Excellent compact overview! Thank you, Matti. Especially your ending: find the camera you are comfortable with. I chose MFT, because size and weight are important to me, although it means less dynamic range. I taught myself that, when I feel sad because some highlights will be blown out, I should look around for someone toting a full frame with a big zoom. I instantly feel happy again.
Maybe get a m43 body that can shoot 10 bit video with some type of log? M43 has some limitations but I love my gx85 for travel. So compact but shoots well.
I started my phographic journey 16 years ago with a basic Pentax DSLR, i was able to photograph many different subjects, including events . I still enjoy using them today, some people still use film cameras as a way to visit their past but for me I never connected to film photography so when I want to visit my past i break out one of my many Pentax cameras. Over the years I added cameras from multiple manufacturers covering Full frame, APSC and Micro 4/3, i also added a Fujifilm XT3 and XT5 along with the Nikon ZF and Zfc when I want to go old school. The selection of cameras today is unlike any time in my life and people that want to get a taste of what it is like to use a piece of modern history should now more than ever considered replacing their cellphone as a means of taking photographs. When I started 16 years ago i had no idea how involved I would get in digital photography but today I own 7 full frame cameras, 10 apsc and 5 Micro 4/3 cameras.
Nice informative video! Was a Nikon shooter for decades and switched to Fuji because at the time Nikon hadn’t sorted out their mirrorless roadmap, it was just before the Z systems and Fuji was so very seductive. Still with Fuji but switched from the XT system to the GFX and I am thrilled.
Hi Matti. I mas following since you were a Lumix Ambassador. I chose Lumix G9 and Ive been very happy with it for last two years. For me it was my first entry into photography and I have learnt a lot since then. I like to shoot birds and also street photography. The main disappointment after using the G9 was the AF and also, since its a MFT system shooting in low light. High ISO made a lot of noise. Its a a simple menu and I still love this camera. Will continue to use it for birding with the PL100-400. Today I will receive the Sony A7IV. I have grown as a photographer and plan to use this new camera more for street photography in the city. I know the AF is great on the Sony however not so great with the IBIS. But, I guess you can't have a perfect camera. Again, thank you.
Found this a wonderful overview! Thank you! Can I suggest a similar format but by usage; ie; for travel (in two formats- hiking/backpacking and city/country), standard photography, wildlife, portraits and events. You would likely cover everything from mft to medium formats and could be fun…likely give you material for 3 or 4 videos.
I just got the Olympus E-P7, love the small size factor, 20 MB sensor with uncrop readout even at 4K, high data rate for 1080p (52 Mbps) and in-camera color grading.
I was invested in the Canon M system and loving it. Once it began to look as if they were going to kill it, I just couldn't get over how betrayed I felt. 😅 I was also sick of constantly wondering if I should buy this lens or that and then having to worry about whether there would even be a body to support that lens in the future. No more. I sold it all and now only own a Ricoh GRII, Ricoh GRIIIx, and a flash. Granted, I don't do photography for a living, but I am so much happier and inspired this way. I never want to think about lenses or gear again.
I mostly use Panasonic M4/3 and a Canon RP. The RP produces excellent images and the Lumix is not far behind. But I just have difficulties with EVF’s (including the G9 which I rented recently). So for shooting outside, I fall back to my Canon 5D and a couple of EF lenses. I can actually see what I am shooting and focusing is instant. No auto anything except the usual PASM modes and 9 or 11 focus points of which I rarely use any but the center. Great results when you nail focus. The 2005 era sensor has 12 gorgeous MP . Quite croppable for posting on line. Only good for certain uses but great results when it is in its element. By recycling old cheap equipment, you are not limited to one camera for everything.
Excellent analysis of the mirrorless market. The size of the sensor determines the purchase of the device and I agree with the selection (Lumix, Fuji, Sony).
I switched from Canon DSLR to Sony mirrorless Cameras, because Sony have excellent mirrorless Cameras and excellent Lenses and you can get many third party Lenses for the Sony E-mount system, I like the size and weight of the Sony A7RIV, it is a bit like fx Nikon FE and Leica R4 Cameras which I also think back in the 80´s had a very good size and weight. My favorite Lenses for Sony are Voigtländer APO-Lanthar Lenses. I still want to see a full frame compact Camera in style like the Contax T (first version) and Minox 35 ML.
Finally, I got the Z9 to replace the D3 that I have been using for about 13 years. Since there is no such thing as the best choice but my own choice and I'm happy with it. Not to mention by chance, it also carries the tradition of my first camera, the F2A + MD + BP from over four decades ago in build, size & weight. That being said, the Z9 is what I like for my main camera. Otherwise, there are DSLR, APS-C, M4/3, P&S and smartphones on hand for other uses and situations. Round peg for the round hole. 🙂
Nice, brief, summary Matt. I am sure there are many who are not yet ready to buy into the mirrorless systems (especially with the cost of DSLRs dropping around the holidays - and the vast number of cheaper lenses available on the second hand markets). That said, I recently realized out on a fun shoot, that I had forgotten my main camera (Z9 - only mirrorless body) at home, and had to pull out the trusty, rusty 2008 12 megapixel D700 (which I had not used in some time). I faced the same thing most mirrorless shooters might going backwards (from mirrorless to DSLR) especially from the Z9 to D700. The entire capture process had to slow down (sometimes good, many times not), metering was more problematic, there was no AI-human eye detect, AF was in general slower, and the noise and vibration from shutter slap was enormous. I swore, at that moment, I would not shoot DSLRs again. Then I looked at the image quality of the lower resolution, higher pixel pitch, organic noise, smaller files, fewer files - because of the maximum 5 fps with normal battery I had to comb through with beautiful colors SOOC. All this to say, if you are shooting DSLRs, good for you, and don't let anyone tell you different. If you've moved on to mirrorless (as the companies want you to), you are already probably aware of the benefits outweighing most of the downside. One thing not mentioned in this video about the variety of lenses available is the current state of more recent optic. More glass, less light transmission, poorer micro contrast and resultant 3D pop or depth of an image, but better edge to edge sharpness, control of longitudinal and latitudinal chromatic aberration and higher cost. You place Sony high in your rankings (and I completely understand why), but their lenses are relatively expensive and they outdate their models nearly every 2 years (or so it seems). What helps Sony, is, as you mention, the availability of third party glass. We will see if Nikon can accelerate their return to the mountain with opening up their lens mount for 3rd party development.
Switched from Sony APSC to Olympus MFT. To be exact I had Sony alpha 6300 with the holy Sigma Trinity and 24-135mm Zoom. It was a very good camera no doubt, fast AF, strong in low light but after I used Em5 mark II I fell in love with Olympus (OMD). It was definitely slower as the Alpha 6300 and had some troubles so I bought em5 mark III and invested everything into MFT and sold all my Sony gear.
I switched from Sony DSLR (A-Mount) to MFT and it was the best thing I could ever do as MFT is so much smaller, lighter and cheaper than the Sony E-Mount which was the alternative. Additionally it was an incredible step in image quality from my Sony DSLR to the Lumix G system. Especially for my wildlife pictures also the crop of 2 is a big advantage. Additionally the Panasonic user interface is so much ahead of Sony. I also need to point out that the Lumix AF is not as bad as people say. Of course there is always room for improvement, but the G9 has no problem with e.g. BIF.
I like MFT pro lenses because of the added mobility and will probably keep my glass for life, update to OM-1. If I do FF, thinking Panasonic because personal reasons - my photography journey started with Lumix from a point and shoot to now the G9. I'd like an S5 and Sigma 150-600 Sport.
Hard to hear your comments about Canon having just dropped a fortune on an R5, RF 15-35, RF 24-70, RF 70-200, RF 100-500, RF 50 1.2 and RF 85 1.2. But, I have to admit you are 100% correct in your assessment of Canon at the present moment. Still, if you are fortunate enough to be able to make the investment, it is a wonderful system and yes, it does inspire me. We live in a great time for cameras even thought the market seems to shrink every year.
@@mattisulanto Yes, very true. For me, this is my last hurrah after 71 years on earth, 55 of them spent working very hard to support a family and about to retire. I have been lucky. I could not have purchased into this new Canon system in this way 10 years ago. Had i known Canon was going to pull the plug on third party lenses like this I probably would have gone Sony. But, selling out of Canon now makes no sense for me. I will enjoy the system even though I am annoyed about Canon's behavior.
I use m43, my favorite living working photographer Michael Kenna uses mostly medium format film hasselblad but sometimes holga or 4x5. So i quess use what works for you or the situation. Even youtuber /photographer Jared Polin recently said he is going to get his own 4x5 to use for portraits of baseball players in the field after the game, apparently he loaned one and really liked the look that it gave vs his current digital camera. so the question becomes is 4x5 film the new must have hipster thing :) Thanks good video, valid points.
Nice video! You apply it in the video, but let me say it stronger: A little argument against the ranking of Canon APSC at worst. I have Canons M-system with 7 lenses / Samyangs fisheye and M50II + M 6II. This system ist good enough for landscape photography/holidays in my opinion because of it's formfactor - although it has only two bright lenses. Furthermore you can get it cheaper (new or used) because they are discontinued models. You are right on the two existing lenses at the new APSC of Canon this time. Therefore I prefer fullframe series (but these lenses are to expensive).
Thanks. The M series is pretty good, but I'm afraid there will be no more new lenses or new cameras for it. I mean completely new. It's possible Canon will release a minor update or something.
Kiitos tästä. Juuri sitä mitä kaipasin. Olin ajatellut vaihtaa oman Canon dslr uuteen R7 mutta taidan vaihtaa Sonyn E malleihin. Ovat myös pienempiä. Voisin laittaa laatikkoon kaikki Canon linssini vaihdossa ja siirtyä Sony E ja siihen kaksi perus linssiä. Joku 2.8 kotiin ja joku tele, jotka ovat ok myös videoihin. Tämä oli kyllä hyvä video näistä. R7 runko tuntuu olevan aika iso suhteessa Sonyn APS-C. Olisihan ne linssit toki mutta. Tarvitsen vain kaksi ja sellaisia jotka sopivat videoihin ja kamerassa ei 30min rajoitusta
@@mattisulanto Itseasiassa tämä meni ihan penkin alle. Tilaamani kitti versio oli Body only, ja linssi heitetty sisälle ilman suojuksia tai pussia. Toiseksi kun poistin sensorin suojan kamerasta, niin sensorin oikealla puolella oli 2-3mm roska. Eikä tässä vielä kaikki. Kolmanneksi Control Wheel eli näytön oikealla puolen oleva rulla napisto yhdistelmästä "alas" nappi naksahtelee miten sattuu eikä tuntuma ole yhtään hyvä. Lasten 30 euron vanha pokkarikin täyttä metallia ja napit äänettömiä ja todella responsatiivisia. Palautin tuotteen ja kameraliike meinasi, ettei uusi olisi sen parempi laadulta, joten peruin kaupat. Nyt katselen taas Fujifilmin kameroita. Joka tapauksessa. Taitaa tämä chip shortage ja raw material shortage haitata tätä laatua nykyisin. Olen 80 luvulta lähtien käyttänyt Sonyn tuotteita mutta tämä oli pohjanoteeraus. Harmi kun kaupoissa ei pääse käpistelemään tuotteita ennen ostoa, ainakaan täällä lapin porojen keskellä. Ajattelin jakaa asian, en ehkä ole ainoa, joka tähän törmännyt.
A good analysis in a short time is difficult but I think you achieved that. There is always more that could be mentioned but at the expense of losing viewer attention.
Micro Four Thirds can be for beginners but also professionals. As far as a professional, they are going to buy the camera that gets the shot. An example of why ones will full frame is for the low light and shallow DoF for things like events. I agree with someone who will say MFT isn't the best option but I still shoot with MFT for events because I like the cameras and lenses. This does go along with what you were saying about liking the camera you bought does matter. However many professionals go with MFT for macro and wildlife photography such as birds in flight for the extra DoF, and faster sensor read out for the price. This also helps with the amount of flash power for macro. If you have to shoot at f/22 to get the same DoF as I get at f/11, your flash will be double the power. Battery life can sometimes be a big thing in macro especially in Focus bracketing. Focus bracketing/stacking is quicker and easier to maintain stability with IBIS hand held over the APS and Full Frame models..
@@mattisulanto as I know you have. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew there are pro MFT photographers out there. 😁 Even though you don't feature MFT on your channel as much, I still watch.
Yes, agreed - you get what you pay for and I'd expect most pro-shooters go for Full Frame and that's OK, if your living depends on it. As a producer, I switched from Canon FF to Olympus, purely on weight, lens selection and value for money (not purely cost). Yes, the only crop I'd look at would be Fuji. Composition makes any system good, though.
very good comparison and satement. best camera is always the camera that you use. fully agree. I am struggeling with my decision for macro photography. which format is the best? medium, ff, apc, m43? at the moment I believe to go for medium format, but maybe tomorrow it could be different. so, you see, I am struggeling with the decision.
Thanks. I'm sure the best macro format is the one you like the best. Medium format sure is the most expensive and probably the trickiest to use for macro.
@@mattisulanto Yepp, thats like the camera you have is the best 🙂. I have not finalized to find my style yet. this is my struggle. maybe I start a test series and borrow different sensor format cameras.
Interesting information. I have been thinking about eventually getting full frame mirrorless. Currently, I am quite happy with my Canon and Nikon full frame DSLR cameras, but at some point, I may try the Sony system. On the Canon M system, I have one, and all the Canon lenses are basically kit lenses except the 22mm, which is pretty good. Fortunately, Sigma makes pro grade lenses for it. On the down side, I agree with your assessment that it is going to wither on the vine. The Fuji recommendation is interesting, but I don't want to pour a lot of money into mft (I have an Olympus, but I only use it when weight is extremely important) or APS-C, which is neither as high quality as Full frame or as small and light as mft. I have a few older APS-C Sony cameras (e.g. A3000 and A5100). I don't really like the menu system but I could probably get used to it (or maybe it has been improved). And the lack of a viewfinder on the A5100 is very annoying. I imagine the good full frame cameras are more usable. What do you think about the usability of the Sony full frame mirrorless system? I guess it wll be at least two years before I seriously consider a switch, so things may change, but I am considering Sony or possibly Nikon.
Thanks. New Sony cameras have a new menu system, which is really good and way better than the old one. But, you have to check the menu system when you buy, because Sony has so many cameras out.
Mike Lane FRPS chose an OM 1 over Sony's best because, after his testing, he found it better for wildlife photography than the Sony. Don't just assume that FF is better, or that smaller formats are not good enough.
@@oneeyedphotographer Tiny formats give you better reach and they are easier to carry. But I am convinced that full frame gives better footage and pictures. Camera Conspiracies has some nice demonstrations of this. I have MFT and maybe it is not new enough (Olympus Pen E-PL7) but especially in low light it lags far behind. There are some long steep hikes where I would not use FF cameras because I don't want to carry the weight. But my experience matches what I have seen from other reviews. Now, it is likely that my much more expensive FF equipment is a large part of the reason. Is it fair to match against something that costs 5 times as much? But I am already convinced that for now at least, FF is better. There are, of course, use cases where any type of camera will excel.
Interesting video. I have an investment in MFT lenses and bodies, and got a Fuji XE4 with an adapter to use my APSC Canon lenses. The Fuji G series is a large format mirrorless system that is very popular; maybe check out large format systems for another video?
Love my SL2, S1R, XH2s, RX1Rii, RX100m7 and Leica Q-P. All produce amazing stills and high quality video. It’s only the Leica glass that has me in deep hock tho 😅
I agree with almost everything you said, except that MFT cameras and lenses are cheap everywhere. In South America supply is very limited so prices are high (even higher than some FF lenses and bodies). My opinion is that Sony leads the mirrorless market, but I would place Canon in the second place. I understand that adapting lenses is not ideal, but Canon sells an EF-RF adaptor that makes EF and EFS lenses work just as good as native RF ones. I think Canon knows that so they won't be supporting third party manufacturers any time soon, as they have the largest lens market available (EF/EFS mount). They have also the largest DSLR users that may want to keep their investment in lenses, so it's going to be difficult for them to leave the system. I use Sony with native E-Mount lenses and Canon mirrorless just because I had already invested in many EF-mount Zeiss lenses that I really like.
Quantity produced a month: DMC-G1 6000 units a month in year 2008: DMC-G5 15000 units a month in year 2012; DC-G9 1500 units a month in year 2018 and DC-S1 600 units a month in year 2019. (DC-S1H 200 cameras/month and C-S1R 150 cameras/month in 2019.) So, one can assume the sales of G5 was 1 billion Japanese yen and that of DC-S1 is 180 million Japanese yen... Some people guess that the monthly production quantity of some of the S lenses may be 20 - 50 lenses a month .... So.....
All 3 brands are great now. Canon, Nikon and Sony have all produced quality mirrorless cameras today. But Sony is still #1, Canon #2 and Nikon #3. Sony was the one company that invested heavily into mirrorless cameras to begin with and revolutionized it thus why they're still in the lead. Sony actually forced Canon and Nikon to stopped their pro-DSLR bodies and start working on mirrorless or get left behind. We can definitely thank Sony for making these dramatic changes or otherwise, Canon and Nikon would still be making DSLR today. Other than that, no matter which brand you go with, go with them because you like them and maybe cost too.
I think there a lot more important factors to consider. Examples: Ergonomics - I think this is actually THE most important factor in deciding what camera system to invest in. Ergonomics is one of the major reasons why I am still invested into Olympus OMD. It is an exceptionally usable system in every aspect. The bodies are fantastic, the button layout is great, everything feels great in the hand. This is a very personal criteria. Color Science - Color Science is something VERY subjective and overlooked in specs, but with ergonomics THE most important factor in choosing a system. I happen to love Olympus color science and Olympus has been VERY consistent with their color science over all the years from when I started using the E-5 all the way through the E-M1 III I now use. Sony is all over the place with their different models and generations. Their color science is not consistent and subjectively, I dislike Sony's colors - a lot. I don't want to use the word "hate", but you get the idea. I also LOVE Ricoh's color science in the GR series. And I love the color science in Leica cameras. If I could justify a Hasselblad, I would enjoy it just based on the color science. I think Canon has great color science, I don't really enjoy Nikon's color science so much. Panasonic also rates lower on my scale for color science, though I think it's workable.
Ignoring skin tones for a minute, Panasonic Natural/ Standard images seem to look very realistic. Somehow Canon makes scenes look better than reality without looking fake and of course they nail the skin tones.
I have used Hasselblad, Phase One and Leica medium format in the past when I was still doing paid assignments for clients. They are great for many high end jobs.
Another factor in choosing a system is how much photography or video do you intend to shoot? If I was mainly shooting stills, I don't think mirrorless offers enough to change from a DSLR. If I was mainly shooting video, do the lenses exhibit focus breathing and are they balanced for a gimbal? Then there's cost...
I shoot stills. All of the Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic cameras I have used have better usibility features than the Canon DSLRs I have used. Not because DSLRs cant have them, but because nobody has. Maybe except Pentax, I hear Pentax has IBIS. Everything displayed on the back of my mirrotless cameras is also available in the EVF. If some mirrorless cameras can have a detachable EVF, then so can DSLRs. My Canon DSLRs can display a histogram on the back, some have electronic levels for side to side and front to back. All of my mirrors have those, the best, I think, is Olympus. They can display blinkies and/or zebras to show where my proposed photo is overexposed. They have aids to MF such as focus peaking and automatic magnification. My M43 cameras have focus stacking and preburst. The latter has the camera busily capturing images, holding them briefly and dropping them. If you press the shutter button all the way, any buffered photos, and those from that moment are committed to memory card. If you think that bird is going to take off, you can get it every time. Recently I went shooting macro subjects with my macro lens on my Olympus camera. I shot everything at F2.8, stieched up later and the entire flower or whatever was sharp. A bed of flowers, same. My M43 cameras have a high resolution mode, they can make 80 megapixel images using their 20 megapixel sensor. My Lumix S1R can make 187 megapixel raw files.
@@oneeyedphotographer Indeed, but if you shot stills professionally and had invested in exotic glass, would the cost of going mirrorless be worthwhile? Professional DSLR bodies are strong and their lenses on mirrorless bodies will always be sub-optimal. I have a full frame Lumix body (and Fuji) and if it weren't for shooting video, where mirrorless cameras excel, I don't think I would pay the premium. At a political conference last week, I noticed most of the press pack were still shooting DSLRs and the same goes for sports. Mirrorless will take over eventually because DSLRs - Pentax excepted - will no longer be made. Most early mirrorless adopters were vloggers and amateurs.
@@borderlands6606 I bought a used S1R, a Sigma EF-L adaptor. Job done, and I think so. AF isn't an issue, the relevant lenses are all MF. With few exceptions, 20 megapixels is all you need. Canon 1Dx - all of them I think, Nikon D5, D6, Canon 7d II, Nikon D500., Canon 6D.
Oh mang, you're missing out! Mirrorless offers more than enough to use it over DSLR. During Sony's 2nd generation Mirrorless era with the a7ii and a7Rii, there was no point in switching yet because they were still inferior. Bad EVF compare to OVF. Slow AF and not enough AF points. Movie was good enough. And battery was so little that you need a lot of them to keep you going throughout the day. Now today, everything bad about mirrorless cameras have been improved upon and exceeded expectations. Even if you don't shoot videos, the photography for mirrorless is so much better especially the LIVE view, the silent shutter and the crazy 600+ AF points. DSLR reached its limits and there is nothing else we can do with it anymore.
I do agree with your conclusion that Canon needs to get their act together and sit down with third party manufacturers to allow them to make RF lenses. However, being a RF user, I must say that the AF functionality of (in my case) Sigma ART EF-lenses with the adapter is phenomenal. What's lacking compared to the RF system is of course the optimal use of IBIS in combination with lens IS, but with a 35 or 50 or even 85mm ART lens that's hardly an issue, I think.
If I was coming from DSLR I think I would stick with the same brand and just use the adapter. Canon DSLR lens work on all mirrorless system with a adapter but auto focus will work best with Canon.
I very much dislike my Canon camera and as much as I would like to go Mirrorless I probably will go Pentax K1 M2 as I have some lenses that will fit it and Pentax has used the K Mount for a LONG time. It is a shame that Pentax never went Mirroless..
If DSLRs didn't exist and someone at a camera manufacturer proposed the concept, they'd be laughed out of the room--mirrorless is clearly the only way to go. As far as which system to choose, that depends primarily on what style of photos the user wishes to produce, especially if they need long FLs. Given the technological advances in hardware and software, in the right hands, virtually ANY currently-produced camera system can produce outstanding results--there is no longer any advantage to larger sensor cameras for 99.99+% of situations (in fact, there are many disadvantages to larger formats). It really comes down to ergonomics--what system "feels right" (both physically and GUI-wise) and allows you to be creative without concern over the technical details. I happen to like the way Lumix handles (particularly the G9) and prefer their UI (touch screen/menus and physical) to any other system. Putting aside for the moment the fact the GEAR DOESN'T MATTER as far as IQ is concerned (I've can produce gallery/museum-quality prints from 1/2.3" sensor pocket point-and-shoots--even phones), if you need more than about 300mm ("FF" EFL), then anything larger than MFT is going to be a burden to carry, but hey, it's your back, neck (and money). It is annoying that the potential advantages of sharing a common mount and the huge variety of versatile MFT lenses is somewhat compromised by the lack of complete cross-brand compatibility, but it's not really that much of a problem. I primarily shoot Lumix bodies with multiple brands of glass (including fully manual), which brings up AF. It isn't really that important! You (I presume) and I both got along fine with fully manual film cameras for decades and some even consider auto-anything to be a "cheat" (although aging eyes can use a bit of help now and then--I love focus peaking). I just say "use the tech, but don't let it use you."
Hmmm Why, always leading photography authorities miss Pentax? It's not dead. Earlier this week Pentax announces new 100mm/2.8 Macro lens, firmware updates works well with Pentax and Ricoh and rumours speaks new camera body. If you count only number of lens...Pentax beats every brand, cause you can use film era lenses without adapter (if it fits you 1970 era Pentax ME it fits your to days K-bajonet Pentax and most cases AF is also working). Any way, keep up good work.👍
Thanks for referring me as a leading photography authority😅. As far as I know Pentax don't not make mirrorless system cameras, which was the topic in this video. Pentax have tried, but gave up. By the way, I have not forgotten Pentax, check out this recent video: ruclips.net/video/peu0e7eHyIM/видео.html
I moved to Canon mirrorless from Canon mirrored body; I bought ZERO lens and saved a ton of money by using my existing lens & a 99 dollar adapter for flawless performance. Even my 400mmF2.8. I currently have 90+ lens choices in the Canon platform. I use Sony and Nikon too but the Canon gives me more choices. Oh and why I use Canon more than my Sony or Nikon? Canon is the only solution to have a drop in ND/POL filter between the lens and the body with an adapter to use all those wonderful lens.. very convenient and quick.
Sony's full frame mirrorless cameras and the third-party lens options are hard to beat. Today most cameras are excellent and capable of fantastic photos. The biggest x-factor is the photographer. I have taken some of my best images with the original Canon M and the 18-55mm and 22mm
It's a pity that Leica decided not to continue with APS-C, as the CL and TL2 are very nice and simple cameras for photography, especially when teamed up with M and LTM lenses, from Leica and many other makers. After years of MFT, I've now gone for full-frame L-mount, but as I'm not into video, that aspect doesn't really interest me.
Definitely agree. I am hoping Panasonic can introduce something FF, small and compact similar to the Sony A7C or Sigma fp bodies. May e a FF GX9 style body. That is my perfect camera.
@@Tom-Tenerife If you like the focus, and no issues with Fujifilm in general, I think you found your best choice. Some interesting lenses in their line-up and good looking cameras. I see no reason to switch to MFT if your system is working well for you. As for OM1, it seems over-priced, IMO. - Take care, Loren Schwiderski
Canon is hurting their brand whein they deny 3rd party lenses. But they have sort of cult following. Like every other camera brands. Perhaps that's enough for their wallets. I did swap my M6 to R7, tho. Does it make me a cult member. Hmm. Seriously I think R7 kit lens is good enough for my needs. Its a nice all arounder. But you are correct with Sony/Fuji. They have lots of lenses and their cameras are good. I just hope we won't have any camera wars where fanboys fight over pixels.
The Canon RF 50mm and 35mm macro, for under $200 and less than $400 on sale, seem like great options for street photography / general photography. On the R7 or R10 they have the equivalent of 56mm & 80mm, so that is pretty cool. I may now consider getting the R10, should it be on sale someday. Ah, really, I have too many different cameras already 🙃. - Loren Schwiderski / Street Photography
@@michaelkeba6157 do you really think the video is talking about A-mount? Lol 🤣. A direct quote from the video, "every third party manufacturer supports Sony E Mount"
I would stay away from the Canon brand because they stopped third party lens makers from making lenses. Now you can only buy Canon lenses. That could get excessively expensive.
I really don't take part in camera makers wars. They're just stupid, juvenile and in the end counterproductive. Still, I think one has to give credit to Sony for being able to fight their way through as the market's underdog some years ago leading the way for other in lens and sensor technology, let alone opening a fully new professional mirrorless market. What I really appreciate is their pragmatic and daring attitude in accepting criticism and constantly improving upon user feedback creating an open and growing system. Something other more historic and maybe a little too snobby brands should learn. Especially in a gradually shrinking camera market where smartphones are phagocytating more and more shares. There is no space for stubborn pride.
Im not sure to go with lumix m43 or lumix FF. I just got a good deal with an S5 and sigma 85mm 1.4, but I have a gx80 with 20mm 1.7 and 85mm 1.2 Both has it advantages, but dont know the future of cameras/lenses of each. Could sell the s5 and get a gh6 or a g9 with more lenses, or could sell the mft and get sigma ff zoom and 35mm...
A benefit of choosing SONY as an APS-C system is that one also has access to the huge lens selection for the SONY full frame. And an additional benefit is that one can then also migrate to full frame or be able to have both formats. With Fuji, one is stuck with APS-C.
Your "native lenses support" is really a "producers' support", therefore your "guide" cannot be taken for a "definitive" one. Nikon camera owners (and I'm one of them) who own dozens of DSLR era lenses (or even pre-digital era lenses) are most certainly pleased as punch being able to attach all those lenses on their Z line bodies. For most of these people, this is the key reason not to switch the brand and at the same time to go for mirrorless).
Thanks for sharing. My guide is one person's opinion, like I said in the video, it's not fact or definitive. I also mentioned adapted lenses in the video and I'm really happy to hear they work for you🙂
@@mattisulanto OK, but then again, the title of your video should be changed (DEFINITIVE guide). And I think your article would've been more fair had it emphasized the Z-adapter's role, since it is only Nikon who made it possible the use of old-school lenses on their newest line up, whereas greedy bastards (like canon) didn't allowed it for their customers even in the previous iteration).
@@DrAgan_tortojed Please do not take it so seriously, it's only an opinion, like yours too. In the video I very clearly say it's one person's opinion and someone else might disagree. I think it would be boring if we all had the same opinion on everything. Nikon is doing a fantastic job and for example the Z9 is probably the best professional performance camera at the moment. If I make another similar video in the future I may have to rank Nikon the best😀
I'm sorry but the Nkon lineup is now more attractive than Sony, and the Z9 is simply the best camera ever created. Nothing even comes into its universe at the moment...and I am a Lumix shooter.
I will stay with Canon now a dslr 6d mkii. And maybe one day mirrorless and with an adapter to use ef lenses. Those work great with eos r system. But there will be 3th party lenses for canon rf mount. But just not right now. It will come. So we should be patient and use the ef lenses with an adapter works great no idea why those are not interesting enough.
It is very simple. Best crop camera - Fuji X-S10, because it is the only crop camera for 1000$ which has stabilisation and also sigma 18-50/2.8. Best full frame camera - Sony or Nikon. Sony has tonns of lenses, Nikon has Z5 for 1000$, which is total bargain. Canon is the worst, because there no RF lenses. There is very limited amount of RF lenses, and they are all or more expensive than sony or nikon, or worse, or both.
I think Canon would want to argue that their R7 is a pro APSC body, so there is another option for a pro APSC body. Just the lens options would be FF lenses or adapted mainly.
@@mattisulanto haha, it's certainly not called pro, but features wise it has a lot of the attributes, good grip, weather sealed, pro level autofocus and fps, IBIS, good video specs, dual cards. We'll see if Canon actually cares about making significant RF APSC specific lenses though. Their history on APSC support is questionable.
@@mattisulanto For Street / General photography, the RF 35mm and 50mm are inexpensive lenses which will work as a 56mm and 80mm on the Canon APS-C, then use the kit zoom for the rest. I agree Fujifilm might hold the crown for APS-C support, but I hear the auto-focus is less than stellar, and what is their repair record? All Canon, low to high, are made in Japan. As for Sony, what about the ergonomics and menu system, is that not a drag on the goodness factor? Sony does have some good reviews. I assume Canon is stubborn, like Apple company, and will not budge on third party lens support??? - Loren Schwiderski / Street Photography
Personally, I don't trust Sony, particularly its support. When I researched this a few years ago, I found this true over all of Sony's product ranges. There's also weather sealing.... I think Canon makes the best FF mirrorless camera. Most photographers can get by very well with the ultrawide, the standard wide and standard telephoto zoom lenses, in whatever systems. Choosing Canon in particular comes with the penalty of no third party AF lenses, but that doesn't make it a bad choice. Wouldn't be mine, it's true. I might be wrong, but isn't it rapidly losing market share? I bought a Lumix S1R and adaptor for my TS-E lenses. Those lenses are the reason I never considered switching to Nikon or Pentax, after I started using them. I think the number of lenses is largely irrelevant. Tamron and Sigma have 70-200 lenses for Canon EF, and Canon has several of them - max aperture F2.8 or F8, stabilised or not. Choose one and be happy. What made Canon's FF DSLRs stand out was the other lenses, less common lenses - its (now) five TS-E lenses and its MP-E 65.
How can you even make this video fully knowing the fx30 exist lol also Sony has sooo many more apsc lenses to choose from than Fuji. Also Fuji autofocus is terrible.. super biased video man not cool
@@mattisulanto uhm not really an opinion, more of a fact if you look at tests and statistics ! You have a platform to educate and if you rank brands like this but leave out info you should probably correct it since there are a lot of impressionable people out there watching your stuff
Well, in the video I very clearly say it's my opinion, only one person's opinion and everyone may not agree. If you think Sony APS-C is the best, that is fine and I have no problem with that.
Fujifilm has 10 APS-C ILC models (plus the X100 and XF fixed lens models), each with different features and appeal. I own none of them. I also recognise the strength of Sony’s lens universe. Yes the FX30 is a pretty cool video camera but it won’t be for everyone, and reports are that its sensor isn’t as advanced as Fujifilm’s latest (XH2) and other recent sensors (XT4 etc). So I reckon Matti’s opinion is soundly based.
I went from Canon DSLR to R/RF and came back. CR3 files are nothing but time waste to convert , very limited and not quality build lenses. Adapting lenses comes with terrible bulk from huge adapter. If I would have tons of money I would go with Leica L mount SL line and L mount Sigma lenses. But I'm not this rich and here is no support for SL cameras in North America, it is sent to Germany for repairs.
Excellent compact overview! Thank you, Matti. Especially your ending: find the camera you are comfortable with. I chose MFT, because size and weight are important to me, although it means less dynamic range. I taught myself that, when I feel sad because some highlights will be blown out, I should look around for someone toting a full frame with a big zoom. I instantly feel happy again.
Thanks Robert. You are doing really well with your MFT😀
Maybe get a m43 body that can shoot 10 bit video with some type of log? M43 has some limitations but I love my gx85 for travel. So compact but shoots well.
I started my phographic journey 16 years ago with a basic Pentax DSLR, i was able to photograph many different subjects, including events . I still enjoy using them today, some people still use film cameras as a way to visit their past but for me I never connected to film photography so when I want to visit my past i break out one of my many Pentax cameras. Over the years I added cameras from multiple manufacturers covering Full frame, APSC and Micro 4/3, i also added a Fujifilm XT3 and XT5 along with the Nikon ZF and Zfc when I want to go old school. The selection of cameras today is unlike any time in my life and people that want to get a taste of what it is like to use a piece of modern history should now more than ever considered replacing their cellphone as a means of taking photographs. When I started 16 years ago i had no idea how involved I would get in digital photography but today I own 7 full frame cameras, 10 apsc and 5 Micro 4/3 cameras.
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Nice informative video! Was a Nikon shooter for decades and switched to Fuji because at the time Nikon hadn’t sorted out their mirrorless roadmap, it was just before the Z systems and Fuji was so very seductive. Still with Fuji but switched from the XT system to the GFX and I am thrilled.
Thanks for sharing.
Peace be with you. Excellent! One of your best reviews.
Thank you!
Hi Matti.
I mas following since you were a Lumix Ambassador.
I chose Lumix G9 and Ive been very happy with it for last two years. For me it was my first entry into photography and I have learnt a lot since then.
I like to shoot birds and also street photography. The main disappointment after using the G9 was the AF and also, since its a MFT system shooting in low light. High ISO made a lot of noise. Its a a simple menu and I still love this camera. Will continue to use it for birding with the PL100-400.
Today I will receive the Sony A7IV. I have grown as a photographer and plan to use this new camera more for street photography in the city.
I know the AF is great on the Sony however not so great with the IBIS. But, I guess you can't have a perfect camera.
Again, thank you.
Thanks. I hope you'll like the A7IV. I've been very very happy with mine.
Found this a wonderful overview! Thank you! Can I suggest a similar format but by usage; ie; for travel (in two formats- hiking/backpacking and city/country), standard photography, wildlife, portraits and events. You would likely cover everything from mft to medium formats and could be fun…likely give you material for 3 or 4 videos.
Thanks. I'll have to consider your idea.
I just got the Olympus E-P7, love the small size factor, 20 MB sensor with uncrop readout even at 4K, high data rate for 1080p (52 Mbps) and in-camera color grading.
Thanks.
I was invested in the Canon M system and loving it. Once it began to look as if they were going to kill it, I just couldn't get over how betrayed I felt. 😅 I was also sick of constantly wondering if I should buy this lens or that and then having to worry about whether there would even be a body to support that lens in the future. No more. I sold it all and now only own a Ricoh GRII, Ricoh GRIIIx, and a flash. Granted, I don't do photography for a living, but I am so much happier and inspired this way. I never want to think about lenses or gear again.
Thanks for sharing. What you can't do with a pair GRs is not worth it anyway😀
@@mattisulanto agreed! 😃
Thank you so much Matti.
Thanks.
I mostly use Panasonic M4/3 and a Canon RP. The RP produces excellent images and the Lumix is not far behind. But I just have difficulties with EVF’s (including the G9 which I rented recently). So for shooting outside, I fall back to my Canon 5D and a couple of EF lenses. I can actually see what I am shooting and focusing is instant. No auto anything except the usual PASM modes and 9 or 11 focus points of which I rarely use any but the center. Great results when you nail focus. The 2005 era sensor has 12 gorgeous MP . Quite croppable for posting on line. Only good for certain uses but great results when it is in its element. By recycling old cheap equipment, you are not limited to one camera for everything.
Thanks. What ever works for you. I shot so many assignments on the 5D back in the day and it was a remarkable camera.
Excellent analysis of the mirrorless market. The size of the sensor determines the purchase of the device and I agree with the selection (Lumix, Fuji, Sony).
Thanks for watching!
I switched from Canon DSLR to Sony mirrorless Cameras, because Sony have excellent mirrorless Cameras and excellent Lenses and you can get many third party Lenses for the Sony E-mount system, I like the size and weight of the Sony A7RIV, it is a bit like fx Nikon FE and Leica R4 Cameras which I also think back in the 80´s had a very good size and weight. My favorite Lenses for Sony are Voigtländer APO-Lanthar Lenses. I still want to see a full frame compact Camera in style like the Contax T (first version) and Minox 35 ML.
Thanks for sharing. It all makes sense to me.
Wow, you're really pulling no punches here! Nicely done.
Thank you.
Very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Finally, I got the Z9 to replace the D3 that I have been using for about 13 years. Since there is no such thing as the best choice but my own choice and I'm happy with it. Not to mention by chance, it also carries the tradition of my first camera, the F2A + MD + BP from over four decades ago in build, size & weight.
That being said, the Z9 is what I like for my main camera. Otherwise, there are DSLR, APS-C, M4/3, P&S and smartphones on hand for other uses and situations. Round peg for the round hole. 🙂
Thanks. The Z9 looks amazing and I'd like to try one, but unfortunately it's not possible where I live.
Nice, brief, summary Matt. I am sure there are many who are not yet ready to buy into the mirrorless systems (especially with the cost of DSLRs dropping around the holidays - and the vast number of cheaper lenses available on the second hand markets). That said, I recently realized out on a fun shoot, that I had forgotten my main camera (Z9 - only mirrorless body) at home, and had to pull out the trusty, rusty 2008 12 megapixel D700 (which I had not used in some time). I faced the same thing most mirrorless shooters might going backwards (from mirrorless to DSLR) especially from the Z9 to D700. The entire capture process had to slow down (sometimes good, many times not), metering was more problematic, there was no AI-human eye detect, AF was in general slower, and the noise and vibration from shutter slap was enormous. I swore, at that moment, I would not shoot DSLRs again. Then I looked at the image quality of the lower resolution, higher pixel pitch, organic noise, smaller files, fewer files - because of the maximum 5 fps with normal battery I had to comb through with beautiful colors SOOC. All this to say, if you are shooting DSLRs, good for you, and don't let anyone tell you different. If you've moved on to mirrorless (as the companies want you to), you are already probably aware of the benefits outweighing most of the downside. One thing not mentioned in this video about the variety of lenses available is the current state of more recent optic. More glass, less light transmission, poorer micro contrast and resultant 3D pop or depth of an image, but better edge to edge sharpness, control of longitudinal and latitudinal chromatic aberration and higher cost. You place Sony high in your rankings (and I completely understand why), but their lenses are relatively expensive and they outdate their models nearly every 2 years (or so it seems). What helps Sony, is, as you mention, the availability of third party glass. We will see if Nikon can accelerate their return to the mountain with opening up their lens mount for 3rd party development.
Thanks for sharing your recent DSLR experience.
Switched from Sony APSC to Olympus MFT. To be exact I had Sony alpha 6300 with the holy Sigma Trinity and 24-135mm Zoom. It was a very good camera no doubt, fast AF, strong in low light but after I used Em5 mark II I fell in love with Olympus (OMD). It was definitely slower as the Alpha 6300 and had some troubles so I bought em5 mark III and invested everything into MFT and sold all my Sony gear.
Thanks for sharing.
I switched from Sony DSLR (A-Mount) to MFT and it was the best thing I could ever do as MFT is so much smaller, lighter and cheaper than the Sony E-Mount which was the alternative. Additionally it was an incredible step in image quality from my Sony DSLR to the Lumix G system. Especially for my wildlife pictures also the crop of 2 is a big advantage. Additionally the Panasonic user interface is so much ahead of Sony.
I also need to point out that the Lumix AF is not as bad as people say. Of course there is always room for improvement, but the G9 has no problem with e.g. BIF.
Thanks.
Yes it is best to get a camera that inspires you, very wise words.
Thanks.
Good assessment of mirrorless options
Thanks.
I like MFT pro lenses because of the added mobility and will probably keep my glass for life, update to OM-1. If I do FF, thinking Panasonic because personal reasons - my photography journey started with Lumix from a point and shoot to now the G9. I'd like an S5 and Sigma 150-600 Sport.
Thanks.
Hard to hear your comments about Canon having just dropped a fortune on an R5, RF 15-35, RF 24-70, RF 70-200, RF 100-500, RF 50 1.2 and RF 85 1.2. But, I have to admit you are 100% correct in your assessment of Canon at the present moment. Still, if you are fortunate enough to be able to make the investment, it is a wonderful system and yes, it does inspire me. We live in a great time for cameras even thought the market seems to shrink every year.
Thanks. Canon makes awesome lenses and cameras, if you can afford them😀
@@mattisulanto Yes, very true. For me, this is my last hurrah after 71 years on earth, 55 of them spent working very hard to support a family and about to retire. I have been lucky. I could not have purchased into this new Canon system in this way 10 years ago. Had i known Canon was going to pull the plug on third party lenses like this I probably would have gone Sony. But, selling out of Canon now makes no sense for me. I will enjoy the system even though I am annoyed about Canon's behavior.
@@robgerety I hear you brother 68 and retired ….
I use m43, my favorite living working photographer Michael Kenna uses mostly medium format film hasselblad but sometimes holga or 4x5. So i quess use what works for you or the situation. Even youtuber /photographer Jared Polin recently said he is going to get his own 4x5 to use for portraits of baseball players in the field after the game, apparently he loaned one and really liked the look that it gave vs his current digital camera. so the question becomes is 4x5 film the new must have hipster thing :) Thanks good video, valid points.
Thanks for watching.
Nice video!
You apply it in the video, but let me say it stronger: A little argument against the ranking of Canon APSC at worst.
I have Canons M-system with 7 lenses / Samyangs fisheye and M50II + M 6II. This system ist good enough for landscape photography/holidays in my opinion because of it's formfactor - although it has only two bright lenses. Furthermore you can get it cheaper (new or used) because they are discontinued models.
You are right on the two existing lenses at the new APSC of Canon this time.
Therefore I prefer fullframe series (but these lenses are to expensive).
Thanks. The M series is pretty good, but I'm afraid there will be no more new lenses or new cameras for it. I mean completely new. It's possible Canon will release a minor update or something.
Great analysis. This is exactly why I went to Sony after shooting Canon for 30 years.
Thanks. I have a friend who did the same😀
I mostly agree with your assessment.
Thanks.
Kiitos tästä. Juuri sitä mitä kaipasin. Olin ajatellut vaihtaa oman Canon dslr uuteen R7 mutta taidan vaihtaa Sonyn E malleihin. Ovat myös pienempiä. Voisin laittaa laatikkoon kaikki Canon linssini vaihdossa ja siirtyä Sony E ja siihen kaksi perus linssiä. Joku 2.8 kotiin ja joku tele, jotka ovat ok myös videoihin. Tämä oli kyllä hyvä video näistä. R7 runko tuntuu olevan aika iso suhteessa Sonyn APS-C. Olisihan ne linssit toki mutta. Tarvitsen vain kaksi ja sellaisia jotka sopivat videoihin ja kamerassa ei 30min rajoitusta
No hyvä, jos video auttoi päätöksenteossa. Mutta, haluan vielä korostaa, että video on vain yhden ihmisen mielipide😀
@@mattisulanto olen näitä harkinnut jo pitempään. En tykkää vaihdosta mutta Canon ja adapterit jne tuntuvat jo hankalalta
Tilasin zv-e10 alennuksesta. Linssejä joskus kittilinssin tilalle sitten. Tästä se peilittömien tie lähtee. Jännä myös kokeilla se Catalyst Browse.
@@mattisulanto Itseasiassa tämä meni ihan penkin alle. Tilaamani kitti versio oli Body only, ja linssi heitetty sisälle ilman suojuksia tai pussia. Toiseksi kun poistin sensorin suojan kamerasta, niin sensorin oikealla puolella oli 2-3mm roska. Eikä tässä vielä kaikki. Kolmanneksi Control Wheel eli näytön oikealla puolen oleva rulla napisto yhdistelmästä "alas" nappi naksahtelee miten sattuu eikä tuntuma ole yhtään hyvä. Lasten 30 euron vanha pokkarikin täyttä metallia ja napit äänettömiä ja todella responsatiivisia. Palautin tuotteen ja kameraliike meinasi, ettei uusi olisi sen parempi laadulta, joten peruin kaupat. Nyt katselen taas Fujifilmin kameroita. Joka tapauksessa. Taitaa tämä chip shortage ja raw material shortage haitata tätä laatua nykyisin. Olen 80 luvulta lähtien käyttänyt Sonyn tuotteita mutta tämä oli pohjanoteeraus. Harmi kun kaupoissa ei pääse käpistelemään tuotteita ennen ostoa, ainakaan täällä lapin porojen keskellä. Ajattelin jakaa asian, en ehkä ole ainoa, joka tähän törmännyt.
@@juhaaavalaakso455 Harmillista tosiaan, mutta sitten ei auta kun kokeilla jotain muuta.
I switched to the Olympus OM1 having owned many DSLRS and including the Canon R6 and am now very happy with the MFT system 😊
Happy to hear you have found the best system for you.
@@mattisulanto thanks man x
A good analysis in a short time is difficult but I think you achieved that. There is always more that could be mentioned but at the expense of losing viewer attention.
Thanks. Yep, can't put everything under 15min😀
Brilliant!
Thanks.
Micro Four Thirds can be for beginners but also professionals. As far as a professional, they are going to buy the camera that gets the shot.
An example of why ones will full frame is for the low light and shallow DoF for things like events. I agree with someone who will say MFT isn't the best option but I still shoot with MFT for events because I like the cameras and lenses. This does go along with what you were saying about liking the camera you bought does matter.
However many professionals go with MFT for macro and wildlife photography such as birds in flight for the extra DoF, and faster sensor read out for the price. This also helps with the amount of flash power for macro. If you have to shoot at f/22 to get the same DoF as I get at f/11, your flash will be double the power. Battery life can sometimes be a big thing in macro especially in Focus bracketing. Focus bracketing/stacking is quicker and easier to maintain stability with IBIS hand held over the APS and Full Frame models..
Thanks for sharing. I have shot countless paid assignments on MFT gear😀
@@mattisulanto as I know you have. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew there are pro MFT photographers out there. 😁 Even though you don't feature MFT on your channel as much, I still watch.
@@RobShootPhotos Thanks for watching😀 I try to feature also MFT every once in a while.
Yes, agreed - you get what you pay for and I'd expect most pro-shooters go for Full Frame and that's OK, if your living depends on it. As a producer, I switched from Canon FF to Olympus, purely on weight, lens selection and value for money (not purely cost). Yes, the only crop I'd look at would be Fuji. Composition makes any system good, though.
*pro-sumer" not producer!
Thanks for sharing.
very good comparison and satement. best camera is always the camera that you use. fully agree. I am struggeling with my decision for macro photography. which format is the best? medium, ff, apc, m43?
at the moment I believe to go for medium format, but maybe tomorrow it could be different. so, you see, I am struggeling with the decision.
Thanks. I'm sure the best macro format is the one you like the best. Medium format sure is the most expensive and probably the trickiest to use for macro.
Olympus has automatic focus stacking for macro in the camera, and the results are stunning!
Ask Egil Michaelsen, he uses Olympus for macro, and almost always uses in body focus stacking. The best macro photographer I know about🙂
@@bioliv1 Thx for your suggestion. I will check it.
@@mattisulanto Yepp, thats like the camera you have is the best 🙂. I have not finalized to find my style yet. this is my struggle. maybe I start a test series and borrow different sensor format cameras.
Interesting information. I have been thinking about eventually getting full frame mirrorless. Currently, I am quite happy with my Canon and Nikon full frame DSLR cameras, but at some point, I may try the Sony system. On the Canon M system, I have one, and all the Canon lenses are basically kit lenses except the 22mm, which is pretty good. Fortunately, Sigma makes pro grade lenses for it. On the down side, I agree with your assessment that it is going to wither on the vine. The Fuji recommendation is interesting, but I don't want to pour a lot of money into mft (I have an Olympus, but I only use it when weight is extremely important) or APS-C, which is neither as high quality as Full frame or as small and light as mft.
I have a few older APS-C Sony cameras (e.g. A3000 and A5100). I don't really like the menu system but I could probably get used to it (or maybe it has been improved). And the lack of a viewfinder on the A5100 is very annoying. I imagine the good full frame cameras are more usable.
What do you think about the usability of the Sony full frame mirrorless system?
I guess it wll be at least two years before I seriously consider a switch, so things may change, but I am considering Sony or possibly Nikon.
Thanks. New Sony cameras have a new menu system, which is really good and way better than the old one. But, you have to check the menu system when you buy, because Sony has so many cameras out.
Mike Lane FRPS chose an OM 1 over Sony's best because, after his testing, he found it better for wildlife photography than the Sony.
Don't just assume that FF is better, or that smaller formats are not good enough.
@@oneeyedphotographer Tiny formats give you better reach and they are easier to carry. But I am convinced that full frame gives better footage and pictures. Camera Conspiracies has some nice demonstrations of this. I have MFT and maybe it is not new enough (Olympus Pen E-PL7) but especially in low light it lags far behind. There are some long steep hikes where I would not use FF cameras because I don't want to carry the weight. But my experience matches what I have seen from other reviews. Now, it is likely that my much more expensive FF equipment is a large part of the reason. Is it fair to match against something that costs 5 times as much? But I am already convinced that for now at least, FF is better. There are, of course, use cases where any type of camera will excel.
Interesting video. I have an investment in MFT lenses and bodies, and got a Fuji XE4 with an adapter to use my APSC Canon lenses. The Fuji G series is a large format mirrorless system that is very popular; maybe check out large format systems for another video?
Thanks. Large format is a good topic for the future.
Nice colour grading btw Matti
Thank you.
Love my SL2, S1R, XH2s, RX1Rii, RX100m7 and Leica Q-P. All produce amazing stills and high quality video. It’s only the Leica glass that has me in deep hock tho 😅
Thanks for sharing!
😉 I like that you said 5 mirrorless Camera brands...
The highlight of the video😅
Great rundown Matti - thanks
Thanks!
I agree with almost everything you said, except that MFT cameras and lenses are cheap everywhere. In South America supply is very limited so prices are high (even higher than some FF lenses and bodies). My opinion is that Sony leads the mirrorless market, but I would place Canon in the second place. I understand that adapting lenses is not ideal, but Canon sells an EF-RF adaptor that makes EF and EFS lenses work just as good as native RF ones. I think Canon knows that so they won't be supporting third party manufacturers any time soon, as they have the largest lens market available (EF/EFS mount). They have also the largest DSLR users that may want to keep their investment in lenses, so it's going to be difficult for them to leave the system. I use Sony with native E-Mount lenses and Canon mirrorless just because I had already invested in many EF-mount Zeiss lenses that I really like.
Thanks. I understand that your location can make a difference regarding prices.
Quantity produced a month: DMC-G1 6000 units a month in year 2008: DMC-G5 15000 units a month in year 2012; DC-G9 1500 units a month in year 2018 and DC-S1 600 units a month in year 2019. (DC-S1H 200 cameras/month and C-S1R 150 cameras/month in 2019.) So, one can assume the sales of G5 was 1 billion Japanese yen and that of DC-S1 is 180 million Japanese yen... Some people guess that the monthly production quantity of some of the S lenses may be 20 - 50 lenses a month .... So.....
All 3 brands are great now. Canon, Nikon and Sony have all produced quality mirrorless cameras today. But Sony is still #1, Canon #2 and Nikon #3. Sony was the one company that invested heavily into mirrorless cameras to begin with and revolutionized it thus why they're still in the lead. Sony actually forced Canon and Nikon to stopped their pro-DSLR bodies and start working on mirrorless or get left behind. We can definitely thank Sony for making these dramatic changes or otherwise, Canon and Nikon would still be making DSLR today. Other than that, no matter which brand you go with, go with them because you like them and maybe cost too.
Thanks for sharing.
I think there a lot more important factors to consider.
Examples:
Ergonomics - I think this is actually THE most important factor in deciding what camera system to invest in. Ergonomics is one of the major reasons why I am still invested into Olympus OMD. It is an exceptionally usable system in every aspect. The bodies are fantastic, the button layout is great, everything feels great in the hand. This is a very personal criteria.
Color Science - Color Science is something VERY subjective and overlooked in specs, but with ergonomics THE most important factor in choosing a system. I happen to love Olympus color science and Olympus has been VERY consistent with their color science over all the years from when I started using the E-5 all the way through the E-M1 III I now use. Sony is all over the place with their different models and generations. Their color science is not consistent and subjectively, I dislike Sony's colors - a lot. I don't want to use the word "hate", but you get the idea. I also LOVE Ricoh's color science in the GR series. And I love the color science in Leica cameras. If I could justify a Hasselblad, I would enjoy it just based on the color science.
I think Canon has great color science, I don't really enjoy Nikon's color science so much. Panasonic also rates lower on my scale for color science, though I think it's workable.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, good points.
I agree with you 100%.
Ignoring skin tones for a minute, Panasonic Natural/ Standard images seem to look very realistic. Somehow Canon makes scenes look better than reality without looking fake and of course they nail the skin tones.
Marti, why did you not spend any time on Leica or Hasselblad cameras? What is your opinion of them?
Please forgive my auto-correct mistake with your name
I have used Hasselblad, Phase One and Leica medium format in the past when I was still doing paid assignments for clients. They are great for many high end jobs.
I tried FF... sticking with M43- I don't need to take my bank account around with me (speaking to the price of FF cameras and lenses).
Another factor in choosing a system is how much photography or video do you intend to shoot? If I was mainly shooting stills, I don't think mirrorless offers enough to change from a DSLR. If I was mainly shooting video, do the lenses exhibit focus breathing and are they balanced for a gimbal? Then there's cost...
Thanks for sharing. Sure, you have decide what makes sense for you.
I shoot stills. All of the Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic cameras I have used have better usibility features than the Canon DSLRs I have used. Not because DSLRs cant have them, but because nobody has. Maybe except Pentax, I hear Pentax has IBIS.
Everything displayed on the back of my mirrotless cameras is also available in the EVF. If some mirrorless cameras can have a detachable EVF, then so can DSLRs.
My Canon DSLRs can display a histogram on the back, some have electronic levels for side to side and front to back. All of my mirrors have those, the best, I think, is Olympus. They can display blinkies and/or zebras to show where my proposed photo is overexposed. They have aids to MF such as focus peaking and automatic magnification. My M43 cameras have focus stacking and preburst. The latter has the camera busily capturing images, holding them briefly and dropping them. If you press the shutter button all the way, any buffered photos, and those from that moment are committed to memory card. If you think that bird is going to take off, you can get it every time. Recently I went shooting macro subjects with my macro lens on my Olympus camera. I shot everything at F2.8, stieched up later and the entire flower or whatever was sharp. A bed of flowers, same.
My M43 cameras have a high resolution mode, they can make 80 megapixel images using their 20 megapixel sensor. My Lumix S1R can make 187 megapixel raw files.
@@oneeyedphotographer Indeed, but if you shot stills professionally and had invested in exotic glass, would the cost of going mirrorless be worthwhile? Professional DSLR bodies are strong and their lenses on mirrorless bodies will always be sub-optimal. I have a full frame Lumix body (and Fuji) and if it weren't for shooting video, where mirrorless cameras excel, I don't think I would pay the premium. At a political conference last week, I noticed most of the press pack were still shooting DSLRs and the same goes for sports. Mirrorless will take over eventually because DSLRs - Pentax excepted - will no longer be made. Most early mirrorless adopters were vloggers and amateurs.
@@borderlands6606 I bought a used S1R, a Sigma EF-L adaptor. Job done, and I think so. AF isn't an issue, the relevant lenses are all MF.
With few exceptions, 20 megapixels is all you need. Canon 1Dx - all of them I think, Nikon D5, D6, Canon 7d II, Nikon D500., Canon 6D.
Oh mang, you're missing out! Mirrorless offers more than enough to use it over DSLR. During Sony's 2nd generation Mirrorless era with the a7ii and a7Rii, there was no point in switching yet because they were still inferior. Bad EVF compare to OVF. Slow AF and not enough AF points. Movie was good enough. And battery was so little that you need a lot of them to keep you going throughout the day. Now today, everything bad about mirrorless cameras have been improved upon and exceeded expectations. Even if you don't shoot videos, the photography for mirrorless is so much better especially the LIVE view, the silent shutter and the crazy 600+ AF points. DSLR reached its limits and there is nothing else we can do with it anymore.
I do agree with your conclusion that Canon needs to get their act together and sit down with third party manufacturers to allow them to make RF lenses. However, being a RF user, I must say that the AF functionality of (in my case) Sigma ART EF-lenses with the adapter is phenomenal. What's lacking compared to the RF system is of course the optimal use of IBIS in combination with lens IS, but with a 35 or 50 or even 85mm ART lens that's hardly an issue, I think.
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Sony FF & Fujifilm for APSC & MF.
Nice wide view
Thanks for watching!
I see it exactly in the same way :)
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What about Pentax in full frame Matti⁉️
Why not, if they'd make one.
@@mattisulanto oh I see that they’re APS-C. Whoops‼️
@@markielinhart Pentax do not make any mirrorless system at the moment. They have also hinted in interviews that they are not going to make any.
If I was coming from DSLR I think I would stick with the same brand and just use the adapter.
Canon DSLR lens work on all mirrorless system with a adapter but auto focus will work best with Canon.
Will Panasonic follow with photography ?
I don't know what you mean.
I very much dislike my Canon camera and as much as I would like to go Mirrorless I probably will go Pentax K1 M2 as I have some lenses that will fit it and Pentax has used the K Mount for a LONG time. It is a shame that Pentax never went Mirroless..
Thanks. Pentax is doing other things now.
If DSLRs didn't exist and someone at a camera manufacturer proposed the concept, they'd be laughed out of the room--mirrorless is clearly the only way to go. As far as which system to choose, that depends primarily on what style of photos the user wishes to produce, especially if they need long FLs. Given the technological advances in hardware and software, in the right hands, virtually ANY currently-produced camera system can produce outstanding results--there is no longer any advantage to larger sensor cameras for 99.99+% of situations (in fact, there are many disadvantages to larger formats). It really comes down to ergonomics--what system "feels right" (both physically and GUI-wise) and allows you to be creative without concern over the technical details. I happen to like the way Lumix handles (particularly the G9) and prefer their UI (touch screen/menus and physical) to any other system.
Putting aside for the moment the fact the GEAR DOESN'T MATTER as far as IQ is concerned (I've can produce gallery/museum-quality prints from 1/2.3" sensor pocket point-and-shoots--even phones), if you need more than about 300mm ("FF" EFL), then anything larger than MFT is going to be a burden to carry, but hey, it's your back, neck (and money). It is annoying that the potential advantages of sharing a common mount and the huge variety of versatile MFT lenses is somewhat compromised by the lack of complete cross-brand compatibility, but it's not really that much of a problem. I primarily shoot Lumix bodies with multiple brands of glass (including fully manual), which brings up AF. It isn't really that important! You (I presume) and I both got along fine with fully manual film cameras for decades and some even consider auto-anything to be a "cheat" (although aging eyes can use a bit of help now and then--I love focus peaking). I just say "use the tech, but don't let it use you."
SLRs and DSLRs were needed to get here, but today of course, mirrorless is the way to go.
I think the development of sensor technology for each format can be important. Without modern sensors, a format becomes less attractive.
Thanks. That is very true indeed.
Hmmm Why, always leading photography authorities miss Pentax? It's not dead. Earlier this week Pentax announces new 100mm/2.8 Macro lens, firmware updates works well with Pentax and Ricoh and rumours speaks new camera body. If you count only number of lens...Pentax beats every brand, cause you can use film era lenses without adapter (if it fits you 1970 era Pentax ME it fits your to days K-bajonet Pentax and most cases AF is also working). Any way, keep up good work.👍
Thanks for referring me as a leading photography authority😅. As far as I know Pentax don't not make mirrorless system cameras, which was the topic in this video. Pentax have tried, but gave up. By the way, I have not forgotten Pentax, check out this recent video: ruclips.net/video/peu0e7eHyIM/видео.html
I moved to Canon mirrorless from Canon mirrored body; I bought ZERO lens and saved a ton of money by using my existing lens & a 99 dollar adapter for flawless performance. Even my 400mmF2.8. I currently have 90+ lens choices in the Canon platform. I use Sony and Nikon too but the Canon gives me more choices. Oh and why I use Canon more than my Sony or Nikon? Canon is the only solution to have a drop in ND/POL filter between the lens and the body with an adapter to use all those wonderful lens.. very convenient and quick.
Thanks for sharing. I'm happy to hear that set up works so well for you.
@@mattisulanto Fulaan Creative made a video that explains the decisions ruclips.net/video/v4C5cAIW8xs/видео.html
Pentax!
Sony's full frame mirrorless cameras and the third-party lens options are hard to beat. Today most cameras are excellent and capable of fantastic photos. The biggest x-factor is the photographer. I have taken some of my best images with the original Canon M and the 18-55mm and 22mm
Thanks for sharing. I used to have the M50 and I liked it a lot.
I think I’d happily sell my Canon R5 for an S1H II
It's a pity that Leica decided not to continue with APS-C, as the CL and TL2 are very nice and simple cameras for photography, especially when teamed up with M and LTM lenses, from Leica and many other makers. After years of MFT, I've now gone for full-frame L-mount, but as I'm not into video, that aspect doesn't really interest me.
Thanks for sharing. I agree, those small Leica bodies were really nice.
Definitely agree. I am hoping Panasonic can introduce something FF, small and compact similar to the Sony A7C or Sigma fp bodies. May e a FF GX9 style body. That is my perfect camera.
Sony or Fuji for APSC or Olympus OM1 in M4/3
Buy all, if can't decide😀
@@mattisulanto No. I have a Fujifilm system
@@Tom-Tenerife If you like the focus, and no issues with Fujifilm in general, I think you found your best choice. Some interesting lenses in their line-up and good looking cameras. I see no reason to switch to MFT if your system is working well for you. As for OM1, it seems over-priced, IMO. - Take care, Loren Schwiderski
@@lorenschwiderski no, OM1 is not overpriced. Fantastic technology and very professional camera
canon pretty much dictated by lens ownership and sonys are dust magnets while fuji cannot focus, any camera would probably do
Talking about stereotypes😅
I'm switching from mirrorless to a Nikon D500, because I prefer the color and the AF is better for what I do. I still shoot M4/3s for video though
Thanks for sharing.
Canon is hurting their brand whein they deny 3rd party lenses. But they have sort of cult following. Like every other camera brands. Perhaps that's enough for their wallets. I did swap my M6 to R7, tho. Does it make me a cult member. Hmm. Seriously I think R7 kit lens is good enough for my needs. Its a nice all arounder. But you are correct with Sony/Fuji. They have lots of lenses and their cameras are good.
I just hope we won't have any camera wars where fanboys fight over pixels.
Thanks so much for sharing.
The Canon RF 50mm and 35mm macro, for under $200 and less than $400 on sale, seem like great options for street photography / general photography. On the R7 or R10 they have the equivalent of 56mm & 80mm, so that is pretty cool. I may now consider getting the R10, should it be on sale someday. Ah, really, I have too many different cameras already 🙃. - Loren Schwiderski / Street Photography
I accept canon Rf lenses have expensive but ef 3rd party lenses are far better option
Merci !
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What about e-mount ?? You mention A-mount but not e-mount ??
I though I was talking about E mount😅 I even showed many E mount cameras in the video.
@@mattisulanto maybe I’m wrong but you said A-mount never mentioned e-mount .. just questioning.. thx
@@michaelkeba6157 do you really think the video is talking about A-mount? Lol 🤣. A direct quote from the video, "every third party manufacturer supports Sony E Mount"
I would stay away from the Canon brand because they stopped third party lens makers from making lenses. Now you can only buy Canon lenses. That could get excessively expensive.
Agree... RIP Canon
You can still use EF lens on the RF mount. I never buy third party glass.
@@bngr_bngr For a lot of people, that is not enough. I jump from Canon DSLR to Panasonic Lumix MFT and i am happy, very happy.
@@Victaaar so you are using third party lenses on your Panasonic?
@@bngr_bngr I do. Laowa 20mm. I use a couple Olympus primes too tho.
I really don't take part in camera makers wars. They're just stupid, juvenile and in the end counterproductive. Still, I think one has to give credit to Sony for being able to fight their way through as the market's underdog some years ago leading the way for other in lens and sensor technology, let alone opening a fully new professional mirrorless market. What I really appreciate is their pragmatic and daring attitude in accepting criticism and constantly improving upon user feedback creating an open and growing system. Something other more historic and maybe a little too snobby brands should learn. Especially in a gradually shrinking camera market where smartphones are phagocytating more and more shares. There is no space for stubborn pride.
Thanks. Sony has done a good job indeed.
Im not sure to go with lumix m43 or lumix FF. I just got a good deal with an S5 and sigma 85mm 1.4, but I have a gx80 with 20mm 1.7 and 85mm 1.2
Both has it advantages, but dont know the future of cameras/lenses of each.
Could sell the s5 and get a gh6 or a g9 with more lenses, or could sell the mft and get sigma ff zoom and 35mm...
You have to ask yourself what you really need.
A benefit of choosing SONY as an APS-C system is that one also has access to the huge lens selection for the SONY full frame.
And an additional benefit is that one can then also migrate to full frame or be able to have both formats. With Fuji, one is stuck with APS-C.
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I agree. Sony has two main advantages. 1). One lens mount across all bodies. 2). Lens selection, including a large number of 3rd party lenses.
Your "native lenses support" is really a "producers' support", therefore your "guide" cannot be taken for a "definitive" one. Nikon camera owners (and I'm one of them) who own dozens of DSLR era lenses (or even pre-digital era lenses) are most certainly pleased as punch being able to attach all those lenses on their Z line bodies. For most of these people, this is the key reason not to switch the brand and at the same time to go for mirrorless).
Thanks for sharing. My guide is one person's opinion, like I said in the video, it's not fact or definitive. I also mentioned adapted lenses in the video and I'm really happy to hear they work for you🙂
@@mattisulanto OK, but then again, the title of your video should be changed (DEFINITIVE guide). And I think your article would've been more fair had it emphasized the Z-adapter's role, since it is only Nikon who made it possible the use of old-school lenses on their newest line up, whereas greedy bastards (like canon) didn't allowed it for their customers even in the previous iteration).
@@DrAgan_tortojed Please do not take it so seriously, it's only an opinion, like yours too. In the video I very clearly say it's one person's opinion and someone else might disagree. I think it would be boring if we all had the same opinion on everything. Nikon is doing a fantastic job and for example the Z9 is probably the best professional performance camera at the moment. If I make another similar video in the future I may have to rank Nikon the best😀
@@mattisulanto That's OK - we had expressed our opinions.
I'm sorry but the Nkon lineup is now more attractive than Sony, and the Z9 is simply the best camera ever created. Nothing even comes into its universe at the moment...and I am a Lumix shooter.
Thanks for sharing and no need to be sorry, we all are entitled to our opinions😀 By the way, I agree that the Z9 is awesome.
I will stay with Canon now a dslr 6d mkii. And maybe one day mirrorless and with an adapter to use ef lenses. Those work great with eos r system. But there will be 3th party lenses for canon rf mount. But just not right now. It will come. So we should be patient and use the ef lenses with an adapter works great no idea why those are not interesting enough.
Thanks. You should definitely do what you feel is the best for you😀
Panasonic over Canon and Nikon is very questionable.
It is😀
It is very simple. Best crop camera - Fuji X-S10, because it is the only crop camera for 1000$ which has stabilisation and also sigma 18-50/2.8. Best full frame camera - Sony or Nikon. Sony has tonns of lenses, Nikon has Z5 for 1000$, which is total bargain.
Canon is the worst, because there no RF lenses. There is very limited amount of RF lenses, and they are all or more expensive than sony or nikon, or worse, or both.
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hmmm. Canon mirrorless lens lineup sucks... scrap them.
I think Canon would want to argue that their R7 is a pro APSC body, so there is another option for a pro APSC body. Just the lens options would be FF lenses or adapted mainly.
Yeah, maybe Canon thinks so😀
@@mattisulanto haha, it's certainly not called pro, but features wise it has a lot of the attributes, good grip, weather sealed, pro level autofocus and fps, IBIS, good video specs, dual cards.
We'll see if Canon actually cares about making significant RF APSC specific lenses though. Their history on APSC support is questionable.
@@fgrep15 My thoughts exactly. Canon's APS-C support has not been that great in the past.
@@mattisulanto For Street / General photography, the RF 35mm and 50mm are inexpensive lenses which will work as a 56mm and 80mm on the Canon APS-C, then use the kit zoom for the rest. I agree Fujifilm might hold the crown for APS-C support, but I hear the auto-focus is less than stellar, and what is their repair record? All Canon, low to high, are made in Japan. As for Sony, what about the ergonomics and menu system, is that not a drag on the goodness factor? Sony does have some good reviews. I assume Canon is stubborn, like Apple company, and will not budge on third party lens support??? - Loren Schwiderski / Street Photography
Personally, I don't trust Sony, particularly its support. When I researched this a few years ago, I found this true over all of Sony's product ranges. There's also weather sealing....
I think Canon makes the best FF mirrorless camera. Most photographers can get by very well with the ultrawide, the standard wide and standard telephoto zoom lenses, in whatever systems. Choosing Canon in particular comes with the penalty of no third party AF lenses, but that doesn't make it a bad choice. Wouldn't be mine, it's true.
I might be wrong, but isn't it rapidly losing market share?
I bought a Lumix S1R and adaptor for my TS-E lenses. Those lenses are the reason I never considered switching to Nikon or Pentax, after I started using them.
I think the number of lenses is largely irrelevant. Tamron and Sigma have 70-200 lenses for Canon EF, and Canon has several of them - max aperture F2.8 or F8, stabilised or not. Choose one and be happy. What made Canon's FF DSLRs stand out was the other lenses, less common lenses - its (now) five TS-E lenses and its MP-E 65.
Thanks for your opinion.
How can you even make this video fully knowing the fx30 exist lol also Sony has sooo many more apsc lenses to choose from than Fuji. Also Fuji autofocus is terrible.. super biased video man not cool
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
@@mattisulanto uhm not really an opinion, more of a fact if you look at tests and statistics ! You have a platform to educate and if you rank brands like this but leave out info you should probably correct it since there are a lot of impressionable people out there watching your stuff
Well, in the video I very clearly say it's my opinion, only one person's opinion and everyone may not agree. If you think Sony APS-C is the best, that is fine and I have no problem with that.
Fujifilm has 10 APS-C ILC models (plus the X100 and XF fixed lens models), each with different features and appeal. I own none of them. I also recognise the strength of Sony’s lens universe. Yes the FX30 is a pretty cool video camera but it won’t be for everyone, and reports are that its sensor isn’t as advanced as Fujifilm’s latest (XH2) and other recent sensors (XT4 etc). So I reckon Matti’s opinion is soundly based.
I went from Canon DSLR to R/RF and came back. CR3 files are nothing but time waste to convert , very limited and not quality build lenses. Adapting lenses comes with terrible bulk from huge adapter.
If I would have tons of money I would go with Leica L mount SL line and L mount Sigma lenses. But I'm not this rich and here is no support for SL cameras in North America, it is sent to Germany for repairs.
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