3 day DIY- NO Dig Deck day 1 of 2
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2020
- How to build a floating, no dig composite deck- in just 3 days. DIY style step by step deck building & construction guide, with details on framing, hand rails -everything.
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Fast,cheap,good. I see you have chosen the first 2
Right, because the clients budget never plays a roll in design.
I have always loved and respected your videos, but this one… I have to make some bad comments on. I am not playing You tube arm chair quarterback here, my comments are from pure experience with more than 30 years in the construction and code inspection business.
There are so many comments I don’t know where to begin….First off, a floating deck does not mean that it should be unsafe. I hope your insurance is paid up because you should have a major claim coming in less that a year. Hopefully no one will be seriously injured when everything about this deck fails.
Its people like your little old buddy and how he builds decks, is why building codes exist.
Just a few things I see:
End screwing each joist is not just as good as hangers…
I guess your buddy has never heard of load spans and load transfers
Wrong lumber used for exterior construction
Nails are required for joist hangers for a reason, because the manufacturer will not be liable when this fails. “I use screws because its easier” is no excuse and is the wrong answer
A rim joist is not a sill plate
There is a reason why the old joists are bowed down. Maybe you should have fixed that problem first with a beam under it
Your framing isn’t even designed to carry the load of the decking
Don’t you feel the bounce of the deck as you walk on it with just a few deck boards? We sure as heck can see it in the video. Get all those deck boards on and put 10 people on it and lets see how long before the deck collapses.
I would bet that when Skil sees this video, they will file a lawsuit for you to take their name off the video as a sponsor.
I am so glad I downloaded this video for my next “how not to do” training before it gets taken down
Cant wait to see how the stairs and railings get screwed up and how he saves money on just using deck screws (instead of required bolts) for railings and posts.
It’s definitely pretty shoddy.. normally I’d be the one to tell people not to be so judgey, but codes are codes but sometimes they are extreme, my only contest to what you said is the “required” bolts, it’s code, yes, it’s also overkill and unnecessary, if you block the post in well and use lots of screws that post will never move for the lifetime of the deck
WeedThePeople I didn’t say anything about that, but I’ll explain. A regular framing type screw will sheer off (in theory) a lot easier than a nail of the same size. Although this is assuming you load it up with its maximum load which I pretty much guarantee will never happen with this deck
OntarioRedneXXX I don’t think codes are ever “extreme”. More like they don’t cover all possible use-cases. So sometimes we need to be creative. But the alternative solution should be just as good as the code, or even more extreme, because we have to prove it is just as good.
So if we don’t have a certified engineer who did the exact math, we better overbuild it above code, if we are not building by the book.
Cutting corners (like in this video) is not acceptable.
OntarioRedneXXX ,
Ok, that is something l never imagined would occur between a screw which would never come loose, vs. ALL nails which always pull away. So, l am thankful to have learned about that part. I read that screws are made a whole lot different in recent years and that Sampson ties makes a construction screw for the very purpose as is being discussed here. I would have to look into it. Good to read your comments, it helps me to see the forest from the trees. ✌🏼
Zoltan there’s definitely some corners being cut here, but I was just referring to the requirement to bolt posts, the loosest posts I’ve ever seen were bolted, the tightest ones I’ve ever seen were screwed and blocked in. Just because it’s code doesn’t mean there isn’t a different way that works just as well with less expensive fasteners
Frankie is definitely "old school" which isn't bad BUT, he should have used joist hangers on BOTH ends. There is NO sheer strength in screws! That is a HUGE failure waiting to happen. I pray that it won't but, I can't even tell you how many scenes I went to in 27 yrs as a Firefighter, involving collapsed decks due to inadequate securing of all types. No harm in going back and adding them!
Yea and you aren't saving much money from not using joists. Not much time too. It's not built to last
Lou Roberts Today’s structural screws are vastly stronger than even just a decade or two ago, they can handle a lot. But I agree, I haven’t seen any approval from authorities, so we can’t be sure that they are THAT strong.
I’m building my deck entirely using wood-on-wood connections, the screws are only for keeping things straight and correct angles. I checked a few decks in the neighborhood for inspiration, and like 70% of them are “old school”, not up to todayks code. And almost all of them have wobly (notched) rail posts, and the joists are peeling away from the rim joist (nails are not good there either).
The decks built in the last decade are all good, because the code is better. And none of them are “old school”.
If we are talking about building structures, old school is bad. Codes are becoming more strict for a reason.
@@juzoli while this is true these are not structural screws. They are just 3" deckmate deck screws. He said so at the beginning.
I use nails, structural screws, and hangers in my decks. Structural screws for the band and all posts. 16 penny nails everywhere in between. I nail my joists from the outside, before the outer band goes on, (much like he is saying but with nails) but then go back after and throw some hangers on there. It takes all of about 20 minutes with a joist hangers gun.
Little trick, instead of notching the whole board for bolt or lag heads, hold board in place on top of bolts, hit with hammer to make bolt head impression on back side. Take forstner bit and drill to head depth.
now thats smart lol.
Well... When you build a deck directly on top soil...
Yup, hack job deck. I'd never admit to building that in person, nevermind on RUclips.
Crazy, crazy work gentlemen! Thank you for sharing!
Should have been posted on April fools day.
I respect your work and instruction on your videos, as well as your opening disclaimer. However you should pull this DIY or not. Work like this is exactly why there are building codes.
It’s going to rot. That is white pine, nothing pressure treated about that
If you’re looking for an excuse to get paid to use tools, at least build something safe. That’s a death trap. I learn so much from your videos but this one makes me question your judgement.
A Very, very important detail at 17:35 that makes ALL of the different mistakes they made trivial. 😂 Such a funny comment Stanley! That’s the most basic thing that EVERYONE should already have known. But you overlooked all of the different important stuff 😂 on how to build a deck!
i have built a few composite decks and i wont be using it on my own house. Direct sunlight makes this stuff hot to point you can cook an egg on it and sunlight is all i have, Ceder stays nice and cool, but its needs care over the years. i always frame with pressure treated no matter the decking. composite deck will hold the cold from the night and condensate in the morning to the point you will see water under it. hope ya don't see issues with that in a few years.
I got a deck I'm going to build and I figured that composite stuff got hot. I never hear anyone say it so I started thinking about it. Thank you for keeping me away from a problem. I'm like you I have straight sunlight where its going.
Cornelius Shaw No one will tear down and rebuild a deck because it is hot, so you will not hear the complaints, only if you live with them.
What I did is I got a few samples of composite at my local lumber yard, and put it on the ground where I’m building the deck on a hot day. I compared how hot they are, and ... I chose cedar instead, because that was not something I would step on.
Also no matter how they advertise composite as “it has wood fiber in it so it looks like wood”, it is only true on photos. In real life it still looks plastic, only it has wood-like grain cut into its surface.
But no-maintenance is very appealing as well, so many people choose composite...
It’s so stinkin slippery! I know someone who ate it cause they set up a ladder on it. I’ll never use it either. It may last longer than wood but the framing underneath still won’t last any longer either
Cornelius Shaw ,
Glad l read his comment too. Same reasons.
Stan I would recommend taking this video down and scrubbing it from your history. This deck is garbage, no offense. Don’t leave this video up as if it’s a tutorial.
Thank you! This method works for a 10x10 deck that’s a foot off the ground. It’s a shame to use the pricey composite decking and cut corners under them.
Its looks like regular lumber. Not even pressure treated
Great tutorial! Just change the title to "how not to build a deck" and you're good to go!
LMAO
Simpson makes a screw purpose made for use in place of nails.
Unfortunately, this entire deck is being constructed incorrectly. Why would any company sponsor a video where building codes are not being followed? Perhaps they haven't watched it yet. If I were Skil, I would regret sponsoring this video. You always stress the importance of doing a job correctly for longevity, however this job is not reflecting your advice.
You didn’t even watch the video. He clearly states there’s no building codes in northern Minnesota for floating decks.
Not safe
Not trying to hate, learn a lot from this channel. But is that regular wood getting used for joists outside? Lol I see you only used treated wood on posts and steps.
Great job 👌
I either WAY overbuilt my floating deck or this is deck is going to fail. Hate seeing someone spend good money on nice composite decking and have a frame like this under it, they should have spent their money on the frame. I've seen their other deck videos in which they correctly build a deck so I'm guessing the customer just wanted it done cheap.
Can't wait to see how they complete the railing...
This was great to watch and love your property with the lake!
I agree. When i saw the lake...That was a nice view ! That new patio will be enjoyed for sure !
They lake will look better when floating on it with this deck when it collapses.
This is the “I know a guy who don’t need no permit” guy. End screwing joists through the end grain with screws that have poor tensile strength. I wonder how many have already broken?
He needs to get rid of that old guy.. multiple episodes he has no idea what he's doing
@@acer72cdn He knows what he's doing - it's just what was acceptable 30 years ago isn't acceptable anymore.
@@m2hmghb so does that not mean he doesn't know what he's doing? They changed what was accepted 30 years ago because it no longer worked. Lol
@@m2hmghb Probably this
Why use it on one end but not the other? Lazy
When Frankie was talking about how putting 3 screws through the face of the board is as good as a joist hanger I just shut down. Not only do joist hangers support a LOT more weight then 3 screws they also prevent twisting of the boards - which screws won't do. Sorry man it looks good - but the quality is crap.
m2hmghb Absolutely. Aside from all the other flaws people have mentioned, how does saving money by eliminating 20 additional joist hangers make any sense? Someone is going to get hurt.
@@DK85 exactly you save barely any money or time ... What's the point
Do as I say not as I do. Or in Frankie's case, don't do as I say OR as I do because "Code will tell you to do both sides [with joist hangers] but I think it's a waste of time." 🤦♂️
Exactly. Two or three 16 penny nails there for rough framing THEN go back and put hangers on with joist hanger nails. Screws go vertical never horizontal. ( except for structural screws but that's a different conversion.)
Why didn’t you use pressure treated are you staining it painting?
I've seen this done and had to tear them down. They rot in 5ish years.
Untreated does not last even if painted or stained
Davy Lampley I agree!
Why aren’t you guys using pressure treated lumber it will last if you do
I always learn something form your videos
Hopefully you learned 100 things to never do when building a deck
It's no wonder the original deck sagged. It looks like 2x6 joists on a 10' or more span. I hope you're going to install a mid span beam to keep the newly added deck section from sagging over time.
I was really wondering that. I was like those have to be at least 2x8s for that span but when I rewatched the beginning he said 2x6. I was like well that will be sagging real quick in MN with some nice snowload.
I believe the max span on 2x6 is supposed to be 8’ on exterior and even the it’s kinda pushing it. They definitely need a beam down the middle
@@Beandiptheredneck In the second part of this video, it was stated that a mid span beam will be installed after the whole deck settles into its final place.
bwillan so after it’s bowed and sagged?? That’s dumb.. I’m not gonna bother watching the second half. I like his landscaping stuff but this deck it terrible
One of the first things Frankie said is great advice " You Might wanna check with your local building codes" Do that before you build a deck and your gold!
I've never seen a floating deck before. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Love the Frankie video's....Thumbs up!
I have done 2 on my house, first one lasted about 25 years, but I dug the post 4ft down in sand also.
The last one now is 6 x 18
The good news is, there will be another video in a few years on “how not to build a deck”.
No pressure treated, no tico(galvanized)(8 pennies) nails, and it’s called a rim joist not a sill plate...
Fun to watch!
2:30 that shovel Frankie is using looks bananas. Wonder how comfortable it is using, things ppl don’t really think about when buying till AFTER the first 1-2 hrs of use; & then wishing they bought the better shovel 😉
There should be a follow up video each year to see how the deck is doing. A couple of videos then.
Hippo Campus It will probably be done by another youtuber while tearing down its remainings:D
Can see you are us8mg all the new shiny Skil tools they came out with this year. Wouldn’t mind seeing a vid, talking about these tools 6-12 months after using with your thoughts etc....
Just had to add this, & didn’t feel like “editing” first comment.
Cheers Stan & Frankie✌🏼
These guys keep home inspectors in business. True, a non-attached deck has no code requirements but not dying from unsafe construction techniques seems nice. Without frost-free footings that deck will move all over. But that doesn’t matter because it will collapse from undersize framing, lack of deck hangers, and lack of joist hanger nails. These guys are dangerous as well as stupid. They make lawyers rich.
OK Karen
@@SK-dj9nd It's hilarious listening to all these hall monitors lose their fucking minds.
If that deck slides down to the water, you'll have a huge raft.
When, not if.
Always go bigger lol. If you were trying to squeeze aboard tight you can also use a dummy board( Screw it vertical on the Joyce close to the board you need to tighten the gap and pull it to you. you guys did a great job on The deck. Love these type of videos please keep them coming.
This looks like the decks we tear down to build a real one. Where do I start?
I feel the same, very confused why it's not PT and how he's leveling everything with a 2ft Just stop
Give it about 14 months then put an estimate in the mail 🤣
Is that framing lumber, not pressure treated?? I'd use hangers on both ends personally
I agree but I would rather have a double or triple gurter with a 2 ft overhang
Pressure treated wood ?
No kidding
That's what I was going to say should be treated kdat and ledger lock screws and galvanized hangers your tecos are galvanized but hangers are not so many other wrongs go watch Nailed it CRC channel
that's for noobs
I actually clicked this thumb nail of the video because I saw them building with out Pressure treated. I wanted to see what it was all about. Strange.
White 🌲
Oh and I like the deck good job keep this video up. not everybody is trying to build a expensive deck this is a perfect Do It Yourself video.
We have two Simplex 1018 railroad jacks, and let me tell you, they're worth their weight in gold.
Like these kind of videos, thanks Stan.
You shouldn’t have put this video up. Stable soil but no base material under your load bearing concrete block, deck screws with no sheer resistance for load. Easier is laziness and has created a liability for you and put whoever walks on that deck in danger. This is embarrassing.
STFU Bob the builder 😂 🤣! It’s a sturdy deck yes it will probably sink after a decade due to sitting on the dirt and soil shifts so that should of been done better!
Also support hangers on the other end of the deck other than that be a decent lasting sturdy deck that’s not way over priced by a douche contractor like you probably are 😂
You’re also asking a lot spanning a 2x6 being only end nailed.
End screwed*** even worse
“Skill sponsored this video” - heck yeah. Interested to see how their cordless saws, etc, do in the field.
i have many tools from the 20v line and ive found the pwrcore brushless ones are amazing and the 20v max ones are so/so (with the exeption of the vacuum) ive been killing my impact, circ saw, recip saw, and sds drill for the past few weeks on a demo job and they hold their own adainst the dewalt and rigids, especially for the price. what were you intrested in buying?
Skil is crap. Milwaukee -DeWalt or bosch. Makita died and so did porter cable.
@@acer72cdn if he had the budget for those i doubt he would be serius about skil. also, the skil 18v and most corded was junk, but the new battery line 12 and 20v featuring tthe pwrcore batteries and tools is shockingly well built especially for the price. the sales reps themselves admit to the shoddy reputation of skils past and promise a new leaf, if they werent serius about that they wouldnt have a presence in trade shows or bother to do things like sponsor videos.
I am the one who wants to build an un-attached deck , so l am watching this with interest.
Glad l read all the comments afterwards. Gave me new information l never thought to research on.
I thank you all for your comments and now l know why l don’t want to build any deck, any longer. 🙋🏻♂️
“Sorry, honey, too many guests might lose life and limb and decks should never be used as a floating river raft without life vests.”🤦🏻♀️
I had no idea you guys still work weekends. I figured you had your schedule so mapped out that you didn't have to work weekends.
There will be a pretty good bounce to that deck.
This is not good. You talk about how other contractors try to avoid having an engineerd wall by terracing it and then you try to cheat so you dont open a whole new "code of books, book of codes" i learned a lot from your walls videos but this is a bad quality deck!
This deck will collaps away from the house, i see no bracing on the new addition. The span on the 2x6 is way to long.
Im currently building a deck my self and decided i would check this video out, and was suprised that you would post this, looking at the comment section im not the only one.
I agree the span is huge...
Too many issues with this pos to list! Lol! I still can’t believe he posted this. I’m embarrassed for him
Connecting to the house was the only thing that made codes relevant. He clearly states there’s no codes for floating decks in that area.
Who the old school way of doing a deck. I wish we could still do it this way, save a everyone money.
Stan that deck is scary talk about cutting corners don’t have a large group of people on the deck it will fail not if but when. I could see no footings or attaching to your cabin if only a few inches off ground still not correct way but at least not going to get injured.
Definitely treated lumber. Add support to both old and new deck in the center and direct bury outside post 32" with concreate. Thats just me. Also keep stanley away from chain saws. Lol!
The idea is to save money in permits. I would definitely do it much different though with the height being what it is. Ground level would be different.
no using pressure treated? Also flip the old joist over so that the bow is going up instead of sagging.
Far enough from the ground to not require pressure treated
@@jefflinnell8492 that doesnt matter, moisture will sit between the joist and deck boards and rot. It even rots pressure treated, but much slower.
@@jakef1998 they make a flashing tape for the tops of the joists also.I agree it will rot but PT is not required there .
Jeff Linnell lol the elevation of the lumber doesn’t change the exposure to weather lol. You can’t possible think that way.
@@andrewfenner919 once again .i do not agree and I always use pressure treated for the decks we build but the code books do not require pressure treated lumber over a certain distance from finish grade. Google it .not sure what your arguing with me about , I have stated that many times .my only point is the the code book does not require it if it is a certain distance from the ground. You can easily use the flashing tape that is available to even the general knowledge guys that you apply to the top of the joist before installing decking .
I bought the skil brushless set and love it especially for the price . In my opinion skil brushless is by far the best in it's class
@Hello Drew how are you doing
Would never build a deck this way Been doing construction for over 10 yrs and my father over 40 I know your trying to get away from the permits and codes but this is not the right way to build a deck and do not recommend anyone building a deck this way I love the channel and have learned a lot for landscaping
Deck screws are brittle so can snap when used for structural joints. There are screws that look the same but are structural rated. Hopefully you used structural screws and just called them deck screws.
I understand being on a budget,but what you saved on framing lumber you spent on composite decking.
Are You using Pressure Treated Wood? If that is regular pine, it going to rot "real quick" and will not last.... Not just building it right, but using the right materials too.
This deck won’t have time to settle it will rot. And using interior screws.
At least not drywall screws!
The zinc plated screws are actually correct for this application relative to the lumber type. The brown or green coated screws are meant to be used with pressure treated which will eat into the zinc ones
Frank should have used a chisel at 14:03 to remove the cut wood.
Can we get a follow up video on how the deck looks today?
Why no pressure treated wood? That deck probably won't last to long, but it was cheaper nice video
I was wondering the same thing? Especially not bolting the new structure to the building?
@6:45 "we're in northern Minnesota where building codes don't actually exist" ...stay there because you'll never make it a carpenter where they do. Hack job and a half that will need replaced in 5 years
I actually give it 7-10. They don't get as severe of weather up there.
Even in Australia were there is zero frosting or snow dump risk this deck would get you before the building tribunal in a heartbeat it's just such a shitty go at building a deck almost as if they read a manual on industry standards and just did the opposite
www.dli.mn.gov/business/codes-and-laws/2020-minnesota-state-building-codes
Trigger Troy I absolutely love the way you Australians speak and even type 😂 hello from up in canada. This isn’t any less acceptable here lol
These guys should have watched the many other videos on RUclips that show how to properly build a deck
The decking and steps should be picture framed so you can’t see the end grain.
That is the least of this deck issues
Uh..... yall using just regular wood? Treated wood is what was needed, that untreated wood is not gonna last very long and will twist, cup, split and crack in the weather.
Think the original deck has a couple years left. So probably just a cheaper wood to get them by until it's time to rip everything out and spend the big money on the new set up
@@demikpre nah, if that were the case he wouldn't have put the composite decking on it. That stuff is SUPER expensive.
and the freakin bees and wasps love em
This is like a master carpenter building a 10 foot high retaining wall with 8” landscaping bricks from Home Depot. It might hold the dirt the first week but it won’t stand up for any real amount of time.
Seriously find a good RUclips carpenter and have them help you recut this with why it is dangerous. You will probably get more views on that video.
Dat dude be gettin in Frankie's way
You have to use pressure treated wood and Simpson joist hangers with Simpson structural screws not deck screws and put a beam under it doesn't coast much.
How did you get skill to sponser your build?
What hammer does frankly have with the pitch marks on it? I need one haha
End screws are not safe , the posting is unsafe u will have a few friends over the deck will fail and you will hurt friends and lawsuits
As always ,interesting as are the comments.
Hey the title says How to Build a Deck in 3 days. You built this deck in 22 minutes. You are fast. lol I love it.
Hole saw around the bolt maybe? Instead of the notch?
The name of this video should be how to build a totally unsafe deck , Stan u are a great guy and business man and landscaper ,but please take this video down ,this is going to get people hurt ,this deck is so built wrong , under built and totally unsafe , please people do not I repeat do not do this
I agree with all of that
Yea the spans are too wide and no joist ends...not even pressured treated wood..
Phead128 oh there is way more wrong then that and the pressure treated is the least of it
Looks like the original deck needs to be eventually redone but duck it, they'll get a few/couple more years out of it. The extension probably didn't cost much of anything outside of time. Should be alright until it's time to really spend the money on a whole new set up.
@@demikpre but this is a Skillz sponsored video with Skillz tool donation. Would you want your product be featured on such as a hack job?
Used the wrong screw for the deck boards and the screws all caused a bump?
Preferred more like required!
Learn so much stuff from Frankie. How old is he.
Looks like something a Do it yourselfer would do.
I like the skil 12 volt impact but the batteries can't take a fall
People really didn’t listen to the video. He clearly states there’s no codes in northern Minnesota for floating decks. And I’m sure the customer got what they paid for. He also explained the sandy soil for base blocks instead of buried posts, and that they come back to adjust the deck after it’s settled for a few months. It’s clearly not a gold standard deck, but it’s only under built if he over charged or didn’t inform the client about exactly what they’re getting.
Jackeyed :) !
Why did you notch over the lag bolts instead of using bigger bolts for strength ?
Should have though bolted both plates to the post.
Im having deck replaced now. The pressure treated wood costs 30 per cent more then last year and is in short supply.
Materials have nearly doubled and are is shorty supply due to what all is going on...
Needs pressure treated and joist hangers at both ends. And I would have screwed or bolted ledger board to house. And joist bolted with at least 3/8" through 4x4.
@6:49 "we're in northern Minnesota where building don't actually exist and they build on the principle that if you're going to live in it, you'd better build it right so we follow the rules of retaining walls."...... But if building codes don't exist then how do you know if it's right....
If' I'm not mistaken, the joist should be spaced at 12" o.c. when using the composite decking. Since the decking is so flexible it will tend to sag over time, especially in the warm summer sun.
That’s only a requirement in certain regions if it’s true, in my state we can do up to 19.2” centers with trex material decking
@@spankiedoodlesteve2086 19.2" o.c seems like a wide span for typical trex decking. I guess this varies by the decking manufacturer and the thickness of the deck.
@@natej6671 it is indeed a wide span, I personally would never do it
@@spankiedoodlesteve2086 manufacturer states 16” oc max span for composite decking. The 19.2” centers are more than likely for a wood deck surface instead of composite
@@bamaboy9133 no they allow that span for composites in my region. Yes im aware it goes against manufacturers recommendations. Id never exceed 16” o.c. Anyways
Why do you not picture frame the deck board?
No green treated lumber ?
I cant believe you or skill would allow this video to be on youtube! You always preach do it the right way, but in this instance you talked about doing things properly while cutting numerous corners and worst of all not using treated lumber!
Stick to playing in the sand. You don’t even know the correct terminology. Face screwing in the deck is a joke and a hack move. Use hangers or put a header under the joists. The shear strength of screws is less than nails. You say you have to build a floating deck because code would make you put footings in. Then you go on to say there is no code where your building, witch one is it? You spend the money on composite decking boards but don’t use the hidden fasteners. The you kid at Home Depot could have explained it to you. Putting composite deck boards over non pressure treated lumber is a joke. If your going to make how to videos please know what your talking about.
I’ve seen composite decking where the wrong screws were used. It’s really sad because it looks horrible and you can’t fix it.
most helpful and practical of any out there. thank you
I cant believe how many guys are going on about this being a hack job, come on people its his own place and they did it with left over materials . why ya all got to be so negative, its not like anyone made you watch the damn video is it!
In Minnesota myself twin cities area had no idea northern Minnesota had zero building codes
Hope you have good home owners insurance for the deck party's !
Do they let you keep all those tools?
Is it just me, or are you actually using non pressure treated lumber on an exterior frame?
This is one of the world's deck take it down
RIP to whoever steps on that deck