a tech enthusiast so I might be completely wrong.
This video really shows how much power these modern mobile SoCs actually have and how little of it we actually use with mobile games/how much more could be done.
Yes what dragging these mobile SoC down is battery life.
@@ST-nm1hp the mobile socs are known for power efficiency, i don't think battery life is a problem..
@@audam-san7707 go look at gen 1 chips lol they eat energy and get red hot
@@shlokshah5379 go look at proper designed soc such as a15, they eat 4w on average and still offer better performance than the 10w 8gen1
@@audam-san7707 they do that cause apple has a small amount of chips and devices, its really really easy to optimize the os, games, apps and drivers for those, otherwise their chip isn't anything special.
ME2 at over 30 frames... that's pretty impressive.
this device is becoming better looking by the minute, compared to the other devices like it.
Thanks for all of your time on this Taki. I finally pulled the trigger on an Odin Pro and am looking forward to gaming with it.
how much is it??
idk maybe 300 but you can always buy an odin lite or regular odin
10 years ago people would have killed for a ps3 portable and now we can play those games on 8W power draw basically everywhere with incredible battery life...
I mean, it jumps to 14watts and then to even 45 just a bit, active cooling is needed, but of course, not nearly as much as laptops, also, I don't think the battery will be that good... Games that use 10watts+ will make you have about 4 hours of battery or less... (Depending on how much it maintain on a certain wattage).
Of course, with better chips this might get fixed, in a couple of years you could even play those games at medium~high settings.
Not just the power of ARM but the power of emulation!
Wait what r u talking about. Ps3 emulation on a handheld is still not optimal even at 30W in windows handhelds you cant play ps3 games on this. Do u mean paw?
@@RandomUser-tj3mg watch the video... He's emulating ps3
@@kayburcky7146 Where? He shows only windows games
@@kayburcky7146 no PS3 emulation in this video
I think Im honestly most impressed by Tomb Raiders performance on this device. Thats crazy how well some of these games run. They upgrade the specs on this in a future version and this would be a huge steam deck competitor at a way better price.
Great video, keep 'em coming!
One suggestion, in case you make more videos showcasing W11 on the Odin: Try using DXVK on some games. DXVK converts the DirectX renderer to Vulkan. It might give the games better performance (since you don't have the burden of DirectX) or they won't run at all. Might be interesting to see if it works on the Adreno GPU!
it doesn't just magically convert it though, it creates a compatibility layer which doesn't really improve the performance cause of the added latency and the layer.
Unfortunately there is no Vulkan support for Windows on ARM at this time, I'm really hoping we get it but for now only DirectX is supported, and a bit of older OpenGL through a separate compatibility layer app install that Microsoft provides in the Microsoft store.
@@GhosteRUclips For a lot of stuff, it actually improves performance. Doubt it would for something like this obviously, but know stuff like the Vulkan compatibility layer for OpenGL, it improves performance a good amount for AMD GPUs, since the OpenGL implementation by AMD is garbage.
@@nathansstuff1547 it mostly just removes stuttering but in some rare cases it does improve the fps, yes.
I hope game publishers see videos like this and start porting more PC/Consoles games to Android. I know most casual players will want games easily playable on touch screen, but I'm sure there's enough players that would love to play AAA games with an external controller connected to their phones/tablets.
💯 we don't need any new games but games from 2014 and before would be amazing on android
But think about the profit of buying P2W items all the time, there's no financial incentive for porting AAA games when you can just publish shovelware instead where addicts will spend money on stupid digital cosmetics
@@docvrilliant unfortunatally you're right. I've bought the GRID Autosport on Play Store just to support the development, but I think they don't even care for the game anymore, because they are not updating the app. The "compatibility list" misses a lot of phones, even my Poco F3 with Snapdragon 870 gets a message saying it's not compatible when the game starts.
Hate to break it to you, but there’s actually just not enough players to justify porting over/making new AAA games to mobile. Not now and not in the future. You might think it’s because mobile game publishers keep pushing F2P games into the platforms, but no, it’s because mobile gamers just don’t want to spend money on paid games on mobile, they only want F2P games. It’s actually mobile game publishers keeping up with what the consumer wants.
@@NeroVingian40 it's actually a trend even for PC and console games right now, F2P/P2W low quality games will be the focus as long as people keep giving the publishers large profits. But what I talking about is to port some old titles, even if they are the same ported to Switch, whose hardware is equivalent to a current midrange smartphone.
This thing with windows is honestly amazing.
The fact that graphically impressive Windows games are able to run so efficiently on that hardware only proves just how shit Android games really are.
Thank you so much for putting all your hard work into these videos especially these specific videos for the odin I just want to say you are incredible I support you one billion percent from Day1 and I can't wait to get my system I got it for Christmas so I'm just waiting for it to ship and I got the proversion with all the upgrades and the dock whenever that comes hopefully sooner than later so thank you for showing this and leaving so much to the imagination of what is possible with this device
It’s interesting to see the performance differences of the games on windows vs on the Odin launcher. I’m intrigued by what windows +dock hard drive as pick up and go pc solution?
😯 😮 🤩 can’t wait for my odin pro…
as of now it looks like the Windows performance hit is fairly heavy. Looking forward to seeing some less intensive Linux ports, who knows, if Valve's Proton was ported over you may just have a very cheap Steam Deck contender!
Thanks for making this video was waiting for steam gaming showcase.
Was kinda hoping for a easier transition from Android to window or even go back to Android. Like a dual boot system. I will probably just keep mine Android only.
I am a long time tomb raider fan and see it running well makes me happy. This console really is a game changer.
What a beast! I'd really like to use the Odin as a portable Plattform for Fightcade.
Thank you for your showcase Taki.👍
Nice showcase Taki, are you planning to test pcsx2, dolphin and citra windows emulation performance and compare with android? Also what's the average battery life with Windows 11?
Taki, thanks for posting and putting in the work!
The Snapdragon 845 is able to run Windows so nicely, not so much because of it's similarities with the Snapdragon 850, but because the Snapdragon 835 mobile processor was the first to officially support Microsoft's new Windows for Arm OS & it was an unmodified chipset, the exact same used in 2017 flagship Android smartphones. The Snapdragon 820 or 821 was actually the first processor Microsoft & Qualcomm used to showcase Windows 10 on Arm, but it never made it to a retail device, whereas the Windows on the Snapdragon 835 did, in a couple of laptops, one which I had, I just can't remember the model lol.
This is correct and most forgot about it. And there was actually a batch of preview devices with 821 with WoA on them sold on ebay. And there was the beta build of Windows Mobile 10 for 821 Windows Phone devices.
Cheers Taki, intriguing and impressive extra bonus.
Hopefully this will popularize Windows/Linux apps/game ARM support for smartphone processors just like how the Steam Deck is popularizing support for Linux.
This prabably won't, but the Razer with the x3 snapdragon cpu will.
Lol Gaben stupid dream never works, look at Steam console, it runs linux but ended up become trash products that failed so hard, steam deck is just the same trash but different form factor.
wow i am speechless right now thanks TAKI wonderful job i appreciate your time can't wait for new odin updates 💪😎
This device could be an amazing budget alternative for the steam deck. It’s not a replacement, not even close, but it looks like a good alternative for people that can’t afford the big guy.
Or people who want a system that's not so offensive to the eyes.
@@ALocalClown the steam deck looks 2x better than the odin
@@PrincessMomo spec-wise, no comparison. Deck leaves Odin in the dust. Aesthetically I don't want to hold the Deck at any point in my life.
@@ALocalClown The Deck is kinda like using a Razer laptop for me.
Yeah it looks nice but it really sticks out.
This is simple heck even more so than the switch.
Yeah but I’m also looking into getting this for emulation, all the way up to ps2! Can you do that on the steam deck?
This is amazing 🔥 can't wait for even more such optimization that may come in future to such arm based windows handhelds 🔥
Thanks for the showcase of Windows 11 running on the Snapdragon 845! I'm curious to see how emulation (particularly PCSX2) runs on windows. I know it'll be emulation of an emulator, but it would be interesting to see how well it performs given how well it seems to run some PC titles and especially to see how it compares to AetherSX2 on Android.
@Emu Matt where can you find that?
@@bri1085 play store?
@Emu Matt I'm pretty happy with Dolphin performance on both, but my main curiosity was with PS2 emulation and how PCSX2 on ARM stacks up against AetherSX2 on Android
Jaw dropping results
Seeing this makes me that much more excited for SteamDeck and the possibility that will bring to the table.
A bit better performance ? Short battery life and almost the size of a laptop? You are buying it because of the over blown news but game streaming is fine if you have a pc or better an xbox s or gamepass
@@shlokshah5379 well it will cause more Devs to optimise for handhelds. I am heavily considering buying the pro rn tbh. Looks soo good for a portable machine I can use
@@KAIZENURAMESHI yeah if you drop the Steam Deck over the Odin it would destroy it with how heavy that thing is lmao
Steamdeck is x86 so games are semi-native with Wine compatibility layer.
This is ARM, with budget chip, so it also needs emulation… not to mention cheaper.
Unfair comparison honestly.
@@KAIZENURAMESHI you must be fun at parties
Thanks for this. I love all the FPS game shown running on this. Republic Commando looked like the the frame rate was not great. Oh well, still a great handheld!
Seeing Dragon's Dogma nearly run at a stable 30 really shows the potential that this has imho.
Have you tried Lossless Scaling or Magpie to use FSR with the games that seem to just be just a bit away from locking 30fps?
WOW! Exceeded my expectations.
Taki, can the base version of Odin even dream of coming close to this kind of performance with just 4gb of ram?
My 1200$ laptop couldn't play Skyrim when it came out. Absolutely blows my mind that a sub 300$ device today can.
This is very cool!! Would love to see it running some more demanding games like tales of arise and kingdom hearts III
not long till we have truely incredible portable devices, smartphone and chip technology is getting crazy
Impressive as hell. Can't wait to see you get a lite in and test that out vs the base units (not in windows obviously, unless that also happens to have windows support which would be odd considering it's a more budget chip)
As he said on the video, windows only support snapdragon 845 and 850
I didn't see anyone asking about Crysis. You attract the right kind of audience. Good demo.
So I know the dock has a ssd slot on the back. Would it be possible to use the ssd to store my Windows OS and keep the original Android OS on the device's internal storage?
This Impressive seeing a snapdragon running windows as well as steam on a arm based device I hope we see a push for this for laptops as well.
The arm chips are much low in power to x86 APUs. Imagine if a 1000$ laptop is not enough to play many games from 2016.
>Be Taki
>Have two Odin Pros
one of the most impressive video i have seen. Incredible!!!!
Pretty amazing to see how a older Snapdragon can run pc games would love to see what the latest one could pull off
yea imagine what kind of performance a snapdragon 8th gen 2 would pull off it could maybe even play gta 5
@@matejamicic3037 considering what I seen of games like oblivion and fallout new Vegas running on android on the Snapdragon I think 870 was running oblivion at 65 to 70 FPS on Android with wine the next series probably kills it
Awesome video as always and I can’t wait to get my Odin but I picked clear purple so I’m still waiting for it …
It would be interesting to see yuzu or cemu running in windows on this device 🤔
I didn't realize the windows on Windows emulation was so damn good especially for gaming
Watching this just makes me want the Steam Deck even more for its night and day performance, better controller and driver support, and Deck-In-Mind configurations. This is still really impressive for a $250 price though.
Agreed. This is a nice machine but I think waiting for the Steam Deck is the smartest move.
Thx for the video dude!
Thanks for your amazing work taki, if ayn add drivers for the IO and game pad and creat a dual boot bootloader this device will be a game changer. Can't wait to receive mine 😊
Ayn will not be releasing any windows support. All support is being done by community developers. Controller support and dual boot is currently wip atm.
Is there a community web site yet?
@@chrismargach information is all on Taki’s discord
@@capitan2588 thanks
Lol, this reminds of the occassional lay person on developer forums asking things like "hey guys, can you please port Call of Duty to phone thanks" or something. It was unthinkable. And now Microsoft just made a compatibility layer and....it actually works. This is absolutely nuts
Taki it would be great if one day you could compare performance of running these games on windows versus using exagear on the android side.
So this is now a direct contender against Windows based handhelds, on the budget side.
I'd love to see tests of Windows' builds of Dolphin, PCSX2, Cemu, Citra, RPCS3 and Yuzu.
This I the most amazing thing I have seen in a long while. It flips everything I previously thought about emulation and compatibility layers. Screw android, this needs to be the primary OS for odin.
Taki, Youre a genius !
All this tells me is Bathesda should make an Android port of Skyrim 🤣 a direct port, as opposed to Windows emulation, with a modern processor would handle that badboit just fine at 60fps.
Yes, my thoughts exactly.
I'm happy I wasn't the only one thinking about this XD.
Maybe when Microsoft try to put gamepass on Android (with some native games and cloud base).
I really do hope they port Skyrim to Android, it's like the only device it haven't been ported to. That and iOS
The problem we have with android is no one wants anything if it ain't free or close too free for example I'm happy to pay feral interactive 13gpb for a game I have alien isolation,tropico,grid cause of them but I'm in the minority.android gamers want triple a games but won't pay so developer's see us as a waste of time.
@@sirlagzalot2815 I believe the problem would be the storage and with how they are slowly removing SD cards instead of improving on them makes games less likely to be posted on Android
I know the game is almost a decade old, but seeing a less than $300 tiny handheld run Tomb Raider (2013) at 40-50fps is insane to me. It's also a reminder of how badly the Switch needs a hardware update.
Looks impressive. I've got a feeling that this device would replace a Nintendo Switch easily!
Replace Nah, The next Odin Yes and If The Windows is easy to install Hell Yes
i've been in the market for some handheld pc like the aya neo or gpd win but those are so expensive. Been seeing the odin floating around social media for awhile but I thought it's just another emulator so I didn't pay any attention. Glad I clicked on your vids. Feels like this is the device I've been searching for 🤤 great work & pls keep the vids coming ❤️
Oh wow I didn't know Win 11 had X86(64) emulation for arm devices. That's pretty cool.
Been that way for a while now
Windows has windows arm for a while. Microsoft sells the Surface pro which uses a snapdragon cpu and runs windows 10 or 11.
@@angeluxgaminguploads5352 Yes, I knew that. What I wasn't aware of was the fact that Windows 11 has x86 emulation built into it to allow x86 software to run on ARM devices, something that always made past attempts of Windows on ARM fairly useless since you couldn't run most programs that regular Windows would run.
@@Fina1Ragnarok oh, I see. Yes, it does. Recently they added 64bit x86 programs support.
oh man!! I was really hoping the controller works. anyway can wait until someone figure this to make it work. I'll buy it in a heart beat.
I LOVE IT. Also, here comes the question. Which is better, emulators running on android or on windows?
Can't comment on PS2, but GameCube is better on Windows if you are using the official Dolphin build.
@@TakiUdon could u pls do a video testing emualtors? Also, with FSR?
@@TakiUdon which emulators have native arm support in Windows?
@@TakiUdon I believe the windows rpcsx2 emulator is better than the aethersx2 android emulator.. Might be interesting to test these 2 and compare them :d
This is a great achievement it's going to change the mobile gaming forever
Wow, this could be amazing for fans of visual novels. I'd really love to see a video seeing if they have compatibility issues and how well it worked as an all around VN reader.
Just get a steam deck for that. Or if you want something tiny get a vita.
@@skurasch Yeah vita is the best for vn's and Jrpgs pretty much
THIS!!! I think the same, I'm a big fan of VN, jrpg and indies and this device is perfectly for me because I love handhelds devices and that games doesn't need so much power (Now i use steam link with my iphone 5s and the experience is very good, but I want something native and not streaming)
@@skurasch no... The steam deck is more powerfull, yeah, but it is so big and I can't consider it a portable device. And for the vita yes, it is the best handheld to play jrpg and VN, but sony kills it and it doesen't recive new VN (and yes, there is the switch, I have one, but play VN on a comercial console is not the best, it will always be better read VN on a PC because there isn't censorship and you can install patchs and translations of VN that are only on japanese.
A dual boot update is coming that let's you choose android or Windows when booting up...
I really like the odin logo with Norse mythology odin having the eyepatch.
Ok, I be the crazy one asking for it but... RPCS3, CEMU and Yuzu running on the Odin pro when?, Please!
They can boot, but they can't run games. They would need DX12 support for Odin to use them.
@@TakiUdon Oh... Even with the x64 emulator?, Sad times then :'/.
@Emu Matt Technically speaking it should work for the three emulators since all have Vulkan apis for games.
Handheld gaming will be awesome for this year and upcoming future
Okay, now I am convinced we safely can switch to ARM for gaming under Windows in the future.
This is just beginning
Nothing short of fucking amazing 💗
Wutt. This phone class handheld get more fps in Skyrim than my laptop?
I'm so sorry
Rip your pc
Solidarity. This was my case as well before I got a good deal on a dell precision .
That was impressive! I would have never thought the odin would be able to run a lot of those games, great video!
once more this kinda proofs how incredibly inefficient x86 cpus are....
wdym like modern intel + amd processors?
Considering there is no way to control the performance on the Windows OS yet and that there was no tweaking per game involved. I am shocked at how good the performance is out of the box.
But can it run crysis?
Yes, but my license is locked from installing it too many times, so I didn't get to film it.
Probably not
its in the video....
@@TakiUdon Thanks for all the effort you put into this video
Hope we get the controller working properly eventually, but where we are already is super impressive too.
The whole thing is a giant controller lol its like people who are excited who can use ps4 controllers on a vita, why? If you can plug a fight stick THEN you have my attention, would love to play tekken or SF with them
Runs like garbage, as expected
We have different definitions of garbage.
It is running that gives us hope
@@techtalkswithgautham5200 its just hope. Not for this hardware.
Id say looking at it for what it is .. its actually very impressive! I mean ok its not a handheld PC but was never meant to be.
Lol don't buy it then. Nobody is forcing you
ARM processors have come a long way!!! Gaming Natively on ARM processors is now possible as long as you have the Drivers!
I am really impressed considering it is hacked up support. I wonder if a boot up drive is possible. There is a RUclipsr that puts Windows on Arm on everything he cans. So, if someone knows is probably him. If that is the case, then I am buying the pro instead of the lite.
Crazy to see the performance on some of these for a mobile chip. 720p 30fps is Steam Deck territory for half the price.
@Emu Matt in the US the mid and high end Deck are $529 and $649 Vs. $289 for an Odin pro. Pretty dang close.
720p 30fps is steam deck territory for modern AAA games, not these older games and indies. Steam deck should run most of these games at 60 fps high settings.
@Emu Matt assuming you trust your OS and library to eMMC and SD card storage. Maybe I've been burned by too many Raspberry pi projects but I personally don't find the $399 Steam Deck option attractive at all.
So many games I wanna see, makes me wanna purchase one and test it!
Thanks for share !
It's quite annoying that Windows on ARM seems to be locked to the SD845 at the moment, because the only SD845 device I have is a Xperia XZ2 and Sony have locked it down HARD!
4:15 i love fable, one of my favorite games of all time
I've been looking for something like this for while.
@Taki Udon Will you be doing a follow-up when the mentioned installer package for Win11 has been updated, or will this video be updated with links or instructions? Also, I didn't see any fighting games tested on Win11. Would love to see guilty gear, Street Fighter, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, Killer Instinct, or others. Also rendering at 480 or 540 like some Switch games in handheld mode with resolution scale increased to spell higher than 100%, or 720 with under 100% can benefit more in older games. It'd be cool if you're able to detect a webcam connected through the super dock as well.
Curious how much performance is limited by issues in the translation layer versus raw cpu/gpu perf. If the bottleneck is mainly just the soc it would be super interesting to see a handheld running a modern snapdragon or mediatek cpu. Especially if we see more windows arm support now the snapdragon exclusivity deal is ending.
@Emu Matt gpus dont need translation layer its only for cpu. Looking at this its not even near vega 8 levels ;].
@TakiUdon What version of Emuelec are you using on your Odin? I would like to install it on my microSD, Thanks!
Man the Odin is looking to be a better deal than the Steam Deck. If HDMI is fixed soon I'm honestly going to be turn between the two.
It has enough power for ps3, Xbox 360 generation PC games, old pc games, and indie games with windows 11.
Once the gamepad is fully supported and working, that's when I'll be considering placing Windows 11 on my Odin. However, this is still very impressive to see running like this.
Agreed. Hopefully we'll even get to see some optimized versions of either Windows or Android in the future as well. Not sure about Linux since I know nothing about it but I wonder if that might be better for this.
You can install now and wait for updated drivers
@@irshadsayyad9017 I don't think you can dualboot Aya's Android front end and Win11 together yet.
So happy you tried Terraria. A shame it doesn't work well, I wanted mods so badly. :(
How much of a performance impact do you think Windows is making? I'd honestly like to see the Odin Pro with the OS of the Steamdeck (which is going to be open source?)
this is cursed beyond belief, and i love it.
Is there a version of RPCS2 for ARM? Would be interesting to see if this can emulate any PS3 games.
From what I gathered from this video it seems you have to choose to either run Android or replace the OS with Windows. That's definitely a bummer since I feel emulation would be better under Android. Is there a way to run both OS's? That's the real question. I don't want to have to choose one or the other.
Incredible!
Taki sir, would dual boot be possible in the future?