can you do a video with some of the old school Judo throws, where the leg is grapped for an easier or more stable throw? Thanks for the awesome content by the way :D
Thank you! I always learn something from your posts, and you do a great job of explaining and breaking down each movement. Much appreciated and cheers from Canada!
A great number of the core aikido techniques are banned in judo competition because for them to really work in a stand alone sense, they have to be done rather ballistically to cause an immediate break. -effective, but not really what Judo is about. People in the know will generally let go/ pull their hand back way before the techniques compromises their posture or get anywhere near the point of a well controlled, tap-able submission. So I'm afraid your comment isn't so relevant in regards to judo competition, but considering the motif of passing down the well developed technique to the arts in which it still is legal, your comment is completely ligitement, and that's commonly done especially by those who transfer from Japanese jujitsu, aikido, hapkido etc to BJJ although in the intrest of training partner joint longevity they tend to operate more as elaborate grip breaks leading into single legs, under hooks etc.
Love it and a lot of the traditional techniques are dangerous because of joint dislocation and perhaps paralysis. Shime waza is another one of those that is one of those techniques you have to be aware and nd really careful of. I love your style and your teaching. Many thanks 🙏
Are you able to grip break their lapel grip with your free hand, and use it to guide their arm into a safe position to avoid the arm lock issue (and still make the technique reliable)? It would be similar framing and grip mechanics to a sode tsurikomi goshi entry, but obviously finish with korean seoi.
Someone has to start a gi MMA league. Is it going to be grappling heavy? Absolutely, even more than ordinary MMA. But it would be dope, especially if some of these banned moves can be brought back.
I’d love that, but it’s a hard sell to western audiences, I think. More casual fans and martial enthusiasts there have it firmly in their heads that no-gi is “more real,” even though absolutely zero clothing grips is just as unrealistic as the plethora of options on a gi. No gi is, admittedly, faster paced, though. I don’t think it comes up enough in discussion, that the west just doesn’t have a strong cultural connection to jacket wrestling in general. I suspect that even on a subconscious level westerners-particularly Americans-have a much harder time “getting” gi. Plus I really think no-gi is more casual friendly… people who don’t know anything, but are moderately athletic can scramble more. That’s typically means beginners feel like they get to “do” more (even if in practice it’s wasted energy, it just emotionally is less devastating than being trapped by your own gi). Basically, importing Kudo or Combat Sambo or having a grassroots third thing would be awesome. I’d be totally in support, but I think it would also be very tough to sell to a casual audience that by in large doesn’t really gravitate towards gi to begin with.
Been doing this for years... Never hurt anyone. Weird that it would be banned. Usually it breaks the grip if you apply it when you have outside position. When you have inside grip, it's best applied with the elbow whiping which places their arm way on the outside, making defence difficult and nearly eliminating the possibility of injuring their arm. I think it's sad when techniques are banned because each technique is basically an answer to a problem of otherwise ungraceful crashing forces. The whole set being together allows a high level judoka to operate smoothly because when one door closes and another one opens. Banning the techniques kinda ruins it because judo is about having practical answers to all things standing grappling using all things standing grappling. R.I.P. K.S.N.😢
Solid self evaluation. Sincerely props to you there. This move isn't easy to get the hang of when exactly to use it, and it's not a beginners technique by a long shot. It might even be hard to learn in a BJJ context because it's commonly used when you know your opponent is a solid hip checker, stands up fairly straight and likes to dominate your throwing arm shoulder... These conditions are a bit harder to meet when your opponent is just as content to pull guard on you or is primarily looking for a lower stance oriented attack such as a single leg etc.
Nice variation. The movement reminds me of a throw in Aikido called Shiho Nage, except in Aikido you hold his wrist like a sword for the throw, this Korean Seoi Nage however is done while holding on to the lapel. And before anyone tells me they are not the same, I'm talking from the perspective of the uke. Although some details in the initial set up by the nage for the throw is different, the ukemi involved are basically the same.
This IS Shiho-Nage. It becomes obvious when you think about how to do it no-gi; you'd have to grab the opponent's arm, which would make it look exactly like Shiho-Nage.
I know a different way of doing the "korean Seoi Nage": grabing your opponents arm, NOT THE GI, go to the outside of his arm and under his shoulder and than throw him just like you did. This is what I would do in a real self defense scenario as the risk of injury to the arm is even higher and also there is a high risk of your opponent to plant his face straight to the ground.
You're going to get hit hard with his left hand and your opponent is going to be turning to follow through with the hips so his position will be totally different, more square and his motion will be vigorously clockwise. Additionally almost no one wears a gi in MMA. Assuming the orientation of the throw is as shown i predict a left cross from your opponent perhaps followed by a spinning back elbow with his right elbow. So i disagree with you on this point re using the technique in MMA but respectfully thx for sharing your techniques :) You are a more advanced martial artist than I so you might be right but i don't think so. In a street fight it might work but i normally go for wrist control, following a feint and block, i.e. i'm feinting to get the guy to block, once he puts his arm and hand out to block i'm on it and apply nikkyo either with or without a takedown by kicking out the back of his knee once i have the wrist and have applied the first part of nikkyo. Just stepping on the back of the calf will do for this. If it's a really serious dangerous situation one can also stomp the achilles heal to slow him down for the remainder of the conflict. There are times when it is advantage NOT to follow through with the take down but simply control your adversary with arm cranked behind back and wrist locked up. This way you have a good amount of control, watch out for for the elbow as he struggles to escape, be ready for that, with a practiced opponent that will likely be coming your way. So with your man still standing and arm locked behind back with wrist control he can be used as a shield against someone else who may be standing in the wings waiting for an opportunity to join the fray. You can also then say to him something like, 'calm down man, i'd rather not have to injure you' or 'calm down, chill, you are responsible for the consequences of your actions' Something along those lines. I'm also not recommending that you use this as pre-emptive attack, it's not a good legal defence though it may keep you alive, and both of those factors are something to consider. Obviously your number one imperative is to stay healthy, un-injured and alive, body and honour all intact, no matter what the courts may say down the road. My policy is not to engage in physical conflict unless the guy or gal actually takes a swing at me. I have used this approach in real life several times and it's tried and true. One incident involved 3 combatants in quick succession, long story, first guy was half drunk and kissed my girlfriend, just walked up to her and kissed her (you can't do that it's called sexual assault), his buddy appeared to be a junkie as he was hanging around the junkie bar in the market downtown, (he came up from behind and to the side of us and socked me in the ear and then i pretended i was going to box with him and kicked out his left knee from a distance as he had stepped back following that one punch, and the 3rd guy was very fat, almost as wide as he was tall but was not very tall, still he had a lot of inertia behind him when he charged at me. He tried to kick and i blocked and a stand off ensued at which point the first dude had gotten up from where i had thrown him, after his attempted kick to my nuts failed, it was in slow motion because he was very tall, like 6' 4" at least, so easy to evade and counter. I threw him into a table of Jamaican hot sauce bottles which also fell over so there was hot sauce all over, like unintentionally improvised pepper spray. Before i threw him though, i had him in wrist control and then kicked him hard in the ribs before the 2nd guy got involved. I think that kick was not really necessary and i feel bad about it but at the time i was quite angry because he had just assaulted my girl and ruined our valentine's day outing. Once again, long story and not going to expound too much here. At the end of that face off with the fat guy a brother named John had come out of one of the fruit markets and grabbed the fat guys arm and said, 'thats not cool, two against one'. John had big arms from lifting all those apple boxes and such all day. Apparently he had not even seen the junkie, the 2nd guy who punched me in the ear so he thought it was just the fat guy and the tall guy, both of whom he knew from working in the hood. He had, however been witness to that earlier conversation with the tall guy where i told him to stop giving my girlfriend the spray and he had agreed. Thx John :) In the end I walked away relatively uninjured but for some bruised ribs from a kick that got through. Another time a quite drunk woman came at me, my landlady. She wanted to bed me, was always flirting with me and i kept making excuses why i was not ready to get intimate with her because the look in her eyes quite frankly was whack and i just knew something was not right. She drank a lot too and i don't really ever drink more than one beer or a glass of wine socially so i'm not on the wavelength. Heavy drinkers can be a real menace to themselves and others. Fortunately they can not really fight too effectively in those states of mind, reflexes slowed and balance impaired. Anyway, my yoga teacher friend came over, we had some laughs, danced and made love and landlady heard it happening and started kicking through the dry wall with her pointy cowboy boots. I used Ikkyo very gently on her and it worked like a charm, was able to take complete control without actually injuring her which i consider to be good karma approach to physical conflict and the best scenario, when possible. That is why a lot of police and school teachers and are taught these pain compliance techniques, such as Ikkyo, because they do work (when executed with good practice, timing, grip strength helps), and are preferable for many situations of self defence. I want to add that i'm essentially a very peaceful guy and it's not easy to get me to engage in hand to hand combat but that the world can get pretty wild and dangerous at times and that's why staying fit and limber and ready and to have a plan of action is so important. For me at least, Ikkyo is my first plan of action when shit hits fan.
no shit no lie i hit this move on wide BIG big boy purple belt after watchin the highlight videos of this move getting in comp and visualizing on my bike ride to the gym
I loved reverse Seoi but I don't think I'd teach this to BJJ guys. You can end up doing a nasty elbow lock in the throw like aikido shiho nage if you keep under their arm
Love it. I believe the IJF needs to be completely disenfranchised from the Kodokan for cultural reasons. Force them to use a different term other than "Judo". Something like "Olympic Style Judo" or better yet, just call it "Cornish Wrestling," because that is EXACTLY what is has become.
It would be difficult to take your back if everything went smoothly, but there's always some risk of having your back taken when attempting techniques where you turn away from your opponent. Having your back taken in judo is much less of a problem than it would be in bjj due to differences in the rules, so judo players will often use techniques that you would probably want to avoid in a bjj match. This may or may not be one of them, I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to say for sure.
Good question. If you have the outside grip it's completely impossible to have your back taken. Their arms are shoved off to the side completely and then you proceed to move further away from their arms. - do they have a chance of taking your back when you arm drag them?... Similar situation. If you do it from the inside grip, it's about 1/3. Depends if you smother their arm between your bodies, and if you can complete the motion or not, essentially similar rate to traditional seoi nage, but with a wild card that it could be similar to "arm pin ippon" where you drag their arm that you're not throwing them by across and under and pin it in a useless position between your bodies before/during the throw -it all happens or doesn't happen pretty much simultaneously.😅
Please do a video on the first 2-3 throws you should learn for BJJ. Thank you for all the techniques.
I would also like to see this!
Subscribed to watch for this.
He has an instructional on bjj fanatics I think.
de ashi barai and morote gari for sure
Google uki waza. Good for people who bend down and try to stall.
When the rule changed and banned the k-seoi I didnt find any explanation why. First time I see some, interesting. Thank you guys
You should make a series on illegal judo for bjj like classic kata guruma and stuff
Is kata guruma illegal now? Wow
@@olimpicus?Any throw where you grab the leg was made illegal bec. it looked too much like wrestling, according to them.
can you do a video with some of the old school Judo throws, where the leg is grapped for an easier or more stable throw?
Thanks for the awesome content by the way :D
Thank you! I always learn something from your posts, and you do a great job of explaining and breaking down each movement. Much appreciated and cheers from Canada!
Korean Seoi is very similar to one of the 'core' techniques of Aikido, shihonage.
A great number of the core aikido techniques are banned in judo competition because for them to really work in a stand alone sense, they have to be done rather ballistically to cause an immediate break. -effective, but not really what Judo is about. People in the know will generally let go/ pull their hand back way before the techniques compromises their posture or get anywhere near the point of a well controlled, tap-able submission. So I'm afraid your comment isn't so relevant in regards to judo competition, but considering the motif of passing down the well developed technique to the arts in which it still is legal, your comment is completely ligitement, and that's commonly done especially by those who transfer from Japanese jujitsu, aikido, hapkido etc to BJJ although in the intrest of training partner joint longevity they tend to operate more as elaborate grip breaks leading into single legs, under hooks etc.
Love it and a lot of the traditional techniques are dangerous because of joint dislocation and perhaps paralysis. Shime waza is another one of those that is one of those techniques you have to be aware and nd really careful of. I love your style and your teaching. Many thanks 🙏
Thanks for the fine gift! Oss!
Thank you very much I’m going to use this
Very dangerous move... give it a try! 😂
Are you able to grip break their lapel grip with your free hand, and use it to guide their arm into a safe position to avoid the arm lock issue (and still make the technique reliable)?
It would be similar framing and grip mechanics to a sode tsurikomi goshi entry, but obviously finish with korean seoi.
Thank you for your gift 🙏🏿🤲🏿
thankyou, ive seen also maintaining the wrist.
Let’s be real- almost of BJJ is banned Judo moves
The gi’s not tucked! Lol
Beautiful throw.
Useful for in the street especially in cold countries like whare I live in Scotland where everyone wears jackets
Judo is going to become an art with no throws
@@ricardokerscher prove it
The arm getting trapped look really dangerous. Looks like a legit and good ban.
@@staarfajter922 dude then the self defense of judo will be gone.
@@jayzee5855 dude, its not illegal to use it in self defense. Its not illegal to practice it.
@@staarfajter922 🤦🏾♂️
Someone has to start a gi MMA league. Is it going to be grappling heavy? Absolutely, even more than ordinary MMA. But it would be dope, especially if some of these banned moves can be brought back.
@JSL that's cool! I don't know a lot about Sambo. Looks like I've got something to check out.
@JSL combat sambo is brutal
@@me0101001000 start a gi mma promotion or just start combat sambo in the west. Very hard to find outside of Eastern Europe
Another combat sport that's basically MMA with a gi is Kudo
I’d love that, but it’s a hard sell to western audiences, I think. More casual fans and martial enthusiasts there have it firmly in their heads that no-gi is “more real,” even though absolutely zero clothing grips is just as unrealistic as the plethora of options on a gi. No gi is, admittedly, faster paced, though.
I don’t think it comes up enough in discussion, that the west just doesn’t have a strong cultural connection to jacket wrestling in general. I suspect that even on a subconscious level westerners-particularly Americans-have a much harder time “getting” gi. Plus I really think no-gi is more casual friendly… people who don’t know anything, but are moderately athletic can scramble more. That’s typically means beginners feel like they get to “do” more (even if in practice it’s wasted energy, it just emotionally is less devastating than being trapped by your own gi).
Basically, importing Kudo or Combat Sambo or having a grassroots third thing would be awesome. I’d be totally in support, but I think it would also be very tough to sell to a casual audience that by in large doesn’t really gravitate towards gi to begin with.
Been doing this for years... Never hurt anyone. Weird that it would be banned. Usually it breaks the grip if you apply it when you have outside position. When you have inside grip, it's best applied with the elbow whiping which places their arm way on the outside, making defence difficult and nearly eliminating the possibility of injuring their arm.
I think it's sad when techniques are banned because each technique is basically an answer to a problem of otherwise ungraceful crashing forces. The whole set being together allows a high level judoka to operate smoothly because when one door closes and another one opens.
Banning the techniques kinda ruins it because judo is about having practical answers to all things standing grappling using all things standing grappling.
R.I.P. K.S.N.😢
definitely trying this when i compete in the Denver Ibjjf open lol
Shintaro Higashi is an awesome judoka🥋 and (still) a handsome AF SOB. 😀
This is a pretty sweet move, would like to practice it but my standing game is not up to snuff quite yet.
Solid self evaluation. Sincerely props to you there. This move isn't easy to get the hang of when exactly to use it, and it's not a beginners technique by a long shot. It might even be hard to learn in a BJJ context because it's commonly used when you know your opponent is a solid hip checker, stands up fairly straight and likes to dominate your throwing arm shoulder... These conditions are a bit harder to meet when your opponent is just as content to pull guard on you or is primarily looking for a lower stance oriented attack such as a single leg etc.
This move is still legal for shuaijiao, but I haven't seen it used successfully in competition yet.
A 'kazure' seoinage which is applicable in a self defense situation . Resembles yamarashi.
Thank you for this gift 😈
Amazing gift
I feel like the thrower is safe from back takes while doing this. Is that correct?
Nice variation. The movement reminds me of a throw in Aikido called Shiho Nage, except in Aikido you hold his wrist like a sword for the throw, this Korean Seoi Nage however is done while holding on to the lapel. And before anyone tells me they are not the same, I'm talking from the perspective of the uke. Although some details in the initial set up by the nage for the throw is different, the ukemi involved are basically the same.
You're right, the variation where he throws towards uke's back does look like the same ukemi as shiho nage.
Not so much the regular finish :)
This IS Shiho-Nage. It becomes obvious when you think about how to do it no-gi; you'd have to grab the opponent's arm, which would make it look exactly like Shiho-Nage.
Thank you for showing me this my grandma didnt stand a chance
I know a different way of doing the "korean Seoi Nage": grabing your opponents arm, NOT THE GI, go to the outside of his arm and under his shoulder and than throw him just like you did. This is what I would do in a real self defense scenario as the risk of injury to the arm is even higher and also there is a high risk of your opponent to plant his face straight to the ground.
Nice. Still in Blue belt, but I would like to training some no gi to get thisself defense skills. If it's illegal, should be nice to self defense 😅
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Awesome!
What is the specific danger here- is it the opponent's arm getting caught in the gi?
yes, it can happen. Also sometimes uke can land on his neck or his head.
@@arantxaurrutia0 But isn't that danger there for all /most high amplitude throws?
maybe you can show us the scissors-take down they use in Bjj
It's such BS that this is banned by IJF. It will always be part of Judo, just not the excessively regulated version at the Olympics etc
This is one move that created a paralysis and death among Japanese schoolchildren practicing Judo.
Gift to all white belts so they can injure someone before quitting jiu-jitsu
Pleass more randori video 😢
Deadly throw that also breaks the arm
Similar to a 肩取四方投げ裏
This looks like a “Shiho nage” in aikido.
“Eventually they’ll ban it in BJJ….” 😂 😂
Hi Can you do Korean seoi nage with no gi
It would be a shiho nage, more commonly associated with aikido.
Thanks bro
The second one looks like shiho nage from Aikido.
Why do they ban the coolest moves? For example most of leg attacks in old judo were just nasty
This seio has high odds of planting the opponent straight on the head, that's why it's banned.
yup first time i got hit by this move got my wrist hurt for weeks.
You're going to get hit hard with his left hand and your opponent is going to be turning to follow through with the hips so his position will be totally different, more square and his motion will be vigorously clockwise. Additionally almost no one wears a gi in MMA. Assuming the orientation of the throw is as shown i predict a left cross from your opponent perhaps followed by a spinning back elbow with his right elbow. So i disagree with you on this point re using the technique in MMA but respectfully thx for sharing your techniques :) You are a more advanced martial artist than I so you might be right but i don't think so. In a street fight it might work but i normally go for wrist control, following a feint and block, i.e. i'm feinting to get the guy to block, once he puts his arm and hand out to block i'm on it and apply nikkyo either with or without a takedown by kicking out the back of his knee once i have the wrist and have applied the first part of nikkyo. Just stepping on the back of the calf will do for this. If it's a really serious dangerous situation one can also stomp the achilles heal to slow him down for the remainder of the conflict. There are times when it is advantage NOT to follow through with the take down but simply control your adversary with arm cranked behind back and wrist locked up. This way you have a good amount of control, watch out for for the elbow as he struggles to escape, be ready for that, with a practiced opponent that will likely be coming your way. So with your man still standing and arm locked behind back with wrist control he can be used as a shield against someone else who may be standing in the wings waiting for an opportunity to join the fray. You can also then say to him something like, 'calm down man, i'd rather not have to injure you' or 'calm down, chill, you are responsible for the consequences of your actions' Something along those lines. I'm also not recommending that you use this as pre-emptive attack, it's not a good legal defence though it may keep you alive, and both of those factors are something to consider. Obviously your number one imperative is to stay healthy, un-injured and alive, body and honour all intact, no matter what the courts may say down the road. My policy is not to engage in physical conflict unless the guy or gal actually takes a swing at me. I have used this approach in real life several times and it's tried and true. One incident involved 3 combatants in quick succession, long story, first guy was half drunk and kissed my girlfriend, just walked up to her and kissed her (you can't do that it's called sexual assault), his buddy appeared to be a junkie as he was hanging around the junkie bar in the market downtown, (he came up from behind and to the side of us and socked me in the ear and then i pretended i was going to box with him and kicked out his left knee from a distance as he had stepped back following that one punch, and the 3rd guy was very fat, almost as wide as he was tall but was not very tall, still he had a lot of inertia behind him when he charged at me. He tried to kick and i blocked and a stand off ensued at which point the first dude had gotten up from where i had thrown him, after his attempted kick to my nuts failed, it was in slow motion because he was very tall, like 6' 4" at least, so easy to evade and counter. I threw him into a table of Jamaican hot sauce bottles which also fell over so there was hot sauce all over, like unintentionally improvised pepper spray. Before i threw him though, i had him in wrist control and then kicked him hard in the ribs before the 2nd guy got involved. I think that kick was not really necessary and i feel bad about it but at the time i was quite angry because he had just assaulted my girl and ruined our valentine's day outing. Once again, long story and not going to expound too much here. At the end of that face off with the fat guy a brother named John had come out of one of the fruit markets and grabbed the fat guys arm and said, 'thats not cool, two against one'. John had big arms from lifting all those apple boxes and such all day. Apparently he had not even seen the junkie, the 2nd guy who punched me in the ear so he thought it was just the fat guy and the tall guy, both of whom he knew from working in the hood. He had, however been witness to that earlier conversation with the tall guy where i told him to stop giving my girlfriend the spray and he had agreed. Thx John :) In the end I walked away relatively uninjured but for some bruised ribs from a kick that got through. Another time a quite drunk woman came at me, my landlady. She wanted to bed me, was always flirting with me and i kept making excuses why i was not ready to get intimate with her because the look in her eyes quite frankly was whack and i just knew something was not right. She drank a lot too and i don't really ever drink more than one beer or a glass of wine socially so i'm not on the wavelength. Heavy drinkers can be a real menace to themselves and others. Fortunately they can not really fight too effectively in those states of mind, reflexes slowed and balance impaired. Anyway, my yoga teacher friend came over, we had some laughs, danced and made love and landlady heard it happening and started kicking through the dry wall with her pointy cowboy boots. I used Ikkyo very gently on her and it worked like a charm, was able to take complete control without actually injuring her which i consider to be good karma approach to physical conflict and the best scenario, when possible. That is why a lot of police and school teachers and are taught these pain compliance techniques, such as Ikkyo, because they do work (when executed with good practice, timing, grip strength helps), and are preferable for many situations of self defence. I want to add that i'm essentially a very peaceful guy and it's not easy to get me to engage in hand to hand combat but that the world can get pretty wild and dangerous at times and that's why staying fit and limber and ready and to have a plan of action is so important. For me at least, Ikkyo is my first plan of action when shit hits fan.
no shit no lie i hit this move on wide BIG big boy purple belt after watchin the highlight videos of this move getting in comp and visualizing on my bike ride to the gym
I'm a four stripe white belt
Wait until bjj finds out about Shihonage
"Its a real dangerous move......give it a try 😂"
Cool
Merci !
John wick 1, glass guy
Banned yes in sport but totally viable throw when on them dangerous streets...
BJJ is synonymous with one thing GI and DOGI.
Beans
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Shiho nage w the lapel😂
It's banned now!!? Dammit... LOL
I loved reverse Seoi but I don't think I'd teach this to BJJ guys. You can end up doing a nasty elbow lock in the throw like aikido shiho nage if you keep under their arm
That’s stupid. Not teaching stuff that can be used to defend yourself is pathetic.
@@nathanbedfordforrest9546 It can't really be practiced safely with resistance and you need to be quite the athlete to pull it off
Is this the same move in this video? ruclips.net/user/shortssT35HKzmezU?feature=share If so, the ref let it pass under Sun League rules I guess
No, that was just an ippon seio nage
@@Cuythulu Thank you!
Ah.
Only in gi
Any move that is dependant on clothing is crap.
Look like a shihonage with no arm.
Gifted?! Like everything else bjj?!
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Love it.
I believe the IJF needs to be completely disenfranchised from the Kodokan for cultural reasons. Force them to use a different term other than "Judo". Something like "Olympic Style Judo" or better yet, just call it "Cornish Wrestling," because that is EXACTLY what is has become.
Yeah, it's not Cornish wrestling. And I'm pretty sure the Cornish wrestlers would not be happy with the ijf stealing their name.
'Legal'? MMA guys rarely were Dojo uniforms with ultra strong lapels so I doubt it will matter.
Can you do a video on best judo throws for street? Assuming your family is in danger so you have to fight and multiple guys
Wont they just take your back?
It would be difficult to take your back if everything went smoothly, but there's always some risk of having your back taken when attempting techniques where you turn away from your opponent. Having your back taken in judo is much less of a problem than it would be in bjj due to differences in the rules, so judo players will often use techniques that you would probably want to avoid in a bjj match. This may or may not be one of them, I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to say for sure.
let me do this with full speed on you and let me see if you can take my back
@@ethan0a very insightful. The meta version now illegal in judo, you finish with the guys gea wrapped around your neck with the opponent behind you.
Yes, from the AIR 😁
Good question. If you have the outside grip it's completely impossible to have your back taken. Their arms are shoved off to the side completely and then you proceed to move further away from their arms. - do they have a chance of taking your back when you arm drag them?... Similar situation.
If you do it from the inside grip, it's about 1/3. Depends if you smother their arm between your bodies, and if you can complete the motion or not, essentially similar rate to traditional seoi nage, but with a wild card that it could be similar to "arm pin ippon" where you drag their arm that you're not throwing them by across and under and pin it in a useless position between your bodies before/during the throw -it all happens or doesn't happen pretty much simultaneously.😅
Judo is becoming a joke
Break neck alert
honestly I like that they banned this throw, it's totally dependant on the gi
And the winter coat
@@xavierpaquin I don't think so actually, you need a very loose lapel for that throw