This is what the original Monza circuit looked like 100 years ago
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2022
- The original Monza circuit was built in 1922 and is celebrating 100 years this year. The full course was used for Grand Prix racing for a few years, but was stopped in 1933 after multiple incidents that led to driver and spectator deaths in the 1928 and 1933 races. The original circuit was demolished, and the Vedano course was built and used for a few years, and it wasn't until 1955 that a new full course with a new high-speed oval was built and used for Grand Prix racing once again.
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This F1 2022 onboard lap is driven in Assetto Corsa at the Old Monza track with Charles Leclerc in the Ferarri F1-75 challenger.
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In reality, this is not how it looked like in 1922,hence the circuit is the 1966 version modified (for example, there is the Parabolica, which was introduced only in 1955). Anyway, it gives an idea of how Monza Park looked like at that time (with much less trees, for example).
Makes sense. I wondered why is there a gravel trap in 1920 lol.
I was about to say that it is the 1966 version then I saw this
This layout is the one worthy of being called "Temple of Speed"
Yes, they reworked the oval to resemble more the original rampart one, less trees (in 1922, the area around the Autodromo was practically full countryside), but to get a good result, they sould move the central stright more to the East (originally, it was part of the Monza's park streets), and replace the Alboreto's corner (AKA Parabolica), with a constan radius corner.
Oh you are right, parabolica didn't exist in 1922 instead there was a corner called "curva sud" which was larger and also faster i think
The most interesting thing is the fact that when circuits gets old they get full of trees, there was a circuit that was basically desertic and now is full of threes and abandoned
threes?
@@leafster8244 Actually, they get full of twos. Some lucky circuits even fill up with fours.
@@antoniozavaldski oh alright
@@leafster8244 I've corrected now, lol
@@antoniozavaldski and rarely with ones
People say "you can't change Monaco, tradition"
Monza is even older, has gone through at least five layouts and it's still a classic historical Grand Prix.
There’s literally no room to modify Monaco though
@@dylanzrim3635 yes there are changes you can make to sector 1/2. You can look up proposed Monaco layouts.
Monza isn't a street race cmon use your head.
@@scoobyruuuu Yea so I looked it up, Monaco has had variations across the years.
Which means they can, but they just won't.
@@MulettoMotorsports variations doesn't mean the track changes your thinking of. We are talking about some of the most valuable real estate on the planet. They're not going to alter the city for a track.
It is mostly straight because the cars at that time had very little downforce. Monza is also known for being one of the two crashes in Juan Manuel Fangio’s career during an official race.
2 crashes in his whole official career? That's insane
@@chickenmerchant3719 and it was a crash big enough to sideline him for the rest of 1952. I read that he had arrived very late for the 1952 Monza race, with almost no sleep and crashed at Lesmo, breaking his back in the process.
Very little downforce? How about none at all lmao
@@thatoneguy7191 Yeah they had'nt invented downforce yet
@@chickenmerchant3719 Fangio is arguably the best driver of all time. The record for highest win percentage is still his, and probably will be forever. We can talk about race wins, or even titles, but at the end of the day, win percentage is the only stat that is transferable over every era, and he takes the biscuit there
Finally someone who made a video with the entire layout of the original Monza. Thanks
It ain't original Monza
@@ScorpionPOL yes it's almost the same. The only wrong thing is the last turn of the road circuit, which is incorrectly the parabolica. The original turn was called "curva sud"
@@SchumiJr. Original banking was less steep and original Parabolica had got constant radius
In 1960 the race lap record for monza combined was 2:43 at an average speed of 223km/h. Absolutely sluggish in comparison to nowadays
Well doing 223 km/h average in what is essentially a bomb on wheels is pretty terrifying
@@SweetJuliaBrown my car nowadays won't even reach that speed
And....with no aerodynamic attachments, like wings. And poooooor brakes. Their appeared the parabolica with roughly 230km/h and needed to break a roughly 200meters before the corner.
Let's put things into perspective for a second.
If you give it a 5-6 years margin, 1960 is as close to today (now 2024) as it is to the invention of the combustion engine automobile. So what is amazing to me is that back in 1960, they were at more than 2/3 the speed of today. Tyres, brakes, suspensions, all components were crap. On top of that, security was crap^2. What they lacked in technology they compensated with giga huge balls, it's insane.
The average speed in Monza 1971 (last year pre-chicanes) stood for around 30 years as the fastest lap speed in F1, didn't it?
For one, I'm glad you're getting sponsors! Well deserved!
Thank you my man, cheers!
Wow I never realized the bridge there after lesmos is the old oval curve above the current track. The double lane straight is amazing concept I wish they’d introduce this idea to some track again.
When you watch the F1 Italian Grand Prix Jake, if you know where and when to look, you can see quite a few bits of the banked track; it's all still there, apparently in reasonably good condition, not race worthy, but sometimes used for corporate days or other PR or historical visits. Rent the 1966 movie Grand Prix; I won't spoil it for you but there's a crash scene on the banking that has the car go over the edge with elements of the crash landing in the trees right next to where the cars go under the bridge before the Ascari bend.
It’s amazing how old this circuit is and how much it has evolved
In September, will became secular
88 seconds in 8th gear. Not sure the engine would like that😁😁
what's that have to do with gears?
@@josipdolibasic4143 Because it's the highest gear thus the highest rpm.
It's not being in 8th gear that's the issue. It being at full throttle for almost a minute and a half that is the issue.
@@Kualinar - of the 1m 52s lap, I reckon at least 1m 45s of it is at 100% throttle. Brakes would be stone cold by the time you got to the two braking areas.
@@ck867 Yes. That would be an issue. That mean that the pilots would need to gently kiss the brakes to heat them up.
Two years ago I contacted the director of the track and he said this year (100th anniversary) special celebration will take part. 320kph? Sounds like speeds of American ovals ;) Great stuff!
American ovals, funny you mention it, look up "Race of two worlds".
It was an oval only 500 mile at Monza oval, where Indycars and F1 cars raced under rules to make them equal for engines etc.
They ran it the Monza way so clock-wise (opposite of US) and American cars won clearly.
Repeated it in 1958 and Americans won again but less clearly.
Only when you look at this old grandstands, you can understand how Emilio Materassi's car killer almost 30 spectators in 1928 Italian GP
Schön mal die historischen Streckenverläufe zu sehen! Die alte riesige Runde von Spa Francorchamps ist auch unglaublich und interessant zu fahren!
Kenne ich von grand prix legends.
So basically the 1922 Monza track was a GP/Oval track in a nutshell
Porpoising on the banking XD
The banked corners were much better in 1922 than at 'Monza 1966' 👀
Best regards 🏁🏁🏁
How fucking scary it must be, that the front part begins to bounce due to the passage of the banks.
Wow that's so dangerous that oval yay and the trees, they are so close to the track
Yeah, in fact this track led to many tragedies
Sadly
Oval is abandoned and was still used for Monza rally
That looks insanely fun with today’s car high downforce.
Thank you for the file and the video!
Incredible. The old Spa would be my favorite tho.
wow incredible graphics
Muuuuyyy bueno!!!! Gracias por este viaje!!
Sometimes I wish this layout was still being used lol
Or at least put into a game as some sorta DLC track.
The engines 💀💀💀
Not enought space for safety zone, also already in ealry 70s the races were so close to appear too dangerous (for the 70s standards)
Bono my formation lap is gone 😆
Old monza: Oval track
New monza: i hate getting penalty for just using the damn chicane
It’s a bit frustrating that the Parabolica is the 1955 version. I believe the North and South oval banked turns are truer to the 1922 version - I understand that they were not as steeply banked as the 1955 ones. I think the 1922 “Parabolica” was constant radius and banked at a similar angle to the larger turns on the oval.
awesome stuff
2 thing
1-no barrier or barely 2 or 3 (balls)
2-must trust you re brake ( otherwise a tree)
great video thanks
p.s:din't even talk about the safety of the car...... crazy era!
Actually it’s more late version of Monza because in 1922 backstraight before Parabolica was a little shorter and Parabolica itself was with different shape (180 degrees corner with constant radius)
Curva Poca!
It is a merge : the 1954 road track with the pre-war banking version (20%degree turns).
I would like to see even a 2021 F1 car on the Grand prix courses from Sega Dreamcast's Spirit of Speed 1937. Let's see Leclerc at Pau or Brooklands.
Amazing when you watch all these videos of modern cars driving the old tracks including spa how theres so many long full speed flat out corners like nothing we have today
Engineer :"Hey man! How much fuel do you want for the race?"
Pilot: "YES"
Can't belive 1922 was 100 year ago.
This layout is unfortunatley not entirely accurate as the lesmos were sharper and modern day area where ascari is was earlier and parabolica was constant radius
If I remember well, Lesmos remain unchanged until 1994.
@@gufo_tave They were sharpest in the beginning of the circuit's life, then opened. After 1994 they were pushed back and tightened again, but not the hairpin level of tight of the original configuration.
And.....there were no curbs, between the Lesmo's.
Man.....the car's cockpit view is so close to real!!!!
Hey man love your retro circuit videos. Could you do one on the Circuito Lasarte from Gipuzkoa, Basque Country?? It hosted the Spanish gp from 1923 to 1935 if I’m not mistaken.
F1 was created in 1950 so how could there be a Spanish gp before 1950 ? 😂
@@milan_slatt2900 you do realize there was GP racing “before” F1 was created right?
@@iazkue1250 yeah but i thought you were talking about f1 gp
@@milan_slatt2900 We kinda are. Grand Prix racing started in 1906.
European GP championship started (F1 before it had the F1 name) in 1930 or 1931 with a points scoring of the bigger Grand Prixs and a WDC title.
The reason it was not included in F1 history in 1950 was because many champions of 1930-1939 were Nazi and Italian drivers (less Nazi but still Axis).
I always heard the original oval turns 1 & 2 were flat. And that it was 'too dangerous'. So they made it a crazily high banked bumpy turn in the name of 'safety' lol
"this track is so easy"
it's challenging if you in the f1 in 1950's with thin tyres, bicycle design helmet and manual transmission
And the track back then was way more bumpy, oil flew off the car in front (or your own since engine in front) so slick and couldn't see much.
And bad drum brakes at best, double clutching and the feeling that one mistake could be your last action on earth.
Oh and 3 hrs Grand Prixs where the cars could get super hot, like 50-60C and drivers had bucket of water dumped on them in the pitstops.
Why can’t we not have at least one such highspeed track today 😍
Vegas next year?
Because they'd be boring as hell, probably some nice Drs trains...
This version is way better that Monza 1966
Cheers 🍻 to 100 magnificent years of some of the most beautiful, intense and fastest racing of all time
Monza has seen a large amount of heroes over the years such as Nuvolari, Caracciola, Ascari, Farina, Fangio, Moss, Clark, Hill, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Senna and of course the greatest of them all Michael Schumacher
Keep fighting Michael 🇩🇪🏆🇩🇪🏆🇩🇪🏆🇩🇪🏆🇩🇪
Happy birthday Monza 🇮🇹🏎🎂🍰
I can't see why so many people just venerates MS?!....Noone remembers how he crashed(intentionally!)Damon Hill in Australia to win that year the championship?!!...What a shitty way to win something!And years on he ,,buried"Rubens's career at Ferrari just to get himself crowned again and again.Can't stand him.Not to be happy with anyone's misfortune or wish any harm to anyone,but life balanced it out that way(by his accident)all the shit he built over the years
One off my favorite Circuit off all Time😍😍😍
It would be impossible for a modern F1 car to race in that. The uneven bumpy surface would destroy their suspension.
Well now, I've just learnt something new.
I had no idea they raced a loop of the oval along with a loop of the circuit
It's look like much wider than current configuration even for the current generation F1 cars.
Wow looks so fun to drive.
you could basically carry 8th gear throughout
This is more like Monza 1961 but using the old banking of 1922-1933 which was not as steep as the new banking used in the races of 1955, 56, 60 and 61. The last time F1 used the combined circuit (road circuit and banking) was 1961. The steep banking was used in the Grand Prix movie of 1966 but NOT in real F1.
Okay thanks for the explanation. I thought it was a lot steeper, but I am assuming I have only seen the banking from the late 50s
I ve been on that banking many times, it’s very steep expecially in the highest point. In the 90s even if was already not in a good shape, some cars manufactors used as a test drive.
I wish they would fix the banking and run this configuration today! I would love to see endurance cars on this track as well.
You gotta do this with the 2015 williams mosld
What about Formula 1 Fantasy season here?
👀
Imagine the AI getting the banking horribly wrong...
Oh, is THAT how it worked? I have wondered about that. I have been shown the circuit diagram, but it's never been properly explained they did one lap of the 'road course' and then one lap of the banked oval. I guess that does kinda make sense...
Wow that’s cool
Simply Monza ❤️🇮🇹
I play this circuit a lot on Asetto Corsa because it’s so fun
the true "temple of speed"
Amazing
Please bring this track back !
Pure speed
With todays modern F1 cars, if they ran this track now, someone would get killed. There is nothing to slow them down on this track. It would be too fast a track
Amazing what the Monza track looked like 100 years ago.
Thanks for the video. Take care.
Speed
I am Speed 🏎
100th anniversary to Monza
Old circuits be like : ok guys only straights
make a lap in the Circuito da Gávea
With so much time full throttle, I’m surprised Charles’ engine managed the full lap. 😀
In 1922 Monza has the form like a ring 💍
I'm sad you can't visit the banked turns in Gran Turismo.
Very good
You need to do an entire oval to pit stop in this circuit.
Я хочу, чтоб трасса такой вновь стала!
Just wow.
Seems to be the mid-'50s layout. Don't think that is the original track as the mid-'50s is when the Parabolica was added.
Plase bro I want old monza in F1 fantasy season 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Imagine making a driver error in the last 2 corners 💀
Oooh so thats why the bridge is there
I complete almost the full circuit flat out
Here comes the blown engine!
Given the modern-day challenges with track limits, those little barriers on the front straight wouldn't last very long.
way better than the one now
Temple of speed 💪💪💪
Floor it? Yes, Spongebob, in this particular case, floor it.
Please do old Hockenheim
Are you remaking your old videos???
This is not a remake, this is a different, older version of Monza
Now this is a Monza for *MEN*
1:18 1:40 porpoising
And thats Why Monza Is calles "the temple of speed"
Dangerous circuit
Fastest real lap was 2:42,6 when fangio got pole in 1956 (the 1966 layout is similar) and the fastest race laps were at 2:46
Your lap is a 1:52,3
In a Race i would predict a time of 2 minutes flat for the modern car.
Imagine the amount of porpoising 💀
Parabolica did not exist, there was a banked curve of 20 degrees. The serraglio turned as the start of Ascari chicane today and go straigth in the alley that now is behind the stands of Parabolica straight..
Monza is the most NASCAR of all F1 tracks.
Theres literally 2 breaking zones. How did they even recharge their ERS back then? Madness proper madness luv
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No wonder it's the "Temple of Speed"
how can you do lesmo 2 flat out 😳😳
bro this monza is 1955 you can see it because instead of the parabolica the track had two 90 degrees turns the vedano curves but the oval i right coll video
I see why they call it the temple of speed
Who was purple in the middle sector?
Basically two NASCAR ovals overlapping themselves.
the oval was the track 100 years ago
Wonder how many crashes happened back then, seems like a lot more chance for fatalities considering the average speed of the circuit was basically 300kph
The 1928 had an incident where a driver and around 20 spectators were killed, the layout wasn't used again until 1933 where in that race 3 different drivers died. That was the last time the original monza full course was run
There were slower cars back then, which is why I don't understand why they build such a high speed track for slow cars, tight corners would make the race more interesting imo. But yeah, racing back then was probably more focused on brute force engine development and straight line speed so that makes sense.
@@jakublanca5535at that time they wanted to see speed, they couldn t go fast during curves