GeForce FX 5800 Ultra vs Radeon 9700 Pro | Card Battles
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Finally! It's time to put to rest one of the biggest and most historic battles in GPU history!
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ATI: Catalyst 10.2 (Legacy)
NVIDIA: Forceware 71.89
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The Radeon 9700 Pro was released earlier than the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra. It makes the performance of the card even more impressive.
NVidia went with 128-bit memory and 4 pipes. 4 pipes had been used for the geforce 256, geforce 2, geforce 3 and geforce 4. This was just a cost-cutting measure. This explains why the FX5800 ultra was clocked so high and had an obnoxious cooler; it wasn’t intended to be clocked that high. They immediately developed the FX5900 when they realized how fast 9700pro was.
The FX5900 was still the same backwards-looking design with terrible SM2.0 performance.
@@soylentgreenb i still hate nvidia to this day for that generation's arrogance. never 4 get bros. deep down, nvidia hates u and wants to push out shitty cards.
That is why they havent been giving us any value since the 1000 series cards. They hate u bros.
@@cronoesify Goes way back before that, 10 series was definitely included as a bad value, you're forgetting that even the 1080/1080ti was heavily locked down to prevent any "professional" uses for years. Much of the rest of the stack was pretty bad value that gen too.
The hair dryer vs a graphics card
Retro Amateur You are being too modest mate, I’d say it’s more like a leaf blower on a high setting vs a graphics card.
Even nVidia officially made fun of FX5800 Ultra the same way!!
Wow, I didn't know this classic gem was made by nVidia! ruclips.net/video/WOVjZqC1AE4/видео.html Always thought it was made by enthusiasts, but now that I look closer it really seems made by nVidia!
More like vacuum cleaner. The 5800 Ultra is the loudest GPU I’ve ever seen.
I can honestly say you and LGR are my 2 favorite tech youtubers to watch and/or listen, it always relaxes me. Kind of wishing you would post more often, you both have such good quality content.
LGR SUX BURUH
FANTASTIC VIDEO!!!
I've still got my 9700 Pro and the original packaging and accessories. It was my first GPU I ever purchased to upgrade the family PC to run the latest games.
It still sits in the original build and is fully functioning. My father found the old PC in their basement about 3 years ago and took a power cord, plugged in the PC with only the power cord and used it to charge USB devices.
When I came back home to visit I found the PC plugged into a wall in the basement running with no monitor, no keyboard. He was using it as a USB charger for months. I immediately turned it off and took the PC back home with me. The 9700 Pro luckily still works, thank goodness.
What the fuck is wrong with him
@@Gamerbay2017 Yeah, that's odd. But I could see someone doing that. I hate seeing people charging devices with their computers. Just not efficient at all. But man.. glad he saved it!!
i recently got a 9700 pro for free :)
I still have mine in one of my 3 towers, I'm to lazy to open them I can't remember if it's on a Abit mb(remember them)with dual 1ghz pentium that Quake 3 could use and some pro apps like Photoshop. I changed the cooling fan cause it was prone to overheat to realise the thermal paste was the culprit. Crucial gave a lifetime warranty coverage for its Radeon 9700 Pro but Tyan had the best cooling, AGP was the norm back then! So much fun online more respect and less trash talking when I came back online with BC2 it was all gone...those all night gaming with the piss jug with the cat walking on the keyboard! Damn cat! The costly 19 inches crt! Still have 3 of them! My 3 towers heated my room in winter!
@@TeeKoon Oh man, you bringing back memories bro. My first video card was the 9600SE I think. I don't think I could afford the XT version at the time. But my biggest memory of it was getting it to play Doom3 and it brought my system to it's knees. I specifically remember getting 17fps @ the standard res of 1024x768 at the time. And could only manage 22fps when turning everything down / off. lol. I had downloaded the demo and that was enough for me to not buy the game.
Great video! If you do get around to doing an FX 5900/5950 Ultra vs 9800 Pro/XT, I would love to see the results compared to their slightly older siblings from this video!
That would be awesome!
Thank you for this. I love this channel because it really focus itself around the videocard generations that made the most impact on me in my gaming years: 1999, through 2004\2005. It was an excellent time to be a gamer, and a computer enthusiast!
It left the biggest impact on the industry as well
Maybe from the perspective of living through the time when gaming was making the biggest strides, however it certainly wasn't cost efficient. If you wanted to play the most recent titles at decent resolutions and settings, you had to dish out for a new gpu pretty much every year and for a new cpu/platform every two years or all you saw were slideshows. The cheapest time to be a gamer, despite ludicrous prices of the very top graphics cards, is honestly right now. After the mining craze died down, I managed to get a 980Ti for 90€, 2600k for 50€, P67 mobo for 20€ and 16 Gb of ram for 30€. This combo absolutely breezes through almost everything, especially slightly older titles, but even the newest ones, I haven't found one yet where it couldn't do 1200p at at least high and stable 60fps. And because 980Ti can be made to work under Win XP (by using a couple modified lines from 960 drivers), I can actually dual boot the system as retro rig at the same time. This means I can play 20+ years of titles on a single PC that cost less than 200€ - that was never possible before, never.
5 year difference of driver support!
I remember that I had a pc with a 2004 X300 where I installed Windows 10 and managed to "force" a windows vista driver. Everything was working exceptionally with full hardware acceleration.(except the catalyst control panel).It was running dual 4:3 1024p monitors with no stutter or weird stuff.It's amazing the support ATI/AMD gives to their ancient cards!
My son in law had the FX 5800 Ultra leaf blower lol. I was always an ATi man myself.
same, my 9800 pro from 2004 still works... with ati silencer cooler
the 9700PRO can play Crysis, enough said!
Back in the day I got crysis to work on a much weaker radeon 9550 at playableish framerates. What I did was use a config tweak to get 640x480 resolution.
The rest of the rig was a socket a Athlon 3200+ and 768mb ddr 333mhz memory.
Overall it ran at 29fps in the entry level. Although I doubt it would run well in the later levels.
I was still pretty happy I got a lower-mid range card from 2004 to run crysis though.
God dam it.. I worked at EA games as a QA Tech between 2004 and 2008. The amount of hardware like this I had at my fingertips. Only to either sell a load on ebay lol or it all going to the bloody junkyard when they closed down the Chertsey site! I kick myself I really do.
Ow that hurts
Nice new lights ! Nice topic, nice cards... What else to ask for ? :)
It's unfortunate that these cards are getting more and more difficult to find in a working state, and as you said for a good price... Thank you, you bad thermal pad, bad memory, bad soldering ! :D
Keep up the good work as always dude :)
the 9700 pro is to me the most legendary gpu of all time aside from the original voodoo.
I have seen 2 min so far, and I love the video already! Such a cool story about your Ultra! so glad that it worked out for you. Really enjoy your content
I owned a 9500 Pro back in those days and while it doesn't have the same amount of power as the 9700 Pro (mostly due to the 128 bit memory bus) it was still an awesome card! Awesome image quality and a LOT of games ran really well on it. I used it all the way until the ATI 4850 was released in 2008!
Man I had the 512 MB 4850, such a cool looking card. Used to run GTA V on it for around 30 minutes at a time max, after that it would become unplayable due to lack of video memory lol, if I had the 1 GB version, I would have been able to actually play it fine.
Much better than the 9600pro iirc.
Congratulations!!! Remember painful video when your FX died. But now you finally got your hands on it. And I think you were very happy))) wish to find all cards you want with a good price!!! What about you project with Voodoo5 & Rage Furry MAXX? It will be interesting to see it
Thanks! V5 vs MAXX is the next Card Battles!
And now we have it :)
Very well put together video, great work. I didn't have the 9700 Pro though I did have a 9800SE which, if I remember rightly, was unlocked/modded to near 9800 Pro performance. :)
Amazing video. Enjoyed this one. One of the best card battles in history
Oh man those were the days! 9700 Pro had such a long usable life, it was a generation ahead of any its peers. I used mine for a long long time.
Very very good! Next time a video with geforce 5800 ultre e 5950 ultra vs radeon 9700 pro e 9800 xt
Great Review, I never expected that the FX 5800 Ultra could win this one, but damn, those results are like Teabagging your opponent in Unreal Tournament after hitting him with the Redeemer.
Oh man, the era of teabagging… that's something I had forgot. Thanks for reminding me. Good times :)
"The blower fan is at 100% as soon as any 3D application is loaded. The high pitched whine that will then blare at you incessantly will not be drowned out by your speakers, and you'll pray instead for the sweet sound of a dentist drill burrowing into your teeth."
LMAO!!
What a great video that brought back a lot of memories for me! Thank you.
Like you, I was lucky enough to own both cards back then. As a huge nVidia fan back then, I of course didn't buy the 9700 Pro but, and this is no joke, was able to buy a GeForce FX 5800 from Terratec with cash right after work at CeBit in Hanover. The drivers for the card were copied onto a blank CD on the spot. That was completely unusual back then and I'm sure it still is today. I'm also not sure whether the 500 DM I paid for it back then went where it should have.
As a big nVidia fan at the time, I was mega disappointed with the performance of the FX 5800 Ultr. To make matters worse, a friend of mine broke the card because he thought he could install a better cooler. I then bought the Radeon 9700 Pro and have remained a loyal ATI and AMD customer to this day.
Fantastic video! 👍🏻 Really enjoyed finally seeing these two in action against each other and wow those are some test results for sure. Keep it up 😃
Watching this makes me so glad I went ATI when I was a kid and my first PC needed a GPU upgrade. Plus I never seen a 5800 in store when I was taken to pick out a new GPU for my PC I had at the time. Damn good card and a lot of really good memories where had by me on 9700 Pro back in the day.
thank you very much for video. very interesting. I've been waiting for such a comparison for a long time
Loved my 9700 NP flashed with Pro bios, Thanks MUFU. Superb 2D image quality. Back when CRT's were King Nvidia couldn't touch an ATi Card in 2D image quality.
7:58 You could do an entire video on this slide alone. There was as well known Doom 3 shader mod at the the time that would boost the Radeon 9700 Pro's performance to upwards of 75FPS in Doom 3, with no noticeable image quality difference. Anyone who owned Doom 3 and a Radeon 9700 Pro were likely running with this mod at the time Doom 3 was the game to play. nVidia cards that ran this reworked shader mod would only lose 0.1fps in performance. Many believe that the nVidia personal that came in to help optimize Doom 3 sabotaged ATi's performance while doing nothing to noticeably optimize for nVidia (I seem to remember a tech site doing an interview with the nVidia personal that did this particular "optimization" and them giving a very non-anwser, but that was 17 years ago at this point). Driver optimizations had nothing to do with this result and it was the found result shortly after the 5800 Ultra's release.
When nVidia started "cheating" to optimize for games (which had to do with a greater span of cards then just the 5000 series), ATi added "Catalyst AI," which would replace these shader codes from the driver end for various games when enabled by the user (which is what nVidia was doing without user input), putting an end to the need for mods. I was going to ask if these test were run with Catalyst AI enabled, but clearly the answer is no.
I would revisit some of these test, only I would test with Catalyst AI on and off in various titles to see the difference in performance, and maybe work with RetroRGB or someone to help capture IQ results from both cards to show just how horribly bad nVidia's image quality was at the time while talking about some of this historical details lost to time.
The nVidia 6000 series would mostly improve their image quality to be at about the level of ATi's (and much closer to 3Dfx's now that the 3Dfx engineers were now fully acclimated to working at nVidia), but nVidia also hasn't improved their image quality since (which is a moot argument, imo, since it is now "good enough" and most people no longer clearly care).
Thanks for your comment. Didn't know that such sabotage existed already then and that that was what Catalyst AI was for. Crysis 2 is probably the most well-known example: ruclips.net/video/O7fA_JC_R5s/видео.html It's sad that image quality is of such low interest despite the emerging of HDR. But when I think of it it's mostly in the TV space where both the talk and the tech is. It feels like TVs are surpassing computer monitors, which feels really weird. A lot of things is going on in the TV business, while PC monitors have been much the same the past 10-15 years, save for G-sync/Freesync.
this was actually a card comparison i had to quibble over back in the day. i sided with ati (for the first time ever) due to nvidia's shifty color management they used to gain speed at the expense of image quality. so for my 2003 PC build i went with the 9700 pro for better image quality. still got that card some where and it still worked last time i checked although it's fan died eons ago.
oh come on man i'm running old school . my speakers could easily drown out the 5800 ultra . klispch 2.1 200 watt speakers. running a modified amp (modified for better cooling and had replaced capacitiors with higher end ones. so the amp last longer and doesn't run as hot). I live in the boonies so cranking speakers is no problem these speakers could bury any fan noise easily.
You deserve more subs than 6.7k. Love your videos. The production quality and attention to detail is excellent.
aaaaw yisssss! Been waiting for a new Card Battles episode for quite a while now, thanks!
Cool throwback to 2003 B)! This is the stuff ‘classic’ hardware dreams are made of but kudos you got to live it @PixelPipes!
best retro-vintage channel in youtube
What makes the 9700 Pro even more impressive is that team green made the FX5800 Ultra in order to complete with the 9700 Pro after they knew what the 9700 Pro could do and they still failed.
man how does this channel not have million subs?!
Excellent video, thank you. I remember when these both came out. At the time I had access to both and was lucky enough to test both before buying one - the lovely black 9700Pro from Sapphire it was for me in the end. Also very keen to see your 5900 vs 9800. My retro rig currently has a 9800Pro which I am very much enjoying!
Ahh the good old times when i bought 9800pro for little over 200€ and got top level performance.... while now days even adjusted to inflation you get barely mid tier.
My roommate got his 9500, 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro to live very, very long lives, by modding all of their cooling. In fact, the very last graphics card I can remember him upgrading the cooling on was a X850 Pro.
Great video, now I know why the 9700 hung on so well. In the day I remember guys saying don't look at the Geforces frame rates, look at the ATi's eye candy.
I had the 9700Pro it was quite an upgrade to my 9000pro. It soldiered on well, my next upgrade was Geforce 8800 in about Jan/2006. I was hardecore gamer till around 2011, gave up cold turkey at 50years old, staying up till the sun came up was starting to weigh on my long days at work lol. As an average daily comp this old gaming rig kept going till 2021 when the 8800GTS640Mb finally gave up the ghost. I threw it out not considering collectibility of these high-end heavy weights from different era's. I stil have the little Radeon 9700pro somewhere in a box of comp parts.
I'm considering getting back into gaming at 61, I threw in my son's old 7970Xt, put in new 8g DDR2-800 in my old P5K Deluxe and downloaded and tried to run Enlisted for my Grandson whos 8 years old.
20ish frames not really playable. The little core2duo overclockked from 1.86to 3.0 and all fans screaming lol. Looking at getting a rig at least 3060Ti/I7-11700or better, I forgot how much fun I had in DoD,all COD's with realism Clans with other adult players. Best 2000 bucks(2006) I ever spent!!! 1stSF/SS all the way !!!
You definitely should get back into it! They say once a gamer, always a gamer. You may change, but there's always a game for everyone. And playing with PCs doesn't stop being enjoyable.
Awesome video my friend. Back in the day i bought a FX5800 with the much better cooler and oced it at Ultra specs. After a while i sold my selfmade Ultra and bought a cheap 256Bit 9500 NonPro to go 9700. Good old Days. Hardware modification was so awesome at this time. :D
What a fun time in computers for gamers. When a video card release was actually a fun time.
I remember all the mockery that took place over the 5800 back then. While lot of us 9700pro users were running a passive Zalman heatsink, the 5800 had to deal with the "hair dryer". I miss those days..
I actually really like the looks of that FX 5800 Ultra. The transparent cooling unit looks very cool, (although its actual cooling effectiveness is almost nonexistent). If I owned a 5800 Ultra, I would create an external air-duct to change the direction of the hot exhaust air, making sure that only cool air enters the card, perhaps increasing the longevity and performance.
I remember buying a 9700 non pro for 299 CAD in late 2002 or early 2003 and using it until the x1600 or 1650 came out. I don't think I knew anyone who puchased a 5800 and it was a joke of a card back then being hot and pricey.
More videos!!!! :D I like your videos alot :) very good quality
Thank you Nathen for a really nice presentation.
I had a GeForce FX card when it was new, it was so terrible that i made the switch to ATI Radeon 9700 right away after using nVidia since OG the GeForce 256. I only switched back to nVidia last year with my RTX 2070 Super. I'm a bit bummed that i threw it away though, since they apparently go for so much today :D
Excellent work! Always look forward to your videos.
A great channel on video cards. As a games developer I care about these things. Keep up the good work
True story, I was a weird kid that had a picture of a radeon 9700 pro in his room back in 2002 with a checkdown list of how much money I had until I could buy the card. In the end i never got the card and ended up with a lower-mid range radeon 9550 in early 2005.
Aw, that's unfortunate!
Congrats! This was a long time coming and what a video. Fantastic job good sir 👏👏👏
Such a long time coming!
Really awesome, thanks.
I got a 9700 Pro at launch and had many years of enjoyment with it. One of the best cards I've ever owned.
Great review, looking forward to the 5900 vs 9800.
Its the same story. More interesting will be 6800ultra vs X800XT, aka the more buruteforce of X800 vs the SM3.0 of NV40.
@@Lady_Zenith based on historical reviews, the 5900/5950 was a lot more competitive due to minor architectural changes and dramatically increased memory bandwidth (128 bit ddr2 vs 256 bit ddr). What I'm most interested to see is if performance has changed with modern driver revisions compared to the release drivers. I agree that 6800 ultra vs x800xt is interesting. I think hes already done a video comparing these cards before, or maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
@@IronicTonic8 Yes, I have them both, they are the same thing, sure 5900 heats less, is slightly faster and generally the cards are more refined, but once you hit it with any game that uses SM2.0 it still falls flat on its face just as 5800, after all, the architecture is the same. But they make good retro cards, they have excellent compatibility with chipsets, and do well in old titles, support stuff like paletized textures, and their AF is top-notch quality wise as its not using any optimizations. You just have to install rivatuner and limit the SM to 1.4 and thats it, its a really good DX8.1 card, and its just better to cut of the DX9/SM2.0 completely.
@@Lady_Zenith I hear you. I agree they make great retro cards, I have a 5900 vanilla and it's great for my windows 98 rig because of the retro compatibility. I wouldn't dare throw any SM 2.0 games at it. I'll have to try the rivatuner trick to force it on SM 1.4.
Was nvidia able to get the performance crown back with the GeForce PCX 5950? (NV38, PCI-Express, GDDR3, 256bit memory interface)
PCI Express didn't help.
Looks like my old 9800 Pro :) good job, subbed
Oh, my god, that cpu cooler haha. Those driver numbers are golden references. As I own a 9600 pro, 9800 pro and an fx 5950 ultra knowing the best drivers to use is invaluable.
Thanks for this! I love both cards for different reasons
Some of the Russians in the Retro Tech scene are pretty decent dudes. I paid a lot for my Voodoo2's, but, holy hell were they professional and responsive, prompt, and communicative. And those two little bad boys are hanging out with my Radeon 7000 32MB SDR. So its nice to see another example of the Ruski's doin' good for us Retro folk.
Jumper from a geforce 4200 to a radeon 9700 pro. The radeon was a beast! Manu years later I repliceerde it with a AGP geforce 7900GS 512mb.
I found a 9800 Pro agp 8x for 15€ shipped. It works great on my retro pc. I also have a defective quadro fx 3000, it would be cool to compare the two, if the quadro worked
great video, as a kid I dreamed of having these cards to play Doom 3 and Half Life 2!!!!
Epic card battle of history!
The first Far Cry was marvelous on my oc 9700Pro, best game in the series.
Nice review but pretty much exact same findings and results back then. Should have went into more detail about how Nvidia handled the SM 2.0 and its higher floating point precision vs ATI. As an avid collector i have both of these cards and purchased an OG Fx5900 upon release... DX 9.0 games i pretty much had upgraded to 6800U then
I agree that those are important points to bring up, which is why I made a dedicated video about the FX series' performance issues. Check it out:
ruclips.net/video/x5EyPxAIqyA/видео.html
very good Video, and nice to see some new stuff from you!
When I was a kid, I decided to BUILD and sell computers purely so I could test out parts without keeping them. Worked great, I got to try out so many different graphics cards, motherboards, cpus..
I am still blown away by my 1070. going from 970 to 1070 was the best single upgrade ive ever done in my life.
Too bad the 1070 was priced well above MSRP its entire life. Same thing happened with the 8800GT. Was a great value if it wasn't priced over $100 more than Nvidia advertised it for. Although back then the 8800GT had the performance crown going for it, so it sold regardless.
Best Nvidia GPU upgrade ever easily goes to the GTX460. GTX 285 performance for 1/3 the GTX280s launch price. The 768MB variant sold for $150. 9800GX2 performance for $150 or 1/4 the price. Budget gamers coming from an older GPU like a 8600GT would have seen performance improvements we couldn't imagine now.
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-460-vs-Nvidia-GeForce-8600-GT/2167vsm7659
Good to see you back!
Ahh, I remember trying to run SoF2 on an FX5200...yea no that was a big fat nope on that front. Sister had a Dell P4 with integrated graphics that could play it, however
#feelsbadman
In 2012 or so i did buy old PC for around $20-30 (don't remember exactly) just for fun with Athlon XP 1700+/ATI Radeon 9700 Pro/Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 and it's still work great!
I would plug the intake hole and Dremel out intake slits at the rear of it, to suck in cold air the case fans are pumping in.
i remember when nVidia released this dustbuster. It had DESPERATE written all over it. ATi was achieveing much better results with a cheaper, smaller, quieter and less power hungry card.
i remmember the 9700 and 9800 Pro cards foundly, i think i only moved back to nvidia when the GTX260 came out and EVGA where beginning to kick but in the GPU market.
So if you bought a Radeon 9700 pro in 2002, you could play games on max settings up until 2005 and low-medium settings up until 2006/2007. That was a great bargain. Back in the day though, FX 5800 Ultra/5900 Ultra was considered the fastest card on the market.
My 5800 still works on the rare occasions I want to give my earballs a kicking in my retro 98SE PC, though mainly I just do it to show people just how bad it was and why I got a 9800 as soon as it was released just to save my hearing. I still remember calling up customer support one day when my cable modem was playing up, and they asked me if I could turn off the hairdryer. It says something when my overclocked 9800 pro with the Arctic Cooling blower and a pci voodoo 5 5500 with its 2 fans, is barely audible, but the 5800 on its own requires a headset, which is the reason I bought my first PC specific one.
Thanks for the video. I remember NVIDIA employee's making a video themselves teasing how bad the 5800 Ultra really was by using it as a leaf blower, hair dryer, etc. The 9700 Pro was an amazing card at the time and truly was a testament to competition driving innovation. Sadly, for whatever reason, ATI/AMD, to this day, has never had a commending foothold in the GPU market like they had with the 9700 Pro.
12:20 What about putting a small plastic to split the air...Check temps later?
Fatality!!! Flawless victory!!!
WOO! glad you finally managed to get this done. Now that you have the rest of the fx line up, a full family reunion next?
Also cheers for the shout out. once i'm not sick and covered in baby poo ill have time get back to my videos again. hehe
Awesome Test and i am glad to hear that your old 5800Ultra was repaired and is now up and running in cold russia. BTW: I have a MSI GF5950ultra and benched this card against my 9800pro. Got the same results that the GF5000 Series has great trouble with modern games.
EDIT: Can you put the 9600pro or 9600XT in comparison to the 5800ultra? The smaler chip with the narrower memoryinterface would be nice to know.
How about the 9600XT vs 5700 Ultra?
@@PixelPipes Why not. Both cards were top of the midrange back in the days.
I just loved my 9700 pro. One of my all-time favorite graphics cards.
3:30 - R300 had simpler shader units though. 24-bit precision and no loops
back in the days of Driver Heaven and Omega drivers.... my first real card ATI 9800 Pro
Aah I have 2 working 9700 s! (non pro) Really like that card!
Interesting, as all the other videos!
I made the mistake of going with the FX series that generation. I was an Nvidiot. I guess I became one again because I bought a Gigabyte Aorus 2080 Super last year.
I had a 9800 Pro, it lasted a long time. Amazing card for the time.
R3xx chips was when ATi was on top of their game. Even lowly 9550 were great cards and pretty inexpensive. Heck, working at computer shop it was possible to find certain brand which were actually 9600 pro/xt and could be set to XT clocks giving ultimate performance/price. I myself became pretty quickly disillusioned by FX performance pretty early on - reading results of shader mark correctly (read: these cards will be dog slow in newer games) but a lot of people were not and got stuck with terrible cards. Thankfully for Nvidia ATi had its own blunder the next generation and didn't support SM3.0 and FX days were quickly forgotten.
This was the first development of the ex-3dfx team on nVidia 🤔
Kind of makes sense to me that it's performing good in older games and under OpenGL but struggles with TnL.. errhh.. Shader Model 2.0 ;-)
Getting playable framerates with activated anti aliasing was also something like a 3dfx-thing at that time and maybe one aspect nVidia was pointing at back then. 🧐😊
Hello PixelPipes how you have capture this videos from your old graphic crads? Capturecard? Which capture card is good and not expensive and has VGA and DVI?
If Nvidia had released the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra with a 256bit memory bus like the Ati Radeon 9700 Pro would it have made the card better? Or way more expensive and not worth it?
Better for sure, but it's hard to say how much. The problems with it were multifaceted.
why not 9800Pro or even XT?
A friend of mine had a 9800Pro this card WAS a BEAST in it´s time ...
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This is the shit. Thank you man.
What a great era and great comparison! But how, though, did ATI know to make it future proof? I thought you said no one knew what the future of games looked like.
Well they have a reasonable idea. GPU vendors participate in API working groups and have close relationships with game developers. ATI didn't turn around a T&L card in 6 months after the geforce showed up. All vendors knew that hardware t&l was on the way.
Some of it is always going to be a punt though. Hence the early register combiner functions on the geforce1/2 and first radeon that ultimately weren't enough for dx8/PS1.0 and didn't see that much use. See also the variation in ps1.x standards with ATI going for a significantly more capable setup in ps1.4 that again only saw limited use.
In neither of those cases did those punts massively undermine the cards performance elsewhere though. It's a bonus where used, and with ps1.4 ATI was able to work with some game devs to even get a bit more speed by rewriting shader code to save a rendering pass.
The mess nvidia got themselves into here was they made some rather odd choices in those punts that don't even make much sense had dx9/sm2 favoured them. For example there's little point adding a feature to your card if it's never going to be fast enough to run it even if it gets used. That was the problem here. It's all very well having support for 1024 instruction shaders but no card of the time is going to have to power to run a game with those shaders at good frame rates, so that's just wasting silicon. Similarly the fp16/24/32 issue. Fp16 simply isn't enough as shown in this video, you don't need many blending operations at that precision before banding appears. Fp24 is a good compromise. Fp32 is better but the difference is only going to show in shaders lengthy enough that they're not going to be running on these cards anyway.
In short, nvidia put features on the card that weren't just in the category of might not be used but simply unusable and that's really just wasting silicon at that point.
Tim P Thanks for sharing, this is awesome information! So did the 9700 Pro have hardware T&L?
The reference to hardware t&l was to the earlier dx7 era cards, hopefully that didn't confuse things.
Both the geforce fx5800 and 9700 have programmable 'vertex shaders' (and like the pixel shaders, the fx5800's were of considerably higher capability than required by dx9/sm2) which were effectively the successor to fixed function hardware t&l. For dx7 games, as far as I understand it, the graphics drivers supply the shader code that effectively runs the vertex shaders as if they were a dx7 spec fixed function pipeline.
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EXCELLENT REVIEW
I BOUGHT THE
A M D 9800PRO 256MEG DDR 3 QUAD PUMP SPECIAL EDITION
F1 TOMB-RAIDER DARK EDITION.
THIS CARD LASTED ME MANY YEARS..
Best card gave me best times of my life.
Gforce 32meg also game me impressive
Smooth perfomance..
Great cards back then...
Anyone know how I can contact this "Cooltweak" fellow?
I have a PNY leafblower that needs fixing.
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There are only 144 views, from August 1, 2018. Cool Tweak channel
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So if you want the best card to top out each generation of games with all the bells and whistles and not just FPS's but RTS Diablo clones and so on What cards would you pick ?
Can you review graphics cards that have tv encoders please?
Nice history lesson!
How much of a difference in performance delta you think using the fastest period correct procesor would make?
How does 9700 Pro stacks against FX 5950 Ultra? I have a baby-at motherboard with AGP 3.3v port and based on google these two are the stongest cards available for that slot.