The video turned out great! Really interesting results seeing the the Phenom II X4 965 so close to the C2E QX9650. Always within two or three frames and the PII is WAY easier to find!
I had problems with all possible MB manufacturers, it's not only about AsRock or MSI is bad, all of them had problems, all of them had worse and better boards. But I very miss my AsRock socket 478 motherboard which I had until 2008, it was cheap micro ATX board, but I had so many fun with that build, I finished even Crysis on that.
I found the opposite..I had expensive brand boards but my cheap asrock an jetway boards had as many options an ran an clocked better...my asrock sktA mobo with dual ch ddr1 at 500mzh had memory thruput that left DDR2 in the dust 5gbs a sec thruput. I never had a DDR2 come even close until DDR 3 starts to appear an closed that gap....an it was a via chipset too😮
@@foxxy46213 VIA KT880? VIA KT880 actually had worse mem performance than nF2 Ultra 400. So those sticks with an nF2 board would probably be even better! I had an ECS 755-A2 2004 on 754 with an SiS755 that clocked stupidly high with a Sempron 2800+. 2.1GHz stock voltage in windows. 1.6 stock. Later I bought an EPoX EP 8HDAI Pro VAI K8T880 and it clocks slightly worse. Even though it should be a more premium board.
I was surprised how there were such late AGP boards. I was happy when I found an AM2 motherboard MSI K9MM-V. I’ve never seen a C2D with AGP for sale in my country. I do have a Socket 775 AGP board but it only takes Celeron D and Pentium D not C2D.
I was looking for decent 775+AGP board in good condition for years here in Czech Republic without result, but then I found nice Facebook group about retro hardware and those people there have everything, you just ask "I need XYZ" and someone immediately says "I have it, it's yours for 10 eur" 😀 When you ask for a nuclear bomb, I guess someone will say "I have it, give me your adress, I will send it" 😀
wow! exactly what I have always wanted to do. I have a lot of AGP graphic cards stored in a box, I've always wanted to couple them with dual-core CPUs, and the best choice is LGA775 motherboards, some early versions have AGP connector
Nice video! Coincidentally, I managed to snatch this elusive Asrock ALiveDual-eSATA2 from ebay two weeks ago. Installing windows xp on it right now, while watching your video. I am also planning to try and see if I can get it to work with w98.
Thank you, oh realy.. Haven't seen it. Good catch 👍 I also have one, but got it after I did the video. Don't forget the gart drivers. Otherwise you agp will run at pci speeds only 😉
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Thanks for the tip👍. I'm testing the board with a x1950 pro PCIe at the moment, so I haven't run into that issue yet😁. At a later stage I will test it with my agp cards.
Impressive work and nice presentation. Such retrospective and cpu-scaling topics are always very interesting to watch. Coincidentally, today I have picked my barely used AGP HD 3850 just as a historical piece.
Nice video man as always. By far my fav is the AM2NF3 I've been preferring it over the 4coredual. I own 2 4coreduals , 939sata2 , AM2NF3 VSTA. For 4coredual I recommend Pentium E5800 (there like £3 delivered) and volt modding it 2 pads on CPU need to be bridged to set 1.35v vcore then it will perfectly run at 4ghz. Some will do it at stock volts. 939 dual sata 2 can be volt modded with a simple pad bridge on the top of the board which unlocks additional voltage steps. the 89w Athlon X2s are the best to get for this board as they Overclock well. As for the AM2NF3 Vsta I run a 965 BE at 4ghz with CL4-4-4-12 memory 800mhz PSA for anyone who gets these boards. Replace the caps there garbage and will stop the board from posting especially the memory caps.
considering the AMD board can take up to 16gb of 1066mhz ddr2 and the intel board can only take 2gb 667mhz ddr2 ( 4gb with a bios mod ) I think the PII platform is a much better option IMO, as they go point for point in CB R15 yet has tonnes more ram & cheaper parts ( so you can OC the balls off the chips without giving a fook ).
A great video; I'm glad your XGI Volari duo video was recommended. Having previously worked for Pegatron for almost a decade in the late 00s+ (transitioning from an ASUS employee in the split into ASUS, Pegatron, and Unihan), I have a bit of a soft spot for ASRock boards, even if my feelings on Pegatron itself as a company are more love/hate. I have admit that I've become biased and only buy ASUS or ASRock when buying new equipment because I know what to expect with engineering choices, quality, and post-purchase RMA/repair support...though with older, out-of-warranty equipment I'm much more flexible. Still, I do personally use an ASRock 775Dual-VSTA with E6700 and x800 Pro as one of the XP gaming PCs I actually fully keep together. I do still have an ASRock K8 Combo that might need work if I recall correctly, but I think that's all of the pre-x79 ASRock boards I still have, since I had to reduce my collection down a fair amount a few years ago...I probably still have a few dozen x58 and older ASUS boards though with a small splattering of newer ones. It's cool to see these transitional ASRock boards being used for testing. Like Nathan from PixelPipes said, choosing a board for absolute top-end performance does definitely require a different set of criteria than for just random "retro" gaming (I'm in this boat these days since the last 5-6 years, and I do nearly zero tweaking anymore); but also for testing, diagnostics, and repair at a large-scale the criteria for choosing a motherboard for test-bench purposes is also different with overall motherboard reliability, PCI-E slot power delivery consistency, VRM quality, etc being highly important along with motherboard return and failure rate statistics being highly useful (though generally unavailable publicly), yet something like a board using a reinforced PCI-E slot doesn't really matter because insertion/removal cycles are so high in a production-style environment that reflowing and/or replacing slots frequently due to gold fingers not making effective contact with the pins is just a matter of course no matter the quality of the slot material.
Nice to hear one of my videos got recommended. Didn't think that would happen 😁 oh the k8 combo. I'm on the lookout for those.. Asrock did some crazy stuff. Cool the hear from someone who acctualy worked in the industry!
Ah, good old Asrock. Of the motherboard manufacturers they're my favourite to collect, especially those of the transitional era. I have only one ALiveDual-eSATA2 board, if I had a second I'd sell it to Nathan but I haven't found another. That was a very clever WTB ad he put up in your video lol, good luck to him.
🤩Very cool! I like the way you present the components in your videos, also you have an impressive collection of goodies I really like that, and I wish you good luck with your RUclips channel and your retro hardware collection!
ASRock has always been great with the oddball boards. The last one I remember was the H170 Combo that sported both DDR3 and DDR4 slots (can only use one or the other type tho). I would love to see them do more weird things but sadly it seems they are more focused on competing in the high end these days. Who knows, maybe they will do more oddball stuff in the future.
Great work mate, I own from 2020 an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA, coupled with a Phenom 2 955BE clocked to 4,0ghz like your! Paired with the Radeon HD3850 512MB it is a beast system! Pity that Windows Xp Pro Sp3 only support maximum of 3gb of RAM!
Awesome video! makes me want to build a rig now with my Asrock 939dual-sata2 board with the AM2CPU board to see how the Athlon X2 5xxx+ series fare with a Radeon HD3850 :-)
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Oh yes :-) sold one years ago and an Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 back when they were wortless and not cool & retro but managed to find both again recently. Haven't tested them yet though. I remember I played Crysis with a high spec socket 775 rig/Radeon HD3850 AGP back then when nobody cared about high spec AGP rigs ... I thought it was so cool you could run Crysis at 1680x1050 with high settings at decent framerates
Boards with dual core and AGP are pretty rare, but I was very lucky in last few weeks, I got 2 of them for almost free, one is socket 939 platform with Athlon X2 4200+, but I was not really impressed by single core performance of that CPU, it's pretty much like overclocked Pentium 4 and that MB is not in such good condition I wish, second one is socket 775 board with C2D E4700 (but I will have E6700) and that's really OP for AGP cards. 🙂 That second one is in perfect condition, no bad caps, no rust on connectors or IO shield, so I am really happy and that guy wanted just i5-4570S for that MB, which I consider like it was for free, he didn't know that 775+AGP boards are rare, he thought that I am crazy that I want it and I am giving that i5 for that. That board has option to "overclock FPS to 1066 MHz" while keeping ram on 400 MHz and with my E4700, it works fine without increasing voltage, so I have 3,15 GHz C2D, which I think is totaly enough for AGP testing platform. I tried even some Penryn 45nm CPUs and surprisingly, it showed some image, but everything was wrong, multiplier was like 4x and there is no multiplier option in bios, so I was not able to change it, so it just doesn't work with 45nm CPUs. Games in like 2000-2005 were made for HW which didn't exist yet, even with C2D and 2008 AGP card, you still can't play FarCry on ultra without FPS drops, it's crazy, with some Pentium 4, you have drops to like 30 FPS even on medium in open space scenes, I consider 3 GHz Pentium 4 as minimum for playing FarCry in 1280x1024, but I remember that standard resolution in that time was more like 1024x768, sometimes you lowered it to 800x600, but today with LCD, you have no such option because of only one native resolution. I found weird anomaly while testing those late AGP cards. I have HD2600XT which has better score in 3D Mark 2005 than HD4650, but for some reason real games run much better on that HD4650, max FPS is lower, but there are no drops, it's much more stable and smooth. So this is proof that you can't really trust 3D Marks. I had X1950GT in the past and that was really AGP beast, in RAW performance, I believe it's better than 4650 and 2600XT. I still don't understand what F.E.A.R. creators were smoking back in the day, because that game just doesn't work on HW from 2005, it's ridiculous, you have like 30 FPS in exteriors even with HD4650 and Core 2 Duo. In 2005, I had still Pentium 3. 😀
Personally, it's unforgivable that amd actively refused to support anything agp after the x1k series, because if an AIB were so inclined, i wouldn't be surprised if a modern Nvidia gpu would work with the reference driver on a pci slot.
It isn't financially viable to produce AGP boards when the vast majority of people have moved on to PCI-E. It's the same with CPUs, RAM and most other hardware, it moves on and board manufacturers have to move with it. There's no point in adapting the latest hardware to AGP, and especially not PCI... both would be saturated using just a tiny percentage of the GPU's performance. Like trying to funnel 50 lanes full of fast moving traffic down to one lane with a 10mph speed limit.
@@another3997 Lesse... $200~350 for an agp card at the time, or $3000 for an all new pci-e build, when at best you only had a scholarship here or there to help earn the money. Yeah, that's not a hard decision at all. /S
2 years ago, I bought a 2nd hand Asrock 775i65g R2.0 with a Pentium 4 630 and 256mb ram for only 6USD as the seller just want to dispose his old stuff I'm currently using on my WIndows 98 retro PC. I paired it with a Celeron 420, 2x256mb ddr 266 and Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro. I'm planning to upgrade the sound to a Sound Blaster Live SB0100.
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds yeah what I really want is the R3.0 version but that board is very rare and it cost a lot on ebay if available. I used a Celeron 420 because according to Phil, it is faster than a Pentium 3 Tualatin and low powered.
Unfortunately, the one AM2 Motherboard from Asrock that supports amd phenom 2 X4s that supports both PCI E and AGP, there was only one on ebay and they wanted $600+, it was a sub $100 board new. the 939 board is still relativly cheap but the performance is way down compared to the LGA775 intel board. Edit: and if you look around supposedly there was a 3870 released on AGP, the 4670, which was the old 3870 was also released on AGP, arguably the last AGP card ever released.
Just a question, why are you running C2QX9650 at 266mhz fsb x9 multi as stock (that is basically underclocke from stock 3ghz to 2,4ghz) and 269mhz x 13mult fsb when overclocked. Regular C2QX9650 runs at 333fsb native at 9 multi giving it 3ghz. Just rise jour multi to 10.5 with no volt mod and you'll be at same 3,5gz but higher FSB. Since you can run a x13multi i'm sure your cpu would hit 4ghz with some thinkering and good cooling.
Hey, yes you're correct. But if you pause on the part I explane it in the small white letters 😉 basicly the board is not supporting 333 fsb by default so it go's back to 266
@@thegeforce6625 Now, that's the more reasonable approach. HD4670 has more VRAM and acceleration technologies from which some games benefit, but HD3850 is higher-end and has more raw performance.
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds i'm brazilian so my english can be bad, it only looks good at most with fsb266, on top of that it's bad, i'll post a video this month and share it here for you to watch, i'll test a celeron from the 4xx line and a dual-core puntium e2180, overdo both models and see how it works, if it's going to work ok.
She went to fsb220, when I put fsb230 it didn't work, but then windows didn't work anymore, I have to install windows again, maybe it's bad for overclocking, I'll try bselmod, I have two ECS to fix, suddenly I look at them.
The video turned out great! Really interesting results seeing the the Phenom II X4 965 so close to the C2E QX9650. Always within two or three frames and the PII is WAY easier to find!
Thanks! Yeah that something I should have pointed out, and my phenom did even clock that high
You could just use Xeon x5460. It is just like c2q qx9770
Great video man! This topic is extremely useful to me and other retro enthusiasts.
Thanks, yeah there is allot more to talk about.. Verry interesting motherboard for retro enthusiasts indeed
Asrock wasnt known for its stability back then they often had issue but they sure did suprise me with these dual slots mobos ;)
They sure did!
I had problems with all possible MB manufacturers, it's not only about AsRock or MSI is bad, all of them had problems, all of them had worse and better boards. But I very miss my AsRock socket 478 motherboard which I had until 2008, it was cheap micro ATX board, but I had so many fun with that build, I finished even Crysis on that.
I found the opposite..I had expensive brand boards but my cheap asrock an jetway boards had as many options an ran an clocked better...my asrock sktA mobo with dual ch ddr1 at 500mzh had memory thruput that left DDR2 in the dust 5gbs a sec thruput. I never had a DDR2 come even close until DDR 3 starts to appear an closed that gap....an it was a via chipset too😮
@@foxxy46213 VIA KT880? VIA KT880 actually had worse mem performance than nF2 Ultra 400. So those sticks with an nF2 board would probably be even better!
I had an ECS 755-A2 2004 on 754 with an SiS755 that clocked stupidly high with a Sempron 2800+. 2.1GHz stock voltage in windows. 1.6 stock. Later I bought an EPoX EP 8HDAI Pro VAI K8T880 and it clocks slightly worse. Even though it should be a more premium board.
I was surprised how there were such late AGP boards. I was happy when I found an AM2 motherboard MSI K9MM-V. I’ve never seen a C2D with AGP for sale in my country. I do have a Socket 775 AGP board but it only takes Celeron D and Pentium D not C2D.
I was looking for decent 775+AGP board in good condition for years here in Czech Republic without result, but then I found nice Facebook group about retro hardware and those people there have everything, you just ask "I need XYZ" and someone immediately says "I have it, it's yours for 10 eur" 😀 When you ask for a nuclear bomb, I guess someone will say "I have it, give me your adress, I will send it" 😀
for AGP these CPU's should be enough
wow! exactly what I have always wanted to do. I have a lot of AGP graphic cards stored in a box, I've always wanted to couple them with dual-core CPUs, and the best choice is LGA775 motherboards, some early versions have AGP connector
Yep , 775 boards can push the most out of agp cards!
The 6800 GT results was CRAZY.. the card was way ahead of its time. It became like a new card with those overkill cpus 🤣
Excellent video! Glad to see my old AliveDual-eSata2 getting put through it's paces again :)
Thanks again!
I have the AM2NF3-VSTA myself and of course I also have a Radeon HD 3850 AGP :) nice board to benchmark AGP cards.
yes indeed :-)
Nice video! Coincidentally, I managed to snatch this elusive Asrock ALiveDual-eSATA2 from ebay two weeks ago. Installing windows xp on it right now, while watching your video. I am also planning to try and see if I can get it to work with w98.
Thank you, oh realy.. Haven't seen it. Good catch 👍 I also have one, but got it after I did the video. Don't forget the gart drivers. Otherwise you agp will run at pci speeds only 😉
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Thanks for the tip👍. I'm testing the board with a x1950 pro PCIe at the moment, so I haven't run into that issue yet😁. At a later stage I will test it with my agp cards.
Love this kind of stuff, unfortunately my asrock 4coredual sata2 needs some serious socket repairs, but hopefully it should still work
Good luck with the repair! We need to preserve these boards 😁
Nice Video! You should have a lot more views!
Thanks you!
Impressive work and nice presentation.
Such retrospective and cpu-scaling topics are always very interesting to watch.
Coincidentally, today I have picked my barely used AGP HD 3850 just as a historical piece.
Thank you 😊 enjoy your HD 3850 ! Impressive card for the good old agp platform!
Nice video man as always. By far my fav is the AM2NF3 I've been preferring it over the 4coredual. I own 2 4coreduals , 939sata2 , AM2NF3 VSTA.
For 4coredual I recommend Pentium E5800 (there like £3 delivered) and volt modding it 2 pads on CPU need to be bridged to set 1.35v vcore then it will perfectly run at 4ghz. Some will do it at stock volts.
939 dual sata 2 can be volt modded with a simple pad bridge on the top of the board which unlocks additional voltage steps. the 89w Athlon X2s are the best to get for this board as they Overclock well.
As for the AM2NF3 Vsta I run a 965 BE at 4ghz with CL4-4-4-12 memory 800mhz
PSA for anyone who gets these boards. Replace the caps there garbage and will stop the board from posting especially the memory caps.
thanks man, your are right about the cap's, my 939dual-sata2 has some bulging cap's . i need to get some volt mods going then :-)
Yeah I own an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA too, and I have a total of 4gb of ddr2-800 RAM perfectly running at 1066mhz (5-7-7-12)!
considering the AMD board can take up to 16gb of 1066mhz ddr2 and the intel board can only take 2gb 667mhz ddr2 ( 4gb with a bios mod ) I think the PII platform is a much better option IMO, as they go point for point in CB R15 yet has tonnes more ram & cheaper parts ( so you can OC the balls off the chips without giving a fook ).
Fantastic video, I'm just checking out your old stuff, great stuff.
A great video; I'm glad your XGI Volari duo video was recommended. Having previously worked for Pegatron for almost a decade in the late 00s+ (transitioning from an ASUS employee in the split into ASUS, Pegatron, and Unihan), I have a bit of a soft spot for ASRock boards, even if my feelings on Pegatron itself as a company are more love/hate. I have admit that I've become biased and only buy ASUS or ASRock when buying new equipment because I know what to expect with engineering choices, quality, and post-purchase RMA/repair support...though with older, out-of-warranty equipment I'm much more flexible. Still, I do personally use an ASRock 775Dual-VSTA with E6700 and x800 Pro as one of the XP gaming PCs I actually fully keep together. I do still have an ASRock K8 Combo that might need work if I recall correctly, but I think that's all of the pre-x79 ASRock boards I still have, since I had to reduce my collection down a fair amount a few years ago...I probably still have a few dozen x58 and older ASUS boards though with a small splattering of newer ones. It's cool to see these transitional ASRock boards being used for testing.
Like Nathan from PixelPipes said, choosing a board for absolute top-end performance does definitely require a different set of criteria than for just random "retro" gaming (I'm in this boat these days since the last 5-6 years, and I do nearly zero tweaking anymore); but also for testing, diagnostics, and repair at a large-scale the criteria for choosing a motherboard for test-bench purposes is also different with overall motherboard reliability, PCI-E slot power delivery consistency, VRM quality, etc being highly important along with motherboard return and failure rate statistics being highly useful (though generally unavailable publicly), yet something like a board using a reinforced PCI-E slot doesn't really matter because insertion/removal cycles are so high in a production-style environment that reflowing and/or replacing slots frequently due to gold fingers not making effective contact with the pins is just a matter of course no matter the quality of the slot material.
Nice to hear one of my videos got recommended. Didn't think that would happen 😁 oh the k8 combo. I'm on the lookout for those.. Asrock did some crazy stuff. Cool the hear from someone who acctualy worked in the industry!
Ah, good old Asrock. Of the motherboard manufacturers they're my favourite to collect, especially those of the transitional era.
I have only one ALiveDual-eSATA2 board, if I had a second I'd sell it to Nathan but I haven't found another. That was a very clever WTB ad he put up in your video lol, good luck to him.
Verry interesting board's indeed, I found that am2cpu upgrade module 2 day's ago 😁 yeah I'm looking for Nathan as well, but kinda hard to find
🤩Very cool! I like the way you present the components in your videos, also you have an impressive collection of goodies I really like that, and I wish you good luck with your RUclips channel and your retro hardware collection!
Thank you :-) same for you !
ASRock has always been great with the oddball boards. The last one I remember was the H170 Combo that sported both DDR3 and DDR4 slots (can only use one or the other type tho). I would love to see them do more weird things but sadly it seems they are more focused on competing in the high end these days. Who knows, maybe they will do more oddball stuff in the future.
Great work mate, I own from 2020 an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA, coupled with a Phenom 2 955BE clocked to 4,0ghz like your! Paired with the Radeon HD3850 512MB it is a beast system! Pity that Windows Xp Pro Sp3 only support maximum of 3gb of RAM!
Thank you ! Nice system can't get any better then that for agp 😀
you can install a PAE patch to use more ram, though milage may vary with stability
Nice video! New subscriber :)
Thanks 😁
Awesome comparison!
What driver versions were used for this tests ?
(interested in MB chipset and GPU driver)
For the nforce chipset I used the 5.11 ( gart 3777) the GPU drivers are in the discription 😉
Awesome video! makes me want to build a rig now with my Asrock 939dual-sata2 board with the AM2CPU board to see how the Athlon X2 5xxx+ series fare with a Radeon HD3850 :-)
You have the am2cpu board? Awsome! Do it, don't let dreams be dreams 😜
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds Oh yes :-) sold one years ago and an Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 back when they were wortless and not cool & retro but managed to find both again recently. Haven't tested them yet though. I remember I played Crysis with a high spec socket 775 rig/Radeon HD3850 AGP back then when nobody cared about high spec AGP rigs ... I thought it was so cool you could run Crysis at 1680x1050 with high settings at decent framerates
@@Jivemaster2005 it's all about Nostalgia!
I WANT agp+pcie FOR motherboard
They truly was exciting times... clocking an tuning was an actual skill back then
Boards with dual core and AGP are pretty rare, but I was very lucky in last few weeks, I got 2 of them for almost free, one is socket 939 platform with Athlon X2 4200+, but I was not really impressed by single core performance of that CPU, it's pretty much like overclocked Pentium 4 and that MB is not in such good condition I wish, second one is socket 775 board with C2D E4700 (but I will have E6700) and that's really OP for AGP cards. 🙂 That second one is in perfect condition, no bad caps, no rust on connectors or IO shield, so I am really happy and that guy wanted just i5-4570S for that MB, which I consider like it was for free, he didn't know that 775+AGP boards are rare, he thought that I am crazy that I want it and I am giving that i5 for that. That board has option to "overclock FPS to 1066 MHz" while keeping ram on 400 MHz and with my E4700, it works fine without increasing voltage, so I have 3,15 GHz C2D, which I think is totaly enough for AGP testing platform. I tried even some Penryn 45nm CPUs and surprisingly, it showed some image, but everything was wrong, multiplier was like 4x and there is no multiplier option in bios, so I was not able to change it, so it just doesn't work with 45nm CPUs.
Games in like 2000-2005 were made for HW which didn't exist yet, even with C2D and 2008 AGP card, you still can't play FarCry on ultra without FPS drops, it's crazy, with some Pentium 4, you have drops to like 30 FPS even on medium in open space scenes, I consider 3 GHz Pentium 4 as minimum for playing FarCry in 1280x1024, but I remember that standard resolution in that time was more like 1024x768, sometimes you lowered it to 800x600, but today with LCD, you have no such option because of only one native resolution.
I found weird anomaly while testing those late AGP cards. I have HD2600XT which has better score in 3D Mark 2005 than HD4650, but for some reason real games run much better on that HD4650, max FPS is lower, but there are no drops, it's much more stable and smooth. So this is proof that you can't really trust 3D Marks. I had X1950GT in the past and that was really AGP beast, in RAW performance, I believe it's better than 4650 and 2600XT.
I still don't understand what F.E.A.R. creators were smoking back in the day, because that game just doesn't work on HW from 2005, it's ridiculous, you have like 30 FPS in exteriors even with HD4650 and Core 2 Duo. In 2005, I had still Pentium 3. 😀
That is a long read. But fun to see you have the passion as well 😁
May I ask what mainboards? I'm having no luck finding anything.
@@suspectedstar My comment disapeared again, first one is Asus A8V and second one GIGABYTE GA-8I865gme-775-rh
Cool video :D
Personally, it's unforgivable that amd actively refused to support anything agp after the x1k series, because if an AIB were so inclined, i wouldn't be surprised if a modern Nvidia gpu would work with the reference driver on a pci slot.
They do! You can use a PCI to PCIe bridge riser and use any PCIe card on a PCI system.
It isn't financially viable to produce AGP boards when the vast majority of people have moved on to PCI-E. It's the same with CPUs, RAM and most other hardware, it moves on and board manufacturers have to move with it. There's no point in adapting the latest hardware to AGP, and especially not PCI... both would be saturated using just a tiny percentage of the GPU's performance. Like trying to funnel 50 lanes full of fast moving traffic down to one lane with a 10mph speed limit.
@@another3997 Lesse... $200~350 for an agp card at the time, or $3000 for an all new pci-e build, when at best you only had a scholarship here or there to help earn the money. Yeah, that's not a hard decision at all. /S
2 years ago, I bought a 2nd hand Asrock 775i65g R2.0 with a Pentium 4 630 and 256mb ram for only 6USD as the seller just want to dispose his old stuff
I'm currently using on my WIndows 98 retro PC. I paired it with a Celeron 420, 2x256mb ddr 266 and Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro. I'm planning to upgrade the sound to a Sound Blaster Live SB0100.
6USD ! Thats a steal. Sounds like a very powerful system for w98
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds yeah what I really want is the R3.0 version but that board is very rare and it cost a lot on ebay if available. I used a Celeron 420 because according to Phil, it is faster than a Pentium 3 Tualatin and low powered.
And test with the q6600 in bsel mode 3.00ghz ? 4 cores baby!
Not sure if I will revisit these test anything soom 😁
Unfortunately, the one AM2 Motherboard from Asrock that supports amd phenom 2 X4s that supports both PCI E and AGP, there was only one on ebay and they wanted $600+, it was a sub $100 board new. the 939 board is still relativly cheap but the performance is way down compared to the LGA775 intel board.
Edit: and if you look around supposedly there was a 3870 released on AGP, the 4670, which was the old 3870 was also released on AGP, arguably the last AGP card ever released.
Yeah that board is going up in price... I'll hold on to my alivedual for some time I guess. To bad I didn't have at the time of making this video
I had the 775 motherboard with 4 Slots for 4GB DDR400. It was a very fast motherboard the 1.5 years it lasted.
Just a question, why are you running C2QX9650 at 266mhz fsb x9 multi as stock (that is basically underclocke from stock 3ghz to 2,4ghz) and 269mhz x 13mult fsb when overclocked. Regular C2QX9650 runs at 333fsb native at 9 multi giving it 3ghz. Just rise jour multi to 10.5 with no volt mod and you'll be at same 3,5gz but higher FSB. Since you can run a x13multi i'm sure your cpu would hit 4ghz with some thinkering and good cooling.
Hey, yes you're correct. But if you pause on the part I explane it in the small white letters 😉 basicly the board is not supporting 333 fsb by default so it go's back to 266
still got my hd3850 had 2 but heat killed it
I love the hd3850, I also have 2. 1 for testing and 1 to preserve
do any of the boards work with the voodoo 5 on agp and if so is there a follow up vid you'll do with the fastest 3.3v agp supported boards
Hey, I'm not sure... not planned follow up video
How is Steel Legend? Do you like it?
Hey, sorry what do you mean with "steel legend"?
The HIS HD4670 AGP is the fastest AGP Video Card on the Planet not the Power Color HD3850 AGP! Could you make a video comparison of these two?
@GoodBoy-io6fd I have the 4670 agp as well... would be intresting 😁
geesh that bass giving me a headache. Great video except for that bass.
Hi I'm sorry, I tend to overuse music in my videos 😬
There is the Asrock 4CoreDual Vsta i have one if you are interested
I think I have enough asrock boards now 😁 thanks anyway 👍
HIS HD4670 AGP was the FASTEST AGP ON THE PLANET not the HD3850.
Debatable apparently, it IS, however, the latest
@@SomeAngryGuy1997
There is no debate!
@@awakenedsoul2638 Indeed, HD3850 is the fastest. Just wanted to be nice 😂
Depends on the game, sometimes it’s the 3850, others it’s the 4670.
@@thegeforce6625 Now, that's the more reasonable approach. HD4670 has more VRAM and acceleration technologies from which some games benefit, but HD3850 is higher-end and has more raw performance.
Damn the fastest MB i have for testing is socket 754 and a Athlon 3000+ cpu and up to a HD4650 1gb gpu
i have 3 775i65g, and all of them died the same fucking way, the same transistor almost caught on fire, and no longer recognizes any ram
6800GT and P4 were from about the same period. It was shocking to see how much of a bottleneck P4 is.
Intel 4 cores 3.5 GHz vs. AMD 4 cores 4.0 Ghz sounds unfair.
A 3.5 GHz vs. 3.5 GHz test would have been more balanced.
i take pcchips p23G
Looks like an interesting board. How is the overclocking on it ?
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds i'm brazilian so my english can be bad, it only looks good at most with fsb266, on top of that it's bad, i'll post a video this month and share it here for you to watch, i'll test a celeron from the 4xx line and a dual-core puntium e2180, overdo both models and see how it works, if it's going to work ok.
@@xanelgames cool , thx!
@@RetroGPUsandBuilds ruclips.net/video/7MzQBxTmtas/видео.html
She went to fsb220, when I put fsb230 it didn't work, but then windows didn't work anymore, I have to install windows again, maybe it's bad for overclocking, I'll try bselmod, I have two ECS to fix, suddenly I look at them.
Did you get permission from the contributors, or did you just pirate their videos???
Sorry? I made this video and worked with nathan from pixel pipes...
its not retro! its just old an obsolete!