Yeah for todays F1 it would be too fast. Even the current circuit is a lot full throttle. I rember in the 90's they brake for Pouhon, now they only lift a little for the first one.
But isnt that F1 is supposed to be ? Flat balls out racing ! Not like it is now with fuel saving on some tracks . The hybrid era maybe faster but its all about managing different modes on the car , Senna would have hated it .
I agree with both skandre7 7 7 and rockypup1968. Todays F1 is more about fuel and tyres saving, while it should be about pushing to the limit. On the other way, a track which is 94% full throttle is not interesting. There should be a good mix of different corners. Not like the old AVUS (for example), but for sure also not like the modern Tilke track with the only fast corners after a very slow corner, so you tan take it easy flat out.
@@daijirokatoh3769 And they completely removed much of the old track, e.g, the 'Jim Clark' big sweeping turn.! I read there were German tax incentives to destroy it and plant trees and hay-grass.
@@SCYN0 because it was raining, old Hocke had its character and was unique in terms of car setup only second to Monza. Currently in F1 most tracks demand similar medium or high downforce what makes things easier
Hockenheimring was absolutely ruined. The length of the track meant you could have rain on one side and dry on the other. Wings basically at horizontal angles for straight line speed. They should never have changed it!
It was a great circuit: the nearly horizontal wings meant that the cars had very little downforce at the twisty Motodrom section, so it was tricky and mistakes were common.
Tilke only did what he did because the rest of the land was already sold to the local government, that's all he had to work with, and they wanted chicanes and massive runoffs too...crying shame but he did what he had to do
@@charlesklass4209 he was going to leave it original to the first chicane, then have a hairpin and a long straight to the senna chicane then as it is today... the local govt couldn’t even make that concession.
The Hockenheim with the blast through the woods was one of my favorite tracks. I still have VHS footage of Nigel Mansell bounding over the kerbs at the chicanes on his way to a fantastic qualifying lap. The new layout is completely uninspired.
On F1 2001 on the PS2 if you jumped start, drove your car into the tree section and stoped in the middle of the road about 50 yards before the first chicane, the Ai cars would plow into you and cause spectacular multiple pile ups with cars flipping everywhere . I did load's. sometimes reversing a little helped, I still have that game .
Still take the new layout over some of the newer tracks which have no memory/heritage. You could argue new tracks need time to develop heritage and a fanbase but some just flat out don't have the requisites to do so. Russia? Korea? I'll temper my criticism a bit as Korea did have some good corners but economics wasn't in their favour. I especially like Velancia which in a way had charm and died off far too soon. The bridge, the tight corners, it was different.
The old Hockenheim was a great track, but races were not very interesting there. The fast cars ran away and there was not too much challenge. Monza has the same feature.
Yes. I do wish the narrator/ producer would spend a bit of time (could be done on the phone) to learn and adopt correct French pronunciations. Rather than offhand mangled English ones.
I appreciate your passion for abandoned race tracks. You look at them and they still have the magic...What people did to the Hockenheimring is a shame. In 1992 I was there to see the F1 GP. (Senna, Berger, Mansell, Patrese, a young Schumacher) Never forget... in 1977 my parents took me to the old Nürburgring. I still regret for not having taken fotos with a cam. Even that this day was no race some training sessions of several touring cars were very amazing. I also remembered looking to the Südlurve and wondered what part of the Nordschleife that was and why no cars were driving there. I didn't know that this were the old Südschleife. Unfortunately I was too young to explore and my parents weren't intetested in more Nürburgring. Thx for your efforts to show us the abandoned tracks...Grüße aus Deutschland...
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video. I've made many of those pilgrimages myself - my wife thought I was the only one crazy enough to do so - because I love the feeling of the historic fabric and hearing the voices of ghosts. It's a moving experience to be transported backward in time but bittersweet to see the utter disregard for what for many of us is hallowed ground. Nothing says we cherish and venerate the memories you gave us like the sound of a bulldozer!
Thank you. Now you can show you're wife you're not the only one :D Yes it's a bittersweet feeling exploring those abandoned circuits. On one side it's such a cool experience. On the other side it's motorsport history in decline.
I'm from Germany and at first I say sorry for my bad English. I knew the old Hockenheimring very well, I was born not far from there. I must say that it don't like the new Hockenheimring because of the changing of the atmosphere. In the past there was a atmosphere like a stadium. Sure, the fans don't saw their hero's very often because one lap was very long. But the speed on the track was very high and the races where so spectacular because of the high-speed. The new layout (i think Hermann Tilke is one reason for that) is nearly boring. A typical Tilke-Track... I don't like it.
Yes Tilke designed the new section of Hockenheim, but he's not resonsible for the destruction of the old track. However, I don't like his designs neiter. They all have the same components, he copy pasted the corners from track 1 to track 2, 3 and so on. And most fast corners are after a very slow corner, so they are easy full throttle.
@@DJLauth they actually remade the track due to their own initiative. They know that track will be forgotten due to how simple the track is and feared that the track would be considered dull. But WHY they chose Tilke to design it?
It was Kieth Odor, also known as Kieth O'dor who died at Avus. He was the son of Jan Odor who started Janspeed. He was a very talented touring car driver who drove the rapid, but under-funded and under-developed Janspeed Nissans in the BTCC to some surprising results, considering the manufacturer power and spending they were up against, and were probably responsible for Nissan running a full, manufacturer funded team in the BTCC later in the '90s...
Loss of the old Hock was a particular shame for me and other F1 fans here in Wiltshire as some teams would test their aero and gearing for the Hock here at Kevill Airfield.
@@GUNNERSIGHTZEROED You are quite correct, I could probably misspell my own name. As to the testing, many F1 fans would show up for the tests as the engine noise could be heard for miles. A Renault V10 F1 engine is pretty distinctive!
@@Circuitsofthepast Your right, I've lived here 50yrs+, so no excuse other than idiocy! Just an extra piece of information, at one of the Williams tests (1998 I think) the driver was some kid called Juan Pablo Montoya. Wonder what became of him?
Wonderful historic information. This insight goes to prove, to build truly great tracks, the whole town has to be behind it. In the U.S. it's all private money, and that doesn't leave us with enough large, new road courses. Here, we run inside an oval and up onto the banking. These are fun, but are a lot of the samething. These Euro tracks have a beauty unto each of them.
Very enjoyable to see the old spa track ,dangerous and spectacular at the same time,no words can properly express the skill and daring the drivers of that era showed.🇦🇺👍
Thank you for the video, my dad was a big F1 nut and many summer holidays were spent visiting these tracks (with my dad pushing his Renault 19 past the legal limit on the left over tracks/public sections). Have fond memories of exploring the grandstand at Reims-Gueux and have spent ages trying to find out where it was!
F1 should go back to Charade, looks a wonderful track and very picturesque, anything is better than the eye sore and bore fest that is Paul Ricard circuit! Very interesting video.
Thank you. Charade would be a more technical track than Paul Ricard. On the other side, it would be more difficult to overtake there, and the safety could also be an issue. So maybe they would require adjustments that would ruin Charade.
The 1960 German GP, which was a non-World Championship race for F2 cars, was held on the Sudschleife. Compared with the modern F1 Nurburgring circuit it was an absolutely brilliant 'proper' road-racing circuit, ie not a mickey mouse, glorified kart track
I remember racing the Nivelles circuit very well. It was in the beginning of the eighties and we were competing some races in the Dutch national competition series after a previous year with to many lethal accidents on Dutch road circuits (think Man style including curbs trees and houses to spice things up a little). Even then the buildings surrounding the track were almost falling apart and trees were growing in the grandstands. Track surface was horrible with the bike (Z900 based) bouncing around and understeering in the great loop. Those were the days my friends......
Bedankt voor het delen van dit verhaal. Ik heb ook gehoord dat ze in die tijd voor de afwisseling het circuit tegengesteld reden. Ik heb er zelfs een foto van. Die kun je hier zien: www.circuitsofthepast.nl/nl-NL/nivelles
@@Circuitsofthepast : That's right, the circuit itself wasn't very challenging except for the big loop (it just kept going on and on and on...), but because of the wide runoff areas and the possibility to ride the circuit in two directions combined with adding or leaving out chicanes you could drive a different kind of track every weekend. I only remember driving the track clockwise direction. Another tricky thing of the circuit was that you mostly heated up your slicks on the right side (driving clockwise) but leaving the big loop you needed all the grip you could get on the left side of the tires to accelerate out of the 130 degrees lefthander that followed. Some exciting memories there.
I drove it only by car, but I remember the exit of the Big Loop. The short straight was just long enough to switch from the left to the right side and brake for the left-hander.
I love these small, abandoned sections, that they not even used for public roads. Thickly surrounded by all these bushes and trees! So old...so peaceful and quiet...
Hockenheim was the beginning of the FIA changing tracks. Though the track management were the ones who commissioned the work, it was that work which started the trend of altering tracks, and the FIA just happened to choose the same guy
What's IMO most interesting about these old tracks (even those that still exist like Monza or Hockenheim) is that back in the days they were basically straight lines and had just very few sharp corners or banked corners. That means that the divers of those times had even less influence than they have today because with these kinds of tracks, whoever has the most powerful engine wins.
The powerful engine aspect was on full-display at the 1967 Italian Grand Prix with Jim Clark driving the Lotus 49 with the Cosworth DFV engine. A flat tire had him falling wwwaaayyy back; only to have him go through the field and build up a 30 second lead going into the last lap, only to lose with his car running out of fuel. That was a full-display of how dominant the DFV engine was in 1967 when nothing broke in that Lotus. The advantages the Brabham team had in 1967 was the the lightness of the car and engine reliability.
I come from Clermont-Ferrand, so I know well the Charade's circuit. The deleted part is my sandbox when I ride my motobike. It is a big pleasure to discover other old F1 circuits. Thanks a lot !
You're welcome! Yes it was big fun to drve the old part of the Clermont-Ferrand circuit. Especially the fast banked corner (15:11) before the long climb, where I overtake that slow driving car :)
Hockenhiem is a prime example of a ruined circuit. I get that they felt that it needed to be modernized but they went way too far. I felt at the time and even more so now that the old part should have been left or just used like the old Nurburgring is now.
I´m glad to see many feel the same about Hockenheim as I. Only thing I would have changed of the old version was the first chicane, it seemed an unnecessary disruption to the flow of the lap.
I remember attending races at Riverside Raceway in Southern California. IMHO it was a great track as good as any in Europe. It was a fully complete track and had been raced on for years and years. It's now a housing tract. That sucks.
I agree, Riverside was a great track. In 2012 I visited the location. Unfortunately nothing reminds to the motorsport past of the site. See also this video: ruclips.net/video/RGNToJaUhXU/видео.html
The aspect I loved about Riverside was the ability of the drivers to go 'wheel to wheel' with competitors; unlike Laguna Seca, that while it is in a picturesque setting, sees race lead changes happen due to pit stops.
The Motor Trend 500 NASCAR races were the stuff of legends, particularly the 1966 running that saw an epic race long battle between Dan Gurney and the legendary Curtis Turner where, as one journalist ( Brock Yates I believe ) described them assaulting one another 'with everything bar a lead pipe'..........!!!!
Great video, sad to see Hockenheim on first place but I totally agree. I remember watching Rubens Barrichello’s first win there in 2000 in a crazy rainy race. It broke my heart to see what they did to the circuit in 2002, an amazing and unique track was transformed into a regular and boring one. Glad they still make the classic circuit in games (not only Hockenheim) so we can have a shot of those good times.
@@CFS08 Maybe you're right. All I can say is I personally find it a little tedious running long races on sims because of the (maybe to) long straights.
I have also mixed feelings about the old track. It was absolutely not a great track as many fans claim. However, it was good for the alternation on the calendar. And what they did to the track is a shame and it was unneccesary. The old track may have been unpopular by most drivers and a little boring. On the other side it was an unique track with it's contrast between the woods and the stadium. Now they replaced the historic part of the track by an average modern section.
Circuits of the past Yes that’s exactly what I mean. It didn’t produce super exciting races but the track was unique. My nostalgia is much more about the circuit rather than the races.
11:10 *Belgian GP Circuit 1961 - I remember this well, after watching the Grand Prix Race sitting within inches of the track at Malmedy, after the road reopened did a circuit in my then Car the Fabulous Citroën DS19 and was absolutely amazed how quick they got around the track, I had to change down gears at many of the steep uphill sections. There looked to be a Thunderstorm Brewing so decided to leave and drove all night with my mates quietly sleeping away to Salzburg (no 3) where I had no idea of a Race Track being there, but bought an amusing metal plaque "Actung Sheifer Hund" I still have it today as have two Chihuahuas !*
Thank you for sharing your story. In the 90's I visited the Belgian GP too. After the race the track went also open for traffic those day's. So in the evening I went back and drove some laps on the old track. And sometimes also on the new section, but this was actually illegal. In 2017 I visited the Salzburgring and made this slow onboard: ruclips.net/video/fXVlx4WDPRI/видео.html
Frankly, having those old layouts of Hockenheimring, Spa-Francorchamps and Monza (as well as a couple other classic track layouts like the 60s version of Silverstone) is one of my favourite things about Project Cars 2!
The old Hockenheim was a brilliant track and my favorite on my F1 gaming calendar even being Australian I preferred it over the Adelaide and the newer Albert Park in Melbourne
I love them old (proper) race circuits especially Hockenheim....think I`ll dig out the old Play Station and have a blast around it in a Ferrari, thanks for posting this I found it just by chance.
Great video . Watched the whole thing . Hockenheim change was the biggest shame in f1 track history . Just think how much money they would be making now if they have kept it for historic races
*_"The gate of Nivelles inspired him in 2003 to start a website about lost circuits._* *_The name?_* *_“Circuits of the Past!”"_* And with that, I immediately tapped on the subscribe button with no hesitation. That actually made me smile, not gonna lie.
Can‘t forget those screaming engines at Hockenheim in the 90s. I loved that track. I don’t watch races on the new version of the track. It’s a horrible, dead race track like most of the Tielke-tracks. His only good race track is Sepang.
I actually went to Spa Francorchamps in 2000 just when the circuit became permanent and you couldn't drive on it. I did drive on the old part looking for the Plain Vent restaurant (where the Jordan team celebrated it's first victory)
I visited the Belgian GP several times in the 90's. Those days you could after the race drove the full lap on the old track. And even the new section was accessible, but that was illegal.
I think I did actually see one year that ticket holders walking down Kemmel Straight, so I believe today you can walk a lap of the track after the race
@@reptongeek That was already in the 90's. Immediately after the race they opened the fences and leave the spectators on the track. Then we walked over the track to the pitlane. I remember in 1994 a drunk idiot took a fire extinguisher from a marshall post and sprayed extinguishing powder on the track. Sometimes there were also cars left, while the spectators were already on the track. Once there was a Sauber surrounded by safety guards. Later I heard they were there because people go sit in the car for a picture.
The current Tilke-Hockenheim is not Hockenheim. It's so far from the original and the most well known version with the long straigths through the woods with chicanes. Oh how I miss the 90s when Formula 1 cars sounded like race cars and screamed through the woods. The current Hockenheim and the current cars that sound more like vacuum cleaners are so boring compared to that. Thanks for the awesome video by the way! I did not know France had so many fancy looking tracks. It actually makes me wonder even more why the current French GP is on Paul Rickard which is also a very boring track. I would love to see Magny-Cours return...
Here in Finland a legendary race-track was Keimola. Abandoned a long time ago, the area became forested. Now there's high-rise housing with the streets somewhat matching the original track.
Yes I know Keimola. Mika Häkkinen started his carreer there on the kart track. It is also presented in one of my videos: ruclips.net/video/zcziY7-uKAA/видео.html
Awesome video, thanks. One comment; Montjuich does not qualify as "abandoned". It was a street track, and all the streets that formed it are still there in pretty good condition. Of course, it's crazy dangerous for today's standards, and having the dedicated Catalunya race track nearby there's zero chances it could ever be raced again. But it would be doable.
I drove around the original (pre permanent track) course through Watkins Glen last year and it was amazing to think racing took place on those roads. I can only imagine that’s how some of these feel when driving on them.
Cool. The fisrt time I visited is was in 2005, during the French GP weekend. On Sunday there was a revival. In a party tent you could watch F1 at MagnyCours. So I can say I watched the French GP at Reims-Gueux :)
Thanks for a great RUclips video. We took in some racing at Monza September 2018. Luckily found the tunnel to the infield for a great experience. While your video extends to present day I couldn’t determine how the old track relates to current track.
Thanks. Actually the version we now call old Hockenheim was the third version. The original version was the triangular street circuit. However, I agree they shouldn't butcher the old section through the woods. That was the only remain of the original layout and gave the track it's unique character.
Tremendous upload , the good old days before health and safety took hold , was surprised how steep the bankig was at the old Monza is & Avus was even steeper, Epic .
Sitges-Terramar had the steepest banking, 66 degrees! Here a video with 5 steep bankings: ruclips.net/video/fDrAoLEmo5M/видео.html This video also need a remake with the AVUS included.
*A rather Glaring Omission was **_Donington Park Circuit (UK)_** where Pre War 2 (39-45) races were held, and I presume right on your doorstep. This is thriving today, and was used as the European GP (wet race with Senna winning in April 1993 where I watched with awe) Unfortunately it failed to meet standards after spending enormous amounts to be accepted as a modern F1 circuit, and is now held at very difficult to reach Silverstone, near Towcester. The road infrastructure is totally unable to handle GP traffic and it took me more than an hour to leave car park after the race in 2019.*
Well, it's actually not on my doorstep, because I'm from the Netherlands. However, I visited Donington Park last year, including the lost part of the Melbourne Loop: ruclips.net/video/eGy3kRLonQQ/видео.html
Great Video!.. I really like the old circuits.. I've been on the Nordschleife, Francorchamps and one day i sneaked through a fence to ride on the old part of Zandvoort..from the top of Hunzerug all the way to Tunnel Oost.. also.. i've ridden Santamonica in Italy when it was still counterclockwise.. The Local roads around Francorchamps still make you feel like you're on a racetrack.. Also, i've driven some of these tracks in the "Grand Prix Legends" Game.. and Nivelles is quite a challenge..
Bedankt. Ik ben in 1989 vlak na de opening van het interim-circuit van Zandvoort ook eens vanaf het parkeerterrein het oude gedeelte opgereden. Eerst tegengesteld naar de hekken op de Hunserug (niet Hunzerug) en toen terug naar het Bos Uit. Aanvankelijk had ik nog aardig de gang er in, maar bij het Scheivlak liep een vrouw met haar hondje te wandelen. Toen besloot ik toch maar wat langzamer te rijden. Later toen het bungalowpark er stond kon je nog via een woonwijk de baan op, vlak voor waar ooit de Panoramabocht was. Maar al gauw hadden ze Tunnel Oost eruit gehaald en gebruikten ze een deel van het oude circuit als woonwagenkamp.
I remember watching short course truck racing on TV as a kid and the commentator kept saying “SUPRISE ARIZONA!!” Fast forward 9 years and I got called on a mission to that area but I couldnt find any raceways on google maps. One day I was driving down the road on the outskirts of town and saw some lucas oil flags waving and realized this was the same place. We found a way in and drove our way around the tattered circuit in our Frontier. The podium was still there so of course we got photos on it. Its a fulfilling memory but it’s so heartbraking to see something so cool and amazing get overgrown and ruined
When I lived near Brussels in the early 90's I often used the Nivelles circuit to have a few laps with my classic car...Still assessible by than although highly illegal.......
Que dor no meu coração ver esses templos da velocidade, abandonados dessa maneira...... Muito triste...... Mas muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal...... Abraço do Brasil......
I drove at Hockenheim and I can tell you it's the easiest track to learn I ever have driven. The only corner which is a bit of a challenge is the first corner. It's one of the two fast corners, the other one is where you enter the Motodrom again. The kink between the hairpin and the chicane is easy full throttle, so no real corner.
Formula1 had make a huge mistake< to let Herman Tilke ruined the current tracks,and let him design terrible tracks like for example China,Abu Dhabi,Russia,COTA
I live near brooklands (oldest purpose built racetrack in the world) in southern England The banking is still there and it's a captivating place to visit .
I almost get teary eyes when i remember walking on those old Hockenheim parts, the years just after the reconstruction, imagining how those guys went 330 kph past me.... it was a car park then during the gp. I walked all the way from the former Senna chicane to the stands there...
The old Hockenheim was legendary. See F1 race into those woods was amazing. Now, like many modern F1 tracks, is just a go-kart track with no “soul” at all. Even the historic A1 Ring (do not know how to write its original name), was amazing and now ruined
Reconstruction and abandonment in 2002 of the old Hockenheim circuit with the high speed sections through the forest was and is a travesty and is one of the biggest acts of wanton butchery in history of motorsport… Still miss my favourite track of all time today…
Wow, I didn't know that the Hockenheim track was changed because of the owners themselves. I always thought it was changed to this modern version because of FIA's demands.
Many people think, and that was also told those days. But there is an interesting documentary in German language where they figured everything out. If I have time I will translate the main points in English.
Thanks for the comment, went to check out who it was and we do have similar narration voices. I'm usually more animated during simracing and motorsport commentary which I've done for over a decade now so it's nice to embrace a chilled and relaxed side when learning.
I agree, GrrMeister. I found it extremely strange that after Tito Rabat's horrific accident last year at Silverstone they didn't red flag the Dovi/Quartararo incident. Two riders lying injured in the gravel and a burning motorbike aren't enough danger?
Nevertheless circuits like the Isle of Man-TT or other street-circuits in the UK and Ireland still exist and flourish. Despite up to 5 dead riders every year during the TT-races alone. It's a pity of course, but everyone participating knows that it can happen. And there is no chance to improve anything further on this the longest circuit in the world.
Very great video ; so thank's ! And for the tracks abandoned by the Fomula 1 ; there is (about my house, but who receive now the France Lorry Race : Charade - Clermont-Ferrand) ; & Jackie Stewart say : "It's the world's best circuit". Friendly Circuits of the past
Perhaps some games company could bring some of these old tracks to life virtually, with some of the old cars from past decades, a sort of F1 classics series, when cars used to crash, instead of the boring races we get today.
i think the new hokenheim is good for this era of F1 cars, as the speed the cars would achieve would not be just dangerous for the drivers, but dangerous for the spectators as well, and because the track is smaller you get a great view of the entire track
There are great modern tracks, even some Tilke tracks are interesting. But what they did to hockenheim completely destroyed the unique feel of the race. Other tracks have also been modernized over the years and managed to keep their character. Just look at Spa, Monza or Silverstone. They went too far in Hockenheim.
The old Osterreichring was awesome, but then, it lacked the run-offs for the mountain section. Would be pretty dangerous for newer cars unless they make the run-offs larger. Especially on Bosch Kurve.
The Bosch-Kurve has been replaced since 1996 by the Raugh Corner (Turn 4) which has now a run off. The section after HellaLicht would be a problem, because there is no space on the outside for a run off.
They created a simulation of the old Spa circuit and found that a 2018 F1 car would be at full throttle for 94% of the lap.
Yeah for todays F1 it would be too fast. Even the current circuit is a lot full throttle. I rember in the 90's they brake for Pouhon, now they only lift a little for the first one.
@@Circuitsofthepast Pouhon became full throttle/small lift in qualy only after 2017 rules, they used to brake and downshift in V10 V8 era
But isnt that F1 is supposed to be ? Flat balls out racing ! Not like it is now with fuel saving on some tracks . The hybrid era maybe faster but its all about managing different modes on the car , Senna would have hated it .
@@rockypupoxo 94% on throttle is more like drag racing
I agree with both skandre7 7 7 and rockypup1968. Todays F1 is more about fuel and tyres saving, while it should be about pushing to the limit. On the other way, a track which is 94% full throttle is not interesting. There should be a good mix of different corners. Not like the old AVUS (for example), but for sure also not like the modern Tilke track with the only fast corners after a very slow corner, so you tan take it easy flat out.
They ruined Hockenheim when they changed it , some brilliant races in both F1 cars and on bikes .
Dont say they ruined it. It's still an insanely good track when u see the last 2 years were upon the best for centuries
Agree! It lost what made it Hockenheim
@@daijirokatoh3769 And they completely removed much of the old track, e.g, the 'Jim Clark' big sweeping turn.! I read there were German tax incentives to destroy it and plant trees and hay-grass.
@@SCYN0 because it was raining, old Hocke had its character and was unique in terms of car setup only second to Monza. Currently in F1 most tracks demand similar medium or high downforce what makes things easier
@@SCYN0 its more like a mickey mouse kart track now compared to how it use to be , just my opinion , but its no where as good as it was .
Hockenheimring was absolutely ruined. The length of the track meant you could have rain on one side and dry on the other. Wings basically at horizontal angles for straight line speed. They should never have changed it!
It was a great circuit: the nearly horizontal wings meant that the cars had very little downforce at the twisty Motodrom section, so it was tricky and mistakes were common.
I feel like they could convert that into a endurance track
Tilke only did what he did because the rest of the land was already sold to the local government, that's all he had to work with, and they wanted chicanes and massive runoffs too...crying shame but he did what he had to do
@@charlesklass4209 he was going to leave it original to the first chicane, then have a hairpin and a long straight to the senna chicane then as it is today... the local govt couldn’t even make that concession.
I think the newer circuit is better, but I think they should have kept the old layout for other divisions of racing
We miss the old Hockenheimring!
At least we can relive Rouen-les-Essarts, old spa, old Monza, old silverstone and old hokenheim in project cars 2
I really wish the French 'Ring to be modernized and re-open, gosh by the few looks it was epic ! ;0)
@@poplaurentiu4148 It will not happen... our governement hate everything related to speed and noise. They want us all in 50hp electric car.
Yes
@@lordofkiwi5144 c'est assez dommage quand on se dit que c est les français qui ont inventé le sport auto
Wait Rouen is in pc2?
I remember the old Hockenheim Ring from Formula 1 on the PS1
IIGrayfoxII you could cut the chicanes and drive sectors 1 and 2 flatout
I play F1WGP on N64 i miss that track playing as Häkkinen and win races
Its also on f1 2019
The Hockenheim with the blast through the woods was one of my favorite tracks. I still have VHS footage of Nigel Mansell bounding over the kerbs at the chicanes on his way to a fantastic qualifying lap. The new layout is completely uninspired.
On F1 2001 on the PS2 if you jumped start, drove your car into the tree section and stoped in the middle of the road about 50 yards before the first chicane, the Ai cars would plow into you and cause spectacular multiple pile ups with cars flipping everywhere . I did load's. sometimes reversing a little helped, I still have that game .
My favourite of all time
World Superbike was the series to see at Hockenheim bfore F1 destroyed it.
Still take the new layout over some of the newer tracks which have no memory/heritage. You could argue new tracks need time to develop heritage and a fanbase but some just flat out don't have the requisites to do so. Russia? Korea? I'll temper my criticism a bit as Korea did have some good corners but economics wasn't in their favour. I especially like Velancia which in a way had charm and died off far too soon. The bridge, the tight corners, it was different.
The old Hockenheim was a great track, but races were not very interesting there. The fast cars ran away and there was not too much challenge. Monza has the same feature.
Rest in Peace Anthoine Hubert 💔🙏🏼
Yeah very sad :( RIP Anthoine Hubert.
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Race in Paradise
Who is A. Hubert?
Really enjoy this format with commentary and a track map. Great!
Thank you. A new video in this style is in production.
Yes. I do wish the narrator/ producer would spend a bit of time (could be done on the phone) to learn and adopt correct French pronunciations. Rather than offhand mangled English ones.
Thanks, on Google Earth you can see the old lay-outs more clear in the past (using time stamps). Hockenheim old layout is still there in 10/2000.
I appreciate your passion for abandoned race tracks. You look at them and they still have the magic...What people did to the Hockenheimring is a shame. In 1992 I was there to see the F1 GP. (Senna, Berger, Mansell, Patrese, a young Schumacher) Never forget... in 1977 my parents took me to the old Nürburgring. I still regret for not having taken fotos with a cam. Even that this day was no race some training sessions of several touring cars were very amazing. I also remembered looking to the Südlurve and wondered what part of the Nordschleife that was and why no cars were driving there. I didn't know that this were the old Südschleife. Unfortunately I was too young to explore and my parents weren't intetested in more Nürburgring. Thx for your efforts to show us the abandoned tracks...Grüße aus Deutschland...
Danke für das Teilen der Erinnerungen! Grüße aus den Niederlanden.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video. I've made many of those pilgrimages myself - my wife thought I was the only one crazy enough to do so - because I love the feeling of the historic fabric and hearing the voices of ghosts. It's a moving experience to be transported backward in time but bittersweet to see the utter disregard for what for many of us is hallowed ground. Nothing says we cherish and venerate the memories you gave us like the sound of a bulldozer!
Thank you. Now you can show you're wife you're not the only one :D Yes it's a bittersweet feeling exploring those abandoned circuits. On one side it's such a cool experience. On the other side it's motorsport history in decline.
I'm from Germany and at first I say sorry for my bad English.
I knew the old Hockenheimring very well, I was born not far from there. I must say that it don't like the new Hockenheimring because of the changing of the atmosphere. In the past there was a atmosphere like a stadium. Sure, the fans don't saw their hero's very often because one lap was very long. But the speed on the track was very high and the races where so spectacular because of the high-speed. The new layout (i think Hermann Tilke is one reason for that) is nearly boring. A typical Tilke-Track... I don't like it.
Yes Tilke designed the new section of Hockenheim, but he's not resonsible for the destruction of the old track. However, I don't like his designs neiter. They all have the same components, he copy pasted the corners from track 1 to track 2, 3 and so on. And most fast corners are after a very slow corner, so they are easy full throttle.
Circuits of the past he only did some little tweaks to his track designs (placement, elevation changes, etc.) but still made it boring lol
They should save up money, find a sponser like RedBull, and invest in making the old section drivable again.
But it will surely cost loads of money.
@@DJLauth they actually remade the track due to their own initiative. They know that track will be forgotten due to how simple the track is and feared that the track would be considered dull. But WHY they chose Tilke to design it?
@@remiicario I know. Something about not selling tickets in the forrest section, was the official statement to remake the track, if i remember right.
It was Kieth Odor, also known as Kieth O'dor who died at Avus. He was the son of Jan Odor who started Janspeed. He was a very talented touring car driver who drove the rapid, but under-funded and under-developed Janspeed Nissans in the BTCC to some surprising results, considering the manufacturer power and spending they were up against, and were probably responsible for Nissan running a full, manufacturer funded team in the BTCC later in the '90s...
I remember playing f1 challenge 99-02 , and then in the 99 season racing at the old hockenheim , I was impress on how long the track was .
Loss of the old Hock was a particular shame for me and other F1 fans here in Wiltshire as some teams would test their aero and gearing for the Hock here at Kevill Airfield.
Yes it was a good aternation of the calendar, even if it was not a technical circuit. Interesting information about Kevill Airfield. Thanks!
Is that an incorrect spelling of Keevil?
@@GUNNERSIGHTZEROED I think so. I never heard about it untill Ian told me about it here. But after paste it into Google I learned it should be Keevil.
@@GUNNERSIGHTZEROED You are quite correct, I could probably misspell my own name. As to the testing, many F1 fans would show up for the tests as the engine noise could be heard for miles. A Renault V10 F1 engine is pretty distinctive!
@@Circuitsofthepast Your right, I've lived here 50yrs+, so no excuse other than idiocy! Just an extra piece of information, at one of the Williams tests (1998 I think) the driver was some kid called Juan Pablo Montoya. Wonder what became of him?
Wonderful historic information. This insight goes to prove, to build truly great tracks, the whole town has to be behind it. In the U.S. it's all private money, and that doesn't leave us with enough large, new road courses. Here, we run inside an oval and up onto the banking. These are fun, but are a lot of the samething. These Euro tracks have a beauty unto each of them.
Very enjoyable to see the old spa track ,dangerous and spectacular at the same time,no words can properly express the skill and daring the drivers of that era showed.🇦🇺👍
Great video. It makes me sad to see this being forgotten but I thank you for keeping the past alive
The word for Hockenheim is emasculated
Or travesty. That's what I also heard many times about Hockenheim.
De-balled.
just like married men and men in relationshits...
@@incorectulpolitic sounds like you can't find yourself a woman
Thank you for the video, my dad was a big F1 nut and many summer holidays were spent visiting these tracks (with my dad pushing his Renault 19 past the legal limit on the left over tracks/public sections). Have fond memories of exploring the grandstand at Reims-Gueux and have spent ages trying to find out where it was!
Thanks for sharing this story. Good to hear there are more people like me :D
F1 should go back to Charade, looks a wonderful track and very picturesque, anything is better than the eye sore and bore fest that is Paul Ricard circuit!
Very interesting video.
Thank you. Charade would be a more technical track than Paul Ricard. On the other side, it would be more difficult to overtake there, and the safety could also be an issue. So maybe they would require adjustments that would ruin Charade.
@@Circuitsofthepast TV coverage would be all but impossible too.
surprised Südschleife wasn't on the list
but guess F1 didn't really race that part of the track
The 1960 German GP, which was a non-World Championship race for F2 cars, was held on the Sudschleife. Compared with the modern F1 Nurburgring circuit it was an absolutely brilliant 'proper' road-racing circuit, ie not a mickey mouse, glorified kart track
I remember racing the Nivelles circuit very well. It was in the beginning of the eighties and we were competing some races in the Dutch national competition series after a previous year with to many lethal accidents on Dutch road circuits (think Man style including curbs trees and houses to spice things up a little). Even then the buildings surrounding the track were almost falling apart and trees were growing in the grandstands. Track surface was horrible with the bike (Z900 based) bouncing around and understeering in the great loop. Those were the days my friends......
Bedankt voor het delen van dit verhaal. Ik heb ook gehoord dat ze in die tijd voor de afwisseling het circuit tegengesteld reden. Ik heb er zelfs een foto van. Die kun je hier zien: www.circuitsofthepast.nl/nl-NL/nivelles
@@Circuitsofthepast : That's right, the circuit itself wasn't very challenging except for the big loop (it just kept going on and on and on...), but because of the wide runoff areas and the possibility to ride the circuit in two directions combined with adding or leaving out chicanes you could drive a different kind of track every weekend. I only remember driving the track clockwise direction. Another tricky thing of the circuit was that you mostly heated up your slicks on the right side (driving clockwise) but leaving the big loop you needed all the grip you could get on the left side of the tires to accelerate out of the 130 degrees lefthander that followed. Some exciting memories there.
I drove it only by car, but I remember the exit of the Big Loop. The short straight was just long enough to switch from the left to the right side and brake for the left-hander.
I love these small, abandoned sections, that they not even used for public roads. Thickly surrounded by all these bushes and trees!
So old...so peaceful and quiet...
Hockenheim was the beginning of the FIA changing tracks. Though the track management were the ones who commissioned the work, it was that work which started the trend of altering tracks, and the FIA just happened to choose the same guy
What's IMO most interesting about these old tracks (even those that still exist like Monza or Hockenheim) is that back in the days they were basically straight lines and had just very few sharp corners or banked corners. That means that the divers of those times had even less influence than they have today because with these kinds of tracks, whoever has the most powerful engine wins.
The powerful engine aspect was on full-display at the 1967 Italian Grand Prix with Jim Clark driving the Lotus 49 with the Cosworth DFV engine.
A flat tire had him falling wwwaaayyy back; only to have him go through the field and build up a 30 second lead going into the last lap, only to lose with his car running out of fuel.
That was a full-display of how dominant the DFV engine was in 1967 when nothing broke in that Lotus.
The advantages the Brabham team had in 1967 was the the lightness of the car and engine reliability.
I love those shots of the classic Monza banking. One of my favorite GP tracks.
Love the old Scirocco!
Thank you :)
I come from Clermont-Ferrand, so I know well the Charade's circuit. The deleted part is my sandbox when I ride my motobike. It is a big pleasure to discover other old F1 circuits. Thanks a lot !
You're welcome! Yes it was big fun to drve the old part of the Clermont-Ferrand circuit. Especially the fast banked corner (15:11) before the long climb, where I overtake that slow driving car :)
Hockenhiem is a prime example of a ruined circuit. I get that they felt that it needed to be modernized but they went way too far. I felt at the time and even more so now that the old part should have been left or just used like the old Nurburgring is now.
I agree.
I´m glad to see many feel the same about Hockenheim as I. Only thing I would have changed of the old version was the first chicane, it seemed an unnecessary disruption to the flow of the lap.
I remember attending races at Riverside Raceway in Southern California. IMHO it was a great track as good as any in Europe. It was a fully complete track and had been raced on for years and years. It's now a housing tract. That sucks.
I agree, Riverside was a great track. In 2012 I visited the location. Unfortunately nothing reminds to the motorsport past of the site. See also this video: ruclips.net/video/RGNToJaUhXU/видео.html
The aspect I loved about Riverside was the ability of the drivers to go 'wheel to wheel' with competitors; unlike Laguna Seca, that while it is in a picturesque setting, sees race lead changes happen due to pit stops.
The Motor Trend 500 NASCAR races were the stuff of legends, particularly the 1966 running that saw an epic race long battle between Dan Gurney and the legendary Curtis Turner where, as one journalist ( Brock Yates I believe ) described them assaulting one another 'with everything bar a lead pipe'..........!!!!
05:34 cool to see the beauty is coming back to some old circuits
The Montjuic is still used in bicycle racing... most often in the tur de catalunya... the tour often finishes there
Yeah I have seen cyclists there on TV, doing a lap on the track before they finish.
Great video, sad to see Hockenheim on first place but I totally agree.
I remember watching Rubens Barrichello’s first win there in 2000 in a crazy rainy race. It broke my heart to see what they did to the circuit in 2002, an amazing and unique track was transformed into a regular and boring one.
Glad they still make the classic circuit in games (not only Hockenheim) so we can have a shot of those good times.
Nostalgia is a strange thing... The races on the old track were actually very boring
Joske78 I agree somehow but I believe they were relatively boring because of the huge mechanical and technological gaps between the teams.
@@CFS08 Maybe you're right. All I can say is I personally find it a little tedious running long races on sims because of the (maybe to) long straights.
I have also mixed feelings about the old track. It was absolutely not a great track as many fans claim. However, it was good for the alternation on the calendar. And what they did to the track is a shame and it was unneccesary. The old track may have been unpopular by most drivers and a little boring. On the other side it was an unique track with it's contrast between the woods and the stadium. Now they replaced the historic part of the track by an average modern section.
Circuits of the past Yes that’s exactly what I mean. It didn’t produce super exciting races but the track was unique. My nostalgia is much more about the circuit rather than the races.
It is crazy how you visited all these countries.
11:10 *Belgian GP Circuit 1961 - I remember this well, after watching the Grand Prix Race sitting within inches of the track at Malmedy, after the road reopened did a circuit in my then Car the Fabulous Citroën DS19 and was absolutely amazed how quick they got around the track, I had to change down gears at many of the steep uphill sections. There looked to be a Thunderstorm Brewing so decided to leave and drove all night with my mates quietly sleeping away to Salzburg (no 3) where I had no idea of a Race Track being there, but bought an amusing metal plaque "Actung Sheifer Hund" I still have it today as have two Chihuahuas !*
Thank you for sharing your story. In the 90's I visited the Belgian GP too. After the race the track went also open for traffic those day's. So in the evening I went back and drove some laps on the old track. And sometimes also on the new section, but this was actually illegal. In 2017 I visited the Salzburgring and made this slow onboard: ruclips.net/video/fXVlx4WDPRI/видео.html
Frankly, having those old layouts of Hockenheimring, Spa-Francorchamps and Monza (as well as a couple other classic track layouts like the 60s version of Silverstone) is one of my favourite things about Project Cars 2!
The old Hockenheim was a brilliant track and my favorite on my F1 gaming calendar even being Australian I preferred it over the Adelaide and the newer Albert Park in Melbourne
@Cini minis I remember hearing about Port Wakefield but never really saw anything of the track or what it was even shaped like
I love them old (proper) race circuits especially Hockenheim....think I`ll dig out the old Play Station and have a blast around it in a Ferrari, thanks for posting this I found it just by chance.
You're welcome!
Great video . Watched the whole thing . Hockenheim change was the biggest shame in f1 track history . Just think how much money they would be making now if they have kept it for historic races
Thank you!
*_"The gate of Nivelles inspired him in 2003 to start a website about lost circuits._*
*_The name?_*
*_“Circuits of the Past!”"_*
And with that, I immediately tapped on the subscribe button with no hesitation. That actually made me smile, not gonna lie.
Thank you :)
@@inanimateuser9828 Thanks :)
@@inanimateuser9828 same lel
Excellent video and commentaries. It's very interesting to rediscover these old circuits
Thank you :)
Can‘t forget those screaming engines at Hockenheim in the 90s. I loved that track. I don’t watch races on the new version of the track. It’s a horrible, dead race track like most of the Tielke-tracks. His only good race track is Sepang.
I actually went to Spa Francorchamps in 2000 just when the circuit became permanent and you couldn't drive on it. I did drive on the old part looking for the Plain Vent restaurant (where the Jordan team celebrated it's first victory)
I visited the Belgian GP several times in the 90's. Those days you could after the race drove the full lap on the old track. And even the new section was accessible, but that was illegal.
I think I did actually see one year that ticket holders walking down Kemmel Straight, so I believe today you can walk a lap of the track after the race
@@reptongeek That was already in the 90's. Immediately after the race they opened the fences and leave the spectators on the track. Then we walked over the track to the pitlane. I remember in 1994 a drunk idiot took a fire extinguisher from a marshall post and sprayed extinguishing powder on the track. Sometimes there were also cars left, while the spectators were already on the track. Once there was a Sauber surrounded by safety guards. Later I heard they were there because people go sit in the car for a picture.
The current Tilke-Hockenheim is not Hockenheim. It's so far from the original and the most well known version with the long straigths through the woods with chicanes. Oh how I miss the 90s when Formula 1 cars sounded like race cars and screamed through the woods. The current Hockenheim and the current cars that sound more like vacuum cleaners are so boring compared to that.
Thanks for the awesome video by the way! I did not know France had so many fancy looking tracks. It actually makes me wonder even more why the current French GP is on Paul Rickard which is also a very boring track. I would love to see Magny-Cours return...
Here in Finland a legendary race-track was Keimola. Abandoned a long time ago, the area became forested. Now there's high-rise housing with the streets somewhat matching the original track.
Yes I know Keimola. Mika Häkkinen started his carreer there on the kart track. It is also presented in one of my videos: ruclips.net/video/zcziY7-uKAA/видео.html
Awesome video, thanks. One comment; Montjuich does not qualify as "abandoned". It was a street track, and all the streets that formed it are still there in pretty good condition. Of course, it's crazy dangerous for today's standards, and having the dedicated Catalunya race track nearby there's zero chances it could ever be raced again. But it would be doable.
His name was Kieth O'dor (yes, the misspelling of his first name was intentional). Son of Jan O'dor of Janspeed fame.
Or 'Keef De-Orr', according to the narrator.
The Hockenheim Hatchetjob: Never Forgive, Never Forget.
I drove around the original (pre permanent track) course through Watkins Glen last year and it was amazing to think racing took place on those roads. I can only imagine that’s how some of these feel when driving on them.
I visited Reims-Gueux on 14th April 2019, the day of the 1000th F1 GP
Cool. The fisrt time I visited is was in 2005, during the French GP weekend. On Sunday there was a revival. In a party tent you could watch F1 at MagnyCours. So I can say I watched the French GP at Reims-Gueux :)
Used to love F1 at the old Hockenheim circuit. The blast through the woods was ace to watch.
Thanks for a great RUclips video. We took in some racing at Monza September 2018. Luckily found the tunnel to the infield for a great experience. While your video extends to present day I couldn’t determine how the old track relates to current track.
Very good video! So sad what happened with original Hockenheim layout, it was one of my favourite circuits
Thanks. Actually the version we now call old Hockenheim was the third version. The original version was the triangular street circuit. However, I agree they shouldn't butcher the old section through the woods. That was the only remain of the original layout and gave the track it's unique character.
Jim Clark chicane, approached at full speed was what prompted Schwantz's infamous. 'Wait until you see God, then brake', technique description.
Tremendous upload , the good old days before health and safety took hold , was surprised how steep the bankig was at the old Monza is & Avus was even steeper, Epic .
Sitges-Terramar had the steepest banking, 66 degrees! Here a video with 5 steep bankings: ruclips.net/video/fDrAoLEmo5M/видео.html
This video also need a remake with the AVUS included.
@@Circuitsofthepast THE STEEPEST BANKING IS AT SITGGS-TRREAMAR?! Man! I did NOT notice that!
With Simon's comment on the images, the video is truly cultural!
Let's hope I said all the names correctly haha :)
Actually no hahaha ;) But the audience understands what you mean.
Reims in France or Charade in my region with a ancient wall near the golf of Manson.
*A rather Glaring Omission was **_Donington Park Circuit (UK)_** where Pre War 2 (39-45) races were held, and I presume right on your doorstep. This is thriving today, and was used as the European GP (wet race with Senna winning in April 1993 where I watched with awe) Unfortunately it failed to meet standards after spending enormous amounts to be accepted as a modern F1 circuit, and is now held at very difficult to reach Silverstone, near Towcester. The road infrastructure is totally unable to handle GP traffic and it took me more than an hour to leave car park after the race in 2019.*
Well, it's actually not on my doorstep, because I'm from the Netherlands. However, I visited Donington Park last year, including the lost part of the Melbourne Loop: ruclips.net/video/eGy3kRLonQQ/видео.html
@@Circuitsofthepast *Amazing went to the MotoGP with 2 friends from The Netherlands who stayed with me over the weekend. (from Harmelen)*
Great Video!.. I really like the old circuits.. I've been on the Nordschleife, Francorchamps and one day i sneaked through a fence to ride on the old part of Zandvoort..from the top of Hunzerug all the way to Tunnel Oost..
also.. i've ridden Santamonica in Italy when it was still counterclockwise..
The Local roads around Francorchamps still make you feel like you're on a racetrack..
Also, i've driven some of these tracks in the "Grand Prix Legends" Game.. and Nivelles is quite a challenge..
Bedankt. Ik ben in 1989 vlak na de opening van het interim-circuit van Zandvoort ook eens vanaf het parkeerterrein het oude gedeelte opgereden. Eerst tegengesteld naar de hekken op de Hunserug (niet Hunzerug) en toen terug naar het Bos Uit. Aanvankelijk had ik nog aardig de gang er in, maar bij het Scheivlak liep een vrouw met haar hondje te wandelen. Toen besloot ik toch maar wat langzamer te rijden.
Later toen het bungalowpark er stond kon je nog via een woonwijk de baan op, vlak voor waar ooit de Panoramabocht was. Maar al gauw hadden ze Tunnel Oost eruit gehaald en gebruikten ze een deel van het oude circuit als woonwagenkamp.
I remember watching short course truck racing on TV as a kid and the commentator kept saying “SUPRISE ARIZONA!!” Fast forward 9 years and I got called on a mission to that area but I couldnt find any raceways on google maps. One day I was driving down the road on the outskirts of town and saw some lucas oil flags waving and realized this was the same place. We found a way in and drove our way around the tattered circuit in our Frontier. The podium was still there so of course we got photos on it. Its a fulfilling memory but it’s so heartbraking to see something so cool and amazing get overgrown and ruined
I recognize that double feeling. It is very cool to visit an abandoned race track. But as a motorsport fan, it's sad at the same time.
I love your channel about historical race track for f1 & other motorsports
Thank you :)
Very good and interesting video. I have visited the old banking at monza myself a few years ago. The history is amazing
Thank you!
Two years ago I also visited imola to see ayrton sennas memorial. What a place
I clicked on the vid because of the Scirocco but stayed for the beautifully well done video.
Keep up the good work
Thanks! Yes that was my silver VW Scirocco, when I visited Nivelles for the first and second time. Later I had another Scirocco and a Corrado.
@@Circuitsofthepast Very lovely cars.
My current Scirocco looks exactly like your old one :)
Forgot to mention the fact that Patrick Depailler lost his life at Hockenheim too back in 1980.
Amazing work and really good investiagations on these tracks. Keep it up :)
MCF
Thank you! :)
That was an excellent and very interesting production. Nostalgic emotions in play now. Thank you so much.
You're welcome and thank you for your reaction.
When I lived near Brussels in the early 90's I often used the Nivelles circuit to have a few laps with my classic car...Still assessible by than although highly illegal.......
AVUS was part of the new DTM back In the mid 90s and the 95 outing was the first ever race I saw as a kid
I have now a new video from the AVUS in production.
Here in Canada, Mosport and Curcuit Mount-Tremblat are two former F1 tracks still operating today.
Yes I know them from TV. Both very cool tracks. If I ever go to Canada I will at least visit Mont-Tremblant.
Circuits of the past mosport is 100 km away from my home but i have never been there.
Que dor no meu coração ver esses templos da velocidade, abandonados dessa maneira......
Muito triste......
Mas muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal......
Abraço do Brasil......
Obrigado!
The voiceover kept me watching this ❤
It's heartbreaking seeing what was done to Hockenheim. The old black forest circuit was so beautiful and fast.
Amazing video - keep going. it's history there. twice more interesting than BBC pre race track info... you learn more here than anywhere else.
Thanks!
i like the new Hockenheimring! Fast Straights, slow and fast corners and the Rico Anthes Quartermile 😍
I drove at Hockenheim and I can tell you it's the easiest track to learn I ever have driven. The only corner which is a bit of a challenge is the first corner. It's one of the two fast corners, the other one is where you enter the Motodrom again. The kink between the hairpin and the chicane is easy full throttle, so no real corner.
Formula1 had make a huge mistake< to let Herman Tilke ruined the current tracks,and let him design terrible tracks like for example China,Abu Dhabi,Russia,COTA
A natural follow-up on Bernie Ecclestone, who also ruined motorcycle GP racing.
I love these videos. There is a chill vibe around them.
Thank you :)
I live near brooklands (oldest purpose built racetrack in the world) in southern England
The banking is still there and it's a captivating place to visit .
I know, that's why I visited Brooklands last year. Check my Brooklands videos: ruclips.net/video/4tiHJE3HtlA/видео.html
Keith Odor - He had several big crashes in BTCC. He ended up outside the catch fence by the Old Hairpin at Donington.
I almost get teary eyes when i remember walking on those old Hockenheim parts, the years just after the reconstruction, imagining how those guys went 330 kph past me.... it was a car park then during the gp. I walked all the way from the former Senna chicane to the stands there...
The old Hockenheim was legendary. See F1 race into those woods was amazing. Now, like many modern F1 tracks, is just a go-kart track with no “soul” at all. Even the historic A1 Ring (do not know how to write its original name), was amazing and now ruined
The original name of the Red Bull Ring is Österreichring ;)
Herman now holds the new lap record for all these tracks,
Reconstruction and abandonment in 2002 of the old Hockenheim circuit with the high speed sections through the forest was and is a travesty and is one of the biggest acts of wanton butchery in history of motorsport…
Still miss my favourite track of all time today…
WONDERFUL video.
I really appreciate the effort you have put into it.
Thank you.
☮
Thank you for your comment.
Wow, I didn't know that the Hockenheim track was changed because of the owners themselves. I always thought it was changed to this modern version because of FIA's demands.
Many people think, and that was also told those days. But there is an interesting documentary in German language where they figured everything out. If I have time I will translate the main points in English.
Great job as usual.
Thank you :)
Swear to god this guy sounds a bit too much like Chain Bear F1
Thanks for the comment, went to check out who it was and we do have similar narration voices. I'm usually more animated during simracing and motorsport commentary which I've done for over a decade now so it's nice to embrace a chilled and relaxed side when learning.
I almost thought it was Chain Bear haha, very confusing
That was an incredibly informative video,
Enjoyed massively
Thanks!
8:30 *Thank goodness that F1 Circuits today have Safety foremost in mind for both Drivers and Spectators. I attended the British MotoGP© last weekend (August 25th Silverstone) and after seeing Andrea Dovizioso and Fabio Quartararo crash on Copse Corner was shouting STOP THE RACE. I have been at quite a number of Racing Events from the early 60's to date, where Riders and Drivers have been killed, and no feeling is worse. To say "They Died doing the Sport they Loved" is not good enough and an insult to their memory.*
sadly today F2 driver Anthoine Hubert passed away after a horrific crash in Spa. It can never be safe enough.
I agree, GrrMeister. I found it extremely strange that after Tito Rabat's horrific accident last year at Silverstone they didn't red flag the Dovi/Quartararo incident. Two riders lying injured in the gravel and a burning motorbike aren't enough danger?
@@bijn1848 - a very tragic incident, reminiscent of Zanardi's awful crash. RIP Anthoine Hubert.
Nevertheless circuits like the Isle of Man-TT or other street-circuits in the UK and Ireland still exist and flourish. Despite up to 5 dead riders every year during the TT-races alone. It's a pity of course, but everyone participating knows that it can happen. And there is no chance to improve anything further on this the longest circuit in the world.
GrrMeister that was nowhere near the 2016 start mess when 2 riders fell at 170 mph.
Just wow. The effort and the story behind each track is really really interesting. Great RUclipsr. Found a new Sub :)
Thanks!
The Österreich Ring reminds of the the Salzburgring layout , with that first chicane and the fast banked corners.
You did a great job doing this video man 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks! :)
Very great video ; so thank's ! And for the tracks abandoned by the Fomula 1 ; there is (about my house, but who receive now the France Lorry Race : Charade - Clermont-Ferrand) ; & Jackie Stewart say : "It's the world's best circuit". Friendly Circuits of the past
Nice video! Thanks!
You're welcome :)
Perhaps some games company could bring some of these old tracks to life virtually, with some of the old cars from past decades, a sort of F1 classics series, when cars used to crash, instead of the boring races we get today.
i think the new hokenheim is good for this era of F1 cars, as the speed the cars would achieve would not be just dangerous for the drivers, but dangerous for the spectators as well, and because the track is smaller you get a great view of the entire track
GET OUT, NOW!!!
There are great modern tracks, even some Tilke tracks are interesting. But what they did to hockenheim completely destroyed the unique feel of the race. Other tracks have also been modernized over the years and managed to keep their character. Just look at Spa, Monza or Silverstone. They went too far in Hockenheim.
I love this kind of thing. Thanks for posting!
You're welcome.
The old Osterreichring was awesome, but then, it lacked the run-offs for the mountain section. Would be pretty dangerous for newer cars unless they make the run-offs larger. Especially on Bosch Kurve.
The Bosch-Kurve has been replaced since 1996 by the Raugh Corner (Turn 4) which has now a run off. The section after HellaLicht would be a problem, because there is no space on the outside for a run off.
Thankfully we have modern video games that allow us to run on these circuits without concerns of safety
Really nice presentation! Thank you.
You're welcome!