Will PC Gamers move to PS5?
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- PlayStation has made it clear its intention to try and convert a percentage of the PC gaming crowd to PS5. Do you think they can convince enough of the PC gamers to move to PlayStation?
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The short answer is NO; but I do think there are many PC gamers who may ALSO buy a PS5, which is what I believe Sony are hoping.
I don’t think any of Sony’s executives are that deluded, as to think that many gamers are going to completely give up their PC library.
However, there may be a few people with really low rigs (10 series cards or below) who may simply decide it’s cheaper just to move to console, but I don’t think that will be very many.
Sony wouldn’t go down this path if the data didn’t support it.
They don't got any data. They're as blind to it as the people defending the strat. Only real-world data we got is Xbox, and well you see how that's turned out.
PC is where the money is. Console players dosent even buy their own games. look at hellsdivers 2. have sold twice as much on PC than Console.
Console gamers talking about PC hardware is crazy.
I probably have more PCs than you lol - 3 different gaming rigs with 2080ti's and a streaming rig as well. But go off, king.
@@ReforgeGaming Lol you bought three 20 series GPU’s 🤣
@@ReforgeGaming make a video showing it off I don't belive you
THE AMOUNT OF COPPIUM IS INSANE
Bro didnt even took in consideration FSR or DLSS framegeneration.
"Oh my 2070ti is to wick to run GTA 6 smoothly"
"Enables FSR 4 Frame Generation"
Problem solved.
Console players are like 10 years behind standard PC tecnology lmao.
lol, from the pc master race boys? imagine thinking that you can speak for all 130+ million steam users when the majority of them have proven to not care about having the best rigs and performance...|
the response to this as been comical. I simply state that it appears some of the pc user base would be willing to get a PS5, and I get seething malding pc fanboys in my comments. LMAO
@@ReforgeGaming keep copping lmao.
@@ReforgeGamingLike/Dislike Ratio. LMAO
Um nope. PC gamers don’t want nor need a PS5.
Did you watch the video? You think all 130 million steam users will never buy a PS5? Especially when 70% of them are on weaker rigs.
@@ReforgeGamingMy guy, you don't need a PC to be More powerful than a PS5 to play Sony Games on PC, that's the point, you can spent less money to be able to play those instead of buying the console
I bought one then sold it lol
As a over 30 year pc gamer peak for yourself some of us pc gamers have both and will always have both !
@@ReforgeGaming $500usd on an upgrade of PC Hardware while keeping current library. Definitely beats $500usd on PS5 and having to repurchase games.
I bought a PS5 when my hardware was getting outdated. Have since bought a high end rig. Just grateful i'm fortunate enough to have both. We're all gamers, platform warring is pointless.
Why would anyone on PC pay 500 t0 600 when that money could be used to upgrade there PC plus all games will play better and have more features on PC.
mid to low level PCs make up the majority, and 600 is a bargain to get better performance than they currently get
@@ReforgeGaming better performance not really depends on CPU as well PS5 is a CPU you can buy for $50. A person can get 6600xt and ryzen 5500 or 5600 for less then $300 total and case ram SSD PSU motherboard for another $200 and outperform a PS5 for $600
$500 for an box that can't be upgraded, will be out of production every 6-8 years, forces you to pay a subscription just to get online multiplayer, is heavily taxed/outright banned in the majority of the planet, clunky to livestream with and doesn't allow you to mod your games at will.
By "all games" you mean leftovers from console?
@@moneybag97
That's why they make a pro, and then a PS6, and then.....
I've watched the gap shrink between PC and home consoles to the point where the majority of you arguing PC master race, would be better served by a console
Lono pc gamers not going to move to ps5 they not even moving out their chair n going outside
lol rude
Part of the reason why people are not going to buy a ps5 even if they have low end rig is one cant afford to two they dont even play those games and the games they play they are fine with what they have like WoW fortnite Apex counter strike pubg gta v rp etc
I'm not sure what percentage of gamers I represent but I like to have all options open - currently have a gaming PC with an RTX 4080, PS5, Xbox Series X & Nintendo Switch. I use all for their specific strengths - PS5 for the range of exclusives, Nintendo for their exclusives, and PC gaming for those big AAA games, where I can take advantage of the ray tracing and high FPS. PC is also my 'go to' for any single player game that has a big modding scene. My Xbox is literally the only thing that gathers dust lately, with not much use for it but there's always going to a spot in my collection up for the latest Playstation/Nintendo console!
legitimately laughing my ass off at this title already and i haven't even clicked play. no. the answer is no. you definitely don't need 18+ minutes to answer this question 😆
i appreciate your honesty about not having watched the video yet, lol
@@ReforgeGaming i have since watched the video, and in all honesty.... i'm laughing harder now than i was before. trying to use twitter polls and other PS fans as 'data sources' is hilarious, and your arguments all seem to boil down to not understanding the PC market at all, anyway. so yeah, still laughing, and the answer is still no.
Will PC Gamers move to PS5? hell NO
With 20 million PS5 owners who didn’t own a PS4 before, it’s safe to say that some already have.
@@ReforgeGaming oh how wrong you are
how can you convince pc players move to ps5 when ps can't even convince ps4 players move to ps5, around 50% of ps players on cod are on ps4.
30% of ps5 owners didn’t own a ps4. lol. So yeah I’d say they are doing it.
@@ReforgeGaming ur talking as if all of those 30% of ps5 owners that didn’t own a ps4 were all pc players. I assure you that most of them are Xbox players bc Xbox is selling poorly, steam is still growing on average by 18-19% each year. Also the poll should’ve been done in a steam forum instead of twitter so the results could be accurate bc anyone can vote in a twitter poll (which includes console players)
Good point, also the video made me crack up bc bro was really focusing on the lower percentages, not even that but the data that he presents, about most pcs being weaker than the ps5 is already outdated, the most popular gpu is the 3060 and no longer the 1060, it looks like more ppl are upgrading to the 30 and 40 series gpus which are pretty much on par or better than the ps5 gpu.
Brother, if I had a PC that was weaker to a PS5, I would upgrade my PC, not my PS5. PC already has all Xbox games, most PS games, all Nintendo games if you emulate, and PC exclusives games. There are mods, free online, free cloud saving, other emulators for older consoles, portable gaming on devices like the Steam Deck, upscaling features like DLSS, XeSS, and FSR, no closed off platform, customization options, and more.
It would be a straight downgrade, even for people have weaker PC that a PS5 to go out and buy a PS5.
While I started out my gaming life on consoles (Atari 2600)....once I moved out of my parents house after graduating I bought my own PC....that was around 1998 I believe.
That was the only PC I bought, as I have built every one I have owned since then... I have been gaming at over 60 FPS since that time and will never go back to the limitations of console gaming.
Not to mention PC has a vastly larger selection of games for me to play....and I can still go back and play my favorites from 20 years ago whenever I wish. I also use my PC to write code, edit video, record mix and edit audio, surf the web (like now) and ....depending on some of the past hardware I have owned....help heat my man cave.
As a PC gamer...there is absolutely no incentive to switch to ANY console for me. Consoles have fewer games available, the games are more costly, there is an additional REQUIRED fee if I wish to play any of those games online....and they come with a shelf life. I can upgrade parts of my PC at will when I need to...but in the past I have gone almost 10 years with little in the way of upgrades and was still able to play all but the most demanding games at over 60fps.
The best thing about this gen of consoles is that I don’t actually need to buy an Xbox or Sony since they’re thankfully porting their games for PC too.
So if the idea of trying to force PC gamers over to PS5 is the plan.. then already this has failed because the current strategy hasn't changed. Currently we are looking at every 2 years for a PC release unless that will be shortened to a year... No one knows as of yet.
So if nothing has changed and people didn't go out to buy a PS5 to play a sequel then this is another HUGE mistake Playstation has made. Don't they want to make money.??? easy money mind you.
The issue is if a PC user already has a PS5 then obviously they are not going to buy one.. but that also means most users have already decided on not getting one.
Everyone else has to justify spending 500 or more for a console, up to 100 for the game and then around 100 for PS+ for the year and maybe every year depending on if they continue using the console.
that's like 700 min to play 1 game.. you could buy another PC better than a ps5 or actually upgrade you PC to future proof it even more..
The most common of PC gamers game at 1080p native and with fps up to 120 as most PC gamers prefer performance over graphical fidelity.. again if they currently have that build they would rather spend that 700 on upgrading their PC. If their card can use upscaling tech then of course they would.
A PS5 runs games at an upscaled 720p resolution... so again from a PC gamers perspective 720p upscaled is a downgrade.
Now one thing to mention regarding exclusivity that I haven't heard anyone mention..
The strategy is to entice PC players with the 1st instalment of a game.. then say if you want to play the next instalment earlier you need to buy a console....... so the question is... does that mean all new franchises will release day and date on PC but the sequel will be timed exclusive to console????
Interesting question as why would a PC user potentially wait up to 2 years to play the first game after it released on PS5 and then up to 6 years for the next installment....( Development time and then 2 year waiting after release on console first )
NO PC gamer would entertain that, any buzz would be dead!!!!!
The whole Playstation PLAN is based on sequel's!!!!!! seems like a flawed strategy to me... i can see them within 2 years changing to day and date. Sony just doesn't understand PC gamers or respect them for that matter!!!
its not a new plan - its doubling down on the existing so it must be working from their point of view
@@ReforgeGaming Doubling down would indicate that they would do more to make this plan more successful than it currently is... if it is being succesful?.
But the plan has not changed.. its still the same... my question is, how are they doubling down to entice?
IMO They are currently worried about making people switch from PS5 to PC or even PS4 to PC.
The XBOX is already a different discussion.
COD could be a Shift in peoples main console play and spend ( MTX which is something that Playstation is relying alot on currently )
It seems to me they are expecting XBOX sales to rise due to COD so they dont want to give tent pole exclusives day and date to pc.. without that the playstation then has really to nothing to offer.. kinda like xbox currently!!!
the next year is going to be an interesting one as i believe momentun is going to swing a little... i still expect playstation to be in a strong postion at the end of this year those. We wont really know anything for about 2 years those as we need to see the full impact of cod on xbox... but also to see if the same plan for pc gamers works for Sony.
As a owner of both a PS5 and PC.
I see no reason still why a PC gamer would buy a PS5
Lower on average game prices $60 vs $70 and no need for a annual sub to just play online
A huge portion of the PC player base have PCs weaker than a PS5. And 20 million of the 60 million PS5 owners didn’t own a PS4. So I think pc folks are imagining all 130 million steam users are just like them which is crazy presumptive.
For what? GOW, Last of Us, Spider-Man? Why would any PC gamer buy a $500 system for a 20 hour single player game when all those Playstation games go to PC, and all their GAAS hit day n date on PC? The requirements for PS5 games aren't that intense for PC, you don't need a 4090, the minimum specs are extremely easy to run.
PC gamers will just upgrade their rig or wait. Exclusives are dying finally, and I see Playstation releasing all their games day n date to PC in the next few years, if they can end their drought of no 1st party games. If they try to force a launcher on PC to compete with Steam, that'll be hilarious to watch.
PC is a much better ecosystem and has access to almost every single gaming service that has Steam, Xbox, Epic, Cloud gaming. Can also emulate purchased Nintendo games on PC with better performance which is perfectly legal.
no. there’s no reason for us pc users to switch to a playstation console. no benefit.
It not about getting PC users to switch at all, but most of them have a second or 3rd gaming device. It makes PlayStation extremely viable as a secondary purchase, especially when you consider a very tiny percentage of steam users even have hardware that can run PlayStation games at a higher fidelity. It's not about matching specs of PS5, you have to exceed them to get the performance that a purpose built closed system has
Speak for yourself.
I will get a ps5 pro because I want to enjoy GTA6 day one in the best way possible.
I do own an RTX 3080 that I will upgrade to a 4090 or a 5080, depending on the news surrounding computex.
Digital foundrysaid 50% of pc gamers in a their poll said they would buy a console for gta6
@@AlejandroOni you to spend over 600 on a single game? thats kinda dumb
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R well that’s what a part of his argument was,” would pc players upgrade/jump/switch to a playstation?” which is a definite no. add it to your collection? yes, there are probably many pc players that would just to have it for those exclusives. personally, as someone who only owns a potato pc, i still don’t see a reason. i know playstation exclusives will eventually come to pc and i’m already busy with the huge and constantly growing catalog of games we have on pc. a couple of exclusives isn’t enough to make me spend $600.
Great commentary as always. Very clear explanation and direct to the point.
Most pc users don’t have high end PCs eirher
you dont need a High end System to play games... thats why the Series S is outselling the Series X. peope just preffer to play on PC because offer e better value than a console.
The real question is: Will ps5 players move to pc? As we move forward in the games industry more of the content on the console is actually designed for the pc and can be enjoyed more on that platform. HellDivers 2 is just the latest example.
Spending more money to wait longer for games you already enjoy while also leaving behind your library seems like a decision very few will make
@@ReforgeGaming How are you spending more money if you already have a decent PC to play the games, or wouldn't mind paying a couple hundred over cost of the console to get a GPU you'd use for stuff besides gaming? Plus on PC you pay cheaper for the games and don't have to pay for PS+ for online play. You also get tons of mod support and access to way more games, even stuff that's only on PC (not on consoles).
@@samalton5837the OP said PS5 gamers. Not every PS gamer has a PC whatsoever. Even if they do it maybe absolute shit for gaming which will require an investment in ram, CPU,GPU, maybe even a motherboard upgrade and a tower upgrade. Getting something that’s in the same power range of the PS5 APU that won’t work. You need double the amount of power. Because it has to run windows and then it has to process the game at the same time. Also with the coming tariffs that will be passed onto China, the prices of GPUs and CPU will skyrocket. Like Covid prices.
@@naterod You can turn off Windows services and close apps that don't need to run while you game. That solves the resources problem on PC. Plus, the extra money you pay for the GPU, CPU, RAM etc. might be worth it if you already use a PC for other stuff like work or streaming.
It would take something major for me to come to Playstation. Like example, not having to pay for a subscription just to play games with my friends.
That’s like asking a person if they’d choose their electric bike over their car 🤦🏻♂️
If you need to get somewhere… Are you willing to wait a few years to get there? Be my guest 🫡
When the majority of the PC user base are on mid to low end PCs... lol... no
Not if traffic is so heavy it takes the car hours to get somewhere that the bike can get in 30minutes. A bike can out perform cars in situations.
@@pL_TheTerrorMaster I don’t disagree I simply just don’t think ps5 will be prioritized over pc simply because it’s cheaper. People are still going to want their cars but they’ll be more then happy spending a little less later for a bike to be able to get to places a car can’t get. Especially after they get a chance to ride that bike with kratos.
@@LetsDoThis100 but only a few roads are heavy with traffic. Aka the road to hang with kratos, aloy, the ever twisting lands of returnal.
I don’t disagree that pc players will be buying ps5s to play those games I disagree that people are going to suddenly look away from pc because a ps5 is cheaper.
why on earth would I spent $500 on a console +70 for the game plus whatever for police online? So $600 to play a game ? If I’m spending 600 , I’m upgrading my pc.
10% of that 20% is ponys for sure they don’t even owned a pc
10% of the people who bought GOW 2018 is a lot of people
You should do a show with the Sacred Symbols crew.
They need a launcher for crying out loud!! Somebody put me back in the fridge
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I love the new videos, and format. I use to be able to watch live but haven’t been able to for a while for work. These longer form videos are great and well polished.
This was an excellnt Video man!!!!
If Playstation's goal is to bring PC players to Playstation, then they will have to stop bringing their exclusives to PC.
That is the only way to convince them to buy your platform.
This misses the point entirely... the games drive PS5 purchases for the sequels
@@ReforgeGaming No they don't. Didn't Microsoft have the same idea about putting their games on PC would lead to more Xbox sales?
So what happened there?
@@samalton5837 Microsoft put their games on PC day and date. Sony is waiting a year or more to release their single player games on PC. It's a different strategy.
@@toastyburger Not really. MS started porting to PC in 2016 and even then it was case-by-case and only to their own storefront (not Steam). They didn't start Day and Date PC outside of their own storefront 'till 2020.
their exclusives arent even that good... no PC gamer is buying a plastic box just because 2 good games a year LMAO
I have both and i rarely use my ps5. Im only going to use it less and less as time goes by
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I think it’s less about power and more about convenience. Why should I buy a $500 console for a game that could come to PC in a couple years? And when you say that some people don’t even have strong enough PC’s to run the ports, they could spend that $500 to make their PC stronger. I’m saying this as someone without a PC who plays Ps5 and Switch
Yeah thats kinda the thing he isnt getting. Sure if building a new PC from nothing it will cost you 1000-1500. Upgrading an old rig? easily half that.
Yep, even if you make the budget argument, the counter arguments are "long-term" and "FORWARD-COMPATIBILITY". The budget but upgradable and forward-compatible gaming hardware will always win out the budget in the long term.
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Technically i already did because I have a gaming pc but it is older so I basically would have needed a brand new pc to play the latest games.
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Bro it’s 5am in cal for me rn and I’m still here
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As a ps5 owner, the more sony put games onto pc, the closer iam getting to jumping to pc completely!
I would say by the end of this year, i will be a pc gamer again.
I pc gamed way back wen win98 was new!!
128mb of ram was overkill and i struggled to fill up a 20gig hdd!
With sony and ms putting games on pc, its a no brainer.
With sony trying to get pc gamers to buy a ps5, i think more ps5 players will jump to pc.
I mean iam proof of that....or i will be!
Yep and soon enough Sony will realize what a stupid mistake they've made, but by then it'll be too late.
@@samalton5837 what mistake? growing their audience by a metric fuckton? there are WAY more PC players than PS players. the only 'mistake' is it taking them this long to realize how much more money they could have been making this whole time by porting their games to PC.
For just playing games making the switch to console.....nope...i would use the 600$ to either upgrade my rig OR buy a Asus Ally/Steam deck oled/ etc and stay with a ecosystem that gives you admin privileges/competitive pricing/no subscription fees just to play games online....I look at it like this, 10 years from now gpus of today will still be able to run games without the need of buying another computer....vs on console you have to own the consoles that are contemporary with the games of tht time or be charged again to play those games via a monthly subscription service. for alot of PC users the monthly subscription model definitely a no go, Sony/Xbox do away with the sub fee i would definitely consider in buying a console.
This video is just more evidence that console players have no understanding of the pc market like whatsoever. Using the PS5 pro as a reason to move to console when RDNA 4 will give you the highest end current AMD GPU for half the price it is now, probably less is funny. But he wouldn't know this because he doesn't understand the PC audience as evidenced by this entire video
I don't understand the PC audience? Why is 70% of the 130 million steam users on old and outdated rigs? Where did the 20 million ps5 owners come from since they didn't own PS4s?
He never said he wants people to switch to my knowledge, he said he wanted them to buy a PlayStation. You can have more than one device.
When you consider the ps5 was as good as a top of the line PC on release, and the ps5 pro will help keep the gap from widening until PS6.
In all honesty, even if you're one of the very small percentage of people that have hardware to run forbidden West at a higher fidelity, you really aren't gaining much. A little resolution,a few frames, for quadruple the price??
the ps5 released in 2020 and its gpu is based on a RTX2070 which came out in 2018... . The high end pc of that year used a RTX3080 which is nearlyu 60% more powerful than a 2070.
a 2070 at 1080p native can reach frames of around 120 fps.
a 3080 at 1080p can hit around 271 fps.
A PS5 or an XBOX will never be anywhere near a high end PC.
every generation of consoles that release, all gpu's that are equivelant in them drop in price.
Please can people stop saying a Console is as good as a high end PC or even a mid to high end.
its laughable.
@@plummleys4514
A console is a closed system purpose built for gaming, easy to optimize, and the PS5 has custom parts you can't buy off the shelf.
You actually need a stronger card in a PC to get similar performance , because PC games are poorly optimized since it's too many configurations, running windows, antivirus, so on.
You'll always be able to brute force higher performance from a PC, that's not the point.
The gap between them is smaller than ever (on release), we get pro versions keeping the gap smaller, and with diminishing returns, you need to spend quadruple the money, to play the exact same game. Sure you can have a little more resolution, or a few more frames, but it's getting less and less worth it. No company is building games that take advantage of bleeding edge cards anyway, too small of a population
@@plummleys4514 it used to be you would see things on PC flat out not possible, nowhere close on a home console. It was that way for decades really.
All I'm saying is, PC has lost its edge, and console hardware have advanced, to the point where it's virtually the same, and that's interesting as someone who's been gaming since games have been a thing.
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R lol im sorry but you are so incorrect. why does a PS5 have to run 720p and then upscale to get 1080p or 1440p or 2160p at 30fps or 60fps
its beacuse the consoles are too underpowered. a 3080 GPU wipes the floor with the PS5 custom gpu, and we are not even talking about the CPU either.
Talking of CPU's... its rumoured that the PS5 pro is still running the same CPU as its base model so even with a slightly better GPU its still going to be hampered with bottlenecking.
All the pro will do is give you a stable frame rate at 60fps upscaling 720p to 1080p/1440p/2160p.
These current gen consoles are a not cut out for 60fps at higer resolutions and you want to spend a further 600-700 on a pro version which is only going to be a slight difference.. WOW didnt know buying a playstation this gen was like over a 1100.
Oh and forget the poorly optimised comment.. Really.. FF16 still to this day is poorly optimised on the PS5.. that game is a blurry mess in performance mode with stutter etcc... many games this gen on console have been poorly optimised.
Consoles need to stop chasing the 60fps and and above dream or just be satisfied with last gen graphics to acheive it.
Consoles are now starting to show how quickly technology is improving and leaving them behind... In once sense consoles are holding gaming back.
Oh and regardng PC's.. you actually have software on them that minimises all other functionality to ensure games run optimally so this talk of windows and Anti-virus being an issue is nonsense... even most anti-virus software have game modes now!!!
every time a console is released its already 2-3 years behind where pc is.. the PS5 currently is nearly 6 years behind in technology and that gap is ever increasing!!
if you want comfort use a console unless you plug your pc into a tv then it does the same thing.
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R disagree.... every game will look and run better than a console version.. thats just fact.. NATIVE not upscalled.... RAW POWER not FAKE POWER.
The difference is how the game is optimised. This will be different depending on who is doing it and what platform its on.
Going by your own thought if a region can't get a playstation why do they care if it could be sold there. The login requirement is a way to control who buying as well as to get legal regional buying habits to better target with better games. MAU mean little as playstation got into trouble with investors back in February when the banks wanted to know why mau were going up but profits were not at the same rate.
Wait didn’t this work kinda like the last of us when the show came out people literally bought a PS5 just to play the game it isn’t about witch is better to play on but if people will buy a ps5 to play sequel games like ghost of Tsushima it’s not about what’s more powerful but comes down to the individual will they wait for it to come to pc getting the game spoiled or buy a ps5 and play the game when it drops (it’s not about what’s more powerful power is not the issue yall act like games are look god awful on console when it’s a perfectly fine MOST people on pc do not have high end pcs pc players are just fan boying talking about witch is stronger not the convo at all
I have a good Gaming Laptop and also a Series S. Therefore I don’t need a PlayStation.
Games PS5 70 PS games on PC 50 money wise makes more sense to wait. All so do realize those PS5 games you say are 4k 60 are not 4k upscaled to 4k from 900p 720p 1080p same thing mid low end rigs can do plus your tv or monitor will upscale the picture anyway. Also CPU is big part of performance not just GPU like you keep trying make it about.
They wont. If God of War Ragnorok, Horizion 2, Ratchet, etc are all seeing success on PC and Sony has now made people confortable with a 2 year delayed release window there is no incentive to buy the hardware if you just dropped $2000 on a beast PC. Sony has segretated their sales over 2 years now. Sure Microsoft does this to, but the month to month subscriptions to Gamepass sales plus ad-hoc game sales on the day of release is far different than 50 million players have the opprotunity to by the game here- then 50 million more 24 months later.
Spider Man 2 is appropaching profitiablity. It is not profitable. It will be after the PC release. That is based on 10 million copies to. So Sony has managed to create a business environment where 10 million sales don't make you profitable and that amount of sales is the sales threashold on the platform. That is rougly 15 to 20 % of all owners.
Either the hardware has to come down drastically in price to get more software attachment or the PS5 business is setting Sony up for one day a hardwareless Playstation generation by like the inevitable PS7. In 10 to 20 years, what does the console business look like. It will probably be software applications on your TV.
Most of the PC user base isn’t on a PC of that caliber. And 20 million ps5 owners didn’t have a ps4. Those people came from somewhere. I’m willing to bet some came from PC.
@@ReforgeGaming This is true. The cost of a new gaming PC is far more expensive. But the PS4 at this same point was closing in on 90 million consoles.
Are you disagreeing that price drop is necessary for the PS5 games business to be profitable on just one machine?
Ultimately, these companies will find a way to make the money. People shocked by Microsoft's decisions need to keep in mind how much money is at play to. 1 Million Seconds was sometime last week. 1 Billion Seconds was like 1990. Microsoft spent close to 200 Billion between all acquisitions.
Even a console that is 70 Million in sales strong doesn't return that investment when just the PS4 CoD business 2 years ago was worth 800 million.
Sony can sustain a 1 machine profitablity business for their developers, Microsoft simply can not. Sony isn't doing enough to say they care enough about the PS5 hardware. When PS3 struggled they moved and hard. Had the PS5 been released with this same strategy in 2006- it would have been a commerical mess. Sony dropped PS3's price and make content only for PS3. Sony simply isn't trying to move machines because they don't want to take any loss now that PC is a viable solution.
Microsoft would have had to have like 150 Million console sales to sustain that investment.
No to PS5 console and to other future Xbox and PS consoles. I’ll stick with my high end pc and ROG ALLY EXTREME
Another day another great video. Keep that consistency up. Can always depend on it.
Always!
Why switch when you can have both hahaha
I feel that Sony will only make Steam users make a PSN if the game has online functions. Ragnarok has online leaderboards for Valhalla so that might be why.
To weave this in, I wouldn't be surprised if more single player only games have some shoehorned "online" features going forward.
no, the plan is for all games, trust
One thing you have to consider, a PC with a card that matches PS5 technically on paper, still has to run Windows, antivirus, so on. Ps5 is a purpose built closed system easy to optimize.
Look at what it takes for a PC to run forbidden West at the same or higher quality than PS5. You don't only need to match giga Hertz or tflops, you need to far exceed them to match the ps5 actual performance of running a video game
You don't know what you are talking about. The anti virus is built into windows and the CPUs on PC outpace the PS5 in both single and multi threaded performance. Also gigahertz is not a measure of performance. The new AMD CPUs are 15 percent faster than last gen at the same clock speed. Also the CPU that is 15 percent slower (zen4) is about 15 percent faster than Zen 3 and Zen 3 is about 15 percent faster than zen 2 (the architecture the PS5 is on) just for some perspective here.
Also the fact that you use flops as a metric tells me everything I need to know about your grasp of the situation lol
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You talking about your PC? Who's PC do y'all keep referencing? We all know there's the potential to continually by new hardware to stay ahead on PC, it's not a secret. Most people don't, especially the ones out here desperately pushing narritives so hard. There was a time when PC was in a league of its own, that's where "master race" comes from. Diminishing returns, and advances in home consoles (when they are new) have shrunken that gap to the point where the games are virtually the same across both platforms. You can have games at 1440p 60-120fps, some with ray tracing, on a home console. That's impressive.
You PC guys take what's possible to achieve on a PC, and apply it to all PCs, which isn't the reality of the situation, and even then it only amounts to running the same damn games, with a little resolution and frame rates.
I keep a relatively current computer. The highest quality games available to me on that device, is ports on last gen console games
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R DLSS, FSR, XESS. Proving my original point that you don't know what you are talking about. PC and Console gaming doesn't scale linearly. You'll get more 60 fps games on PC than on console with weaker hardware. You have graphical options or upscaling. Or you can use both simultaneously.
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Consoles can use FSR as well, it's in immortal of avium, and PlayStation going forward will have PSSR baked in. Keeping the gap smaller.
PC certainly has more 60fps games, because majority of the games on there are mobile games or similar.
You're missing the point entirely, it's the fact that games with the highest graphical fidelity and quality, are now coming from console, not the other way around. That's just interesting as gamer. Nobody debating you will always have the ability to have better hardware on a computer, but better games are coming from console.
Even PC gamers revolve around console, because all the main video game developers revolve around console. Most PC owners upgrade when a console generation starts, because they know the graphical fidelity is going up across the board now. PC is no longer a separate category as it once was, and if you want to play the latest greatest games on release, you're actually better off on console. You aren't really gaining that much by waiting years to get it on PC, just to run it at a higher frame rate. It's the same game, and there's always a pro console or new generation around the corner now keeping the gap smaller than ever before.
The switch go both ways and is more devastating if sony players go to pc now that games only few years away.
This is unlikely given the barriers to jump into PC vs console and leaving all your games behind
@@ReforgeGamingtake the blinders off. if person have a choice 4 platform worth of game in 1 library with little wait for ps games and play them better vs 1.5 platform worth of games the choice is self evident 2 years is not enough time to get people to jump. As you said as all don't need to decide to go PC only 10% will cause cascade effects.
@@ReforgeGamingcan’t the same be said about people jumping to PC tho? Wouldn’t they also be leaving all their games behind?
Thing with pc, u dont need the highest spec rig.
My monitor is 1440p, so as long as my pc can do 60fps min, at 1440p, i will be happy.
Sick of missing out on games that force 30fps on consoles.
I wouldn’t buy a PS5 even with a 10 foot pole. It doesn’t take a crazy expensive PC to beat the PS five, you can do it for 750 bucks. I built my friend a PC with a 3600 and a 3060 for this price. His PC will run games better than the PS five, due to having a dedicated GPU and graphical settings.
And there is no one saying that you have to beat the PS five to run Sony games on PC. The recommended settings for their games are always below the PC mentioned above.
this dude is crazy! 🤣 PC 4ever! 😋I'll tell you better why PC players NEVER move to PS5 - simple PS+ only idea of paying money to play online in games what cost 70 dollars is fck absurd!
20 million out of the 60 million PS5's didn't own a PS4... Where did they come from? There is over 130 million steam users. You think they are all as loyal as you? When most of them have mid to low level rigs? lol
Seeing as Xbox and Sony aren't Console giants they were with the massive library of games, no I wouldn't. As clearly seen their current consoles had a less lifespan cycle and they both want to be multiplatform so why bother. Half of Sony players are still on a PS4!!!! Next tech by Nvidia will leave Sony and Xbox hardware even more behind on that side of things. I definately dont see games going backwards with the limits they are constantly pushing on hardware. Money spend on a console can be put on the side for games and hardware. Exclusivity is no longer an option for them nor is is it exciting anymore and they know it.
I didnt switch from pc to ps5 ive had both but do find myself playing ps5 more lately. Just cause i dont like sitting at a desk long term. I know if microsoft forces ai on all windows pcs i might end up not upgrading my pc, i know theres linux and i might have to explore thst avenue. Or if microsoft bought valve id be out. Google and microsoft are cancer
No. No they wouldn’t. Your take on this just proves you have absolutely zero clue about PC’s or their gamers. Unfortunately I have a PS5 which was bought on launch and it has been used as a doorstop pretty much since launch, while my PC allows me to play ALL games, all platforms, all gens. Those PC users without a PS5 would not move to it as why move to a closed platform, which you say through the nose for, for a company who is the most anti consumer in the tech space. PC is about freedom. Sony is about fanboys
Yup, I have zero clue about 130 million people, 70% of which own PCs weaker than a PS5. Got it. I'm sure you know what all 130 million steam users think and feel and are are allegiant to. And I'm also sure the 20 million PS5 owners who didn't own a PS4 simply all came out of thin air or from xbox and nintendo. Surely a number that big doesn't include any PC users because "Pc MaStEr RaCe WoUlD nEvEr Do ThAT"
@@ReforgeGaming Totally ignoring the fact that the whole gaming market is growing and that there are new players on all plattforms. Just ask Tim Sweeney how successful he was with pulling over users from Steam in the past years.
You're really this dense??? Wtf bro
Simple math proves new consumers are buying ps5. PC master race clowns get butt hurt about a basic economic observation. It’s weird energy tbh
Why would we move to an inferior platform while we're already on top?
on top of what? the stats don't lie, the majority of PC users are on a PC weaker than the PS5
@@ReforgeGaming >thinking hardware power is the only thing that matters
lmao
New God of war is boring, i will rather emulate older GoW games.
Plus PS5 has no games.
PS5 has no games? They've had 6 exclusives this year already, two of which are top sellers. But okay.
@@ReforgeGaming Wow... 6 games. How many of them are on PC already?
PS5 is VERY compelling to a lot of people, myself included. $600 to postpone upgrading my PC, play GTA VI at launch, and enjoy the exclusives I've missed out on since the PS4? Sign me up.
indeed
Aren’t all the exclusives from PS4 now on PC?
I’m curious if these PC players will still buy a PS5 if GTA6 is running at 30fps on console?
The PS5 IS 4K 120FPS... It's not a series X or mid spec ported pc, it's a purely optimised and efficient powerhouse that Devs can push to it's very limits just like RDR2/Lou2 on the PS4.
we have no idea what it will run at, but 30fps will make many hold off, but a ton more will jump just because its GTA
@@ArtemisTGMAre you high?
@@ArtemisTGM sounds like a downgrade
The base PS5 has 8K 120FPS on the box so *SURELY* all games are at least 4K 60 right?
Have to laugh about some people claiming that Sony bring "all" their exclusives to PC. No, they don't. They bring a select few and those are the ones that have given them enough data to convince them that this strategy is indeed working even if it's a small percentage. Don't be surprised if they even roll back on porting others over as there are a few things worth noting: (1) Nishino has been heavily focused on ONLY the console gaming space for years and now he's co-CEO with Herman and (2) Nixxes has been given more remaster work to "branch" off PC porting. Besides, people are also underestimating the crowd that will spend to get a PS5 just to be able to play titles like GTA VI, Astrobot or Ghost of Tsushima 2 as soon as they drop.
What I look for in Games: Gameplay. Then: story cohesion (and a lack - read: no - woke crap). Graphics, looks, how it sounds? Meh. Play well? Yes. Look? No.
Your mistakes here are out of this world. Are there some "PC Gamers" who'd buy a console of any type? Sure - they exist. But are there PC Gamers with rigs less powerful than the PS5 who are still playing and enjoying PS5 games? Certainly. Minimum requirements to play the game are listed, and most Steam information shows that those gamers who have given their data over fall well in line to play any PS5 game.
"Oh, but it won't look as good!" Who. Cares? I wouldn't, and for a time I was one of those with a lesser rig. My current PC runs laps around the PS5 and likely your mythical PS5-Pro (not yet even confirmed, by the by!) And I STILL don't care if graphically one game looks better than others. I will never get Ragnarok - it's woke and utterly boring in places, and that's just by the "let's plays" I've watching on YT. Same for Spider-Man 2: utterly disrespectful to the source IP and chock full of DEI Sweet Baby nonsense. So: never getting them. Wouldn't even grace them with pirating them. I shit on them from a great height.
Ghost of Tsushima? Still not got it. Why? My rig could play it on max settings with narry a hitch... and it does look good (it's a better, more polished, and far more respectful version of Assassin's Creed than we've had FROM an AC game in many a year). Cos of the PSN bullshit Sony is pulling. I'm in the UK...
"Wait" I hear you say: "you don't need PSN to play the single pla..."
Let me stop your drivel right there: I don't care about that. I will not buy a game unless I have full access to all I paid for. And part of GoT is locked off unless I hand over my personal ID to prove who I am. Also, even if I didn't mind doing that, they are restricting the game needlessly to 180 countries... so until everyone gets the chance to own it, I refuse to pay Sony a penny for it. Yo-ho-ho for me if I REALLY cannot wait... and I feel no beginnings of frustration over waiting. GoT is good... but I play better already. So... meh!
Anyway, back to the point: I'm in the UK, and I ask you: who the f does Sony think they are demanding that I prove my identity to set up a PSN account? Passport? They want my f'ing PASSPORT? Or Driving Licence? Or UK ID card?? Do they think their games are worth so much that they can ask that of me?
Do you know what's needed to set up a Steam account? Or Ubisoft? Or Blizzard? Or Bioware? Or Epic Games? Or GOG? Or EA Origin?
Email address, create a username, create a password. Some ask for your DOB and nation of origin. Those last two, you can make up if you wish - just make a record of it in case you need to contact their help-desk at any point. NOT ONE of them ask me to then prove my ID to activate the account. NOT. ONE.
And Sony thinks they can do that to on PC? That's why I refused to get PSN for Helldivers 2. And even IF their accounts were just like any of the others I've mentioned to set up, I'd STILL not buy any more of their shit until they sell to everyone! Hell, WHY is PSN not in those 180 nations that they've de-listed? If it was just like any other online account and just email address and such needed, they wouldn't be so f'ing limited in where they can sell?
(Side point: even if I didn't mind proving my identity to Sony to play their mid-games... who is stupid enough to do so and provide that information to a company who has their knickers around their ankles as they're being railed by the closest passing hacker on the regular? Cos either Sony's the most inept company on Earth at keeping their data (and yours) secure, or they're "selling" your data by leaving the barn door open deliberately. At least I won't be part of their "Next Exciting Data Breach Event"...)
If all future PS ports to PC are going to be behind a PSN account firewall (even for single player games) then I'll simply not bother. I'm losing nothing. None of their games are so good that I'm missing out. Walking simulators between cut-scenes, with some fighting situations now and again that others have done already - and some even better than Sony's offerings. Batman Arkham series is better than Spider-Man for combat, for instance. But in the end, the best Sony game is just... "Okay, good game" compared to what PC gamers have available to us. A "Story on rails" is what they're all like, from what I can tell, so once completed (or watched online with a let's play) then what need to I have to "pay for it and play it" myself? Nothing new there for me at all. "Mass Effect" it isn't, not by a long shot. Certainly none of them are a patch on Balder's Gate 3.
So why would any PC Gamer "upgrade" to a PS5 or a Pro? They could more easily (and more cheaply) upgrade their PC's if needed... and EVEN IF they are only then just on par with the PS5 for graphics, the versatility of the PC sinks the Playstation. AND they don't have to pay MORE to play online, as you ponies do with PS+! And they'd not lose their library of games going back to the 80s, in some cases.
Those lovely games from PS1, PS2, even PS3 era? PC either HAVE them available... or can emulate. And you want us to "upgrade" to a downgraded, limited, 30FPS machine (that's headache forming right there)... just to play a game that'll come to PC anyway in a year or so? "But the gra..." Oh, look... a GPU that's the same as PS5 system, for 200 dollars. WIN! You were saying?
no we won't
As a LIFE LONG GAMER with well over 30 years in the scene, I can tell you that instead of PC gamers moving to PlayStation, Sony should worry about PlayStation gamers moving to PC. I own all the consoles. All the generations and I hardly touch them compared to my gaming PC. If PlayStation forsees their future in PC, then they should really consider trying to acquire Steam/Valve. I game everyday for a couple hours.... most of which is on my PC while my PS5, Series X etc.... collect dust. Console gaming is extremely cookie cutter. It's the same shit over and over again. PC gaming offers a wild ride of fresh ideas. Most of these indie games are running circles around most AAA games. PLOT TWIST: I'm also a lifelong PLAYSTATION PREFERRED GAMER.... I'm slowly moving away from the ecosystem. That's not a good thing for PlayStation IMO. Those are just my thoughts, now how about YOUR THOUGHTS?
All the data points to the opposite happening. Leaving PS to come to PC is more expensive. You leave behind your library. And you have to wait for the big PlayStation titles. Spending more to get less and wait is the opposite of what consumers do. They pay to be first and get in early.
@@ReforgeGaming Yeah, I just don't feel as confident in PlayStation releasing the tent pole games with any sort of consistency anymore. The silence has been deafening. Which brings up another issue I have with Sony, is thier messaging or lack there of. We used to get yearly showcases which drove gamers to adopt the console during the PS4 era. These State of Plays which have featured everything BUT PlayStation Studio games is getting old. Honestly man, I just feel like PlayStation entered this gen resting on their laurels. I need some BANGERS! Anyway, thanks for responding. I love the channel!
For fucks sake. I have a PS5, bought a slim version for my 18 yo daughter...... and they still want to game on my PC. My son mainly for mouse and keyboard, my daughter says it looks better....
for me its a truly, worthy, generational graphical leap to take advantage of the latest and greatest titles.
I appreciate how you analyze the minutiae as well as envision the big picture business model. I think this is spot on.
thank you!
Why? I regret buying a PS5. They bring to pc all exclusives. I actualy play more my pc with a ps5 controller.
Its faster, better graphics, cheaper games.
High refresh rate monitor.
Just a better overall exp.
I wont be buying PS6.
People like to praise ps5- there are like 5 great games released in 4 years.
And about investment, if you buy games often on
Ps5- you would build a mega pc
Do you really think every PC user with a weaker PC than the PS5 has disposable income to buy a PS5 over upgrading the system they already have? Your logic is very flawed.
My logic isn’t flawed because I didnt say that. You’re straw manning. Watch the video.
My Long Answer: N0!
I've recently built a pc because of the lack of good game releases on ps5, I often only pay for 1 month PS subscriptions, just so I can play with mates, then I let it run out again.
Gaming in general isn't looking real great atm
GTA 6 on ps5 pro 😊 can't wait
Honestly this makes the most sense to me and I'm sure they have the data to justify their plan and all these pc players crying about this is just the icing on the cake for me lol great video lono keep up the good work
lol, no. It will never happen
PC gamers will say they don't mind waiting for ps5 games, while also saying Sony should put everything on PC. These are conflicting stances.
Yup.
Well how else would be be able to 'wait' for the game if Sony does not put it on the platform we are on?
Unchecked modding.
huh?
@ReforgeGaming I'll choose PC over for the fact that if there's something in a game I don't like, I might find a mod for it.
I have a steam Deck and PCX and PS5 and I don't even touch my Ps5
Will PC gamers move on to yearly subription fees, more expensive games and a console that needs replacing after 5 to 7 years? Nope. We've already dabbled in temporary consoles. Console gamers are just young PC gamers that haven't opened their eyes yet.
The definitive Edition of GTA 6 on PC will be superior and worth the wait. My PC is ancient, I cheat by avoiding upgrade costs with Geforce Now, my PC runs tons of games that shouldn't work at all. God of War Ragnarok user reviews on PC will be horrendous, let's see how Sony handle enforcing PSN on PC.
Consoles are dying thats why they keep making this videos trying to get people to fall for the scam that a console is. a Mid end PC inside a plastic box on a closed ecosytem and a montly paid service just to play online.
imagine taking PlayStation plus over Steam LMOOOOOOOO
There is a post on the PlayStation reddit community and they are more than what you think.
More that have switched?
@@ReforgeGaming yes more that have switched from PC to PS5 and for more, there comments are "it's just more easy, plug and play", or "now that I'm a dad, I can sit on the couch and play with kids"...
I know a lot of people who played Ghost of Tsushima on pc that will buy a PS5 just to play the sequel. So yeah some of them will buy a console.
But they won't "leave" or "move" from their platform of choice as some people are saying.
Hilariously enough, I'm one of those people who never owned a PS4 (Crazy since I owned all the others). I was fully PC gaming at the end of the 7th gen, and all throughout the 8th. I had the money, noticed how well the PS4 was doing, and decided to buy the next console. I bought a PS5 at the beginning of the gen and have fully integrated back into the ecosystem.
I still have my PC, too. I pride myself on my built PC, but I was already in the FOMO mindset from last gen, and wasn't doing it again.
so many have clearly done this
Its not surprising to be honest, PS5 exclusives are day and date, PC optimization not as reliable as you think, convenience, and its just all around a cheaper option especially in todays economy.
PC still a great option but like console, has its downsides too.
yup
there will be gta 6 ps5 pro bundle 2025
Couldn't care less about PC gamers.
playstation wants users
Sony courting PC gamers is a good thing for me even though I don't play on PC. Spreading the cost of development over more players means I get to keep enjoying big budget releases.
I'm on PC 💻 yet bought a PS5 as soon as I could. I am not waiting up to 4 years for games 🗓
If PS went day & date, I would've skipped the console 🎮
From Someone who owns all Playstation games before Heeldivers and on stop getting there games cause everything was mid in my opinion and not worth a PSN account like I care about trophies I didnt build a PC to buy a console its fine Sony do whatever you want I will be playing Shadows Elder Tree not making a PSN a promise