It's always OK to support art that speaks to you. No, listening to Travis Scott doesn't mean you support human trampling and listening to the Beatles doesn't mean you beat your wife
Hi everyone, Redthony Dogtano here, the preschool's busiest music nerd, and today were going to be taking a look at this new title sequence for Clifford the Big Red Dog. Now, I've been following the stuff PBS Kids has been putting out since my mother first sat me in front of one of their shows two years ago, and as I've said before in my past Show and Tell presentations on the channel, I think they have some bangers, but it's been a pretty mixed bag overall.
Liking an artist’s music doesn’t mean you support their every action + Youngboy better + ratio + L + Being a youngboy fan isn't just a hobby, it's a lifestyle, a reason to breathe, an escape from this cruel world filled with thieves. It's the fine gift you open on Christmas, a hug from a loved one, everything you've ever wanted, everything you need.
@@miezanxkenshin3473 unless it’s XXX or 69 - fantano himself puts down the idea of even listening to the music due to their actions. Even though I would argue neither one of those guys did anything that involved in multiple DEATHS
My favorite misfits song is sung by Michale Graves, a literal honest to god white supremacist Do I hate that I love Dig Up Her Bones as much as I do? Sure. But I can separate it from his nonsense. R Kelly and Chris Brown are really the only ones where I am really hesitant to listen to, as hypocritical it may sound. I can’t listen to R Kelly thinking about whether or not his lyrics are talking about his victims/literal children, and Chris almost killed Rihanna.
@@DouglasCarter69 nothing that x even “did” is confirmed and there’s a leaked phone call on the internet between him and his ex where she’s worried about getting jail time for starting the false accusations. i’m not tryna like defend the dude if what happened is true but there’s hella evidence that he never physically abused her. i’m sure he said smth fucked up to her at some points but i don’t think he ever physically laid hands or her
@@bigmistqke Exactly. Once you have seen one, you've seen them all. Now everyone follows the formula to try and get free likes (even I have tried before lol)
Personally, I could never get into his work. I get the appeal, but he's just so over the place and genuinely off-putting. I guess a lot of people aren't being rude or mean, they just feel awkwardly. I would feel this way if I was in front of him.
separating the art from the artist is tricky when the art is a direct reflection of the artist. short answer is yes, but if some ppl are put off by it due to the brand of "rage" and recklessness in Travis's music (which ended up killing people) I don't blame them at all. of course, blame livenation more than Travis tbh. they're more responsible for it than anyone else.
Idk if Travis’ “brand of rage and recklessness” killed people as much as the poor event planning, lack of medical tents, and water stations did. I’m not trying to say Travis doesn’t deserve a share of the blame (he definitely does) but the fact that people are boycotting Travis while also completely ignoring Live Nation’s extremely large role in the tragedy is sad.
yeah, agreed, I also don´t know, if there are definite lines that need to be drawn. When it comes to nazis, sex offenders etc. I often struggel with my morality. It is easier of course if it isn´t reflected in the music. Supporting them is off the table with such serious shit for me.
Everyone draws their own line imo, and the only person who gets to draw that line is them. I usually don’t like to monetarily support say, someone who has sexual abuse/rape allegations, but if I already bought the vinyl before that I’ll pop the album on. But again, that’s my line, it may be different for someone else.
travis directly saw what was going on (ambulance lights) and didn’t do anything because he was worried about messing up the “rage” atmosphere. going for that vibe the first place is the issue it’s just promoting dangerous horde mentalities / behavior just so people can jump up an down for an hour. travis music mostly gives me a bad taste now
I think Hurley is a great album title / cover as a complete enigma. Probably better than understanding the reference. If I saw a Pixies album with a fat guy on the cover just called "Steven" I have to admit I'd be intrigued.
I still think it’s one of the most hilarious album titles/covers. It’s meant to be lighthearted and fun. Granted I watched LOST when it came out so it has more context for me
Hey Anthony /srs I was having a really bad trip. It's late over here and I didn't want to wake my partner or housemates up. Seeing your video helped me get through the worst of it. Thx
Imagine ur dad is Anthony Fantano and u watch a show with him then he gets up and turns on the camera and starts reviewing and roasting the intro song for its poorly constructed instrumentation
I’ve been a patreon supporter for over a year because when you initially advertised the let’s argue episodes I pledged and then just forgot about it so now I have an epic backlog I can go back to
I like your take on Bob Marley. Same happens with Kurt Cobain and many punk or rap artists where every normie claims to be a fan but might have a worldview these artists tried to challenge. Also BTBAM's Colors is indeed great!
Re - Travis Scott: There is no right answer. If you want to listen to Travis's music, that's fine, it does not make you a Travis apologist. If you can't, that's fine too, you are not a soft-skinned hater. Everyone has a different ability to ignore or forget what the artist did, a different capacity to not dwell on it. I find I can separate art from artist in most cases, especially artists who were before my time, but sometimes it's just too heinous. I loved The Lostprophets, but I will never be able to enjoy the music I know I would and could enjoy, if only I wasn't constantly reminded of the utterly horrific things the lead singer engaged with. With kids. I'll leave it at that.
I read about it just now out of morbid curiosity and I need to take a shower wtf If I heard something like that for the first time before hearing about the band I would most likely not listen to them myself in my opinion yikes
Honestly i have a hard time with this discussion because i don't believe Travis is responsible for this. His one job was stepping out on stage to perform, and maybe being a creative director for the festival. He wasn't in charge of ensuring people's safety during the performance. Paying close attention to the audience doesn't seem to be a given with him due to the whole raging thing. There's somebody behind the scenes that fucked up.
We are all inconsistent with separating art form artist when it’s people we like. If you like someone’s music partly cuz u think their character is good, u agree with their politics, great. If u don’t and u separate the two, great. Music is music.
@@draic890 100%, but that doesn’t mean his actions were acceptable either. But yea I never got why the brunt of the blame landed on him, just cuz people needed a fall guy to be mad at so the venue can continue making money? Idk
@@pddimez8485 good comment but you didnt have to include the addresses, names, and social security numbers of everyone that has ever sent a meme using that format
if the comments are going to get a new running joke we should have something about Anthony's moustache. it's always there, always waiting, but sometimes it's shy and hides real well
8:13 I agree here. I see that joke in so many reviews and it's always liked so much that it often beats out legit opinions and great discussion-worthy comments. It gets super boring to see and I am only just scraping the vast melon content surface. I can only imagine how many more times I might see it.
@@Nick-eq5oo bro you’re literally just doing what Anthony said he finds unfunny. Idk why you think it’s funny it’s so old and overused Liked and subscribed
The fact that the replies to this comment have done this exact thing and got tons of likes is so frustrating. Sometimes people just want to have a sincere discussion but everyone wants to be the same guy to do the 180 "twist" joke at the end. It's such a hivemind mentality and it ruins comment sections. Yet I guarantee someone will reply to me and I'll get ratioed because I didn't follow the circlejerk and they did. Whatever, I just hope someone sees my point.
I really can’t disconnect the music from an artist because it’s like buying a carpet from a carpet seller who did what happened in Travis’ case. And I think that’s the whole problem with consumption blindness. People don’t care anymore where the stuff comes from they listen to, wear or eat. I listened to Travis so much but now I hear his voice and I feel so weird letting him entertain me with his music when I’m actually so pissed about him behaving like a careless child on stage. I really don’t understand how it’s possible to disconnect both things and support someone with views and streams when you don’t support the person. It benefits them. And a person having benefits after all of this is not right imo.
As an artist myself I understand that there’s a separation between the artist and art. No one of my songs represents me as a person. I don’t even emotionally identify with some of my songs anymore, but other people do. The relationship with someone and a song is entirely contained by the listener. The artist has nothing to really do with it. When people say “is it ok to listen to __?” I always say yes, although it is sus af if someone mainly listens to NSBM or other forms of music with bigoted themes lol
Also an artist and I'd say that your experience is not universal, all of my art is deeply personal. I'd also say that for me the line gets iffy when the art does line up with the artist. Travis talking about raging and moshing in songs just is different now that people are dead. Jimmy urine of MSI making pedophilia jokes and using imagery of young women's underwear just is different now that he has been called out for being a pedophile. That's not to say just don't make art about unsavory things, it's just nessisarly different if you also do that stuff. I also wouldn't want my art to inspire someone to do something awful.
@@hazelschannel162 that's exactly my point, the experience is not universal. I would not judge you at all for choosing not to listen to certain artists for the reasons that you have. I also wouldn't judge other people for still listening to it. I'm not sure how common it is for art to "inspire someone to do something awful" these days. I'm sure most people throw on a Travis Scott song because the beat goes hard, and they don't think about it much beyond that. I wouldn't ruin those peoples' time who are doing nothing wrong by forcing my own moral compass on other people. And don't get me wrong, my art is very personal. It's just that songs get old and people change over time. And no one of my songs represents my entire being.
It's a case of seperating art from artist for me. I absolutely think it's understandable that certain people can't bring themselves to listen to his music given his response to the whole Astroworld thing, but I personally don't let a person's public persona get in the way of enjoying anything they've produced, because it doesn't automatically tarnish its quality for me. Same thing with all the allegations around Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly, writer on Astonishing X-Men, director of Avengers and Age of Ultron). I'm not going to just take back anything I've said about a piece of art/literature/film just because the person behind is a crappy person. That's ultimately on them
@@AmmarAli1 I would say yes, but especially after how Crimes of Grindelwald and Cursed Child turned out I've basically checked out of being hardcore into Wizarding World. It's not even case of JK Rowling taking the stance she does on certain topics. Her writing has just degraded HEAVILY over the last few years on top of her trying to go back and retcon her own lore to make it seem like certain things were always planned which is stupid Hogwarts Legacy looks fire though
@@GlitzPixie I wasn't saying that. I was saying that any person who decides to be a crappy d-bag is making that decision for themselves. It also doesn't mean I have to just stop admitting that I like said person's work. I totally get if others can't do that, but I've learned to not have a person's persona outside of their products color my judgement of said products. I can absolutely still not condone what said person has done though For example, I think Kanye West makes really good music. I also think that Kanye West as a person is delusional and ego-centric as all hell, but I'm not going to just blacklist albums like 808s and Heartbreaks or MBDTF from my Spotify downloads because of that because it doesn't change my opinion on those albums overnight, especially since certain products were made before I was given new perspective on them as individuals outside their work
Let's argue: The Emaj7 played in the guitar intro to this video is out of place with the 3 previous chords Fantano plays, being G, C, and A. The A sounds like it may be a secondary dominant leading to D but instead Fantano plays an Emaj7, creating a jarring transition that is not smoothed out with any chords after it that might establish why an Emaj7 makes harmonic sense in this context. And then, even worse, he loops it? Light 3. I appreciate the bold direction but I was expecting more.
I would never hate on someone for still listening to Travis Scott, but I hope others at least understand my discomfort with him and listening to his music at this point
Record labels, Hollywood, and the entertainment industry as a whole has bred this idea of pushing the individual, pushing the persona, or pushing a brand rather than focusing on the media itself that is produced by those said entities. Its lead to a culture of praising celebrities for their art rather than praising the art itself. This type of human commodification has soiled what it means to actually consume art. The fact of the matter is that streams are really just a collection of numbers, artists get paid in piss droplets for their streams from a streaming service, the value from the streams derives from influence. Look at how travis scott kickstarted his career, by using botted streams and a way to influence people into giving him a platform for his career. Once an artist loses credibility from perhaps an outside factor, then their streams aren't a justification for influence. I mean, R Kelly has 4.5 million monthly listeners on spotify but he can't do shit with these numbers, it's like the name "R Kelly" has become worthless like a fallen stock price. The whole idea of supporting artists by streaming their songs was pushed by Spotify in order to get people to buy their expensive service, the reality is that as an individual consumer, you practically have no power to do anything to support an artists career. This is why it was never NOT ok to listen to Travis Scott's music, or anyone else's for crying out loud. I understand if you personally are uncomfortable listening to someone's music after something that they have done, but don't abstain yourself due to an economic reason, you don't have the power to affect someone's pocket. P.S. Although you don't have as much power as a consumer, it should be noted that abstaining from buying merch is the best way to not support an artist. The margins are very high for clothing, they make the most money off of clothes.
Anthony right about the stale jokes in his comment sections. Y'all gotta come up with something new cos I thought I was the only one noticing how the comments on nearly all of his videos follow the exact same pattern to the point where it's corny and redundant. In the words of a wise woman named Miss Juicy: "Can y'all come up with something else?"
I felt awful for astroworld victims, but cant really blame Travis for everything. Feel like he got caught up in his ambitions and started valuing money over fans, which led to him designing astroworld to sell tickets and not for people to have a good and safe time. And while he definitely sold a lot of tickets, he will now have to live with this. This is definitely much worse than Kanye Taylor incident because Kanye could just douchbag his way back into spotlight. And Travis will need to address his issue some other way
@@id1550 its not his fault as a person. He's still a great person and musician. He didnt want people to die. But his brand is stained forever and it should be this way to prevent 100 or 1000 people from dying next time.
There are artists, like Varg Vikernes, who have literally dropped albums whilst in prison for murder. At that point, I think you can listen to whatever you want. For what it's worth, that was in Norway, which has the most consistently effective rehabilitation system in the world. Maybe more prisoners should be making music.
Tons of rappers have been in prison for varying degrees of crimes and it’s completely supported, people are arbitrary about their filter and that is ok. Listen to what you want
@@hazelschannel162 Varg is an awful person. Although Norway's justice system overall is excellent, and I think giving prisoners projects of their own helps to keep them out of drug problems and falling into gang violence in prison, and that's an important thing.
I work at a music venue and it’s the venue and performers responsibility to keep the show safe for the audience. They were clearly over capacity. Those young people who lost their life’s should not be in vein and stricter measures should be taken to protect future concert goers. When it comes to drugs - the security and venue can only do so much - the audience has to police themselves. After most shows we find a lot of drugs on the ground and people are mixing it with alcohol while being in the crowd with no breathing room. I’ve been to two Travis Scott shows - one at opera house in Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 and One at a music festival in Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 I had so much fun at both and never felt unsafe - I did wish I was taller or arrives a bit earlier to get a tiny bit closer. He’s a great performer. Hope he remedy’s with the families and supports them infinitely!
Ik a tiny bit of the blame should go on Travis but it was MAINLY LiveNation. But it makes sense to go after Trav instead. People love to go after a famous guy whom the fault doesn't even half go on him then a careless corporation who's fault it mainly is. It makes sense though, it's easier that way
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 this has never happened at any of Travis' pervious concerts. It happened this time because LN didn't hire better/more security and they ere simply just careless. Other concerts with moshpits have better security because the event holders do a better job at that. It's ridiculous that people expect Travis to somehow save all the people in the crowd and stop people from breaking in, it's 1 normal, human guy, who is trying to rap and perform. Crazy that people think that just because somebody is a millionare that they immediately become these mf superheroes with superhuman abilities to sense shit like this or whatever with nobody telling him or giving him signs. Corny
@@Kaz05 That's where your wrong, Travis was also responsible because he glorifies the idea of raging and moshpits etc... For example the man tweeted about it before the show encouraging people to raid security, he also raps about it in his songs, like the verse "It ain't no moshpit if they ain't no injuries". Don't forget when he encouraged fans to stage dive and one of his fans ended up par paralysed. There's also been many occasions when fans have injured themselves trying to bypass security or rage the concert and end up trampling on people. Sure it wasn't Travis's intention for 8 people to die and it was partly due to the lack of organisation by live nation but he was also responsible.
Leave Clifford alone man... actually i watched that show before I learned to speak English so I enjoyed the tune without knowing what the lyrics said, and now I still like it's great
I just think people should face some backlash for certain stuff they've done but at the end of the day folks gonna support who they want. I mean say you do go the separate artist from art route, you still supporting that person financially to keep up with they life style and personal life so idk how that's separating unless you just bootlegging they shit so idk. You honestly might as well say you dont care and the music too good be honest with yourself instead of making that excuse imo. Also there are levels for what a person does that would make you stop listening like R.Kelly I can't listen to him cause his personal life is directly connected to his music. People say well how are people still charting if they're canceled well there will always be a group of people that still supports somebody that's just the world.
It’s not that I want to stop listening to his music or that I never enjoyed it, it’s just that listening to it now feels kind of…odd? I’m not sure why, it’s just feels weird
@@TH3FU113ZT exactly. No matter who the headliner is, there's concert organizers that are there who should be directing and keeping the show in check, from respecting time slots to safety. It ain't the artists' job to jump into the crowd when shit is going Haywire, that's the security's job.
You can listen to whoever you want depending on how you feel, like despite what happened at astroworld, travis still makes great music that i’ll gladly listen to. That might not be the case for everyone but to each their own.
I’m about 12 seconds into this and I will say: Yes. Obviously I will listen to Travthony Scantano’s argument but I feel like he’ll ultimately agree with me. Edit: also listen to Michael Jackson and R Kelly
Deep cut for a favourite TV show theme: "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors". It's a proper 80s cartoon show, so there's definitely a nostalgia element, but the singer gives off a real strong Chris Cornell vibe.
I can’t really listen to Travis Scott anymore because the actual content of his music will remind me of AstroWorld as I’m listening to it. Maybe with time and seeing how he continues to respond, that’ll change, but lines like “it ain’t a mosh pit if there’s no injuries” genuinely gets me to just stop listening. Which is a real shame cause I do still love a lot of what he’s made.
``Let`s Argue``s Title are asbolutely the best, you get an interesting topic that comes right after the intro, fantano gets the click, nobody gets bothered and life goes on.
For some people seperating the art from the artist is harder than others. It doesn't make you responsible for their mistakes if you do consume their art.
I agree that Travis could have done better at the exact moment, but the fact that he is helping families and his new project that he is doing to help people is enough for me. I blame it more on the venue anyway.
@@deanmaddox6855 Im pretty sure he doesnt since he sacrifice his fans for more success, and not be held accountable for his actions, he just needs to hire security for his protection because if that was my child and he got away with it, me and my family would be at every concert he has locked and loaded or hire a professional, so the families of those victims is what he needs to worry about, tired of these celebs not being held accountable for their actions. If the system doesnt do anything, then its up to the public to bring justice to those families
I think this was a very good idea for content. Effectively advertising the type of content you have on your patreon without just insisting it's more of the same thing is an approach I wish other RUclipsrs would also employ
Even though I feel a bit uncomfortable listening to him I don't expect anyone else to completely abandon art that speaks to them for the sake of cancelling someone who did something shitty.
Although I don't think travis is a good person, I don't think he deserves anywhere near as much blame for astroworld as live nation. The fact is if we truly cared about the morality of the people/companies who create the entertainment or products we consume, we wouldn't be able to consume nearly as much as we do.
I’ve been listening even during the tragedy, I think ppl should separate the art from the person, I don’t respect Travis at anymore especially after that bogus apology, but Brody got bangers which is undeniable, it similar with Kanye, I listen to ye 24/7 but he be saying some outlandish things for no reason but the music is always amazing
@Maduxx Oney While you're right about the negligence part everybody seems to put more of the Blame on Travis than Live Nation when they have a history of shit happening at their concerts that they host.
I always separate the artist from the art nomatter who it is. I still watch Kevin spacey movies, I still listen to MJ, etc. I don't listen to Travis much but its not gonna be less just cause of the astroworld incident
What more do you want from him? He has multiple organizations that he owns helping the families of victims and helping his community (project-heal and cactusjack) he’s doing his best imo
I'm still upset about people's reactions to the whole Travis Scott thing. People want to act like they would react perfectly in that given situation. They've never performed in front of thousands of people (especially coming out of social isolation), having to make second to second decisions about something with that much pressure on you. I wish people were more understanding of that instead of jumping to the conclusion that he's a bad person. Maybe he didn't do enough, but when there are that many chemicals going on in your brain, adrenaline ect. You're not thinking clearly. Nobody knows what it's like unless they've experienced it.
Someone tried using Billie as an example. Travis had thousands of people raging and he had little to no control over it. Billie had one person in a crowd of relatively calm people. That one person needed water. The two aren't compatible in the slightest. The crowd (travis) literally seemed like a wave at most points, and when you get into that it's hard for people in the audience to stop. I do think he could've had a better response, but I don't entirely blame the events on him. If anything, I'd blame the audience more.
Of course it is and ALWAYS has been. Why wouldn't it be? Travis didn't intend for anyone to die nor did he cause people to die. Live Nation did and also security/police did with their lack of action to save people when they knew about the incident. If Travis was unaware of what was going on, why do people get mad at him for not stopping? Was he supposed to magically figure it out on a stage with loud music in his ears, bright lights flashing in his face and a crowd of 50,000+ Infront of him??? People really expect celebrities to be superhumans, it's crazy.
I like this take at 3:00. Nardwuar is an incredible figure and the stuff he does is charming, hilarious, and super entertaining. That said, if I was some celebrity and had no idea who he was, there's like a solid chance I'd assume he was some random prank channel type youtuber dressing goofy and acting weird on camera to get a reaction out of me so he can put it in the video. It's sometimes rare for normal interviewers to be sincere and not looking to get something from the artist, let alone someone who approaches the interview in such an off beat and goofy way. I think people being rude to him is just one of the consequences of the industry and not anything to do with Nardwuar himself, and I imagine he knows it too.
Ima 40 year old white man and I don’t listen to rap but Tom McDonald... oh wrong video. 😂😂 but in all seriousness I love how you really appreciate and break down videos on a full scope
People are debating this as if his music delivers a positive message, it’s just a desperate attempt to get his career back on track. People need to raise their standards and not accept everything that is given to them
I really don't think it's ever been wrong to listen to Travis. He did a bad thing, and he should be held accountable for it, but he's done his best to repair that.
Wait, so your reason for not talking about Bob Marley is bc his persona’s misunderstood? I’d argue that’s even more of a reason to talk about him and his work!
Also his reason is that he has no real opportunity to bring him up, but doesn’t mind doing so when he is relevant to the conversation (ex: literally this video)
I know I’m almost 2 weeks late on the video, but I really fucking like those big, round wire-frame glasses you rock. You’re also a super watchable man.
It’s always ok to listen to music. The whole idea of canceling someone completely for something they weren’t 100% responsible for is incredibly idiotic.
its always been okay to listen to travis scott's music, im still a fan of his even though i dont agree what he caused at the astroworld fest. it was never bad to still listen to him, if you like travis then listen to him all you want.
@@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer he didn’t know people were dying. People pass out all the time at concerts and he was trying to get people to move out the way so he could get moved to an ambulance
Bro give travis a break, just a guy at the end of the day that unfortunately got put in this nasty situation. It could've happened to anyone. I am in no way deriding and scorning the loss of loved ones and agree that it's a tragedy. But come on, people were breaking into the venue and pushing through security to watch this event (when the venue knew that they didn't have a secure enough amount of space for all those people, and of course, the spectators and fans suffer and travis gets scolded and blamed completely. It's disgusting and this is why I will still listen to Travis Scott because his music is fucking heat 🔥
Same thing happened to Carti before his show in Houston & what did Carti do? He canceled the show BEFORE it escalated. Travis promotes this energy so he deserves this type of energy.
Man people always gonna find someone to blame. It makes people feel good about themselves to find someone to throw a rock at which in this case is Travis. People don’t care that Travis doesn’t hold the whole blame, they will keep shitting on him because it feels good.
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It wasn't even Travis fault and I actually went to the concert and had to save some lives. I blame the fans that didn't listen and helped. I've called for help for a girl that passout next to me and all they did was record and turn the other cheek. If Travis was to blame how come the other artist didn't get the same results because people passed out through the entire event.
Not one single fan had the power to stop the show and settle everyone down. The only one who had that power was Travis. He was looking down at the whole crowd whilst it was happening. Had the same reaction about a girl passing out. Your logic is trash.
honestly, i understand it was an absolute tragedy with what happened at Astroworld, however it was always fine and will be fine to listen to Travis after the events. But people want to so-called "cancel" him, and i think its bs for the fact that people thought that we're banning him from existing as an artist
It’s completely okay - just as it’s okay to listen to Mark Kozolek or Morrissey; their art is indifferent to their real-life actions. Personally, however, I wouldn’t like to buy records/merch directly from Travis - as supporting him financially is a different story altogether.
If you have to ask someone else if it's alright to listen to certain music, then you have more things to worry about in life. I still listen. It's sad what's happened and I don't fully blame him. There's companies involved. Higher ups that had the job to sort shit out and they didn't. "Professionals". Regardless, I still enjoy me some Travis and I'm still looking forward to his music. I'm not gonna pretend to cry and protest when there's people dying in war who we never care about. Just like people pretend to care about Ukraine because it's popular now. What about everyone else dying right now? They don't matter to us. That's the truth. It's too far away. So yeah, I'm still enjoying Travis' music. Period.
Re: the titular topic I've been thinking recently about whether it's moral to buy albums and singles from artists who are horrible people or who have done gross things in the past. Whenever someone criticizes Spotify and Apple Music because they pay artists horribly, I think that's valid, but what if the artist is 6ix9ine, R. Kelly, Mindless Self Indulgence, etc.? Is piracy a better option in those cases, or should you still pay those artists fairly for their music? Also, my favorite overused comments are the wholesome yet absurd ones like, "Thank you for picking up my sister from softball practice yesterday, Anthony." Even when they're not funny, I do enjoy seeing them.
For me I think it's if the art being made portrays the actions they did I don't think it's possible to separate things. Like with mindless self indulgence the pedophilia is in the music. Also if they are alive and still acting shitty I don't want to support that, for example JKR consistently donates to anti-trans stuff, I don't want my money going there. If the music doesn't have anything like that in it I think it's fine. Like Cornelius doing horrible stuff to a disabled person when he was young is not present in the music. But that doesn't nessisarly mean you have to support the guy if you are disabled.
It's always OK to support art that speaks to you. No, listening to Travis Scott doesn't mean you support human trampling and listening to the Beatles doesn't mean you beat your wife
What if I don't support beating my wife but I support leaving a dog in a hot car?
Genius point but god damn the disrespect💀
Just because you listen to Led Zeppelin doesn’t mean you support sleeping with 14 year olds
It's ok to leave your dog in a hot car
Big difference between not caring and watching people die and domestic abuse
i love to imagine anthony at 4 years old talking about the clifford theme the exact same way to his mom
Hi everyone, Redthony Dogtano here, the preschool's busiest music nerd, and today were going to be taking a look at this new title sequence for Clifford the Big Red Dog. Now, I've been following the stuff PBS Kids has been putting out since my mother first sat me in front of one of their shows two years ago, and as I've said before in my past Show and Tell presentations on the channel, I think they have some bangers, but it's been a pretty mixed bag overall.
@@isaacthered 🤣🤣🤣
@@isaacthered you made my day bro 🤣
I just can't wait to hear his album!.
@@isaacthered feeling a light to decent 6 on this one.
Liking an artist’s music doesn’t mean you support their every action + Youngboy better + ratio + L + Being a youngboy fan isn't just a hobby, it's a lifestyle, a reason to breathe, an escape from this cruel world filled with thieves. It's the fine gift you open on Christmas, a hug from a loved one, everything you've ever wanted, everything you need.
Nah to me the music is not good but not bad at all but i don't listen to him i rather watch isokenny-mp5 but it's ur opinion
@@miezanxkenshin3473 unless it’s XXX or 69 - fantano himself puts down the idea of even listening to the music due to their actions. Even though I would argue neither one of those guys did anything that involved in multiple DEATHS
@Miezanxken Tf kinda artist name is that lmao, Sounds like a leaked song
My favorite misfits song is sung by Michale Graves, a literal honest to god white supremacist
Do I hate that I love Dig Up Her Bones as much as I do? Sure. But I can separate it from his nonsense.
R Kelly and Chris Brown are really the only ones where I am really hesitant to listen to, as hypocritical it may sound. I can’t listen to R Kelly thinking about whether or not his lyrics are talking about his victims/literal children, and Chris almost killed Rihanna.
@@DouglasCarter69 nothing that x even “did” is confirmed and there’s a leaked phone call on the internet between him and his ex where she’s worried about getting jail time for starting the false accusations. i’m not tryna like defend the dude if what happened is true but there’s hella evidence that he never physically abused her. i’m sure he said smth fucked up to her at some points but i don’t think he ever physically laid hands or her
I think Anthony being annoyed by the memes is pretty reasonable when you consider he’s been looking at them for years nonstop at this point.
And they are stale
@@bigmistqke Exactly. Once you have seen one, you've seen them all. Now everyone follows the formula to try and get free likes (even I have tried before lol)
Yeah I’ve been bored to death by them the past few years I can’t imagine how he feels lol
Thank god Fantano said it’s ok, I can finally listen to Travis again
I base my entire personality and music taste from fantano
@@UnKn0wNStR4ng3rr wait so then this mean u dont like AM? :(
There's a special place in Hell for those who treat nardwuar poorly
You should watch the Wu-Tang Clan interview, Method Man was the only one who actually answered the questions
There's a reason why sonic youth is largely dead.
@@owl509 RZA answered nicely too.
Personally, I could never get into his work. I get the appeal, but he's just so over the place and genuinely off-putting. I guess a lot of people aren't being rude or mean, they just feel awkwardly. I would feel this way if I was in front of him.
I agree
separating the art from the artist is tricky when the art is a direct reflection of the artist. short answer is yes, but if some ppl are put off by it due to the brand of "rage" and recklessness in Travis's music (which ended up killing people) I don't blame them at all.
of course, blame livenation more than Travis tbh. they're more responsible for it than anyone else.
People have to make that decision for themselves, and let everyone else do the same without bothering them for disagreeing.
Idk if Travis’ “brand of rage and recklessness” killed people as much as the poor event planning, lack of medical tents, and water stations did.
I’m not trying to say Travis doesn’t deserve a share of the blame (he definitely does) but the fact that people are boycotting Travis while also completely ignoring Live Nation’s extremely large role in the tragedy is sad.
yeah, agreed, I also don´t know, if there are definite lines that need to be drawn. When it comes to nazis, sex offenders etc. I often struggel with my morality. It is easier of course if it isn´t reflected in the music. Supporting them is off the table with such serious shit for me.
Everyone draws their own line imo, and the only person who gets to draw that line is them. I usually don’t like to monetarily support say, someone who has sexual abuse/rape allegations, but if I already bought the vinyl before that I’ll pop the album on. But again, that’s my line, it may be different for someone else.
travis directly saw what was going on (ambulance lights) and didn’t do anything because he was worried about messing up the “rage” atmosphere. going for that vibe the first place is the issue it’s just promoting dangerous horde mentalities / behavior just so people can jump up an down for an hour. travis music mostly gives me a bad taste now
Simple answer before watching: Yes
Complex answer after watching: Yes
my conclusión after debating about it for several hours: Yes
Nah to me I'm not hearing Travis Scott's music anymore but i respect y'all opinions
Yes, you can listen to anything you want even R Kelly
@@miezanxkenshin3473 Im sorry for your masochist desire to not experience something you enjoy for a useless, blind and actually not logical purpose
I think Hurley is a great album title / cover as a complete enigma. Probably better than understanding the reference. If I saw a Pixies album with a fat guy on the cover just called "Steven" I have to admit I'd be intrigued.
it's original. I'll give them that
Stephen!
The Guy from Hurley wanted to let you know that he appreciates the compliment!
@@thedogfromraditude5449 Good to know. Could you say hi for me to the creature from everything will be alright in the end?
I still think it’s one of the most hilarious album titles/covers. It’s meant to be lighthearted and fun. Granted I watched LOST when it came out so it has more context for me
Hey Anthony /srs I was having a really bad trip. It's late over here and I didn't want to wake my partner or housemates up. Seeing your video helped me get through the worst of it. Thx
I hope it's going well now!
im in your walls
im in your walls
Remember to reflect on it and no intense experience will go unvalued ❤️☮️🍄 I too have had some intense trips change after watching RUclips
It's 4 days later so I can do this now:
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE
Thank you for giving me permission to listen to the sicko mode man, I am eternally grateful
Imagine ur dad is Anthony Fantano and u watch a show with him then he gets up and turns on the camera and starts reviewing and roasting the intro song for its poorly constructed instrumentation
'Imagine Anthony Fantano is your dad' this is it, this is the new meme. A way to get the zoomers on-board.
I’ve been a patreon supporter for over a year because when you initially advertised the let’s argue episodes I pledged and then just forgot about it so now I have an epic backlog I can go back to
I like your take on Bob Marley. Same happens with Kurt Cobain and many punk or rap artists where every normie claims to be a fan but might have a worldview these artists tried to challenge.
Also BTBAM's Colors is indeed great!
Re - Travis Scott: There is no right answer. If you want to listen to Travis's music, that's fine, it does not make you a Travis apologist. If you can't, that's fine too, you are not a soft-skinned hater. Everyone has a different ability to ignore or forget what the artist did, a different capacity to not dwell on it.
I find I can separate art from artist in most cases, especially artists who were before my time, but sometimes it's just too heinous. I loved The Lostprophets, but I will never be able to enjoy the music I know I would and could enjoy, if only I wasn't constantly reminded of the utterly horrific things the lead singer engaged with. With kids. I'll leave it at that.
I read about it just now out of morbid curiosity and I need to take a shower wtf
If I heard something like that for the first time before hearing about the band I would most likely not listen to them myself in my opinion yikes
Honestly i have a hard time with this discussion because i don't believe Travis is responsible for this. His one job was stepping out on stage to perform, and maybe being a creative director for the festival. He wasn't in charge of ensuring people's safety during the performance. Paying close attention to the audience doesn't seem to be a given with him due to the whole raging thing. There's somebody behind the scenes that fucked up.
And an animal. Don’t forget that.
We are all inconsistent with separating art form artist when it’s people we like. If you like someone’s music partly cuz u think their character is good, u agree with their politics, great. If u don’t and u separate the two, great. Music is music.
@@draic890 100%, but that doesn’t mean his actions were acceptable either. But yea I never got why the brunt of the blame landed on him, just cuz people needed a fall guy to be mad at so the venue can continue making money? Idk
Coming up with fresh memes is difficult, Anthony.
He’s so uncaring and cold to us. We’re not just some meme factory melon😓
i’m so happy he mentioned that so ppl can finally be original
@@pddimez8485 good comment but you didnt have to include the addresses, names, and social security numbers of everyone that has ever sent a meme using that format
Memes used to last year's, now they last week's at best
if the comments are going to get a new running joke we should have something about Anthony's moustache. it's always there, always waiting, but sometimes it's shy and hides real well
it looks like he keeps trying it out and then can't commit. I can relate
already happened. there used to be a bunch of Pizza Hut jokes about his mustache
C’mon? Always there? It’s *BARELY* there
Please no please god no
8:13
I agree here. I see that joke in so many reviews and it's always liked so much that it often beats out legit opinions and great discussion-worthy comments. It gets super boring to see and I am only just scraping the vast melon content surface. I can only imagine how many more times I might see it.
Good take but you didnt have to take off 7 points on your rating just because he used the wrong they’re
@@Nick-eq5oo bro you’re literally just doing what Anthony said he finds unfunny. Idk why you think it’s funny it’s so old and overused
Liked and subscribed
The fact that the replies to this comment have done this exact thing and got tons of likes is so frustrating. Sometimes people just want to have a sincere discussion but everyone wants to be the same guy to do the 180 "twist" joke at the end. It's such a hivemind mentality and it ruins comment sections.
Yet I guarantee someone will reply to me and I'll get ratioed because I didn't follow the circlejerk and they did. Whatever, I just hope someone sees my point.
@@matthewchampion8214 Thought the read more was gonna reveal you were in on the jokes in this thread, but reading the rest of that just killed my vibe
@@Luke-on6of You must’ve been carrying a weak ass vibe then.
I really can’t disconnect the music from an artist because it’s like buying a carpet from a carpet seller who did what happened in Travis’ case.
And I think that’s the whole problem with consumption blindness.
People don’t care anymore where the stuff comes from they listen to, wear or eat.
I listened to Travis so much but now I hear his voice and I feel so weird letting him entertain me with his music when I’m actually so pissed about him behaving like a careless child on stage.
I really don’t understand how it’s possible to disconnect both things and support someone with views and streams when you don’t support the person. It benefits them. And a person having benefits after all of this is not right imo.
bad for you, still gonna bump him tho
I think it depends on how they react later, depending on the way an artist understands their actions, I think it’s fine to still listen to them
_"People don’t care anymore where the stuff comes from they listen to, wear or eat"_
I'd argue people care more now than ever before.
Stop being pretentious
As an artist myself I understand that there’s a separation between the artist and art. No one of my songs represents me as a person. I don’t even emotionally identify with some of my songs anymore, but other people do. The relationship with someone and a song is entirely contained by the listener. The artist has nothing to really do with it. When people say “is it ok to listen to __?” I always say yes, although it is sus af if someone mainly listens to NSBM or other forms of music with bigoted themes lol
Also an artist and I'd say that your experience is not universal, all of my art is deeply personal. I'd also say that for me the line gets iffy when the art does line up with the artist. Travis talking about raging and moshing in songs just is different now that people are dead. Jimmy urine of MSI making pedophilia jokes and using imagery of young women's underwear just is different now that he has been called out for being a pedophile.
That's not to say just don't make art about unsavory things, it's just nessisarly different if you also do that stuff. I also wouldn't want my art to inspire someone to do something awful.
At the end of the day the only thing that matters is how good the music is.
@@hazelschannel162 that's exactly my point, the experience is not universal. I would not judge you at all for choosing not to listen to certain artists for the reasons that you have. I also wouldn't judge other people for still listening to it. I'm not sure how common it is for art to "inspire someone to do something awful" these days. I'm sure most people throw on a Travis Scott song because the beat goes hard, and they don't think about it much beyond that. I wouldn't ruin those peoples' time who are doing nothing wrong by forcing my own moral compass on other people.
And don't get me wrong, my art is very personal. It's just that songs get old and people change over time. And no one of my songs represents my entire being.
all creations are a reflection of that person.
So you be steady bumpin some r kelly huh?
I never knew Kanye actually sang about sensing a picture of his private parts on Runaway. I just thought he sent a picture of his HEY.
😂😂😭😭😭 why do I get that
It's a case of seperating art from artist for me. I absolutely think it's understandable that certain people can't bring themselves to listen to his music given his response to the whole Astroworld thing, but I personally don't let a person's public persona get in the way of enjoying anything they've produced, because it doesn't automatically tarnish its quality for me. Same thing with all the allegations around Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly, writer on Astonishing X-Men, director of Avengers and Age of Ultron). I'm not going to just take back anything I've said about a piece of art/literature/film just because the person behind is a crappy person. That's ultimately on them
Agreed. Same thing with Harry Potter for me
@@AmmarAli1 I would say yes, but especially after how Crimes of Grindelwald and Cursed Child turned out I've basically checked out of being hardcore into Wizarding World. It's not even case of JK Rowling taking the stance she does on certain topics. Her writing has just degraded HEAVILY over the last few years on top of her trying to go back and retcon her own lore to make it seem like certain things were always planned which is stupid
Hogwarts Legacy looks fire though
@@icedcapplord710 Likewise, HL looks fire
that's so cool that you can do that dude! But streaming someone's work and supporting them financially is not just on them
@@GlitzPixie I wasn't saying that. I was saying that any person who decides to be a crappy d-bag is making that decision for themselves. It also doesn't mean I have to just stop admitting that I like said person's work. I totally get if others can't do that, but I've learned to not have a person's persona outside of their products color my judgement of said products. I can absolutely still not condone what said person has done though
For example, I think Kanye West makes really good music. I also think that Kanye West as a person is delusional and ego-centric as all hell, but I'm not going to just blacklist albums like 808s and Heartbreaks or MBDTF from my Spotify downloads because of that because it doesn't change my opinion on those albums overnight, especially since certain products were made before I was given new perspective on them as individuals outside their work
You can separate art from the artist or drop it completely. There is no right answer and no one is wrong to do either.
The right answer is yes
@Gonçalo Diniz people criticizing someone for a legitimately bad thing that they did is not people being “karens”.
@Gonçalo Diniz it's not Karen shit if people died
@Gonçalo Diniz L for those karen ass family of the victims on me rage on fellow lobotomite!
He did nothing wrong though.
Makes me really happy to hear you acknowledge Bob Marley in this way! Couldn't agree more.
Let's argue: The Emaj7 played in the guitar intro to this video is out of place with the 3 previous chords Fantano plays, being G, C, and A. The A sounds like it may be a secondary dominant leading to D but instead Fantano plays an Emaj7, creating a jarring transition that is not smoothed out with any chords after it that might establish why an Emaj7 makes harmonic sense in this context. And then, even worse, he loops it? Light 3. I appreciate the bold direction but I was expecting more.
And even worse, he loops it? Might be my new producer name
“No feel stop learning theory”
Anthony chose the most seductively respectful picture of Arca to post for that answer and I think that earns him big points.
I would never hate on someone for still listening to Travis Scott, but I hope others at least understand my discomfort with him and listening to his music at this point
We don't like Travis Scott but we respect people opinions on Travis scott
Exactly
"At this point" How long tho?
ok if u dont listen to him but dont call his music bad fam
I bet you buy concert tickets from live nation
4 minutes in and he already had to remind us of his views on MBDTF
Record labels, Hollywood, and the entertainment industry as a whole has bred this idea of pushing the individual, pushing the persona, or pushing a brand rather than focusing on the media itself that is produced by those said entities. Its lead to a culture of praising celebrities for their art rather than praising the art itself. This type of human commodification has soiled what it means to actually consume art. The fact of the matter is that streams are really just a collection of numbers, artists get paid in piss droplets for their streams from a streaming service, the value from the streams derives from influence. Look at how travis scott kickstarted his career, by using botted streams and a way to influence people into giving him a platform for his career. Once an artist loses credibility from perhaps an outside factor, then their streams aren't a justification for influence. I mean, R Kelly has 4.5 million monthly listeners on spotify but he can't do shit with these numbers, it's like the name "R Kelly" has become worthless like a fallen stock price. The whole idea of supporting artists by streaming their songs was pushed by Spotify in order to get people to buy their expensive service, the reality is that as an individual consumer, you practically have no power to do anything to support an artists career. This is why it was never NOT ok to listen to Travis Scott's music, or anyone else's for crying out loud. I understand if you personally are uncomfortable listening to someone's music after something that they have done, but don't abstain yourself due to an economic reason, you don't have the power to affect someone's pocket.
P.S. Although you don't have as much power as a consumer, it should be noted that abstaining from buying merch is the best way to not support an artist. The margins are very high for clothing, they make the most money off of clothes.
Anthony right about the stale jokes in his comment sections. Y'all gotta come up with something new cos I thought I was the only one noticing how the comments on nearly all of his videos follow the exact same pattern to the point where it's corny and redundant. In the words of a wise woman named Miss Juicy: "Can y'all come up with something else?"
"i really agree with this comment, it made a great point. disliked"
That piano riff from the Clifford theme comes into my head at the most randomist of moments. its a good riff
Hi, I’m name is Emily Elizabeth
I felt awful for astroworld victims, but cant really blame Travis for everything. Feel like he got caught up in his ambitions and started valuing money over fans, which led to him designing astroworld to sell tickets and not for people to have a good and safe time. And while he definitely sold a lot of tickets, he will now have to live with this. This is definitely much worse than Kanye Taylor incident because Kanye could just douchbag his way back into spotlight. And Travis will need to address his issue some other way
If he valued money over his fans, then how wouldn’t it be his fault?
I really don’t give a shit how this affected *him*. He can never sell another record again after this for all I care.
"can't really blame Travis for everything" proceeds to say why it's largely his fault
kanye taylor incident yall still remember something nearly a decade ago ?
@@id1550 its not his fault as a person. He's still a great person and musician. He didnt want people to die. But his brand is stained forever and it should be this way to prevent 100 or 1000 people from dying next time.
I’m glad you mentioned Colors in passing, but please, for the love of all that is holy, give it a classic review.
Amazing record I've seen that live show so many times
The thing about "separate the artist from the art" stuff is money, so I'm not doing (if is someone I used to vibe with)
Nice review Anthony but you didn't have to rant about "Nice review Anthony but you didn't have to" jokes for 10 minutes.
I heard that the next Death Grips album is taking so long because Anthony won't clear his sample
no...no baseline?
*where is my monthly baseline*
let's argue: malcolm in the middle and pete and pete own the top tier of tv theme bangers
I forgot about petted and Pete. That show was the best.
The Malcolm In The Middle theme song was written by They Might Be Giants, so of course it fucking slaps.
There are artists, like Varg Vikernes, who have literally dropped albums whilst in prison for murder. At that point, I think you can listen to whatever you want. For what it's worth, that was in Norway, which has the most consistently effective rehabilitation system in the world. Maybe more prisoners should be making music.
Yeah but at the same time Varg Vikernes is a Nazi and still goes on anti semitic rants on his RUclips channel
You make some intelligent points. THANK YOU 🙏 FOR THE COMMENT. 👏👏
Tons of rappers have been in prison for varying degrees of crimes and it’s completely supported, people are arbitrary about their filter and that is ok. Listen to what you want
varg is definitely not rehabilitated lol
@@hazelschannel162 Varg is an awful person. Although Norway's justice system overall is excellent, and I think giving prisoners projects of their own helps to keep them out of drug problems and falling into gang violence in prison, and that's an important thing.
I work at a music venue and it’s the venue and performers responsibility to keep the show safe for the audience. They were clearly over capacity.
Those young people who lost their life’s should not be in vein and stricter measures should be taken to protect future concert goers.
When it comes to drugs - the security and venue can only do so much - the audience has to police themselves. After most shows we find a lot of drugs on the ground and people are mixing it with alcohol while being in the crowd with no breathing room.
I’ve been to two Travis Scott shows - one at opera house in Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 and One at a music festival in Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
I had so much fun at both and never felt unsafe - I did wish I was taller or arrives a bit earlier to get a tiny bit closer. He’s a great performer. Hope he remedy’s with the families and supports them infinitely!
Ik a tiny bit of the blame should go on Travis but it was MAINLY LiveNation. But it makes sense to go after Trav instead. People love to go after a famous guy whom the fault doesn't even half go on him then a careless corporation who's fault it mainly is. It makes sense though, it's easier that way
Facts
Then why doesn’t it happen at other peoples concerts yet always at Travis Scott concerts
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 this has never happened at any of Travis' pervious concerts. It happened this time because LN didn't hire better/more security and they ere simply just careless. Other concerts with moshpits have better security because the event holders do a better job at that. It's ridiculous that people expect Travis to somehow save all the people in the crowd and stop people from breaking in, it's 1 normal, human guy, who is trying to rap and perform. Crazy that people think that just because somebody is a millionare that they immediately become these mf superheroes with superhuman abilities to sense shit like this or whatever with nobody telling him or giving him signs. Corny
@@Kaz05 That's where your wrong, Travis was also responsible because he glorifies the idea of raging and moshpits etc... For example the man tweeted about it before the show encouraging people to raid security, he also raps about it in his songs, like the verse "It ain't no moshpit if they ain't no injuries". Don't forget when he encouraged fans to stage dive and one of his fans ended up par paralysed. There's also been many occasions when fans have injured themselves trying to bypass security or rage the concert and end up trampling on people. Sure it wasn't Travis's intention for 8 people to die and it was partly due to the lack of organisation by live nation but he was also responsible.
@@ashleybellamy3354 alot of artist glorify moshpit culture and alot of people get hurt. Travis is just bigger so he attracts a bigger audience
Never stopped 💀💀💀
Leave Clifford alone man... actually i watched that show before I learned to speak English so I enjoyed the tune without knowing what the lyrics said, and now I still like it's great
No
Billie should work with Johnny Greenwood, idk what will come out of that, but I'm hyped already for something that's not gonna happen
I just think people should face some backlash for certain stuff they've done but at the end of the day folks gonna support who they want.
I mean say you do go the separate artist from art route, you still supporting that person financially to keep up with they life style and personal life so idk how that's separating unless you just bootlegging they shit so idk.
You honestly might as well say you dont care and the music too good be honest with yourself instead of making that excuse imo.
Also there are levels for what a person does that would make you stop listening like R.Kelly I can't listen to him cause his personal life is directly connected to his music.
People say well how are people still charting if they're canceled well there will always be a group of people that still supports somebody that's just the world.
I still jam to the “night court” theme song
It’s not that I want to stop listening to his music or that I never enjoyed it, it’s just that listening to it now feels kind of…odd? I’m not sure why, it’s just feels weird
For me it's his whole musical persona being this king of rage which (inevitably) led to this
My dream
@@oliverieee poor festival planning led to that situation
@@TH3FU113ZT exactly. No matter who the headliner is, there's concert organizers that are there who should be directing and keeping the show in check, from respecting time slots to safety. It ain't the artists' job to jump into the crowd when shit is going Haywire, that's the security's job.
thankfully that hasn't happened to me yet, but listening to mafia feels cursed
Imagine a billie eilish album produced by trent reznor damn
Trent Reznor is a fucking legend shout-out to Nine Inch Nails also it would make sense Billie Eilish is a big fan of rock
It’d make me want to actually listen to Billie
That would be fucking amazing, I would actually listen to a Billie Eilsh album.
Billie + Sophie would be Bananas! But yeah sadly she passed away... rip sophie.
You should up your game on tv show theme songs Anthony. So many you could pick, c’mon! Westworld, Succession, Sopranos, True Detective, Dark, etc.
You can listen to whoever you want depending on how you feel, like despite what happened at astroworld, travis still makes great music that i’ll gladly listen to. That might not be the case for everyone but to each their own.
I’m about 12 seconds into this and I will say: Yes. Obviously I will listen to Travthony Scantano’s argument but I feel like he’ll ultimately agree with me.
Edit: also listen to Michael Jackson and R Kelly
Deep cut for a favourite TV show theme: "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors". It's a proper 80s cartoon show, so there's definitely a nostalgia element, but the singer gives off a real strong Chris Cornell vibe.
Maybe you won’t remember but why exactly were the warriors “wheeled?”
I can’t really listen to Travis Scott anymore because the actual content of his music will remind me of AstroWorld as I’m listening to it. Maybe with time and seeing how he continues to respond, that’ll change, but lines like “it ain’t a mosh pit if there’s no injuries” genuinely gets me to just stop listening. Which is a real shame cause I do still love a lot of what he’s made.
well said. plenty other better rappers anyways.
@@jaimeviejo8379 i do like his melodic style though, not a lot of rappers can produce
were you there?
``Let`s Argue``s Title are asbolutely the best, you get an interesting topic that comes right after the intro, fantano gets the click, nobody gets bothered and life goes on.
I love Weeds theme song Little Boxes and how they used multiple artists version of it.
How could you forget the theme for M.A.S.H. ?
For some people seperating the art from the artist is harder than others. It doesn't make you responsible for their mistakes if you do consume their art.
I agree that Travis could have done better at the exact moment, but the fact that he is helping families and his new project that he is doing to help people is enough for me. I blame it more on the venue anyway.
Sadly it’s easier for people to blame Travis then Live Nation.
He is Not helping families..
He is just trying to save his career
@@alishatate7940 he doesnt need to worry about his career
@@deanmaddox6855 Im pretty sure he doesnt since he sacrifice his fans for more success, and not be held accountable for his actions, he just needs to hire security for his protection because if that was my child and he got away with it, me and my family would be at every concert he has locked and loaded or hire a professional, so the families of those victims is what he needs to worry about, tired of these celebs not being held accountable for their actions. If the system doesnt do anything, then its up to the public to bring justice to those families
I think this was a very good idea for content. Effectively advertising the type of content you have on your patreon without just insisting it's more of the same thing is an approach I wish other RUclipsrs would also employ
I'll always put Can't Say on at a party shit goes hard
Even though I feel a bit uncomfortable listening to him I don't expect anyone else to completely abandon art that speaks to them for the sake of cancelling someone who did something shitty.
Cringe
@D Rack imagine what your favorite street rapper used to do
Thats the gayest thing ive ever heard "I feel a bit uncomfortable listening to him" like dude what just listen to his music or not thats so weird
What’s uncomfortable about it?
U weirddd af
Although I don't think travis is a good person, I don't think he deserves anywhere near as much blame for astroworld as live nation. The fact is if we truly cared about the morality of the people/companies who create the entertainment or products we consume, we wouldn't be able to consume nearly as much as we do.
I’ve been listening even during the tragedy, I think ppl should separate the art from the person, I don’t respect Travis at anymore especially after that bogus apology, but Brody got bangers which is undeniable, it similar with Kanye, I listen to ye 24/7 but he be saying some outlandish things for no reason but the music is always amazing
Travis did nothing wrong and the art shouldn’t even need to be separated.
@@adameddington4019 Frfr, these soft weirdos i be seeing lack any sort of common knowledge
@Maduxx Oney While you're right about the negligence part everybody seems to put more of the Blame on Travis than Live Nation when they have a history of shit happening at their concerts that they host.
@@z_rxo and? thats worse for Travis to work with them.
all art is representative of its artist.
Jazz with the matching headstock! Ahh! in lake placid blue? AHH!
I always separate the artist from the art nomatter who it is. I still watch Kevin spacey movies, I still listen to MJ, etc. I don't listen to Travis much but its not gonna be less just cause of the astroworld incident
art is reprentative of it's artist.
He's still not doing enough.
It'll be enough when delayed utopia drops
What more do you want from him? He has multiple organizations that he owns helping the families of victims and helping his community (project-heal and cactusjack) he’s doing his best imo
@@jchahda2270 These orgs were set up so he can launder his image and go back to touring ASAP.
@@KassAdya you’re a joke if you think that. Project-heal is an incredible thing Travis is doing to help, if you can’t see that then you’re lost.
I love how Anthony is calling out the dumb commenters with the same joke over and over
I'm still upset about people's reactions to the whole Travis Scott thing. People want to act like they would react perfectly in that given situation. They've never performed in front of thousands of people (especially coming out of social isolation), having to make second to second decisions about something with that much pressure on you. I wish people were more understanding of that instead of jumping to the conclusion that he's a bad person. Maybe he didn't do enough, but when there are that many chemicals going on in your brain, adrenaline ect. You're not thinking clearly. Nobody knows what it's like unless they've experienced it.
Someone tried using Billie as an example. Travis had thousands of people raging and he had little to no control over it. Billie had one person in a crowd of relatively calm people. That one person needed water. The two aren't compatible in the slightest. The crowd (travis) literally seemed like a wave at most points, and when you get into that it's hard for people in the audience to stop. I do think he could've had a better response, but I don't entirely blame the events on him. If anything, I'd blame the audience more.
Of course it is and ALWAYS has been. Why wouldn't it be? Travis didn't intend for anyone to die nor did he cause people to die. Live Nation did and also security/police did with their lack of action to save people when they knew about the incident. If Travis was unaware of what was going on, why do people get mad at him for not stopping? Was he supposed to magically figure it out on a stage with loud music in his ears, bright lights flashing in his face and a crowd of 50,000+ Infront of him??? People really expect celebrities to be superhumans, it's crazy.
A similar incident happened with a “the who” concert in the 70s and there wasn’t any boycotts
Honestly I have been dealing with this issue recently because he features in so many fn songs
Help us o wise one.
same
trust me u listen to songs with rappers on them who themselves have gripped a firearm and killed someone with it.
bojack is the s-tier definition of theme song
Nice Let's Argue Anthony but you didn't have to spend 13 minutes shitting in the overused joke you're currently reading.
It is so crazy that you say the Clifford song bcuz I always hated it and you just resurfaced that gem of a memory
Thanks for putting the topic that’s in the title early in the video. I appreciate that
Separate the music from the man. Travis's music is still fucking fire.
The metal community has had this discussion many times. Everyone says "it's just about the riffs" until they realize they listen to Inquisition.
Agreed Rodeo Is A Fuckin Classic
all creation is a reflection of its creator.
8:13 totally agree, those jokes have been lame as fuck for YEARS now, yet people continue to pile on these lazy jokes
hey fantano, hope you’ve been doing well in life.
death grips are mid
as a death grips fan, we know. 👍
facts
your birth was mid
I like this take at 3:00. Nardwuar is an incredible figure and the stuff he does is charming, hilarious, and super entertaining. That said, if I was some celebrity and had no idea who he was, there's like a solid chance I'd assume he was some random prank channel type youtuber dressing goofy and acting weird on camera to get a reaction out of me so he can put it in the video. It's sometimes rare for normal interviewers to be sincere and not looking to get something from the artist, let alone someone who approaches the interview in such an off beat and goofy way. I think people being rude to him is just one of the consequences of the industry and not anything to do with Nardwuar himself, and I imagine he knows it too.
Ima 40 year old white man and I don’t listen to rap but Tom McDonald... oh wrong video. 😂😂 but in all seriousness I love how you really appreciate and break down videos on a full scope
People are debating this as if his music delivers a positive message, it’s just a desperate attempt to get his career back on track. People need to raise their standards and not accept everything that is given to them
Oh shut up you holier than thou loser
@@yeslol9303 I sure am 😑 DF?
I really don't think it's ever been wrong to listen to Travis. He did a bad thing, and he should be held accountable for it, but he's done his best to repair that.
His ‚best‘ to repair it? Come on..
@@OhBianka at least there’s something
@@OhBianka I’m also 100% sure you’ve never even heard of a single chord from one of his songs
@@slaire7799 hm, interesting of you to think that. don‘t assume.
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Wait, so your reason for not talking about Bob Marley is bc his persona’s misunderstood? I’d argue that’s even more of a reason to talk about him and his work!
Also his reason is that he has no real opportunity to bring him up, but doesn’t mind doing so when he is relevant to the conversation (ex: literally this video)
I dont like him cuz he was a thug who forced stations to play his music and raped his wife.
Nardwaur > 99.9% of the Earth’s population
I know I’m almost 2 weeks late on the video, but I really fucking like those big, round wire-frame glasses you rock. You’re also a super watchable man.
It’s always ok to listen to music. The whole idea of canceling someone completely for something they weren’t 100% responsible for is incredibly idiotic.
He did have a lot of responsibility in it though. However I do agree with your other points
I do think paying R Kelly’s legal fees by streaming his music might not be Ok
@@abdeljones8132 right, but r kelly was completely responsible for that.
I think even bearing some of the responsibilities for so many people dying is an unforgivable thing. Travis should have 100% lost his career.
its always been okay to listen to travis scott's music, im still a fan of his even though i dont agree what he caused at the astroworld fest. it was never bad to still listen to him, if you like travis then listen to him all you want.
he wasn’t aware of what was happening at the concert it’s not his fault
Nah that's fucking wrong. Some fans are braindead. Listen to him if you want but anyone saying he did nothing wrong is a braindead fan.
@@frmafr he literally helped lift someone onto the stage and sang them put, watched dead people get pulled on the stage and sang during it.
@@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer he didn’t know people were dying. People pass out all the time at concerts and he was trying to get people to move out the way so he could get moved to an ambulance
Bro give travis a break, just a guy at the end of the day that unfortunately got put in this nasty situation. It could've happened to anyone. I am in no way deriding and scorning the loss of loved ones and agree that it's a tragedy. But come on, people were breaking into the venue and pushing through security to watch this event (when the venue knew that they didn't have a secure enough amount of space for all those people, and of course, the spectators and fans suffer and travis gets scolded and blamed completely. It's disgusting and this is why I will still listen to Travis Scott because his music is fucking heat 🔥
Same thing happened to Carti before his show in Houston & what did Carti do? He canceled the show BEFORE it escalated. Travis promotes this energy so he deserves this type of energy.
Man people always gonna find someone to blame. It makes people feel good about themselves to find someone to throw a rock at which in this case is Travis. People don’t care that Travis doesn’t hold the whole blame, they will keep shitting on him because it feels good.
never stopped
Fender Vintera Jazzmaster in Ice Blue Metallic. Very classy, Anthony
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It wasn't even Travis fault and I actually went to the concert and had to save some lives. I blame the fans that didn't listen and helped. I've called for help for a girl that passout next to me and all they did was record and turn the other cheek. If Travis was to blame how come the other artist didn't get the same results because people passed out through the entire event.
Not one single fan had the power to stop the show and settle everyone down. The only one who had that power was Travis. He was looking down at the whole crowd whilst it was happening. Had the same reaction about a girl passing out. Your logic is trash.
@@lami2909 lol I can guarantee you this person is lying about being at the concert, it must be a crazy stan 😜🤣🤣
made an entire compilation just to get the word out he hates our memes
They are trash.
It always been okay, how this a question
It’s a question of whether to follow the person or the music
Someone passed out a concert I was at last night, plain as day, the band did not stop playing, everything went fine.
Doesn't compare to the Astro world tragedy
that's still not good, homie.
@@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer I prefer to live in a fun world
@@erkandevensCOOKBOOK what about watching people pass out or die is fun? Sicko.
@@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer sicko mode
honestly, i understand it was an absolute tragedy with what happened at Astroworld, however it was always fine and will be fine to listen to Travis after the events. But people want to so-called "cancel" him, and i think its bs for the fact that people thought that we're banning him from existing as an artist
It’s completely okay - just as it’s okay to listen to Mark Kozolek or Morrissey; their art is indifferent to their real-life actions. Personally, however, I wouldn’t like to buy records/merch directly from Travis - as supporting him financially is a different story altogether.
Nice Let's Argue Fantano, but you didn't have to destroy the career of every RUclips commenter by dissing this meme format
If you have to ask someone else if it's alright to listen to certain music, then you have more things to worry about in life. I still listen. It's sad what's happened and I don't fully blame him. There's companies involved. Higher ups that had the job to sort shit out and they didn't. "Professionals". Regardless, I still enjoy me some Travis and I'm still looking forward to his music. I'm not gonna pretend to cry and protest when there's people dying in war who we never care about. Just like people pretend to care about Ukraine because it's popular now. What about everyone else dying right now? They don't matter to us. That's the truth. It's too far away. So yeah, I'm still enjoying Travis' music. Period.
Re: the titular topic
I've been thinking recently about whether it's moral to buy albums and singles from artists who are horrible people or who have done gross things in the past. Whenever someone criticizes Spotify and Apple Music because they pay artists horribly, I think that's valid, but what if the artist is 6ix9ine, R. Kelly, Mindless Self Indulgence, etc.? Is piracy a better option in those cases, or should you still pay those artists fairly for their music?
Also, my favorite overused comments are the wholesome yet absurd ones like, "Thank you for picking up my sister from softball practice yesterday, Anthony." Even when they're not funny, I do enjoy seeing them.
For me I think it's if the art being made portrays the actions they did I don't think it's possible to separate things. Like with mindless self indulgence the pedophilia is in the music. Also if they are alive and still acting shitty I don't want to support that, for example JKR consistently donates to anti-trans stuff, I don't want my money going there.
If the music doesn't have anything like that in it I think it's fine. Like Cornelius doing horrible stuff to a disabled person when he was young is not present in the music. But that doesn't nessisarly mean you have to support the guy if you are disabled.