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First find a calibrator who knows how to calibrate JVC and dump the Envy, nobody with the right motives would compare hight bright to Envy calibration, unprofessional, and misleading to consumers. And go learn how to properly measure contrast, get the right meter and meter setup.
@@Youthman Do you think comparing JVC profile off/ high bright to a calibrated Envy profile make sense, and what are you illustrating doing that? What was the measure contrast off the lens, and what was the 1-2-3-4-5% ire power gamma tracking? The most important measurements on any high contrast display?
Yup you're used to seeing wrong basically vs seeing correct. Really gives you a idea of how a tv, a projector, lcd monitor so forth can skew per say what was intended by the creator! It's really night and day difference and why i got into calibration myself and love it.
Daniel did an awesome job on my NX7! It’s really great chatting with him during the process, very informative. Would definitely recommend his services!
@@NickMatzkeMusic Yeah if I want to kill all of my brightness I will call him. The dude literally did his best to kill all the extra brightness. Someone professional understands that consumer either like brightness or contrast or middle ground. He should have showcased 2 profiles and let Daniel choose
The snow scene in Inception and the winter woods scene in Dances With Wolves are great in showing calibrated gray scale. The best part is you won’t experience bulb dimming which really messes with a good calibration.
Was amazed just how vivid the greens looked pre-calibration, I wonder is this typical of laser? Also how bright every scene was, as you will know most how haven't had a calibration before are a bit shocked how dull their projector looks afterward.
My own calibration (limited by my projector especially) was just the old tried and true - set color to zero and then dial in the contrast/brightness as well you can with a black and white image, without color it's easier to see those differences. Once that's done, start turning color back up until it starts looking "real" and not neon. That alone can probably get you somewhere pretty usable, albeit most likely not down to these numbers. But, achieving a pleasing image that's so-so vs a real scientific calibration is doable. But even as to this calibration - it's still your display, at the end of the day. If you feel you'd prefer a less precise image with more pop, the calibration police won't show up at your house with truncheons if you decide to tweak things to your liking. 😃
When I watch baseball on MLB app on my Apple TV, the grass always looks like that Chernobyl fluorescent green. I would love to do some calibration. Thanks for making this very interesting video.
I noticed a fairly dramatic loss in brightness from this end especially if only 3 nits are lost during calibration. It looks like you are sacrificing brightness for more accurate color control.
yeah you aren't losing total possible brightness but the brightness loss per color is surely more signifigantly in order to make it "right" I'd be curios what the nit loss on some of those post calibrated scenes were. Only loss 3 on the top end but i bet the average loss in most of the color and luminance values is signignatly larger. But the point is, it wasn't supposed to be that bright anyway, by raising up to make intentionally dimmer things brighter, you are compressing the dynamic range and givving you less variance from thigns that should be bright vs shouldn't, it looks cool but it isn't correct. When he talked about proper spacing that's kind of where it clicked for me, Like the default mode say puts 75% of the color content into maybe 40% of the display's cabality so more of the content is brighter most of the time, but then you have less dynamic range, less steps between max and min so there is less definitoin or finess to the spectrum. It's kind o flike upmixing a 5.1 audio track to atmos so more of your speakers are used more of the time, using more of your systems capabilities more often, but it's having to create content that doesn't and shouldn't exist, changign the balance of sound but using more of what you paid for.
Personally, I found that the picture was more pleasing to my eye after calibration - Yes, it took a little getting used to, but way less eye fatigue. I find that the ultra high contrast and saturation of TVs in stores (Costco for instance) to be totally unrealistic. - Cheers!
On the report he measured 106nits before calibration and 103nits after. That's not what I call a dramatic loss. I think that in the comparison he used dynamic laser for the calibrated mode. This is the only way to explain this huge difference
I loved this, so well done. You might want to add some text qualifying the before after comparisons are not what you are really seeing but what your camera is seeing, i would doubt that your final results look that dim. excellent job
Hi Youthman. This video was great. It’s very important, I think to calibrate TV’s, projectors and computer monitors if you are using it for photography. When I adjust a Tv or projector of mine, I do it in the dark. I like a natural looking picture, I’ve been fussy for many years now. You would think that these companies would have their TV’s and projectors already calibrated correctly, not all these other false image settings. Take care. Kind regards, Gary
26:15 great conversation about why a calibration could reduce brightness and how JVC has allowed calibration professional to access the inner menu to significantly limit light loss but still raise the contrast ratio significantly. This must look amazing
There is no way of magically increasing native contrast, the 64000:1 is 10% sure an error, that a skilled calibrator should be critical about, and dig deeper into what went wrong. The MadVr Envy can not improve the projectors native capabilities, and the projector could have been calibrated the same without, using the High bright mode to a-b compare is the most silly thing i have ever seen is a calibration video, there most be some kind of marketing motives to do i that way.
@@kurthjmark7209 I am sure you are right. Thanks for being here to logically support your observation with data. Never stop shining your positive light
Wow crazy reduction in brightness. Would be interesting to see what kind of calibration u can do without sacrificing so much brightness. I know it’s a preference but there are definitely those of us who prefer a brighter image. I was considering hiring a calibrator but if that’s the impact I guess I’m good.
I'm sure Daniel told you this, but if you give your eyes time to adjust(could be a couple days or could be a few weeks), and then you go back to those demo scenes, you'll think they look absolutely ridiculous without the calibration! So hopefully you don't give in and go back to what you're used to, before you give your eyes time to adjust to what is the correct looking image.
I appreciate the heads up. Yes I want to give it some time and then switch back to see. I can already tell the faces have entirely too much red in them. Skin tones definitely do not look natural compared to the calibrated.
well, you can adjust to anything. You can adjust to a TCL with 200 nits coming from an A95L. It doesn't mean it is better. It's just that you've adjusted to it🙂
Nobody compare the high bright profile off to a calibrated image, its the absolute most unwatchable mode, if you have to compare to something it should be the uncalibrated filmmaker mode.
@@kurthjmark7209 That would have been an interesting comparison, but I think they compared it to the High Bright mode because that's what Michael uses... I could be wrong though.
Nice endorsement for MadVR, maybe next time you can actually calibrate the JVC with it's own internal cal options to show us what the JVC is capable of instead of adding an external $5K device to show us what the JVC isn't doing. Or do it with JVC's cal options and then with the MADVR. Says nothing to me about what the NZ800 is capable of.
We were calibrating my system, which has a madVR, therefore the video was sharing my experience. This wasn’t a comparison video between madVR and JVC‘s internal tone mapping.
The calibrated storm clouds was really cool to see how they should look in real life. I always appreciate your honesty in admitting it might take a little while to get used to more of a natural image from a calibrated display
Very cool to get the equipment performing its best. Paying for a pro to show up to calibrate makes sense once the gear itself starts getting to this level. On a personal note, my Epson UST produces a very satisfying image - but I'm still pissed off that Epson didn't even give it some hidden pro menus to access calibration at all. It is what it is. That's an insane decision - I mean sure, hide it so ham-fisted home users don't mess things up, but leave it as an option. It looks very good in the appropriate movie focused mode but still.
Have to wonder if “double-contrast” is too much at the expense of brightness? The problem is that the “brightness-POP” that the projector is capable of “got-up-and-left?” Not a result I was expecting.
I thought that the JVC tone mapping was oversaturated and the MadVR was too dark. With the tree, the cloud HDR looked great, but there was severe black crush in the branch shadows. MadVR might be best for cheaper projectors (Epson, etc) sop that they're closer to the JVC for less.
Good information but I kinda prefer the bright colorful & saturated look of the uncalibrated demo but of course seeing in person in your room might change my opinion.
It’s definitely difficult to capture visually what I’m seeing with my own eyes. I will be spending quite a bit of time with a calibrated and then want to switch back to uncalibrated I will share my thoughts in a future video.
It’s definitely difficult to capture visually what I’m seeing with my own eyes. I will be spending quite a bit of time with a calibrated and then want to switch back to uncalibrated I will share my thoughts in a future video.
It’s definitely difficult to capture visually what I’m seeing with my own eyes. I will be spending quite a bit of time with a calibrated and then want to switch back to uncalibrated I will share my thoughts in a future video.
@@Youthman that's true it's impossible to capture these differences on a camera and on top of RUclips video compression but really interested to hear your thoughts after prolonged use.
@@Youthman The eyes take time to adjust for dark/light and after a while the perception will make the calibrated scenes look brighter, so switching forward/backward will trick the eye a bit.
I think a lot of it is personal preference. Personally, I find vivid to be unwatchable (overblown) and calibrated to be the exact opposite (dark and green with funky skin tones). I personally prefer Sony Standard switched to Warm 1 color temp (you could do Warm 2) and then I change the color by +7. If I bought a new TV like an A95L, the first thing I would do is put it next to the old TV and color match it because that's a bigger change than OLED vs Mini LED imho. If I can't color match, I would literally hire a calibrator, not to calibrate the TV but to color match it. Also, the Ambient Light Sensor is an absolute must so that you can get balanced brightness throughout the day. Otherwise, it'll be too bright or too dim depending on the surroundings.
Thank you Youthman and Daniel. I enjoyed the ride. I will never be able to own such nice things, but it was very interesting to see how with the right equipment and technology your house theater experience can go a level above in my opinion than what is possible even in a public theater. I have never seen a picture look so perfect than I did today with your dream theater. 🙏👍😎👏👏
Contrast is based on an infinite value i.e. Black level. So 2 projectors with different brightness but perfect black will both have the same infinite contrast. One will be able to produce a brighter more accurate image even if both are fully calibrated. So don't confuse calibrated with accurate. Instead look at color volume which will say much more.
@Youthman are you aware that since this video went live Daniel has finally corrected the record and said that the 60,000:1 native contrast is due to a stuck iris not a real increase in contrast based on calibration? Curious if anyone has bothered telling you this so you can fix the stuck iris and maybe correct the record here so everyone realizes what Daniel says in the video is not possible. You cannot double the native contrast through calibration.
This is the first I’m hearing of it. He initially had me test to see if the iris was stuck and we verified over FaceTime that was not the case. I will reach out to him now.
There is no confirmation as to why the measurement observed was as high as it was. What we do know is that we have multiple profiles with that same black floor, the correct exposure settings and multipliers were used per the president of Colorimetry Research, JVC’s first units of these new projectors did occasionally have sticky irises but Michael and I tested for this and AT THE TIME WE TESTED, there was no evidence of a sticky iris. At least one other Calibrator had experienced this issue with an NZ900 he had calibrated. These are the facts as we know them. Additionally, if I go into the profile and manually update the black measurement, the Average dE remains almost unchanged.
@@Youthman its a shame and it appears as if you have been misled. If you remember some of us tried to point it out at the time but you weren't aware of issues. On the AVSForum Daniel has explained away the impossible 60,000:1 native contrast measurement by saying it was caused by a stuck iris (I can't post link in comments unfortunately). I just thought it would be appropriate if someone let you know what is going on.
Can somebody explain why laser projectors aren't designed with the red and green phosphor already in the DCI-P3 or REC2020 corners, so the projector can cover the whole gamut natively? I understand that metal halide bulbs have a difficulty producing red, but I don't understand why they didn't choose a deeper green and red phosphor for their green and red base colors.
There is only a blue laser. Red and green are created from a yellow phosphor and the red and green from the yellow phosphor are not P3 primaries for either color. An additional filter is needed to clean up the light for these 2 colors to be pure enough to reach P3 primaries.
@@nicko880 Thanks, I figured it must be something like that. I never understood the yellow phosphor step, aren't there green and red phosphors, they used red and green phosphor in old televisions?
@@jeroenk3570 the engineering choice is beyond me. But considering JVC, Sony, Epson, and various DLP projector manufactures all do blue laser and yellow phosphor with very similar native color gamut results, then there is probably a very good reason for it.
Reading through the comments and It seems like there are a lot of guys who prefer brightness above all else, which is something that has puzzled me since getting into this hobby in the late '90s. I mean, it's their money so they can do whatever they want, but I just never understood the obsession with brightness when it comes to TVs and projectors... Even before you showed the calibrated image, I thought the comparison scenes looked horrendous! Also, you can tell there's a lot of people who aren't taking into account how difficult it is to properly capture an off-screen image with a camera, when judging the comparison shots.
I agree. We all have different preferences, and I am still very very new to calibration so I haven’t determined for myself which I prefer. I’m spending time with calibrated mode and eventually I want to switch back over to the uncalibrated mode to see what my thoughts are.
@@Youthman Do you actually use that High Bright mode? When I first got my JVC NP5 I used Natural and Filmmaker mode until I got it calibrated, and the difference between those and the calibrated image wasn't nearly as significant as the one you showed with your projector.
I am not sold on calibration either after this. Looks like my uncalibrated 1500 lumen projector I have now - and I want it to be brighter when I get a new JVC projector. Yet, calibrated scenes seem so dark. Double contrast seems to be of no benefit if what you “bright!” The other ironic aspect is that you need a MADVR at $5000 additional cost to get the “perfect-picture”. If I was confused about calibration before, it is even worse now! I have to be concerned now about what the performance would be with just the projector alone?! The picture might be properly accurate - but I sure do not like the overall result. Way to dark and $15-20 grand to boot plus the MADVR for another $5-7000? Yikes. How do you spell DISAPOINTMENT!
Nice setup - But I'm baffled!... Why would you go to all that trouble and spend all that money in a DEDICATED room with that projector and MAD-VR, no less - then install a light floor and grey walls that bounce light back onto the screen??? (and that's without having seen the ceiling)... 😵 At least lay some black rug down in front of the screen, have dark curtains on the front side walls and black curtain masking for aspects under 2-39 !!! THAT would make an amazing difference for very little money.
That is a great question Adrian. When we moved into our home 17 years ago, the floorplan had a "media room." My wife and I thought this would be a great opportunity for me to have a dedicated home theater. It's not ideal, and it's certainly far from perfect. But I can assure you it brings INCREDIBLE joy to myself, my family and guests that we have over. I absolutely could use velvet on the walls, completely darken the hand crafted cabinet that my friend built, and lay a black rug on the floor. But perfection isn't what I'm chasing. We created a room that allows us to unwind after a long week. A room that allows us to escape reality when needed. And a place that puts a smile on our face every time we sit down to watch a movie. BTW, the light floor was installed 17 years ago when we moved into the home and was already laid before we found the home on the market.
@@Youthman Fair enough, although I'd definitely recommend at least buying a roll of matte black carpet that lives under the screen, and simply comes out to the 1st row when you're in "dedicated movie mode" and you want improved performance. I've done it in a few places. BIG difference for very little money or hassle. SO much to be said for making that front section disappear. The first time I did it - all my friends swore I'd done a massive projector upgrade, such was the difference!😁
For me I would want something in-between the two so long as its not clipping. Just like most people don't like a flat frequency response with sound but a slight bass boost. It's always better to go with whats more pleasing to you not whats the more accurate. Its a fact that nearly all (over 90%) of the worlds population prefers an image with more pop, so much so that its baked into all of our phones and apps as well as human genetics e.g. why a baby responds to a woman with red lips. Don't forget that most content we watch we have no clue what the actual scene was supposed to look like, where we don't really perceive a problem unless it looks completely unnatural.
Do we like it, because we like it...or becasue it's what we are always subjected to, so we've become conditioned and expected to like it. Which came first, the pop, or the desire for the pop.....*ponders* but yeah the baby thing is evidence our brains like ooo shiney even before displays are really intoduced to us.
@@Youthman one thing peopel need to consider, color value, color volumn and color brightness, whiel related are not the same thing, you can have both the wrong shade and the wrong intensity to varying degree's, ther eis very little reason not to fix the color value's so they track correctly, there is a lot more wiggle room with color brightness. Hence the dynamic laser dimming. The goal is to get the colors to the right value's globally, then you can adjust and play with the overal brightness to bring back some of that impact. Kinda buried in this comment but I was surpzied hwo well brown looked , the guys face post cal, Brown is a VERY hard color to get to look right with light output vs light reflection. Looking at brown paint is differnt than looking at a video of a wall painted brown on a screen. But that was avery good natural looking brown.
@@Youthman "unless it looks completely unnatural". i also don't think this projector has the lumens to produce the color volume of the original scenes where on the nz900 the calibrated image would be brighter and have more pop. And on an even more expensive Christie better still.
Congrats on the new MadVR! Props to ya Youthman! Enjoy - wish I could visit someday. Oh! Mind if I ask what power amps are you running now? All the best, Kevin
@@Youthman Fantastic Sir. Monolith makes some great gear. I've been very lucky to find and fix 4 amps to use in my very budget system. Getting there - one dumpster dive at a time. The calibration of your JVC made huge difference. Two thumbs up! Looks so natural now. Makes me want to recalibrate my 2010 Sharp Aquos 70" 1080p recycle bin rescue TV again. 4K is just a dream for me at this point - but someday - maybe. I hope to meet you in-person someday. All the very best to you and yours, Kevin
Is it the color filter in the JVC that is sucking out the light in the calibrated mode? Did you try a calibrated mode without the color filter in place in the JVC? I hope to get an NZ800 at some stage,
How much of the changes in the images that were shown were the madvr tone mapping and how much if it was the calibration. I just got a NZ800 but have yet to install it and am wondeing if it is a requirement to also get a MadVR or if I can enjoy the projector without it for a while.
Not sure how it would be a requirement. You would just get the projector calibration done on the projector only. It won't be quite as good but it will still be a lot more accurate than the pj out the box.
The demo scenes give the impression of a huge light loss, like 50% or so, almost so dark it's hard to even see... I'm by no means sold on calibration now. I find that I care more about it looking good than looking "realistic", much like when I'm editing photos I take. I suppose I lean towards the impressionists view of things in that a painting is supposed to convey the feeling you felt looking at something rather than attempt to be 1:1 replica of reality.
I wish I could get the color accuracy from calibration and still maintain the original brightness before calibration. But unfortunately, you can’t have both. It’s very obvious that skin tones were way too red before calibration. The grass was neon green. I’m going to spend some time with it calibrated and then switch back pre-calibrated and share my thoughts maybe in future video
@@Youthman I believe that if your calibrator is using the color filter on the JVC that may be accounting for your brightness loss. The JVC Color Filter ends up with a 32% light loss when used. You can still have a calibrated picture without the color filter in place, it just means you get ~85% of DCI-P3 instead of 100% which you may only notice on a few scenes in colors. I would take the extra brightness over the few scenes the color filter may benefit you. YMMV.
@@spizzy7996 It sounded liek they weren't using the filter, though it also sounds like you can, and likely did calibrate for both it in and out of place. I think it did dim some, I went in to more detail in another comment as to why and the pros and cons, but I also think it's very likely that, you just aren't getting a very accurate representation of the before and after without both images on same time side by side because of the camera. Even if they were side by side vs a/b the differnces in what we see on our displays through his camera and the file compression won't really track. That's probably obvious, and unavoidable. Just on it's face, we're looking at a calibrated image captured on a likely uncalibrated camera, run through editing sofware and whatever color work it's doing, plus likely a change in file formats, possibly more than once. And all that's before the very simple fact that camera sensors do not see light and colors the same way as our eyes, nor are they as good at adjusting. He probably had the exposure on the camera locked down, so it's "fair" and so one didn't clip/blow out the image going back and forth or have a lot of noise introduced, but I suspect after a few seconds their eyes properly adjusted to the new average picture leval and the images perceived brightness were a lot closer and not as jarring. I'll be the first to admit the post calibrated representation felt lifeless and dull by comparison, not a fan...right now. But in person once used to it, I'd be wlling to bet it'll be an overal more enjoyable experience moving forward. Make sure you give us a follow up!
@@Youthman I'd like to hear that YM. Like someone else said below regarding accuracy, with audio we don't like a flat frequency line preferring a slight bass boost etc so I'm wondering if in time will you prefer an image that's a "halfway point" between calibrated accuracy and factory settings. If that happens I'd be really interested to see how you go about achieving that . Thanks for the awesome content mate..
You made a very good assessment. I did do my best to make sure everything was locked down in the camera like aperture, shutter speed, ISO and color temperature but there are often times I record my screen and I’m not saying the same colors or the same exposure I’m seeing in person as what I’m seeing in person. I definitely want to spend some time playing with it myself with some other real world content and share my thoughts in a future video of what my preference is.
Yes the issue was with light output on the NZ7. It wasn’t quite enough to fill a 150 inch diagonal screen. The NZ8 to the NZ800 is more of a lateral move, but I had the opportunity to do so, so I did. Keep in mind this is my full time vocation. I wouldn’t recommend for consumers to upgrade from the NZ8 to NZ800 as it’s only an incremental upgrade.
So this roughly 16k later to get it calibrated like that? A JVC only calibration wouldn’t get you a similar image? I’m not talking about the aspect ratio stuff MaDVR would fix, just calibration.
MadVR Envy gives you the ability to do highly accurate 1D and 3D luts which are theoretically much more accurate than what you can do with JVC alone. Also these luts are automatic so you basically just get everything setup, point the meter and Calman and Envy can then do everything automatically. The cost of the Envy is inconsequential - no one is paying it just for calibration, you pay for the entire package and everything it can do.
Did you get a calibration only valid for SDR? How useful is a SDR calibration when most of the content nowadays is offered in HDR? Just trying to learn ;)
@@Youthman So your bluray player / streaming device generally sends a HDR signal to your Anthem processor which is then converted to SDR by MadVR? So that your projector always receive a SDR signal, since your calibration was done in SDR? Am I right? 🤔
@@Youthman That's fine. I sometimes wish I had studied in audio / video rather than software engineering. I read that both MadVR and the Panasonic UB820 can convert HDR to SDR while still BT.2020 color space. I was just wondering if my Epson 5050UB is good enough to handle HDR, or if it is better to have a single calibration profile for SDR, and always convert to SDR. I'll keep reading about this. Have a great day, Michael!
The Envy converts HDR -> SDR so you only need to calibrate the JVC to SDR with your desired colorspace and the Envy will handle everything else. Envy can send tone mapped SDR Rec 2020 to the projector. Some people like to use separate calibrations for HDR and SDR and change the laser settings (making HDR brighter than SDR) but there is no need to.
We watched guardians of the Galaxy last night and it was plenty bright enough in calibrated mode. I’m not sure if it’s my camera that is making it look so much darker in the video.
Thanks in years to come will projectors still be the thing of the century I have a 1080p projector but still try to make it look decent in picture quality
@lyndonramchatesingh105 anything can change as technology evolves but I don’t see them going anywhere anytime soon. Especially until they can figure out a way to put a center channel speaker directly behind the display.
Just saw your new post of the elac debut 3.0 how are they gonna compare to the klipsch rp600m ii I was thinking about getting dali rubicon 2 or monitor audio gold 100 5g not sure if I should it cost so much
I feel like I would need to have a calibration done before watching my projector. I know my eyes would adjust, but I feel like I would be losing vibrancy or brightness.
I was wondering the same thing, but last night we watched guardians of the Galaxy and it’s absolutely bright enough. At no time that I feel it was too dark.
The hardware is one thing, it's the software that sets it apart. The software is what automatically sets the aspect ratio to fill your screen at any given time, especially given all the different ratios that exist now, and some people want to avoid black bars at all costs (literally). The color adjustment and tones are secondary.
Check out the Envy Core which is now targeting people like you - the HTPC DIY crowd. You can now have an Envy for under $5,000.00 which isn't a huge stretch over a high end HTPC and believe me the Envy is significantly more user friendly and more capable than an HTPC.
I don't think its possible to get 60k to 1 contrast with the ap wide open, I have the NZ800 myself but haven't calibrated it yet. my NZ8 at -4ap laser at 46, 95 nits I got 42K to 1
I can’t answer how because this is all above my knowledge base. Some have asked if the iris was closed down to get that amount of contrast. Daniel was talking with Kris Deering and Sammy Prescott a few days ago as they are all good friends and they wanted to make sure the iris was not stuck, even though the indicator in the projection menu shows it open. So I did a test with Daniel on Facetime to see if the iris might have been partially closed. We turned on the projector, let it warm up for 20 min, took a measurement of a paused image. And then close the app all the way down, opened it all the way up, closed it all the way down and then all the way back up again. And we got the same exact measurement with the iris wide open before and after the test. I could also see the projector dimming each step of the aperture in the menu.
Thanks for this video. first , I think showing these demos is missing the point here.. almost no one knows this content. showing clips from movies that are actually familiar to most makes more sense because we have some point of reference. I am not an expert but the before/after seems like going from slightly vivid picture to a much dimmer one, almost like the "before" is taken place in a sunny spring day and the "after" is in the winter.. HDR, or for that matter madvr, are not supposed to work like that. you are supposed to maintain the original intent of picture.
The point of reference is most people know what grass looks like, or the skin tone of a face. Grass in the before looks a bit neon green. No matter what part of the US or even out of the country I’ve been to, I’ve never seen neon grass. Ever. 😀
@@Youthman Michael, I get you :) but the grass is not the issue, the entire picture is. The 2 options here seem to be between colors that look more alive vs much dimmer. look at the picture of the town, one looks like its summer, the other looks like a stormy day.. which is correct? the entire demo is supposed to be in hdr, right? so the changes are puzzling... madvr should do tone mapping and bring some shadow detail back, not change the entire image..
Just had my NZ9 calibrated this week. 5x improvement in native contrast because of a wrong setting somewhere in my Lumagen. Not to mention the massive color improvements.
@@Zachary_Setzer, I'm in Indian Trail and have tried contacting Darrell before. I think we are probably a few miles from one another. I ended up having ChadB come out for calibration of my NZ8. That was before I had a Lumagen. I wonder if I should try reaching out to Darrell again.
@dropzone7 Nice! Chad did a calibration for me a few years ago. Great work and a great guy as well. This was my second time using Darrell. Not sure about the communication difficulty you had in the past. He has been responsive to me on both occasions. He responds to texts at the number listed for Custom Calibrations on Google as well as the email listed on the website. Maybe try one of those if you want to reach out to him again in the future. I'm planning to have him come back and do two of my TVs.
It seems you guys did your best to kill all the bonus brightness with the upgrade. You can make it look natural and slightly overblown rather than super dim and natural. If you ask me I would take all the brightness boost having 39.000:1 contrast. But it's personal preference
@@Youthman Great! Meanwhile, my comment about your projector’s calibration, albeit EXCELLENT AND way over my head in technical detail, is that (maybe) it’s - too aggressive? Seems it’s gone too far into dealing with “contrast” at the expense of “brightness”. I say that because for only losing 3 nits overall, which is phenomenal, all the “brightness punch” - disappeared?! I find that very perplexing. Is there not a more middle ground? (In any event, I am hoping that JVC chooses to announce replacements for its lower cost projectors and maybe Sony too? Safe travels!)
Nick lives in Wisconsin and was traveling to Florida and offered to calibrate my NX7 when I had it. Since then, I have upgraded from the NZ7 to the NZ8 and now the NZ800. Daniel was traveling to Florida and offered to calibrate my projector while he was here.
It’s funny because all the JVC guys are always hanging their hats on color saturation. This is what they knock Sony for as they prioritize sharpness and color accuracy. Well this calibration looks amazing; it looks like a Sony lol
It's not the madVR really, it's the calibrated setting. This was calibrated in a scientific fashion using skill and state of the art analysis hardware so it's going to be quite accurate to where it's supposed to be versus the real world. But we do like having colors really pop and things being very bright, which is why that's how these units come. Real life doesn't have neon green grass so the projected image shouldn't either.
@youthman Loved this video! Been awhile since you did a video quite like this. I don’t have a projector, nor do I plan on getting one, but I still really enjoyed this video. :) ….Room tour?
Calibration on a projector really makes it look bad. Look how much brightness you lose. That's not usable. Calibration on a flat panel tv actually looks good, because you have enough brightness to use. The projector scene honestly needs dolby vision implementation and take this madvr out of the system chain. Its too expensive and kind of worthless
That pull out shelving/rack is always paying off for your installs and changes. If you added a hinge on the left railing that will allow you to pull the cabinets out and swivel the right side outward at the end of it's travel would be sweet. Probably easier said than done. But limber or not contorting yourself is only a matter of time before strain. Or a longer railing that has one extra extension.
Great idea but no hinge or that side of the cabinet would hold that weight . The calculated real load of that gear 8 to whatever feet away from the hinge would be enormous..
That is correct a hinge is not going to work. The rail itself drags as you could see. I struggle to slide it out to the full extent with it fully loaded with gear.
Heavy duty Casters. Engineerium can make it happen. 😅 then It'd be defeating the purpose of sleek and hidden. Huge bank vault hinges aren't exactly the HT decor trend. Unless you stamp trinnov or you specifically bought the audiophile hinges. Then it's a great addition.
Most people don’t, myself included. You either enjoy it like it is, buy the software and tools and learn how to calibrate yourself or hire a professional.
this proves the JVC tone mapping is inferior to Sonys. JVC artificially adds way too much highlights especially to dark scenes whereas I bet your calibrated picture + mad VR is very similar to what the Sony projectors would display especially in dark scenes.
Keep in mind when I was doing MWAVE, during side by side blind A/B comparisons between JVC and Sony projectors, most preferred JVC. We did that comparison for two years.
@@YouthmanCompare a JVC to an OLED TV by playing the same dark scene. I bet you the JVC will show too much detail and is not the directors intent. The Sony will match what the OLED shows. Sonys are also much sharper and show more detail.
It went from 90% there out of the box just needed a bit of tweaking to tone down the saturation in especially green. The demo scenes are designed to show the colors pop not to be real life accurate. The demos looked like a Windows XP commercial from the 90's. Myself personally I know what my eyes like and when something is off and needs a bit of adjustment to get perfect, as far as this calibration goes I am not a fan it just looks off and not right even though it is right on measurement and photography for movies it lacks luster.😊
Well, we are seeing it through our own screens and its calibration, after it has been captured by a camera. It's also different when you're in the room with a giant screen and your eyes adjust. With RUclips you also get compression. Basically, when it comes to either audio or video conveyed via a RUclips video, the most it can do is give you some idea of the difference, not really an idea of how the end result is on site.
This is a typical RUclips video misleading consumers, why do a/b comparison with a JVC in high bright mode to a calibrated Envy profile? why not just do a proper JVC calibration? And the calibrated image looks off on camera. How about the contrast measurements? Any calibrator knows that off the screen measurements is very unstable and can have huge errors, and the CR100 meter used is not a specially good low light meter, so the 60000:1 native contrast should ring a bell, and demand a proper off the lens measurement, and investigation into what went wrong, but doubt the calibrator knows how, and when he is at it he could document the 1-2-3-4-5% ire gamma tracking, and see if the envy got that right. Its not uncommon to see calibrators mess up display so they are worse than uncalibrated out of the box settings. So the word calibration holds no quality stamp or value these days. Try again.
@@Youthman Would be better if someone who had a clue about how to use meters and calibration software would have a constructive dialog, instead of a content creator who only have interest in content for the sake of content. Its misleading comparison and marketing, and your contrast measurements is potentially very very misleading.
@@kurthjmark7209 must be fun at parties. You come in here and accuse people of not knowing what they are doing. You made your point in your first post. Leave it at that and move along. As far as Youthman, he has brought tons of content and and I'm sure a lot of people into the home theater space with his videos.
@@ReaperReef When you have a black level that changes this massivly that you go from 30000:1 to 60000:1 something is wrong, the projector have a native minimum black level, there is a lot of variables and options, laser dimming? bad factory setup, error reading off the screen, contrast cant be measured off the screen on these projectors. How do you measure contrast?
This video is deceitful. You don't gain contrast from calibration. You gain it by closing down the Iris, which causes significant brightness loss, so you have to crank laser power to compensate (assuming you have the headroom to do so). Calibration = increased color accuracy Closed down iris = increased contrast
Last night, we did a test to see if the iris was stuck. It wasn’t. I had the same lux measurement when fully open after we closed the iris all the way down and opened it back wide opened.
@@Youthman Everyone is telling you what I have been saying. Why not take this opportunity to learn and understand instead of just throwing your hands in the air and pretending everything is normal?
Really helpful and entertaining video. I'm not sure I prefer the calibrated images....it would take an adjustment, Once I was used to it, I'd likely appreciate it but it's like hey, where did my vibrancy go..
Yeah, that’s what I’ve got to decide if the changes are negative impact on the overall experience. The good thing is since we’re using the madVR envy, we can change whatever settings we want. If we are updating LUT in the projector, that wouldn’t be possible (at least that’s my understanding).
Your home and home theater are so awesome I have difficulty comprehending that you're thinking about selling your home and moving down to the same neighborhood that Michelle Moremon has her new house. Those homes are great but they're cookie cutter. Yours is unique please consider keeping it!
We haven’t decided where we’re going to live, but it makes much more sense to live close because we can build the business much faster when we’re able to collaborate and meet together. You are correct, those would not be my dream home, but I could handle living there for two or three years before we could build our dream home. I’m patient. Might be another year before it happens.
@@Youthmanto turn it the other way though you turned something that was honest, genuine, and passionate into a disingenuous channel whose content is sold to the highest bidder. People are only going to watch commercials for so long. Please consider doing at least some real content.
@@DLPHomeCinema you are welcome to your opinion of me, even though you don't know me personally. What you fail to understand is you can love what you do, make a living doing it and it still be genuine and authentic. How is having my projector calibrated and sharing that on my channel not considered "real content"? This was my first time meeting Daniel. He is extremely knowledgeable and a gentleman. We had a great time hanging out the entire day.
Yes 11 months ago. Keep in mind, these are my tools as a content creator. Most people would not upgrade from NZ8 to NZ800. Both are amazing projectors.
All good! I’m just jealous. 😊. Us “normal folk” who can’t get MadVRs (at least yet) do appreciate your older videos trying to squeeze out performance from what ya got. Definitely keep up those videos of reviews and tweaks vs new hardware.
Awesome. Now wouldn’t mind a video on benefits of a video processor on an NZ type projector if you have a 16:9 alr screen. Seems like scope is the main reason to get it but be nice to really get a full list of benefits.
I recently had an interview with Richard Litofsky on the new Envy Core - ruclips.net/video/S917aDt90Tc/видео.htmlsi=TKE3zaNA3YAigQeq Take a look in the description of that video there’s a link to a comparison chart of all of the features
To me it's bit funny that you need a calibration to the projector that expensive...at least here in my country that is 16000€ projector ...you could easily think that that expensive projector would already calibrated when you buy it..🙄
Calibration changes based on aperture, laser level, throw distance, screen, room conditions, filter usage. Impossible to be calibrated out of the box for everyone.
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First find a calibrator who knows how to calibrate JVC and dump the Envy, nobody with the right motives would compare hight bright to Envy calibration, unprofessional, and misleading to consumers.
And go learn how to properly measure contrast, get the right meter and meter setup.
You are welcome to calibrate how you want.
@@Youthman Do you think comparing JVC profile off/ high bright to a calibrated Envy profile make sense, and what are you illustrating doing that? What was the measure contrast off the lens, and what was the 1-2-3-4-5% ire power gamma tracking? The most important measurements on any high contrast display?
You guys look like the twins of TV !!!!!
You could literally see 80's Michael during Christmas when he's unboxing the madVR 😄
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Yup you're used to seeing wrong basically vs seeing correct. Really gives you a idea of how a tv, a projector, lcd monitor so forth can skew per say what was intended by the creator! It's really night and day difference and why i got into calibration myself and love it.
Daniel did an awesome job on my NX7! It’s really great chatting with him during the process, very informative. Would definitely recommend his services!
@@NickMatzkeMusic Yeah if I want to kill all of my brightness I will call him.
The dude literally did his best to kill all the extra brightness. Someone professional understands that consumer either like brightness or contrast or middle ground. He should have showcased 2 profiles and let Daniel choose
The snow scene in Inception and the winter woods scene in Dances With Wolves are great in showing calibrated gray scale. The best part is you won’t experience bulb dimming which really messes with a good calibration.
Was amazed just how vivid the greens looked pre-calibration, I wonder is this typical of laser? Also how bright every scene was, as you will know most how haven't had a calibration before are a bit shocked how dull their projector looks afterward.
Very excellent video! Thank you!!
I’ve had all my TV’s and projectors calibrated and it makes a huge difference.
My own calibration (limited by my projector especially) was just the old tried and true - set color to zero and then dial in the contrast/brightness as well you can with a black and white image, without color it's easier to see those differences. Once that's done, start turning color back up until it starts looking "real" and not neon. That alone can probably get you somewhere pretty usable, albeit most likely not down to these numbers. But, achieving a pleasing image that's so-so vs a real scientific calibration is doable. But even as to this calibration - it's still your display, at the end of the day. If you feel you'd prefer a less precise image with more pop, the calibration police won't show up at your house with truncheons if you decide to tweak things to your liking. 😃
When I watch baseball on MLB app on my Apple TV, the grass always looks like that Chernobyl fluorescent green. I would love to do some calibration. Thanks for making this very interesting video.
I noticed a fairly dramatic loss in brightness from this end especially if only 3 nits are lost during calibration. It looks like you are sacrificing brightness for more accurate color control.
Exactly.
yeah you aren't losing total possible brightness but the brightness loss per color is surely more signifigantly in order to make it "right" I'd be curios what the nit loss on some of those post calibrated scenes were. Only loss 3 on the top end but i bet the average loss in most of the color and luminance values is signignatly larger. But the point is, it wasn't supposed to be that bright anyway, by raising up to make intentionally dimmer things brighter, you are compressing the dynamic range and givving you less variance from thigns that should be bright vs shouldn't, it looks cool but it isn't correct. When he talked about proper spacing that's kind of where it clicked for me, Like the default mode say puts 75% of the color content into maybe 40% of the display's cabality so more of the content is brighter most of the time, but then you have less dynamic range, less steps between max and min so there is less definitoin or finess to the spectrum. It's kind o flike upmixing a 5.1 audio track to atmos so more of your speakers are used more of the time, using more of your systems capabilities more often, but it's having to create content that doesn't and shouldn't exist, changign the balance of sound but using more of what you paid for.
Personally, I found that the picture was more pleasing to my eye after calibration - Yes, it took a little getting used to, but way less eye fatigue.
I find that the ultra high contrast and saturation of TVs in stores (Costco for instance) to be totally unrealistic. - Cheers!
That’s the problem i had when my PJ was calibrated for HDR, it just looked too dark, so i opted for my own settings at the expense of colour accuracy.
On the report he measured 106nits before calibration and 103nits after. That's not what I call a dramatic loss. I think that in the comparison he used dynamic laser for the calibrated mode. This is the only way to explain this huge difference
I loved this, so well done. You might want to add some text qualifying the before after comparisons are not what you are really seeing but what your camera is seeing, i would doubt that your final results look that dim. excellent job
Hi Youthman. This video was great. It’s very important, I think to calibrate TV’s, projectors and computer monitors if you are using it for photography.
When I adjust a Tv or projector of mine, I do it in the dark. I like a natural looking picture, I’ve been fussy for many years now. You would think that these companies would have their TV’s and projectors already calibrated correctly, not all these other false image settings. Take care. Kind regards, Gary
26:15 great conversation about why a calibration could reduce brightness and how JVC has allowed calibration professional to access the inner menu to significantly limit light loss but still raise the contrast ratio significantly. This must look amazing
I’m not gonna lie, a lot of this was over my head and my understanding, but it was truly fascinating to hear Daniel explain it
There is no way of magically increasing native contrast, the 64000:1 is 10% sure an error, that a skilled calibrator should be critical about, and dig deeper into what went wrong. The MadVr Envy can not improve the projectors native capabilities, and the projector could have been calibrated the same without, using the High bright mode to a-b compare is the most silly thing i have ever seen is a calibration video, there most be some kind of marketing motives to do i that way.
@@kurthjmark7209 I am sure you are right. Thanks for being here to logically support your observation with data. Never stop shining your positive light
Wow crazy reduction in brightness. Would be interesting to see what kind of calibration u can do without sacrificing so much brightness. I know it’s a preference but there are definitely those of us who prefer a brighter image. I was considering hiring a calibrator but if that’s the impact I guess I’m good.
I'm sure Daniel told you this, but if you give your eyes time to adjust(could be a couple days or could be a few weeks), and then you go back to those demo scenes, you'll think they look absolutely ridiculous without the calibration! So hopefully you don't give in and go back to what you're used to, before you give your eyes time to adjust to what is the correct looking image.
Yup
I appreciate the heads up. Yes I want to give it some time and then switch back to see. I can already tell the faces have entirely too much red in them. Skin tones definitely do not look natural compared to the calibrated.
well, you can adjust to anything. You can adjust to a TCL with 200 nits coming from an A95L. It doesn't mean it is better. It's just that you've adjusted to it🙂
Nobody compare the high bright profile off to a calibrated image, its the absolute most unwatchable mode, if you have to compare to something it should be the uncalibrated filmmaker mode.
@@kurthjmark7209 That would have been an interesting comparison, but I think they compared it to the High Bright mode because that's what Michael uses... I could be wrong though.
Nice endorsement for MadVR, maybe next time you can actually calibrate the JVC with it's own internal cal options to show us what the JVC is capable of instead of adding an external $5K device to show us what the JVC isn't doing. Or do it with JVC's cal options and then with the MADVR. Says nothing to me about what the NZ800 is capable of.
We were calibrating my system, which has a madVR, therefore the video was sharing my experience. This wasn’t a comparison video between madVR and JVC‘s internal tone mapping.
This was educational. Great video, Michael.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video
The calibrated storm clouds was really cool to see how they should look in real life. I always appreciate your honesty in admitting it might take a little while to get used to more of a natural image from a calibrated display
We get used to VIVID MODE 🤣🤣🤣
@@Youthmanwhat is the software he is using? Is it “Light Illusion”?
I posted a link to the software and the calibration tools in the description
Great video as always!
Did he calibrate for SDR within Rec2020 or rec709? The reason I ask is that is what MadVr uses.
Very cool to get the equipment performing its best. Paying for a pro to show up to calibrate makes sense once the gear itself starts getting to this level. On a personal note, my Epson UST produces a very satisfying image - but I'm still pissed off that Epson didn't even give it some hidden pro menus to access calibration at all. It is what it is. That's an insane decision - I mean sure, hide it so ham-fisted home users don't mess things up, but leave it as an option. It looks very good in the appropriate movie focused mode but still.
Have to wonder if “double-contrast” is too much at the expense of brightness? The problem is that the “brightness-POP” that the projector is capable of “got-up-and-left?” Not a result I was expecting.
I thought that the JVC tone mapping was oversaturated and the MadVR was too dark. With the tree, the cloud HDR looked great, but there was severe black crush in the branch shadows. MadVR might be best for cheaper projectors (Epson, etc) sop that they're closer to the JVC for less.
Good information but I kinda prefer the bright colorful & saturated look of the uncalibrated demo but of course seeing in person in your room might change my opinion.
It’s definitely difficult to capture visually what I’m seeing with my own eyes. I will be spending quite a bit of time with a calibrated and then want to switch back to uncalibrated I will share my thoughts in a future video.
It’s definitely difficult to capture visually what I’m seeing with my own eyes. I will be spending quite a bit of time with a calibrated and then want to switch back to uncalibrated I will share my thoughts in a future video.
It’s definitely difficult to capture visually what I’m seeing with my own eyes. I will be spending quite a bit of time with a calibrated and then want to switch back to uncalibrated I will share my thoughts in a future video.
@@Youthman that's true it's impossible to capture these differences on a camera and on top of RUclips video compression but really interested to hear your thoughts after prolonged use.
@@Youthman The eyes take time to adjust for dark/light and after a while the perception will make the calibrated scenes look brighter, so switching forward/backward will trick the eye a bit.
I think a lot of it is personal preference. Personally, I find vivid to be unwatchable (overblown) and calibrated to be the exact opposite (dark and green with funky skin tones).
I personally prefer Sony Standard switched to Warm 1 color temp (you could do Warm 2) and then I change the color by +7. If I bought a new TV like an A95L, the first thing I would do is put it next to the old TV and color match it because that's a bigger change than OLED vs Mini LED imho. If I can't color match, I would literally hire a calibrator, not to calibrate the TV but to color match it.
Also, the Ambient Light Sensor is an absolute must so that you can get balanced brightness throughout the day. Otherwise, it'll be too bright or too dim depending on the surroundings.
Decent video!!!
Thank you Youthman and Daniel. I enjoyed the ride. I will never be able to own such nice things, but it was very interesting to see how with the right equipment and technology your house theater experience can go a level above in my opinion than what is possible even in a public theater. I have never seen a picture look so perfect than I did today with your dream theater. 🙏👍😎👏👏
used market of gear can get you about 90% of the way there for under 5k all in including calibration.
Curious what all is included in that $5,000.
Contrast is based on an infinite value i.e. Black level. So 2 projectors with different brightness but perfect black will both have the same infinite contrast.
One will be able to produce a brighter more accurate image even if both are fully calibrated.
So don't confuse calibrated with accurate. Instead look at color volume which will say much more.
Great video! Projector calibration is an area where I need to increase my knowledge and skill.
@Youthman are you aware that since this video went live Daniel has finally corrected the record and said that the 60,000:1 native contrast is due to a stuck iris not a real increase in contrast based on calibration? Curious if anyone has bothered telling you this so you can fix the stuck iris and maybe correct the record here so everyone realizes what Daniel says in the video is not possible. You cannot double the native contrast through calibration.
This is the first I’m hearing of it. He initially had me test to see if the iris was stuck and we verified over FaceTime that was not the case. I will reach out to him now.
There is no confirmation as to why the measurement observed was as high as it was. What we do know is that we have multiple profiles with that same black floor, the correct exposure settings and multipliers were used per the president of Colorimetry Research, JVC’s first units of these new projectors did occasionally have sticky irises but Michael and I tested for this and AT THE TIME WE TESTED, there was no evidence of a sticky iris. At least one other Calibrator had experienced this issue with an NZ900 he had calibrated. These are the facts as we know them.
Additionally, if I go into the profile and manually update the black measurement, the Average dE remains almost unchanged.
@@Youthman its a shame and it appears as if you have been misled. If you remember some of us tried to point it out at the time but you weren't aware of issues. On the AVSForum Daniel has explained away the impossible 60,000:1 native contrast measurement by saying it was caused by a stuck iris (I can't post link in comments unfortunately). I just thought it would be appropriate if someone let you know what is going on.
@@DLPHomeCinema feel free to email me a link directly - michael@youthmanreviews.com
Can somebody explain why laser projectors aren't designed with the red and green phosphor already in the DCI-P3 or REC2020 corners, so the projector can cover the whole gamut natively? I understand that metal halide bulbs have a difficulty producing red, but I don't understand why they didn't choose a deeper green and red phosphor for their green and red base colors.
There is only a blue laser. Red and green are created from a yellow phosphor and the red and green from the yellow phosphor are not P3 primaries for either color. An additional filter is needed to clean up the light for these 2 colors to be pure enough to reach P3 primaries.
@@nicko880 Thanks, I figured it must be something like that. I never understood the yellow phosphor step, aren't there green and red phosphors, they used red and green phosphor in old televisions?
@@jeroenk3570 the engineering choice is beyond me. But considering JVC, Sony, Epson, and various DLP projector manufactures all do blue laser and yellow phosphor with very similar native color gamut results, then there is probably a very good reason for it.
@@nicko880 Thank you for your answers. It's probably the most efficient way to make a high light output, or something like that.
Reading through the comments and It seems like there are a lot of guys who prefer brightness above all else, which is something that has puzzled me since getting into this hobby in the late '90s. I mean, it's their money so they can do whatever they want, but I just never understood the obsession with brightness when it comes to TVs and projectors... Even before you showed the calibrated image, I thought the comparison scenes looked horrendous!
Also, you can tell there's a lot of people who aren't taking into account how difficult it is to properly capture an off-screen image with a camera, when judging the comparison shots.
I agree. We all have different preferences, and I am still very very new to calibration so I haven’t determined for myself which I prefer. I’m spending time with calibrated mode and eventually I want to switch back over to the uncalibrated mode to see what my thoughts are.
@@Youthman Do you actually use that High Bright mode? When I first got my JVC NP5 I used Natural and Filmmaker mode until I got it calibrated, and the difference between those and the calibrated image wasn't nearly as significant as the one you showed with your projector.
I am not sold on calibration either after this. Looks like my uncalibrated 1500 lumen projector I have now - and I want it to be brighter when I get a new JVC projector.
Yet, calibrated scenes seem so dark. Double contrast seems to be of no benefit if what you “bright!” The other ironic aspect is that you need a MADVR at $5000 additional cost to get the “perfect-picture”. If I was confused about calibration before, it is even worse now!
I have to be concerned now about what the performance would be with just the projector alone?! The picture might be properly accurate - but I sure do not like the overall result. Way to dark and $15-20 grand to boot plus the MADVR for another $5-7000? Yikes. How do you spell DISAPOINTMENT!
Dude the post calibration is incredible. Yes it loses pop and brightness but the realism looks amazing. I wish I could afford that setup.
Nice setup - But I'm baffled!... Why would you go to all that trouble and spend all that money in a DEDICATED room with that projector and MAD-VR, no less - then install a light floor and grey walls that bounce light back onto the screen??? (and that's without having seen the ceiling)... 😵 At least lay some black rug down in front of the screen, have dark curtains on the front side walls and black curtain masking for aspects under 2-39 !!! THAT would make an amazing difference for very little money.
That is a great question Adrian. When we moved into our home 17 years ago, the floorplan had a "media room." My wife and I thought this would be a great opportunity for me to have a dedicated home theater. It's not ideal, and it's certainly far from perfect. But I can assure you it brings INCREDIBLE joy to myself, my family and guests that we have over.
I absolutely could use velvet on the walls, completely darken the hand crafted cabinet that my friend built, and lay a black rug on the floor. But perfection isn't what I'm chasing. We created a room that allows us to unwind after a long week. A room that allows us to escape reality when needed. And a place that puts a smile on our face every time we sit down to watch a movie.
BTW, the light floor was installed 17 years ago when we moved into the home and was already laid before we found the home on the market.
@@Youthman Fair enough, although I'd definitely recommend at least buying a roll of matte black carpet that lives under the screen, and simply comes out to the 1st row when you're in "dedicated movie mode" and you want improved performance. I've done it in a few places. BIG difference for very little money or hassle. SO much to be said for making that front section disappear. The first time I did it - all my friends swore I'd done a massive projector upgrade, such was the difference!😁
@adrianbarac3063 when we move, I’ll definitely have dark carpet
For me I would want something in-between the two so long as its not clipping. Just like most people don't like a flat frequency response with sound but a slight bass boost. It's always better to go with whats more pleasing to you not whats the more accurate. Its a fact that nearly all (over 90%) of the worlds population prefers an image with more pop, so much so that its baked into all of our phones and apps as well as human genetics e.g. why a baby responds to a woman with red lips. Don't forget that most content we watch we have no clue what the actual scene was supposed to look like, where we don't really perceive a problem unless it looks completely unnatural.
Red faces and neon green grass doesn’t look very natural 🤷♂️
Do we like it, because we like it...or becasue it's what we are always subjected to, so we've become conditioned and expected to like it. Which came first, the pop, or the desire for the pop.....*ponders* but yeah the baby thing is evidence our brains like ooo shiney even before displays are really intoduced to us.
@@Youthman one thing peopel need to consider, color value, color volumn and color brightness, whiel related are not the same thing, you can have both the wrong shade and the wrong intensity to varying degree's, ther eis very little reason not to fix the color value's so they track correctly, there is a lot more wiggle room with color brightness. Hence the dynamic laser dimming. The goal is to get the colors to the right value's globally, then you can adjust and play with the overal brightness to bring back some of that impact. Kinda buried in this comment but I was surpzied hwo well brown looked , the guys face post cal, Brown is a VERY hard color to get to look right with light output vs light reflection. Looking at brown paint is differnt than looking at a video of a wall painted brown on a screen. But that was avery good natural looking brown.
@@Youthman "unless it looks completely unnatural". i also don't think this projector has the lumens to produce the color volume of the original scenes where on the nz900 the calibrated image would be brighter and have more pop. And on an even more expensive Christie better still.
@MW-ii5nb those are both above my budget. 😀
BT.1886 gamma should be used for SDR content not 2.4.
Congrats on the new MadVR! Props to ya Youthman! Enjoy - wish I could visit someday.
Oh! Mind if I ask what power amps are you running now?
All the best, Kevin
Thanks Kevin, I’m still running the Monolith 11X for my entire system.
@@Youthman Fantastic Sir. Monolith makes some great gear. I've been very lucky to find and fix 4 amps to use in my very budget system. Getting there - one dumpster dive at a time.
The calibration of your JVC made huge difference. Two thumbs up! Looks so natural now. Makes me want to recalibrate my 2010 Sharp Aquos 70" 1080p recycle bin rescue TV again. 4K is just a dream for me at this point - but someday - maybe.
I hope to meet you in-person someday.
All the very best to you and yours, Kevin
Does this only work for movies and shows? Would this work for live television or sporting games? Not sure if the meta data is there to read on those.
I really hope you let him know that you want to have a conversation 😂🤣😂🤣
Who is “him” and what conversation do we need to have?
Is it the color filter in the JVC that is sucking out the light in the calibrated mode? Did you try a calibrated mode without the color filter in place in the JVC? I hope to get an NZ800 at some stage,
Great video. it's odd, really like the owner here in the video, unlike the guy from dream media
Thank you for the kind words. I do my best to be as nice as I can both on and off camera. 😀
How much of the changes in the images that were shown were the madvr tone mapping and how much if it was the calibration. I just got a NZ800 but have yet to install it and am wondeing if it is a requirement to also get a MadVR or if I can enjoy the projector without it for a while.
Not sure how it would be a requirement.
You would just get the projector calibration done on the projector only. It won't be quite as good but it will still be a lot more accurate than the pj out the box.
The demo scenes give the impression of a huge light loss, like 50% or so, almost so dark it's hard to even see... I'm by no means sold on calibration now. I find that I care more about it looking good than looking "realistic", much like when I'm editing photos I take. I suppose I lean towards the impressionists view of things in that a painting is supposed to convey the feeling you felt looking at something rather than attempt to be 1:1 replica of reality.
I wish I could get the color accuracy from calibration and still maintain the original brightness before calibration. But unfortunately, you can’t have both. It’s very obvious that skin tones were way too red before calibration. The grass was neon green. I’m going to spend some time with it calibrated and then switch back pre-calibrated and share my thoughts maybe in future video
@@Youthman I believe that if your calibrator is using the color filter on the JVC that may be accounting for your brightness loss. The JVC Color Filter ends up with a 32% light loss when used. You can still have a calibrated picture without the color filter in place, it just means you get ~85% of DCI-P3 instead of 100% which you may only notice on a few scenes in colors. I would take the extra brightness over the few scenes the color filter may benefit you. YMMV.
@@spizzy7996 It sounded liek they weren't using the filter, though it also sounds like you can, and likely did calibrate for both it in and out of place. I think it did dim some, I went in to more detail in another comment as to why and the pros and cons, but I also think it's very likely that, you just aren't getting a very accurate representation of the before and after without both images on same time side by side because of the camera. Even if they were side by side vs a/b the differnces in what we see on our displays through his camera and the file compression won't really track. That's probably obvious, and unavoidable. Just on it's face, we're looking at a calibrated image captured on a likely uncalibrated camera, run through editing sofware and whatever color work it's doing, plus likely a change in file formats, possibly more than once. And all that's before the very simple fact that camera sensors do not see light and colors the same way as our eyes, nor are they as good at adjusting. He probably had the exposure on the camera locked down, so it's "fair" and so one didn't clip/blow out the image going back and forth or have a lot of noise introduced, but I suspect after a few seconds their eyes properly adjusted to the new average picture leval and the images perceived brightness were a lot closer and not as jarring. I'll be the first to admit the post calibrated representation felt lifeless and dull by comparison, not a fan...right now. But in person once used to it, I'd be wlling to bet it'll be an overal more enjoyable experience moving forward. Make sure you give us a follow up!
@@Youthman I'd like to hear that YM. Like someone else said below regarding accuracy, with audio we don't like a flat frequency line preferring a slight bass boost etc so I'm wondering if in time will you prefer an image that's a "halfway point" between calibrated accuracy and factory settings. If that happens I'd be really interested to see how you go about achieving that . Thanks for the awesome content mate..
You made a very good assessment. I did do my best to make sure everything was locked down in the camera like aperture, shutter speed, ISO and color temperature but there are often times I record my screen and I’m not saying the same colors or the same exposure I’m seeing in person as what I’m seeing in person. I definitely want to spend some time playing with it myself with some other real world content and share my thoughts in a future video of what my preference is.
In 34:26 the green looks fine but the sky gets a reddish tone. That cannot be right.
Unfortunately, my camera isn’t the most accurate when capturing a display whether it be a TV or a projected image
Hi Youthman didn't you recently go from N7 to Z8? Why move to the Z800??? If light output is an issue you should bite the bullet and go Z900 or Z9
Yes the issue was with light output on the NZ7. It wasn’t quite enough to fill a 150 inch diagonal screen.
The NZ8 to the NZ800 is more of a lateral move, but I had the opportunity to do so, so I did. Keep in mind this is my full time vocation. I wouldn’t recommend for consumers to upgrade from the NZ8 to NZ800 as it’s only an incremental upgrade.
Keep in mind it’s an additional $10,000 to upgrade to the NZ900. Not in the budget.
So this roughly 16k later to get it calibrated like that? A JVC only calibration wouldn’t get you a similar image? I’m not talking about the aspect ratio stuff MaDVR would fix, just calibration.
MadVR Envy gives you the ability to do highly accurate 1D and 3D luts which are theoretically much more accurate than what you can do with JVC alone. Also these luts are automatic so you basically just get everything setup, point the meter and Calman and Envy can then do everything automatically. The cost of the Envy is inconsequential - no one is paying it just for calibration, you pay for the entire package and everything it can do.
@youthman & Daniel, greetings! Thank you for sharing. See you soon in Portland Daniel.
Did you get a calibration only valid for SDR? How useful is a SDR calibration when most of the content nowadays is offered in HDR? Just trying to learn ;)
Im still learning too. I have a madVR Envy Extreme MK2 processor that handles HDR.
@@Youthman So your bluray player / streaming device generally sends a HDR signal to your Anthem processor which is then converted to SDR by MadVR? So that your projector always receive a SDR signal, since your calibration was done in SDR? Am I right? 🤔
Truthfully, I’m not sure how it works. Video is not my are of expertise, but I’m slowly learning.
@@Youthman That's fine. I sometimes wish I had studied in audio / video rather than software engineering.
I read that both MadVR and the Panasonic UB820 can convert HDR to SDR while still BT.2020 color space. I was just wondering if my Epson 5050UB is good enough to handle HDR, or if it is better to have a single calibration profile for SDR, and always convert to SDR.
I'll keep reading about this. Have a great day, Michael!
The Envy converts HDR -> SDR so you only need to calibrate the JVC to SDR with your desired colorspace and the Envy will handle everything else. Envy can send tone mapped SDR Rec 2020 to the projector. Some people like to use separate calibrations for HDR and SDR and change the laser settings (making HDR brighter than SDR) but there is no need to.
Anyone know the price range for a professional calibration like this? Asking for a friend 😅
They can range from $500 - $3,000 or even more. It really depends on who the calibrator is.
Hey youthman does everything have to look so dark even though it's calibrated and do you have to lower the contrast level to achieve this
We watched guardians of the Galaxy last night and it was plenty bright enough in calibrated mode. I’m not sure if it’s my camera that is making it look so much darker in the video.
Thanks in years to come will projectors still be the thing of the century I have a 1080p projector but still try to make it look decent in picture quality
@lyndonramchatesingh105 anything can change as technology evolves but I don’t see them going anywhere anytime soon. Especially until they can figure out a way to put a center channel speaker directly behind the display.
Thanks so much have a blessed evening
Just saw your new post of the elac debut 3.0 how are they gonna compare to the klipsch rp600m ii I was thinking about getting dali rubicon 2 or monitor audio gold 100 5g not sure if I should it cost so much
I feel like I would need to have a calibration done before watching my projector. I know my eyes would adjust, but I feel like I would be losing vibrancy or brightness.
I was wondering the same thing, but last night we watched guardians of the Galaxy and it’s absolutely bright enough. At no time that I feel it was too dark.
Awesome. That was fun.
i dont get the envy products? Overpriced HTPC's that you could build yourself without the huge mark ups? What am i missing here?
The hardware is one thing, it's the software that sets it apart. The software is what automatically sets the aspect ratio to fill your screen at any given time, especially given all the different ratios that exist now, and some people want to avoid black bars at all costs (literally). The color adjustment and tones are secondary.
Check out the Envy Core which is now targeting people like you - the HTPC DIY crowd. You can now have an Envy for under $5,000.00 which isn't a huge stretch over a high end HTPC and believe me the Envy is significantly more user friendly and more capable than an HTPC.
I don't think its possible to get 60k to 1 contrast with the ap wide open, I have the NZ800 myself but haven't calibrated it yet. my NZ8 at -4ap laser at 46, 95 nits I got 42K to 1
It is not possible but they still refuse to acknowledge this reality.
I can’t answer how because this is all above my knowledge base.
Some have asked if the iris was closed down to get that amount of contrast.
Daniel was talking with Kris Deering and Sammy Prescott a few days ago as they are all good friends and they wanted to make sure the iris was not stuck, even though the indicator in the projection menu shows it open.
So I did a test with Daniel on Facetime to see if the iris might have been partially closed. We turned on the projector, let it warm up for 20 min, took a measurement of a paused image. And then close the app all the way down, opened it all the way up, closed it all the way down and then all the way back up again.
And we got the same exact measurement with the iris wide open before and after the test. I could also see the projector dimming each step of the aperture in the menu.
Thanks for this video.
first , I think showing these demos is missing the point here.. almost no one knows this content.
showing clips from movies that are actually familiar to most makes more sense because we have some point of reference.
I am not an expert but the before/after seems like going from slightly vivid picture to a much dimmer one, almost like the "before" is taken place in a sunny spring day and the "after" is in the winter.. HDR, or for that matter madvr, are not supposed to work like that. you are supposed to maintain the original intent of picture.
The point of reference is most people know what grass looks like, or the skin tone of a face. Grass in the before looks a bit neon green. No matter what part of the US or even out of the country I’ve been to, I’ve never seen neon grass. Ever. 😀
@@Youthman Michael, I get you :) but the grass is not the issue, the entire picture is.
The 2 options here seem to be between colors that look more alive vs much dimmer. look at the picture of the town, one looks like its summer, the other looks like a stormy day.. which is correct?
the entire demo is supposed to be in hdr, right? so the changes are puzzling... madvr should do tone mapping and bring some shadow detail back, not change the entire image..
Just had my NZ9 calibrated this week. 5x improvement in native contrast because of a wrong setting somewhere in my Lumagen. Not to mention the massive color improvements.
That's awesome when you see the benefits from calibration.
@Youthman For sure. Thanks to Darrell Atkinson at Custom Calibrations in Indian Trail, NC and Kris Deering at Deep Dive AV for the help.
@@Zachary_Setzer, I'm in Indian Trail and have tried contacting Darrell before. I think we are probably a few miles from one another. I ended up having ChadB come out for calibration of my NZ8. That was before I had a Lumagen. I wonder if I should try reaching out to Darrell again.
@dropzone7 Nice! Chad did a calibration for me a few years ago. Great work and a great guy as well.
This was my second time using Darrell. Not sure about the communication difficulty you had in the past. He has been responsive to me on both occasions. He responds to texts at the number listed for Custom Calibrations on Google as well as the email listed on the website. Maybe try one of those if you want to reach out to him again in the future. I'm planning to have him come back and do two of my TVs.
It seems you guys did your best to kill all the bonus brightness with the upgrade.
You can make it look natural and slightly overblown rather than super dim and natural.
If you ask me I would take all the brightness boost having 39.000:1 contrast.
But it's personal preference
Youthman: Are you going to CEDIA next month?
Yes I have 8 brands that I will be filming.
@@Youthman Great!
Meanwhile, my comment about your projector’s calibration, albeit EXCELLENT AND way over my head in technical detail, is that (maybe) it’s - too aggressive? Seems it’s gone too far into dealing with “contrast” at the expense of “brightness”. I say that because for only losing 3 nits overall, which is phenomenal, all the “brightness punch” - disappeared?! I find that very perplexing. Is there not a more middle ground? (In any event, I am hoping that JVC chooses to announce replacements for its lower cost projectors and maybe Sony too? Safe travels!)
What happened to Nick? I thought he usually does your calibrations?
Nick lives in Wisconsin and was traveling to Florida and offered to calibrate my NX7 when I had it.
Since then, I have upgraded from the NZ7 to the NZ8 and now the NZ800.
Daniel was traveling to Florida and offered to calibrate my projector while he was here.
Did you sell your NZ8?
Yes one of my subscribers bought it a few months ago.
Daniel is an awesome calibrator, and super cool dude.
Agreed!
It’s funny because all the JVC guys are always hanging their hats on color saturation. This is what they knock Sony for as they prioritize sharpness and color accuracy. Well this calibration looks amazing; it looks like a Sony lol
It seems that madvr makes pictures dark
It's not the madVR really, it's the calibrated setting. This was calibrated in a scientific fashion using skill and state of the art analysis hardware so it's going to be quite accurate to where it's supposed to be versus the real world. But we do like having colors really pop and things being very bright, which is why that's how these units come. Real life doesn't have neon green grass so the projected image shouldn't either.
Only losing 3 nits after calibration is insane. The NZ800 is an evolution in JVC laser projector from what anyone who has seen one is reporting.
That was my only concern with calibration. I didn't want to lose the light output.
Yes it is.
@youthman Loved this video! Been awhile since you did a video quite like this. I don’t have a projector, nor do I plan on getting one, but I still really enjoyed this video. :) ….Room tour?
Thank you kindly. Room tour is definitely a need! I’m 2-3 years overdue 🤣
Calibration on a projector really makes it look bad.
Look how much brightness you lose. That's not usable.
Calibration on a flat panel tv actually looks good, because you have enough brightness to use.
The projector scene honestly needs dolby vision implementation and take this madvr out of the system chain. Its too expensive and kind of worthless
I would encourage you to see it in person.
THOSE COLUMS ARE KIND OF TACKY
So is your comment. 🤣
That pull out shelving/rack is always paying off for your installs and changes. If you added a hinge on the left railing that will allow you to pull the cabinets out and swivel the right side outward at the end of it's travel would be sweet. Probably easier said than done. But limber or not contorting yourself is only a matter of time before strain. Or a longer railing that has one extra extension.
Thanks. That bottom cabinet with gear probably weighs 400 - 500 lbs.
Great idea but no hinge or that side of the cabinet would hold that weight . The calculated real load of that gear 8 to whatever feet away from the hinge would be enormous..
That is correct a hinge is not going to work. The rail itself drags as you could see. I struggle to slide it out to the full extent with it fully loaded with gear.
Heavy duty Casters. Engineerium can make it happen. 😅 then It'd be defeating the purpose of sleek and hidden. Huge bank vault hinges aren't exactly the HT decor trend. Unless you stamp trinnov or you specifically bought the audiophile hinges. Then it's a great addition.
Interesting topic. I bough Epson 6050UB a month ago and I still wonder how to make the picture as good as possible. I don't have any aditional tools.
Most people don’t, myself included. You either enjoy it like it is, buy the software and tools and learn how to calibrate yourself or hire a professional.
this proves the JVC tone mapping is inferior to Sonys. JVC artificially adds way too much highlights especially to dark scenes whereas I bet your calibrated picture + mad VR is very similar to what the Sony projectors would display especially in dark scenes.
Keep in mind when I was doing MWAVE, during side by side blind A/B comparisons between JVC and Sony projectors, most preferred JVC. We did that comparison for two years.
@@YouthmanCompare a JVC to an OLED TV by playing the same dark scene. I bet you the JVC will show too much detail and is not the directors intent. The Sony will match what the OLED shows. Sonys are also much sharper and show more detail.
It went from 90% there out of the box just needed a bit of tweaking to tone down the saturation in especially green. The demo scenes are designed to show the colors pop not to be real life accurate. The demos looked like a Windows XP commercial from the 90's. Myself personally I know what my eyes like and when something is off and needs a bit of adjustment to get perfect, as far as this calibration goes I am not a fan it just looks off and not right even though it is right on measurement and photography for movies it lacks luster.😊
Well, we are seeing it through our own screens and its calibration, after it has been captured by a camera. It's also different when you're in the room with a giant screen and your eyes adjust. With RUclips you also get compression. Basically, when it comes to either audio or video conveyed via a RUclips video, the most it can do is give you some idea of the difference, not really an idea of how the end result is on site.
This is a typical RUclips video misleading consumers, why do a/b comparison with a JVC in high bright mode to a calibrated Envy profile? why not just do a proper JVC calibration? And the calibrated image looks off on camera.
How about the contrast measurements? Any calibrator knows that off the screen measurements is very unstable and can have huge errors, and the CR100 meter used is not a specially good low light meter, so the 60000:1 native contrast should ring a bell, and demand a proper off the lens measurement, and investigation into what went wrong, but doubt the calibrator knows how, and when he is at it he could document the 1-2-3-4-5% ire gamma tracking, and see if the envy got that right.
Its not uncommon to see calibrators mess up display so they are worse than uncalibrated out of the box settings. So the word calibration holds no quality stamp or value these days.
Try again.
You’re welcome to believe what you want to believe.
@@Youthman Would be better if someone who had a clue about how to use meters and calibration software would have a constructive dialog, instead of a content creator who only have interest in content for the sake of content. Its misleading comparison and marketing, and your contrast measurements is potentially very very misleading.
If you say so.
@@kurthjmark7209 must be fun at parties. You come in here and accuse people of not knowing what they are doing. You made your point in your first post. Leave it at that and move along. As far as Youthman, he has brought tons of content and and I'm sure a lot of people into the home theater space with his videos.
@@ReaperReef When you have a black level that changes this massivly that you go from 30000:1 to 60000:1 something is wrong, the projector have a native minimum black level, there is a lot of variables and options, laser dimming? bad factory setup, error reading off the screen, contrast cant be measured off the screen on these projectors. How do you measure contrast?
This video is deceitful. You don't gain contrast from calibration. You gain it by closing down the Iris, which causes significant brightness loss, so you have to crank laser power to compensate (assuming you have the headroom to do so).
Calibration = increased color accuracy
Closed down iris = increased contrast
Last night, we did a test to see if the iris was stuck. It wasn’t. I had the same lux measurement when fully open after we closed the iris all the way down and opened it back wide opened.
@@Youthman It is physically impossible to change contrast capability of a device through color calibration.
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@@Youthman Everyone is telling you what I have been saying. Why not take this opportunity to learn and understand instead of just throwing your hands in the air and pretending everything is normal?
@@Youthman I made a new comment also but wanted to specifically comment here - Daniel has confirmed on AVSForum that this was due to a stuck iris.
Nifty.
Really helpful and entertaining video. I'm not sure I prefer the calibrated images....it would take an adjustment, Once I was used to it, I'd likely appreciate it but it's like hey, where did my vibrancy go..
Yeah, that’s what I’ve got to decide if the changes are negative impact on the overall experience. The good thing is since we’re using the madVR envy, we can change whatever settings we want. If we are updating LUT in the projector, that wouldn’t be possible (at least that’s my understanding).
Your home and home theater are so awesome I have difficulty comprehending that you're thinking about selling your home and moving down to the same neighborhood that Michelle Moremon has her new house. Those homes are great but they're cookie cutter. Yours is unique please consider keeping it!
We haven’t decided where we’re going to live, but it makes much more sense to live close because we can build the business much faster when we’re able to collaborate and meet together.
You are correct, those would not be my dream home, but I could handle living there for two or three years before we could build our dream home. I’m patient.
Might be another year before it happens.
The footage with Mad VR looked horrible and dull. I would be returning the box straight away.
You do you.
Calibrating is always worth it. It’s a requirement for projectors
You man are rich 😢
Not yet. But I am debt free (other than my home) and have three businesses. Hard work pays off over time.
@@Youthman I suspected , you are buisnessmen 😊👍👍 It's great that you have time to use your top home theater in all this 😎
I took what I’m most passionate about and turned it into a business. To me, there’s nothing better than doing what you love.
@@Youthmanto turn it the other way though you turned something that was honest, genuine, and passionate into a disingenuous channel whose content is sold to the highest bidder. People are only going to watch commercials for so long. Please consider doing at least some real content.
@@DLPHomeCinema you are welcome to your opinion of me, even though you don't know me personally. What you fail to understand is you can love what you do, make a living doing it and it still be genuine and authentic. How is having my projector calibrated and sharing that on my channel not considered "real content"? This was my first time meeting Daniel. He is extremely knowledgeable and a gentleman. We had a great time hanging out the entire day.
Didn’t you just upgrade to an nz8??
Yes 11 months ago. Keep in mind, these are my tools as a content creator. Most people would not upgrade from NZ8 to NZ800. Both are amazing projectors.
All good! I’m just jealous. 😊. Us “normal folk” who can’t get MadVRs (at least yet) do appreciate your older videos trying to squeeze out performance from what ya got. Definitely keep up those videos of reviews and tweaks vs new hardware.
@gary1488 Don’t worry, I have a pair of $400 Elac Debut 3.0 in for review. Budget friendly HSU sub as well.
Awesome. Now wouldn’t mind a video on benefits of a video processor on an NZ type projector if you have a 16:9 alr screen. Seems like scope is the main reason to get it but be nice to really get a full list of benefits.
I recently had an interview with Richard Litofsky on the new Envy Core - ruclips.net/video/S917aDt90Tc/видео.htmlsi=TKE3zaNA3YAigQeq
Take a look in the description of that video there’s a link to a comparison chart of all of the features
To me it's bit funny that you need a calibration to the projector that expensive...at least here in my country that is 16000€ projector ...you could easily think that that expensive projector would already calibrated when you buy it..🙄
Calibration changes based on aperture, laser level, throw distance, screen, room conditions, filter usage. Impossible to be calibrated out of the box for everyone.