THROTTLES: Twist vs Thumb - Which is better?!
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I’ve been binge watching all of your RUclips vids in preparation for my first ebike. This one was just as helpful, and I imagine, as a long time motorcycle rider, I think I’d be similar in preferring the half throttle. Thanks!
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Bikes controls like brakes are the reverse of motorcycles, throttle on the left side, I"m changing to a motorcycle standard pattern, reverse the brakes earlier, bought a regular right twist throttle too
I'm changing from a half twist throttle to a thumb throttle located on the left hand side, as i have gear thumb shift selector already on the right. - good video about throttles.
WOW! That's enough to make my head swim! I have a LOT to learn. A friend who manages a bike shop has said when this pandemic is over he will help me convert my bike! Whole new learning experience! Thanks for the information. 👍🖖
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First time watching your video and I enjoy it ! I have an electric scooter with thumb acceleration over a year and I have to say that it’s fine for me ! Thanks 🙏 very much for the content of this video and now back to another of your videos 😁
I like the control a thumb throttle gives from a standing start. Useful when initially mounting imo.
Thanks for sharing your experience in the videos. I would be interested in two topics for future videos: 1) trouble shooting electrical issues (diagnosis, testing, repair) and 2) comparing/selecting controllers and how to wire/connect if mismatched (not a kit).
Love your videos!! Informative, concise, and consistent content delivery. Thanks!
Good timing, I was just wondering about the various throttle options. And I totally agree, it should be on the right.
Great video! ... You always do a remarkably fine job of explaining things. Thanks for sharing!
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I’m glad that the title of your video didn’t specify bicycles. I would have casually skipped over it. Turns out your information was very helpful in my decision of which type of throttle to install on my daughter’s ATV project. Thank you!
Another great informative video on a relevant topic that is a personal preference. Even though I lack the experience of riding an electric bike I have ridden motorcycles so a right handed twist throttle make sense. I was thinking the thumb throttle would have been a good choice but this video puts a lot into perspective. Thanks
Enjoyed the video Micah, look forward to another!
Just bought my first ebike and it came with a thumb throttle that has cruise control built in. After holding the throttle down for approximately 6 seconds the cruise control kicks in and you can release the throttle and the bike maintains what ever speed you were going. To turn it off you simply tap either brake and it cuts off the motor. Love this feature, use it all the time on my 20 mile round trip commute to work.
Seems companies are catering more to the commuter class. Bought a Gemini e bike it has slicks, thumb throttle, cruise control, 28AH, 750w motor, hydraulic disc brakes, 400lb load capacity. Not the highest specs but great value under $2000 including tax and shipping.
Great video! I converted my bikes to thumb levers by using cramp busters and cutting them to fit. Seems to give me better control, and no 'accidental throttling'! Keep up the good work!
Great video! That’s gonna save me a lot of time to figure out which one I like
Nice review. I predicted the 1/2 throttle when you mentioned the grip to hold vs constant twisting.
Hey Mike, you have not mentioned the "feeling" of a twist throtle.
I have used the thumb throtle, but the twist has a major advantage: really controlling the motor.If you press the thumb throtle, you can feel a certain gradual power increasing, as you are pressing the thumb button.But with twist throtle, that's more let's say "fine tuned"
I can twist the throtle, just to keep the motor rotating really slow and being able to accelerate smoother, just like when having the more expensive controllers, for example ASI bac, or phaserunner.These controllers are known to keep the motor rotating.This of course applies only for mid drive motors, i have tested and noticed this while using bbs02b and bbshd motors.
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Personally I prefer the thumb throttle because it allows me to have my remaining fingers resting on the brake lever, in many cases as I was cruising around, a car pops out of a driveway or a garage without checking and having my finger right by the brake lever I many times could let go of the throttle and immediately yank on the brake to stop the bike, where on the half-twist throttle you're gripping on the throttle and your handle grip at all the time, so that additional fraction of time you need to let go it the twist and reach your fingers over the lever to then press hard on it, doesn't pass me the confidence of control feeling. It might be something just psychological but having my fingers ready to press the brake makes me feel in control of the bike, than the bike in control of me. So in my hike I also have a horn button wrapped around my handle grip, so my thumb its on the throttle, my index finger is by the horn button and the left 3 fingers on the brake lever. So while I brake I honk the heck out of the driver to wake him up while I stop my bike to avoid a collision. Seems a lot, but saved me every time. Thanks God.
I have been riding bicycles since I was 7 years old. July 14th 2002 I first rode my hammer ebike. I watched a lot of videos they said there's a lot of power but I didn't believe it LOL. So I take off I'm at the End of the Street faster than I can believe it it's a short Street. I was going to turn right but with the giant fat tires is not so easy so I almost believed then I went up on the sidewalk and crashed. And I hit my nub straight down on the sidewalk. And then I got up and rode 12 more miles and that was the most fun I've had in years. Sitting here trying to heal my foot then I lost my leg after years of trying to save it so I've hardly been anywhere except the doctor and shopping and now I am free yay yay for e-bikes and I used my stimulus for something good that should last me a very long time if I keep it maintained. It's a lot like a regular bicycle Minus the electric motor and being 70 pounds and the giant tires. I truly believe in E bikes. I was researching and the first ebike looks like a motorcycle was in 1895 but they didn't have the distance please do and that was made by Bosch I wonder if it was made in Rochester New York near me they have a place Bausch & Lomb well they used to.
Or u can just hit the brakes with your left hand makes things a lot easier 🤦♂️
Same here, thumb all the way! Plus switch the brakes to the UK style. Actually is the right way compared to dirt bikes etc.. Front brake on the right
@@neoroberts2802 each brake is a different tire
That where short way twist throttles come in handy. You can rest your pointing finger on the break and still twist it. Or change the brakes. But thumb throttle is cool too. I just like twist better. But your points are valid. Look at quads these have thumb throttles for a reason. I ride long empty paths so of course I choose the twist. It’s an easy ride nothing to worry about.
Excellent discourse on the subject. I agree with the half twist. Thank you!
Thanks for a superinformative and well-made video!
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My bike came with a half-twist. Used it for several months before trying out a cheap thumb throttle on a whim. Found I had way more precise speed control with the thumb throttle, a less cluttered cockpit, and more constant stability while also being able to keep my fingers rested on the brake lever at all times for an overall safer and more stable experience for someone who occasionally has to ride on ice and slush.
I've not experienced any of the downsides listed. My bike's controller has PAS and cruise control, I had more issues with bounce affecting throttle on the half-twist with my weight being partially distributed onto the throttle, and I routinely commute in sub-freezing temperatures without issue by simply wearing gloves--something I'd be doing in the cold, regardless of if I was on a bike or not.
May be worth mentioning that I've been playing video games for over 35 years and am a pianist, and have a strong, well-conditioned thumb, and possibly an under-developed wrist, so others' mileage may vary. The difference in analog precision for me however was night and day. To borrow an analogy from gaming, it was like switching from an analog stick to a mouse for aiming.
"The difference in analog precision for me however was night and day."
Are you saying that the half-twist throttle sucked because it was not analogue?
@@jason.arthur.taylor Nope, the operating word was precision. My thumb with no other forces being exerted on it could make much finer adjustments than my entire wrist which was also supporting part of my weight, gripping the handlebars for stability and keeping my fingers within reach of the brakes (and later my turn signals). It was easier to maintain a stable grip, especially over bumpy terrain and still have very precise control with flexing a loose thumb than twisting my entire wrist. With the thumb I could accelerate much more slowly and hold any speed I wanted without interference from any other factors.
another great video! thanks micah
Great information on throttle types, thanks for sharing.
I am glad I watched your video because I just bought a e bike with the half twist throttle and was thinking about going to a thumb throttle. So for now I will use the one I have and see how I like it before I decide to change it. I also agree with you on the right side throttle since I rode a motorcycle for many years and that is also what I am use to. first timer on your video and now I am going to subscribe as soon as I finish this comment. Thank you.
Cool, thanks! Is a left half throttle more helpful in a quick reaction situation where you need to slam on the rear (right side) brakes?
Hi Mike, I’m running an awesome diy battery on my AT longboard thanks to your vruzend kit!! But my question is: is it possible to run an easy electric setup that allow me to run the signal from the throttle to the motor without an esc or vesc? Thanks for all you teach us
Thumb throttle connected to control variable regen and halve twist for motor throttle. Another awesome video from Micah.
Great work you are doing, sir. Thank you for that. Inspired me a lot. Working on my 3rd e-bike at the moment.
I have a question.
Why do (cheap) controllers don't have regen braking over 59 volts?
can i ask something?? which is better, brushless hub or mid drive motor? thank you sir. im from phil..
Hi Micah, what is the best method of hooking up multiple powered accessories (lights, horns, etc.) to one battery on an ebike?
Question, what should I focus on if I'm trying to build a "stealthy" ebike, small battery? small motors? Any tips? thanks.
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Sensor: Hall vs back EMF sensing - Which is better?
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Helpful video, thank you for your brilliance.
This is another great video. I am in agreement with you about the right side throttle. Having ridden every conceivable type of powered 2 wheeler during my lifetime, getting used to a left side would just be too weird. My current bike has a left side thumb throttle and I don't like it at all. I would like to see you do 2 new videos. One would be a how to on wiring in accessories to existing controllers. For horns, lights, etc. The other world be on how to convert a thumb throttle to half or full twist. Any special pickups, etc. or are they all standard and just work right (see what I did there) out of the box?
Amazing content 👍
Keep going ❤
I really enjoy your videos and find them on every subject! 😂
I have a 26 inch camboy electric bike does it make a difference if the handlebars are still or aluminum for the throttle to work
Thanks so much for the videos I just wanted to ask If my ebike battery takes a xlr plug can I use a normal xlr cable to add as a extension and then plug my in my charger to charge my battery I'm currently running a 52v battery and my charger is 52v 4a thanks
Hi Mick, here Tom from Holland, I like your channel and your books, they have helped me a lot, could you do a video on controllers, how they work and what the main differences are between the cheap aliexpress kunteng controllers and for instance Infineon and Phaserunner controllers? Thanks, regards Tom
Would like a throttle on my, new to me "swiss flyer" think it would have to be a thumb throttle fitted on the left, :-0, but not sure if it can be done anyway, any done it?
The Mod I bought came with a full twist, I didn't like it and got a thumb lever and absolutely LOVE it! despite the issues over rough terrain, but that's what PAS is for, right?!? lol Also I use an old school friction thumb shifter and just have the throttle under the bars and the shifter over the bars works great!
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Do you know if a thumb throttle is compatible to use with a befang bbs02 or a bbs02b please. I would mainly use pedal assist but just incase. Thanks.
Thanks for the great info! I have a Lectric XP 2.0 with a half twist throttle (it’s a bit difficult with my huge hands) but what do you think about switching the brakes so that the left handle brakes the rear wheel and right handle breaks the front… any disadvantages? Thanks
Im looking for a set of tires to put on an electric enduro bike that Im building. would you suggest motorcycle tires or regular bike tires?
If like me - a regular runner, jogger, trekker etc - you've tripped and fallen quite heavily onto you hands once or twice a year you probably also find that it's usually your thumb and thumb-base that breaks most of each fall's force - so you end up with a thumb that doesn't much like being kept 'muscled" and taut in a stiff position for very long. One advantage of that is you'll feel less inclined to use battery power for long stretches and keep fitter because your stiff aching thumb starts complaining after each 20 secs or so of thumb-throttling..
Great video. Well explained!
Thanks for this video. It answers a lot of questions for me. I have one for you that I haven't found anyone doing. I have a trolling motor I was thinking about using on the front wheel of my bike, using a rear wheel, and chain drive. What do you think of this idea and is it practical?
Thanks for you feedback on this. What about pedelec like systems, are there DIY kits which offer smart assistance based on pedal sensors? Thanks!
I have a TSDZ2 mid drive motor and it doesn’t “kick in” unles i’m going 6mph or more. Is there a setting I’m missing so the trike can start @ 3mph? I would love to get my son to help w a solar panel to passively charge the bike battery, (his kids are same age as yours!) any help wld b appreciated.
Thx for the video. I was needing rhis info.
Not sure if this has been covered by one of your older videos, but is it possible to run two battery packs (both with BMSs) on one bike, so that we can use two chargers?
Or what options are there to charge faster than the usual e-bike 5~6 amp (fast chargers)?
Am asking because using a 30~40 AH battery with one 5~ amp charger would just take too long to charge the battery up to full if its been run down reasonably low.
thanks!
ps... is there a way to do a variable regen braking system? (edit again) heh... google algorithm must be reading my comments, a video explaining this question popped into my suggested videos list, lol
seems that it will mainly depend on the controller and if it can accept this option or not. thnx
My Ebike came with a 1/2 twist that has enough grip on it that I can also use it as a thumb throttle. It helps a lot.
I use a motorcycle throttle lock with a full twist to prevent wrist fatigue. Are there any other motorcycle parts that you would recommend for a ebike? Maybe turn signals, brake light or headlights. Or any others?
I have a question, this is regards to my headlights I want to connect them to my turn signal is it okay or not okay
Wait, so if I have trigger shifters on the bike I want to convert, does that mean I have to use twist throttle, or can I still make a thumb throttle work somehow?
So far no complaints with the half twist. Some people even will attach a zip tie (or something similar) to make a half twist into a thumb throttle. I guess at that point you have the option of using either.
I know you've mad a lot of batteries.. question:
I mad that 52v triangle battery from your video and book. It ran like a champ but when I pull a lot of juice, it frys 3 batteries in the middle of a series, same spot multiple times even after I get the cells out and replace them. What are the possible causes? Its a cheap Chinese bms so my money's on that
Hi, not sure if you will see this comment considering ur video is over 2 yrs old but can you help me find a solution for my left thumb throttle. After a little while, my thumb starts hurting and feeling numb from constantly pushing with my thumb on the throttle which has that weird kinda sharp edges, like the one you showed. What can I use to place on the throttle to make it softer?
Im interested in regen. What type of controller do i need for a 48 v 1000w hub? Is it just plug and play? Or do i need to make any modifications?
they don't give a shit about us, >sniff
as my Chinese 500 watt conversion gives me full power on peddling I have a thumb throttle and an adjustable stop made from an old lamp bracket. I can set it a comfortable speed and just hold it down. Once I release whilst peddling the full power comes back in for the hilly bits.Its worked out better than I anticipated as I am used to riding motor cycles with twist grip and at first wished I had that set up.
Having ridden motorcycles most my life, Twiiissssst!!
2021 and ive only just heard of these things! I like twist but wouldnt mind trying one of these
For me it’s twist only because of cruise control
But if you have ridden a motorcycle for so long, why just don't ride a motorcycle? Haha a ebike must be so slow in comparison.
Half throtle is best.When you're standing it's way more different than on a bike.
@@Ramon314 Some escooters can go 80K +!!!
Standing on it feels way faster than on a bike.😹🤬🙀
For the BBS02 motor, is a twist throttle a direct replacement for the thumb throttle or is additional programming necessary? Thanks
I’m building a Bafang ultra, my throttle is going on the left just to discourage me from using...but it’s there if I need it
Good video. Thank you. What do you think about adapting RC motors and controllers for use on Ebikes?
Are there any throttles with real cruise ctrl feature that locks the throttle in place or setting a speed on the display computer?
Do you have idea why scooter m365 reduceing speed, slowing down and then accelerate again.this patern is constant when rideing full trothel.maby to change capacitor from 63v to 100v on motor controler.?.or the number of revolution is limited by software
Thanks for the great information.
I have a 750watt 48volt rear hub drive ebike and would like to add a front hub drive to make a 2 wheel drive and increase speed. Can I integrate the same controller and battery or replace 22 amp controller. Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
Another great informative video 👍👌
I personally run a Left hand Thumb throttle as i have a 11 speed Gear shifter on the right. I got my thumb throttle version similar to that of a jetski or Quad throttle meaning movement from right to left instead of the thumb throttle you showed which operates in a up/down operation. I think the jetski /Quad style is easier to use as its closer to my normal left hand grip position (a more natural position)
Where can you get this Quad style throttle ?
Interesting comparison, I haven't used a twist throttle on a ebike yet. Looking forward to it.
Hi
Can you have 2 motors with 1 throttle ? And how would you be able to set this up?
is it possible to hook battery packs together of equal size in series or parallel without having to change out the bms ?
I have a left side half throttle and glad they do them it is upto the individual as I do have a grip gear changer on the right, so I am very happy having the throttle on the left side. Mike
I prefer left hand throttle cause of my left hand having more strength and dexterity than my right hand. I appreciate company's giving us choices.
Can you get more power out of a certain throttle . I've seen a boost throttle? Is it worth trying?
Eureka! I viewed your excellent videos and tried adding a thumb to my Himiway Cruiser with not altogether satisfactory results and off it came. I prefer to twist but found the half-grip throttle clumsy to modulate. Then an epiphany: Those flattened comfy grips are the problem. As I try to rotate the throttle with the right side of my palm, the left side is held in place by the right-side half-grip. I replaced both grips with conventional round grips slightly smaller in diameter than the throttle and now I have great control. The shape of the new grips allows my palm to slip in concert with the rotation of the throttle. What do you think? Have I just advanced the half-throttle solution, at least for this setup?
How about a video about regen braking vs dynamo charging? Advantages and disadvantages, which yields more power back into the battery, ease to use and why not.
Hey i am starting an electric bike rental business in my area and i'm currently building my fleet. I will be useing mountain bikes but im unsure whether i should use PAS, 36 Volt packs ideally with 20 amp hour range or 48 V 10 amp hour with throttle assist. I'm unsure with would be better for a rental application
What do you think of the Swytch bike? I find the electric bikes are so heavy and I have a nice road bike and am interested in the Swytch bike. looks light weight and has the bottom bracket sensor.
I always use thumb throttle, its more comfortable and more precise. Its also safer from unwanted situations when bike is being parked or pushed and you or someone else accidentally push the throttle
I'm considering the VITILAN AT7 which has a thumb throttle on the left handle bar. Not sure how I feel about this.
Hi Mike, please, can you tell me the best quality e-bikes with AWD and Full Suspension that you tried?
Love your videos.
Thank you.
I installed a popular mid drive kit but the new chain wheel is bigger by a few teeth. I tried to find the few additional links of the right type to add but they aren't available like that. Why? I had to buy a new chain. Also can you do a tutorial on chain repair/maintenance? Thanks
I saw a video of Tom Stanton, he uses a VESC flipsky as a controller, can you talk about it? My project is a direct drive 800w hub motor and gonna use the vesc, already bought the app.
Great video!
I have a Rad eBike which has a 1/2 throttle on the RHS. Is there a gadget which will hold the throttle say, in the full or part-open position for extended travel at this speed without me twisting the throttle?
Awesome content as always!
But can you please clarify which type of Cargo ebike is easier to handle.
Also, I am into making my own diy Cargo ebike. Just cant settle with a mid drive or hub motor. So please suggest the better solution.
Do you have any suggestions on making a diy bike water proof or resistance?
QUESTION I NEED ANCER TO i want to build a 54v 200ah battery for a trike how meny batterys do i need for this and whats the easy way to do it e,g how meny in a row and how meny rows ???? am a newbie at this sorry if i sound dumb ppl
Is it possible to switch the thumb throttle from the left to the right side? What problems would that cause, if any?
What qualities does an e bike needs to have to be able to perform well in very snowy conditions?
Hello,
My question is what would it take to convert a left thumb throttle to a right hand twist throttle on a Aventon level Ebike?
John
Never would'be gave the throttle design much thought but thanks for covering this.
Is it possible to use a super capacitor/LiFePo battery setup to power an ebike setup like a car battery replacement? (Note: this setup is still experimental with cars, but is showing a lot of promise.)
I’m looking to by a battery online. I currently have a 1000W 15.6Ah 48V battery ebike. It is however very heavy.
I would like to downgrade to a tube mounted smaller 48V battery. Can you please tell me what I need to be aware of? Such as the connection type, current etc.
When making a conversion from MTB to a mid-motor, what is the breaking point to change the drive train to a heavier duty? 500w, 750w or 1000w?
For me 500w was not enough and 750w made me want more so I ended up jumping a few levels straight to 1600w..... Now I plan to start jumping voltages, from 48v to 52v or just straight to a 60v 3kw motor. I can't help it.... It's like working on a dirt bike or motorcycle but it's not dirty or as finicky, it's just plug and play power and I'm addicted¡! LoL
@@xpndblhero5170 This. lol
Does anyone have an opinion on (or a link to a review of) the different handlebar mitts for cold-weather riding?
Over the last month I randomly came across a few comments on them, and what I heard is that none of them work real well in terms of keeping cold air completely out and/or not interfering with handlebar controls etc. Also they all seem to be a pain to quickly take on & off the bars - no quick release.
Just got a radmission. A well-designed pair would be very helpful for me this winter, just need to zero in on the best available. Cold hands will definitely limit my my winter ridng. Thanks.