Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret Stock vs. Red Version
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For some time now, the Dirty Little Secret MKIII has been helping players add vintage British amp tones to any rig. Known as a foundation overdrive, this handmade pedal from Portland, OR offers a Marshall-style preamp and tone stack using FETs in place of tubes. The new DLS Red, like many 70s Marshalls, has taken a trip to the amp doc with carefully tuned mods to increases string definition, tighten up the low-mids and extend sweet spots across the gain range. Like the original DLS, you can select 9-18V for even more headroom and re-voice the EQ and gain structure via the Super Lead/ Super Bass modes and match it all to your amp with an internal Presence control.
DLS Red Mod Quick Demo here: • Catalinbread - Dirty L...
Gear Used:
Amp: Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue
Guitars: Reverend Club King 290, Gibson Custom CME Les Paul, G&L Legacy
Pedals: Catalinbread DLS Red and Stock MKIII, Belle Epoch Deluxe
Recording Gear: Universal Audio Apollo 8 QUAD, OX Amp Top Box, Royer R-121
Aside from the tweaks in the latest version, they should have placed the SL/SB switch and presence trimpot outside.
I love that you did this. Thanks. I feel like the changes make it less of an “always on/foundation” thing and more like a high gain amp channel. I’ve got the silver one and it appears that’s the one I want.
I tuned in to hear the comparison, but the Custom Shop LP captivated me! Great top and color. I prefer the original DLS. It's sounds more like what I expect a real Marshall SL to sound like.
Coming back to this…it looks like on the red they took out a lot of bass. That was a complaint I saw online awhile back on forums. To me that’s its secret weapon on the grey one. If you have Fender or chimey amp, crank the mids, bass over what the Fender is set to and highs down a bit…it sounds like a different amp!
The Red one sounds like a profile of the old pedal, but less bass and more TubeScreamer like the more gain you dial in.
Red for metal amps I’d think. And Grey for smaller Fender cabs, that need that bass boost. Vs the scooped lows and upper mids.
Agreed. I got the grey one for my Vox AC30 for just that reason.
@@Yountica yep… that bass is great and I treat it like another amp channel. That way I can set a great classic tone with normal EQ. Then the EQ on the DLS kicks in like I switched to another amp vs a pedal sound. Some complain, because they expected an OCD style pedal. But it can make a 1x12 or 2x12 sound like a big bassy Marshall switchover. Love that! I don’t want my EQ to stay the same on those types of pedals. Idea is to make the listener think it’s a completely different amp.
I use mine to mimic a Big Marshall, or Ampeg VT40 vs hauling an extra amp out. It’s one of the only marshals style pedals I tested that did the low chunky thing very well! I just knock down the treble a good bit on a fender or Vox on the pedal. Crank that mid and bass!
As a proud owner of a DLS Mark III, I’ve been stacking it with the TC electronic dark matter distortion, mojo mojo overdrive, and spark booster for several years. Andy Martin himself was the reason for me to get one when he was still with Proguitarshop, and I will admit when Howard was still in the company. I remember hearing when I think Catalinbread’s owner Nicolas tragically died along with Proguitarshop’s Aaron Miller. I’ve checked out from the guitar world largely by the time I’m guessing the Lawsuit happened as the comments described.
Regarding the pedals’ differences, Andy once again, makes me want to buy the red version because he demos it so well. The main difference I will simply say is this: the original sounds just like mine in super lead mode which I typically use and is basically the classic 70s Marshall sound with 800-ish max gain. The red version is a JCM 800 taking the same gain structure and design of the original, with the tighter low-end, and clearer, crunchy mid range of a JCM 800.
This is one of the few pedals that I plugged into at a guitar store and was blown away with straight out of the gate. Exactly what I was looking for at the time. ...I probably should buy one.
@Chris E. LOL! I didn't buy it; I found an Angry Charlie used at a good price and bought that.
@Chris E. lol
The Red in Super Bass mode for me.. damn. Great demo Andy as always!!
Les Paul Super Lead Mode Comparison-3:00-4:31
G&L Legacy Red Super Bass Mode Demo-4:42-5:50
G&L Super Bass Comparison- 5:51-7:05
UFO! Hell yes!
I use my original DLS with a Tone King Imperial and I've always had a little to much bass, having to keep bass control pretty much on zero. Sounds like CATALINBREAD knows this.
This is how you set Marshall’s and fender amps generally too
Treble and mid on 4-7
And bass under 3
Turn the volume up if you want oomph
This is how you set Marshall’s and fender amps generally too
Treble and mid on 4-7
And bass under 3
Turn the volume up if you want oomph
I have a the same amp and been looking for a pedal like this to go on the clean channel that works well…this one has been highly recommended for working with the amp. But the base MK3 seems closer to what would work. The red one sounds more shrill and we know to not do that lol. The Imperial has a lot of bass already. I run it at 5 with treble at 3-4 for most. But with this would have to roll back on pedal or do a louder volume on amps which I keep bass at 3.
holy crap, great playing! also i really dig that ibanez artist!!
I prefer the silver DLS for the sweeter, fuller tone, less high end bite. Great playing as always Andy.
Glad to see Andy still does review on Catalinbread's pedal lineup. Watching your demos since PGS way back 2015!
Looking forward to some KittyCaster designs in the future!
I think the original Super Lead mode sounds better, but wow the Red's Super Bass mode sounds incredible.
SirMik003 Yeah, If I had both, I’d use the Red in SB for single coils and Stock in SL mode.
I liked the mk3 over the Red version here :-0
Your tone on the intro was pretty perfect. Nice work Catlinbread! Love those DLS pedals.
Don't know which one i like more. lol both are great in their own way.
I just ordered the catalinbread dirty little secret foundation overdrive pedal in silver from Sweetwater gear . Can't wait to use it on Les Paul . 🤘🎸🎵🎶🎶🎶 Thanks TroyFrost / Troyster 😎 CoolRiffs😎 Cool🎸 🤘🤘 🤘
Best demo player in the game!
Currently running the silver as a base for two (yes two) EQD Plumes.... Gain stack heaven... Any way, the Red sounds more transparent, but who wants a transparent Marshall JTM. I want dirty chewiness, not sparkly chime...
I run two Plumes as well. They are fantastic pedals. I liked all of the different settings so much I had to get two.
I think I’m digging Howard’s original design. It’s my favorite distortion pedal I’ve ever owned. If it’s not broke don’t fix it. I own the DLS, Belle Epoch, Tailsman, ROH & Silicon Karma Suture. Makes me think I should get some of the their other pedals that are on my list before those get changed an modded. With that said Andy your demo videos are always fantastic. I check your pedal demos before I buy anything
How do you like the R.O.H. and one that I'm very interested in is the Silicon Karma Sutra ?
Het yourself a katzenkönig! Awesome pedal for stacking!
Silver: Super Lead
Red: Super Bass
I have both, and I’d agree. SB setting on the original is very loose in the low end, but I really appreciate how it’s more “amp-like” in the SL setting. Both stack with OD and fuzz really well.
Put out an album Andy. That into song is so good
I know. This guy is just gifted
Nice as that custom shop Les Paul is, I really miss the desert burst Trad, that was one of Andy's signatures!
I think I preferred the red version here, works well with the mid-scooped blackface clean although the stock version had some nice fuzz to it.
My DLS III never matched the sounds I heard in demos. It was way more compressed and artificial sounding than the demos.
More compressed than RUclips demos? Weird.
I’ve never had that issue, and no Fuzz or OD pedal sounds the same as on RUclips to my ears.
Andy gets them close, but that Ox Box and Apollo change things some too.
It’s because of the signal chain. You have to remember, Andy is playing guitar->pedal->amp->speaker->mic->mic preamp->audio interface, etc. These and some other factors can all change the sound to make it different than just listening to your amp with your ears.
What amp and guitar are you using?
@@lunchpin403 at that time I was using a Gibson Mercury and Randall modular
@@derekdfarrington11 yeah but most people play through an amp into a room.
gosh i can't wait to buy my Reverend Club king
Fab demo thanks! Great to here some UFO/Schenker in there! ❤ I also love the Ibanez Artist. I'm guessing 2619 from the late 70s? I have one! Great guitars!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! You guessed it, 2619 from '78. I don't have that one anymore but plenty of vintage MIJ guitars here - love em!
@@AndyDemos Good man! It was a cut above the usual standard of YT demos and very much appreciated.
(I'm thinking of starting a YT channel featuring Japanese guitars from that period: Aria PE series, Washburns, Westones, the criminally under-rated Yamaha SF series, et al.)
I liked this pedal, but I like the PAL 959 better for recreating plexi tones. 959 into a superbass gives room-quiet distortion and sounds awesome
I liked the Red a bit better, but Marshall isn't really in my wheelhouse so I'm not the target audience for this pedal. My next Catalinbread Foundation Overdrive purchase is gonna be the Formula 55!
HOW DID THAT GO? F55
The red sounds a little less compressed and not as muddy, that's why I got rid of my mk3
Andy! Please make your intro demo tracks available to listen/buy/download! I would pay money to have these tracks to jam out to in my car!
I hope your cold gets better.
I like the original better. I think Howard got it right the first time around.
Whoa...check out the old Ibanez Artist!
Damn it Andy! You always sell me on a Catalinbread pedal! LMAO!
The original had more of a classic rock vibe like I would expect to hear on a 70s rock album. The MK3 sounded well, chimey and modern. More Hifi on the MK3.
I bought the red one a bit ago having no idea that it was a "mod" of the original--just thought it was a special edition color or something. I think the original sounds good too. Maybe I'll snag it and run one as a super bass and the other as super lead. Maybe not. Who cares!!!
Good idea, both have some great Super Lead and Super Bass offerings. Thanks for watching!
I still prefer the original
Is the intro song an Andy Original? Sounds nice 🙂
Edit: Red Super Lead is good 👍
Gobi Pup Yes, thank you!
@@AndyDemos Can you release an album already?
Very nice tune
AndyDemos That is a great tune!
Intro sounded great 👏
Sounds like Andy has a cold. 🤒
....and still suiting up, & showing up.
Or a fondness of coke... ;)
They both sound great to me. The original more British, the Red more American, with more bite.
I wonder how far you can get with a compressor, eq and maybe a booster and a Dirty Little Secret to get close to the red version...
It doesn’t matter, the owner of Catalinbread has turned me off from anything new they release.
I like my MkIII just fine. The red just sounds a bit less bassy, when they are dialed exactly the same, and a hair more gain.(again, when they were dialed the same) There wasn’t enough difference to justify buying it.
I use mine with other pedals, Fuzz Face, Pharaoh, Colorsound, Pale Horse, and it adds that little something, whether a bit more presence, more volume without more gain, or just better clarity and definition.
What happened with the owner?
@@elliotvernon7971 yeah I read up on it, the whole situation is just saddening. Reminds me of how zappa’s estate and all the stuff that happened once his wife gained control.
Huh?
Hey Andy, hope you get this comment, so apologies if i paste it into several video.
Huge fan of your work for the past 6 years, your playing and song choice has aided me on pedal purchase.
Now I'm at a new dilemma and i was wondering if you could help by one of your awesome demos, I need to decide Between the DLS Red and the Friedman OD-Deluxe :), Im unable to get either of those in my local music store, there for I'll have to place an order with whomever has the stock available.
Thank you so much in advance, as so you know, people love when you play QOTSA hahah
much love,
WIth this amp and settings the stock sounds much better than the orange, but I am not sure it would be the same plugged in other amps or direct to desk.
If I could have anyones guitar talent overnight, it would be either Andy... or Andy James. I guess some of the best players are named Andy.
Don’t forget Andy Wood!! Killer player!!
The Original's Super Bass mode is much more like Hendrix 1967-68 than is the red version. I realize now how much more of a total secret weapon the Dirty Little Secret can be at a session. Instant Super Bass... and convincingly so.
Damnit Andy why didn't ya play em both at the same time!
@AndyDemos, What song were you jamming in the vid intro? Really liked it.
I like chime, but it sounds like the Red just has *a lot* less bass. I can't believe the bass is up all the way at 4:05 and there are almost no lows. I prefer to have a full frequency eq on tap and I can reduce certain frequencies as I choose. Edit: Watching further I see the Red sounds much better on Bass mode, but I would have to leave it there and never use the Lead mode I guess.
Andy, can you tell us the diffrence between a vibrato and a tremolo pedal/effects?
ThanX
Vibrato is pitch, tremolo is volume.
@@salzulli6290 Thank you Sal.
@@salzulli6290 It would have been nice to have someone tell that to Leo Fender, back in the 50's. So much confusion could have been avoided.
What's the opening tune?
I'd love to hear a Fuzz Face in front of one of these
I’ve had the same issue with the original silver v.III as many stated. Too boomy and bassy in a band setting. Used it for Green Day and other covers, where I loved the overall Marshall “karrang” that Howard nailed. But I always had the bass at minimum and needed to cut even more. During gigs it was love/hate. The boomy bass was so annoying! Finally had to kick it off the board. Tried the Angry Charlie but that doesn’t sound “Marshall” at all to me. Can anyone recommend a great Marshall in a box that does “it”. There are so many on the market, can’t try em all. Also, I’m hesitant to buy anything more from Catalinbread for the same reasons others have expressed, even though this red version has seemed to address my tone issues!
As per the power source comments, REMINDER: When Jimi was getting his great Plexi tones, pedals ran off 9V carbon-zinc batteries. Or, they operated only on a custom wall wart from the pedal manufacturer. Carbon zinc batteries ran down faster, so the sound of his Fuzz Face and Wah was changing as the gig wore on. The standard Boss wall wart wasn't even in existence yet in 1969.
Are these durable? Are they tour worthy for a semi-pro?
You are semipro and dont know about catalinbread?
When I want Marshall sound, I wan't the bass and slop that goes with it or it doesn't sound like a JCM800 to me. If you want to play Djent, go buy an Randall Savage and tie an 8 string Solar around your neck and jump. Lol. Just kidding, I too have aspirations. I like both pedals with a Les Paul, and the silver O.G. model w/ the Stratocaster. BTW, I own Randalls.7 & 8 string schecters, and a Solar 6 by Ola. The ENGL Savage is another story. I miss my Marshall JCM800 and I want this pedal ! PDX !
Isn't the Red version just like the "limited edition" version that they just barely put out earlier this year? Seems pretty lame to do a LE and then go back out and re-release it after saying it's a LE only.
They did the LE as a test run. If it sold well and had good reviews, then it becomes a full production.
Red bit of a nasally mid going on.
Original version sounds too bassy and boomy. The new one will work better in a mix for sure.
The new one sounds like a tin can. Sorry but the new generation catalinbread sucks.
The red one looks good and sounds worse!
The original is way better imo.