Honestly at this point, I don’t know. It’s disheartening considering what was said in Romans 9:19-22NLT. In short, it seems some are made a certain way and yet they are still the one destined for destruction and they are basically at God’s mercy in this case- IF He so chooses according to His will. It just sounds like being made for the purpose of being an object of condemnation to me while still being the one mainly to blame. Romans 19-22NLT: 19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” 20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction.
As an ex-Christian of 35 years, I've come to the conclusion that a loving and omnipotent God doesn't exist. After seeking the Lord for so long and reading his word only to find contradiction after contradiction, his actions or lack of action is so inconsistent it only makes sense that he doesn't exist and or is extremely incompetent. Another example is the existence of serial killers and people who BTK their victims. You can't say this is part of a loving Gods plan to allow such torture. Does God watch in a corner and cry as a serial killer tortures a r*apes his victim til death? And if the serial killer accepts Christ as his personal Lord and savior before he dies, he is allowed into heaven for eternity? If I was an omnipotent God, the word serial killer wouldn't even be a thing. As a loving God, hunger and malnourishment wouldn't be a thing regardless of whether or not they believed either.
Christian looks unutterably sad. He has a beautiful home that he created so quirkily and I wish he could embrace himself exactly as he was made. It’s his life, he should live it in a way that brings him the greatest happiness.
Lisa your reports have such insight without pushing an agenda, you show the humanity of the people involved. Continue to share the complexity of being human. We should all strive to come from a place of love and understanding. ✌🏽
And accept we might not understand everything but that's where the love part comes in. My God, imagine people feeling "wrong" and it's US that make them feel that way. How heart breaking!
@@QueenD75172 it’s not for us to judge that’s between god and them (not in no way saying you are I’m just saying in general-we can all agree to disagree but we all should and can be respectful and mindful that words hurt-it’s sad to see these kids and adults feel the way they do(again I’m not directly saying it to you but just in general as a a whole-I agree with your comment so much-I hope you have a good day
@@mariacasella6474 oh trust me, I know you did not mean me and I get what you saying. With a transgender son I had to review my entire belief system and I chose God and loving my son with all that I have. That's why my heart bleeds for all that don't have a support system.
Anything else you found? I couldn't make out their full names This was an american exposee but its hard knowing the government here in the Uk is refusing to ban conversion practices.. when we used to be the best country in the world for the lgbt community but it continues to get worse..
People need to let others live there lives without judgment who cares how others express themselves or how they dress or who they love or what gender they are like why does it bother people I'm not gay I'm not trans I'm a married mom of 3 but I accept people for who they are no one deserves to live in fear everyday or feel disgraced because they are who they are.
@@alisha8586 People are preoccupied with money making, shopping and luxury, seems it is never enough, but sin, no one even know what a sin is. Sin became an integral part of everyday life. Majority of people, especially youth, has no awareness of what is considered sin besides ten commandments, such as pride, laziness, envy, gluttony, fornication, avarice, etc.
@mariannehavisham8323 It may not be an “orientation,” either-That’s woke talk. Just as many believe it's a result, such as of molestation, of which Christian was a childhood victim.
@@mariannehavisham8323it is a habit, one that starts mostly as a result of sexual abuse, molestation or rape. Especially when the abusers are people you love and trust
I gobble up all of your documentaries such awesom reporting ..this episode was very sad makes me wonder who wrote the bible an could the translation be wrong?
I definitely believe it's in the translation... In the bible, it also says that God will never forsake us. It doesn't say only the ppl that are heterosexual. All I do know for sure is that God loves us ALL💯 🫡
Well, God created you, He gave you everything you have and He loves you even though you deny Him. Believe me, girl, the problem is not with God, but with the wrong idea people have about Him. One day you will be greatful for all you have received from him instead of judging Him for ignoring his Love and his Work.
@@taffyalusa4642 they did, in 15 minutes they created all your cells, your brain, your blood, your soul 😅 wow! I wish I was as powerful as your parents! They really did a masterpiece and created an amazing human machine! Good job! 👏
There is a lot of history on the origins of the Bible if you dig deep enough into history. One of the reasons for the confusion is because it’s based upon theft of a culture that came WAAAAAY before. For instance, the 10 commandments is inspired by the declarations Of Ma’at, which is a part of ancient African culture. Also, the Bible and Christianity hasn’t been around since the dawn of humanity (which began with the African woman 3 million years ago). It was created only less than 10 thousand years ago during a society of total mayhem and murder known as The Dark Ages. The Cross is a torture device, one of many invented by this peculiar society based in Europe.
It’s simple and this information is right in the introduction of the Bibles: there are 2 laws: Moses’ law and god’s law. Moses law was for the Hebrew of his time and it is no longer in use. Gods law is eternal. Moses law tells us to stone the sinners. Gods law tells us to love one another and not judge our brothers. Moses tells us not to sleep with someone of the same gender; Jesus says nothing about it. He only tells us to love one another as he has loved us.
Being a Christian is not about you, it's all about God and becoming a new creation in Christ. If a person struggles with alcohol, is that just how God made him, and he can never change? Alcoholics Anonymous says absolutely not.
It's not a choice for them anymore than it was for you. Did you have to make a pro and con list between the pretty cheerleader and the captain of the football team? I doubt it. That CHOICE was made for you and them at birth. ITS NOT A CHOICE.
God's intent and our intent is not the same thing, thief or adulterer or drunkard, His way is beyond our ways, but they require us to be upright in heart. That is what your following not the conflicts of interest that are nestled within false male expectation.
This sounds limiting to desires. It’s damaging to limit yourself. Resistance = insanity Ignorance = insanity Don’t listen to any of this incorrect news.
@@susanmcpherson4591 God (all Gods) its man made !! I feel pity for all people whose brains have been washed with religion's humbug...but as long as they don't want to force their superstitions on me and interfere in my life...I don't care. As Spinoza said, as long as there are stupid people, religions, sects and cults will exist...unfortunately
God word is clear God loves people but hate sin and yes until you have been delivered from your sin you cannot enter into heaven so people need to stop changing God word
Lisa Ling is the best journalist. She is non-judgmental and compassionate and asks the questions that many are afraid to ask.
What a struggle to have to go through. I'm so happy for the teens who learned to accept themselves. It's not worth it to live a lie your entire life.
I'm Christian and this report was heartbreaking to me. Why would God not love you how he made you
God always endowed us with free will
Absolutely. This existence is a learning curve. I'm GAY as the day is long. I've exorcised LEGION once. God is all powerful!!!
Your mom and dad made you. There is no god.
Honestly at this point, I don’t know. It’s disheartening considering what was said in Romans 9:19-22NLT. In short, it seems some are made a certain way and yet they are still the one destined for destruction and they are basically at God’s mercy in this case- IF He so chooses according to His will. It just sounds like being made for the purpose of being an object of condemnation to me while still being the one mainly to blame.
Romans 19-22NLT:
19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?”
20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction.
As an ex-Christian of 35 years, I've come to the conclusion that a loving and omnipotent God doesn't exist. After seeking the Lord for so long and reading his word only to find contradiction after contradiction, his actions or lack of action is so inconsistent it only makes sense that he doesn't exist and or is extremely incompetent.
Another example is the existence of serial killers and people who BTK their victims. You can't say this is part of a loving Gods plan to allow such torture. Does God watch in a corner and cry as a serial killer tortures a r*apes his victim til death? And if the serial killer accepts Christ as his personal Lord and savior before he dies, he is allowed into heaven for eternity? If I was an omnipotent God, the word serial killer wouldn't even be a thing. As a loving God, hunger and malnourishment wouldn't be a thing regardless of whether or not they believed either.
Christian looks unutterably sad. He has a beautiful home that he created so quirkily and I wish he could embrace himself exactly as he was made. It’s his life, he should live it in a way that brings him the greatest happiness.
Lisa your reports have such insight without pushing an agenda, you show the humanity of the people involved. Continue to share the complexity of being human. We should all strive to come from a place of love and understanding. ✌🏽
Non-arbitrary reporting is so rare. She's awesome.
I agree you Lisa are a excellent reporter/journalist you have a great way of talking & listening to people bravo 🙌💛
Acceptance,understanding,unconditional love
And accept we might not understand everything but that's where the love part comes in. My God, imagine people feeling "wrong" and it's US that make them feel that way. How heart breaking!
@@QueenD75172 it’s not for us to judge that’s between god and them (not in no way saying you are I’m just saying in general-we can all agree to disagree but we all should and can be respectful and mindful that words hurt-it’s sad to see these kids and adults feel the way they do(again I’m not directly saying it to you but just in general as a a whole-I agree with your comment so much-I hope you have a good day
Yes unconditional love & understanding we aren’t all the same. 🙏
@@mariacasella6474 oh trust me, I know you did not mean me and I get what you saying.
With a transgender son I had to review my entire belief system and I chose God and loving my son with all that I have. That's why my heart bleeds for all that don't have a support system.
@@QueenD75172 mine tooo and I’m glad you understand what I was saying.🙏❤️
This was aired on March 8, 2011. Christian is not straight and it seems he left the church judging from his IG.
ohh dannng
What is his ig?
@@stormbunnie6966 not ‘o dang’! That’s a terrible thing to say. Christian should live hid life in the way that makes him happiest!
Anything else you found? I couldn't make out their full names
This was an american exposee but its hard knowing the government here in the Uk is refusing to ban conversion practices.. when we used to be the best country in the world for the lgbt community but it continues to get worse..
What's his IG?
Lisa has an amazing & kind reporting talent
DENIAL! Be Yourself! Everyone Else Is Taken! God don’t make mistakes!
Omg this is sad that they feel this ashamed for who they are.
It’s not breaking news, it’s been happening for EVER 😭😭😭
This is so sad 😢 😔
Yes it is. It’s ridiculous.
Lisa you are an excellent reporter ❤
This feels sad. It's sad that you can't be who you are. And that's just very shameful.
This is an evil, dangerous organization
Humanity is as confusing and disordered as the stars.
No one has the right to tell others who they can or can't love!
Alan will come out with more revelations. He seems so unhappy and unsure of himself.
Is the first episode uploaded?! This show is Amazing
this is heartbreaking! love who you want to love! love is positive so why not nurture it
This summer camp is amazing ❤
YIKES. this is awful, be yourself.
How marriage is a systematic problem too. Practice boundaries and consent. Hope will never be silence.
God created you to be creative 😊
Some just have better gifts than other's, just like everything else💯 🫡
@@cashtaylor9804”Better”? No one is better than anyone. People are just different 🤦🏽♂️
A three legged cat named Eileen. 😂
Live your truth don’t ruin other peoples lives with a lie
People are complex and we have no right to judge others path of life.But humans develop habits hard to break at times
Yes but sexual orientation isn't 'a habit'
People need to let others live there lives without judgment who cares how others express themselves or how they dress or who they love or what gender they are like why does it bother people I'm not gay I'm not trans I'm a married mom of 3 but I accept people for who they are no one deserves to live in fear everyday or feel disgraced because they are who they are.
@@alisha8586 People are preoccupied with money making, shopping and luxury, seems it is never enough, but sin, no one even know what a sin is. Sin became an integral part of everyday life. Majority of people, especially youth, has no awareness of what is considered sin besides ten commandments, such as pride, laziness, envy, gluttony, fornication, avarice, etc.
@mariannehavisham8323
It may not be an “orientation,” either-That’s woke talk. Just as many believe it's a result, such as of molestation, of which Christian was a childhood victim.
@@mariannehavisham8323it is a habit, one that starts mostly as a result of sexual abuse, molestation or rape. Especially when the abusers are people you love and trust
Wonderful people
This feels retro - like 50 years old 😊
or 500 years
I gobble up all of your documentaries such awesom reporting ..this episode was very sad makes me wonder who wrote the bible an could the translation be wrong?
I definitely believe it's in the translation...
In the bible, it also says that God will never forsake us. It doesn't say only the ppl that are heterosexual. All I do know for sure is that God loves us ALL💯 🫡
The Bible was written 70-90 years after the “ resurrection” of Jesus ,by the apostles and revised hundreds of times. Think about that.
Glad I'm an atheist.
Took me 45 years to come out of the faith. I’ve never known such peace. Glad I’m an atheist.
Amen
Well, God created you, He gave you everything you have and He loves you even though you deny Him. Believe me, girl, the problem is not with God, but with the wrong idea people have about Him. One day you will be greatful for all you have received from him instead of judging Him for ignoring his Love and his Work.
@@lolok4 my parents created me.
@@taffyalusa4642 they did, in 15 minutes they created all your cells, your brain, your blood, your soul 😅 wow! I wish I was as powerful as your parents! They really did a masterpiece and created an amazing human machine! Good job! 👏
But im a cheerleader!
love this
If there not against gay people they why force them to change themselves and telling them they cant be christine and believe in god if there gay
They're
I believe Allen when he speaks. He's telling the truth.
Why is the bibble so confusing? Too much interpretations? Are the rest of the holy books out there as confusing on this sexuality topic?
There is a lot of history on the origins of the Bible if you dig deep enough into history. One of the reasons for the confusion is because it’s based upon theft of a culture that came WAAAAAY before. For instance, the 10 commandments is inspired by the declarations Of Ma’at, which is a part of ancient African culture. Also, the Bible and Christianity hasn’t been around since the dawn of humanity (which began with the African woman 3 million years ago). It was created only less than 10 thousand years ago during a society of total mayhem and murder known as The Dark Ages. The Cross is a torture device, one of many invented by this peculiar society based in Europe.
It’s simple and this information is right in the introduction of the Bibles: there are 2 laws: Moses’ law and god’s law. Moses law was for the Hebrew of his time and it is no longer in use. Gods law is eternal. Moses law tells us to stone the sinners. Gods law tells us to love one another and not judge our brothers. Moses tells us not to sleep with someone of the same gender; Jesus says nothing about it. He only tells us to love one another as he has loved us.
I wish Christian happiness. Great self awareness missing with so many today.
His name is "Christian" and he never went into a church until he was like 19 or 20? How does that make sense? 🧐
OH MY THE DENIAL !!!!! 🙄🙄
Is this the same Michael from the movie I Am Michael .
Being a Christian is not about you, it's all about God and becoming a new creation in Christ. If a person struggles with alcohol, is that just how God made him, and he can never change? Alcoholics Anonymous says absolutely not.
I wonder where Christian is today??
It's not a choice for them anymore than it was for you. Did you have to make a pro and con list between the pretty cheerleader and the captain of the football team? I doubt it. That CHOICE was made for you and them at birth. ITS NOT A CHOICE.
😂😂😂😂 This poor man. "God did not give man the spirit of fear".
Sad very sad !
Deliverance is key 🙏🏾
What does that mean?
What a load of horse hockey.....
It's LIE with mankind and womankind, not LAY!! Far out...
Finding masculinity in yourself is in itself a desire. I think it's beautiful
Hi Lisa , i m martin lim fr Malaysia. Really love your videos. How's your dad?
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound Romans 6:1
God's intent and our intent is not the same thing, thief or adulterer or drunkard, His way is beyond our ways, but they require us to be upright in heart. That is what your following not the conflicts of interest that are nestled within false male expectation.
This is some sort of joke right?
Oh come on!
The delusion.
This sounds limiting to desires.
It’s damaging to limit yourself.
Resistance = insanity
Ignorance = insanity
Don’t listen to any of this incorrect news.
“…ONLY SIX?…”. WHAT? HOW MANY IS ENOUGH? 😡😡😡
Amen! I posted an almost identical comment.
@@lookinglistening09 For him who belives, no proof is necessary but for him who does not none is sufficient 🤓
@@thomism1016actual proof would be sufficient.
Did Jesus write them thought ?
@@audemm699no he did not!
Do I desire Christ or man? Isn't Christ intrinsically male?
and gay to ?????? Only Boys
God is a spirit not man only Jesus came in the form of a man
@@susanmcpherson4591 God (all Gods) its man made !!
I feel pity for all people whose brains have been washed with religion's humbug...but as long as they don't want to force their superstitions on me and interfere in my life...I don't care.
As Spinoza said, as long as there are stupid people, religions, sects and cults will exist...unfortunately
It is a matter of casting out those demons
And turning into the devil to make sure he’s the only one that loves you
Heheee...
Is it a sin to be born with Klinefelters Syndrome?
We live in a depraved world... God have mercy on their souls...
Lisa’s “six verses” and “few verses” rhetoric is devious. How many verses does she need?
God word is clear God loves people but hate sin and yes until you have been delivered from your sin you cannot enter into heaven so people need to stop changing God word
Ridiculous!
Disgusting documentary. I hope it’s banned.
Is you mad? It was unbiased.
What? Why I really don't understand.
Someone’s triggered or in the closet
I hope one day you are comfortable with yourself.
What is your problem? Please be specific.