Radeon 9600 PRO vs Radeon 9800 PRO!
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GPU June is still going and today for our second video we explore the video cards that spawned around the legendary Radeon 9700: the 9600 pro and the 9800 pro.
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This is such an awesome video Bruno, thanks for sharing! I'm really impressed with the 9600 Pro, and the 9800 Pro is absolutely mind-boggling for the era. The fact that it runs Doom 3 so well is just insane to me. I loved your game and benchmark selection too--all classics, and throwing in Matrix was so cool! Both of these cards had such a legendary run and such a fantastic lifespan. I have to say, too, that I really learned quite a lot about these cards, and I always appreciate just how easy to follow your vids are and how much fun they are to watch! The fact that you had to build another system--and pulled this off--is just beyond impressive! Great work as always, my friend! This was such a blast!
Hey man, first of all I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The 9800 just shreads Doom 3, no problem. The 9600 has some slow downs that can probably be settled by reducing effect details, same thing for halo. Quite unfortunate because besides that the card is impressive, but that sets it absolutely to middle ground in price performance. I had som many issues in this video... first I had to take care of the cooling for the 9800 that took a night, trying different solutions. After that I tested everything with the p4 2.4 and saw that there was very little difference from the 9800 so I dropped everything and built the A64 system, lost another night on that. I love this hobbie, but that doesn't mean that it's never stressful haha! It does payout though when I get comments from cool guys like yourself. Have a great week!
Terrific video! Great comparison and I'm finding these lower vs upper range showcases to be really cool. I have a 9700 pro and 9800 pro these days but sadly I didn't get to experience them back in their heyday.
Thanks for watching! I have fun making them. The 9700 and 9800 are rarer everyday. I feel like the 9800 does not get enough love because it wasn't as impactful as the 9700, but right now I believe they are just as hard to get. The 600 series of cards is reliable an usually the sweet spot, not top notch performance but they are usually rock solid. Thanks again! 👍
I'm blown away by the 9800. I have one of these now but back then, like you, had an 8500 for quite a long time. When you started the comparison with Mafia I honestly couldn't tell much of a difference, but when you showed Doom 3 the difference was astounding! What an awesome card - thanks for sharing your findings
Absolutely, the fps number difference in Mafia isn't great, but the game does feel a lot smoother. But on Doom 3 it's just ridiculous. The 9600 takes a big toll from the fireballs. Thanks for watching man, it's really my pleasure.
Your videos are spot on. Watched Pixels vid earlier as well, been a good day 😊 Not many ppl showcase the 9600. I had a 9700pro back in the day, such an amazing time. Do you think you'll do the 9500pro sometime?
Thanks, I'm glad you like it! I'd sure like to get my hands on a 9500, if I do, I'll definitely make a video about it.
Great video Bruno. These cards are amazing and from such a different time. ATi was really the best back then.
And you're absolutely right about the Pentium 4 being a bottleneck. That's the problem I am running into with my X800. The Athlon 64 was definitely the better choice.
As always I'm very happy being able to contribute to our community. Yeah, the P4 is on the money for the 9600 but the 800 cards, they are blazing fast. It was a rush putting that system together and starting tests from zero but I think it payed off. Thanks for watching my friend.
Very nice video!
Thank you Red Star, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Have a great weekend.
Back in those days 30+fps felt soo good lol.
Yeah we would never complain because of sub 30 fps games
Had a 9800 pro and an athlon 64 3000+ over clocked to 2.3 GHz in the day. This video brings back memories!
I'm glad, that's a great system you had there! Similar to what I used in the video. Thanks for watching!
No way I missed you had this video.
Hah, well I'm glad you cought it.
Woah! Blast from the past!
I bought one for400$
Glad you enjoyed it 👍 have fun with your video card 😀
Great cards from their era, I love my Radeon 9600, that card served me great years ago when I used it with Pentium IV 2.8 and ASUS P4P800SE.
They are great cards indeed!
had the Saphire Radeon 9600 Fireblade and the Hercules 9800 Pro and loved both so much!
Great video cards, what a time for gaming and ATI! So cool. Thanks for the comment, have a great week!
9600pro affordable gnu, and nowadays most of time when you find one it works, 9800pro man that was a beast, Nvidia trembled for sure.
Didn't had chance to find one in working condition for cheap but someday it will turn out.
But i do have 9600pro 256mb, it was in my Athlon XP build until motherboard died
Again great video thank you.
I couldn't have said it better. 9800s are a beast, but they are definitely not as long lasting as the 9600. Like that saying, the brighter flame burns quickest.
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Hahah yes that is so true.
Countless time i see people testing bulks of AGP cards and when it came to 9700 / 9800 pro most of times they are dead, and you can just feel disappointment.
But hey at least one FX 5200 will be in that batch and will be working.
Interesting channel. Watching your video, I feel several years younger :>
Thanks! Welcome! If you have any suggestions, don't hesitate to comment!
@@SUCRA Quickly, you could do an episode about overclocking AMD processors with a pencil, or flashing Readeon 9550 to 9600. At one time, these were popular topics in poorer countries
@@ADSLPL Interesting. If I get proper parts for these mods I'll definitely look into it.
9600 was probably ATI's best budget card of all time. Thanks for the video
Yeah, I agree, what a great video card, I had one for while with an athlon XP at the time. And you're very welcome, thanks for watching.
I bought a 9600 pro back in 2003 when I was a sophomore in high school for half life 2. It was a great card, and I saved for months for it.
Indeed! Same here! Not sure what game I was aiming at, but I got it in college after I got really disappointed with a Radeon 9200 se. A thoughtless purchase I made before I knew anything about video cards.
i think the radeon 9700 pro was one of the most powerful cards of all time in relation to the period. The 9800 Pro and XT did not shock the market but only confirmed it.
in 2003 I replaced my GeForce 2 MX with a 256MB Radeon 9600 Pro and it was perfect on my Athlon 1200MHz (Thunderbird) .. shortly after the mainboard broke and I kept it on the next system (Athlon64 3000+ sk754). It has always behaved honestly and I replaced it with a 256GB GDDR3 HD2600XT (always AGP)
congratulations for the videos, more and more interesting!
My path was close to yours! I had a 1.2 mhz thunderbird with a gf4 MX, upgraded to a 9200 and realized it was crap, then moved to a 9600 pro and kept it until I changed platforms to an A64 3.2
Thank you, thanks for watching!
I had bought a geforce 4 ti 4600, but I heard about this later 9700 pro coming out and wish I had heard of it sooner. Because wow was that card amazing. My 4600 was fast, it played doom 3, but it was nothing compared to the awesome power of the 9700 or 9800 pro.
Oh for sure, but you couldn't have predicted it. Looking back it's much easier to see what would have been the best choice. Fun times anyway.
And then there are 9600 Pro cards with 200 MHz memory. And obviously the one I have around is one of those.
But besides that it holds true the *600 was always about half the specs of the *800 in a series. Not just on ATi/AMD but also nVidia.
Also interesting how Aquamark scales. Testing it on my Pentium 3 build I get around 13800 total score and around 1770 GPU score, but which can be increased by a simple driver update to Catalyst 6.3 to reach 17800 and 2270 respectively. And I could see the same 5-10% difference in other tests as well.
Would be interesting to see how the fullly clocekd card and especially the 9800 Pro changes between different drivers and chipsets.
These are interesting observations. So a different driver would probably yield better results. This is something to test in the future. Have a great week!
The last question depends a lot on game development and optimization. Evenoverpowered systems often get on their knees when faced with unoptimized games
Yeah, agreed! I truly love the radeon 9800, so if I had money at the time I would probably have bought one.
Awesome cards, I have the big brother since that time. Sadly, with artifacts.
Oh I agree, great cards. I think the cooling on the 9800 was really unfitted. Most of them today are not doing so great. My card needs a reflow as well, I'm glad it held on through these tests.
Have it fixed by one of these youtube wizards. Or donate it.
i loved my 9800pro! happy days of gaming.
They were so fast at their time
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great video, but the original 9800 pro only had 128mb of ram, the 256mb version came out later and had low sales
Indeed it did. I think the bad part is that most of them didn't survive.
Far cry is the reason I bought a 9800pro back in January of 2004! My older card couldn’t play it! You would walk a few feet and it would stop then a second or two you would move then repeat!
Far Cry was ground breaking. I still like to play it to this day.
9600 series was most favorite especially the (XT) version it was very populair among gamers back then :)
True, great cards. Here you could find many pros, but not as many XTs. Thanks for watching!
@@SUCRA as always i love your enthiusiasm towards pc hardware also i noticed that u have a weak spot for retro console's bro :) and also apreciate the fact that u have an crt so yeah kudos for that too :D
Haha thanks man, what can I say, I'm terribly enthusiastic about PCs and games 😂
@@SUCRA my man! :)
Production process of the RV350 was @130nm
You're absolutely right, I don't know how that slipped passed me. 150nm is what the R300 from the 9700 and 9500 cards used.
That's very typical problem for later AGP cards, it was bottlenecked by CPU and it was not dual core time yet, so these high end cards like Radeon 9800 or even later cards could not show their full potential if you didn't have something like Athlon 64 3500+ or some very rare Pentium 4 with more than 3 GHz or you had to overclock it. It's even more visible on the last generation of AGP cards, even cards like GeForce 6800 were already bottlenecked by Pentium 4, but there were even 7600GT and 7800GT and later even Radeon 3850 or 4650 and you just don't see any difference in games or when you OC that GPU and motherboards with combination of dual core (like some with socket 939) and AGP slot were really rare or find compatible dual core was problem, it was even worse with socket 775 where some motherboards with AGP slot existed, but many of them still were able to detect only Pentium 4.
From today point of view, I think producers of GPUs were supposed to cut off support for AGP slot in 2005 completely and screw that, it was everything pointless, you was just wasting money by upgrading something which can not be upgraded. If I knew how pointless it was, I would build computer with core 2 duo sooner instead of trying to buy several overpriced AGP cards before I realized it's pointless. You can overclock Pentium 4 to 4 GHz and it still can't catch even on 1.8 GHz C2D with one core disabled. 😀
That makes total sense. I did manage to build a c2d test platform for these later agp video cards, I have it on a newer video. It's not ideal and I think at one point it still bottlenecks a tiny bit because of memory performance on the old chipset, but it goes much further than the p4 here for sure.
@@SUCRA I also finally got motherboard which can Core 2 Duo and has AGP slot, but after few weeks of testing GPUs, I don't actually know what to do with that, that HW makes no sense, it's just something nostalgic for me because I had AGP card until 2008, so retro computers has to have AGP card, or it's too modern to call it a retro. 😀 When I put the best available AGP card there (HD4650 from 2008), it has like 8000 points in 3D Mark 2005, when I test some normal 2008 PCI-e GPU, I have like 20 000, so it just doesn't make any sense for retro gaming from that period of time for games like Crysis to use AGP card. My life would be totaly different now if I switched to PCI-e earlier. :-D
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I HAD BOTH
ATI VERSION SMOOTGER
SAPHIRE NEEDED TO WARM UP IN THE GAME 5 MIN. THEN IT FLEW
Hum interesting. I never heard about this warm up business. I'll have to do some tests.
YES SAME FOR ANOTHER FRIEND YOU FELT IT
IN THE 9800PRO SAPHIRE
NOT THE 9600 PRO FROM ATI. IT WAS ALWAY SMOOTH FROM THE GET GO..
9600PRO NO POWER
9800PRO REQUIRED POWER CONNECTER.
While not as good as the 9500 Pro, the 9600 Pro was still a very nice mainstream card and didn't require external power, which could have been an inconvenience for some people otherwise.
Yes! Moving from the 9200 (64 bit) to the 9600 to me in the 2000s was incredible. It was impossible to get these higher tier cards with student money so I was very happy with mid range, I still am really.
There is big performance uplift from 9600 to 9800. Looks like in some cases the 9600 pro isn't really playable in some games. To me it would be worth the price tag👍
Hey man, thanks for watching. The 9600 pro is an awesome card, really, very reliable and it does pull out the frames, the problem is I used high settings for it mostly to show case the 9800 pro's impressiveness. That said if you can play with lower details on the effects the 9600 pro is really an awesome card and totally worth the price tag. Have a great week my dude.
Why does the PCB of the "9600" say 9550?
Actually it's 9600pro/9550. There is a model of the 9550 that uses the same PCB.
9800 pro 128mb vs 9600xt 256mb?
Both pros here
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haha!
Can you show us how to assemble a second-hand rusty cryptocoin mining rig?
Seu comédia KKK.
I remember peoppe adamantly saying the 9600 pro was better cause of the higher clock speed
Oh wow, that didn't age well 😆 but yeah, people say all kind of stuff don't they? 👍
@@SUCRA double all the oncore specs but nooo the 20 mhz higher clock speed is what people said made it better, the 9600 xt had double the clockspeed for vram and I remember people saying it was THE value king
@@troglodude980 the 128 bit 9600s were undoubtedly good value for the money. That doesn't mean they weren't destroyed by the 9800 though
@@SUCRA oh undoubtedly my geforce4 ti 4800 got absolutely mogged by my buddies new 9600 xt, but what I mean is everyone though the value was like with the geforce4 ti 4200 vs 4600, 200 dollar difference for like 10 fps and if you were lucky you could oc to the 4600's stock clocks and get really close performance
@@troglodude980 the GF ti's we're always so premium. Even their packaging was better I think. I love the GF4 ti's.
Too much of a bottleneck? A P4 3.0GHz was top dog when his card was released so a 2.4 is not really that cart, or is it?
Yep, that test system with the P4 @2.4 Mhz was a big bottleneck. Performance of the 9800 was very close to the 9600 pro on it.
9600 pro, shows whats clearly a 9550.....
Hah. I have multiple 9550s, non of which are in this video. I see why you might be confused though. The PCB has 9600 pro / 9550 printed beside the cooler, and the cooler itself is covering part of the lettering. Well, rest assured, it's a 9600 pro.