Every year MFT enthusiasts have to listen to "MFT IS DYING" or "MFT IS DEAD" and every year we get more lenses, better cameras, I'm so tired of this stupid thing happening every year. Thank you for staying enthusiastic about MFT!!
Cameras take several years of development. When rumours appear than it takes maybe a few years until the pipeline spits out all products in there to monetise them :)
"Four Thirds dying" was something I remember all the headlines wrote in their weekly photo papers in 2009, ridicules well technically they were correct, Four Thirds did die, and was replaced by MFT for those who do not know, m43 sensors are a version of the DSLR four thirds sensor, mirrorless four thirds as it was initially nicknamed. I saw the same articles in 2010, 2012 and even in 2014, funny how MFT is still going although for photography I would say buying new all the time is redundant, cameras from 2010+ are all excellent even today, better in some ways even!
I used full frame for wildlife but now I use the OM1. This is the first camera I’ve owned that once setup- just gets out of your way and produces better photos than I could ever imagined. The results are way better than my skill level. This means I use it more often, builds my skill level and makes photography more fun.
Essentially, a 20MP M4/3 is enough for most photographers, especially with the majority of people content with using a mobile phone and are convinced it matches a pro DSLR. As a magazine designer, I know 20MP will cover a two page print spread. With a photo shot in good lighting, I would challenge anyone but the most extremely critical pixel peeper to be able to tell the difference between an M4/3. APS-C and 35mm sensor, especially in print. I shoot under terrible lighting in small music venues (mostly low quality RGB LEDs), which will challenge any sensor to produce clean, noise-free images at any ISO. I use the EM-1iii with f/1.8 primes for shooting the gigs and up to ISO 3200 I can barely tell the difference between them and images I made with a Canon FF DSLR and L series f/2.8 zoom lenses, or f/1.8 Canon primes. I know the bands and fans that see the photos can't tell the difference, and they don't care either. One band wanted to use one of my live shots taken with an EM-1ii and the Leica 9mm f/1.7 for the fold-out cover of their upcoming LP, so 12" x 24" at 300 DPI. For them it was the image that mattered and nothing else. It's lenses where M4/3 really shines. "Full frame" bodies may have come down in size but the lenses are still big, heavy and expensive, especially for fast glass. Imagine the size and price of a 35mm equivalent of the new Leica 9mm f/1.7. I've recently got back into shooting fungi, and I couldn't imagine trying to do it with the big and heavy Canon DSLR gear I was using. In fact, I'm not sure it would even been practically possible to get the shots I did with EM-1iii and the Zuiko 30mm Macro. To my way of thinking, it's the 35mm sensor that is irrelevant. M4/3 serves the same purpose as the 35mm film SLRs used to for documentary work such as news, sport, and wildlife: compact, portable cameras with sharp, fast lenses. Medium format digital cameras, like the Fujifilm GFX series, will then serve those who need high megapixels for advertising, portraits and other studio work. 35mm sensors are more akin to 645 film cameras: considered too small for medium format and too big for a "miniature" camera (as 35mm used to be called). Although I like using my Mamiya 645. Outside of the M4/3 community, the biggest problem M4/3 faces is from the negativity of "experts" on RUclips and other online places, who consider "full frame" the only real format, all bolstered by the marketing campaigns of the main camera makers. The trouble is everyone is still thinking in terms of 35mm film, and current sensors, lenses and digital technology bear little comparison to that format anymore, and fewer and fewer new photographers have even shot 35mm film. I hope M4/3 continues to exist and maybe even thrive.
You strike too very good points, my fellow editor: paradoxically, the MFT serves now the similar serment / purpose as 35 mm film camera's used to in the beginning. Also, nobody compares the resolution of 35 mm film results by and large to the digital sensor sizes now. I know positively that my oldest MFT cameras (GH2, GM1, G80) have far more resolution than my quality 35 mm film camera (Nikon FM) used to. But mechanically, we identify the 35mm negative film area size with the full frame digital sensor size, and look down at the MFT sensor size for being physically that much smaller...
The most important move for the future of MFT is for OM Digital and Panasonic to lower the barriers so both camera systems can natively talk to each others lenses with respect to CAF and Dual IBIS.
I just bought a Laowa 50mm Macro lens for my LUMIX G85 and it’s been fun to use and light enough to carry all day long. I also have a Panasonic Leica 100-400mm (200-800 equivalent) that I took to Kenya/Tanzania last year and it worked out really well. My point is, the M4/3 system is versatile and portable for many users.
My first EM5MK2 was my first serious camera. I didn't understand sensor size, etc but I am really thankful as till today its my fun system. Though I had a EOS 550D 3 years prior, I was stuck with the kit lens as I could not afford canon lens, but pricing for M43 lens were so much affordable, 45mm f1.8, 25mm f1.8 and I managed to build a library of lens. I have owned the A7III in 2018 as its really a FF dream. But somehow I always lean back to M43, which is why I changed to GX9 from my old oly. It's much more fun system, though realistically Sony FF IQ is better than M43. M43 is just a more fun system, really feels like home. Though I really hope M43 maintains the size of EM5 series or the GX series. As you mentioned, size is key. G9 is alot bigger which defeats the original intention of M43. I am looking forward to GX10. Please Panasonic, don't give up on M43 rangefinder style.
The only camera they need to bring back is the Pen F for travel and street...make it waterproof improve the ibis use the same sensor as the OM1 and also improve the focus and buffer and battery life ...they could add more art film modes like they already have ...we need a rangefinder style in the line up .
I definitely agree that Panasonic needs to continue to pursue the small size benefits of M43. I love my G9 and would love to see a Mark II version but I rarely use it due to the size. I would much rather see a newer and lighter GX85 but with a newer sensor and PDAF (not that it's really needed). I use my GX85 far more than my G95 and G9 due to how convenient it is.
I would love to see and willing to pay a premium for a GX7 or smaller body with all the bells and whistles of a recent em1 series cam. It makes me sad that most of the latest models are the bigger bodies.
Exactly! M43 used to have big advantage over FF with features like IBIS, faster burst rates, better video, cheaper and smaller. But now, the market has caught up. You can have FF cameras now that have all those features that used to be found only on M43. So, the only advantages the M43 has now, is cheaper lenses and smaller. But Panasonic is going for bigger! I mean, its ridiculous - You can buy a FF camera that is smaller than a panasonic M43 camera. What are they doing? The G9 ii is huge for a M43 camera. I own G95 and GX85 as well and thats a perfect combo. The G95 is about the right size, but no bigger than that.
@@ahojahojishAt least Panasonic is investing in the system. OM is just cleaning it's current stock. Panasonic is selling that because that's what people is buying.
I grew up with manual film cameras - TLRs, then 35mm rangefinders. The 1970s-1980s SLR cameras offered what I considered the best, easiest forms of control - aperture, shutter, match needle or similar metering. Today that’s still all I want in a camera. Most digital cameras today offer far more options than I care about, and it comes at the expense of easy use. I have a bunch of MFT cameras, but usually use the LUMIX LX100. I would like a longer built-in lens, though. If I were a professional I would place reliability high on my list. But today I am strictly amateur, and I find myself using my iPhone for many pictures - it’s there, it’s quick, it delivers. I think the future of photography lies in computational strategies. And smaller is better. MFT should have a bright future because it is already small, but all camera manufacturers need to take cell phone technology seriously.
No way real cameras will ever compete with phone cameras for size, convenience and availability. As pure amateur I didn’t get my XT5 to be a replacement for phone camera rather to experience photography as it used to be and this includes some learning curve.
Thanks Matti! I always look forward to watching you. I’m not a video guy. I think that a 20mp sensor and current features are good enough for a lifetime. But it’s a business and new cameras/features are needed to generate sales. As thousands of folks have said before .. it’s the lens size that is the portable advantage for M43. As I watched James Popsys say recently .. if you’re pixel peeping my photo, I’ve probably failed to tell an interesting story with my composition (or something like that 😉) .. Cheers!
As a photographer using all formats, I'm glad to have micro 4 3 cameras. I prefer smaller cameras with smaller lenses when I'm out and about. I'll usually grab a 4 3 camera or a small APS-C camera, and I can't say I ever felt that the camera limited me. However, when I'm traveling or in a social situation, I grab my phone instead of my camera. Why? Because of its connectivity. I would like to see the ability to do easy edits and upload directly on a camera, similar to what I can do on my phone. The camera can use my phone for a cellular connection, but I don't want to upload selected photos to the phone and then go from there. I want to be able to do it all on the camera.
Lumix LX100II successor in PEN F style with updated tech a combination of both Panasonic and OM-System. Lightweight street photography and vlog focused compact although probably extend the length to fit OM-1 batteries in it. With grip accessories and mic inputs. 12-70mm 2.8 fixed lens would be the sweet spot IMO.
OM is leveraging the M43 strengths for wildlife shooters. I think that’s a great strategy. Not a OM user myself but I like where they’re going with this.
I think one of the things I'd add to your list of expectations for M43 is better -- much better -- collaboration between OMDS and Panasonic which could not only make for a more consistent and enjoyable experience as a result of cross-compatibility within the M43 platform and across brands, but also could strengthen the M43 platform as a significant & attractive competitor for photographers and enthusiasts alike. An example of this collaboration is for each to find ways to make the unique characteristics of their extensive lens collections functional on bodies from both brands. I understand that each company wants to maintain its distinctiveness and therefore its competitiveness, but their execution of that goal appears to be short-sighted in view of the shrinking photography market. If they work together, they may both benefit by maximizing the potential of the platform thereby attracting new customers to the platform rather than becoming an 'also ran'.
Thank you David, unfortunately my English is too poor to express myself. I also wish they would work together more closely. Pana, OMDS and we Users would win-win-win. Just imagine, there were only 2 max 3 diff Battery-Types for MFT, usable in Pana as well as OMDS. They missed a lot of opportunities. Hopefully they will do better in future.
Agreed. M43 should focus on small-stylish and fun to use cameras. Purpose built cameras are inherently more 'fun' to use than camera phones. M43 has an edge over phone camera quality already. I'm a fan of phones for their convenience, but images from them all have that flat, over-processed same look to them. M43 can provide a path for enthusiasts looking for that next step up in image quality, flexibility and fun.
I'm glad you brought up (briefly) the LX100ii [8:18] - I'd love to see a comparably fast standard zoom lens for M4/3 bodies. More than that, I'd love to see an update to the GM5.
I believe that your colleague Peter correctly stated that the strategy by OM systems and Panasonic that focuses on the delivering cameras that help people (and not just “photographers” or “ vloggers”) get and capture the most out of their experiences is crucial. This combined with easy creativity that empowers people to move beyond the comfort of a phone for capturing moments, events, and stories remains germane. And to your point, building in the “fun” of the experience. The future is bright. The format is wonderful, and MFT remains incredibly fun to use.
I do agree with you that MFT cameras are fun to use and carry around. I use MFT, APS-C and Full Frame cameras and MFT cameras certainly do not lack in terms of image quality, yet have the portability and ruggedness build in. Indeed, I've been using a Fuji XT-3 lately (long term loan from a good friend), and I've been disappointed with it's image quality vis-a-vis with my Oly E-M5ii. Sure the jpeg colours are very saturated, but whether that is good or bad is a personal opinion. Olympus and Nikon colour science are great too. As for image noise, the XT-3 is very close to that of the E-M5ii, surprisingly. Processed in DXO, the images look the same. My conclusion from all my cameras is that I simply do not care which camera I take on my photo walk, just whichever takes my fancy or appropriate. For example, I will not take my D750 with a zoom lens hiking but will take the E-M5ii instead.
Also agree to the fun part and part of the fun for me is it compactness. But in recent years Panasonic and Olympus went to bigger cameras and bigger PRO lenses and since 2014 there hasn't been any new pancake lens for example. But exactly this compactness advantage I would see as the major strength of the MFT system. And I believe going bigger and additionally not keeping up with technology (like focus, sensor resolution) but competitors closing in on image stabilization has faded the attractiveness of this system in recent years. The PEN-F is now 7 years old and the last real compact camera with EVF. The OM-1 and G9 are basically the same size as fullframe cameras from Nikon and Sony and in case of OM-1 also cost as much which makes it very difficult to recommend these days. The smaller customer base for OMS and Pana will make it much more difficult to get enough funding for further development these days. And now with the statement from Sigma on 24. Feb 2023 that they see a downwards trend for MFT and will not develop anything for MFT anymore doesn't make it any better. The days of MFT are numbered ... which will not stop us to having fun with it. But recommending MFT to new photographers is already quite a stretch these days ... especially when recommending a very compact solution you need to recommend 7 year old camera (which is difficult to get) and 10 year old lenses compared to the new, more advanced mirrorless solutions from Canon, Nikon, Sony which aren't that much bigger and neither more expensive.
@@stefanwagener Just because the latest lenses are focussed on the fulfilling the needs of pro users does not mean that we have stopped buying the small, compact and brilliantly sharp pancake and "midget" lenses from Olympus and Panasonic! Nothing touches the Olympus 45/1.8 for compactness and sharpness, period.
@@TL-xw6fh 1. 10 years ago the 45mm was one of the sharpest lenses you could get for MFT. But you also see its age now when you shoot in 80MP high res mode and compare it to the visibly sharper Panasonic 25-50mm f1.7 or to any modern full frame lenses like Nikon Z 40mm f/2. And that's the point, Nikon, Canon, Sony went the other direction and went more compact and are closing the gap in size more and more. Yes, MFT still has some advantage in the tele range, but they have given up on miniaturization. What's the point of getting a compact 45mm if you can't get the compact bodies like PEN-F anymore? Then the whole camera system isn't really much significant smaller than the modern full frame mirrorless solutions. 2. MFT manufacturer need new customers if they want to make enough profit from lenses like the 45mm. Most existing owners of MFT system who have the need for a lens like the 45mm probably have one already (in this case probably because it is also pretty cheap). And if they can't attract new customers (which seems to be the case these days) then one alternative would be to come up with new lenses for existing MFT camera owners. Well, they do create new lenses, but the question is if the big lenses are attractive for the existing owners .... which is probably not be the case for those who bought into this system for its compactness in first place. So just saying, from the compactness of the 45mm and similar old lenses alone OMS and Panasonic will not make enough money for surviving. They need to create more attractiveness and a bigger customer base .. and going big wasn't probably helping a lot here. Focusing on wildlife and macro is an excellent match for MFT, and there MFT has still its advantages in size, but unfortunately it is quite a niche market. By not doing more on ultra small solutions and not keeping a competitive advantage in size and technology they will likely loose many "standard" photographers who will find similar compact, but more capable solutions in the more modern fullframe cameras from Nikon and alike. E.g. a fullframe Nikon Z5 with a pancake wide angle 26mm is now more compact than a OM-1 with the 12mm lens. And the Z5 combo would be actually much cheaper as well.
Always enjoyable to listen to. My views are now very much governed by my increasing age but I think mobile phones have started to knock the stuffing out of enthusiast photography. There will always be professional photographers and full frame seems safe for the future because of that. I have just sold my full frame and am now using mostly MFT and my little Ricoh GR3x. Were I in charge of Panasonic or OM systems my focus would be on creating a small fixed lens MFT to compete with the Fuji x100v and the ricoh gr3/gr3x. I think that what ricoh have achieved with an APSC sensor, MFT could easily compete with a pocketable 35 or 40mm f2(ish) len’s with ibis. Weather sealing would not be necessary for a pocketable camera. A competent macro capability would be a great asset too.
I agree! I rented a GRIIIx and I couldn’t help but think that M43 could do the same thing but at f/1.7 for same DOF but increased light gathering. A bit better IBIS also.
Yes! M43 should be small, compact, with great tech. I want my GX10 please! 😁 Something important about m43 are the lenses and their low cost but great quality. I don't mean the huge pro lenses from Oly/OM, I mean the classic m43 lenses and the recent Leica 9mm. These are in the spirit of m43. The new OM 90mm is a great pro macro lens. But to me the Oly 60mm f2.8 macro is still the m43 macro king! I am tempted by the competition. Fuji especially. Fuji has caught up to m43 in many areas. Now Pany and OM have to do more. The GX10 should be amazing! 😉
@@mattisulanto Years ago m43 was well ahead of the competition but I agree, now, the others have caught up. Even Nikon has a nice range of mirror less models now. We need a wow-feature perhaps.
Yes, I would love to see a GX10. What makes m43 great is that the form factor allows high quality compact lenses on a compact body. It is perfect for traveling. You don't need to carry a backpack with gigantic full frame lenses through a New Zealand airport which limits your carry on luggage to 15 pounds. Micro four thirds provide outstanding quality with compact, light weight equipment.
My wishlist: 1. 24+ MP BSI stacked sensor (something like a hybrid of the GH6 and OM-1 sensor ;-)) in "pro-sumer" models and up. 2. Weather sealing in all lenses and bodies, not only in the "professional" line - amateurs and everyday people alike want to use their cameras in bad weather too. 3. Hand-held pixel-shift hi-res mode in "pro-sumer" models and up. But at least a pixel-shift hi-res mode (this is already present in E-M5 models and Pen F, so the hand-held mode would be nice, with GH6 quality for moving objects).
Matti -- my one and only MFT camera is the G85 -- I bought into it when I wanted to get into digital photography with that interchangeable-lens/SLR feel that I remembered from 35mm photography, but without breaking the budget and with video capabilities. I did a little research and definitely liked the smaller size of this camera compared to the full-frame and APS-C DSLR cameras at the time. I still really like it -- yes, the AF for video has let me down at times -- but for stills the AF is acceptable for me. And having a dozen native MFT lenses -- AF and manual focus -- along with adapters to use vintage, manual lenses -- has allowed me a tremendous amount of creativity for both stills and video. The image quality from the 16MP sensor, without stretching the ISO capability, is great for video and stills. I have made a number of precious family and personal-aesthetic photos to get prints (up to 11x14) which are very sharp and (in my humble view) look as good as a larger-sensor camera. But yes -- the GH series and the G9 "grew" the bodies of the cameras in order to handle the enhanced electronics and heat required for the higher MP and better image processing. I would still lean to the G85 body size in that "SLR"-styled package. And those "compact" Lumix cameras with the MFT mount (GX series) look very appealing to someone looking for an even more compact body, but with most of the same capabilities, and the same lens options -- just not my style. So it does seem like Panasonic and OM-whoever (!) would be cutting out a specific customer base by dropping that style of camera. Thank you for your thoughts!
M4/3s strongest selling point is the smaller and lighter lenses. Overall, the M4/3s is easier to carry around. This makes it ideal for the amateur photographer, bloggers, and some professional applications. These strong points is where the marketing for M4/3s needs to do.
I agree with this, and not with Sultanoblog's statement that only the sensor is cheaper with MFT - The MFT lenses are also cheaper - and smaller, and this is a very big deal - not just the convenience, but there are often times when you do not want to stand out in the crowd when taking pictures. And the smaller sensor has less mass - making for better IBIS. At the (UK) photography show, I suggested to OMDS that they should focus less on frequent camera releases and more providing an open platform - not just allowing, but actively supporting, hackers and nerds who can provide specialist hardware and software features which OMDS themselves could never justify economically. A lot of small niches make for a bigger market. Also, old (hand-me-down or second hand) cameras are how most people start, and brand loyalty is strong in photography because of how much you learn about your chosen family. Supporting "obsolete" kit is a cheap way to buy market share for people who might remain with you for 40 or 50 years - longer than most marriages! The fact that I can still use my old 4/3 lenses on my M1 Mk2 is very important to me - they represent an investment 10x greater than the M1 Mk2, and can sometimes do things the new lenses can't (designed for the days of ISO400, they have big apertures - important in museums and churches). Oly probably bought a lot of customers by supporting their older products. OMDS need to public commit and actively promote that they have the same commitment to 4/3 in top of the range models as one of their USPs - it is a good way to get people like me to go for the top model and not mid-range. This time of year, I bring out the old E510 for its great colours too!
As I said before - m4/3 missed a great opportunity. Several years back, they had all the tools to overtake the vlogging market. But the perfect cameras for that, like E-M10 series by Olympus and the GX series by Panasonic, always lacked something - rotating screen, microphone jack, phase-detect AF, good codecs and simplified menus. All they needed was a lens like the new 9mm and some visionary could have made them the leading platform, with smaller size, silent lenses, IBIS and what-you see-is-what-you-get exposure. But now? Now the full frame cameras have all that. Even the size shrunk to comparable dimensions.
I recently got my hands on a GM5 and I think it represents such a unique proposition. Top quality features and controls in a tiny package, with great IQ and access to a huge catalogue of lenses. With the right small prime it's genuinely coat pocketable, the 20mm 1.7 for example. If they could revive the GM line they might have quite a few takers; with the compact camera craze that's going on at the moment, a new GM 1 and 5 would clean up. Put a modern sensor in there, more robust control dial and be done with it. Stretch goal, fit IBIS! But I'd rather keep the size down than have IBIS, there are other cameras with that
I love my GM5. With the tiny 12-32mm zoom it's not bigger than a compact camera, but I can use all my MFT lenses on it. And it even has a reasonable EVF! It's such a convenient little thing.
Thank you for expanding your thoughts from RUclips conversation a few weeks back. I’ve become a devotee of MFT and Panasonic (originally Olympus). I’m excited for what is coming from Panasonic. Again, thanks for sharing more of your thoughts.
In the end, it's all about the glass. Recently I went full frame with the Panasonic S5 for my own camera system, there is so much glass out there. M43 the same. I think M43 is great for run and gun type stuff, that requires more depth of field. Full frame allows one to isolate on your subject more, and is a little better in low light. My solution at work was to have both M43 and Full frame Panasonic. Not everyone has the ability to that I know, but I think it's a great combo, and nobody has ever complained about the M43 shots. Thanks for another excellent video! Really got me thinking.
My idea is make an x100v version in M43. Fixed 17mm f1.4 lens with electronic shutter. A BSI and stacked 20mp sensor no alissing filter. IBIS. No EVF but a fully articulating screen
I think your thoughts are spot on. An updated Lumix DMC-GM5 with the 20mp BSI stacked sensor and the associated focusing improvements etc together with updated versions of lenses like the Olympus 12mm F2 would be a dream camera I fear will never exist.
A LUMIX / Leica collaboration that delivers CL or Pen-F (digital models) sizing with M11 Rangefinder functionality and a PIXII mentality… for stills photographers. Architect a tight interface with our mobile phones for video when that’s desired.. Dreaming again!
Totaly agree with you. The history and identity of the micro 4/3 is above all a small, slight, versatile and affordable camera and lenses. No one will start shooting with a 90mm macro at $1,500... Nothing prevents them from also developing a "niche and rich" strategy, but it would be a shame to lock themselves into it.
I shoot mainly wildlife. I spent two weeks in the Falkland Islands using my Canon gear aswell as the G9 - which i shot with the 200mm prime lens. The images taken on the G9 are stunning, and I present my work to camera clubs around the UK. I own the Canon R5 and big primes - I would dearly love to see a Lumix G9 Mk2! An improved AF essential along with better low light performance.
Having a pro level camera like the OM-1 that allows people to use the compact 4/3rds lenses made by Olympus and others is certainly a major plus for the 4/3 system in general. The new OM-5 is a fine camera for those of us who prefer a smaller form factor, just as the original OM-1 appealed to us back in the 70's (compared to the Nikon, Pentax, and Canon film cameras). Micro 4/3rds cameras still have a price advantage for what they offer over much of the competition.
Just bought an OM-5 this summer and I couldn't agree more! It does everything I need it to in a small form factor, and with good glass, it takes amazing pictures. The weather sealing is a must, and very good to have.
I switched from a full-frame Nikon to an OM-1, not only for the lighter camera body but also for the lighter, smaller lenses. I had a Nikon Zoom out to 400mm that I almost never used because it was too large to carry. Now I have a 40-150 mm zoom with a 1.4 teleconverter that is equivalent to to full-frame 56-420. It is light enough and small enough that I do use it--a lot. I was impressed by the selection of high-quality lenses that OM systems has available. I went from a 24 mp sensor to a 20 mp sensor, and from lens stabilization to in-body. To my surprise my average picture was sharper. Better IBIS more than made up for the slight drop in pixels.
As evidenced by the recent 90mm macro launch, I feel like OM System is capitalizing on the edge they already have in the market with wildlife (especially macro) photography, for which a smaller form-factor is often the most desirable. Someday, maybe MFT will be synonymous with nature photography. I think we’re gonna see the macro genre continue to make big strides over the next decade. A lot of people are into this.
Interesting, but I don't understand why the size and weight difference between MFT and full frame are significant for wildlife or macro. I can understand that people don't want to log that 600mm prime up mountains, but those camera/lens combos can produce outstanding images. For macro, most folks are using a heavy tripod and not wandering too far, so why does a small weight difference matter? Really just want to understand this perspective.
@@kevins8575 Certainly, Micro 4/3 would not be my first choice if I were a landscape photographer. Actually, it would probably be my last-and medium format would be #1 (if I could afford it)! But since when are macro/wildlife photographers lugging around heavy tripods?-not with the 5-axis image stabilization on OM System. All the macro shooters I follow shoot handheld, just with that cool Cygnus diffuser that I haven’t yet been able to get my hands on.
I received my 3rd MFT body this past week: an OM-1. At the moment I only have Panny glass. I sold my Sony 200-600 to offset the purchase of the OM-1. I have a Sony FF 7R3 and an older a65 ASP-C body. Assuming I add the M.Zuiko 90mm macro, I'll likely offload the a65 (which I use for macro only). I think Panny/Lumix is ignoring MFT still shooters - they seem to have focused on FF which is OK but I'm not sure how that will work out for them in the long run. I realize that the OM-1 was a gamble but it seems to be the top dog these days in MFT. I'm hoping that the OM-1 with the Panny 100-400 will solve my bird shooting. Thanks for your continuing engagement on the MFT universe! Maybe someday we'll both be in the same place at the same time! Cheers - Gary
Look at film cameras, they only have very basic functions, but are fun to use. I would love a "back-to-basics" M4/3 camera, without video, etc. This might even make these cameras cheaper to purchase, but more fun to use. I only use basic functions on my Olympus E-M5 mark ii camera, 90% of the functions are wasted on a user like me. I think that the wheel may turn full-circle, hopefully soon!
Yes! Fun! That's exactly why I love the MFT! I've just gotten started with a Lumix GX85 and an Olympus lens 40mm-150mm. Takes great pictures and is a joy to hold and walk with for hours. No more lugging around a Canon DSLR with a 100mm-400mm lens. Taking wildlife shots is much easier with the MFT format. Love it. I use a weathered leather purse as a camera bag, no more carrying a "steal me" advert, that attracts thieves. Small and it takes great pictures. At lunch with friends, I put the camera on the table and take pictures of my friends; much less intrusive than the DSLR. The question is how come I didn't know about this years ago? And what lens to buy next? Peace.
excellent review matte, I started my micro 4/3 experience in 2013, 20 years ago with the GX7. I was impressed with this fun factor camera and have stayed with panasonic over these many years. I currently shoot with the full frame Panasonic S5 and the step up to full-frame is hugely impressive. but my daily carry, go everywhere camera is a gx9 with the panasonic leica 15mm f1.7 lens. the connection between panasonic and leica has also been an infuence in my choosing to stay with the panasonic brand. zen billings in canada.
Whomever comes out with a MFT camera that does computational photography and higher megapixel count could dominate the market. Look at the Fuji X-T5 VS the Panasonic S5 II the higher megapixel count loses its clarity from the smaller sensor to a degree but also lenses need to be better clarity to handle the higher megapixel count. MFT is challenging to go higher with pixel density like APSC is so it makes sense to go with computational algorithms so that it can produce a 40MP image that is clear without having to use a $1500 lens to get that clarity out of the sensor.
My OM-1 MIV is a fantastically fun camera-I’ve owned it for 6 months and am still exploring all the crazy shot-setups I can get and still making comparisons with my Mamiya, Pentax and Voightlander full-frame cameras. Right now, I wouldn’t give up my Om1-Mk4 4/3 for anything. I think it’s what I want to call my personal bug-out pocket rocket 🤣😂👍😃
Man M4/3 is perfect for street photography. I wish OM Systems revamps the Pen or make a fixed lens system that can rival the Fujifilm X100 series. Would definitely bring some people over.
Replacements for the G9, GH6, GX9, G90 and G100 with the new autofocus technology woulb be a dream lineup. A GX9+ with 'Street' features like the Ricoh GR's could get a real cult following.
I just got an LUMIX GX9 and I think this camera is perfect for me. You have fun, decent body, not big but not small enough as well. I think they should focus as well on the entry market, without loosing the quality factor because not everyone have like £700 to start in this hobby and being able to start with something like the GX880 is awesome.
This is a lovely overview, thank you! I used to shoot with a Panasonic GX1, but then got lured into the Fujifilm ecosystem, by X-E2 and its viewfinder and controls.
Good points Peter. I think it will be a mistake if m4/3 tries to go head-to-head against the bigger formats with bigger cameras. I cannot believe how huge the GH and G cameras are! They've dropped very good small cameras like the GM series and the PEN F ostensibly because they claim it didn't sell well enough, yet all us enthusiasts keep clamouring for such cameras. To me, my E-M5 Mk III + grip + 12-100 is about as big as I'd want to take on a trip. I can't imagine traveling with a FF kit or even APS-C. That's what they have to lean into.
a7r2, Lumix G9, and most recently a Olympus E-PL-1 owner here. Sony sets a high benchmark for the other two to aspire to. Recently I have discovered the upscale feature in raw processing, and the significant increase in resultant image quality that the M4/3 raw file can enjoy. Now the 12 year old and the 5 year old M4/3's cameras seem a lot closer to the Sony. I print A3+ with the Canon Pro 100, and the results are very close!
@@hoffen In Raw Therapie 5.8 and probably all the subscription raw processing software there is a box that states the number of pixels in the vertical and the horizontal axies. Just below that it has a enable upscaling box which you can type in the number of pixels that you want. I usually go for about 8000 in the horizontal and 7000 in the vertical. (Up from say 5184x3888). It makes the correct proportions automaticly. There are adjustable settings for sharpening added during this process. When the image is processed and saved to a folder, it has the much larger overall size. When this bigger file is sent to the printer (Canon pro 100 in my case) the printer software sizes it to the final print size. There was a learning curve that I had to overcome, but the resulting print looks a lot sharper to my eye!
I think your last point is the most relevant one. MFT has a problem of justifying its prices when a bunch of affordable APS-C and Fullframe cameras and lenses have come out. When only the sensor is cheaper in manufacturing, there is not a lot of leeway to offer MFT at reasonable prices and still make a profit. Anyway, I still enjoy using my Lumix G9 very much and will continue to do so.
I still use both the Olympus OMD Em-5 and Epl- 5 and both work flawlessly/ I nstarted out purchasing the Olympus Epl-1 which still works and was gifted to a guy in the Philippines, Then I attached a manual lens to help force me to rely on myself to learn how to use the camera and its dials and easy menu to set up for specific types of photography/ these Olympus cameras seem to last forever.
I recently bought a Lumix G100 to use as a ultralight and super capable travel camera. Paired with the Lumix 9mm f1.7, it's a joy! Really enjoying it. For more serious work, I used my G9 (airshows) and S5ii for portraits and anything else with more intention.
G9 vs. S5II, is there really much of a difference. I wonder if the new 26mp sensor in a G9II would narrow the gap. The PDAF is irrelevant for photography… 🤔
Hello Matti. I shoot photos and videos. I am mostly an enthusiast/hobbyist, but do some paid gigs. I've been using MFT since I switched a few years ago from a Nikon APSC DSLR when someone suggested that I get into 4K via a Panasonic G7. After research, I opted for the G85. I love the form factor, ease of use, and photo & video output. Yes, the Panasonic autofocus in video leaves a lot to be desired, but if you plan accordingly it is not a major problem. And, manual focus is not difficult. I am not interested in the G6 simply because of the size form factor. I have toyed with the idea of a used G9 or GH5 (I mostly buy used gear) but have held off. Currently, I use a G95 & G85 for my A & B video cam (as well as any event photography I may do.) The GX85, usually with the 20mm f1.7 lens, is my everyday carry. I am content with this setup. I know the 35mm sensor is "better" - but for what I do, MFT is good enough for me. No one asks what sensor format I'm using. Are the photos/videos I shoot exposed correctly and in focus the important thing. I am not a Panasonic fanboy, but I do like their cameras. And for someone on a limited fixed budget, they are a great fit. Also, there is a great collection of lenses to choose from. As for the future, I do not think MFT is dying out any time soon. But Panasonic and OM Systems do need to focus more on giving the everyday shooter some needed upgrades. Not everyone wants or needs a $2000 flagship camera. Interestingly enough, after switching formats for 4K video, I still shoot mostly 1080p. Thanks for all of your videos, Matti. I genuinely enjoy them. Cheers. Peace.
Hi, I appreciate your ideas and suggestions. You have an excellent perspective on the M4/3rds systems and photography in general. I agree with your forward looking approach and thoughtful ideas. Please keep your ideas and suggestions on RUclips coming. 🤩👍😎📷👌
Simple solution- adopt Ai and cater to vloggers, allow NVME drives for pro level video/stills, seamless WiFi/Bluetooth integration for instant social media posting, make 1000mm equiv lens to attract sports/wildlife shooters and you'd have a die-hard following the FF crowd won't be able to compete with.
As you mentioned, the biggest challenge is convincing the younger smartphone photographers (SPs) the value of carrying around an extra device that essentially does the same as their smartphone. The secondary challenge is the speed that software can be developed for SPs vs. hardware upgrades (and costs) found in dedicated cameras. What matters most is instant turnaround. No one will ever appreciate (or spend money on a) dslr or mirrorless camera if they can't instantly share it as quickly as a smartphone can. Perhaps a smartcamera with the ability to make phone calls, surf the web, display maps, and instantly post photos to social media is the answer ... oops, we already have that.
Thanks for sharing. I think that phone camera users may also want something different, very traditional like a film camera. But, I guess most want exactly what you say.
I have tried Sony full frame recently, and before that, Sony APSC. Nothing compares to the landscape photos from the LUMIX G100. The deeper depth of field is great, and it is a fun camera to take anywhere b
I have been so more consistent, attentive, and deeper about learning more photography by both studying and taking pictures since I got my gx9 . I m not going back to my Nikon 7000 that was actually my first camera. As you see, I don’t have too many miles in photography, but I am enjoying what I have right now even with its flaws. I have achieved so many better results than before, and I am enjoying the journey
Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk II and Panasonic 100-400mm is all I need for bird photography The 12-40 does the job for everything else. And I only purchased them in November 2021 because they were on clearance at an almost giveaway price. Prior to that I had used an Olympus E-410 and the kit lenses from 2007-2021. Hoping to get 14 years use out of the current Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk II and Panasonic 100-400mm setup. I just can't see myself getting any benefit from changing gear - I find shooting pics every day and studying the habits of the birds I photo far more beneficial.
benefits of m43 are simple: BEST IBIS & small lens. There is no replacement on both. IBIS of small GX9 is better than ALL FF & APSC cam out there, bar none. GH6 and OM1 are class above. The super zoom 14-140 and longer zoom, say 50-200 or 70-300, are far more smaller than anything out there. m43 is great for Vlog, travel, wildlife, sport and anything that make senses. And Vlog (best IBIS in small set up) now is 10m market. Travel (small wide to long zoom) is 1b market.
I fully agree, but lenses last a long time, so after a certain period of time, they do no more provide revenues to the manufacturer so for survival, one must find another way to reopen or open a new market. The Lumix/OMDS body are already so good for average user that there is little justification to upgrade (i am still using my em1mk2 from 2017 and i am still amazed with the output).
Very good comments. As a former Pen F user (sadly it reached its lifespan), you definitely missed the point of the camera. The jpeg features make it fun, just like the recipes on Fujifilm attract a large following. It’s the level of customization and creativity that you can do in the camera that makes it fun to use, and if you want raw to post-process you can have it too. I now have a GX85, EM-1.3, and Fuji XE2S. All are great, but none are as fun as the Pen F. Also note that superfine jpegs are very large, so you have more flexibility in editing them, if desired, and they also print to large sizes without problems. Without the jpeg dial and customization in a hoped-for future Pen F, I wouldn’t buy it because the results would not be different enough from my EM1. I think many others would be in the same boat.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Pen F. I know that many users like those jpeg features and I'm happy for them, but to me they do not add fun🙂
I think one of the biggest things either M43 company can benefit from is better marketing. I think OMDS and Panasonic both make a good camera that competes quite well with most of the offerings from Canon, Nikon, and Sony in terms of sheer picture quality. Leveraging their strengths and advertising a system that is easy to use but incredibly high quality, that you can fit in a pocket and take anywhere but outperform your cell phone is how they can improve. Better mobile connectivity would be great too, since so many people are on cell phones now instead of computers. I personally would like to see a far improved JPEG system similar to Fuji's film simulations but even more customizable. I don't mind editing photos, but if I could get the exact look I want in camera, drop it on to my phone and post it wherever, I'd be much more likely to use that over my cell phone for social media type stuff, or even work. A few simple video centric features like the phase detect auto focus would be nice as well, and proper connections such as ensuring the camera has a mic jack - my only complaint about the GX85. 10bit Long-GOP 4k 60fps/1080p 120fps with LOG would be more than sufficient for most creators too.
My first "non-toy" camera was a Minolta Dynax 7000i, one of the first to have reasonable auto-focus, back in the late 1980s. It was slightly smaller than my OMD-1/MkII, an quite a bit lighter, IIRC. I thought I had "upgraded" when I first took the digital plunge, with a Canon EOS 10D, 40D and 7D, partnered with Canon's L-Series glass: 16-35/2.8, 24-70/2-8, 70-200/2/8 and 100-400/4.5-5.6... but you know what? The results became much more variable. I still got some stunning shots, but they became rarer. After I sold my 7D I discovered why - it didn't have the battery power to drive the big L glass properly... I made a complete switch and did a toe-in-the-water trial with M43 and a Panasonic DMC-GX1. What a revelation!!! Small, light, epic picture quality. What's not to like? I upgraded to an EM-5, then an EM-1 and EM-1 MkII... If you're familiar with the Canokin hegemony, then M43 would come as a complete revelation... you'll find yourself wondering why on earth you spend money on a physiotherapist or chiropractor from lugging heavy kit around when you can hand-hold all day with a fundamentally better M43 and not get tired. Absolutely no need to go with bigger or heavier kit... unless you plan to put your images on the sides of buildings. And if you want to do that, you could go and spend a fortune on a Hasselblad digital (or maybe an A7RV). Brand loyalty appears to be very strong in the prosumer camera marketplace... but in my very limited experience, I've had a 100% success rate in converting my Canikon friends to M43.
Would love to see a new GX camera from panasonic since the small compact form is where M43 shines the most. Originally looked forward to OM-5 alas it was a dud, it was basically a rehashed EM-5 III that was so identical that OM system didnt even bother to upgrade the port from micro USB to Type C, let alone use new sensor or something modern.
A GX85 style body with phase detect AF, weather sealing, and a weather-sealed pancake prime would be an instant buy. Something to compete with the GRIII or X-100V, but with interchangeable lenses. Maybe in “cool” colors.
My background in the 1980's was Mamiya ZE2 (miniature) and Mamiya RB67 Pro S (extended medium format using a Gossen Lunasix III light meter) so having controls to play with is something that I am comfortable with. Now, I have a Leica D-Lux 7 M43 camera and you have all of the controls but, if you press the 'A' button, you can just point and shoot if you want to (although you can use the "A" button in a form that doesn't completely take over everything if you don't want it to). I love it. The x 2 focal length factor makes it all weigh only an eighth of a theoretical full frame (miniature ... 24x36mm) equivalent lens and macro at around 25mm from the end of the lens and a f/1.7 lens is great. A 3x optical zoom is excellent. I just put it in my pocket and take it everywhere with me. The quality of the images is good enough for Alamy and you have full control from RAW to Jpeg in camera if you want (I shoot in RAW and then pick what I want and process that in camera - using the FOTOS app to xfer it to my phone and then off to wherever via wireless). Then there is enrolled facial recognition for AF (so, if you are in a crowd, it will always make your face in focus) and so on. M43 has a lot going for it and with such excellent results, it seems to have a good future. Software updates for the camera mean that you can have the latest. I'm waiting for converging vertical lines correction like there is on the SL2 and SL2-S in an update.
Both the GH6 and OM1 are amazing cameras - but VERY expensive, VERY complex, VERY specialized. I used and own A LOT of Micro Four Thirds cameras. The most fun to use for me is still the Pen F. Four Thirds and Micro Four Thirds used to be the only camera systems I used when shooting digital. I added a bunch of other formats to the mix, e.g. Ricoh GRIII and GRIIIx, a Leica M10, Canon EOS full frame (analog and digital). If there was a new Pen F (updated, better viewfinder refresh rate/resolution, better body construction,faster processor, more premium build etc.), I would buy that for sure. I would also like to see an update to the GX9. The OM System conundrum with losing the Olympus brand name for marketing their cameras is a real shame.
I think there is room for upgrades of both the G9 (flagship stills oriented body) and the GX9 (casual carry around) and maybe even the GM5 (minimal body size)
The Panasonic MFT cameras are perfect except for their AF in video. The Olympus cameras are perfect except for the uncertainties the future offers considering the takeover. Yes, full frame tends to offer some more shallow depth of field and low-light capability. But MFT has its own strong points, like: lower system prices, superior IBIS, and lower overall weight.
Panasonic need to get phase detect to the whole lineup and i believe we will soon see an upgraded G9 and GH6. I would like to see an upgraded GX9 with a flippy screen and Phase detect too. It would be the perfect camera for beginners , for street photography, for travel etc. Not much hope for Olympus or OM1 as they seem to have completely lost their way.
People have been knocking M4/3rs for a while now, yet it stays alive and keeps on trucking’. The format shines especially with telephoto and size. It’s not going anywhere.
Additional to my sony A7C, Ricoh GR3 and LX100M2 and Fuji X-E3 i just bougt a used GX9 and used G9 with the Leicas 12-60/2,8-4, the Leica 15/1,7 and Leica 9/1,7 and i am so happy :)
I’m someone coming into photography from a phone. Got there because I’m an illustrator the recently started to use the printer for pictures, and quickly noticed how poor the cellphone photos look out on paper. I got an used Olympus OM D EM5, and for a more than 10 year old camera, I’ve been loving it. I think I understand what you mean by fun, I wish there were knobs for everything in this thing, I’m starting to see too how much sameness gets infused into all iphone pictures. I’m now looking for lenses, it’s been a fun rabbithole to fall into 😂 but definitely don’t feel quality to be lacking, I’m not getting the sense so far that I would benefit from my camera being bigger.
My 21 year old son asked me to borrow my FUJICA SLR camera for an ice fishing trip to Vermont. He was so excited to learn how to use it and after a few tips from me he wanted to figure out the rest for himself. So there is future in the next smart phone generation. I disagree about the Pen F. The wheel and the gimmicks are all ok, the more things the better (Otherwise you have an X-T1-2-3-4-5... for fun & simple). The Pen F only needs weather-sealing, the GH6 sensor and eye detect to be the perfect camera for me. I recommend you buy one and put one of your old vintage lenses on it, Matti. Thanks for the video!
The future cameras, with improved sensors, will favor M43 and other small formats, specially for long focal lengths, because of their reduced sizes and weights. Thus, I fully disagree that Panasonic ought to focus on compact cameras, I expect them to continue developing their GH line
Photography is not about taking pictures anymore, it's all about gear and pixel peeping. All we see is gear reviews and side by side comparison images where we compare the sharpness of nostril hair. Or if you can get a photo in darkness with crazy high iso, or the focusing. I love my micro 43 gear, I don't mind that my g9 focus is not 1000 times quicker than my eyes, just wanna get out there and capture a moment, that I might post on social media 😂. Terkkuja täältä Australiasta Matti, aina mukava katsella sun videoita. Minua on alkanut viime aikoina ahdistaa koko valokuvaus ala. Ikävä niitä aikoja kun kuva oli se pää aihe eikä millä kameralla kuvattu. Hyvää pääsiäistä sine.
Hi Matti! I definitely agree with your points. I would like to add that m4:3 cameras basically had in the bag the small size factor for years. From an engineering stand point, that definitely made it easier. They should, in my opinion, continue to focus on the small size camera factor but definitely work more on price/materials and other qualities of life like battery life, and approach to customers that dont want to break the bank just to try out a hobby or step into the world of photography in general. Not to mention repairs/and ease of access to spare parts. Perhaps Xiaomi would be the best example for the ideology; Make wide range of bodies that all cover the necessary and up-to-standards functionality and software that will be always included in all modes, but if you want some high-end gimmick or feature that is not essential but pro user can take it as an opportunity to use it, go for it and buy it for more, that would include also the aesthetic part of the design. Backing to the small size factor, it's just a matter of time before the full frame cameras are down to pocked size and its standartized though the world and communities. So that factor will again lose that meaning which was the focus point and key word for M4:3s. Overall im not saying much here that isnt known already but they should definetely focus overall on the smaller price than full frame cameras. - Work on OS/software that will not get separated and inferior from model to model, - Ease of access to parts. - Making the materials and parts cheaper. include and be inclusive or work with 3rd party manufacturers for materials and parts. - Dont zig-zag from the role.
Thanks for your thoughtful insights in your video. I certainly agree there is a niche for micro four thirds, perhaps travel photography. It's strange, I positively love the jpegs from the Pen F and it's ability to process images in camera. I can't be bothered slaving away on the computer for time consuming edits. Also, the buttons and dials mean I don't have to delve into complex menus, a real positive in my humble opinion. I also like film or legacy cameras, they are real fun to operate, providing real artistic results. Then again, I am probably unique in my outlook. 😊
I think M43 systems companies need to be very particular when defining their markets and designing their wares. Want a fun, well-done, compact camera? Then, would you be happy with more jpeg vs raw controls? The Olympus Pen-f digital camera rocks my senses on some days! I spend way less time post processing and using SOOC jpegs more often. My travel kit has shrunk. I’m old, retired, wanting less-complicated tech etc; like my old rangefinder kit. Thus I was reminiscing about my old half-frame, fun days, when I spotted the new Olympus Pen-f digital, and pounced (slowly of course!). Always compromising, but no regrets on this one. Good clip, Matti! Thx!
Bravo Matti! I agree with everything you said. In particular I loved the shots of the LX100 II and would have liked more on compacts. Fuji's X100V is something Panasonic should be competing against. I don't like the LX100 retracting zoom and would prefer a high quality, fast fixed lens. The other big market MFT has is for oldies like me needing to drop down the weight of kit but still use long telephotos. I prefer FF but if I take my dog for a long walk I don't want to feel that I am going on an expedition.
M43 needs a new sensor, 20M is just not enough for today. It seems that APSC cameras are getting smaller with each new generation while M43 cameras remain as small as it has always been. The size advantage is diminishing too.
9:00 I fully agree, so many products feel as if the need to add in a "GIMMIK" to their product; to attract a larger customer spectrum; perhaps it does; but in turn just cheapens and eventually sunsets those very same companies; "more is not all the time better".
I want the camera users to make some fun content! So few do it. The majority of us forget that the camera's don't exist for their own sake. We're stuck and don't even start using them to make something! And it seems that the further the technical development advances, the less we use those advancements to a creative goal. Or any goal. Kudos to your exact prediction of the G9 m2, Matti!
The PEN-F is determinately a Marmite job. You either love it to bits or hate it with a passion. It is very much shoot for the jpeg. Its colour wheel is its main feature, you have to use it to appreciate it, as is its mono. If you hate it then the PEN-F is not for you. It does cry out for a mark two with new technology but keep it's form and function the same. But then add a more conventional Pen, with a viewfinder and tilt for Matti without the jpeg-led shooting. That is very much what I do with jpeg+raw. I may be old school, you would set the camera up for film, maybe I just carried over. When I set the camera up to "shoot for the jpeg" I get a better raw. When you set film up wrong, you got rubbish. I am lazy, I don't edit unless I have to. Cameras have got a lot, lot better since the noughties and can often process their own raw internally better than software can, if you "shoot for the jpeg". Menus have got a lot better. Breaking them down by subject was a good idea (but they take long ploughing) and now we have custom personal menus. But there is still a mountain of stuff to wade through. Imo putting the most common camera controls into a second customisable menu would be a good thing. By that I mean a complete copy of the settings menu that you can delete dross out of (and put back, mark hidden and unhide items). And please OM-Olympus, let me put the exposure meter change onto a function button, I change metering on the fly just so often.
Interesting thoughts, and thanks for sharing. I will say first that I think MFT *should* compete directly with FF cameras. The only so-called limitations of MFT vs FF are differences in in dynamic range and relative performance at "higher" ISOs. Those differences are only of concern under very limited circumstances which means that for 95% of photographers they will never see or know any difference. There are amazing new sensor technologies already on the market in some niche applications and once brought to cameras the practical difference between MFT and FF will be eliminated. We all have seen how technological progress closes the gap between different designs, and camera sensors are no different. However, the mechanical advantages of MFT allowing much smaller, lighter, and less expensive lenses will always remain because of the laws of physics.
I agree with the small and compact cameras. I've been waiting years for Panasonic to come out with a new compact micro 4/3 camera. It's been too long! I still use my GF6.
I agree with you that m4/3 must concentrate on small size cameras. Yes, maybe retain the GH just for the pure video purists, as they can still ask a bit more for it. The G9, I don't know. The problem with it is which market it hopes to serve. Many aps-c cameras are already small and have good lenses, especially with Sony's lineup where Sigma, Tamron, Samyang, etc. are putting in cheaper but still very good, if not even excellent lenses that aren't that big either vs m4/3 lenses. And that is also the problem of m4/3. 2 decades ago, Olympus touted that m4/3 or 4/3 earlier, would be smaller, lighter, and cheaper. But the last one is a big stopper for me. They aren't really any cheaper. And the Sigma's and Tamron's aren't really making cheaper lenses for them. So, you are stuck with Panasonic or Olympus making lenses. But the price is a turn-off. There's also limited pixel size of the sensor. Right now, I think m4/3 is on 24mp. But this is only to higher end models or new models. For all intents and purposes, they are stuck at 20mp. That is not good for landscape or birders/wildlife where you may need more for cropping. OF course, one advantage of m4/3 is that the longer focal lengths, especially fast ones, are really smaller and lighter vs even the aps-c models. But in some cases not so much anymore. and for wider or mid-range FL, m4/3 in general don't hold the monopoly in size or weight advantage that is leaps ahead. I can tolerate a bit of size if I get to use a larger sensor. What is m4/3 to do? I think, Olympus and Panasonic best utilize AI to exceed the limits of their smaller sensor size. If m4/3 can use the tech and AI in Insta360 Ace Pro, you can have a 48mp or more in a m4/3 sensor but without the noise! It can even be great in low light! Just take a look at what the Insta360 can do with a 8k video and 48mp photo mode using a 1/1.3" sensor size!!! And the images look stunning in 8k or 4k video 24 or 30fps, in low light! That is a 1/1.3" sensor!!! So, m4/3 must use this tech to break from from its limits. And I agree, m4/3 must focus on small handy cameras more. It must also improve video shooting. Like or not, video is the new "photography." Has been for many years now. Only strict hardcore photographers are in denial. They don't realize that the advnaces in photography comes basically now in the R&D done to solve video problems/limitations. So, it's not photography drving innovation. It's video. And since video is really nothing more than a series of photos strung together with sound, if you can make that string of photos perform well in terms of low light, DR, etc, then the photo part is peanuts! The 3rd solution is to lower or build lower priced lenses. That is really possible as 3rd party lens makers has shown. Maybe partner with them to do this. Have them build lenses for them. If sony can come up with a tiny 11 f1.8 that is optically superb, or samyang a 12mm f2.0 that is so good in aps-c for about U$300, why can't m4/3? The point of the 3rd solution is to not focus on an old and loyal market (not that you will be ditching them). The point is to recruit new ones from the younger generation. Fuji did that strategy. And it is good for them. They also parlayed their fuji colors and their own retro style cameras which younger generations seem to like. M4/3 is missing the boat here. Bottom line is, m4/3 cannot seek to keep pleasing the converted. They have to start getting new converts. You can't do that with expensive bodies, or lenses and accessories. Or large video centric only cameras that is beyond their reach in terms of price. Or bulky cameras. M4/3 must start wooing the younger generation. m4/3 must focus now more on video. m4/3 must start using AI to break the limits of m4/3 sensors. These are the things that I think what will save m4/3. Otherwise, as I see it, it will be a slow dying death. Not unless you are Pentax and just continue doing what they are doing and play in the DSLR world, oblivious of the trend and or profitability.
This is my 13th year in Panasonic micro four thirds. I have used them extensively for event photography and have never been disappointed. I recently bought a Lumix s5ii for better low light work and want to increase my video skills. The size of the body was comparable, but the lenses are way bigger and heavier. I love the flexibility of micro four thirds, I have a Gh5, G9, Gx85, GM2, and G100 with a host of lenses. I feel that the system needs to go in the direction of sports, wildlife and anywhere where the outdoor reach advantage of the micro four-thirds sensor size shines. With phase detect autofocus, these two areas come into better focus, (pun intended). As far a fun small camera, I love my GM 5 and use it for street photography, but the iPhone is and will be hard to compete with. Thank you for all your videos
I bought a well-used Olympus E-M1 a couple years ago to test the system and LOVE it's size, big enough grip, weather sealing, performance, and TILT SCREEN. I wish either Olympus or Panasonic would make a newer version for PHOTOGRAPHERS not videography. I DON'T want a fully articulated screen that swings out to the side. It seems a sizable percentage of photographers prefer a tilt screen, but NONE of the "best" M43 cameras anyone makes anymore have one. Guess I'll just keep shooting with my trusty 10+ year old companion.
It has become the best focus research. The more products use this new technology, the more the development costs are leveled off and reduced. There is no other excuse. They need to get serious about m4/3 as well. Thank you very much for your correct placements.
thank you. This is one of the most sensible talks I have heard in a long time on any camera system. I have had this love/hate relationship with m4/3 systems and had owned many of them. I still have one. To me, with what the sensor size is (and for me that is number one) and with comparison to the competition, especially Olympus, have priced themselves out of the market. I will not pay $2K+ for this format.
@@erikehrling4715 I certainly hope so. I paid nearly $1300 for Sony RX100MVII and have loved it ever since. M4/3 is certainly capable of doing it even better in that price range.
I use the gh6 with the Leica 10-25 (probably will get the 25-50 Leica as well eventually). I love it a lot, but would love to see a slightly more stripped down version of it. More compact, lighter, and better battery life. Maybe even with a more fun vintage design would be nice! Additionally, a mark 2 of the Leica 100-400 would also be awesome. Wildlife photo/video is where m43 really shines with how much more compact the lenses can be for insane zoom ranges. A mark 2 would also reinforce trust that Panasonic has not given up on m43!
A long time M43 shooter myself I would add this. Back in the days, when there we had to choose between 24X35mm film size, medium format film size (several), and large format film sizes, there was one to be considered king size; 6x7 medium format. The fact that 24x35mm film size became standard film size for the big audience was very suprising, because it is far too panoramic for most occasions, even for landscape photography. You had to crop a lot of disturbing bits of on the long sides. In the present time there is a lot of fuzz going on about sensor sizes, claiming M43 to be smaller then APS-C camera's and therefore inferior. But same as in the old days, most of the extra pixels in APS-C (having the same ratio as 24x35mm) are on the long side. When you consider 4:3 close to 6:7 (which I think you can), for most occasions M43 is still the sweet spot of photography. And I wholeheartely agree with you; M43 should focus on small camera's. Wheatherproof one's, which we will enjoy to take with us.
Every year MFT enthusiasts have to listen to "MFT IS DYING" or "MFT IS DEAD" and every year we get more lenses, better cameras, I'm so tired of this stupid thing happening every year. Thank you for staying enthusiastic about MFT!!
Indeed wait until pdaf comes to m43 and we will hear m43 is not dead 😅😅
olympus has fallen
Supposedly on the verge of death since its start lol! I still rock my Ep1
Cameras take several years of development. When rumours appear than it takes maybe a few years until the pipeline spits out all products in there to monetise them :)
"Four Thirds dying" was something I remember all the headlines wrote in their weekly photo papers in 2009, ridicules well technically they were correct, Four Thirds did die, and was replaced by MFT for those who do not know, m43 sensors are a version of the DSLR four thirds sensor, mirrorless four thirds as it was initially nicknamed.
I saw the same articles in 2010, 2012 and even in 2014, funny how MFT is still going although for photography I would say buying new all the time is redundant, cameras from 2010+ are all excellent even today, better in some ways even!
I used full frame for wildlife but now I use the OM1. This is the first camera I’ve owned that once setup- just gets out of your way and produces better photos than I could ever imagined. The results are way better than my skill level. This means I use it more often, builds my skill level and makes photography more fun.
Thanks for sharing.
Agreed Timothy. The OM-1 is amazing. It's a cropped sensor Z9.
Yep, the OM-1 is just outstanding
Love mine
The OM-1 is and amazing platform with a sensor that is at the very beginning of its development. I am so glad I bought mine.
Essentially, a 20MP M4/3 is enough for most photographers, especially with the majority of people content with using a mobile phone and are convinced it matches a pro DSLR. As a magazine designer, I know 20MP will cover a two page print spread. With a photo shot in good lighting, I would challenge anyone but the most extremely critical pixel peeper to be able to tell the difference between an M4/3. APS-C and 35mm sensor, especially in print. I shoot under terrible lighting in small music venues (mostly low quality RGB LEDs), which will challenge any sensor to produce clean, noise-free images at any ISO. I use the EM-1iii with f/1.8 primes for shooting the gigs and up to ISO 3200 I can barely tell the difference between them and images I made with a Canon FF DSLR and L series f/2.8 zoom lenses, or f/1.8 Canon primes. I know the bands and fans that see the photos can't tell the difference, and they don't care either. One band wanted to use one of my live shots taken with an EM-1ii and the Leica 9mm f/1.7 for the fold-out cover of their upcoming LP, so 12" x 24" at 300 DPI. For them it was the image that mattered and nothing else. It's lenses where M4/3 really shines. "Full frame" bodies may have come down in size but the lenses are still big, heavy and expensive, especially for fast glass. Imagine the size and price of a 35mm equivalent of the new Leica 9mm f/1.7. I've recently got back into shooting fungi, and I couldn't imagine trying to do it with the big and heavy Canon DSLR gear I was using. In fact, I'm not sure it would even been practically possible to get the shots I did with EM-1iii and the Zuiko 30mm Macro. To my way of thinking, it's the 35mm sensor that is irrelevant. M4/3 serves the same purpose as the 35mm film SLRs used to for documentary work such as news, sport, and wildlife: compact, portable cameras with sharp, fast lenses. Medium format digital cameras, like the Fujifilm GFX series, will then serve those who need high megapixels for advertising, portraits and other studio work. 35mm sensors are more akin to 645 film cameras: considered too small for medium format and too big for a "miniature" camera (as 35mm used to be called). Although I like using my Mamiya 645. Outside of the M4/3 community, the biggest problem M4/3 faces is from the negativity of "experts" on RUclips and other online places, who consider "full frame" the only real format, all bolstered by the marketing campaigns of the main camera makers. The trouble is everyone is still thinking in terms of 35mm film, and current sensors, lenses and digital technology bear little comparison to that format anymore, and fewer and fewer new photographers have even shot 35mm film. I hope M4/3 continues to exist and maybe even thrive.
Thanks so much for your extensive comment, many good points.
You strike too very good points, my fellow editor: paradoxically, the MFT serves now the similar serment / purpose as 35 mm film camera's used to in the beginning.
Also, nobody compares the resolution of 35 mm film results by and large to the digital sensor sizes now. I know positively that my oldest MFT cameras (GH2, GM1, G80) have far more resolution than my quality 35 mm film camera (Nikon FM) used to. But mechanically, we identify the 35mm negative film area size with the full frame digital sensor size, and look down at the MFT sensor size for being physically that much smaller...
The most important move for the future of MFT is for OM Digital and Panasonic to lower the barriers so both camera systems can natively talk to each others lenses with respect to CAF and Dual IBIS.
I just bought a Laowa 50mm Macro lens for my LUMIX G85 and it’s been fun to use and light enough to carry all day long. I also have a Panasonic Leica 100-400mm (200-800 equivalent) that I took to Kenya/Tanzania last year and it worked out really well. My point is, the M4/3 system is versatile and portable for many users.
My first EM5MK2 was my first serious camera. I didn't understand sensor size, etc but I am really thankful as till today its my fun system. Though I had a EOS 550D 3 years prior, I was stuck with the kit lens as I could not afford canon lens, but pricing for M43 lens were so much affordable, 45mm f1.8, 25mm f1.8 and I managed to build a library of lens.
I have owned the A7III in 2018 as its really a FF dream. But somehow I always lean back to M43, which is why I changed to GX9 from my old oly. It's much more fun system, though realistically Sony FF IQ is better than M43. M43 is just a more fun system, really feels like home.
Though I really hope M43 maintains the size of EM5 series or the GX series. As you mentioned, size is key. G9 is alot bigger which defeats the original intention of M43.
I am looking forward to GX10. Please Panasonic, don't give up on M43 rangefinder style.
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The only camera they need to bring back is the Pen F for travel and street...make it waterproof improve the ibis use the same sensor as the OM1 and also improve the focus and buffer and battery life ...they could add more art film modes like they already have ...we need a rangefinder style in the line up .
Amen.
I found it funny that he dismissed the Pen F as gimmicky, then asks for a fun camera. Honey, those "gimmicks" are great fun.
My sentiments exactly
Lol
Yes! Can’t agree more.
I definitely agree that Panasonic needs to continue to pursue the small size benefits of M43. I love my G9 and would love to see a Mark II version but I rarely use it due to the size. I would much rather see a newer and lighter GX85 but with a newer sensor and PDAF (not that it's really needed). I use my GX85 far more than my G95 and G9 due to how convenient it is.
I would love to see and willing to pay a premium for a GX7 or smaller body with all the bells and whistles of a recent em1 series cam. It makes me sad that most of the latest models are the bigger bodies.
Exactly! M43 used to have big advantage over FF with features like IBIS, faster burst rates, better video, cheaper and smaller. But now, the market has caught up. You can have FF cameras now that have all those features that used to be found only on M43. So, the only advantages the M43 has now, is cheaper lenses and smaller. But Panasonic is going for bigger! I mean, its ridiculous - You can buy a FF camera that is smaller than a panasonic M43 camera. What are they doing? The G9 ii is huge for a M43 camera. I own G95 and GX85 as well and thats a perfect combo. The G95 is about the right size, but no bigger than that.
@@ahojahojishAt least Panasonic is investing in the system. OM is just cleaning it's current stock. Panasonic is selling that because that's what people is buying.
I grew up with manual film cameras - TLRs, then 35mm rangefinders. The 1970s-1980s SLR cameras offered what I considered the best, easiest forms of control - aperture, shutter, match needle or similar metering. Today that’s still all I want in a camera. Most digital cameras today offer far more options than I care about, and it comes at the expense of easy use. I have a bunch of MFT cameras, but usually use the LUMIX LX100. I would like a longer built-in lens, though. If I were a professional I would place reliability high on my list. But today I am strictly amateur, and I find myself using my iPhone for many pictures - it’s there, it’s quick, it delivers. I think the future of photography lies in computational strategies. And smaller is better. MFT should have a bright future because it is already small, but all camera manufacturers need to take cell phone technology seriously.
No way real cameras will ever compete with phone cameras for size, convenience and availability. As pure amateur I didn’t get my XT5 to be a replacement for phone camera rather to experience photography as it used to be and this includes some learning curve.
Thanks Matti! I always look forward to watching you. I’m not a video guy. I think that a 20mp sensor and current features are good enough for a lifetime. But it’s a business and new cameras/features are needed to generate sales. As thousands of folks have said before .. it’s the lens size that is the portable advantage for M43. As I watched James Popsys say recently .. if you’re pixel peeping my photo, I’ve probably failed to tell an interesting story with my composition (or something like that 😉) .. Cheers!
As a photographer using all formats, I'm glad to have micro 4 3 cameras. I prefer smaller cameras with smaller lenses when I'm out and about. I'll usually grab a 4 3 camera or a small APS-C camera, and I can't say I ever felt that the camera limited me. However, when I'm traveling or in a social situation, I grab my phone instead of my camera. Why? Because of its connectivity.
I would like to see the ability to do easy edits and upload directly on a camera, similar to what I can do on my phone. The camera can use my phone for a cellular connection, but I don't want to upload selected photos to the phone and then go from there. I want to be able to do it all on the camera.
Lumix LX100II successor in PEN F style with updated tech a combination of both Panasonic and OM-System.
Lightweight street photography and vlog focused compact although probably extend the length to fit OM-1 batteries in it.
With grip accessories and mic inputs.
12-70mm 2.8 fixed lens would be the sweet spot IMO.
OM is leveraging the M43 strengths for wildlife shooters. I think that’s a great strategy. Not a OM user myself but I like where they’re going with this.
Thank you.
Both wildlife and compact lenses are good markets to expand into.
Not just Wildlife, but backcountry and adventure shooters as their focus.
That’s not a big market. A big mistake if true.
@@crsantin you’re joking right??
I think one of the things I'd add to your list of expectations for M43 is better -- much better -- collaboration between OMDS and Panasonic which could not only make for a more consistent and enjoyable experience as a result of cross-compatibility within the M43 platform and across brands, but also could strengthen the M43 platform as a significant & attractive competitor for photographers and enthusiasts alike. An example of this collaboration is for each to find ways to make the unique characteristics of their extensive lens collections functional on bodies from both brands. I understand that each company wants to maintain its distinctiveness and therefore its competitiveness, but their execution of that goal appears to be short-sighted in view of the shrinking photography market. If they work together, they may both benefit by maximizing the potential of the platform thereby attracting new customers to the platform rather than becoming an 'also ran'.
Spot on!
Thank you David, unfortunately my English is too poor to express myself. I also wish they would work together more closely. Pana, OMDS and we Users would win-win-win. Just imagine, there were only 2 max 3 diff Battery-Types for MFT, usable in Pana as well as OMDS. They missed a lot of opportunities. Hopefully they will do better in future.
Agreed. M43 should focus on small-stylish and fun to use cameras. Purpose built cameras are inherently more 'fun' to use than camera phones. M43 has an edge over phone camera quality already. I'm a fan of phones for their convenience, but images from them all have that flat, over-processed same look to them. M43 can provide a path for enthusiasts looking for that next step up in image quality, flexibility and fun.
I'm glad you brought up (briefly) the LX100ii [8:18] - I'd love to see a comparably fast standard zoom lens for M4/3 bodies. More than that, I'd love to see an update to the GM5.
I believe that your colleague Peter correctly stated that the strategy by OM systems and Panasonic that focuses on the delivering cameras that help people (and not just “photographers” or “ vloggers”) get and capture the most out of their experiences is crucial. This combined with easy creativity that empowers people to move beyond the comfort of a phone for capturing moments, events, and stories remains germane. And to your point, building in the “fun” of the experience. The future is bright. The format is wonderful, and MFT remains incredibly fun to use.
Thank you.
I do agree with you that MFT cameras are fun to use and carry around. I use MFT, APS-C and Full Frame cameras and MFT cameras certainly do not lack in terms of image quality, yet have the portability and ruggedness build in. Indeed, I've been using a Fuji XT-3 lately (long term loan from a good friend), and I've been disappointed with it's image quality vis-a-vis with my Oly E-M5ii. Sure the jpeg colours are very saturated, but whether that is good or bad is a personal opinion. Olympus and Nikon colour science are great too. As for image noise, the XT-3 is very close to that of the E-M5ii, surprisingly. Processed in DXO, the images look the same. My conclusion from all my cameras is that I simply do not care which camera I take on my photo walk, just whichever takes my fancy or appropriate. For example, I will not take my D750 with a zoom lens hiking but will take the E-M5ii instead.
Also agree to the fun part and part of the fun for me is it compactness. But in recent years Panasonic and Olympus went to bigger cameras and bigger PRO lenses and since 2014 there hasn't been any new pancake lens for example. But exactly this compactness advantage I would see as the major strength of the MFT system. And I believe going bigger and additionally not keeping up with technology (like focus, sensor resolution) but competitors closing in on image stabilization has faded the attractiveness of this system in recent years.
The PEN-F is now 7 years old and the last real compact camera with EVF. The OM-1 and G9 are basically the same size as fullframe cameras from Nikon and Sony and in case of OM-1 also cost as much which makes it very difficult to recommend these days. The smaller customer base for OMS and Pana will make it much more difficult to get enough funding for further development these days. And now with the statement from Sigma on 24. Feb 2023 that they see a downwards trend for MFT and will not develop anything for MFT anymore doesn't make it any better.
The days of MFT are numbered ... which will not stop us to having fun with it. But recommending MFT to new photographers is already quite a stretch these days ... especially when recommending a very compact solution you need to recommend 7 year old camera (which is difficult to get) and 10 year old lenses compared to the new, more advanced mirrorless solutions from Canon, Nikon, Sony which aren't that much bigger and neither more expensive.
@@stefanwagener Just because the latest lenses are focussed on the fulfilling the needs of pro users does not mean that we have stopped buying the small, compact and brilliantly sharp pancake and "midget" lenses from Olympus and Panasonic! Nothing touches the Olympus 45/1.8 for compactness and sharpness, period.
@@TL-xw6fh 1. 10 years ago the 45mm was one of the sharpest lenses you could get for MFT. But you also see its age now when you shoot in 80MP high res mode and compare it to the visibly sharper Panasonic 25-50mm f1.7 or to any modern full frame lenses like Nikon Z 40mm f/2. And that's the point, Nikon, Canon, Sony went the other direction and went more compact and are closing the gap in size more and more. Yes, MFT still has some advantage in the tele range, but they have given up on miniaturization. What's the point of getting a compact 45mm if you can't get the compact bodies like PEN-F anymore? Then the whole camera system isn't really much significant smaller than the modern full frame mirrorless solutions.
2. MFT manufacturer need new customers if they want to make enough profit from lenses like the 45mm. Most existing owners of MFT system who have the need for a lens like the 45mm probably have one already (in this case probably because it is also pretty cheap). And if they can't attract new customers (which seems to be the case these days) then one alternative would be to come up with new lenses for existing MFT camera owners. Well, they do create new lenses, but the question is if the big lenses are attractive for the existing owners .... which is probably not be the case for those who bought into this system for its compactness in first place.
So just saying, from the compactness of the 45mm and similar old lenses alone OMS and Panasonic will not make enough money for surviving. They need to create more attractiveness and a bigger customer base .. and going big wasn't probably helping a lot here.
Focusing on wildlife and macro is an excellent match for MFT, and there MFT has still its advantages in size, but unfortunately it is quite a niche market.
By not doing more on ultra small solutions and not keeping a competitive advantage in size and technology they will likely loose many "standard" photographers who will find similar compact, but more capable solutions in the more modern fullframe cameras from Nikon and alike. E.g. a fullframe Nikon Z5 with a pancake wide angle 26mm is now more compact than a OM-1 with the 12mm lens. And the Z5 combo would be actually much cheaper as well.
Great food for thought. Enjoyed watching you, Rob & the rest of the gang on his channel.
Thanks. Good to hear you enjoyed the live stream.
Always enjoyable to listen to. My views are now very much governed by my increasing age but I think mobile phones have started to knock the stuffing out of enthusiast photography. There will always be professional photographers and full frame seems safe for the future because of that. I have just sold my full frame and am now using mostly MFT and my little Ricoh GR3x. Were I in charge of Panasonic or OM systems my focus would be on creating a small fixed lens MFT to compete with the Fuji x100v and the ricoh gr3/gr3x. I think that what ricoh have achieved with an APSC sensor, MFT could easily compete with a pocketable 35 or 40mm f2(ish) len’s with ibis. Weather sealing would not be necessary for a pocketable camera. A competent macro capability would be a great asset too.
I agree! I rented a GRIIIx and I couldn’t help but think that M43 could do the same thing but at f/1.7 for same DOF but increased light gathering. A bit better IBIS also.
Yes. Rather than a rebooted Pen F, I'd like to see something like the M43 equivalent of the Olympus XA or Mju1. A competitor for the Ricoh GR.
Yes! M43 should be small, compact, with great tech. I want my GX10 please! 😁
Something important about m43 are the lenses and their low cost but great quality. I don't mean the huge pro lenses from Oly/OM, I mean the classic m43 lenses and the recent Leica 9mm. These are in the spirit of m43. The new OM 90mm is a great pro macro lens. But to me the Oly 60mm f2.8 macro is still the m43 macro king!
I am tempted by the competition. Fuji especially. Fuji has caught up to m43 in many areas. Now Pany and OM have to do more. The GX10 should be amazing! 😉
Thanks. The competition is tough and all cameras are so good.
@@mattisulanto Years ago m43 was well ahead of the competition but I agree, now, the others have caught up. Even Nikon has a nice range of mirror less models now. We need a wow-feature perhaps.
Yes, I would love to see a GX10. What makes m43 great is that the form factor allows high quality compact lenses on a compact body. It is perfect for traveling. You don't need to carry a backpack with gigantic full frame lenses through a New Zealand airport which limits your carry on luggage to 15 pounds. Micro four thirds provide outstanding quality with compact, light weight equipment.
My wishlist:
1. 24+ MP BSI stacked sensor (something like a hybrid of the GH6 and OM-1 sensor ;-)) in "pro-sumer" models and up.
2. Weather sealing in all lenses and bodies, not only in the "professional" line - amateurs and everyday people alike want to use their cameras in bad weather too.
3. Hand-held pixel-shift hi-res mode in "pro-sumer" models and up. But at least a pixel-shift hi-res mode (this is already present in E-M5 models and Pen F, so the hand-held mode would be nice, with GH6 quality for moving objects).
Matti -- my one and only MFT camera is the G85 -- I bought into it when I wanted to get into digital photography with that interchangeable-lens/SLR feel that I remembered from 35mm photography, but without breaking the budget and with video capabilities. I did a little research and definitely liked the smaller size of this camera compared to the full-frame and APS-C DSLR cameras at the time. I still really like it -- yes, the AF for video has let me down at times -- but for stills the AF is acceptable for me. And having a dozen native MFT lenses -- AF and manual focus -- along with adapters to use vintage, manual lenses -- has allowed me a tremendous amount of creativity for both stills and video. The image quality from the 16MP sensor, without stretching the ISO capability, is great for video and stills. I have made a number of precious family and personal-aesthetic photos to get prints (up to 11x14) which are very sharp and (in my humble view) look as good as a larger-sensor camera. But yes -- the GH series and the G9 "grew" the bodies of the cameras in order to handle the enhanced electronics and heat required for the higher MP and better image processing. I would still lean to the G85 body size in that "SLR"-styled package. And those "compact" Lumix cameras with the MFT mount (GX series) look very appealing to someone looking for an even more compact body, but with most of the same capabilities, and the same lens options -- just not my style. So it does seem like Panasonic and OM-whoever (!) would be cutting out a specific customer base by dropping that style of camera. Thank you for your thoughts!
M4/3s strongest selling point is the smaller and lighter lenses. Overall, the M4/3s is easier to carry around. This makes it ideal for the amateur photographer, bloggers, and some professional applications. These strong points is where the marketing for M4/3s needs to do.
I agree with this, and not with Sultanoblog's statement that only the sensor is cheaper with MFT - The MFT lenses are also cheaper - and smaller, and this is a very big deal - not just the convenience, but there are often times when you do not want to stand out in the crowd when taking pictures. And the smaller sensor has less mass - making for better IBIS.
At the (UK) photography show, I suggested to OMDS that they should focus less on frequent camera releases and more providing an open platform - not just allowing, but actively supporting, hackers and nerds who can provide specialist hardware and software features which OMDS themselves could never justify economically. A lot of small niches make for a bigger market.
Also, old (hand-me-down or second hand) cameras are how most people start, and brand loyalty is strong in photography because of how much you learn about your chosen family. Supporting "obsolete" kit is a cheap way to buy market share for people who might remain with you for 40 or 50 years - longer than most marriages!
The fact that I can still use my old 4/3 lenses on my M1 Mk2 is very important to me - they represent an investment 10x greater than the M1 Mk2, and can sometimes do things the new lenses can't (designed for the days of ISO400, they have big apertures - important in museums and churches). Oly probably bought a lot of customers by supporting their older products. OMDS need to public commit and actively promote that they have the same commitment to 4/3 in top of the range models as one of their USPs - it is a good way to get people like me to go for the top model and not mid-range. This time of year, I bring out the old E510 for its great colours too!
As I said before - m4/3 missed a great opportunity. Several years back, they had all the tools to overtake the vlogging market. But the perfect cameras for that, like E-M10 series by Olympus and the GX series by Panasonic, always lacked something - rotating screen, microphone jack, phase-detect AF, good codecs and simplified menus. All they needed was a lens like the new 9mm and some visionary could have made them the leading platform, with smaller size, silent lenses, IBIS and what-you see-is-what-you-get exposure. But now? Now the full frame cameras have all that. Even the size shrunk to comparable dimensions.
I recently got my hands on a GM5 and I think it represents such a unique proposition. Top quality features and controls in a tiny package, with great IQ and access to a huge catalogue of lenses. With the right small prime it's genuinely coat pocketable, the 20mm 1.7 for example.
If they could revive the GM line they might have quite a few takers; with the compact camera craze that's going on at the moment, a new GM 1 and 5 would clean up. Put a modern sensor in there, more robust control dial and be done with it. Stretch goal, fit IBIS! But I'd rather keep the size down than have IBIS, there are other cameras with that
I love my GM5. With the tiny 12-32mm zoom it's not bigger than a compact camera, but I can use all my MFT lenses on it. And it even has a reasonable EVF! It's such a convenient little thing.
Thank you for expanding your thoughts from RUclips conversation a few weeks back. I’ve become a devotee of MFT and Panasonic (originally Olympus). I’m excited for what is coming from Panasonic. Again, thanks for sharing more of your thoughts.
In the end, it's all about the glass. Recently I went full frame with the Panasonic S5 for my own camera system, there is so much glass out there. M43 the same. I think M43 is great for run and gun type stuff, that requires more depth of field. Full frame allows one to isolate on your subject more, and is a little better in low light. My solution at work was to have both M43 and Full frame Panasonic. Not everyone has the ability to that I know, but I think it's a great combo, and nobody has ever complained about the M43 shots. Thanks for another excellent video! Really got me thinking.
Thanks. I agree, if you can afford it get both FF and MFT.
I agree on the G9 II. 24 mega pixels and phase detect autofocus.
My idea is make an x100v version in M43. Fixed 17mm f1.4 lens with electronic shutter.
A BSI and stacked 20mp sensor no alissing filter. IBIS. No EVF but a fully articulating screen
I think your thoughts are spot on. An updated Lumix DMC-GM5 with the 20mp BSI stacked sensor and the associated focusing improvements etc together with updated versions of lenses like the Olympus 12mm F2 would be a dream camera I fear will never exist.
A LUMIX / Leica collaboration that delivers CL or Pen-F (digital models) sizing with M11 Rangefinder functionality and a PIXII mentality… for stills photographers. Architect a tight interface with our mobile phones for video when that’s desired.. Dreaming again!
Totaly agree with you. The history and identity of the micro 4/3 is above all a small, slight, versatile and affordable camera and lenses. No one will start shooting with a 90mm macro at $1,500... Nothing prevents them from also developing a "niche and rich" strategy, but it would be a shame to lock themselves into it.
I shoot mainly wildlife. I spent two weeks in the Falkland Islands using my Canon gear aswell as the G9 - which i shot with the 200mm prime lens. The images taken on the G9 are stunning, and I present my work to camera clubs around the UK. I own the Canon R5 and big primes - I would dearly love to see a Lumix G9 Mk2! An improved AF essential along with better low light performance.
Having a pro level camera like the OM-1 that allows people to use the compact 4/3rds lenses made by Olympus and others is certainly a major plus for the 4/3 system in general. The new OM-5 is a fine camera for those of us who prefer a smaller form factor, just as the original OM-1 appealed to us back in the 70's (compared to the Nikon, Pentax, and Canon film cameras). Micro 4/3rds cameras still have a price advantage for what they offer over much of the competition.
Just bought an OM-5 this summer and I couldn't agree more! It does everything I need it to in a small form factor, and with good glass, it takes amazing pictures. The weather sealing is a must, and very good to have.
I switched from a full-frame Nikon to an OM-1, not only for the lighter camera body but also for the lighter, smaller lenses. I had a Nikon Zoom out to 400mm that I almost never used because it was too large to carry. Now I have a 40-150 mm zoom with a 1.4 teleconverter that is equivalent to to full-frame 56-420. It is light enough and small enough that I do use it--a lot. I was impressed by the selection of high-quality lenses that OM systems has available. I went from a 24 mp sensor to a 20 mp sensor, and from lens stabilization to in-body. To my surprise my average picture was sharper. Better IBIS more than made up for the slight drop in pixels.
As evidenced by the recent 90mm macro launch, I feel like OM System is capitalizing on the edge they already have in the market with wildlife (especially macro) photography, for which a smaller form-factor is often the most desirable. Someday, maybe MFT will be synonymous with nature photography. I think we’re gonna see the macro genre continue to make big strides over the next decade. A lot of people are into this.
M43 and nature absolutely makes sense.
Interesting, but I don't understand why the size and weight difference between MFT and full frame are significant for wildlife or macro. I can understand that people don't want to log that 600mm prime up mountains, but those camera/lens combos can produce outstanding images. For macro, most folks are using a heavy tripod and not wandering too far, so why does a small weight difference matter? Really just want to understand this perspective.
@@kevins8575 Certainly, Micro 4/3 would not be my first choice if I were a landscape photographer. Actually, it would probably be my last-and medium format would be #1 (if I could afford it)! But since when are macro/wildlife photographers lugging around heavy tripods?-not with the 5-axis image stabilization on OM System. All the macro shooters I follow shoot handheld, just with that cool Cygnus diffuser that I haven’t yet been able to get my hands on.
I received my 3rd MFT body this past week: an OM-1. At the moment I only have Panny glass. I sold my Sony 200-600 to offset the purchase of the OM-1. I have a Sony FF 7R3 and an older a65 ASP-C body. Assuming I add the M.Zuiko 90mm macro, I'll likely offload the a65 (which I use for macro only). I think Panny/Lumix is ignoring MFT still shooters - they seem to have focused on FF which is OK but I'm not sure how that will work out for them in the long run. I realize that the OM-1 was a gamble but it seems to be the top dog these days in MFT. I'm hoping that the OM-1 with the Panny 100-400 will solve my bird shooting. Thanks for your continuing engagement on the MFT universe! Maybe someday we'll both be in the same place at the same time! Cheers - Gary
Your opinion is a high valuable one! It starts from your experience and thats fantastic! Very nice and interesting video.
Thank you very much!
Look at film cameras, they only have very basic functions, but are fun to use. I would love a "back-to-basics" M4/3 camera, without video, etc. This might even make these cameras cheaper to purchase, but more fun to use. I only use basic functions on my Olympus E-M5 mark ii camera, 90% of the functions are wasted on a user like me. I think that the wheel may turn full-circle, hopefully soon!
Yes! Fun! That's exactly why I love the MFT! I've just gotten started with a Lumix GX85 and an Olympus lens 40mm-150mm. Takes great pictures and is a joy to hold and walk with for hours. No more lugging around a Canon DSLR with a 100mm-400mm lens. Taking wildlife shots is much easier with the MFT format. Love it. I use a weathered leather purse as a camera bag, no more carrying a "steal me" advert, that attracts thieves. Small and it takes great pictures. At lunch with friends, I put the camera on the table and take pictures of my friends; much less intrusive than the DSLR. The question is how come I didn't know about this years ago? And what lens to buy next? Peace.
excellent review matte, I started my micro 4/3 experience in 2013, 20 years ago with the GX7. I was impressed with this fun factor camera and have stayed with panasonic over these many years. I currently shoot with the full frame Panasonic S5 and the step up to full-frame is hugely impressive. but my daily carry, go everywhere camera is a gx9 with the panasonic leica 15mm f1.7 lens. the connection between panasonic and leica has also been an infuence in my choosing to stay with the panasonic brand. zen billings in canada.
Thank you. The GX9 is really good still as an every day camera.
Whomever comes out with a MFT camera that does computational photography and higher megapixel count could dominate the market. Look at the Fuji X-T5 VS the Panasonic S5 II the higher megapixel count loses its clarity from the smaller sensor to a degree but also lenses need to be better clarity to handle the higher megapixel count. MFT is challenging to go higher with pixel density like APSC is so it makes sense to go with computational algorithms so that it can produce a 40MP image that is clear without having to use a $1500 lens to get that clarity out of the sensor.
My OM-1 MIV is a fantastically fun camera-I’ve owned it for 6 months and am still exploring all the crazy shot-setups I can get and still making comparisons with my Mamiya, Pentax and Voightlander full-frame cameras. Right now, I wouldn’t give up my Om1-Mk4 4/3 for anything. I think it’s what I want to call my personal bug-out pocket rocket 🤣😂👍😃
Man M4/3 is perfect for street photography. I wish OM Systems revamps the Pen or make a fixed lens system that can rival the Fujifilm X100 series. Would definitely bring some people over.
Replacements for the G9, GH6, GX9, G90 and G100 with the new autofocus technology woulb be a dream lineup. A GX9+ with 'Street' features like the Ricoh GR's could get a real cult following.
I just got an LUMIX GX9 and I think this camera is perfect for me. You have fun, decent body, not big but not small enough as well.
I think they should focus as well on the entry market, without loosing the quality factor because not everyone have like £700 to start in this hobby and being able to start with something like the GX880 is awesome.
Exactly my reasons to get the Panasonic Lumix GX9 and I love it.
Another informative video, Matti! Great stuff. :)
Glad you liked it!
This is a lovely overview, thank you! I used to shoot with a Panasonic GX1, but then got lured into the Fujifilm ecosystem, by X-E2 and its viewfinder and controls.
Good points Peter. I think it will be a mistake if m4/3 tries to go head-to-head against the bigger formats with bigger cameras. I cannot believe how huge the GH and G cameras are! They've dropped very good small cameras like the GM series and the PEN F ostensibly because they claim it didn't sell well enough, yet all us enthusiasts keep clamouring for such cameras. To me, my E-M5 Mk III + grip + 12-100 is about as big as I'd want to take on a trip. I can't imagine traveling with a FF kit or even APS-C. That's what they have to lean into.
a7r2, Lumix G9, and most recently a Olympus E-PL-1 owner here. Sony sets a high benchmark for the other two to aspire to. Recently I have discovered the upscale feature in raw processing, and the significant increase in resultant image quality that the M4/3 raw file can enjoy. Now the 12 year old and the 5 year old M4/3's cameras seem a lot closer to the Sony. I print A3+ with the Canon Pro 100, and the results are very close!
How do you upscale Lumix raw files?
@@hoffen In Raw Therapie 5.8 and probably all the subscription raw processing software there is a box that states the number of pixels in the vertical and the horizontal axies. Just below that it has a enable upscaling box which you can type in the number of pixels that you want. I usually go for about 8000 in the horizontal and 7000 in the vertical. (Up from say 5184x3888). It makes the correct proportions automaticly. There are adjustable settings for sharpening added during this process. When the image is processed and saved to a folder, it has the much larger overall size. When this bigger file is sent to the printer (Canon pro 100 in my case) the printer software sizes it to the final print size. There was a learning curve that I had to overcome, but the resulting print looks a lot sharper to my eye!
@@HamiltonSRink Thanks! Definitely something I will be looking into 👌
I think your last point is the most relevant one. MFT has a problem of justifying its prices when a bunch of affordable APS-C and Fullframe cameras and lenses have come out. When only the sensor is cheaper in manufacturing, there is not a lot of leeway to offer MFT at reasonable prices and still make a profit. Anyway, I still enjoy using my Lumix G9 very much and will continue to do so.
Thanks. The G9 is enjoyable, even in 2023.
Thanks for a great video. Wish there would be a GX10 with PD!
I still use both the Olympus OMD Em-5 and Epl- 5 and both work flawlessly/ I nstarted out purchasing the Olympus Epl-1 which still works and was gifted to a guy in the Philippines, Then I attached a manual lens to help force me to rely on myself to learn how to use the camera and its dials and easy menu to set up for specific types of photography/ these Olympus cameras seem to last forever.
I recently bought a Lumix G100 to use as a ultralight and super capable travel camera. Paired with the Lumix 9mm f1.7, it's a joy! Really enjoying it. For more serious work, I used my G9 (airshows) and S5ii for portraits and anything else with more intention.
G9 vs. S5II, is there really much of a difference. I wonder if the new 26mp sensor in a G9II would narrow the gap. The PDAF is irrelevant for photography…
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Hello Matti. I shoot photos and videos. I am mostly an enthusiast/hobbyist, but do some paid gigs. I've been using MFT since I switched a few years ago from a Nikon APSC DSLR when someone suggested that I get into 4K via a Panasonic G7. After research, I opted for the G85. I love the form factor, ease of use, and photo & video output. Yes, the Panasonic autofocus in video leaves a lot to be desired, but if you plan accordingly it is not a major problem. And, manual focus is not difficult. I am not interested in the G6 simply because of the size form factor. I have toyed with the idea of a used G9 or GH5 (I mostly buy used gear) but have held off. Currently, I use a G95 & G85 for my A & B video cam (as well as any event photography I may do.) The GX85, usually with the 20mm f1.7 lens, is my everyday carry. I am content with this setup.
I know the 35mm sensor is "better" - but for what I do, MFT is good enough for me. No one asks what sensor format I'm using. Are the photos/videos I shoot exposed correctly and in focus the important thing. I am not a Panasonic fanboy, but I do like their cameras. And for someone on a limited fixed budget, they are a great fit. Also, there is a great collection of lenses to choose from.
As for the future, I do not think MFT is dying out any time soon. But Panasonic and OM Systems do need to focus more on giving the everyday shooter some needed upgrades. Not everyone wants or needs a $2000 flagship camera.
Interestingly enough, after switching formats for 4K video, I still shoot mostly 1080p.
Thanks for all of your videos, Matti. I genuinely enjoy them. Cheers. Peace.
The whole industry is heading down.
Hi, I appreciate your ideas and suggestions. You have an excellent perspective on the M4/3rds systems and photography in general. I agree with your forward looking approach and thoughtful ideas. Please keep your ideas and suggestions on RUclips coming. 🤩👍😎📷👌
Awesome, thank you!
Simple solution- adopt Ai and cater to vloggers, allow NVME drives for pro level video/stills, seamless WiFi/Bluetooth integration for instant social media posting, make 1000mm equiv lens to attract sports/wildlife shooters and you'd have a die-hard following the FF crowd won't be able to compete with.
As you mentioned, the biggest challenge is convincing the younger smartphone photographers (SPs) the value of carrying around an extra device that essentially does the same as their smartphone. The secondary challenge is the speed that software can be developed for SPs vs. hardware upgrades (and costs) found in dedicated cameras. What matters most is instant turnaround. No one will ever appreciate (or spend money on a) dslr or mirrorless camera if they can't instantly share it as quickly as a smartphone can. Perhaps a smartcamera with the ability to make phone calls, surf the web, display maps, and instantly post photos to social media is the answer ... oops, we already have that.
Thanks for sharing. I think that phone camera users may also want something different, very traditional like a film camera. But, I guess most want exactly what you say.
I have tried Sony full frame recently, and before that, Sony APSC. Nothing compares to the landscape photos from the LUMIX G100. The deeper depth of field is great, and it is a fun camera to take anywhere b
I have been so more consistent, attentive, and deeper about learning more photography by both studying and taking pictures since I got my gx9 . I m not going back to my Nikon 7000 that was actually my first camera. As you see, I don’t have too many miles in photography, but I am enjoying what I have right now even with its flaws. I have achieved so many better results than before, and I am enjoying the journey
Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk II and Panasonic 100-400mm is all I need for bird photography The 12-40 does the job for everything else. And I only purchased them in November 2021 because they were on clearance at an almost giveaway price. Prior to that I had used an Olympus E-410 and the kit lenses from 2007-2021. Hoping to get 14 years use out of the current Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mk II and Panasonic 100-400mm setup. I just can't see myself getting any benefit from changing gear - I find shooting pics every day and studying the habits of the birds I photo far more beneficial.
benefits of m43 are simple: BEST IBIS & small lens. There is no replacement on both.
IBIS of small GX9 is better than ALL FF & APSC cam out there, bar none. GH6 and OM1 are class above.
The super zoom 14-140 and longer zoom, say 50-200 or 70-300, are far more smaller than anything out there.
m43 is great for Vlog, travel, wildlife, sport and anything that make senses.
And Vlog (best IBIS in small set up) now is 10m market.
Travel (small wide to long zoom) is 1b market.
I fully agree, but lenses last a long time, so after a certain period of time, they do no more provide revenues to the manufacturer so for survival, one must find another way to reopen or open a new market. The Lumix/OMDS body are already so good for average user that there is little justification to upgrade (i am still using my em1mk2 from 2017 and i am still amazed with the output).
Spot on!
Very good comments. As a former Pen F user (sadly it reached its lifespan), you definitely missed the point of the camera. The jpeg features make it fun, just like the recipes on Fujifilm attract a large following. It’s the level of customization and creativity that you can do in the camera that makes it fun to use, and if you want raw to post-process you can have it too. I now have a GX85, EM-1.3, and Fuji XE2S. All are great, but none are as fun as the Pen F. Also note that superfine jpegs are very large, so you have more flexibility in editing them, if desired, and they also print to large sizes without problems. Without the jpeg dial and customization in a hoped-for future Pen F, I wouldn’t buy it because the results would not be different enough from my EM1. I think many others would be in the same boat.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Pen F. I know that many users like those jpeg features and I'm happy for them, but to me they do not add fun🙂
I think one of the biggest things either M43 company can benefit from is better marketing. I think OMDS and Panasonic both make a good camera that competes quite well with most of the offerings from Canon, Nikon, and Sony in terms of sheer picture quality.
Leveraging their strengths and advertising a system that is easy to use but incredibly high quality, that you can fit in a pocket and take anywhere but outperform your cell phone is how they can improve.
Better mobile connectivity would be great too, since so many people are on cell phones now instead of computers. I personally would like to see a far improved JPEG system similar to Fuji's film simulations but even more customizable. I don't mind editing photos, but if I could get the exact look I want in camera, drop it on to my phone and post it wherever, I'd be much more likely to use that over my cell phone for social media type stuff, or even work. A few simple video centric features like the phase detect auto focus would be nice as well, and proper connections such as ensuring the camera has a mic jack - my only complaint about the GX85. 10bit Long-GOP 4k 60fps/1080p 120fps with LOG would be more than sufficient for most creators too.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
My first "non-toy" camera was a Minolta Dynax 7000i, one of the first to have reasonable auto-focus, back in the late 1980s. It was slightly smaller than my OMD-1/MkII, an quite a bit lighter, IIRC.
I thought I had "upgraded" when I first took the digital plunge, with a Canon EOS 10D, 40D and 7D, partnered with Canon's L-Series glass: 16-35/2.8, 24-70/2-8, 70-200/2/8 and 100-400/4.5-5.6... but you know what? The results became much more variable. I still got some stunning shots, but they became rarer. After I sold my 7D I discovered why - it didn't have the battery power to drive the big L glass properly...
I made a complete switch and did a toe-in-the-water trial with M43 and a Panasonic DMC-GX1. What a revelation!!! Small, light, epic picture quality. What's not to like? I upgraded to an EM-5, then an EM-1 and EM-1 MkII... If you're familiar with the Canokin hegemony, then M43 would come as a complete revelation... you'll find yourself wondering why on earth you spend money on a physiotherapist or chiropractor from lugging heavy kit around when you can hand-hold all day with a fundamentally better M43 and not get tired.
Absolutely no need to go with bigger or heavier kit... unless you plan to put your images on the sides of buildings. And if you want to do that, you could go and spend a fortune on a Hasselblad digital (or maybe an A7RV).
Brand loyalty appears to be very strong in the prosumer camera marketplace... but in my very limited experience, I've had a 100% success rate in converting my Canikon friends to M43.
Would love to see a new GX camera from panasonic since the small compact form is where M43 shines the most. Originally looked forward to OM-5 alas it was a dud, it was basically a rehashed EM-5 III that was so identical that OM system didnt even bother to upgrade the port from micro USB to Type C, let alone use new sensor or something modern.
Thanks. A new GX would be nice.
GX1 body. No built in EVF - optional ones are better and the camera gets cheaper...
A GX85 style body with phase detect AF, weather sealing, and a weather-sealed pancake prime would be an instant buy. Something to compete with the GRIII or X-100V, but with interchangeable lenses. Maybe in “cool” colors.
Great video, thanks Matti.
Thanks!
My background in the 1980's was Mamiya ZE2 (miniature) and Mamiya RB67 Pro S (extended medium format using a Gossen Lunasix III light meter) so having controls to play with is something that I am comfortable with. Now, I have a Leica D-Lux 7 M43 camera and you have all of the controls but, if you press the 'A' button, you can just point and shoot if you want to (although you can use the "A" button in a form that doesn't completely take over everything if you don't want it to). I love it. The x 2 focal length factor makes it all weigh only an eighth of a theoretical full frame (miniature ... 24x36mm) equivalent lens and macro at around 25mm from the end of the lens and a f/1.7 lens is great. A 3x optical zoom is excellent. I just put it in my pocket and take it everywhere with me. The quality of the images is good enough for Alamy and you have full control from RAW to Jpeg in camera if you want (I shoot in RAW and then pick what I want and process that in camera - using the FOTOS app to xfer it to my phone and then off to wherever via wireless). Then there is enrolled facial recognition for AF (so, if you are in a crowd, it will always make your face in focus) and so on.
M43 has a lot going for it and with such excellent results, it seems to have a good future. Software updates for the camera mean that you can have the latest. I'm waiting for converging vertical lines correction like there is on the SL2 and SL2-S in an update.
Both the GH6 and OM1 are amazing cameras - but VERY expensive, VERY complex, VERY specialized.
I used and own A LOT of Micro Four Thirds cameras. The most fun to use for me is still the Pen F.
Four Thirds and Micro Four Thirds used to be the only camera systems I used when shooting digital. I added a bunch of other formats to the mix, e.g. Ricoh GRIII and GRIIIx, a Leica M10, Canon EOS full frame (analog and digital). If there was a new Pen F (updated, better viewfinder refresh rate/resolution, better body construction,faster processor, more premium build etc.), I would buy that for sure. I would also like to see an update to the GX9.
The OM System conundrum with losing the Olympus brand name for marketing their cameras is a real shame.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I think there is room for upgrades of both the G9 (flagship stills oriented body) and the GX9 (casual carry around) and maybe even the GM5 (minimal body size)
The Panasonic MFT cameras are perfect except for their AF in video. The Olympus cameras are perfect except for the uncertainties the future offers considering the takeover. Yes, full frame tends to offer some more shallow depth of field and low-light capability. But MFT has its own strong points, like: lower system prices, superior IBIS, and lower overall weight.
Panasonic need to get phase detect to the whole lineup and i believe we will soon see an upgraded G9 and GH6. I would like to see an upgraded GX9 with a flippy screen and Phase detect too. It would be the perfect camera for beginners , for street photography, for travel etc. Not much hope for Olympus or OM1 as they seem to have completely lost their way.
For street Fuji is the king.
OM-1 is the best m43 selling today…
Great summary
People have been knocking M4/3rs for a while now, yet it stays alive and keeps on trucking’. The format shines especially with telephoto and size. It’s not going anywhere.
Additional to my sony A7C, Ricoh GR3 and LX100M2 and Fuji X-E3 i just bougt a used GX9 and used G9 with the Leicas 12-60/2,8-4, the Leica 15/1,7 and Leica 9/1,7 and i am so happy :)
I’m someone coming into photography from a phone. Got there because I’m an illustrator the recently started to use the printer for pictures, and quickly noticed how poor the cellphone photos look out on paper. I got an used Olympus OM D EM5, and for a more than 10 year old camera, I’ve been loving it. I think I understand what you mean by fun, I wish there were knobs for everything in this thing, I’m starting to see too how much sameness gets infused into all iphone pictures. I’m now looking for lenses, it’s been a fun rabbithole to fall into 😂 but definitely don’t feel quality to be lacking, I’m not getting the sense so far that I would benefit from my camera being bigger.
My 21 year old son asked me to borrow my FUJICA SLR camera for an ice fishing trip to Vermont. He was so excited to learn how to use it and after a few tips from me he wanted to figure out the rest for himself. So there is future in the next smart phone generation. I disagree about the Pen F. The wheel and the gimmicks are all ok, the more things the better (Otherwise you have an X-T1-2-3-4-5... for fun & simple). The Pen F only needs weather-sealing, the GH6 sensor and eye detect to be the perfect camera for me. I recommend you buy one and put one of your old vintage lenses on it, Matti. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing your son's perspective to cameras😀
The future cameras, with improved sensors, will favor M43 and other small formats, specially for long focal lengths, because of their reduced sizes and weights. Thus, I fully disagree that Panasonic ought to focus on compact cameras, I expect them to continue developing their GH line
Photography is not about taking pictures anymore, it's all about gear and pixel peeping. All we see is gear reviews and side by side comparison images where we compare the sharpness of nostril hair. Or if you can get a photo in darkness with crazy high iso, or the focusing. I love my micro 43 gear, I don't mind that my g9 focus is not 1000 times quicker than my eyes, just wanna get out there and capture a moment, that I might post on social media 😂. Terkkuja täältä Australiasta Matti, aina mukava katsella sun videoita. Minua on alkanut viime aikoina ahdistaa koko valokuvaus ala. Ikävä niitä aikoja kun kuva oli se pää aihe eikä millä kameralla kuvattu. Hyvää pääsiäistä sine.
Valokuvaus ei kiinnosta ketään, se on surullista. Kaikki tosiaan pyörii kameroiden ympärillä. Kiitos kommentista ja pääsiäistä sinne myös.
Hi Matti!
I definitely agree with your points. I would like to add that m4:3 cameras basically had in the bag the small size factor for years. From an engineering stand point, that definitely made it easier.
They should, in my opinion, continue to focus on the small size camera factor but definitely work more on price/materials and other qualities of life like battery life, and approach to customers that dont want to break the bank just to try out a hobby or step into the world of photography in general.
Not to mention repairs/and ease of access to spare parts.
Perhaps Xiaomi would be the best example for the ideology;
Make wide range of bodies that all cover the necessary and up-to-standards functionality and software that will be always included in all modes, but if you want some high-end gimmick or feature that is not essential but pro user can take it as an opportunity to use it, go for it and buy it for more, that would include also the aesthetic part of the design.
Backing to the small size factor, it's just a matter of time before the full frame cameras are down to pocked size and its standartized though the world and communities.
So that factor will again lose that meaning which was the focus point and key word for M4:3s.
Overall im not saying much here that isnt known already but they should definetely focus overall on the smaller price than full frame cameras.
- Work on OS/software that will not get separated and inferior from model to model,
- Ease of access to parts.
- Making the materials and parts cheaper. include and be inclusive or work with 3rd party manufacturers for materials and parts.
- Dont zig-zag from the role.
Thanks for your thoughtful insights in your video. I certainly agree there is a niche for micro four thirds, perhaps travel photography.
It's strange, I positively love the jpegs from the Pen F and it's ability to process images in camera. I can't be bothered slaving away on the computer for time consuming edits. Also, the buttons and dials mean I don't have to delve into complex menus, a real positive in my humble opinion. I also like film or legacy cameras, they are real fun to operate, providing real artistic results. Then again, I am probably unique in my outlook. 😊
Instead of saying"MFT is dead" it's more like "MFT is like Jesus, risen from death to live on forever!" Happy Easter!
I think M43 systems companies need to be very particular when defining their markets and designing their wares. Want a fun, well-done, compact camera? Then, would you be happy with more jpeg vs raw controls? The Olympus Pen-f digital camera rocks my senses on some days! I spend way less time post processing and using SOOC jpegs more often. My travel kit has shrunk. I’m old, retired, wanting less-complicated tech etc; like my old rangefinder kit. Thus I was reminiscing about my old half-frame, fun days, when I spotted the new Olympus Pen-f digital, and pounced (slowly of course!). Always compromising, but no regrets on this one. Good clip, Matti! Thx!
Bravo Matti! I agree with everything you said. In particular I loved the shots of the LX100 II and would have liked more on compacts. Fuji's X100V is something Panasonic should be competing against. I don't like the LX100 retracting zoom and would prefer a high quality, fast fixed lens. The other big market MFT has is for oldies like me needing to drop down the weight of kit but still use long telephotos. I prefer FF but if I take my dog for a long walk I don't want to feel that I am going on an expedition.
Thanks. I'd also like another LX100 with a fixed prime lens.
M43 needs a new sensor, 20M is just not enough for today. It seems that APSC cameras are getting smaller with each new generation while M43 cameras remain as small as it has always been. The size advantage is diminishing too.
9:00 I fully agree, so many products feel as if the need to add in a "GIMMIK" to their product; to attract a larger customer spectrum; perhaps it does; but in turn just cheapens and eventually sunsets those very same companies; "more is not all the time better".
All I really want is a GX9 with phase detection and Mic input = perfection
You are right !!!
Exactly!
I want the camera users to make some fun content! So few do it. The majority of us forget that the camera's don't exist for their own sake. We're stuck and don't even start using them to make something! And it seems that the further the technical development advances, the less we use those advancements to a creative goal. Or any goal.
Kudos to your exact prediction of the G9 m2, Matti!
Thanks!
The PEN-F is determinately a Marmite job. You either love it to bits or hate it with a passion.
It is very much shoot for the jpeg.
Its colour wheel is its main feature, you have to use it to appreciate it, as is its mono. If you hate it then the PEN-F is not for you.
It does cry out for a mark two with new technology but keep it's form and function the same. But then add a more conventional Pen, with a viewfinder and tilt for Matti without the jpeg-led shooting.
That is very much what I do with jpeg+raw. I may be old school, you would set the camera up for film, maybe I just carried over. When I set the camera up to "shoot for the jpeg" I get a better raw. When you set film up wrong, you got rubbish. I am lazy, I don't edit unless I have to. Cameras have got a lot, lot better since the noughties and can often process their own raw internally better than software can, if you "shoot for the jpeg".
Menus have got a lot better. Breaking them down by subject was a good idea (but they take long ploughing) and now we have custom personal menus. But there is still a mountain of stuff to wade through. Imo putting the most common camera controls into a second customisable menu would be a good thing. By that I mean a complete copy of the settings menu that you can delete dross out of (and put back, mark hidden and unhide items).
And please OM-Olympus, let me put the exposure meter change onto a function button, I change metering on the fly just so often.
Fun and portable...you nailed it
Interesting thoughts, and thanks for sharing.
I will say first that I think MFT *should* compete directly with FF cameras. The only so-called limitations of MFT vs FF are differences in in dynamic range and relative performance at "higher" ISOs. Those differences are only of concern under very limited circumstances which means that for 95% of photographers they will never see or know any difference. There are amazing new sensor technologies already on the market in some niche applications and once brought to cameras the practical difference between MFT and FF will be eliminated. We all have seen how technological progress closes the gap between different designs, and camera sensors are no different. However, the mechanical advantages of MFT allowing much smaller, lighter, and less expensive lenses will always remain because of the laws of physics.
I agree with the small and compact cameras. I've been waiting years for Panasonic to come out with a new compact micro 4/3 camera. It's been too long! I still use my GF6.
I agree with you that m4/3 must concentrate on small size cameras. Yes, maybe retain the GH just for the pure video purists, as they can still ask a bit more for it. The G9, I don't know. The problem with it is which market it hopes to serve. Many aps-c cameras are already small and have good lenses, especially with Sony's lineup where Sigma, Tamron, Samyang, etc. are putting in cheaper but still very good, if not even excellent lenses that aren't that big either vs m4/3 lenses.
And that is also the problem of m4/3. 2 decades ago, Olympus touted that m4/3 or 4/3 earlier, would be smaller, lighter, and cheaper. But the last one is a big stopper for me. They aren't really any cheaper. And the Sigma's and Tamron's aren't really making cheaper lenses for them. So, you are stuck with Panasonic or Olympus making lenses. But the price is a turn-off.
There's also limited pixel size of the sensor. Right now, I think m4/3 is on 24mp. But this is only to higher end models or new models. For all intents and purposes, they are stuck at 20mp. That is not good for landscape or birders/wildlife where you may need more for cropping.
OF course, one advantage of m4/3 is that the longer focal lengths, especially fast ones, are really smaller and lighter vs even the aps-c models. But in some cases not so much anymore. and for wider or mid-range FL, m4/3 in general don't hold the monopoly in size or weight advantage that is leaps ahead. I can tolerate a bit of size if I get to use a larger sensor.
What is m4/3 to do? I think, Olympus and Panasonic best utilize AI to exceed the limits of their smaller sensor size. If m4/3 can use the tech and AI in Insta360 Ace Pro, you can have a 48mp or more in a m4/3 sensor but without the noise! It can even be great in low light! Just take a look at what the Insta360 can do with a 8k video and 48mp photo mode using a 1/1.3" sensor size!!! And the images look stunning in 8k or 4k video 24 or 30fps, in low light! That is a 1/1.3" sensor!!!
So, m4/3 must use this tech to break from from its limits. And I agree, m4/3 must focus on small handy cameras more. It must also improve video shooting. Like or not, video is the new "photography." Has been for many years now. Only strict hardcore photographers are in denial. They don't realize that the advnaces in photography comes basically now in the R&D done to solve video problems/limitations. So, it's not photography drving innovation. It's video. And since video is really nothing more than a series of photos strung together with sound, if you can make that string of photos perform well in terms of low light, DR, etc, then the photo part is peanuts!
The 3rd solution is to lower or build lower priced lenses. That is really possible as 3rd party lens makers has shown. Maybe partner with them to do this. Have them build lenses for them. If sony can come up with a tiny 11 f1.8 that is optically superb, or samyang a 12mm f2.0 that is so good in aps-c for about U$300, why can't m4/3?
The point of the 3rd solution is to not focus on an old and loyal market (not that you will be ditching them). The point is to recruit new ones from the younger generation. Fuji did that strategy. And it is good for them. They also parlayed their fuji colors and their own retro style cameras which younger generations seem to like. M4/3 is missing the boat here.
Bottom line is, m4/3 cannot seek to keep pleasing the converted. They have to start getting new converts. You can't do that with expensive bodies, or lenses and accessories. Or large video centric only cameras that is beyond their reach in terms of price. Or bulky cameras. M4/3 must start wooing the younger generation. m4/3 must focus now more on video. m4/3 must start using AI to break the limits of m4/3 sensors.
These are the things that I think what will save m4/3. Otherwise, as I see it, it will be a slow dying death. Not unless you are Pentax and just continue doing what they are doing and play in the DSLR world, oblivious of the trend and or profitability.
This is my 13th year in Panasonic micro four thirds. I have used them extensively for event photography and have never been disappointed. I recently bought a Lumix s5ii for better low light work and want to increase my video skills. The size of the body was comparable, but the lenses are way bigger and heavier. I love the flexibility of micro four thirds, I have a Gh5, G9, Gx85, GM2, and G100 with a host of lenses. I feel that the system needs to go in the direction of sports, wildlife and anywhere where the outdoor reach advantage of the micro four-thirds sensor size shines. With phase detect autofocus, these two areas come into better focus, (pun intended). As far a fun small camera, I love my GM 5 and use it for street photography, but the iPhone is and will be hard to compete with. Thank you for all your videos
I bought a well-used Olympus E-M1 a couple years ago to test the system and LOVE it's size, big enough grip, weather sealing, performance, and TILT SCREEN. I wish either Olympus or Panasonic would make a newer version for PHOTOGRAPHERS not videography. I DON'T want a fully articulated screen that swings out to the side. It seems a sizable percentage of photographers prefer a tilt screen, but NONE of the "best" M43 cameras anyone makes anymore have one. Guess I'll just keep shooting with my trusty 10+ year old companion.
It has become the best focus research. The more products use this new technology, the more the development costs are leveled off and reduced. There is no other excuse. They need to get serious about m4/3 as well.
Thank you very much for your correct placements.
thank you.
This is one of the most sensible talks I have heard in a long time on any camera system.
I have had this love/hate relationship with m4/3 systems and had owned many of them. I still have one. To me, with what the sensor size is (and for me that is number one) and with comparison to the competition, especially Olympus, have priced themselves out of the market. I will not pay $2K+ for this format.
M43 will probably not be a low cost option in the future but rather a premium compact size segment.
@@erikehrling4715 I certainly hope so. I paid nearly $1300 for Sony RX100MVII and have loved it ever since. M4/3 is certainly capable of doing it even better in that price range.
What kind of camera would be my favorite? It is primarily used for macro photography.
I use the gh6 with the Leica 10-25 (probably will get the 25-50 Leica as well eventually). I love it a lot, but would love to see a slightly more stripped down version of it. More compact, lighter, and better battery life. Maybe even with a more fun vintage design would be nice!
Additionally, a mark 2 of the Leica 100-400 would also be awesome. Wildlife photo/video is where m43 really shines with how much more compact the lenses can be for insane zoom ranges. A mark 2 would also reinforce trust that Panasonic has not given up on m43!
A long time M43 shooter myself I would add this. Back in the days, when there we had to choose between 24X35mm film size, medium format film size (several), and large format film sizes, there was one to be considered king size; 6x7 medium format. The fact that 24x35mm film size became standard film size for the big audience was very suprising, because it is far too panoramic for most occasions, even for landscape photography. You had to crop a lot of disturbing bits of on the long sides. In the present time there is a lot of fuzz going on about sensor sizes, claiming M43 to be smaller then APS-C camera's and therefore inferior. But same as in the old days, most of the extra pixels in APS-C (having the same ratio as 24x35mm) are on the long side. When you consider 4:3 close to 6:7 (which I think you can), for most occasions M43 is still the sweet spot of photography. And I wholeheartely agree with you; M43 should focus on small camera's. Wheatherproof one's, which we will enjoy to take with us.
Thanks. I agree that the 4:3 aspect ratio is very nice.