I love you all, I’m a Kurd in Australia and not Jewish, I’m helping to fight this battle one person at a time, my mother has become very pro Israel, I spoke to a disillusioned Jew who hated Israel’s impact on antisemitism however he is such a strong ally of Israel now. I have converted Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Australians and many more. Some people also message me saying they have taken on the fight too and have converted others to actually see the truth and stop the hate ❤🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
So how do we stop the pro Hamas protesters threatening Jewish people born in Australia years ago from being attacked verbally and physically. Now also, many First Nations have aligned with pro Hamas and the Australians CC for Palestinian support terror and October 7 because they chant from the river to the sea.
My father's family were Jews from Anah, Iraq. My father told me his grandfather looked like a Kurd; tall, strong and trim and that Mosul, Kurdistan was nearby. He always spoke highly of the Kurds who he admired.
It’s a good initiative for black jewish people to talk to black Americans. Especially since the meme of “Jews are just white colonizers” is so pervasive.
It matters who gives a shit about religion, build your own Africa no one will respect you begging, just because I'm Christian doesn't mean europe is my home I'm Asian 😊
Many blacks in the US still identify themselves as black, that's the only black people referred to in regards to intersectionality; as they align themselves with the Muslim brotherhood against Israeli
Vivian really showed her true colours, being critical of BLM and identity politics should not warp your view to the realities of humanity as constructed, representation always mattered since the history of time, and it's quite rich that all she took from law school is to make every setting a court room.
I cried tears of joy to hear Ashira speak about the meeting and the plans going forward to tour with their knowledge and their message. I think it's such a great idea and was so shocked to hear that response.
Ashira makes excellent points and observations about reaching the black, African American community. Possibly as a Canadian, Vivian can't fully understand the complex relationship and morally unconscionable treatment that these American citizens experienced over generations. CRT has been misused, misinterpreted and popularized in ways that have done an injustice to its original purpose in law schools and universities. Institutionalized racism, government redlining, Jim Crow laws have very deep, pervasive and insidious roots in our history. I would recommend The Condemnation of Blackness by Dr. Kahlil Gibran Muhammad, a scholarly study . As a US citizen, I stand with Israel, and am profoundly disturbed by many in my party, the so called liberal progressives as well as the opportunists, who are not only morally equivalent but perpetuate the anti semitic tropes and demonization of Israel. Ashira, however, would be just the right spokesperson to reach out to our African American citizens.
You ladies are precious to me. Of course, my favorite part of your show is always to find out the Scumbags & Heroes of the Week choice from each of "The Quad" members. Vivian, I understand your disdain for DEI. I abhor that ideology too. I am white and DEI is reverse discrimination. However, I am on Ashira's side on this issue and thankful she is willing to take on the task. Unfortunately, I think it is the best way to start the conversation. In my humble opinion, it is a good idea to have a black Jew blow up the lies that are believed by a part of the black population that is anti-Semitic. I love all of you ladies and remember that you love each other too.
Love ur show. I honor the woman going to the HBCU’s b/c she sees she is uniquely situated to be heard. 👏🏻👏🏻I too grew up to be “colorblind,” yet as an academic, I see ignorance & hate on campus everywhere. I say proudly #amyisraelchai.
Salute ladies. Ashira has taken on a brave task - amazing. Its a reality, how to break down the barriers. A guiding star to each of you for your great work. From South Africa. ❤
Humans are what they are....they trust the people similar to them more...and right now we need to unfortunately show the world that there is all colours in Israel to konter the wrongful thought that Israel is a Apartheid state. Ideologically i would rather think we should be able to listen to each other never mind the colour. The problem is that the people who hate Israel, hate even more to find out they are wrong and really get mad if you show them facts that Israel is the most multicultural and liberal places of the world
I disagree that Jews "decided" to be white. No, they were just themselves and decided often to work hard and study hard. What is wrong is deciding who to support or who to connect with based on skin color. I am so sick of skin color being the main focus, instead of character and merit.
That's assuming that white people work hard and study hard? And others may be don't? Not sure if that's what you meant to say but I don't think Jews were ever given a choice anyway. There's no space on those forms to check that you are Jewish.
At the same time let's be honest and acknowledge that the black community in the US has often allocated higher status to African-Americans who look whiter. It is a natural but unfortunate consequence of the racist history of our country
imo, the people who gripe the most about "identity politics" are some of the biggest practitioners of it. walking the walk speaks a lot louder than talking the talk. it seems like Ashira (sp?) was on the right track though, in recognizing that identities exist, and trying to get these groups to focus on fundamental values rather than physical characteristics. it clearly is not going to just happen on its own.
Love you guys. I am so glad that you are addressing this age old racism issue. People are created different by God ON PURPOSE! How boring life would be if we all had the same bodies; the same facial features and skills. I adore the beautiful variety of the human race. I am just an ignorant New Zealander, who is not at war with anyone, and I remember visiting America10 years ago and wandered into a lovely group of african americans who were lovely and friendly people, who just wanted to share food, sing together, and one really kind man gave me a CD of his songs which I still love, and know by heart. Good advice. Regarding loving enemies,
That racism has persisted in every generation, many generations ago the Jews were unaccepted because they weren't White enough... So they married White people.... Now all of a sudden they're too White... Just goes to show the old "they hate Jews for being poor when they're poor, they hate the same Jew for being rich when they're rich..." Really is a fact of existence for those people. Something the Arab world couldn't possibly comprehend.
Vivian really showed her true colours, being critical of BLM and identity politics should not warp your view to the realities of humanity as constructed, representation always mattered since the history of time, and it's quite rich that all she took from law school is to make every setting a court room.
i was with Xavier until he had to throw in the crack about 2 genders; the right wing (and others) spent decades on gay bashing, and now get ready for several more decades of trans bashing. that is exactly the kind of thing that creates, dare i say, identity politics. i have never understood the obsession that some people have with other people's crotches.
Vivian, I believe Ashira's point that black people will not listen to whites is true. I say that from personal, (although limited) painful experience. However, in stark contrast to her point, the clip of the young black man describing his experience of attempting to share his views with people who then turned on him for doing that might suggest that many people just don't want to listen to any viewpoint that doesn't seem to march in lock-step with their own. It was heartbreaking listening to that. That said, I wish you had been afforded the opportunity to make your points and ask your questions without interruption and without your having been shouted down. I respect your input and would have liked to have heard you out before the debate ensued. I love you and wish you all the best. God bless you. ❤
Let anybody who doesn’t listen to reason fall by their own ideas. If we want to overcome identity politics to move to human politics we need to stop playing into it. Reason sooner or later will be enough, especially when we are at this point in time: saying no to propaganda, and yes to reason
At minute 46:00. German music rights firm BMG, which signed Waters in 2016, recently parted ways with the 80-year-old rock star following a series of controversies including a slew of inflammatory remarks he made about Israel. No problem. Some other music company will sign him on. He doesn't need the money.
As far as the whole conversation about identity politics, I agree with that but it's more an issue of who the people you are trying to build Bridges with will actually listen to
I get you Asher’s but Vivian’s comments are valid. For her. I’m assuming she won’t be appearing at any conferences for black American people? But it’s so sad because it’s like making the black communities more marginalised!
Vivian has no understanding of the problem with the black community today. In the 1960s MLK said that he looked forward to the day when people would be judged by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. Unfortunately, although the black community iconize and revere MLK, they did not follow the teachings of MLK. Rather, they followed the ideology of Malcom X, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrikan, which was to see everything through the lens of color. Before going any further, I want to say that I do not like to generalize in my comments concerning any people group. People are all too complex to make generalizations such as “all white people” or “all black people”, etc. There are many, many thousands and perhaps many millions of black people who grew up disadvantaged in America, who grew up in a single parent household, who were monetarily poor, but who were raised by a Christian mother who instilled in her children that they could succeed, and their are many great black American leaders who despite their disadvantages growing up, ended up becoming very successful. One person that comes to mind is Dr. Ben Carson, who rose to become one of the greatest pediatric neurosurgeons in the world. His mother only had a third grade education, but she was a truly great mother, who refused to allow her two boys that she was raising alone to use their circumstances as an excuse to waste their lives. Unfortunately, when you just look at the statistics in the black community, this is not what is happening. Ashira is correct that Muslims began outreach to the black community in America, but it was long before Yasser Arafat. Cassius Clay was the first prominent black American who left his family’s Christian religion to embrace Islam, saying “Christianity was a white man’s religion.” This was in the 1960s. Cassius Clay felt the black community in America was oppressed by white America and Muslim leaders reached out to him and exploited his own bias and personal perspective to introduce him to Islam. They told him that Christianity was a white man’s religion and if he wanted to break free from white man’s oppression, it needed to begin with his throwing off the white man’s (Christianity) to embrace Islam. So he embraced Islam and changed his name to Muhammad Ali. Soon after, there were others, like NBA basketball star Lou Alcindor, who left the Christian religion to become a Muslim, changing his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Many radical black groups began springing up in America in the 1960s and 70s, such as the black panthers and the black Muslim movement. Muslim leaders realized they could play to the black community’s feelings of being oppressed by white America to turn black people away from Christianity and gain converts to Islam. Louis Farrikan became a famous black Muslim leader who gained quite a following of black people, who like Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali viewed whites as oppressors and blacks as the oppressed, but who would no longer tolerate white oppression. Meanwhile in America, there were people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who made their livings exploiting black people’s feelings of being oppressed by whites and they extorted white owned companies, in order to enhanced themselves monetarily under the guise of helping the oppressed black community. BLM did this same thing in 2020 and 2021, before being exposed in 2022 by how much the leaders in this group were making, the multiple million dollar homes they owned and how they weren’t helping any black communities. There is a strange similarity that black Americans share with Palestinians in Gaza. Both have been raised from the time of their birth to believe that they are an oppressed people group. Black children, by and large, were breast fed this lie and were raised to believe that everything wrong with their living conditions was due to the oppressor white man wanting to keep them down and not allowing them to succeed. They believed this lie, which caused them to say “then why try to succeed; just live lawlessly.” As a result, black men make up a disproportionate amount of incarcerated males in America. Likewise in Gaza, Palestinian children are breast fed this lie that Israelis are their oppressors and they have been raised to believe that everything wrong with their living conditions has been due to the Israeli oppressors. What do both of these groups have in common? What they have in common is that neither of these groups wants to take responsibility for their own living condition. It’s easier to blame someone else. It’s unfortunate, but when children are fed these lies from birth, it is hard to dissuade them from this ideology when they are grown. Back to what Ashira was saying about Yasser Arafat; yes, Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO also sought to exploit the mindset of at least the extreme fringe of black radicals in America to identify with the plight of the Palestinians, who were being oppressed by white Jews, which of course is nonsense. So whereas I can understand Vivian’s viewpoint of not wanting to by into the whole CRT agenda, the truth is that you need to realize that you are dealing with a form of cult ideology in the radical black community, and that this cult like belief is based on the premise of a lie. So you need to meet these people in the black community where they are and in a sense, begin to deprogram them by giving them the truth. Show them that the idea that Jews and Israelis in particular are all white people (thus white oppressors) is a farce. Well done Ashira for explaining your point, and well done Fluer for acting as a referee.
Based on the conversation I watched, I think there's no way to really know what Vivian's understanding is. She was cut off and shouted down repeatedly and Fleur was clearly supporting Ashira's reaction over Vivien's incompletely delivered remarks. She had several points she wanted to make and questions she wanted to ask but was not allowed to make her points or ask her questions. At worst, she could be accused of wanting to uphold the ideal of character over color. That idealism got her squashed in this debate and totally shut down, but at least it was acknowledged by the end. In any case, I think the history lesson you just delivered was excellent and incredibly helpful to me in unraveling some of my knotted experience of the 60's and 70's - I lived through it but couldn't make sense of ANY of it beyond good men were being assassinated left and right and there was despair everywhere. Your comment was profoundly insightful, incredibly educational, and deeply courageous. Thank you for sharing it.
If you're surprised that SA could take us to the ICJ with their human rights record, you have not been paying attention. Maybe you should get hosts who understand the situation better.
Hello, could you do a show on the implications of the UK and USA recognising a Palestinian state and how Israel can legally respond to charges of occupation, consequential international sanctions, and how it could achieve its goal of security presence everywhere "West of Jordan" ?
Regarding Ashira's comments about the pastors: Unfortunately, many in the church don't read the bible and accept it at face value! If you do, if you are a true bible-believing Christian, you must support Israel. God's plans revolve around Israel.
What a shame when I hear just more of a push to separate by color. If we have come to the point that people only really listen to others just like themselves, we are truly in a sorry state. That is the last thing we need more of..
I agree 100% with Vivien. Since learning about the holocaust as a young teenager, then discovering the Bible in my late 20s, but especially since October 7th of last year - I've never been so convinced that every INDIVIDUAL will stand before God as an individual, and will personally answer for whether they blessed or cursed God's chosen people. Whether they touched the apple of His eye. Each person is given a conscience. We know deep down the difference between right and wrong. Plus, God has given us His Word and that's the standard by which we will be judged, without excuse. We've all been made abundantly aware also about racism and how, for example, black people were treated, just because they're black, how Jews are treated, just because they're Jews, etc. And what did that teach us? Well, exactly what Vivien just said. We're supposed to judge people by their character not their colour. White black or whatever. This isn't about getting the black community or another community on side with the Jews. Teach everyone the same right ideas across the board and let everyone take individual responsibility for their choices. But the same principles of right and wrong apply to everyone. If you hate or despise anyone just because they're different to you or because they belong to a certain people group, that's wrong for you to do, no matter what colour or race you are or even if they are white!
It never really occurred to me to speak against anti Jew sentiment because traditionally it's been considered a thing of the past until the whole world on Oct 7 randomly has selective amnesia regarding the last 100 years.
Yes. The ideal is NOT to judge a person on the color of their skin. HOWEVER, it DOES require a Black Jew to have outreach to the American Black community for the plain reason that most Americans don't even know Black Jews exist.
As a follow-up question at what she says around 17 minutes in, does that mean that African-Americans would buy enlarged be totally fine with this happening to White non-jews somewhere? Is it primarily an anti-white thing? That's not the impression I have but I will keep listening
As a black person who lives in NYC and who has been disrespected and taken advantage of by Jews (i know, not all not all not all) many many many times in my life, we have zero solidarity…you’re on you’re own and please don’t come to us for any type of solidarity.
seriously? how many times could you possibly have been taken advantage of by Jews? i was robbed by black guys once, but I'm not going to refuse to ever give black people a fair shake until the end of time, or ditch all my own standards of right and wrong.
I think Vivien is right regarding black outreach. I think Ashira treats blacks with some slight stereotyping. Blacks are not as narrow minded as Ashira is making them out to be… Also, can this show interview some more progressive people like Naomi Klein, Peter Beinart, Daniel Levy, and Gabor Mate?
Why don't they talk about Jews who exploit black exploitation in media and entertainment. Helping produce negative stereotypes and providing incentives for it.
The settlers are stopping aid going in and has been for day s Get your heads from up your arse We all stand with Palestine you can no longer hide your atrocities Bring it on Aid is going no where The World is with us Have lovely day❤
East Africans are blacks and claim to be the original Jewish going back 4000 years. So when you say blacks you could actually be saying Jews. Think about that. Btw. Modern Jewish people are Jewish by faith. Take away the faith and examine the DNA the Jewish of today would be identified as European most Eastern European. It’s cool, to consider yourself Jewish just you can’t possibly say you are the actual Jewish of 2000 years ago they would DNA identify as Middle Eastern. I would say the East Africans have a better argument to claim being the actual Jewish as they claim to pre date even the ACTUAL Jewish you think you are by 500-1000 years.
your not reading the room, if your not realising israil is more isolated now than ever, second what kind of people would want to starve 2 million people? third your losing the war against hamas.
Lol. Who cares what the United dystopian nations, such as Iran, Syria, Yemen, China, Iran, south Africa, North Korea, Cuba and all the other non democratic countries think about Israel. Israel is fighting a self defence war against barbaric fundamentalists.
Apartheid when 2 million Arab muslims live in Israel with some serving in the Knesset, military, government officials, judicial institutions etc. But whatever. Ever wondered why there are barely any jews in the surrounding Arab nations? 900,000 Mizrahi jews were expelled from the surrounding Arab nations after the Arabs lost the war they started in 1948.
@@evamurray2564 Trevaudio might be referring to Palestinians living in Judea and Samaria who are not Israeli citizens. Israel conquered J&S in the 1967 war and has the right to 1) occupy it or 2) annex it. It can't make the residents of an occupied territory Israeli citizens, any more than the Americans would have imposed American citizenship on the Japanese during the time it occupied Japan after WW2. If Israel annexed Judea and Samaria and made it part of Israel, there would be pressure on Israel to grant the Palestinians a path to citizenship. But Israel can't remain a Zionist homeland state if it allows an unlimited number of Muslims to become citizens as they will eventually outvote the Jews, take control of the Knesset, and ethnically cleanse the Jews, as the jihadists' charters all pledge to do. So for completely practical reasons unrelated to any anti-Islamic or anti-Arab racism, Israel can't let all those Palestinians become Israeli citizens the way the 2 million Arabs in Israel are citizens. If that sounds like apartheid, so be it. In fact, Israel regards Judea and Samaria as "disputed" not "occupied." This allows them to police it to keep order and security but avoids them the obligation of granting full political rights to the residents. They can say in all honesty, well, we can't give citizenship to a population that lives in a territory that might not even belong to us in the first place. After all, the world says it wants a Palestinian state. If that ever gets resolved, the Palestinians will be citizens of that state. No reason for Israel to make them interim citizens of Israel. That's just a recipe for trouble. (This issue of the settlements in Judea and Samaria is a separate issue that I don't want to get into here. Except to say that people go where there is land. Always have, just like our ancestors did coming to North America. And here we still are.)
I agree with Vivian about the scunbag.... I dont want to be in a islam state but in a state where Bendvir and his supporters get power isnt the place i want to be either
I agree with Ashira and Fleur. There is so much false Palestinian propaganda and with the rise of antisemitism, we need to outreach to different communities to help dispel lies they heard about Jews being white privileged. People in general can relate and connect best with someone they perceive as having some things in common such as skin colour or language aspect and would be receptive to learn, listen to facts and have a conversation. Specially individuals who are in the fence. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🫶🏻💙🤍💙
The Nations which acknowledge Israel, are those which wield far more influence than Iran or any Arab State. Turkiye, Greece, United States, Russia, China, etc. acknowledge Israel... Of course there are acknowledgements of Fatah as well, however the Nations which acknowledge Israel without acknowledging Fatah far outweigh the Nations which acknowledge Fatah without acknowledging Israel. The balance of power is not in your favor no matter how much you'd like to believe that it is.
The type of country that acknowledges Fatah without acknowledging Israel is Iran and Qatar , from rogue states at the worst and non combatant anti Semites at best. . The type of countries which acknowledge Israel without any acknowledgement of Fatah are those with greater strength , power, and influence than Iran or any Arab state.
Many major Nations acknowledge both, but those which only acknowledge Israel without Fatah are far more influential and capable than those who acknowledge Fatah without Israel. The balance of power is genuinely not in your favor. You may hold a Delusion that it is, but it isn't.
I love you all, I’m a Kurd in Australia and not Jewish, I’m helping to fight this battle one person at a time, my mother has become very pro Israel, I spoke to a disillusioned Jew who hated Israel’s impact on antisemitism however he is such a strong ally of Israel now. I have converted Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Australians and many more. Some people also message me saying they have taken on the fight too and have converted others to actually see the truth and stop the hate ❤🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
My disillusioned Jewish friend all of a sudden woke up Jewish the next day and told me he would read the Torah ❤
So how do we stop the pro Hamas protesters threatening Jewish people born in Australia years ago from being attacked verbally and physically. Now also, many First Nations have aligned with pro Hamas and the Australians CC for Palestinian support terror and October 7 because they chant from the river to the sea.
Thank you ❤
It's always good to be on the side of the truth.
My father's family were Jews from Anah, Iraq. My father told me his grandfather looked like a Kurd; tall, strong and trim and that Mosul, Kurdistan was nearby. He always spoke highly of the Kurds who he admired.
It’s a good initiative for black jewish people to talk to black Americans. Especially since the meme of “Jews are just white colonizers” is so pervasive.
😂😂😂😂 judaism is a religion not a race or ethnicity lol & yes white European Jews are colonizers 😂
Correct. 100%. That is reality.
We are all Jews! Surely the colour of you skin shouldn't matter. I am South African!
😂😂😂😂 judaism is a religion that’s it guy racism is always going to happen
It matters who gives a shit about religion, build your own Africa no one will respect you begging, just because I'm Christian doesn't mean europe is my home I'm Asian 😊
Many blacks in the US still identify themselves as black, that's the only black people referred to in regards to intersectionality; as they align themselves with the Muslim brotherhood against Israeli
I'm an African and l stand with Israel unapologetically against the islamofascists of this world. Am Israel Chai 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
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I’m a Sistah and I’m proud of Ashira pushing back… we can stand on some abstract principle, or we can win.
Vivian really showed her true colours, being critical of BLM and identity politics should not warp your view to the realities of humanity as constructed, representation always mattered since the history of time, and it's quite rich that all she took from law school is to make every setting a court room.
or maybe both. principle and practice are best when they go together.
I cried tears of joy to hear Ashira speak about the meeting and the plans going forward to tour with their knowledge and their message. I think it's such a great idea and was so shocked to hear that response.
Good conversation & Xaviaer DeRousseau was a breath of fresh air. Thanks Quad!
Ashira makes excellent points and observations about reaching the black, African American community. Possibly as a Canadian, Vivian can't fully understand the complex relationship and morally unconscionable treatment that these American citizens experienced over generations. CRT has been misused, misinterpreted and popularized in ways that have done an injustice to its original purpose in law schools and universities. Institutionalized racism, government redlining, Jim Crow laws have very deep, pervasive and insidious roots in our history.
I would recommend The Condemnation of Blackness by Dr. Kahlil Gibran Muhammad, a scholarly study . As a US citizen, I stand with Israel, and am profoundly disturbed by many in my party, the so called liberal progressives as well as the opportunists, who are not only morally equivalent but perpetuate the anti semitic tropes and demonization of Israel. Ashira, however, would be just the right spokesperson to reach out to our African American citizens.
You ladies are precious to me. Of course, my favorite part of your show is always to find out the Scumbags & Heroes of the Week choice from each of "The Quad" members. Vivian, I understand your disdain for DEI. I abhor that ideology too. I am white and DEI is reverse discrimination. However, I am on Ashira's side on this issue and thankful she is willing to take on the task. Unfortunately, I think it is the best way to start the conversation. In my humble opinion, it is a good idea to have a black Jew blow up the lies that are believed by a part of the black population that is anti-Semitic. I love all of you ladies and remember that you love each other too.
Yes, it got a bit heated in there, I was going to suggest you all pause for a moment to remember that you love each other.
Love The Quad
Love Israel❤
My thoughts are that Australia too did what Canada did with funds for UNRWA..
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Love ur show. I honor the woman going to the HBCU’s b/c she sees she is uniquely situated to be heard. 👏🏻👏🏻I too grew up to be “colorblind,” yet as an academic, I see ignorance & hate on campus everywhere. I say proudly #amyisraelchai.
Salute ladies. Ashira has taken on a brave task - amazing. Its a reality, how to break down the barriers. A guiding star to each of you for your great work. From South Africa. ❤
Humans are what they are....they trust the people similar to them more...and right now we need to unfortunately show the world that there is all colours in Israel to konter the wrongful thought that Israel is a Apartheid state.
Ideologically i would rather think we should be able to listen to each other never mind the colour.
The problem is that the people who hate Israel, hate even more to find out they are wrong and really get mad if you show them facts that Israel is the most multicultural and liberal places of the world
Fleur cracks me up man!!! LOL!!! She reminds me of my Italian aunts who are always yelling/dancing and having fun at the family parties LOL!!!!
She does exude that sort of energy, you're right 😂
I loathe identity politics too! Great conversation ladies! Love from Australia to you all In Eretz Yisrael 🇮🇱 🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱✡️💙🙏🏼
Is being pro israel identity politics?
Amen to the destructive havoc from identiy politics! Judge a person by the character!
GOD BLESS ISRAEL
I disagree that Jews "decided" to be white. No, they were just themselves and decided often to work hard and study hard. What is wrong is deciding who to support or who to connect with based on skin color. I am so sick of skin color being the main focus, instead of character and merit.
That's assuming that white people work hard and study hard? And others may be don't? Not sure if that's what you meant to say but I don't think Jews were ever given a choice anyway. There's no space on those forms to check that you are Jewish.
At the same time let's be honest and acknowledge that the black community in the US has often allocated higher status to African-Americans who look whiter. It is a natural but unfortunate consequence of the racist history of our country
Josh, I think that was the point Vivien was trying to make.
Maaan it was heated...:D I stand with Ashira on this.
We need true unity
So today you guys are a Trio, instead of a Quad. LOL. 😂😂😂
Xavier is very real, authentic person.
I love this show. You all are wonderful people and have lovely hearts. Hugs
Beautiful program, ladies! Keep going.
Ashira you are fabulous!! Please keep this initiative up, we appreciate your efforts ❤❤❤
Martin Luther King said we are all equal
imo, the people who gripe the most about "identity politics" are some of the biggest practitioners of it. walking the walk speaks a lot louder than talking the talk. it seems like Ashira (sp?) was on the right track though, in recognizing that identities exist, and trying to get these groups to focus on fundamental values rather than physical characteristics. it clearly is not going to just happen on its own.
Love you guys. I am so glad that you are addressing this age old racism issue.
People are created different by God ON PURPOSE!
How boring life would be if we all had the same bodies; the same facial features and skills.
I adore the beautiful variety of the human race.
I am just an ignorant New Zealander, who is not at war with anyone, and I remember visiting America10 years ago and wandered into a lovely group of african americans who were lovely and friendly people, who just wanted to share food, sing together, and one really kind man gave me a CD of his songs which I still love, and know by heart.
Good advice. Regarding loving enemies,
Well said, Xavier!!!
And for some weird reason Israel is thought of as white.
That racism has persisted in every generation, many generations ago the Jews were unaccepted because they weren't White enough... So they married White people.... Now all of a sudden they're too White... Just goes to show the old "they hate Jews for being poor when they're poor, they hate the same Jew for being rich when they're rich..." Really is a fact of existence for those people. Something the Arab world couldn't possibly comprehend.
Vivian really showed her true colours, being critical of BLM and identity politics should not warp your view to the realities of humanity as constructed, representation always mattered since the history of time, and it's quite rich that all she took from law school is to make every setting a court room.
i was with Xavier until he had to throw in the crack about 2 genders; the right wing (and others) spent decades on gay bashing, and now get ready for several more decades of trans bashing. that is exactly the kind of thing that creates, dare i say, identity politics. i have never understood the obsession that some people have with other people's crotches.
Vivian, I believe Ashira's point that black people will not listen to whites is true. I say that from personal, (although limited) painful experience. However, in stark contrast to her point, the clip of the young black man describing his experience of attempting to share his views with people who then turned on him for doing that might suggest that many people just don't want to listen to any viewpoint that doesn't seem to march in lock-step with their own. It was heartbreaking listening to that. That said, I wish you had been afforded the opportunity to make your points and ask your questions without interruption and without your having been shouted down. I respect your input and would have liked to have heard you out before the debate ensued. I love you and wish you all the best. God bless you. ❤
Another informative and inspiring broadcast. Thank you 🎉
Whatever it takes to open a door, and things can Evolve from that point. ❤
Let anybody who doesn’t listen to reason fall by their own ideas. If we want to overcome identity politics to move to human politics we need to stop playing into it. Reason sooner or later will be enough, especially when we are at this point in time: saying no to propaganda, and yes to reason
At minute 46:00.
German music rights firm BMG, which signed Waters in 2016, recently parted ways with the 80-year-old rock star following a series of controversies including a slew of inflammatory remarks he made about Israel.
No problem. Some other music company will sign him on. He doesn't need the money.
You guys are GREAT. Always make me think after your shows 😊
Shira is on the money. Vivian is out to lunch on the issues in relation to the Black community
As far as the whole conversation about identity politics, I agree with that but it's more an issue of who the people you are trying to build Bridges with will actually listen to
This is so interesting lovely ladies
I get you Asher’s but Vivian’s comments are valid. For her. I’m assuming she won’t be appearing at any conferences for black American people? But it’s so sad because it’s like making the black communities more marginalised!
I hate identity politics too!
They see Israel as European colonialism, which also helps the alliance between the black & Muslim community.
Vivian has no understanding of the problem with the black community today. In the 1960s MLK said that he looked forward to the day when people would be judged by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. Unfortunately, although the black community iconize and revere MLK, they did not follow the teachings of MLK. Rather, they followed the ideology of Malcom X, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrikan, which was to see everything through the lens of color. Before going any further, I want to say that I do not like to generalize in my comments concerning any people group. People are all too complex to make generalizations such as “all white people” or “all black people”, etc. There are many, many thousands and perhaps many millions of black people who grew up disadvantaged in America, who grew up in a single parent household, who were monetarily poor, but who were raised by a Christian mother who instilled in her children that they could succeed, and their are many great black American leaders who despite their disadvantages growing up, ended up becoming very successful. One person that comes to mind is Dr. Ben Carson, who rose to become one of the greatest pediatric neurosurgeons in the world. His mother only had a third grade education, but she was a truly great mother, who refused to allow her two boys that she was raising alone to use their circumstances as an excuse to waste their lives. Unfortunately, when you just look at the statistics in the black community, this is not what is happening. Ashira is correct that Muslims began outreach to the black community in America, but it was long before Yasser Arafat. Cassius Clay was the first prominent black American who left his family’s Christian religion to embrace Islam, saying “Christianity was a white man’s religion.” This was in the 1960s. Cassius Clay felt the black community in America was oppressed by white America and Muslim leaders reached out to him and exploited his own bias and personal perspective to introduce him to Islam. They told him that Christianity was a white man’s religion and if he wanted to break free from white man’s oppression, it needed to begin with his throwing off the white man’s (Christianity) to embrace Islam. So he embraced Islam and changed his name to Muhammad Ali. Soon after, there were others, like NBA basketball star Lou Alcindor, who left the Christian religion to become a Muslim, changing his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Many radical black groups began springing up in America in the 1960s and 70s, such as the black panthers and the black Muslim movement. Muslim leaders realized they could play to the black community’s feelings of being oppressed by white America to turn black people away from Christianity and gain converts to Islam. Louis Farrikan became a famous black Muslim leader who gained quite a following of black people, who like Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali viewed whites as oppressors and blacks as the oppressed, but who would no longer tolerate white oppression. Meanwhile in America, there were people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who made their livings exploiting black people’s feelings of being oppressed by whites and they extorted white owned companies, in order to enhanced themselves monetarily under the guise of helping the oppressed black community. BLM did this same thing in 2020 and 2021, before being exposed in 2022 by how much the leaders in this group were making, the multiple million dollar homes they owned and how they weren’t helping any black communities. There is a strange similarity that black Americans share with Palestinians in Gaza. Both have been raised from the time of their birth to believe that they are an oppressed people group. Black children, by and large, were breast fed this lie and were raised to believe that everything wrong with their living conditions was due to the oppressor white man wanting to keep them down and not allowing them to succeed. They believed this lie, which caused them to say “then why try to succeed; just live lawlessly.” As a result, black men make up a disproportionate amount of incarcerated males in America. Likewise in Gaza, Palestinian children are breast fed this lie that Israelis are their oppressors and they have been raised to believe that everything wrong with their living conditions has been due to the Israeli oppressors. What do both of these groups have in common? What they have in common is that neither of these groups wants to take responsibility for their own living condition. It’s easier to blame someone else. It’s unfortunate, but when children are fed these lies from birth, it is hard to dissuade them from this ideology when they are grown. Back to what Ashira was saying about Yasser Arafat; yes, Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO also sought to exploit the mindset of at least the extreme fringe of black radicals in America to identify with the plight of the Palestinians, who were being oppressed by white Jews, which of course is nonsense. So whereas I can understand Vivian’s viewpoint of not wanting to by into the whole CRT agenda, the truth is that you need to realize that you are dealing with a form of cult ideology in the radical black community, and that this cult like belief is based on the premise of a lie. So you need to meet these people in the black community where they are and in a sense, begin to deprogram them by giving them the truth. Show them that the idea that Jews and Israelis in particular are all white people (thus white oppressors) is a farce. Well done Ashira for explaining your point, and well done Fluer for acting as a referee.
a few grains of truth in there, but not only are all Jews and Israelis not white oppressors, but not all white people are oppressors.
Based on the conversation I watched, I think there's no way to really know what Vivian's understanding is. She was cut off and shouted down repeatedly and Fleur was clearly supporting Ashira's reaction over Vivien's incompletely delivered remarks. She had several points she wanted to make and questions she wanted to ask but was not allowed to make her points or ask her questions. At worst, she could be accused of wanting to uphold the ideal of character over color. That idealism got her squashed in this debate and totally shut down, but at least it was acknowledged by the end. In any case, I think the history lesson you just delivered was excellent and incredibly helpful to me in unraveling some of my knotted experience of the 60's and 70's - I lived through it but couldn't make sense of ANY of it beyond good men were being assassinated left and right and there was despair everywhere. Your comment was profoundly insightful, incredibly educational, and deeply courageous. Thank you for sharing it.
If you're surprised that SA could take us to the ICJ with their human rights record, you have not been paying attention. Maybe you should get hosts who understand the situation better.
When you guys laughed about beig bullied online I was moved so much.
You are my heroes of the week❤
Hello, could you do a show on the implications of the UK and USA recognising a Palestinian state and how Israel can legally respond to charges of occupation, consequential international sanctions, and how it could achieve its goal of security presence everywhere "West of Jordan" ?
Regarding Ashira's comments about the pastors: Unfortunately, many in the church don't read the bible and accept it at face value! If you do, if you are a true bible-believing Christian, you must support Israel. God's plans revolve around Israel.
What a shame when I hear just more of a push to separate by color. If we have come to the point that people only really listen to others just like themselves, we are truly in a sorry state. That is the last thing we need more of..
There is a peaceful world in my dream without any tension, but I know it's a dream!
I agree 100% with Vivien. Since learning about the holocaust as a young teenager, then discovering the Bible in my late 20s, but especially since October 7th of last year - I've never been so convinced that every INDIVIDUAL will stand before God as an individual, and will personally answer for whether they blessed or cursed God's chosen people. Whether they touched the apple of His eye. Each person is given a conscience. We know deep down the difference between right and wrong. Plus, God has given us His Word and that's the standard by which we will be judged, without excuse.
We've all been made abundantly aware also about racism and how, for example, black people were treated, just because they're black, how Jews are treated, just because they're Jews, etc. And what did that teach us? Well, exactly what Vivien just said. We're supposed to judge people by their character not their colour. White black or whatever. This isn't about getting the black community or another community on side with the Jews. Teach everyone the same right ideas across the board and let everyone take individual responsibility for their choices. But the same principles of right and wrong apply to everyone. If you hate or despise anyone just because they're different to you or because they belong to a certain people group, that's wrong for you to do, no matter what colour or race you are or even if they are white!
So sad for those girls 😢 but love your shows ladies
At minute 36:00 Xavier never mentioned the Right of Return of Palestinian Refugees.
It never really occurred to me to speak against anti Jew sentiment because traditionally it's been considered a thing of the past until the whole world on Oct 7 randomly has selective amnesia regarding the last 100 years.
Yes. The ideal is NOT to judge a person on the color of their skin. HOWEVER, it DOES require a Black Jew to have outreach to the American Black community for the plain reason that most Americans don't even know Black Jews exist.
As a follow-up question at what she says around 17 minutes in, does that mean that African-Americans would buy enlarged be totally fine with this happening to White non-jews somewhere? Is it primarily an anti-white thing? That's not the impression I have but I will keep listening
Good job! Sorry for the hate you are getting but my comment to you will be thank you❤
Can you interview the Israel Guys??
From the river to the sea ISRAEL WILL ALWAYS Be.❤
Why don't the pastors put their collective power behind the Nigerian Christians being jean oh sided by Izlamists in Nigeria??
They are fence sitters!
As a black person who lives in NYC and who has been disrespected and taken advantage of by Jews (i know, not all not all not all) many many many times in my life, we have zero solidarity…you’re on you’re own and please don’t come to us for any type of solidarity.
Try to remember what Martin Luther king stood for. What happened to you? It’s a shame.
@@YB-ok1ny you see where it got him? We are not in solidarity and the lies need to stop.
Vivian showed why the black community will never accept Israel.
@@hu6284 Jews don’t want to do anything that will upset their place in the world but will help blacks…never
seriously? how many times could you possibly have been taken advantage of by Jews? i was robbed by black guys once, but I'm not going to refuse to ever give black people a fair shake until the end of time, or ditch all my own standards of right and wrong.
What about Dumisani Washington's group? Does Amb. Erdan have a relationship with them. Is his group too small to impact the black community.
Excellent and insightful discussion.
Noa Tishby is releasing a book she cowrote with Emmanuel Acho called _Uncomfortable Conversations with A Jew_
I think Vivien is right regarding black outreach. I think Ashira treats blacks with some slight stereotyping. Blacks are not as narrow minded as Ashira is making them out to be…
Also, can this show interview some more progressive people like Naomi Klein, Peter Beinart, Daniel Levy, and Gabor Mate?
She's black. Vivian is clearly an ideologue and is rejecting realities.
My SB is the Australian foreign minister
What’s an SB? Loathsome penny Wrong?
What do you think of Israel’s refusal to allow that UN ambassador a visa to enter Israel?
And on subject of black They just ant dart They stand with the right people and see the racism of Israel against Palestine people ❤❤❤
Why don't they talk about Jews who exploit black exploitation in media and entertainment. Helping produce negative stereotypes and providing incentives for it.
Ashira protested way too much. Enough of this identity politics based on external differences
The settlers are stopping aid going in and has been for day s Get your heads from up your arse We all stand with Palestine you can no longer hide your atrocities Bring it on Aid is going no where The World is with us Have lovely day❤
Who is the author (and Book) recommended at 13:40
If Black people think differently and that's unfortunate, why 'play' into that?
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Great stuff, but hard to listen to when you're talking over each other.
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South Africa does not have the "Benjamin's."
Vivian is wrong. Thank you Ms Solomon.
Don't worry about your nose! You're very cute!
Who is phucklestinian?
Ben gvir did nothing wrong. Kudos t him. Go call out shikma bressler . Pathetic
I do not like how she Throwing Shade at Malcolm X and Jesse Jackson
East Africans are blacks and claim to be the original Jewish going back 4000 years. So when you say blacks you could actually be saying Jews. Think about that. Btw. Modern Jewish people are Jewish by faith. Take away the faith and examine the DNA the Jewish of today would be identified as European most Eastern European. It’s cool, to consider yourself Jewish just you can’t possibly say you are the actual Jewish of 2000 years ago they would DNA identify as Middle Eastern. I would say the East Africans have a better argument to claim being the actual Jewish as they claim to pre date even the ACTUAL Jewish you think you are by 500-1000 years.
Pastors are often misguided. Like my Christian friends. Won’t even listen!
your not reading the room, if your not realising israil is more isolated now than ever, second what kind of people would want to starve 2 million people?
third your losing the war against hamas.
Wrong on all three counts. You are engaging in wishful thinking. Hamas is starving the Gazans by stealing their aid.
Lol. Who cares what the United dystopian nations, such as Iran, Syria, Yemen, China, Iran, south Africa, North Korea, Cuba and all the other non democratic countries think about Israel.
Israel is fighting a self defence war against barbaric fundamentalists.
Stay delulu, the house of card is crashing.@@lesliemacmillan9932
So the mayor woman thinks it’s ok to be pro apartheid etc…..just don’t say it loud !!!!! Wow !!
Well, you have to face reality.
Apartheid when 2 million Arab muslims live in Israel with some serving in the Knesset, military, government officials, judicial institutions etc. But whatever.
Ever wondered why there are barely any jews in the surrounding Arab nations? 900,000 Mizrahi jews were expelled from the surrounding Arab nations after the Arabs lost the war they started in 1948.
@@evamurray2564 Trevaudio might be referring to Palestinians living in Judea and Samaria who are not Israeli citizens. Israel conquered J&S in the 1967 war and has the right to 1) occupy it or 2) annex it. It can't make the residents of an occupied territory Israeli citizens, any more than the Americans would have imposed American citizenship on the Japanese during the time it occupied Japan after WW2. If Israel annexed Judea and Samaria and made it part of Israel, there would be pressure on Israel to grant the Palestinians a path to citizenship. But Israel can't remain a Zionist homeland state if it allows an unlimited number of Muslims to become citizens as they will eventually outvote the Jews, take control of the Knesset, and ethnically cleanse the Jews, as the jihadists' charters all pledge to do. So for completely practical reasons unrelated to any anti-Islamic or anti-Arab racism, Israel can't let all those Palestinians become Israeli citizens the way the 2 million Arabs in Israel are citizens.
If that sounds like apartheid, so be it. In fact, Israel regards Judea and Samaria as "disputed" not "occupied." This allows them to police it to keep order and security but avoids them the obligation of granting full political rights to the residents. They can say in all honesty, well, we can't give citizenship to a population that lives in a territory that might not even belong to us in the first place. After all, the world says it wants a Palestinian state. If that ever gets resolved, the Palestinians will be citizens of that state. No reason for Israel to make them interim citizens of Israel. That's just a recipe for trouble. (This issue of the settlements in Judea and Samaria is a separate issue that I don't want to get into here. Except to say that people go where there is land. Always have, just like our ancestors did coming to North America. And here we still are.)
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I agree with Vivian about the scunbag....
I dont want to be in a islam state but in a state where Bendvir and his supporters get power isnt the place i want to be either
I am ok living in a place where Itamar Ben-Gvir and his supporters are in power...
I agree with Ashira and Fleur. There is so much false Palestinian propaganda and with the rise of antisemitism, we need to outreach to different communities to help dispel lies they heard about Jews being white privileged. People in general can relate and connect best with someone they perceive as having some things in common such as skin colour or language aspect and would be receptive to learn, listen to facts and have a conversation. Specially individuals who are in the fence. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🫶🏻💙🤍💙
There you go again. They only found 4 that they accuse.
Where did they find this black individual you always find one
Disgusting question. Israel is more diverse than most countries but ignorant westerners think they are all white Germans.
Israel is already considered a pariah. So why worry about how Israel looks?
Lol by who?😂
145/192 Nation States acknowledge Israel. *All* of the ones that don't are Arab and/or Islamic.
You're alone in this. .
The Nations which acknowledge Israel, are those which wield far more influence than Iran or any Arab State. Turkiye, Greece, United States, Russia, China, etc. acknowledge Israel... Of course there are acknowledgements of Fatah as well, however the Nations which acknowledge Israel without acknowledging Fatah far outweigh the Nations which acknowledge Fatah without acknowledging Israel.
The balance of power is not in your favor no matter how much you'd like to believe that it is.
The type of country that acknowledges Fatah without acknowledging Israel is Iran and Qatar , from rogue states at the worst and non combatant anti Semites at best. . The type of countries which acknowledge Israel without any acknowledgement of Fatah are those with greater strength , power, and influence than Iran or any Arab state.
Many major Nations acknowledge both, but those which only acknowledge Israel without Fatah are far more influential and capable than those who acknowledge Fatah without Israel. The balance of power is genuinely not in your favor. You may hold a Delusion that it is, but it isn't.