Never in my life have I seen a grown man so reluctant to walk back a terrible take like Ticket. Dude is presented with evidence as to why what he's saying is a lie, so he says that Basketball Reference is lying. Get a grip bro. If everyone else is laughing at you, maybe you gotta realize that what you are saying is delusional bro
@@legendarywiimaster he’s a rapper that yells a lot and cuts people off talking just as much. They would basically yell at each other saying let me finish
I’m sorry but ticket makes this unwatchable. He continuously cuts ppl off even after they let him talk uninterrupted. He cuts everybody off and nobody can finish what they have to say. And he’s usually WRONG
@@aquartermil People will stop watching if they keep having him hold the episodes hostage with his dumb ass takes. I usually stop when dude gets on because he just yells and goes into hypotheticals the whole time.
@@ELGUAPOIV y’all are some weak ass men bro lmfaoo how about you get on the panel & shut bro up. Like y’all in these comments whining about another man debating ?? Half y’all don’t even know nor played high levels of basketball so just sit down and listen maybe you’ll learn something. How he holding it hostage when he get kicked & MUTED THE MOST OUT OF ALL OF THEM ?
Ticket kills the show! He’s doesn’t listen and he’s stuck in his ways. Dude a weirdo and has Lebron meat exclusively down his throat constantly! Bruh can’t have a discussion without bringing up Bron🤣🤣🤣
Bruh Ticket is obsessed with needing to be right in the moment of argument. You can't have an honest discussion with him. Also, everyone else is laughing at him not with him lol
I love when I dont see ticket on the panel makes for such a better quality show. I wish the host would put Ticket on mute cuz when he isn't able to talk the show is so good lots of interesting arguments without interruption
Ticket makes me wanna do better in my conversations. My voice is so strong and loud. I can see how I can get on peoples nerves by cutting people off and being extra. Im no Ticket but I can see how this can be disGUSTING.... Im sorry to all of my friends I cut off in convos in life. I can see it
I have never heard of ticket before this and he’s already given me an aneurysm💀💀💀what is he even arguing he has to be trolling there’s no way he was talking bout all these players, gets proven wrong, then moves the goalpost saying they wasn’t significant and that Mario Ellie was the most significant lmaooooo
Chill was actually right. They were all together at least 4 yrs…if they won the chip in the 4th season together, that means it took them 4 yrs for that continuity to work and result in a championship. This dude ticket man smfh…
You gotta respect Ticket for standing his ground and arguing despite all the facts being in front of him Edit: The fact that y'all dislike Ticket so much that you can't take a joke is crazy.
Ticket is a clown. Chill let dude talk without interruption but won’t let anyone rebut without cutting ppl off. He’s literally the Stephen A. Smith of the page. Can’t let a guy get a word in edgewise.
@@generalwipe3955 😂😂😂 stop this man misses a lot, that’s not a knock to ticket but some things he says are either a stretch, or is just flat out not true
Low spit the most and that’s a fact cuz they literally defer to him as the interpreter of basketball reference like he’s an early catholic priest reading the Latin Bible
They were together 3 seasons BEFORE the championship season and won their 4th year. They were together 3 and won their 4tf year together. It's minut but together 3 seasons is not a long time. For example: GSW was together a long time before their 1st championship which was 5 years of being together. Except for Draymon being their just 3 seasons but curry, Thompson, Barnes & bogut was there since 5 seasons when they won the 1st championship
klay 2011/12,12/13,13/14 then ring so they won in klays 4th year,barnes 12/13,13/14 then ring so barnes 3rd year,bogut 12/13,13/14 then ring so boguts 3rd year,and draymond 12/13,13/14 then ring so again 3rd year so no need to lie buddy
@@Dafanzz 3 years in sports is a long time. So their 4th year together they won. For example Miami heat big three era was only 4 years. Joel embiid and Ben Simmons only played together for 4 years and you’d swear it’s forever.
Ticket is trying to force himself to be right… Robert Horry was a hood up & coming player, off the bench, Cassel played great in his role but wasn’t a “main” guy. Otis Thorpe was impact player , Kenny Smith was impact. If they were more impact they would’ve started goofy 😂
@@andrewbennettjr.2093 he was already on it way before ticket asked him. Guy thinks he’s going say things and think it’s not going to get fact checked.
@@judahmourneth3211 lol!🤣😂 true. He gets away with it on his channel… I like ticket though. Hardest working man on RUclips. Wrong a lot but works hard at it…
Ticket needs to learn to let other people talk for more than 15 seconds. He talks for minutes straight and then can't even accept someone needs to be able to answer. He needs to be muted far more.
Do better moderator. If someone is repeatedly hogging the mic and interrupting people as they make their points, mute them. This isn’t rocket science bruh
Ticket don’t kno what a core player is .. Steph klay and draymond are core players .. just cause KD out preformed klay and draymond .. didn’t make him a core player
I understand a difference in opinion. But just being factually incorrect and still talking like you right is another level of ignorance.. that’s that Skip Bayless energy.
Get this ticket guy out of here I can’t watch this crap! The only guy that makes sense is the guy in the right corner and ( the Rockets win both years no matter what this is a bunch of BS ) they won what the hell is the problem shut up
@@Johenz facts and that is a long time to be playing along side someone, that’s 328 games and some change depending on health, playoffs, finals, all star game etc. but I see why Ticket says it not long either because it takes you 1 or 2 years to get to know your guys and how they play, build a bond etc. 3rd year y’all meshing but not enough to get over the hump then the 4th year and up your tryna win a chip
@@TruuxKang nahh a year and a half then exception that second year. By the 3rd year it’s win or bust. You have to factor in the nba is changing all the Time and teams have short windows. Do you have high expectations for the Brooklyn nets? I do and it’s only kid’s 3rd year. Most star prime are only 8 years and nba careers is average of 4 years. 3 years in sports is alot of time
@@Johenz the league is changing and it’s changing for everyone lol that’s no excuse at all. I don’t have high hopes for the nets rn. They are 3rd in the east but they got swept last year so I have no reason to believe they can do better until they actually do
Ticket just over talks people is such a bad listening experience. he needs to learn proper podcast athecate. He does not know how to sit quiet for 1 minute.....
I’m from houston and was raised in our championship squad era, it was my introduction to basketball and both sides are correct lol Houstonian’s think back to that squad and would say the core was Olajuwon, Thorpe, Kenny Smith, Maxwell and then Horry and Sam Cassell in that order. BUT!!! When it came to that finals against the Knicks who ppl had winning cause the city of houston had never won a major championship in any sport some of our core FOLDED and the people who contributed the most were Olajuwon, Thorpe, Horry, Carl Herrera, and then Sam Cassell in that order for the first 5 games. With Maxwell and Kenny smith finally showing up after but had it not been for those above contributions there wouldn’t have been no game 6&7 for the others to show up too Smith especially had TRAGIC games 1-5 where he couldn’t even stay on the court with Derrick Harper for more the 3 mins at most at a time. Leading to tickets point that casssell was more useful in the finals than smith but not all season to get to the finals which is why it is a nuanced discussion in a sense that both sides well chill and low are absolutely right while ticket still has a lot of points that rings true. Which leads me to say they both right but arguing like one another’s wrong which is the heart of sports debate if you ask me lol really enjoyed this one 🔥👍🏾
Why you let Ticket disrespect everyone by interrupting them when he doesn’t allow people interrupting him. Unlistenable is accurate. He also has the “ who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes” disease….
You have to agree with Ticket!! Mario Elie had the biggest impact from the core/role players especially with the Kiss of Death in Game 7 sending the suns packing. Everybody jumps on tickets back but the panel leaves out one of the most IMPORTANT shots of the Rockets back to back run!!!
Ticket let the highlights tell him who was impactful is all & thought he had them. Cassel made his career off being solid for them but wasn’t exactly Sam I Am yet . Horry played great however … true 6th man but the second one he has a bigger impact .
Ticket: Can you fact check Chill, LOW
LOW: everything he’s said so far is a fact.
Also Ticket: No it’s not
🤣🤣 rs tho
black skip bayless
And we learned the real problem. Ticket thinks Sam Cassell and Robert Horry have more impact than seasoned starters.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@kjo2130the black skip “baseless”
Never in my life have I seen a grown man so reluctant to walk back a terrible take like Ticket. Dude is presented with evidence as to why what he's saying is a lie, so he says that Basketball Reference is lying. Get a grip bro. If everyone else is laughing at you, maybe you gotta realize that what you are saying is delusional bro
Never in your life? Skip Bayless?
Guy is socially inept
He is a child
Every time ticket talks about basketball my braincells die
I'd pay big money to see Ticket & Tony Yayo have a conversation
🤣🤣🤣🤣hilarious
It would never end 😂😂😂😂
Who is Tony Yayo and why would it be fun for him and Ticket to have a convo?
@@legendarywiimaster he’s a rapper that yells a lot and cuts people off talking just as much. They would basically yell at each other saying let me finish
@@joejett5084 well now I see that why that conversation would never end
Can we talk abt how PC is so good man
Love the guys. They’re making their own path and doing it well. Keep it up PC🔥
They need a major deal YESTERDAY
its awesome man
gets me through work every time
Without Ticket 👎👎
I’m sorry but ticket makes this unwatchable. He continuously cuts ppl off even after they let him talk uninterrupted. He cuts everybody off and nobody can finish what they have to say. And he’s usually WRONG
Then stop watching lol what be up with you people 😭😂just stop watching !!
@@aquartermil People will stop watching if they keep having him hold the episodes hostage with his dumb ass takes. I usually stop when dude gets on because he just yells and goes into hypotheticals the whole time.
@@aquartermil the comments are literally for us to comment though...
@@ELGUAPOIV y’all are some weak ass men bro lmfaoo how about you get on the panel & shut bro up. Like y’all in these comments whining about another man debating ?? Half y’all don’t even know nor played high levels of basketball so just sit down and listen maybe you’ll learn something. How he holding it hostage when he get kicked & MUTED THE MOST OUT OF ALL OF THEM ?
We love ticket he boo cooking
That’s like saying Wiggins and Poole are the core of the Warriors because they had a huge Impact In the Finals.
At least Wiggins and Poole played better than draymond and Klay. We still say the core is Steph klay and dray 😂
Wiggins definitely had a huge impact in the finals
FACTS THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE W
This man Ticket can’t be Fr bruh 😂😂
Ticket kills the show! He’s doesn’t listen and he’s stuck in his ways. Dude a weirdo and has Lebron meat exclusively down his throat constantly! Bruh can’t have a discussion without bringing up Bron🤣🤣🤣
The Black Skip Bayless 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣...... Get Dude Off The Panel 🤣🤣🤣
Ticket provides most of the entertainment lol
@@X02Overdose right for the show didn’t really take off til ticket
Ticket is hilarious , he may be wrong a lot , but the entertainment is unmatched.
Nah ticket is the only reason I watch without him this how boring
Ticket my guy but he don’t let no one talk. L host get it together
Absolutely agree 💯👌 it's crazy 🤦♂️
He knows he’s losing that’s why so he feels the need to get words in. When you interrupt constantly in debates, it shows weakness
Nah L ticket bc he won’t hush and let others PROVE HIM WRONG lol
@@charcoalcowboy facts talking over ppl not letting ppl get there points out interrupting ppl smdh 🤦♂️
Don't start a sentence with "ticket my guy"😂
Imagine calling people liars but being the biggest liar of them all
Ticket hate being proved wrong 😹😹😹 he still haven't dropped the video on the nets and Celtics smacking Giannis ass in the face yet lol
We Don't Like Stupidity My Guy Sorry 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@GetPackedUp00 ???
It’s just 2 games lol it be ii, but yea ticket is skip bayless 2.0 lmfao.
Yes he did.
Rons got to put Ticket on a tighter leash, he interrupts wayyyyyy too much. Love the show though.
9 months later and Ron ain't done ish🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️. Even Low left the show
@@lazndora2026a year later and now ticket is ruining the brand
Bruh Ticket is obsessed with needing to be right in the moment of argument. You can't have an honest discussion with him. Also, everyone else is laughing at him not with him lol
Ticket gets the most criticism because he’s always the loudest person in the room. That’s just the way it’s always going to be.
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Nah if he was loud and correct he wouldn’t get criticized 😂 mf be wrong 90% of the time. Actual black skip bayless. Arguments riddled with feelings.
He gets the most criticism because he has half a brain cell
And be wrong too
*loud and wrong
I love when I dont see ticket on the panel makes for such a better quality show. I wish the host would put Ticket on mute cuz when he isn't able to talk the show is so good lots of interesting arguments without interruption
Can't argue with someone so hard headed just wasting time
as soon as he's proved wrong he changes the subject.
Ticket makes me wanna do better in my conversations. My voice is so strong and loud. I can see how I can get on peoples nerves by cutting people off and being extra. Im no Ticket but I can see how this can be disGUSTING.... Im sorry to all of my friends I cut off in convos in life. I can see it
I have never heard of ticket before this and he’s already given me an aneurysm💀💀💀what is he even arguing he has to be trolling there’s no way he was talking bout all these players, gets proven wrong, then moves the goalpost saying they wasn’t significant and that Mario Ellie was the most significant lmaooooo
This debate is between "MANY MANY" VS "MANY". Lol😂😂😂
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😂😂😂
The entertainment ticket provides is amazing😂😂
Chill was actually right.
They were all together at least 4 yrs…if they won the chip in the 4th season together, that means it took them 4 yrs for that continuity to work and result in a championship.
This dude ticket man smfh…
I love this channel .... No network can do this, this is all love
You gotta respect Ticket for standing his ground and arguing despite all the facts being in front of him
Edit: The fact that y'all dislike Ticket so much that you can't take a joke is crazy.
How’s that respectable
Bro what lmaooooo no that's stupid cause you can die like that
@@taisontran4727 Because I don't understand how you know you're wrong and still think that you have a valid argument. I don't know how he does it.
Deserves no respect. Dude is delusional.
That doesn’t deserve my respect, that deserves my pity
Ticket TV needs to see a psychiatrist IMMEDIATELY. This is ghastly.
Ticket blatantly lying is visual representative of how being absolutely stupid is considered entertainment in these days.
Big time lying
Look like Robert Horry spent 4 seasons from 92 to 96 with Houston.
Ticket is a clown. Chill let dude talk without interruption but won’t let anyone rebut without cutting ppl off. He’s literally the Stephen A. Smith of the page. Can’t let a guy get a word in edgewise.
Ticket stay taking Ls
I really need the scouting report on him when he played ball. If his game are like his basketball takes, I see why he got cut.
I wanna hear everyone’s ranking of the panel on who spits the most fax’s every live??
Ticket has never missed
@@generalwipe3955 😂😂😂 stop this man misses a lot, that’s not a knock to ticket but some things he says are either a stretch, or is just flat out not true
Low spit the most and that’s a fact cuz they literally defer to him as the interpreter of basketball reference like he’s an early catholic priest reading the Latin Bible
@@generalwipe3955 ticket is mostly an L 😂
@@orangejuice20133 At least he didn't go 4-0
Lol that’s fake news from basketball reference
They were together 3 seasons BEFORE the championship season and won their 4th year. They were together 3 and won their 4tf year together. It's minut but together 3 seasons is not a long time.
For example:
GSW was together a long time before their 1st championship which was 5 years of being together. Except for Draymon being their just 3 seasons but curry, Thompson, Barnes & bogut was there since 5 seasons when they won the 1st championship
klay 2011/12,12/13,13/14 then ring so they won in klays 4th year,barnes 12/13,13/14 then ring so barnes 3rd year,bogut 12/13,13/14 then ring so boguts 3rd year,and draymond 12/13,13/14 then ring so again 3rd year so no need to lie buddy
Trying to save ya boy!
@@JG4TheGOAT okay I counted 2011 so bad example. Main point is 3 years is not very long
@@Dafanzz 3 years in sports is a long time. So their 4th year together they won. For example Miami heat big three era was only 4 years. Joel embiid and Ben Simmons only played together for 4 years and you’d swear it’s forever.
@@Johenz that's taking it too far. Because if that's that case my question is, is 3 years a long career?
Try to land on a part of the video where Ticket isn’t talking
Ticket is trying to force himself to be right… Robert Horry was a hood up & coming player, off the bench, Cassel played great in his role but wasn’t a “main” guy. Otis Thorpe was impact player , Kenny Smith was impact. If they were more impact they would’ve started goofy 😂
Ticket does help make the show entertaining but I wish he wouldn’t cut the other guys off so much and then refuse to be cut off himself.
ticket is by far the worst thing on this show, just straight up nonsense
Yo I like how Low fact checking while ticket and chill going at it…..
Lol! So you missed the part where ticket asked low to fact check….
@@andrewbennettjr.2093 he was already on it way before ticket asked him. Guy thinks he’s going say things and think it’s not going to get fact checked.
@@judahmourneth3211 lol!🤣😂 true. He gets away with it on his channel… I like ticket though. Hardest working man on RUclips. Wrong a lot but works hard at it…
@@andrewbennettjr.2093 the money is is motive.
@@judahmourneth3211 it’s one of his business. I’m not mad at him. His takes be off though. Lol
Ticket needs to learn to let other people talk for more than 15 seconds. He talks for minutes straight and then can't even accept someone needs to be able to answer. He needs to be muted far more.
The average NBA career is 4 years long
Bullcrap
@@legendarywiimaster not wrong the average ball sports career is 4 years long most don’t last after rookie deals
Main man love arguing against facts. It's his perspective or no other way
Sam Cassell had 31 and 3 steals game 2 in the 94 finals.
Did Ticket say the stats he recommended are FAKE NEWS while hes gonna use those same stats to make his point
How do people listen to Ticket?
Dumb people think other dumb people are smart
Even worse... he has fans smh
He is funny and brings energy lol
@@AveryB.0💯
Ticket:............Sam Cassell 🤣 🤣 🤣 dude just admit you were wrong and move on.
Sam Cassell nasty
Ticket is a special kind of guy. 😂
It’s be funny how ticket be talkin ova people then wants you to hold up wen he talkin😂
14:47 😂😂😂😂
Ticket is every kobe/mj Stan lmao
This the most ticky tack thing ever lol
Ron gotta start muting Tickets Mic 🤣🤣🤣
Do better moderator. If someone is repeatedly hogging the mic and interrupting people as they make their points, mute them. This isn’t rocket science bruh
this may be my first and last time seeing this channel if it's the pattern. I need stat convos to abide by the laws of mathematics...
The fact that Ticket actually had a point against what he said but argued it terribly 🤣🤣
Nothing worse than a guy who rants unchecked for minutes at a time, and interrupts everyone within 10 seconds of them starting.
Ticket don’t kno what a core player is .. Steph klay and draymond are core players .. just cause KD out preformed klay and draymond .. didn’t make him a core player
Ron isn't the moderator, he's the instigator😂😂😂
this is the 2023 season bc the playoffs will be in 2023. u dont count the first number in "22-23"
You guys gotta let each other speak
Ticket taking L
Ticket was kinda right
Houston Rockets roster
Kenny Smith 90-96
Clyde 94-98
Vernon 90-95
Sam93-96
I understand a difference in opinion. But just being factually incorrect and still talking like you right is another level of ignorance.. that’s that Skip Bayless energy.
Get this ticket guy out of here I can’t watch this crap! The only guy that makes sense is the guy in the right corner and ( the Rockets win both years no matter what this is a bunch of BS ) they won what the hell is the problem shut up
Ticket the loudest in the room and thinks it makes him right. Straight goofy
Kenny smith was clutch at the end of that mba finals with 3 at the last minute
Only one game and that was against Orlando not the knicks, he was trash against the knicks
@@ericlonette8768 Game 1 Orlando vs Houston last 3 seconds. Check your facts 😂. I would know cos my heart was broken 🤜 TRUE MAGICS FANs would know🤪
I know math is hard, but we gotta try. Ready...1...2...3...4😂😂😂
Stg if ticket wasnt in this would be great. Need to just mute him soon as he interrupts. I wanted to hear what chill had to say.
Why is tickets camera always off?
Mike said Dream was his biggest problem. It would have been his hardest ring, if he got it.
All the facts gettin thrown at ticket
Ticket: no let’s talk facts right now
I can only listen to ticket talk for a few minutes before i have to click off
Ticket is golden 😂 he is so horrible you can’t get rid of him
In this Case The Loudest in the Room is the Most wrong in the room
Tickets point was they weren’t together for “MANY MANY “ years. 4 years and 6 years are many years lol
Especially in sports that’s a long time. Embiid and Simmons only had 4 years together
@@Johenz facts and that is a long time to be playing along side someone, that’s 328 games and some change depending on health, playoffs, finals, all star game etc. but I see why Ticket says it not long either because it takes you 1 or 2 years to get to know your guys and how they play, build a bond etc. 3rd year y’all meshing but not enough to get over the hump then the 4th year and up your tryna win a chip
Which is stupid lol
@@TruuxKang nahh a year and a half then exception that second year. By the 3rd year it’s win or bust. You have to factor in the nba is changing all the Time and teams have short windows. Do you have high expectations for the Brooklyn nets? I do and it’s only kid’s 3rd year. Most star prime are only 8 years and nba careers is average of 4 years. 3 years in sports is alot of time
@@Johenz the league is changing and it’s changing for everyone lol that’s no excuse at all. I don’t have high hopes for the nets rn. They are 3rd in the east but they got swept last year so I have no reason to believe they can do better until they actually do
How do y’all sit back and go back and forth wit bru?
@Ticket on Here Ether Himself😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Guy Mad He Wrong
Ticket just over talks people is such a bad listening experience. he needs to learn proper podcast athecate. He does not know how to sit quiet for 1 minute.....
That's how his channel is all the time also
Literally niggas talking over each other for 3 hours
@@donte102987 bro how can anyone enjoy that. His voice is the only one you can hear and if you try to say anything “TIMEOUT!”
I’m from houston and was raised in our championship squad era, it was my introduction to basketball and both sides are correct lol
Houstonian’s think back to that squad and would say the core was Olajuwon, Thorpe, Kenny Smith, Maxwell and then Horry and Sam Cassell in that order.
BUT!!! When it came to that finals against the Knicks who ppl had winning cause the city of houston had never won a major championship in any sport some of our core FOLDED and the people who contributed the most were
Olajuwon, Thorpe, Horry, Carl Herrera, and then Sam Cassell in that order for the first 5 games. With Maxwell and Kenny smith finally showing up after but had it not been for those above contributions there wouldn’t have been no game 6&7 for the others to show up too
Smith especially had TRAGIC games 1-5 where he couldn’t even stay on the court with Derrick Harper for more the 3 mins at most at a time. Leading to tickets point that casssell was more useful in the finals than smith but not all season to get to the finals which is why it is a nuanced discussion in a sense that both sides well chill and low are absolutely right while ticket still has a lot of points that rings true. Which leads me to say they both right but arguing like one another’s wrong which is the heart of sports debate if you ask me lol really enjoyed this one 🔥👍🏾
Screamin A. Tickless......
@TicketTVmedia are you slow?
Why can’t bro just accept his L 😂
The dumbness ticket speak give me a different type of headache 🤦🏽♂️😂
Ticket sounds like a angry woman that want to be right no matter what. Even when the facts are there
Aye low said ortis thope 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why you let Ticket disrespect everyone by interrupting them when he doesn’t allow people interrupting him. Unlistenable is accurate. He also has the “ who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes” disease….
Ticket is funny man😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ticket is the stereotypical oldhead who’s stubborn asf
Chilltown said four years before the chip season though so they are both still wrong. 😭😭😭
Ticket thought he had them 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ticket talk a lot but he is speaking facts Sam cassel and Robert horry did have a big impact on they championship
He made 5 shots lolololol
Was the first time ticket was quiet
I can’t stand Ticket. Dude just talks over everyone and never lets everyone input their thoughts.
Ticket just loud and makes no actual points
You have to agree with Ticket!! Mario Elie had the biggest impact from the core/role players especially with the Kiss of Death in Game 7 sending the suns packing. Everybody jumps on tickets back but the panel leaves out one of the most IMPORTANT shots of the Rockets back to back run!!!
To even get to that point the CORE PLAYERS have to get you there. So no, ticket is wrong
1 shot doesn’t mean you have a bigger impact. It’s a big shot that’s your job
Ticket = The Black Skip Bayless.
Ticket gotta do a better job of letting ppl talk. Sometimes it's hard to watch and listen.
All that for Ticket to be wrong😂😂😂😂
This was a headache why is ticket arguing/ nitpicking at slight mathematics ??
Ticket let the highlights tell him who was impactful is all & thought he had them. Cassel made his career off being solid for them but wasn’t exactly Sam I Am yet . Horry played great however … true 6th man but the second one he has a bigger impact .
Stats(objective) vs. Eye test(subjective)B.S.