How Fast Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with just a Magmar?
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2023
- For the first time, I made a huge mistake during the run! Can I recover? Is the tier list ruined? What animal is Magmar actually supposed to be? All these questions.... won't be answered, but some will!
Editing by: @SimplyAJ
Music By: @makegamemusic
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Rules and Explanations
Rules: (1) Only use the one Pokémon in Battle, others for HMs are fine. (2) No Items in battle (3) No Glitches* (4) Set Mode (5) No saving in the Elite Four (6) No evasion moves
Badge Boost "Glitch" Explanation: When you collect odd numbered badges the game boosts a stat by 12.5%. Brock gives ATK, Surge DEF, Koga SPE, and Blaine SPC (in game text is wrong). When any of your stats are modified (even by you using a move like Withdraw, or your opponent using Leer) the badge boosts are re-applied. So If you use Swords Dance, you also gain *an additional 12.5% in Speed/Defence/Special (on top of the 12.5% you were supposed to be getting). When you level up, the game corrects this error, and only the non-glitch 12.5% remains. Because of how difficult it is to avoid, I've allowed for it to be exploited, since opponents will spam Leer/Growl anyways, and this way battles are less random. Red/Blue are extremely buggy, so there's always going to be some glitches present, and because of how unavoidable this one is, it is allowed in runs, and considered more like a special Generation 1 mechanic as opposed to a glitch. 
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Does watching a JRose vid make anyone else feel like everything is just gonna be alright???
Yes. Yes it does.
that, and it’s like, oh cool, something nice to have in the background.
i always end up watching a JR11 multiple times since i fade in and out
100%. espcially after a rough day at work man, nothing is nicer than sitting down, eating a nice meal and watching a Jrose video.
helps me forget that all of our leaders are bought and paid for clowns.
That’s a huge reason I keep coming back.
Anecdote: magmar is one of the two pokemon that can exploit the confusion/counter glitch, where using counter on the same turn an opponent hurts itself will do double the self-inflicted damage. It's just the way counter works, but the only other pokemon that learns confuse ray & counter is gengar (haunter can't learn counter). Not a lot of applications for it tbh, but it does make magmar more viable on "no offensive moves" playthroughs, compared to the alternative, ninetales, who can learn confuse ray, but not counter
I had no idea that was a thing, that's pretty cool!
Whenever I think I know everything about Gen 1, I learn something new. It's amazing.
The oddest thing about this "assurance" interaction is that it almost seems intentional. After all, gengar can't even be hit by normal or fighting types, which are the only types of attacks counter can actually counter in RBY. So despite being able to learn it, the only way Gengar can actually use it, is on a confused foe who hurts themselves
To be fair, it's pokémon. Umbreon learns synchronoise, genderless pokémon learn attract, and soft-boiled was made a TM instead of Flamethrower instead of Chansey just learning the move by level-up.@@bitterzombie
The Hiker in Rock Tunnel is the most iconic NPC trainer in all the Jrose videos. May as well call Rock Tunnel a gym
A make-up gym, to cover for Surge's shortcomings.
I think it's okay to use the Psychic run's time in this. Yes, you did it a second time and you learned some things and you got better but doesn't that happen overall? I mean your 20th solo pokemon run will turn out better than your first for sure. Maybe that would be another interesting video at one point, revisiting the very first solo mon challenge you did!
I'd love to see him revisit the first form starters for sure
I'm totally okay with Magmar going above weezing. That run, even with Lance at the end, felt much easier overall than Weezing did just from the video. Even without Psychic, I honestly would have said there's a case for Magmar to still go above weezing because it only struggled with 2 or 3 battles.
I see a new jrose video and suddenly everything else seems insignificant
That is legit what just happened to me. I was watching something else and dropped it straight away
Ya I dropped what I was watching also and instantly turned this on lol
100% accurate comment
I did the same thing. But also. Last night at one point I thought to myself “man, I wish there was a new jrose video to watch…” and I get home and whadya know lol.
Remember December? That was unreal.
Psychic not being the absolute gamebreaker shocked me. Hell of a run. Love Magmar, and he did pretty darn good all things considered.
Kind of made sense though, Magmar's special is so low even being super effective it still took 2 or 3 shots to kill things.
Psychic(the move, not type) is only really overpowered due to the special drop. In runs relying on outspeeding and 1/2 shotting your foes this doesn't come into play too often. Also don't forget the lack of STAB which actually makes a big difference on high base power moves like Psychic.
@@Owlr4ider Yup early pokemon especially really boils down to two things. Are you faster than the enemy, and can you kill it in one or two turns. If your faster you can kill enemies before they have a chance to damage or status you. If you can kill things within two turns and are faster than them you effectively only get hit once.
It's basically made nearly all other pokemon stats useless as defense, HP, etc rarely ever makes a difference. Even the highest defense pokemon still tends to die in 2 or 3 turns against super effective attacks. Mean while their offense is so bad they take forever to kill their enemies.
I love what you do for us Jrose, thank you for entertaining me for multiple years of my life with these runs. You and anyone who helps you makes amazing content and it's appreciated
What a beautiful comment ! 😮👌
Wow, I appreciated AJ reminding us that he did the run twice during the elite four when battling Lance. The hydro pumps were vicious lol
Extremely fond of magmar and Electabuzz! I use to run my own little tests with those two years ago. I hope to see a Farfetche'd run soon!
I wish they kept adding a new elemental pokemon each gen in their style (monotype, bipedal, no evolution) would be a good squad to have
I did runs with magby and elekid in firered and they were an absolute blast, this evolutionary line duo are underrated imo
I’ve been watching jrose for almost 7 years now, I’m 19 now, and his videos have gotten me through so much. Listening to them in the back as I study, as I fall asleep, and wondering how he is able to solve any problem he faces. We all love and appreciate everything you do jrose and continually come back for the big brain plays we get ever few months❤
Wow, this comment really made me reflect on just how many times I have listened to or watched jrose videos over the years and yeah, it's like a major background playlist to a lot of my life. Glad you made this comment.
Wait, SEVEN years!
It's always great when Jrose posts. Don't even have to watch the full thing to know this is a banger
Yup, so much better than watching that MDB
Yeah cause it's the same video every time lol
Hey they're cool and both do a great job. No need to compare. Plus MDB has been through a lot lately. Let's send him some positive vibes.
@@MT-or3kz he's always going through something.
I pretty much always insta-click. I haven't even played the OG gen 1 cartridges since the summer of 2003.
Jrose is like "sorry man, i did that second run, i know is not right"
Scott's Thoughts "i did just 87 runs do you think it's enough?"
Just kiding, I love the video. Magmar is my favorite fire pokemon. I'm the guy that aways chose the water starter, so I found this fire type in the late game, with a lot of status moves and put in my team.
Just want to comment that this video really shows off how good you're getting at navigating pokemon in 4x speed. Jrose11 does not miss on videos and he does not miss doors 15 times
Since there was a detour to clear some of Koga's trainers, I wonder if full clearing Celadon Gym for the experience would have helped. Ember could make short work of Erika's trainers and probably not cost too much time.
Early training doesn't matter much in the long run. Low-level‚ not fully evolved Pokémon just give so little XP compared even to Victory Road wild Pokémon.
@@benikujaku4567 Ah. I've wondered why he skips low level gym trainers so often.
The side-by-side comparison of runs made for a very interesting video. I was surprised how little difference Psychic made until I remembered that not very effective Fire Blast (120/2 then 1.5x for STAB = 90) has the same base power as a neutral Psychic. Obviously Psychic still helps by being more reliable, having the chance to drop special, and giving you more PP, but its benefits are a lot more situational than I initially thought.
Indeed. Psychic really was mostly helpful against Koga and the other super effective pokemon in the mid game. By the time he reached bruno, bruno's pokemon were already a joke to flamethrower let alone psychic or fireblast.
Keeping the second run feels right to me since the initial mistake was caused by mis-remembered previous information. Someone using a Magmar for the first time without that previous information would be hard checking every TM to see if it worked.
When I needed another Gen 1 run Jrose comes thru in the clutch 🙌🏾🙌🏾
I use your videos for bedtime, and that's the biggest compliment I can give. The combination of familiar Pokémon and your calming voice just puts me straight to sleep. But I always come back later during the day to see what I missed! Always love your channel.
Literally the whole reason for using magmar over the other fire types is because of psychic. It still doesn't change how terrible fire types are in red/blue though.
Charizard is 'ok' and Arcanine would be good if it actually learnt some good fire moves without having to grind growlith to a stupid level first
I recently realised how much Gen 1 hates fire types. Flamethrower not being a TM is one of those reasons
@@almightyk11Same with the 4G 🥲
@@almightyk11That might be why Moltres learns fire blast but not flamethrower, kind of bizarre for a legendary bird.
@@HylianWindRider That's another example. Articuno naturally get's Ice Beam and Blizzard, Zapdos gets ThunderShock (not bolt, also odd) and Thunder, Moltres get's Fire Spin and Fire Blast. Also A gets Mist, Z gets Light Screen, and M get's Leer... They really hate fire in Gen 1
"This game can be very cruel sometimes"
Ah you young JRose and your content makes me smile. Love these runs!
I actually love the bifurcation in the last two runs. Parallel universe JRose11
"can we beat Pokemon Blue with just a Magmar? Probably, but first, we have to talk about parallel universes..."
Seismic toss would also have been a good move early game .. curious to see if it would have changed it though 🤔
Looking forward to the Electabuzz run next! I'll be interested in seeing a Farfetch'ed run at some point as well.
That battle against Lance with the confusion was actually infuriating. You had that in the bag
I can't get enough of these runs, honestly. Routing, RNGesus, and clever thinking is honestly super entertaining!
Man keeps dropping banger after banger, he just can’t miss
For real though, absolutely fantastic how you turned a mistake into a longer more exploratory episode, really enjoyable to watch 10/10
i drop every video in queue for JRose. JRose if you are reading this, it may be tedious for you, but we love this series. and the impossible challenges are like christmas. dont stop!
Honestly I think your decision to place Magmar where you did on the list is consistent with your decision making in how you have rated all these pokemon up to this point, you never end up penalizing a pokemon for mistakes that you make that are easily preventable to make it as objective as possible and I agree wholeheartedly with your decision tysm for your hard work on this run o7.
Wow, caught this being uploaded 23 seconds after the fact. XD I really like using the black-and-white to differentiate the two runs, good job editor!
This is kinda' eerie. I was JUST thinking _as I was watching_ about how it would be interesting to see the same run done twice to see the difference that makes, and it literally happened in the video.
Spooky!
Oh heck yes! It’s be been waiting on this run for a long time! Awesome Jrose glad to see it out.
I think Victreebel is going to do amazing once it gets its own run. Good speed, good attack and special
I underestimated Victreebell’s increase in speed when it evolves. The potential roadblocks will be under leveled for rival 5/6, Lorelei or Agatha.
In yellow victreebell might be top 3 mons, it's hard to say. It's an absolute behemoth.
Its ironic that a key move Victreebel is known for (Growth) is invalidated by it's high crit rate
Krabby, Kingler, Lickitung, and of course Mew, can learn cut surf and strength each.
This means you can finish the game with truly no other Pokémon.
I wonder how fast this could be done.
Would probably take a lot longer, given of those, only surf is a good move.
@@wadespencer3623 strength is not great but it does the job well enough.
The two types combined also hit everything for neutral in gen 1 afaik. You still get room for body slam or one more coverage move if necessary
But then you'd have just one other move slot, and moves are permanently deleted in this game iirc
@@FadedPhoenixYT yes TMs are permanently deleted and also there is no move remover in gen 1 so you can't delete HMs.
I am specifically curious how much slower this would be since it would be a "true" solo Pokémon run.
@@niikasd
There is one way of getting rid of HM moves in Gen I. The Daycare will remove the first move when a Pokémon levels up and learns a new move. If that move is an HM then it gets deleted. It’s limited, but besides cheat codes, it’s the only way to get rid of HM moves in Gen I.
I think I look forward to your videos more than anyone else's 😅
Yup, so much better than watching that MDB
Second run is absolutely the correct decision in this case. So many Pokémon would have done worse if you forgot to use a decent coverage move. Mistakes happen but the second run with psychic feels like a better reflection of how magmar would perform.
I know people will be like "but Squirtle with badge boost glitch", but the difference there was that this run was an oversight that Magmar can even learn Psychic, while the Badge Boost Glitch was very poorly understood at all when the series started and Squirtle happened.
@@raineob4996Yes.. BUT.... Squirtle with Withdraw... and Slowpoke with Earthquake.... and Starmie with Harden.
I often think about how bemused the Elite Four must be to see this kid turning up over and over again, deploying just one Pokemon each time and bumping into all the walls on his way out.
Just had a terrible day at work. So happy to see this!!!
I'm from Holland and i follow you for a while now. I like how you show every pokemon in your runs and your commentary is just hilarious sometimes. Keep it up dude!💪
Good to see a Jrose video again after all this time 😁
Lance's Gyarados is such a massive WALL for fire-types. I have been doing a few fire-type runs myself at this point and I can't state enough how bad that battle is.
1. You either need to be really lucky and hope that Hydro Pump misses at least twice, and that the HP range does not go below the treshold for Lance to use Hyper Potions.
2. You need to be at such a high level that one of your moves can knock it out in two hits, and that you have enough HP to survive even a critical hit.
3. Pray that you don't get any misses.
My two fire type runs are the following:
Ninetales - Ended up at level 68, with a time of 3:23, and a moveset comprised of Fire Blast, Body Slam, Mimic and Dig. Lance was not that big of a problem for Ninetales due to its high Special stat, and ability to withstand Hydro Pump.
Growlithe - Ended up at level 83! with a time of 6:53, and a moveset comprised of Flamethrower, Body Slam, Mimic and Dig. Lance proved extremely difficult, but once I got past his Gyarados, the run was essentially over.
Now, I have been asking for a while about this, but is there a possibility that you could rank Dewgong? I think this one will surprise you. I re-ranked it recently, and got within striking distance of Mewtwo (by two minutes of game-time)
I did several of these in Yellow. Ninetales was my fastest run overall (5:37) and still had quite a few issues overall. It beat out Vaporeon (5:44).
Obviously, Jolteon was dead last for evolved dogs (9:40)
@@aftertheelectrike1847 The "Punk-Rock Doggo" (thanks Scott for that amazing nickname) does indeed struggle quite a bit compared to its counterparts.
As for the fire-types, I will do a full ranking of all of them to see which one is the very best, and as a bonus run, I will do Moltres, with actual good moves (starting out with Flamethrower and Drill Peck)
My top surprises out of my 11 runs so far (following a mix between Jrose and Scott's Thoughts routes, itemless of course), has been:
Muk - As a poison type, it did surprisingly well. Clocking in at 3:39, at level 65, it was pretty fast through the game, despite being a little slow in the beginning vs. Brock.
Haunter - Amazing performance for being the middle stage. Ended up with a time of 3:01 at level 64, and had really no issues with beating the game pretty fast.
Dewgong - Easily one of the best Pokémon that I have ever used in a run. Underrated and well balanced. It clocked in with a time of 2:42 at level 64 (granted, Mewtwo had a time of 2:40 at level 53). Only Agatha being a little bit troll'ey in the end, but other than that, it was a real walk in the park.
@@aftertheelectrike1847 considering Jrose did Jolteon in 4 hours (and less time than Flareon), I'd say you're probably doing something very wrong with him
@@DJFracus Yellow has a far more difficult Giovanni 3. His team isn't completely incompetent like they are in RB. Bruno was also an issue due to the Onixes having Dig and Jolteon hitting for very low damage against them. Jolteon ended with a time of 9:46, 29 resets, at Level 72.
@@DJFracus Yellow is very hard for Electric types, due to Giovanni being a lot tougher 😅
Oh man, I had no clue that Magmar's (and thus Electabuzz) stats were so... mediocre. I've always though it was on a par with starters final evolutions or perhaps even slightly higher - and it's the same as Tangela's
Even tho you messed up with psychic, the video edit and explaination made up for it hundredfold.
Idk why, but it made the whole "plot" more interesting with some different stuff to talk about x)
And you know what they say, "you're a human, after all" :)
Ty Jrose and AJ to never bore me with your videos ;)
You should be proud of yourself, Jrose!! The colors really set off the topic of todays video!!! Well done!!
I think you should explain Bayes' theorem next to the badge boost glitch in every video description.
Love the Violet Yellow Orange Palette never saw it before it's extremely Cool. Nice gameplay and video I appreciate your efforts and time invested on it
YAY another Jrose video.......seems like i've been waiting MONTHS! lol Glad to see ya still making Pokemon content, your the best Jrose :)
Love Magmar, one of my favorites. Jrose always delivers, I hope you're well bro
When I was a kid I liked Mega Punch? Probably because of the name? Even though the accuracy is garbage.
But this reminded me of when I discovered Body Slam. I always hated recoil moves and I guess I just lumped Take Down, Double-Edge and Body Slam together because they were high power normal type moves that I thought all had recoil damage. Then one day I noticed that Body Slam paralyzes and doesn't have recoil and I was just like "😵...Why do those other moves even exist?!?"
Jrose, I love this series of videos, I love what you're doing and I hope you have smooth sailing to getting a run for every gen 1 pokemon! Also, it really seems some games really discriminate certain types.
Anytime you post, I know my week is going to be a good week. Thank you for everything!
"Ideally we one shot Staryu: and we Star-do... Valley? I don't know" got me lol
Dude you are my favorite Pokemon RUclipsr, keep the great content going up 👌🏻🇨🇴 greetings from Colombia
I legit am postponing the rest of my night by the length of this video. I will gladly miss a walk for this one now. Love ya jrose
Jrose11 there's something about your videos that makes people feel in good company. Thanks man
my dog is getting old and shes been sick recently, but ive been watching your videos to get my mind off of things and its been really helping, thank you jrose :)
This Magmar run gets the OG Bug Catcher official stamp of approval! 👍
Whooo! Time to chill and get cozy. I love watching your vids before bed.❤
It brightens my day when you upload a new video!
first time ever catching a new video of yours! one of my favorite tubers
Jonathan, love the videos. Keep them up!
Congrats on the 300k!
Never miss a JRose run. Excited for when you do Clefable.
"I think were very very close." *checks video time and sees 15 minutes left*
happy to see another of your awesome videos :)
Once again thank you for uploading!
This is a weird thing to like, I don't love pokemon enough to be watching this. But man, you are a legend. This is a good series and you a great personality! keep up the good work brother 💚
thank you for the videos they are as entertaining as ever. Cant wait for the next videos.
great vid man. exeggutor surving that flamethrower isnt too suprising, its one of the best gen 1 pokemon for sure.
Thank you Jrose! So cant wait to watch. Dont even care you messed up,just happy.
Hopefully were alright. Stay safe
Lance's Gyarados is the only thing stopping Fire types from ranking highet in this list.
Well... not the ONLY thing...
@@DJFracusYeah, Rock types are a thing, but they can be beaten thanks to their awful Special.
Love the run brotha 🎉
You know LTT is fked up as a creator when a pokemon challenge run youtuber does a difficult run a 2nd TIME to test the optimal correct path and doesn't gaslight people into thinking it would've been useless. You deserve so many more subs
LTT??
Man I used to listen to this channel when I was over the road! Now I’m going to go back and actually watch everything!
Actually wild how excited I get when I see these pop up on my RUclips feed.
Love your runs=3 Thank you for a great video=3
really excited about seeing the "150" vids, guess it's already down to 149 since the nido combo but still can't wait to see them all !
Holy crap!!! I’ve literally been waiting forever for mags!
A like and comment for the algorithm! I love Magmar, he was one of my all times faves from gen one 🧡
Love these runs, JRose!!
I can't wait to see the other runs you have in store, JRose!
I Love the way this video turned out. Its like how magmar would do in an alternate dimension.
Glad to see you back man
You the man jrose 🤙 crystal playthrough with magmar would be class. Appreciate the hours you put in too, especially gen 2&3...you're tough 🤝 p.s. crystal is the best pokemon game ✌️
I put my earphones in and fall asleep to this. Running thru my childhood games with crazy rules!
Dammit it brother you always come in clutch !
Magmar one of my favorite gen 1 mons, the battle against Magmar and Charizard during Blaines gym battle is one og my favorite episode of the anime
36:58 “Tail whip could’ve helped; woulda raised my Special.” Ah Gen 1, we love you so.
I love these videos. Thanks! 😊
I actually love the "not using psychic" vs. "using psychic" of this run. Made this one of the most interesting gen 1 runs imo. It would be kind of cool to go back and try some other pokemon without a move or two to see how much changes it (porbably some of the better ones, maybe zapdos without thunder or something) also would be cool to revisit old runs and see if your current knowledge of routing and strategies improve their runs by a significant margin
That's a bit brutal an error in moveset management alters the run a bit, but thankfully seems like you damage controlled the situation well enough to prevent the tier list from crumbling. Still was interesting you were honest about this and admitted the error. It's nice to know we can count on you to not withhold information. =)
But yeah, interesting run even if Magmar wasn't exactly top tier regardless.
37:18 I yelled NOOOOOOOOOOOOO hahaha you are one persistent fella
Brutal on psychic, was waiting for it and it never came until the explanation.
I just got outta BMT and I’m so glad to be back and see JRose uploaded!!
Helps me with my anxiety. Love his channel.
A new Jrose video on my birthday. Best gift ever
Can’t wait to see you do this with the magicarp
He did already, it’s impossible because of a mandatory trainer’s Ghastly in Pokémon Tower
Sad, the Karp aren’t so magical after all
Magmar has one of the best color pallets in gen 1, so I knew you would have fun making the pallet for the video.
i really needed this since I didnt want to go to sleep, now i can
Thank you for the upload
I Alway get that Saturday morning little kid watching cartoons feel when I see your uploads...thank you for your efforts... Sandslash for life