I’ve been binge watching all of your RUclips vids in preparation for my first ebike. This one was just as helpful, and I imagine, as a long time motorcycle rider, I think I’d be similar in preferring the half throttle. Thanks! Sunny
Bikes controls like brakes are the reverse of motorcycles, throttle on the left side, I"m changing to a motorcycle standard pattern, reverse the brakes earlier, bought a regular right twist throttle too
I'm changing from a half twist throttle to a thumb throttle located on the left hand side, as i have gear thumb shift selector already on the right. - good video about throttles.
Personally I prefer the thumb throttle because it allows me to have my remaining fingers resting on the brake lever, in many cases as I was cruising around, a car pops out of a driveway or a garage without checking and having my finger right by the brake lever I many times could let go of the throttle and immediately yank on the brake to stop the bike, where on the half-twist throttle you're gripping on the throttle and your handle grip at all the time, so that additional fraction of time you need to let go it the twist and reach your fingers over the lever to then press hard on it, doesn't pass me the confidence of control feeling. It might be something just psychological but having my fingers ready to press the brake makes me feel in control of the bike, than the bike in control of me. So in my hike I also have a horn button wrapped around my handle grip, so my thumb its on the throttle, my index finger is by the horn button and the left 3 fingers on the brake lever. So while I brake I honk the heck out of the driver to wake him up while I stop my bike to avoid a collision. Seems a lot, but saved me every time. Thanks God.
I have been riding bicycles since I was 7 years old. July 14th 2002 I first rode my hammer ebike. I watched a lot of videos they said there's a lot of power but I didn't believe it LOL. So I take off I'm at the End of the Street faster than I can believe it it's a short Street. I was going to turn right but with the giant fat tires is not so easy so I almost believed then I went up on the sidewalk and crashed. And I hit my nub straight down on the sidewalk. And then I got up and rode 12 more miles and that was the most fun I've had in years. Sitting here trying to heal my foot then I lost my leg after years of trying to save it so I've hardly been anywhere except the doctor and shopping and now I am free yay yay for e-bikes and I used my stimulus for something good that should last me a very long time if I keep it maintained. It's a lot like a regular bicycle Minus the electric motor and being 70 pounds and the giant tires. I truly believe in E bikes. I was researching and the first ebike looks like a motorcycle was in 1895 but they didn't have the distance please do and that was made by Bosch I wonder if it was made in Rochester New York near me they have a place Bausch & Lomb well they used to.
That where short way twist throttles come in handy. You can rest your pointing finger on the break and still twist it. Or change the brakes. But thumb throttle is cool too. I just like twist better. But your points are valid. Look at quads these have thumb throttles for a reason. I ride long empty paths so of course I choose the twist. It’s an easy ride nothing to worry about.
Just bought my first ebike and it came with a thumb throttle that has cruise control built in. After holding the throttle down for approximately 6 seconds the cruise control kicks in and you can release the throttle and the bike maintains what ever speed you were going. To turn it off you simply tap either brake and it cuts off the motor. Love this feature, use it all the time on my 20 mile round trip commute to work.
Seems companies are catering more to the commuter class. Bought a Gemini e bike it has slicks, thumb throttle, cruise control, 28AH, 750w motor, hydraulic disc brakes, 400lb load capacity. Not the highest specs but great value under $2000 including tax and shipping.
My bike came with a half-twist. Used it for several months before trying out a cheap thumb throttle on a whim. Found I had way more precise speed control with the thumb throttle, a less cluttered cockpit, and more constant stability while also being able to keep my fingers rested on the brake lever at all times for an overall safer and more stable experience for someone who occasionally has to ride on ice and slush. I've not experienced any of the downsides listed. My bike's controller has PAS and cruise control, I had more issues with bounce affecting throttle on the half-twist with my weight being partially distributed onto the throttle, and I routinely commute in sub-freezing temperatures without issue by simply wearing gloves--something I'd be doing in the cold, regardless of if I was on a bike or not. May be worth mentioning that I've been playing video games for over 35 years and am a pianist, and have a strong, well-conditioned thumb, and possibly an under-developed wrist, so others' mileage may vary. The difference in analog precision for me however was night and day. To borrow an analogy from gaming, it was like switching from an analog stick to a mouse for aiming.
@@jason.arthur.taylor Nope, the operating word was precision. My thumb with no other forces being exerted on it could make much finer adjustments than my entire wrist which was also supporting part of my weight, gripping the handlebars for stability and keeping my fingers within reach of the brakes (and later my turn signals). It was easier to maintain a stable grip, especially over bumpy terrain and still have very precise control with flexing a loose thumb than twisting my entire wrist. With the thumb I could accelerate much more slowly and hold any speed I wanted without interference from any other factors.
Hey Mike, you have not mentioned the "feeling" of a twist throtle. I have used the thumb throtle, but the twist has a major advantage: really controlling the motor.If you press the thumb throtle, you can feel a certain gradual power increasing, as you are pressing the thumb button.But with twist throtle, that's more let's say "fine tuned" I can twist the throtle, just to keep the motor rotating really slow and being able to accelerate smoother, just like when having the more expensive controllers, for example ASI bac, or phaserunner.These controllers are known to keep the motor rotating.This of course applies only for mid drive motors, i have tested and noticed this while using bbs02b and bbshd motors.
WOW! That's enough to make my head swim! I have a LOT to learn. A friend who manages a bike shop has said when this pandemic is over he will help me convert my bike! Whole new learning experience! Thanks for the information. 👍🖖
I’m glad that the title of your video didn’t specify bicycles. I would have casually skipped over it. Turns out your information was very helpful in my decision of which type of throttle to install on my daughter’s ATV project. Thank you!
A disadvantage of the half-twist is that you now have to find a "half grip" to fill out the end of the bar. If you use a full length normal grip, it gets too long and funky or it doesn't fit at all (hitting the curve part of the bar). The "half grip" is actually fairly hard to find and limits you to a small set of available grips.
Great video! I converted my bikes to thumb levers by using cramp busters and cutting them to fit. Seems to give me better control, and no 'accidental throttling'! Keep up the good work!
Half twist is the best, I use them on my 4-stroke bike too... That said, I have yet to find a setting that produces a useful low-end throttle curve on my eBike. It's so annoying, and I know it could be solved in software.
@@JamesWilliams-ji4mg Didn't know this was a possibility. Do you have any links to pot throttles? Just found this: electricbike.com/forum/forum/kits/golden-motor-magic-pie/70584-guide-to-hall-sensor-throttle-operation-testing-and-modification#post94717
@@ChrisB... Yeah and that guide is fine and will remove throttle dead zone but its hard to explain. Basically at the beginning of the throttle the magnet will be far away from the hall sensor in the throttle and it will never be responsive in the low end because the signal will be weak until it gets close to the hall then it will be twitchy. For throttle check out domino which is what i upgraded to
@@JamesWilliams-ji4mg Just ordered a Magura 0-5kohm pot throttle. :) I'm used to dealing with the ugly low-end of my hall-effect throttle, but honestly it sucks. Too many unintentional wheelies at 3KW.
I always use thumb throttle, its more comfortable and more precise. Its also safer from unwanted situations when bike is being parked or pushed and you or someone else accidentally push the throttle
So far no complaints with the half twist. Some people even will attach a zip tie (or something similar) to make a half twist into a thumb throttle. I guess at that point you have the option of using either.
Thanks for sharing your experience in the videos. I would be interested in two topics for future videos: 1) trouble shooting electrical issues (diagnosis, testing, repair) and 2) comparing/selecting controllers and how to wire/connect if mismatched (not a kit).
First time watching your video and I enjoy it ! I have an electric scooter with thumb acceleration over a year and I have to say that it’s fine for me ! Thanks 🙏 very much for the content of this video and now back to another of your videos 😁
for my first 3 years I used a few different thumb throttles, but a few years ago i switched to a half twist and I think its much much better. a lot less hand fatigue
If like me - a regular runner, jogger, trekker etc - you've tripped and fallen quite heavily onto you hands once or twice a year you probably also find that it's usually your thumb and thumb-base that breaks most of each fall's force - so you end up with a thumb that doesn't much like being kept 'muscled" and taut in a stiff position for very long. One advantage of that is you'll feel less inclined to use battery power for long stretches and keep fitter because your stiff aching thumb starts complaining after each 20 secs or so of thumb-throttling..
TIP: Half-twist throttle can be used as cruise control :) Just push the grip thight against the throttle and it wil stay in place. No wrist fatigue anymore. And i agree about the right side throttle . They should standardize the back rear shift to the left side to avoid this problem. But on the other hand, a throttle is forbidden in many countries for pedal assist ebikes (max 350W or 25km/h). With throttle it falls under the catagory motorised scooter/moped (above 350W and/or 25km\h) or motorbikes (speedelec bikes) (from 500W till 4000W and/or 50km\h).
@@ChrisB... It's not really so dangerous. I do exactly the same and just use my brakes when necessary. It cuts power to the motor straight away so it's no big deal having it in cruise control.
Thanks for the great info! I have a Lectric XP 2.0 with a half twist throttle (it’s a bit difficult with my huge hands) but what do you think about switching the brakes so that the left handle brakes the rear wheel and right handle breaks the front… any disadvantages? Thanks
greatly prefer a right hand half grip twist throttle. I also have motorcycle experience. A left hand throttle is dangerous in my opinion due to the mix of standards. My worst throttle experience was on a motorized scooter which used a pull lever throttle on the right side. When I was climbing a hill, the bike wheelied which resulted in my loss of balance and pulling the throttle lever even harder to hold my grip on the handlebars. I flipped over and landed on my back and broke my shoulder blade on the asphalt. Very painful accident with months of slow recovery.
Left half twist. I have my gears on the right with a single brake cut off. The half twist IMO is by far the safest option for a throttle as you can ride without worry of triggering the throttle in a busy area. Experienced motorcycle riders may get on fine with a full twist but most people jumping on ebikes are not such people. Never wanted to try a thumb. I have one I want to use for regen braking tho. Cheers
I don't see how any kind of a twist throttle can be less likely to be accidentally activated than a thumb throttle, since your hands are always on the grips, but can easily be kept well away from a thumb throttle. To me, using a thumb throttle requires a deliberate choice. But, if it's a concern for you, that's cool, too. Whatever makes it safe and fun is the right thing.
Really easy to make a cruise control set up for your thumb throttle. If you have a key ignition or a kill switch you can use that to cut the power if you need to stop.
Been a motorcycle rider for 52 years, ebike rider for 5 years. Living down under where we drive on the left side of the road, the tendency to mount a bike is from the left or gutter side, so it's easier the have the twist grip on the left. I predominantly use the throttle to assist take offs, much easier to get moving before cocking one's leg over to take up pedalling. I don't have a problem adjusting from one hand to the other between ebike and motor scooter which I still ride too. So if you drive on the right side of the road, RH throttle is best, and left side of the road LH throttle is best. I do prefer twist grip, Cheers
I'm shopping around for my first electric ladies bike after having back surgery. I need to get fit. I found your videos a wealth of info. Really Kool - Fabulous 👍 appreciated Melly Mel
For me 500w was not enough and 750w made me want more so I ended up jumping a few levels straight to 1600w..... Now I plan to start jumping voltages, from 48v to 52v or just straight to a 60v 3kw motor. I can't help it.... It's like working on a dirt bike or motorcycle but it's not dirty or as finicky, it's just plug and play power and I'm addicted¡! LoL
Maybe one of these days my ordered ebikes will arrive from ten buck two, and I can insert some input into my preference of throttle type also! Why can't we design and build an affordable and competitively good ebike in the USA to avoid the annoying wait times for a ship to circumnavigate the planet? But thank you for your informative video. Stay safe
From twist to thumb throtlevis a revolution, while evolution of twist is ongoing from sling to wire, half twist and so on... to reduce even eleminate weakness...
Would like a throttle on my, new to me "swiss flyer" think it would have to be a thumb throttle fitted on the left, :-0, but not sure if it can be done anyway, any done it?
The Mod I bought came with a full twist, I didn't like it and got a thumb lever and absolutely LOVE it! despite the issues over rough terrain, but that's what PAS is for, right?!? lol Also I use an old school friction thumb shifter and just have the throttle under the bars and the shifter over the bars works great!
The half twist is by far the safest, I stopped adding full throttles because how dangerous they prove to be on electric bikes. Had a demo bike conversion for folks to test ride 1000 watt basic system with a full twist throttle. I had too many customers doing surprise wheelies in front of the shop! And if you drop it on the throttle side your bike can show you a few brake dance moves. Thumb throttle is good to do as you mentioned in your video switch sides with. I like to do this because I have played Evil Kanevil with my body on bikes all my life and some days one hand or the other may need a rest so I have screw on handle grips and will switch sides with my universal thumb throttle. P.s. I generally remove all gears and such systems from my personal build and only use the rear derailleur as a chain tensioner after bending and filing out guide to fit heavier single speed chains. Thanks for your videos!
I much prefer the thumb throttle on my kit ebike to the full twist throttle on my fat tire ebike. I put the thumb throttle on the left bar so no interference with the twist shifter on the right. I used to ride motorcycles too, and I still prefer it on the left. The biggest thing I dislike about the full twist throttle is that it's nowhere near as easy to modulate the power - you can't just feather on a little power, it *starts* at like half power. I only have my bike to compare to, maybe other full twist throttles are better than mine. I hope so. As to getting a sore thumb? Nah. There's a secret. Put thumb pressure on the housing, not on the throttle lever. You can then roll your thumb a little up or down for more or less power. You don't need a lot of pressure to keep your thumb on the housing either. Thanks again Micah for another great video!
as my Chinese 500 watt conversion gives me full power on peddling I have a thumb throttle and an adjustable stop made from an old lamp bracket. I can set it a comfortable speed and just hold it down. Once I release whilst peddling the full power comes back in for the hilly bits.Its worked out better than I anticipated as I am used to riding motor cycles with twist grip and at first wished I had that set up.
How about a video about regen braking vs dynamo charging? Advantages and disadvantages, which yields more power back into the battery, ease to use and why not.
Your opinion is right on target as usual, but when you add in PAS and cruise control possibilities, the fatigue factor is less or nonexistent. Then the key is what kind of shifting you prefer. For me, I prefer thumb shifters and then that means putting a thumb throttle to the inside of the shifter to avoid interference.
I once rode my old ATV moped to school, during winter and I forgot my gloves. Went on a shrotcut through the forst, toskip the motorway (cus it was a moped) and I had to hold onto that gas for over an hour. Needless to say, the skin on my thumb felt really loose and the skin got purple. 10/10 would recommend.
Another great informative video on a relevant topic that is a personal preference. Even though I lack the experience of riding an electric bike I have ridden motorcycles so a right handed twist throttle make sense. I was thinking the thumb throttle would have been a good choice but this video puts a lot into perspective. Thanks
Although I watched this when Micah first posted it, I apologize if someone else has since posted the obvious problem with left-hand throttles. In the USA, we use our left hand to signal turns. It's pretty difficult to signal properly when it forces you to remove your hand from the throttle. I also think many manufacturers are losing sales to former motorcycle riders who want a twist throttle.
Half twist throttle, on the right, works best for me. I'm used to it there, and my thumb is free to shift without letting go of the throttle. I sometimes take my modified RadMini on mountain bike trails, and I'd run into trouble trying to hang onto a full twist throttle.
I agree about the left side thumb throttle being a bit awkward but I do think it is the best option for e-bikes with the torque-sensing setup since its a secondary control
The thumb throttle on my Juiced Bike is on the left side. It doesn't interfere with the shifter. Control is shared by the brake lever only. Personally, I only use the throttle when starting off or on steep hills.
Hi Mick, here Tom from Holland, I like your channel and your books, they have helped me a lot, could you do a video on controllers, how they work and what the main differences are between the cheap aliexpress kunteng controllers and for instance Infineon and Phaserunner controllers? Thanks, regards Tom
I am glad I watched your video because I just bought a e bike with the half twist throttle and was thinking about going to a thumb throttle. So for now I will use the one I have and see how I like it before I decide to change it. I also agree with you on the right side throttle since I rode a motorcycle for many years and that is also what I am use to. first timer on your video and now I am going to subscribe as soon as I finish this comment. Thank you.
I thought I would want a twist throttle ...but after watching this maybe not. I currently have a thumb throttle on my custom e-bike ...and maybe I'll just keep it that way.
This is another great video. I am in agreement with you about the right side throttle. Having ridden every conceivable type of powered 2 wheeler during my lifetime, getting used to a left side would just be too weird. My current bike has a left side thumb throttle and I don't like it at all. I would like to see you do 2 new videos. One would be a how to on wiring in accessories to existing controllers. For horns, lights, etc. The other world be on how to convert a thumb throttle to half or full twist. Any special pickups, etc. or are they all standard and just work right (see what I did there) out of the box?
I have a left side half throttle and glad they do them it is upto the individual as I do have a grip gear changer on the right, so I am very happy having the throttle on the left side. Mike
I would very much like to see elegant solutions for handle bar controls as far as diy conversions go... so far the solutions I see work, but look like a cool science experiment = no sleek design. If you have suggestions or references I would be very gratefull.
Hi Mike, I’m running an awesome diy battery on my AT longboard thanks to your vruzend kit!! But my question is: is it possible to run an easy electric setup that allow me to run the signal from the throttle to the motor without an esc or vesc? Thanks for all you teach us
I designed and built my own e-bike. I have 2 1,000 watt tires. I go 36mph for 25 miles per charge . I first started with 2 (left and right) half twist throttles. This became difficult to use due to hand fatigue. Plus the half twist came with peddle assist. I then moved to 2 thumb throttles. With the thumb throttle you do not get peddle assist. The half twist cost a lot more then the thumb throttle. My bike setup cost for the half twist throttles came to around $2100.00. With the thumb throttles it came to around $1500.00. Having an all wheel drive e-bike gives you enough torque to throw your head back. I start off with one then use the other. With one I can do around 32mph with an average of 23mph. With both throttles I can do a constant 36mph even up hill. These ebike tires have a RPM rating. Which basically means your tires will only travel so fast. I use my ebike to ride to work. I put my bike in the hanger, go to work, then go home. I do not ride my ebike anywhere I would have to leave it. Even though I do have an expensive bike chain. I'm always worried someone would damage it trying to pull parts off the bike. The battery alone is over $500.00. So resale value could be up to $100. People now days don't care. It's all about them and if they can't get what they want they'll damage it. Where I live e-bike are considered a motor vehicle. Which means you have to ride in the street. People don't care. I've been almost hit because people in cars and trucks only see a bicycle. They don't know the laws. If someone ever hits me or they pull out in front of me and I go flying over their hood, it's going to hurt. I don't care how much safety gear you wear. The biggest problem is people need to be educated on the rights of an e-biker.
Now aged 73 and having driven and ridden all sorts of cars and bikes I thought I was fully conversant with most cable and sprung throttlesa. Always will be a twist grip guy though. All my life I have been or at least tried to have been a courteous driver and rider. I now have a huge problem. When I used to drive trucks and sometimes cars, if I had a full and heavy load and could see that I was holding up traffic I could give them two ways of me telling I knew they were there and also by either opening my drivers window could wave them through if the way ahead was clear or could indicate and tell them by using my flashers. Neither I know are really street legal here in the UK but are generally accepted as good manners. Now to my problem with my three wheeler motability electric scooter. Mine, because it is listed as being for Continental use also has a three position setting for throttle. 1 = 4mph for use on sidewalk (pavement here in the UK. 2 = 8mph for use on all roads and highways and then 3 =15 mph for Continental roads or private land. Throttle is smooth in increasing speed in all selections, however If and when traffic is building up behind I dare not let go of the spring loaded throttle as it shuts off power so quickly I know that before I can signal using the standard circled hand then the traffic behind me would be grinding me into the pavement. Know what I mean ? Is there any way of modifying this shut down? I must admit that it's almost handy as I shut down speed in increments when approaching a junction, however I'm sure I can get used to that rather than causing a crash. Any and all ideas welcome . Great show and thank you. Regards Alan
As a long time motorcyclist I am well accustomed to a twist throttle. I have used a thumb throttle on an atv. In very rough terrain I hit a bump, inadvertently accelerated, and ended upside down under the atv. So, yeah, thumb throttles for me are no. Never tried one but the half throttle sounds real good and may be something I would really like.
I ride motorcycles, so am used to the twist throttle. Having said that, have taken several test ride while shopping for an ebike. All have the left thumb throttle. I adjusted so I will go with the ebike that meets my other needs and not worry about the throttle placement.
My girlfriend has cerebral palsy. I built her an electric trike. She used to have a full twist but the hall sensor went bad and I replaced it with a thumb throttle which works better for her because she has gotten scared in the past and floored the throttle. Luckily the brake safety switches are connected so all I had to do was grab a brake handle. With the thumb throttle she instinctively let go of the throttle instead of squeezing down on it.
You can have a twist throttle with a grip shifter easily. Just put the throttle on the other side. It's not that natural but you get used to it easily especially if you have a midrive and you need to shift often, sometime 2-3 gears at once (that's why I'm using the twist shifter). For me that's the best configuration and it works perfectly. While using a thumb throttle or shifter I found that tendon inflammation occurs much often
Eureka! I viewed your excellent videos and tried adding a thumb to my Himiway Cruiser with not altogether satisfactory results and off it came. I prefer to twist but found the half-grip throttle clumsy to modulate. Then an epiphany: Those flattened comfy grips are the problem. As I try to rotate the throttle with the right side of my palm, the left side is held in place by the right-side half-grip. I replaced both grips with conventional round grips slightly smaller in diameter than the throttle and now I have great control. The shape of the new grips allows my palm to slip in concert with the rotation of the throttle. What do you think? Have I just advanced the half-throttle solution, at least for this setup?
Hi Micah! Great video on Thumb vs Twist throttle. I do have a question - in this video on the bench behind, you have your very cool looking helmet. What make and model is it? Can you please showcase that for us?
Interesting as always. On a different topic - I have seen kits for converting your bike to an e-bike that are for the rear wheel and some that are for the front wheel. What about making a video installing both on one bike, making it a 2WD, so perhaps on a mountain bike and then testing it?
I use thumb throttle for my geo orbital conversion kit, but I also have an extender on it so I can just gently angle my wrist and press it with the heel of my palm.
woud youplease advice ; can the full twist throttles ( 90 - 120 degrees twist I mean ) improve starting speed and jerky movenments of ebikes ? or not much to expect in reality ?
What do you think of the Swytch bike? I find the electric bikes are so heavy and I have a nice road bike and am interested in the Swytch bike. looks light weight and has the bottom bracket sensor.
Are there knob shaped rotary throttles? What about the cruise control feature that comes with many of the bike computers? Are there steering wheels for e-bikes?
I’ve been binge watching all of your RUclips vids in preparation for my first ebike. This one was just as helpful, and I imagine, as a long time motorcycle rider, I think I’d be similar in preferring the half throttle. Thanks!
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Bikes controls like brakes are the reverse of motorcycles, throttle on the left side, I"m changing to a motorcycle standard pattern, reverse the brakes earlier, bought a regular right twist throttle too
I'm changing from a half twist throttle to a thumb throttle located on the left hand side, as i have gear thumb shift selector already on the right. - good video about throttles.
I like the control a thumb throttle gives from a standing start. Useful when initially mounting imo.
Personally I prefer the thumb throttle because it allows me to have my remaining fingers resting on the brake lever, in many cases as I was cruising around, a car pops out of a driveway or a garage without checking and having my finger right by the brake lever I many times could let go of the throttle and immediately yank on the brake to stop the bike, where on the half-twist throttle you're gripping on the throttle and your handle grip at all the time, so that additional fraction of time you need to let go it the twist and reach your fingers over the lever to then press hard on it, doesn't pass me the confidence of control feeling. It might be something just psychological but having my fingers ready to press the brake makes me feel in control of the bike, than the bike in control of me. So in my hike I also have a horn button wrapped around my handle grip, so my thumb its on the throttle, my index finger is by the horn button and the left 3 fingers on the brake lever. So while I brake I honk the heck out of the driver to wake him up while I stop my bike to avoid a collision. Seems a lot, but saved me every time. Thanks God.
I have been riding bicycles since I was 7 years old. July 14th 2002 I first rode my hammer ebike. I watched a lot of videos they said there's a lot of power but I didn't believe it LOL. So I take off I'm at the End of the Street faster than I can believe it it's a short Street. I was going to turn right but with the giant fat tires is not so easy so I almost believed then I went up on the sidewalk and crashed. And I hit my nub straight down on the sidewalk. And then I got up and rode 12 more miles and that was the most fun I've had in years. Sitting here trying to heal my foot then I lost my leg after years of trying to save it so I've hardly been anywhere except the doctor and shopping and now I am free yay yay for e-bikes and I used my stimulus for something good that should last me a very long time if I keep it maintained. It's a lot like a regular bicycle Minus the electric motor and being 70 pounds and the giant tires. I truly believe in E bikes. I was researching and the first ebike looks like a motorcycle was in 1895 but they didn't have the distance please do and that was made by Bosch I wonder if it was made in Rochester New York near me they have a place Bausch & Lomb well they used to.
Or u can just hit the brakes with your left hand makes things a lot easier 🤦♂️
Same here, thumb all the way! Plus switch the brakes to the UK style. Actually is the right way compared to dirt bikes etc.. Front brake on the right
@@neoroberts2802 each brake is a different tire
That where short way twist throttles come in handy. You can rest your pointing finger on the break and still twist it. Or change the brakes. But thumb throttle is cool too. I just like twist better. But your points are valid. Look at quads these have thumb throttles for a reason. I ride long empty paths so of course I choose the twist. It’s an easy ride nothing to worry about.
Just bought my first ebike and it came with a thumb throttle that has cruise control built in. After holding the throttle down for approximately 6 seconds the cruise control kicks in and you can release the throttle and the bike maintains what ever speed you were going. To turn it off you simply tap either brake and it cuts off the motor. Love this feature, use it all the time on my 20 mile round trip commute to work.
Seems companies are catering more to the commuter class. Bought a Gemini e bike it has slicks, thumb throttle, cruise control, 28AH, 750w motor, hydraulic disc brakes, 400lb load capacity. Not the highest specs but great value under $2000 including tax and shipping.
My bike came with a half-twist. Used it for several months before trying out a cheap thumb throttle on a whim. Found I had way more precise speed control with the thumb throttle, a less cluttered cockpit, and more constant stability while also being able to keep my fingers rested on the brake lever at all times for an overall safer and more stable experience for someone who occasionally has to ride on ice and slush.
I've not experienced any of the downsides listed. My bike's controller has PAS and cruise control, I had more issues with bounce affecting throttle on the half-twist with my weight being partially distributed onto the throttle, and I routinely commute in sub-freezing temperatures without issue by simply wearing gloves--something I'd be doing in the cold, regardless of if I was on a bike or not.
May be worth mentioning that I've been playing video games for over 35 years and am a pianist, and have a strong, well-conditioned thumb, and possibly an under-developed wrist, so others' mileage may vary. The difference in analog precision for me however was night and day. To borrow an analogy from gaming, it was like switching from an analog stick to a mouse for aiming.
"The difference in analog precision for me however was night and day."
Are you saying that the half-twist throttle sucked because it was not analogue?
@@jason.arthur.taylor Nope, the operating word was precision. My thumb with no other forces being exerted on it could make much finer adjustments than my entire wrist which was also supporting part of my weight, gripping the handlebars for stability and keeping my fingers within reach of the brakes (and later my turn signals). It was easier to maintain a stable grip, especially over bumpy terrain and still have very precise control with flexing a loose thumb than twisting my entire wrist. With the thumb I could accelerate much more slowly and hold any speed I wanted without interference from any other factors.
Hey Mike, you have not mentioned the "feeling" of a twist throtle.
I have used the thumb throtle, but the twist has a major advantage: really controlling the motor.If you press the thumb throtle, you can feel a certain gradual power increasing, as you are pressing the thumb button.But with twist throtle, that's more let's say "fine tuned"
I can twist the throtle, just to keep the motor rotating really slow and being able to accelerate smoother, just like when having the more expensive controllers, for example ASI bac, or phaserunner.These controllers are known to keep the motor rotating.This of course applies only for mid drive motors, i have tested and noticed this while using bbs02b and bbshd motors.
WOW! That's enough to make my head swim! I have a LOT to learn. A friend who manages a bike shop has said when this pandemic is over he will help me convert my bike! Whole new learning experience! Thanks for the information. 👍🖖
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Having ridden motorcycles most my life, Twiiissssst!!
2021 and ive only just heard of these things! I like twist but wouldnt mind trying one of these
For me it’s twist only because of cruise control
But if you have ridden a motorcycle for so long, why just don't ride a motorcycle? Haha a ebike must be so slow in comparison.
Half throtle is best.When you're standing it's way more different than on a bike.
@@Ramon314 Some escooters can go 80K +!!!
Standing on it feels way faster than on a bike.😹🤬🙀
I’m glad that the title of your video didn’t specify bicycles. I would have casually skipped over it. Turns out your information was very helpful in my decision of which type of throttle to install on my daughter’s ATV project. Thank you!
Nice review. I predicted the 1/2 throttle when you mentioned the grip to hold vs constant twisting.
As a motorcycle rider, I'd go with a twist throttle. That way I'd have no learning curve on giving it the juice.
I ride a motorcycle probably 355 days a year I really appreciate the thumb throttle. I have to super sport motorcycles.
A disadvantage of the half-twist is that you now have to find a "half grip" to fill out the end of the bar. If you use a full length normal grip, it gets too long and funky or it doesn't fit at all (hitting the curve part of the bar). The "half grip" is actually fairly hard to find and limits you to a small set of available grips.
It's all about muscle memory which you'll get used to it.Period.
bruh just cut it
I prefer left hand throttle cause of my left hand having more strength and dexterity than my right hand. I appreciate company's giving us choices.
Great video! I converted my bikes to thumb levers by using cramp busters and cutting them to fit. Seems to give me better control, and no 'accidental throttling'! Keep up the good work!
Half twist is the best, I use them on my 4-stroke bike too... That said, I have yet to find a setting that produces a useful low-end throttle curve on my eBike. It's so annoying, and I know it could be solved in software.
You just gave me a great idea. Thank you
It can't, Unless you use a potentiometer throttle
@@JamesWilliams-ji4mg Didn't know this was a possibility. Do you have any links to pot throttles? Just found this: electricbike.com/forum/forum/kits/golden-motor-magic-pie/70584-guide-to-hall-sensor-throttle-operation-testing-and-modification#post94717
@@ChrisB... Yeah and that guide is fine and will remove throttle dead zone but its hard to explain. Basically at the beginning of the throttle the magnet will be far away from the hall sensor in the throttle and it will never be responsive in the low end because the signal will be weak until it gets close to the hall then it will be twitchy. For throttle check out domino which is what i upgraded to
@@JamesWilliams-ji4mg Just ordered a Magura 0-5kohm pot throttle. :) I'm used to dealing with the ugly low-end of my hall-effect throttle, but honestly it sucks. Too many unintentional wheelies at 3KW.
Thumb throttle connected to control variable regen and halve twist for motor throttle. Another awesome video from Micah.
I always use thumb throttle, its more comfortable and more precise. Its also safer from unwanted situations when bike is being parked or pushed and you or someone else accidentally push the throttle
So far no complaints with the half twist. Some people even will attach a zip tie (or something similar) to make a half twist into a thumb throttle. I guess at that point you have the option of using either.
Thanks for sharing your experience in the videos. I would be interested in two topics for future videos: 1) trouble shooting electrical issues (diagnosis, testing, repair) and 2) comparing/selecting controllers and how to wire/connect if mismatched (not a kit).
First time watching your video and I enjoy it ! I have an electric scooter with thumb acceleration over a year and I have to say that it’s fine for me ! Thanks 🙏 very much for the content of this video and now back to another of your videos 😁
for my first 3 years I used a few different thumb throttles, but a few years ago i switched to a half twist and I think its much much better. a lot less hand fatigue
It's pronounced "hand fayg-teeg" actually. Check 5 minutes in the video 😝
My Ebike came with a 1/2 twist that has enough grip on it that I can also use it as a thumb throttle. It helps a lot.
If like me - a regular runner, jogger, trekker etc - you've tripped and fallen quite heavily onto you hands once or twice a year you probably also find that it's usually your thumb and thumb-base that breaks most of each fall's force - so you end up with a thumb that doesn't much like being kept 'muscled" and taut in a stiff position for very long. One advantage of that is you'll feel less inclined to use battery power for long stretches and keep fitter because your stiff aching thumb starts complaining after each 20 secs or so of thumb-throttling..
mannnn, thank you for everything you do. You are awesome, good reliable information!
TIP: Half-twist throttle can be used as cruise control :)
Just push the grip thight against the throttle and it wil stay in place. No wrist fatigue anymore.
And i agree about the right side throttle . They should standardize the back rear shift to the left side to avoid this problem.
But on the other hand, a throttle is forbidden in many countries for pedal assist ebikes (max 350W or 25km/h).
With throttle it falls under the catagory motorised scooter/moped (above 350W and/or 25km\h)
or motorbikes (speedelec bikes) (from 500W till 4000W and/or 50km\h).
That's a pretty dangerous way to do cruise control. Why not just turn on "auto cruise"?
@@ChrisB... It's not really so dangerous. I do exactly the same and just use my brakes when necessary. It cuts power to the motor straight away so it's no big deal having it in cruise control.
Thanks for the great info! I have a Lectric XP 2.0 with a half twist throttle (it’s a bit difficult with my huge hands) but what do you think about switching the brakes so that the left handle brakes the rear wheel and right handle breaks the front… any disadvantages? Thanks
I prefer the thumb throttle. I've had one to many "whiskey throttle" incidents with the "twist"!
Good timing, I was just wondering about the various throttle options. And I totally agree, it should be on the right.
I really enjoy your videos and find them on every subject! 😂
Love your videos!! Informative, concise, and consistent content delivery. Thanks!
greatly prefer a right hand half grip twist throttle. I also have motorcycle experience. A left hand throttle is dangerous in my opinion due to the mix of standards.
My worst throttle experience was on a motorized scooter which used a pull lever throttle on the right side. When I was climbing a hill, the bike wheelied which resulted in my loss of balance and pulling the throttle lever even harder to hold my grip on the handlebars. I flipped over and landed on my back and broke my shoulder blade on the asphalt. Very painful accident with months of slow recovery.
I read all the comments for this one. That was what I was fearing, but you were the one who confirmed it.
Left half twist. I have my gears on the right with a single brake cut off. The half twist IMO is by far the safest option for a throttle as you can ride without worry of triggering the throttle in a busy area. Experienced motorcycle riders may get on fine with a full twist but most people jumping on ebikes are not such people. Never wanted to try a thumb. I have one I want to use for regen braking tho. Cheers
I don't see how any kind of a twist throttle can be less likely to be accidentally activated than a thumb throttle, since your hands are always on the grips, but can easily be kept well away from a thumb throttle. To me, using a thumb throttle requires a deliberate choice. But, if it's a concern for you, that's cool, too. Whatever makes it safe and fun is the right thing.
Really easy to make a cruise control set up for your thumb throttle. If you have a key ignition or a kill switch you can use that to cut the power if you need to stop.
Been a motorcycle rider for 52 years, ebike rider for 5 years. Living down under where we drive on the left side of the road, the tendency to mount a bike is from the left or gutter side, so it's easier the have the twist grip on the left. I predominantly use the throttle to assist take offs, much easier to get moving before cocking one's leg over to take up pedalling. I don't have a problem adjusting from one hand to the other between ebike and motor scooter which I still ride too. So if you drive on the right side of the road, RH throttle is best, and left side of the road LH throttle is best. I do prefer twist grip, Cheers
I'm shopping around for my first electric ladies bike after having back surgery. I need to get fit. I found your videos a wealth of info. Really Kool - Fabulous 👍 appreciated Melly Mel
Enjoyed the video Micah, look forward to another!
Great video! That’s gonna save me a lot of time to figure out which one I like
When making a conversion from MTB to a mid-motor, what is the breaking point to change the drive train to a heavier duty? 500w, 750w or 1000w?
For me 500w was not enough and 750w made me want more so I ended up jumping a few levels straight to 1600w..... Now I plan to start jumping voltages, from 48v to 52v or just straight to a 60v 3kw motor. I can't help it.... It's like working on a dirt bike or motorcycle but it's not dirty or as finicky, it's just plug and play power and I'm addicted¡! LoL
@@xpndblhero5170 This. lol
Maybe one of these days my ordered ebikes will arrive from ten buck two, and I can insert some input into my preference of throttle type also! Why can't we design and build an affordable and competitively good ebike in the USA to avoid the annoying wait times for a ship to circumnavigate the planet? But thank you for your informative video. Stay safe
From twist to thumb throtlevis a revolution, while evolution of twist is ongoing from sling to wire, half twist and so on... to reduce even eleminate weakness...
Old full twist guy here, Thumb seems to be my new favorite.
another great video! thanks micah
i pronounce fatigue like "fah-teeg" but your way is awesome too :)
Would like a throttle on my, new to me "swiss flyer" think it would have to be a thumb throttle fitted on the left, :-0, but not sure if it can be done anyway, any done it?
I like your "real life experience" pros and cons.
The Mod I bought came with a full twist, I didn't like it and got a thumb lever and absolutely LOVE it! despite the issues over rough terrain, but that's what PAS is for, right?!? lol Also I use an old school friction thumb shifter and just have the throttle under the bars and the shifter over the bars works great!
The half twist is by far the safest, I stopped adding full throttles because how dangerous they prove to be on electric bikes. Had a demo bike conversion for folks to test ride 1000 watt basic system with a full twist throttle. I had too many customers doing surprise wheelies in front of the shop! And if you drop it on the throttle side your bike can show you a few brake dance moves. Thumb throttle is good to do as you mentioned in your video switch sides with. I like to do this because I have played Evil Kanevil with my body on bikes all my life and some days one hand or the other may need a rest so I have screw on handle grips and will switch sides with my universal thumb throttle. P.s. I generally remove all gears and such systems from my personal build and only use the rear derailleur as a chain tensioner after bending and filing out guide to fit heavier single speed chains. Thanks for your videos!
Never would'be gave the throttle design much thought but thanks for covering this.
The thumb throttle works best for my cockpit. It just fits and looks better. And my wrist isnt as sore after a ride.
I much prefer the thumb throttle on my kit ebike to the full twist throttle on my fat tire ebike. I put the thumb throttle on the left bar so no interference with the twist shifter on the right. I used to ride motorcycles too, and I still prefer it on the left. The biggest thing I dislike about the full twist throttle is that it's nowhere near as easy to modulate the power - you can't just feather on a little power, it *starts* at like half power. I only have my bike to compare to, maybe other full twist throttles are better than mine. I hope so.
As to getting a sore thumb? Nah. There's a secret. Put thumb pressure on the housing, not on the throttle lever. You can then roll your thumb a little up or down for more or less power. You don't need a lot of pressure to keep your thumb on the housing either. Thanks again Micah for another great video!
as my Chinese 500 watt conversion gives me full power on peddling I have a thumb throttle and an adjustable stop made from an old lamp bracket. I can set it a comfortable speed and just hold it down. Once I release whilst peddling the full power comes back in for the hilly bits.Its worked out better than I anticipated as I am used to riding motor cycles with twist grip and at first wished I had that set up.
I'll go for thumb throttle with wind guards, either in the form of wind breaking gloves, or handlebar-mounted hand covers.
How about a video about regen braking vs dynamo charging? Advantages and disadvantages, which yields more power back into the battery, ease to use and why not.
Amazing content 👍
Keep going ❤
Thanks micah I love your content and watch all your videos
Thanks for a superinformative and well-made video!
Your opinion is right on target as usual, but when you add in PAS and cruise control possibilities, the fatigue factor is less or nonexistent. Then the key is what kind of shifting you prefer. For me, I prefer thumb shifters and then that means putting a thumb throttle to the inside of the shifter to avoid interference.
I once rode my old ATV moped to school, during winter and I forgot my gloves.
Went on a shrotcut through the forst, toskip the motorway (cus it was a moped) and I had to hold onto that gas for over an hour.
Needless to say, the skin on my thumb felt really loose and the skin got purple.
10/10 would recommend.
Another great informative video on a relevant topic that is a personal preference. Even though I lack the experience of riding an electric bike I have ridden motorcycles so a right handed twist throttle make sense. I was thinking the thumb throttle would have been a good choice but this video puts a lot into perspective. Thanks
Although I watched this when Micah first posted it, I apologize if someone else has since posted the obvious problem with left-hand throttles. In the USA, we use our left hand to signal turns. It's pretty difficult to signal properly when it forces you to remove your hand from the throttle. I also think many manufacturers are losing sales to former motorcycle riders who want a twist throttle.
Half twist throttle, on the right, works best for me. I'm used to it there, and my thumb is free to shift without letting go of the throttle. I sometimes take my modified RadMini on mountain bike trails, and I'd run into trouble trying to hang onto a full twist throttle.
Cool, thanks! Is a left half throttle more helpful in a quick reaction situation where you need to slam on the rear (right side) brakes?
Great video! ... You always do a remarkably fine job of explaining things. Thanks for sharing!
Interesting comparison, I haven't used a twist throttle on a ebike yet. Looking forward to it.
I agree about the left side thumb throttle being a bit awkward but I do think it is the best option for e-bikes with the torque-sensing setup since its a secondary control
The thumb throttle on my Juiced Bike is on the left side. It doesn't interfere with the shifter. Control is shared by the brake lever only. Personally, I only use the throttle when starting off or on steep hills.
Hi Mick, here Tom from Holland, I like your channel and your books, they have helped me a lot, could you do a video on controllers, how they work and what the main differences are between the cheap aliexpress kunteng controllers and for instance Infineon and Phaserunner controllers? Thanks, regards Tom
Great video! Todah Micah! From the guy who purchased the Rubbee❤🙏🏻
I am glad I watched your video because I just bought a e bike with the half twist throttle and was thinking about going to a thumb throttle. So for now I will use the one I have and see how I like it before I decide to change it. I also agree with you on the right side throttle since I rode a motorcycle for many years and that is also what I am use to. first timer on your video and now I am going to subscribe as soon as I finish this comment. Thank you.
I thought I would want a twist throttle ...but after watching this maybe not. I currently have a thumb throttle on my custom e-bike ...and maybe I'll just keep it that way.
This is another great video. I am in agreement with you about the right side throttle. Having ridden every conceivable type of powered 2 wheeler during my lifetime, getting used to a left side would just be too weird. My current bike has a left side thumb throttle and I don't like it at all. I would like to see you do 2 new videos. One would be a how to on wiring in accessories to existing controllers. For horns, lights, etc. The other world be on how to convert a thumb throttle to half or full twist. Any special pickups, etc. or are they all standard and just work right (see what I did there) out of the box?
I have a left side half throttle and glad they do them it is upto the individual as I do have a grip gear changer on the right, so I am very happy having the throttle on the left side. Mike
I would very much like to see elegant solutions for handle bar controls as far as diy conversions go... so far the solutions I see work, but look like a cool science experiment = no sleek design. If you have suggestions or references I would be very gratefull.
Hi Mike, I’m running an awesome diy battery on my AT longboard thanks to your vruzend kit!! But my question is: is it possible to run an easy electric setup that allow me to run the signal from the throttle to the motor without an esc or vesc? Thanks for all you teach us
I designed and built my own e-bike. I have 2 1,000 watt tires. I go 36mph for 25 miles per charge .
I first started with 2 (left and right) half twist throttles. This became difficult to use due to hand fatigue. Plus the half twist came with peddle assist.
I then moved to 2 thumb throttles. With the thumb throttle you do not get peddle assist.
The half twist cost a lot more then the thumb throttle.
My bike setup cost for the half twist throttles came to around $2100.00. With the thumb throttles it came to around $1500.00.
Having an all wheel drive e-bike gives you enough torque to throw your head back.
I start off with one then use the other.
With one I can do around 32mph with an average of 23mph. With both throttles I can do a constant 36mph even up hill.
These ebike tires have a RPM rating. Which basically means your tires will only travel so fast.
I use my ebike to ride to work. I put my bike in the hanger, go to work, then go home. I do not ride my ebike anywhere I would have to leave it. Even though I do have an expensive bike chain. I'm always worried someone would damage it trying to pull parts off the bike. The battery alone is over $500.00. So resale value could be up to $100. People now days don't care. It's all about them and if they can't get what they want they'll damage it.
Where I live e-bike are considered a motor vehicle. Which means you have to ride in the street. People don't care. I've been almost hit because people in cars and trucks only see a bicycle. They don't know the laws.
If someone ever hits me or they pull out in front of me and I go flying over their hood, it's going to hurt. I don't care how much safety gear you wear.
The biggest problem is people need to be educated on the rights of an e-biker.
Now aged 73 and having driven and ridden all sorts of cars and bikes I thought I was fully conversant with most cable and sprung throttlesa. Always will be a twist grip guy though. All my life I have been or at least tried to have been a courteous driver and rider. I now have a huge problem. When I used to drive trucks and sometimes cars, if I had a full and heavy load and could see that I was holding up traffic I could give them two ways of me telling I knew they were there and also by either opening my drivers window could wave them through if the way ahead was clear or could indicate and tell them by using my flashers. Neither I know are really street legal here in the UK but are generally accepted as good manners. Now to my problem with my three wheeler motability electric scooter. Mine, because it is listed as being for Continental use also has a three position setting for throttle. 1 = 4mph for use on sidewalk (pavement here in the UK. 2 = 8mph for use on all roads and highways and then 3 =15 mph for Continental roads or private land. Throttle is smooth in increasing speed in all selections, however If and when traffic is building up behind I dare not let go of the spring loaded throttle as it shuts off power so quickly I know that before I can signal using the standard circled hand then the traffic behind me would be grinding me into the pavement. Know what I mean ?
Is there any way of modifying this shut down? I must admit that it's almost handy as I shut down speed in increments when approaching a junction, however I'm sure I can get used to that rather than causing a crash. Any and all ideas welcome . Great show and thank you. Regards Alan
As a long time motorcyclist I am well accustomed to a twist throttle. I have used a thumb throttle on an atv. In very rough terrain I hit a bump, inadvertently accelerated, and ended upside down under the atv. So, yeah, thumb throttles for me are no. Never tried one but the half throttle sounds real good and may be something I would really like.
You brought up which side the throttle should be on right or left. How do weigh in on brake levers, front on right or left hand?
I ride motorcycles, so am used to the twist throttle. Having said that, have taken several test ride while shopping for an ebike. All have the left thumb throttle. I adjusted so I will go with the ebike that meets my other needs and not worry about the throttle placement.
My girlfriend has cerebral palsy. I built her an electric trike. She used to have a full twist but the hall sensor went bad and I replaced it with a thumb throttle which works better for her because she has gotten scared in the past and floored the throttle. Luckily the brake safety switches are connected so all I had to do was grab a brake handle. With the thumb throttle she instinctively let go of the throttle instead of squeezing down on it.
For me I like full twist. Havent tried a half.
You can have a twist throttle with a grip shifter easily. Just put the throttle on the other side. It's not that natural but you get used to it easily especially if you have a midrive and you need to shift often, sometime 2-3 gears at once (that's why I'm using the twist shifter). For me that's the best configuration and it works perfectly. While using a thumb throttle or shifter I found that tendon inflammation occurs much often
Excellent discourse on the subject. I agree with the half twist. Thank you!
can you go over 5 of your top helmets. Thanks john
Thumb on the left, it can give some pain on a long road ride, but for rocky single track its perfect for throttle stability.
Eureka! I viewed your excellent videos and tried adding a thumb to my Himiway Cruiser with not altogether satisfactory results and off it came. I prefer to twist but found the half-grip throttle clumsy to modulate. Then an epiphany: Those flattened comfy grips are the problem. As I try to rotate the throttle with the right side of my palm, the left side is held in place by the right-side half-grip. I replaced both grips with conventional round grips slightly smaller in diameter than the throttle and now I have great control. The shape of the new grips allows my palm to slip in concert with the rotation of the throttle. What do you think? Have I just advanced the half-throttle solution, at least for this setup?
Do you know of any actual cruise control throttles? As usual, another great video!
Hi Micah! Great video on Thumb vs Twist throttle. I do have a question - in this video on the bench behind, you have your very cool looking helmet. What make and model is it? Can you please showcase that for us?
Im interested in regen. What type of controller do i need for a 48 v 1000w hub? Is it just plug and play? Or do i need to make any modifications?
they don't give a shit about us, >sniff
Great information on throttle types, thanks for sharing.
Interesting as always.
On a different topic - I have seen kits for converting your bike to an e-bike that are for the rear wheel and some that are for the front wheel. What about making a video installing both on one bike, making it a 2WD, so perhaps on a mountain bike and then testing it?
Yes you can.
I use thumb throttle for my geo orbital conversion kit, but I also have an extender on it so I can just gently angle my wrist and press it with the heel of my palm.
can i ask something?? which is better, brushless hub or mid drive motor? thank you sir. im from phil..
Great video. Well explained!
woud youplease advice ; can the full twist throttles ( 90 - 120 degrees twist I mean ) improve starting speed and jerky movenments of ebikes ? or not much to expect in reality ?
I would love to see a video on the benefits of 21700 vs 18650 cells. And which 21700 cells do you think are the best.
I have a thumb throttle and find it easy to use the back of the wrist instead of my thumb. Comfortable and Great in cold weather
What do you think of the Swytch bike? I find the electric bikes are so heavy and I have a nice road bike and am interested in the Swytch bike. looks light weight and has the bottom bracket sensor.
Hi Micah, what is the best method of hooking up multiple powered accessories (lights, horns, etc.) to one battery on an ebike?
Are there knob shaped rotary throttles? What about the cruise control feature that comes with many of the bike computers? Are there steering wheels for e-bikes?