Does Sensor Size Matter? -Robin and Matti Expose The Truth!
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This was the best collaboration video of all time 🙂The subject got covered with good humour and common sense! More of Robin and Matti together please.
Thanks bro. I wish you were here too.
Thanks Aleksi, we are planning more content together!
Yep. Robin's enthusiasm is so infectious and you sparked off each other. Great video.
Thanks for having me @sulantoblogvlog and guys, please don't hate me I STILL LOVE MICRO FOUR THIRDS I PROMISE.
It was all my pleasure and you are welcome again any time.
I love seeing you guys together. I so enjoy both of your channels.
Can’t believe you said mft is a useless trash sensor Robin! I hate you now!
Just kidding.
I think it’s important to acknowledge were mft has it’s limits. A friend of mine has a R5 and I can tell there are differences. My EM 5 Mark III is a fraction of the weight and price though and delivers amazing results too.
I'm a lumix micro four thirds hobbyist photographer , and its good to travel with this system😁
It’s a miserable, grey morning here in London. Our country is falling apart and we are in the early stages of recession. This video was a joy to watch. A real mood-lifter. Thank you guys, that was fun 😅
Thanks. I know how the situation is, we have the same in Finland and the news make me depressed even though I'm so far away. Good to hear we can cheer your day a bit.
Same here in the U.S., our government and economy is awful, the weather is a bit better, but I just added a couple lenses and ordered a Nikon D850 FX to compliment my DX body. Shoot more images and relax.
Don't be depressed, it's not worth the effort. Go and take some photos instead.
I always thought I needed full frame. So I upgraded to full frame. And then, due to the size and weight I didn‘t take everywhere anymore, I didn‘t get the „in the moment“ shots as the people noticed me and started to pose or hide. Moved back to APSC and, even though the camera is not that much smaller, the lenses are and people do not notice me as quick anymore.
Plus, for my type pf photography, there not even a real world image quality difference. So for each their own! 😁
I love when you two get together!! I'm DYING for M43 to progress because it would be so amazing for my use case. Full frame and medium format is beautiful (though I shoot MF film, actually) but I also think light is everything and given the right situation, it can be done and is "good enough". However, "good enough" for us as photographers is not acceptable for big jobs. The beauty of what you do is that you explore all options. Matti - I too stopped doing photography as a profession and don't miss it at ALL! I know you were both probably kidding about telling us how to earn a living doing what you do but part of me wants to know!
Fun video. Love seeing you guys interact. Also, glad there is no brand "ambassador" garbage.
Thanks.
I am not a professional or commercial photographer. When I was looking to buy a camera, I wanted something that was rugged, took good stills, could do some video work and wouldn't need its own seat on a plane for when I traveled with it. I ended up choosing the Lumix G9 along with a couple PL lenses (the 12-60 and 50-200 f/2.8-4) and a 2x teleconverter. That setup is easily packable and extremely versatile giving me focal lengths from 12 - 400mm. That setup is more than enough for my needs. I've used it for wildlife photography, portraits, vlogs, and even astrophotography. I am very happy with the overall bang for the buck this system provides.
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I thought about buying a panasonic lumix camera, but I read reviews that they have auto focus problems. some people complaigned about several models in a row. I saw a g1 i think it was for hundred 50 0off the other day for holidays.
@@deadlycreature3359 The reports about auto-focus problems are greatly exaggerated. I also have a G9 and find the DFD AF to be very fast and accurate for stills. There may be rare cases in video where it hunts a bit if there's a complex background and it's not quite sure where to focus, but that depend on how you use the many settings (and I rarely do video). Of course, "pros" use manual focus...
@@ddsdss256 I see. thanks for explaining this.
Rational choice
Love watching you both Matti and Robin. So refreshing.
Thank you.
You two are great individually and terrific together. Highly entertaining. Thanks for posting.
Thanks so much!
Nice to see you guys together! I was a full time pro in film days. I certainly couldn't use a 35mm for some jobs... 120 film 6x7cm was light years ahead in quality. There was 4"×5" that was essential for some shoots... like high end advertising. Today, m43 is better quality than 120 film was. So for me, as an enthusiast and part time job shooter, m43 has enough quality, and is the most fun to use. I would have FF and maybe MF digital today, if I was a full time photographer, as some clients, or their ad agencies and their graphic design artists, would likely compare my files detail to other photographers, and question my "professionalism".
Thanks for sharing your backstory.
my face is hurting! can't wipe the smile away! what a pleasure watching you two! 😊😊😊
😊 thank you!
in Germany there is an old saying: "Wes Brot ich ess, des Lied ich sing."
He who pays the piper, calls the tune......
I love German sayings😀 Always spot on!
I love watching the both of you. You compliment each other ❤
😊 thank you
I enjoyed seeing you both together on this video, you are putting fun into photography.
Thank you.
Thank you for sharing the true joy of photography, based on passion and personal relationships not just sensor size. Thank you for the lightheartedness and laughter! Happy Holidays! ❤
Thanks and Happy Holidays to you too.
Thank you for this video, what a wonderful surprise! My camera is the Lumix FZ 200...I love it because it pushes me all time to take better pictures instead of complaining about what the camera can not do or doesn't have...
Thank you.
Photography competitions no judge will ever consider the equipment as part of the scoring. People forget photography is an art form and cameras are just tools. In the case of commercial photography clients still prioritize on the content and character of the photography, not megapixels. As long as it is sufficient to satisfy the final output detail, being print or on screens, it doesn't matter if you have 20 or 60 MP. Commercial printing for photos is still largely 300lpi. For something like 20MP that's enough to print 30" photos. Beyond that the MP is requirement is strictly technical.
Thanks for sharing.
Great to see both of you in the video together. Love the banter!
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Thanks guys. One of your best videos. “Being a hobbyist or enthusiast is the best part of being a photographer!” My joy and enthusiasm from photography is more important than my gear. Cheers!
Thanks so much.
As a hobby photographer and videographer, I continue to be happy with MFT. The Lumix G9 is still the perfect photo and video travel camera for me in 2022. With the PL 8-18, PL 12-60, Lumix 100-300 and Lumix 1.7/25, the equipment weighs less than 2 kilograms and covers a focal length of 16-600 mm 35 mm equivalent. As always, a very entertaining and interesting post. Keep up the good work!
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lovely people 😊 enjoying your conversations and obscene banter 📸
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I’m working professionally with video and photography since 1996 and I worked and work with different systems and sensor size Cameras. But I use MFT 90% of the time. I don’t need a Porsche to drive to the supermarket. They are just tools!
But Porsche is a lot fun regardless of where you drive😀
@@mattisulanto yes it is! :) But sometimes the Land Rover Defender is the best and most fun car to use.
@@TITAOSTEIN Yes! I have owned four Defenders and can confirm, that it's a lot of fun. Not I only have a Porsche for summer fun😀
Hey Matti and Robin!! As a Portuguese enthusiast who hasn't earned a ridiculous amount of money with photography too... I can say with a perfect clear opinion I do not miss my FF dslr that I sold to buy my Fuji XT 2. Fuji APSC is more than enough for my needs in my concert and landscape photography and I love it. For my everyday and everywhere camera I use also my MFT em10 mkiii that is itself more than enough for my needs.
I choose lenses over câmera bodies anyday of the week.
I think I speak for all when I say your partnership and friendship doing these videos is amazing!! Please keep it up and we are looking forward for more videos.
All the best to you guys!!!
Thanks, my friend.
So much fun watching the both of you. The GH6 has the 26.5 mp far as I know that’s the largest the M4/3 has done. I did a photo shoot recently with my LUMIX S5 and the G9 with Leica lenses. The client was impressed with the shots. And I forgot how much fun the G9 was, like a old friend meeting again. Great video guys.
Thanks!
Yep--G9 rules! I'd consider a GH6 (which actually has 25MP or 100MP in high-res mode) but I'm waiting for a more photo-centric G9 successor with a battery grip.
Didn't expect to see you two in a video together. I always appreciate your input on the topic of photography and having Robin giving his 2 cents elevated this video even more. Keep it coming!
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Hi Matti that was a great video, a real treat and I enjoyed every minute. Tomorrow is my last day at work as I am retiring at 69 years old. I rediscovered my love for photography about three years ago. Some change in my life and I picked up my camera again and started learning again. I am ready to purchase my next camera which will be with me for my retirement years. I am still thinking about what I will need from the camera, and I'm taking my time, doing my homework and watching great videos like yours. I will be photographing for my own pleasure and perhaps to share images with my friends. I think it will also be a journey of self-discovery.
Thanks so much for sharing that. I wish you the best retirement time and hope photography will bring a bit of extra joy into your life.
Wow, my favorite photographers meet finally, as a hobbyist photographer i want to meet you two if I happen to be in your country , i'll be in Norway this coming May 2023 , i would love to side trip and see Finland too but my time there in Norway is only a week.
Nice conversation and video format! Being an educated photographer myself, I especially agree that being an amateur photographer is the best side of photography. I‘d like to add some points to the sensor discussion: From physics, sensor size does not affect noise in low light-that is all about light gathering and thus lens size. But large pixels can collect more photons, resulting in higher dynamic range. The larger lenses have less diffraction but at the same time less depth of field. So with medium format cameras one will often need focus stacking.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
What a fun video and a great topic. I´m a hobbyist at best. more like a camera geek and the secondhand market is my happy place. Just bougth my first ever Olympus camera and lens in the M4/3. It strugless little bit in the dark here in Finland but the little daylight we get it´s a great piece of kit.
Thanks for sharing!
When the two kindest photographers meet it is a blast for us
Thank you so much.
I've started to think of micro four thirds as almost a variant of aps c. It is smaller, but then, canon aps c is in between too. I can't deny low light performance is the struggle for MFT. But sometimes a MFT image I take makes me go "wow, I couldn't take that any better".
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Why not have a go at the MFT medium. You could always buy a good second hand camera and try it out before committing yourself to the medium completely. Good luck.
Answer: depends on what is your priority. OOF areas? Reach? Portability (there's a market for as summarons after all)? Low light / noise? ... any unqualified answer too sweeping to be believed.
That was cool. Enjoying your vlogs!
I found that especially male clients expect me to bring a BIG looking camera with lots of BIG lenses. So I get the Lumix FF out first, then the little Olympus. In the end, they often chose the MFT pictures. My theory is that the model/subject is more relaxed with the informal, smaller camera. When they say "that's a nice little camera", I know I'm going to get the shot.
Doesn't work with products, though. Beer and chocolate seem to demand full frame and hi-res...
Thanks for sharing!!
I agree that in extreme situations where you must deliver a specific result for a demanding client, you'd be well-advised to "hedge your bets" by using Matti's "150% capability" (or more) rule. For "fine art" photography, however, there are very few situations where MFT's 16-25MP isn't more than sufficient. Content, composition, lighting, etc. are what matter, not pixels or anything remotely "technical." Although some still prefer larger-format cameras, there are many cases where the greater portability, DoF flexibility, speed, and other advantages of MFT over "FF" more than make up for the slight DR limitation (which can be overcome in most cases by bracketing) or noise (which can easily be dealt with). I agree with Robin that it would be nice if MFT (and 1" sensor) got a little more aggressive development, but the OM-1 and GH6 have made some strides (although I'm still waiting for a true G9 replacement). Sure, there is still no true substitute for a large-format view camera (not for the size but the parallax adjustment, although tilt-shifts and DxO ViewPoint are impressive), but those are impractical for most situations (hats off to Ansel for lugging them around, although I'll bet if he were still around he'd be using MFT!).
Thanks for sharing.
Everything's a compromise - pick something that sits on your side of size/price/quality triangle. I chose m43, because I want to be able to take the camera with me wherever I go.
Thank you.
Finally, we have MFT Panasonic G9ii - 25MP. If you'll be lucky to get a one or at least borrow for a few days - please do a review on your or Robin's channel.
I love this energy in and casual nature. I shoot apsc for the moment. I haven’t made the jump to full frame. I enjoy the Sony system because my lens can follow me if make the upgrade.
Thank you.
What a great partnership. You've nailed the sensor size argument for me. I shoot for fun in MFT and APS-C (16-24 MP) and they're sufficient for my needs. I have no real desire at present to migrate to full frame or larger sensors. Thanks guys, looking forward to more from both of you. You work well together. Cheers.
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I concur with what you guys are saying. When I was pro, we shot Mamiya medium format cameras when it mattered, and Nikon full frame DSLRs when it didn't, for example studio portraits and such. For events, we used crop sensor DSLRs. I shot my Canon as an assistant.
I had the most fun doing that stuff, quick capturing moments, so that's why I moved over to micro four thirds for small size and easy shooting. And sensor shift stabilization.
I think soon I'll probably buy a Sigma full framer for some giggles, but it's going to be gigantic even though it's small due to the lenses. I just don't think I would need to move on from my system for my purposes, even on my rare paid shoots nowadays.
Unless I got an obscene amount of money. In that case I'm picking up a Hasselblad or some shit.
Thanks for sharing.
Very good video. I chose MFT, because I was happy with my small Olympus SLR’s. Now, I have my doubts. Yes, the lenses are still small and light. But also dynamic range, low light and cropping is small. I forgot that previously the film decided that. Not the camera.
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I use Olympus for weight & cost mainly, I find 20 MP is well enough and Olympus colour,s are the best rendition. The menu,s are complicated but worth studying to get the best out the OMD camera,s. Even my Pen 7 is packed with features, you would not know because the manual is lamentable.
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So nice to see 2 of my M4/3 heroes together in one video :)
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Sensor size does not matter as long as you have enough light or can have a lens with a wide enough aperture to meet the needs that you have. Realistically though it just becomes easier (and cheaper) to get the shot with a full frame setup. If you need low light performance, or shallow depth of field... it's going to be much easier and much cheaper to get that with full frame. You can get 50mm or 85mm F1.8 lenses for around $250 or $600 respectively. To get the same effect in M4/3 you are going to need ~ F0.9. The closest M/4 lens for 50mm equivalent is F1.4 for $350 and will give about the same low light and DOF as a 50mm F2.8. The closest for an 85mm is the 42.5mm F1.2 at $1200 which would give about the same low light performance and DOF as an 85mm F2.4. If you don't need the shallow DOF or low light performance though... man those smaller sensors offer an advantage of weight savings. For reference I shoot Full Frame, APS-C, MFT, or a 1 inch sensor depending on where I am and what I am shooting... I agree I am lucky to have enough money to spend on all these cameras to give me options, but if I could only have 1, I would probably choose a full frame setup because it gives the most flexibility and options... for most people new to photography APS-C is usually the best compromise. Realistically though... if your image is compelling.... NONE OF THIS MATTERS. You can have a great full frame, or even medium format camera system and take terrible photos. Use what makes it easy for you to get the shot you want... you can always change it up later.
Thanks for your insights.
Great to see you two together! Initially, I thought you might be comparing Micro Four Thirds with the Panasonic FF cameras.
Thanks. We were just chatting😀
Great video, Matti! It's great to see you both on the screen. I am liking your and Robin's Ricoh/Pentax show.
Are you going around South-East Asia or even Oceana? If so, hit me up and I can show you my Pentax K-3. I use it for nature and wildlife and for street with vntage manual lenses. Cheers.
Thanks. I'll probably travel a bit around South-East Asia, but not further down south this time.
I've been an Industrial photographer for more than 40 years. My main camera was a Sinar P 5x4. Interestingly rarely were shots reproduced bigger than A4 except occasionally for exhibitions within the various industries. I used the Sinar mainly because of the movements and the ability to paint with flash and do multiple exposure. I also have the ability to retouch directly on the transparency.
In those days the skills required to produce world class award winning images was exceptionally high.
When digital came along I eventually bought a Canon 20d which if I recall was 8 megapixels. Perfectly acceptable for all the work I did. I now use 16 megapixels and have no need for more. Photoshop has replaced the multiple exposure techniques and multiple light sources are easily handled by digital and easily adjustable in Photoshop.
Having the high profesional skills from the past allows me to use modern technology with ease. It's much easier now to take industrial images. I no longer carry 6k bowens packs around with lighting stands and a heavy Sinar.
The photographic camera manufacturers have brain washed photographers into purchasing cameras the don't need. I understand why. Its the only way they can make money. My personal daily camera is a 1952 Leica iiif with a 50mm Elmar f3.5.
Thanks for your insights.
Love my d850…. For group pics…. Family pics… more is better. Period.
Thanks. Well said😀
Nice to se you two together 👌👍
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Nice video, Matti and Robin! I prefer film, but since that's expensive, I often shoot digital. I can still use my vintage lenses though, and they were made for full frame, hence, in order to get the most out of them, I changed (for the most) from APS-C to full frame.
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How to shoot night event portrait photography is so hard for me n my camera settings n flash setting.U shoot r so looking amazing 😍😍
👏👏👏 very nice indeed, both of you are great, thanks
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Hey Matti it’s so nice to see you laughing! I really like your videos but you are in general very serious. But now I see a different Matti… very very nice! You two together seems a very good team! Thanks a lot for the video!‼️👍☺️
Thanks. I know I look serious and I can't really do much about that, because that's how I look. However, I don't think I'm a serious personality.
For me, photography is about seeing a potential picture, and then capturing it so that much later on I can look at the photo and still be pleased with my efforts. And, looking back over 22 years of digital photography, I find that some still please me regardless of sensor, even 2 MP photos from 2001. Of course, those 2 MP images won't fare well when printed on a huge billboard, but to face reality I bet that today the majority of photos are viewed on a phone screen, smaller than the domestic prints of 50+ years ago.
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Well said. I have the same view about the value of the picture and not the equipment. I’ve actually gone back to a camera with a crop sensor just because the camera is a pleasure to use and I don’t print any larger than A3. I hope you would consider making a video of your work and the cameras you use as an explanation of why your approach to photography is so important and balanced. It would be a good antidote to the excessive amount of tech obsessed, partisan sensor worshipers.
@@tonygarrett7214 Well, I still like equipment, after most of my working life was in engineering I suppose I would. Modern cameras can be works of art themselves. I don't have any particular photographic philosophy, it's just one of a few unrelated things I do.
I also like listening to live classical music and my attitude to that is similar. Many of my friends are always looking for the perfect performance, but listening close up to orchestras where I can watch the musicians brings me great joy in itself.
In most things, if you seek perfection, be prepared for disappointment. So enjoy what is real and attainable.
Always good to see Robin! KL is such a beautiful place! And I’m curious about your sling bag, is it generic or is it a camera specific bag?
That is an old Golla bag and I think it was originally designed as a camera bag.
I have the new olympus om-1 with 12-100 lens and the old em-5 mk111 with the 12-45 f4 lens……I’ve just bought a fujifilm xt-5 with the 16-55 f2.8 and although the noise factor of the Fuji appears marginally better than the olympus it appears to me to lag behind in sharpness, focussing and image stabilisation……only time will tell, as I might need to spend more time getting the best out of the Fuji…….I’m amazed just how good the Olympus gear is….📸🇬🇧👍
Thanks for sharing.
The pretty courtyard is very similar to the court at the Boston Public Library. Hidden and beautiful spot in the city! (It's not quite as big).
Thanks. Would be nice to visit Boston one day.
I was watching this smile on my face. Nice and good feelings.
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Pity you guys live so far apart. This was so enjoyable to watch!
What, now we are in the same city. Not far apart at all😀
Looking forward to next week's video on "How to get paid an obscene amount of money for taking pictures".
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You will know that when it happens one day, when I miraculously have a medium format camera.
@@robinwong Mmmmmmm.......Hasselblad.
As a micro 4/3rds user the only issue I have is in low light situations and shooting birds a long way in the distance with subsequent heavy cropping. However, there is only one other camera and lens available that ticks all the boxes for me especially with size and weight - The Sony a1 camera and 100-400mm lens with x1.4 TC. Nice to see you together on a video clip 😊😊
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I've had great success even with BIF against complex backgrounds using a G9 and Leica 100-400 (which has of course a 200-800mm EFL, so not much of a need to crop and 6.5 stops of dual IS).
There's absolutely nothing wrong with shooting on sensors smaller than full frame. Hobbyists, wildlife, and sports shooters will benefit greatly from the affordability/extended reach. However, anybody that tries to tell you that you can achieve the same results as full frame by "using focal reducer and move camera and use noise reduction for low light" is just heavily coping. Full frame has very real benefits -- it's just that not everybody will notice or fully utilize them!
Thanks for sharing.
Great fun to see you together. 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
So the real difference between FF and M4/3 is an obscene amount of money. 🤣
No, that's the difference between MFT and MF😅
Excellent video you guys are brilliant together, appreciate your open honest opinions :)
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Of course sensor size matters, but what matters more is the sharpness of the lens because if you can get away with a not so sharp lens on FF, on M4/3 a soft lens will produce bad results. This is something that I've tested with vintage glass that were made for 35mm film so the same lens is usable on FF but not so much on m4/3. Stabilisation is another key factor so IBIS is going to matter as well and finally.. the usage of external flash. this is a game changer. With enough light and a sharp lens, the M4/3 sensor is getting close to FF
What a great convo👍😉....m43 will always have its place in photopgraphy 👌
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Watched your several videos in the past. I am surprised you are here in Malaysia. Warm welcome.
Thanks. I have been here many times before and I like it here.
Welcome back to Malaysia!
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Nice to see Matti made it where. As for sensor size... Often they say the bigger the better. But... Speaking about Matti's Ricoh. I'm much more happy with Ricoh GRD III. Not GR III , but GRD III. It has faster lens f1.9 and it has smaller sensor. So, everything is in focus at one meter snap focus even at f1.9. No high ISO digital amplification is needed. Works great for me on the streets and else, where I want as much as possible in focus.
Thanks for sharing.
There are so many great, history-making photographs shot with much less then what we have now. On very slow film, with manual lenses lacking all the correction glasses, on bodies with very high max shutterspeed, often witohut TTL or any inbuild light metering with photographer relying on external light meter or "just" experience.
And nowadays, with bodies able to process ISO 6400 without issues (imagine ASA6400 color film?) with supercorrected lenses and resolution being so good that you can print A3 or A2 from P&S camera without any issue? We are still fighting over what is better? m43 or FF? APS-C or MF? Come on. Like Robin says (sorry Matti :)) - go out and take some photographs.
Back in the day photographers used the best gear and equipment available at their time. Just to let you know, I use every sensor size from 1 inch to FF. I'm not a proponent of any particular sensor.
Great, guys. Two of my favorite youtubers from two my favorite cities together. Bring Peter F. along, and it's complete.
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Only depends on how big you print 😊 and how much you want to be carrying around 😅
That’s some Emmy award winning acting 😂
We both are multi talents😂
Osta sille Robinille käytetty a7rII , (800€) joululahjaksi niin ei tarvi raukan kärvistellä leluvehkeillä. Pääsis sitten kroppailemaan ja olis hämärässä harmaan sävyjä eikä vaan mustaa. Robin vaikuttaa mukavalta kaverilta.
No kyllä Robinin kuvat on muutakin kuin mustaa hämärässä😀
En ole väittänyt että Robinin kuvat ovat mustaa hämärässä, kirjoitin yleisesti.. Mutta väitän, että täyskenno kameralla saa hämärässä parempia kuvia. Tämä asia nyt vaan on fakta ja pitää hyväksyä, eikä rimpuilla vastaan kuin joku pikkulapsi.
@@erkko69 No ei kai sitä vastaan kukaan rimpuilekaan. Robin sanoi videolla ihan selvästi, että täyskenno on parempi hämärässä, parempi dynamiikka jne. Robin on sen sanonut vaikka kuinka monella videolla.
Love these chats guys!!! Thank you
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Great video, guys. In my opinion, modern M4/3 camera bodies have a lot of built in functionality that can help to overcome many of the negative issues with a smaller sensor. When you pair that with more advanced software features such as DxO Deep Prime and similar, you can produce images that stand up to APSC or even full frame. Also, something that doesn't get discussed enough is the importance of great lenses. This is especially important for small sensor formats. Luckily, there are many exceptional lenses available for both micro four thirds and APSC. The biggest downside for me is the 20mpx sensor. The ability to crop in is pretty limited compared to full frame and I would love to see a 30+ mpx micro four thirds sensor in the future. Let's see what happens.
Yeah, it seems with Full Frame there is just more leeway to have better results in low light and to get higher resolution in photos. The resolution for Micro 4/3 is likely nearing the limits with the GH6 at 24MP due to pixel size and lens capabilities. For 4k video, this doesn't seem to matter as much and can actually be an advantage due to better stabilization, lower processing requirements, lower heat production, and potentially lighter weight lenses. So for run-and-gun non-pro setups or amateurs, the best compromise of quality/weight/cost is likely M4/3, but Full Frame will always be the choice when you need even more resolution and better low light performance.
@@Bristecom Yes, well said. Although I shoot M4/3, I have thought about getting a full frame camera for landscape photography. For my street/urban work, micro four thirds is more than sufficient and I like the small, unobtrusive size of my Olympus Pen F and E-P5 cameras.
Probably the only video about sensor size that I enjoyed! 😉
Wow, that a lot to say. Thanks😀
I enjoyed the collaboration. Great humor.
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Hello again. please no panic...... Yesterday I found a video of Thomas Eisl. He compared his both systems - Nikon Dslr and OM-1. Very special, very personal, but also interesting. And he did it without the word "sensorsize"! For him matters size only in kilograms
Thanks. I don't know Mr. Eisl, but I wonder if only size and kilograms matter, why doesn't he use his phone camera?
@@mattisulanto sorry you did not understand my words. He compares his both used and beloved systems. Sensor size is not a theme in this comparison, otherwise the weight of his gear.
Truth! Thank you Matti and Robin.
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My two favourite dudes in one video! Fantastic!
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You guys are wonderful together! Superhero team up.
Thank you.
What camera did Robin use for the wonderful concert shots? And what black and white setting did Mstti use on the Ricoh for the wonderful street shots?
I used Lightroom settings, but not any specific settings. I have to ask Robin what the camera was.
It is interesting that digital Medium Format really isn't that much bigger than full frame. On film the negatives are nearly 3 times bigger, by area, and the step up in quality for printing is huge. Full frame film is still a lot of fun and, especially with small folding cameras and TLRs, it's not super expensive. Higher end gear is still quite expensive of course, but is in a similar price bracket to digital full frame (too rich for my blood).
The biggest MF digital sensor is about the same size as 645 film, but the most used MF digital sensor is only slightly bigger than FF digital.
But yeah, for example 6x7 film frame is huge and about 4 times the area of a 35mm frame.
@@mattisulanto Yeah, so called crop MF is about 70% bigger then 35mm sensor and to be honest it beat any 35mm sensor out there when it come to image quality.Now days MF cameras are also cheaper then the high end FF .
Resolution, hmm, the GH6 has 25.2Mp, but as you probably know there is a 41Mp 4/3 super-sensor under development and nearing completion.
Dynamic range - the A7iii can claim up to 15 stops DR, the OM-1 some 12.7 stops and the the G9 13.7 stops, depending on who tested it. And that can be a bit of a lottery, these being the highest figures. And despite four years to do it dxomark still has not tested the G9 😢 There is as always some trade-off of DR for lower noise as ISO increases.
Medium format, hmm, first camera, ancient Kodak Box-Brownie roll film ;)
Thank you.
WooHOOoO! Pentax!
I always laugh at people calling themselves a professional photographer. I was in photography for over 50 years and never called myself a professional photographer. I did, however, called myself a commercial photographer, because I work for a firm and did catalog product photography. Nine to five job. No exotic locations with beautiful supermodels and jet setting around the world. I used various medium format cameras and a Linhof Technika 4x5 studio camera. I’m retired and just pursue it as a hobby now. I miss those days.
True, everyone calls themselves professionals these days😀 What you describe was life for most photographers back in the day. It was a job among others. Today we have to glamorize everything and try to make it look better and more than it really is.
Great video, guys! :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Size matter! With my FF my arms are now stronger...
Double benefit, better camera and better arms😀
For legacy lens it's easy : for wide angle it's FF sensor, in need a long reach? take a M43 sensor.
Thanks for your tips.
Is a Bugatti Chiron faster than a BMW M3, definitely. Is the M3 fast enough, definitely.
Wrong question, seeking absolute terms, isolated from the myriad of questions we have to navigate through.
Does sensor size matter is not the right question. Of course it matters. The real question is how does it matter? I think that what Robin says is absolutely true....pick the right tool for the job. If I am on vacation I do not want to be carrying around a Medium Format camera and the large lenses that go along with it. I don't even want a FF camera since as a package it is still pretty large. I like my Fuji X100V as it is small enough to be fun while still getting good results. I am sure I could put together a M4/3 system or another APS system that would also fit this bill. Often when I am out and about and need to capture an image my cell phone camera is plenty good enough.
Thanks for sharing.
When is Matti going to give Robin a tour of his homeland? Take us on a photo tour!
Maybe some day we'll do that with Robin.
I would say the more DOF and/or dynamic range means to your photography then yes, otherwise no.
I think there was a good point to make about understanding the type of photography you're doing. Giant billboards? Probably go hi-res FF. For most people, a good FF, APS-C or MFT will do it with the right lenses. I'm rocking a G9 right now and will probably keep it but also get the S1R or S5 to try FF since the IBIS and features are great for their prices used. A G9II with 40 MP stacked sensor would be lovely , though.
Thanks for sharing.
No, you do not need more MP for a billboard because of the greater viewing distance.
I want to see Robin in Finland one day!! Great vids!
Thanks.
Great time to go on vacation. Finland is getting cold. I'm in Boston it's getting cold now. I want to go to Florida.
It is cold already in Finland. Florida does not sound too bad either.
(sensor) size matters!
Right now for me the best Camera are Sony A7RIV which are very versatile, I can do high quality Landscape photography with the best prime Lenses and I can use the Camera in APSC mode when I do not need high resolution, so I have "two cameras" in one Camera.
Thanks. The A7R (all of them) has it's upsides definitely and there are never too many pixels😀
@@mattisulanto 🤗