Uhh, Lamar stated his views, on police brutality, with that line in the song quote "I do not believe that the police have any qualms with the African American community." Ugh please, I don't like it.
@@its_elkku135 Do you have a source where Kendrick said this? I can't find one. Also it's pretty hard to believe that he can say that after making a song like Alright, where he speaks up about police brutality. If you can provide a source for me to see this that would be really appreciated.
But he’s against exploitation yet Adidas and other companies like Adidas exploit Asian children for more profit than they would paying grown American men, like New Balance does.
@@robertomcgee5372 ever heard of ethical consumption under capitalism? it doesn’t exist. you cant accurately judge someone’s values by what companies they buy from considering all of them participate in some type of workers right violations and/or environmental destruction.
special thanks to Anthony or whoever edited this for having the last question be about compression and not have the ending song be bass boosted to hell, blowing out my hearing. Respect
@@Dartrook By what measure? I mean if the most reliable modern method of quantifying "bigness" is streaming then they aren't beating numbers for the usual suspects like Queen and AC/DC.
@@bimblor7945 Maybe for a band on a currently active touring/album cycle, although in my opinion that's still irrelevant on making them exclusively the biggest rock band - but that's probably on account of the widely popular bands I listen to generally being geriatric or dead lol.
@@squatchjosh1131 Yeah, I've tried to justify the argument to see if it holds up from a different angle and you have to keep excluding large swaths of the genre. Like, you have to eliminate bands that are too indie/obscure to make the large-print section of a festival lineup, exclude abrasive "mainstream" rock like Bring Me the Horizon (but also bands like Vampire Weekend and Tame Impala for not rocking hard enough), scrap "inactive" bands like AC/DC, but also bands like Green Day and the Offspring for clumsily chasing former glory... and the last record Arctic Monkeys really makes the cut themselves was "AM". Which is eight years old. And putting aside this is an incredibly selective cross-section, and _even still,_ there's the Strokes, the 1975, the Black Keys... Yeah, it's a bad take. The take is bad.
kanye is actually mozart but he turned black due to time travel radiation or whatever the fuck yeah i have no clue what i was on when writing this please look the other way
As I've seen with conservatives in my own life, if you do something new and transgressive in art, conservatives call it "trash" and "not real art." This is definitely not a hard rule, but in my experience, conservatives have fixed ideas of what qualifies as good or real art. And what's ironic is that they revere the classics so highly even though many of those classics were groundbreaking and highly subversive for the time. I don't think it's fair to suggest conservatives can't make good art, or even that they can't innovate. They can and have. However, it's a bit weird to suggest that the conservative ecosystem will be the source of the next big new art movement. I can't think of a time when that has ever been the case.
As someone who really dislikes judging people based off their politics I’d happen to agree. But isn’t that the point? Like isn’t the actual definition of conservative not wanting change etc?
Fantano’s Twitter audience is so… weird. The only way I can make it through this video is by assuming that these questions were purposefully provocative and terrible and that no one actually believes any of this.
About your point on conservatives, the next big art movement is almost certainly not going to come from the right, not because conservatives can't make good art, but because when they do, they basically never do it as a movement. Whenever conservatives do make good art, it is typically an individual artist who just happens to be conservative, and they don't seem to want or care if other conservatives follow them. And if people do follow them, it's usually not a wave of other conservatives, it's just a mix of people from all political perspectives. So yeah, conservatives can make good art, but they never seem to create art movements.
I think the word 'movement' will be a misnomer given that these hard and fast categorisation occur either through art crtitics or by fans making it easier to find similar content for them. With the right, i mean the economic right, they rarely ever see themselves in a balance of individual-community (that can exist in the left too, mostly the academic left) which makes them lose their touch to a general and larger working class or atleast middle income group demographic. Their lack of balance in their individuality repells any form of community driven exercise in art or culture.
Moreover, when a conservative artist makes music that is actually pushing boundaries or the likes (plenty have mentioned Frank Zappa, Igor Stravinsky, Nico, Luigi Russolo, etc.), it's more often that the conservative *audience* will be the first to dismiss it or be actively opposed to it, rather than embrace it. Like, I'd say there's a few scenes out there whose founders can often be very conservative and reactionary, such a neofolk, black metal, martial industrial, futurism et al, but this is hardly the music (or art) that ever seems to translate to the wider conservative culture, and either remains in a radical niche or is actually consumed a lot more by people that may be on the exact opposite end of the political spectrum.
that dude dave rubin is just feeding into the divide and conquer idea but we also have to take into consideration that there are conservative rappers that have been taken down from spotify nd youtube for no reason. It’s all a show where we are all being led into our own little niches then suddenly, nobody will be relating to each other when it comes to their music taste. Save this comment nd in the next 20 years you will see
Tell that to Aaron Lewis, Kid Rock, Epic Clapton, Van Morrison, Tom McDonald, Dax, Ted Nugent, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Metallica, Hank Williams Jr., Toby Keith, Kanye West, and god knows however many other right-wing musicians had made explicitly political music with the intention of influencing or commenting on contemporary political movements, and appealing to a conservative audience.
@@Hyzian there is no ADD, it's just ADHD. There's no "combined type" or "types" of ADHD either, it's just ADHD. The hyperactivity can manifest internally or externally. Just letting you know :)
Yeah wtf? People don’t literally hear the song playing over and over again in their head when it’s too catchy or they listen to it too much? Is this some rare mental thing I have?
Bruh idk what you have to snort to ever think of Kendrick as a conservative, but I fuckin' want it. (Of course I'm talking about the tweet, not Anthony)
How is he not conservative tho? Conservative of social values being the meaning here. Almost all of Kendrick’s music is trying to instill positive social values in his audience (he even scorns the government and financial irresponsibility, two main pillars of traditional conservatism). Conservative=/=racist Fox News talking heads, that’s being Republican. You can be a conservative Democrat too (Joe Biden and Hillary). Kendrick doesn’t even mention LGBTQ stuff so he’s hardly coming out with some crazy liberal shit ever.
@@fellbeast3040 Lol. Biden and Hillary are not conservatives. Manchin is a conservative. Hillary and Biden are solidly in the center of the Dems. Biden is arguably a progressive, though not as left as present-day progressives.
Also, if Kanye is still a Republican, he's probably the least conservative one there is. And other republicans/ especially the far right in America fucking hate him
@@fellbeast3040 I dont know many conservatives that would vibe to "I put a bullet in the back of the back of the head of the police" on a song that is about loving yourself lmao. Even regular, non far right conservatives are generally comfortable with the law and see the police as just people doing their job. Also him including the bit in mortal man where 2 pac says "the poor will literally eat the rich, they will be so fat and appetizing" this is not a collaboration, this is something he decided to include. Might not be his own idea of the world but he at least respects it enough to include it in the closer. Kendrick is a christian who lives by and sings about christian values, that doesn't automatically make you a person that defends the status quo, social or economical status quo (if you allow me to define conservatism like that).
Lol that drum and bass question, Venetian Snares collab with Hecate album was in the back “Nymphomatriarch” that album was made out of sex noises between both artists and was turned into a pretty weird yet gnarly experience. Very sick, Fantano!
5:06 generally true but there are exceptions. most members of the italian futurist art movement in the early 1900s were incredibly fascist but they managed to make some pretty damn banging art and architecture in the brief period the movement was a thing
Yeah but fascism isn’t a conservative ideology, it rejects traditionalism and conservatism, Mussolini’s whole thing was a rejection of that and the creation of the nominative “third way” so for the time they wouldn’t have been the conservative side.
@@bobajob13 Exactly he told Italians to stop eating pasta and switch to rice. If that ain't bucking against tradition I don't know what is. Neither far right nor far left extremism can be classified as "conservative" or "liberal"
Gotta say something about that music from the right comment- while a lot of rappers do preach social consciousness they also have been anti gay in their lyrics in the past, pro Capitalism, pro guns lol. I don't think those rappers are Republicans, rather that that is entrenched in American culture, which is going to lean right in a right country
To anyone not understanding the point being made at 2:00 Shawty like a melody in my head that I can’t keep out, got me singing like nananana everyday….. I hope you understand the struggle now
There’s websites that do the identical things the stem player do, and for free. It could be argued it’s revolutionary because of how it easy it made it for the average Joe but it’s nothing too insane, especially for $200, not even counting resale price
the loudness war is basically over at this point, since the most populair music medium nowadays use algorithms to determine the loudness of each track and balance the volume automatically. that's why you see that more dynamic mixes have become more of a trend.
I disagree that the volume wars are over. I think you mean the *peak* loudness of each track will be adjusted to 0db. Which is correct but the loudness wars are more on the volume compression on the track. (Level difference of weakest and loudest parts of the track) You can see the volume waveforms of modern and vintage records have similar peaks or maximum volumes, but the lowest volume and the highest volume of modern tracks (especially edm/electronic) are ALOT more squished.
stem player is revolutionary in how accessible it is and how easy it is to start playing around , if you master it you can do a lot of actual crazy stuff
I get what the catchy songs tweet was saying - The Rock's new song is so painfully lodged in my subconscious, and it's unfair because it's a shit song but because of its catchy-ness I'm forced to eternally chant "ITS ABOUT DRIVE ITS ABOUT POWER" Everytime I do any menial task 😭
The response about the conservative response to the melon shows exactly how dumb conservatives are about art. That dude didn’t even know what he meant by.conservative
I really love these LET'S ARGUE episodes! The way you pull them off in such a conviction yet being very thoughtful and respectul to the quoestioner, is just a treat to watch. Many youtubers (and politicans etc. etc.) could and should take some pointers. Anthony, my beloved music nerd in stripes
Literally lmao. Every example they named is pretty far left besides maybe Kanye. Even then Kanye has always been very vocal about the prejudice and systemic racism in America so the fact that conservatives use him to fit their narrative is so ridiculous lmao
@@wxsteria3451 yeah, maybe you should go back and listen to FEAR again, and blacker the berry. he has very conflicting politics of course, but there is a christian conservative bent to alot of it, especially more recently. ronald reagan era and all that makes more sense to be viewed from an afroamerican-rights angle and not left-right axis
I think I can understand the "catchy" comment. It's not that you want boring music, in fact catchy is usually boring because it is fairly predictable, hence why it gets stuck in your head. I would say technical or experimental or just plain different-sounding is much more interesting and keeps you wanting to come back to analyze deeper. If something is stuck in your head after one listen, chances are you've already analyzed most of what the song has to offer. Of course, these are all generalizations and there exist songs that can somehow break the system, being both extremely complex and extremely catchy. (Just as a random example, I think a good number of Beatles or Beach Boys songs could fall into this category.)
I generally agree that the right doesn't really create great art movements, but, looking back a bit, Stravinsky and Wagner were definitely on the right. Notably not conservative though, they were both reactionary. And, one has to hand it to them, great musical innovators. But it's true, I'd say in modern times great art movements haven't come from the right and will not in the future.
What the fuck dude? Was he talking about 1700-1800 artists? Nobody cares what Wagner's political beliefs are or were. Both those fuckers transcended time with their timeless releases. But also how may big artists were around in 1700. NOT THAT MANY!
Wagner wasn't really that right wing as the reputation he has. He was in fact, for most of his life, a socialist agitator, to the extent he was kicked out of Dresden by participating in a radical democratic insurrection in 1849. He would basically spend his life very depressed about his numerous debts and the failed promises of the radical/left causes he supported (and in general this was when the cause of German nationalism moved from a hobby horse of liberals, democrats and socialists to one co opted by Prussian politicians) which led to a pretty poisonous anti semitism and a general move to the centre (the anti semitism was also contributed to by his association with the anarchist Bakunin, also a massive anti semite). Still you can see his radical beliefs in, say, the Ring Cycle, which has often been interpreted as an indictment of capitalism by people like George Bernard Shaw and Theodor Adorno (and you don't have to stretch to see where they're coming from) The big elephant on the room was Nazism, and Hitler's love of Wagner. This is more on the general failure of German nationalism to live up the radical values its initial partisans believed were inherent. Wagner himself, his repulsive views on anti Semitism aside, always seemed to consider himself on the revolutionary vanguard both politically and aesthetically (indeed, the Nazi attempt to ossify culture and discourage "degenerate art" ignore that Wagner was always pushing against the conservative sentiments of the day in terms of music).
On the censorship bit, I’d beg to differ. While, yeah, a girl in a thong on an American band’s album art might pass as “approvable” to specific audiences nowadays, where it would have sparked outrage in the past (thinking 70’s more than 60’s), there’s definitely a more sensitive “filter” over streaming material that is hoping to reach an international audience due to different censorship laws across international lines. In that sense, (in the USA anyway,) it seems that the actual stuff being created has a lot less censorship rules on it out the gate, but the things we see everyday in public are more carefully screened. To look at in another way, lots of content on the cover of Japanese records that was acceptable by Japan’s censorship standards in the past have become taboo, almost to a hilarious extent to my American eyes. There are Japanese album covers I’ve seen from the 70’s and 80’s that would make the RUclips algorithm have an aneurysm. 😵💫 USA rules might be different, but Japan has definitely gotten more strict about what’s allowed to be mass-marketed, not less. Edit: except for foreign-language lyrics on loudspeakers! There is an office supply store the city where I live that blasts uncensored top-40 and metal with f-bombs and n-words galore. 🤦♂️ Living in Japan is…interesting.
The argument that conservatives will create the next wave of music is honestly just someone who doesn't understand what a conservative is. The term is in reference to social and fiscal conservatives. If they mean strictly fiscally conservative people who are socially progressive, that's still a liberal, and specifically a libertarian. Social conservatives will never create a new wave of art because by definition to be socially conservative is to stay with the known and established and push back against the new and unprecedented. So to imply that a group who is in the minority, clinging to the known and the past, and has traditionally all throughout history followed this trend, will lead a revolution is just not possible. The moment a group of social conservatives make a new form of art and make a social movement around it, they are by definition no longer socially conservative
IF a great art movement comes, it WILL be the libretarians, because as much as Anthony likes to ignore it, and contradict himself over it, there is an issue with left wing puritan, pearl clutching and censorship these days, that a lot of Liberals are getting tired of. There will be a response, just like to the Satanic Panic... but it will probably look more like early Tyler the Creator/OF 'rebellion'
Yup. My parents were part of such a conservative musical movement in the 70s and 80s when they became evangelical Christians. It mainly involved destroying their rock-n-roll albums. Ultimately that’s what a conservative art movement amounts to - a book burning.
Had never heard of Pissgrave. Googled them. First image was an album cover featuring a half dissolved corpse in a bathtub. You win this round, Fantano.
Only time Kendrick Lamar has ever sat Conservative is during the DAMN. rollout when he was spewing Respectability Politics bullshit, which was immensely disappointing off the heels of TPAB
Anthony, you might want to look at Futurism. Origin of cubism and vorticism. The founding fathers of Futurism were fascists, as in, actually co wrote the Fascist Manifesto with our dude Mussolini
7:10 *Insert WMWTSO by Mac Miller* I immediately thought about this cover during this segment of the LET'S ARGUE. Personally, I love this album cover on its own & how, in this context, it plays on both sides of the argument being made by both OP & Anthony. Obviously you couldn't show what was under, BUT you obviously know what's there. Such a fun way to utilize the PA stamp in my opinion. RIP Mac Miller
Ah yes, Kendrick Lamar. My favorite conservative rapper
Had to do a double take when I read that shit tweet
Uhh, Lamar stated his views, on police brutality, with that line in the song quote "I do not believe that the police have any qualms with the African American community."
Ugh please, I don't like it.
@@its_elkku135 have you even listened to a single kendrick song? i and alright come first to mind where he talks about how racist the police are
@@its_elkku135 Do you have a source where Kendrick said this? I can't find one. Also it's pretty hard to believe that he can say that after making a song like Alright, where he speaks up about police brutality. If you can provide a source for me to see this that would be really appreciated.
@@jedtayag8034 How did you miss the DNA. lyrics reference they're doing?
honestly anthony, you've been looking a lot cuter in these recent videos 😍
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Thicc boi lookin like a sticc boi
Hi tuv i love your true crime content
nah fr tho
Facts
Ahh yes, famous political conservative, kendrick lamar
Gotta love how Fantano starts the video with the tweet in the title
very rare for a youtuber to do that shit.
When he first started this series, he didn’t do that. But he quickly started to. 👍
I thought he started with a bass groove?
that is legit a great thing
@@Awchshonear The only next channel I have in mind that does this is that wholesome internet video compilation channel. I forgot the name.
I love how Anthony isn't afraid to show everyone he's an Adidas fan.
I fw adidas
Nigga your account is 8 years old and you ain't got no subscriber not even a single one
Here let me be your first subscriber
He has 5 subscribers now
But he’s against exploitation yet Adidas and other companies like Adidas exploit Asian children for more profit than they would paying grown American men, like New Balance does.
@@robertomcgee5372 ever heard of ethical consumption under capitalism? it doesn’t exist. you cant accurately judge someone’s values by what companies they buy from considering all of them participate in some type of workers right violations and/or environmental destruction.
“The stem player is cool, I think it’s a great little dealy”
-Stem Player Review by Stemthony Playertano 2021
🤦🏼♂️
3/10
I'm feeling a light to decent 6 on this one
kanye invented the piano actually
didn't he also invent the entirety of horn instruments as well?
@@certainpeople159 is mayonnaise an instrument
You mean the pianye.
he actually just invented the one key for Runaway but it was a good start imo
@@bernadettebread kanye invented the note “E”
special thanks to Anthony or whoever edited this for having the last question be about compression and not have the ending song be bass boosted to hell, blowing out my hearing.
Respect
I dunno, I love two weeks of extra loud ringing in my ears than the usual ringing in my ears.
who is that song by?
"The poor people is gonna open up this whole world and swallow up the
rich people"
Mortal Man by conservative rapper Kendrick Lamar
"this dick ain't free"
"The less hair you have on your head, the better music you make"
Fantano's bass intro certifies this
Kendrick is bald
That is why J.cole has long hair
Not worried about hair products, shampoo or nothing, just 100 percent focused on the music
🤦🏼♂️
didnt even mention the bald goat JPEGMAFIA
How did a tweet about Arctic Monkeys end up being the stupidest of a bunch that included "Conservatives will create the next big art movement?"
They are the biggest rock band though
@@Dartrook By what measure? I mean if the most reliable modern method of quantifying "bigness" is streaming then they aren't beating numbers for the usual suspects like Queen and AC/DC.
@@squatchjosh1131 I think that meant active bands.
@@bimblor7945 Maybe for a band on a currently active touring/album cycle, although in my opinion that's still irrelevant on making them exclusively the biggest rock band - but that's probably on account of the widely popular bands I listen to generally being geriatric or dead lol.
@@squatchjosh1131 Yeah, I've tried to justify the argument to see if it holds up from a different angle and you have to keep excluding large swaths of the genre. Like, you have to eliminate bands that are too indie/obscure to make the large-print section of a festival lineup, exclude abrasive "mainstream" rock like Bring Me the Horizon (but also bands like Vampire Weekend and Tame Impala for not rocking hard enough), scrap "inactive" bands like AC/DC, but also bands like Green Day and the Offspring for clumsily chasing former glory... and the last record Arctic Monkeys really makes the cut themselves was "AM". Which is eight years old. And putting aside this is an incredibly selective cross-section, and _even still,_ there's the Strokes, the 1975, the Black Keys...
Yeah, it's a bad take. The take is bad.
kanye is actually mozart but he turned black due to time travel radiation or whatever the fuck
yeah i have no clue what i was on when writing this please look the other way
🤦🏼♂️
I heard he tripped into toxic sludge portal
I……….. agree…
That explains the Austrian accent and deafness.
@@dogmosatchmo Niether Mozart or Kanye are deaf. What are you talking about?
As I've seen with conservatives in my own life, if you do something new and transgressive in art, conservatives call it "trash" and "not real art." This is definitely not a hard rule, but in my experience, conservatives have fixed ideas of what qualifies as good or real art. And what's ironic is that they revere the classics so highly even though many of those classics were groundbreaking and highly subversive for the time.
I don't think it's fair to suggest conservatives can't make good art, or even that they can't innovate. They can and have. However, it's a bit weird to suggest that the conservative ecosystem will be the source of the next big new art movement. I can't think of a time when that has ever been the case.
good opinion
You went out of your way to write 2 paragraphs shitting on conservatives. Good job
@@ThePhreakass that’s not what he said at all lol
@@ThePhreakass if you really think thats long then you cant read
As someone who really dislikes judging people based off their politics I’d happen to agree. But isn’t that the point? Like isn’t the actual definition of conservative not wanting change etc?
Look ma, I made it! Thank you Fantano for immortalizing my terrible take forever. Audio snakes for everyone
Oh look it's your comment being recommended to me with only 9 likes
@@qrillionaire you’re welcome
Where’d you go man :(
Last time I saw you, you were singing about some Trains......wait what's that?
no no NO NO--
I be forgetting this guy studies music and could literally teach a class
He did give an hour long talk at a university several years back. I guess you could consider that a class
Fantano’s Twitter audience is so… weird. The only way I can make it through this video is by assuming that these questions were purposefully provocative and terrible and that no one actually believes any of this.
Implying his comments here on RUclips aren’t complete mayhem lmao
Twitter audience in general are weirdos
yeah thats exactly what my question was lol
it's twitter, must always assume the worst
it's twitter bro they all fuckin weird
WAIT... technically MBDTF has a positive reception now that the dislikes are gone.
exept for melon, since he is now the only one who can see the ratio
They're not gone yet stupid
@@HipHopfan_ check the other devices stupid, my phone, laptop, ipad already has the dislikes disabled
@@HipHopfan_ well i can't see them anymore :/
About your point on conservatives, the next big art movement is almost certainly not going to come from the right, not because conservatives can't make good art, but because when they do, they basically never do it as a movement. Whenever conservatives do make good art, it is typically an individual artist who just happens to be conservative, and they don't seem to want or care if other conservatives follow them. And if people do follow them, it's usually not a wave of other conservatives, it's just a mix of people from all political perspectives.
So yeah, conservatives can make good art, but they never seem to create art movements.
I think the word 'movement' will be a misnomer given that these hard and fast categorisation occur either through art crtitics or by fans making it easier to find similar content for them. With the right, i mean the economic right, they rarely ever see themselves in a balance of individual-community (that can exist in the left too, mostly the academic left) which makes them lose their touch to a general and larger working class or atleast middle income group demographic. Their lack of balance in their individuality repells any form of community driven exercise in art or culture.
Moreover, when a conservative artist makes music that is actually pushing boundaries or the likes (plenty have mentioned Frank Zappa, Igor Stravinsky, Nico, Luigi Russolo, etc.), it's more often that the conservative *audience* will be the first to dismiss it or be actively opposed to it, rather than embrace it. Like, I'd say there's a few scenes out there whose founders can often be very conservative and reactionary, such a neofolk, black metal, martial industrial, futurism et al, but this is hardly the music (or art) that ever seems to translate to the wider conservative culture, and either remains in a radical niche or is actually consumed a lot more by people that may be on the exact opposite end of the political spectrum.
that dude dave rubin is just feeding into the divide and conquer idea but we also have to take into consideration that there are conservative rappers that have been taken down from spotify nd youtube for no reason. It’s all a show where we are all being led into our own little niches then suddenly, nobody will be relating to each other when it comes to their music taste. Save this comment nd in the next 20 years you will see
Tell that to Aaron Lewis, Kid Rock, Epic Clapton, Van Morrison, Tom McDonald, Dax, Ted Nugent, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Metallica, Hank Williams Jr., Toby Keith, Kanye West, and god knows however many other right-wing musicians had made explicitly political music with the intention of influencing or commenting on contemporary political movements, and appealing to a conservative audience.
thank you anthony, I have ADHD and let's argue is the best content for me because there's only 1 minute on 1 topic
that's actually a good point I never thought about. maybe that's why I like these so much :^)
Therapy? They also have meds for that too.
@@Hyzian there is no ADD, it's just ADHD. There's no "combined type" or "types" of ADHD either, it's just ADHD. The hyperactivity can manifest internally or externally. Just letting you know :)
@@thetreeofclues Forget it, I'm uncomfortable with the amount of personal info I've said.
3:42 fun fact: The Image in the background is the album cover to Nymphomatriarch, a drum and bass album made entirely out of sex sounds
Big up My Donnie Aaron and Hecate
2:18 “i don’t literally hear the song over and over in my head” MUST BE NICE ANTHONY
Yeah wtf? People don’t literally hear the song playing over and over again in their head when it’s too catchy or they listen to it too much? Is this some rare mental thing I have?
Seriously I go to sleep looping music in my head and wake up with the same/different song.
Bruh idk what you have to snort to ever think of Kendrick as a conservative, but I fuckin' want it. (Of course I'm talking about the tweet, not Anthony)
How is he not conservative tho? Conservative of social values being the meaning here. Almost all of Kendrick’s music is trying to instill positive social values in his audience (he even scorns the government and financial irresponsibility, two main pillars of traditional conservatism). Conservative=/=racist Fox News talking heads, that’s being Republican. You can be a conservative Democrat too (Joe Biden and Hillary). Kendrick doesn’t even mention LGBTQ stuff so he’s hardly coming out with some crazy liberal shit ever.
@@fellbeast3040 The guy who made To Pimp a Butterfly is not conservative
@@fellbeast3040 Lol. Biden and Hillary are not conservatives. Manchin is a conservative. Hillary and Biden are solidly in the center of the Dems. Biden is arguably a progressive, though not as left as present-day progressives.
Also, if Kanye is still a Republican, he's probably the least conservative one there is. And other republicans/ especially the far right in America fucking hate him
@@fellbeast3040 I dont know many conservatives that would vibe to "I put a bullet in the back of the back of the head of the police" on a song that is about loving yourself lmao. Even regular, non far right conservatives are generally comfortable with the law and see the police as just people doing their job.
Also him including the bit in mortal man where 2 pac says "the poor will literally eat the rich, they will be so fat and appetizing" this is not a collaboration, this is something he decided to include. Might not be his own idea of the world but he at least respects it enough to include it in the closer.
Kendrick is a christian who lives by and sings about christian values, that doesn't automatically make you a person that defends the status quo, social or economical status quo (if you allow me to define conservatism like that).
Lol that drum and bass question, Venetian Snares collab with Hecate album was in the back “Nymphomatriarch” that album was made out of sex noises between both artists and was turned into a pretty weird yet gnarly experience. Very sick, Fantano!
Oh yes, Kendrick Lamar, the guy who made an album sampling Fox News ragging on him, noted conservative.
I love Kanye, but not as much as Kanye loves Kanye.
I miss the old Kanye
@@nuttellaguy6315 straight from the ‘Go Kanye
@@Fred72355 Chop up the soul Kanye
@@nuttellaguy6315 is a reference to one of his songs lol
@@chuyito7095 set on his goals Kanye
Kendrick a conservative😂😂😂😂
An overpriced sample player that looks like a Google home device. 100% hype.
5:06 generally true but there are exceptions. most members of the italian futurist art movement in the early 1900s were incredibly fascist but they managed to make some pretty damn banging art and architecture in the brief period the movement was a thing
You mean the fascist revolutionary movement?🧐
Yeah but fascism isn’t a conservative ideology, it rejects traditionalism and conservatism, Mussolini’s whole thing was a rejection of that and the creation of the nominative “third way” so for the time they wouldn’t have been the conservative side.
@@bobajob13 Exactly he told Italians to stop eating pasta and switch to rice. If that ain't bucking against tradition I don't know what is. Neither far right nor far left extremism can be classified as "conservative" or "liberal"
ratio
@@bobajob13 ratio
"Arctic monkeys is almost the only rock band"
there's like, thousands
No shit
I think, what the original post meant to say was, that they were the last rock band to deeply connect with an audience of significant size.
There’s like at least more than 34
@@ursula3438 that isn’t even true
Gotta say something about that music from the right comment- while a lot of rappers do preach social consciousness they also have been anti gay in their lyrics in the past, pro Capitalism, pro guns lol. I don't think those rappers are Republicans, rather that that is entrenched in American culture, which is going to lean right in a right country
Big up to Melon for showcasing Everything at The End of Time.
I want a review so badly
@@somewhatrepresentable5207 SAME
he has mentioned The Caretaker countless of times in his videos
@@dinglemccringleberry6258 yes but he's never said he's listened to the entire thing in order at the same time which Is very necessary
Now that youtube has basically gotten rid of dislikes, how will I know what albums to pester the melon about?
Dislike still affects your personal algo. So unless you're looking for music you hate I think you'll be okay.
To anyone not understanding the point being made at 2:00
Shawty like a melody in my head that I can’t keep out, got me singing like nananana everyday…..
I hope you understand the struggle now
bro The Caretaker at 2:35 was your darkest joke in a while lmao
I smiled
Kanye also invented the instrument that he played when he preformed Runaway at the 2010 VMAs! what a genius! 🙏🤯
Your profile pic makes it more hilarious
@@whyareyouusinglightmode2098 i've been thinking about changing my profile pic but the duck face is too iconic lmao
the dude that said the stem palyer is an instrument never saw a mixer in his life LMAO
Just imagine no love deep web artwork coming out in the 60s lol
imagine the audio coming out along with it
There’s websites that do the identical things the stem player do, and for free. It could be argued it’s revolutionary because of how it easy it made it for the average Joe but it’s nothing too insane, especially for $200, not even counting resale price
link it then
When it came out it reminded me of the sampler pocket operator
the loudness war is basically over at this point, since the most populair music medium nowadays use algorithms to determine the loudness of each track and balance the volume automatically. that's why you see that more dynamic mixes have become more of a trend.
You are on some drugs my guy. If your being sarcastic you are doing it wrong.
@@EricHamm *you're
@@EricHamm they're literally right. Spotify comes with the option of regulating the volume already activated. take the L man
@@EricHamm he is correct
I disagree that the volume wars are over. I think you mean the *peak* loudness of each track will be adjusted to 0db. Which is correct but the loudness wars are more on the volume compression on the track. (Level difference of weakest and loudest parts of the track)
You can see the volume waveforms of modern and vintage records have similar peaks or maximum volumes, but the lowest volume and the highest volume of modern tracks (especially edm/electronic) are ALOT more squished.
stem player is revolutionary in how accessible it is and how easy it is to start playing around , if you master it you can do a lot of actual crazy stuff
what kinda crazy stuff?
examples of crazy stuff being
Commenting to know the crazy stuff 🤔🌄
Crazy shit
"Accesible" The thing costs $200 USD
Bruh
I get what the catchy songs tweet was saying - The Rock's new song is so painfully lodged in my subconscious, and it's unfair because it's a shit song but because of its catchy-ness I'm forced to eternally chant "ITS ABOUT DRIVE ITS ABOUT POWER" Everytime I do any menial task 😭
I mean, if it’s so lodged in your brain, there must be some level on which you do like it.
The response about the conservative response to the melon shows exactly how dumb conservatives are about art. That dude didn’t even know what he meant by.conservative
Lmao conservative rapper Kendrick Lamar
Choosing Velvet Rope over Thriller is one of the spiciest but acceptable takes I've ever heard.
Led Zeppelin have Like 5 albums better than Thriller and thats just objectivity
@@gavatundejr4986 now you trippin
@@gavatundejr4986 stop
@@gavatundejr4986i'd say, like, three at most (and that is merely subjective taste speaking)
These have been some of the worst let's argue takes people have given. Love it.
I confused rick rubin for karl marx for a sec
If the stem player is a new instrument I have to be able to play greensleeves on it while my parents argue in the living room
I really love these LET'S ARGUE episodes! The way you pull them off in such a conviction yet being very thoughtful and respectul to the quoestioner, is just a treat to watch. Many youtubers (and politicans etc. etc.) could and should take some pointers. Anthony, my beloved music nerd in stripes
Concerning the topic of cencored cover arts only one work came to mind, from the Beatles. Craziest shit ever ;D
3:55 is the most obvious example of conservatives misinterpreting art to fit their own reality
Literally lmao. Every example they named is pretty far left besides maybe Kanye. Even then Kanye has always been very vocal about the prejudice and systemic racism in America so the fact that conservatives use him to fit their narrative is so ridiculous lmao
They do that with everything. Lol
kendrick is christian conservative and shockingly ambivalent on police brutality. read him deeper
@@xx-xk9uz have you heard ANY OF HIS MUSIC LMFAO
@@wxsteria3451 yeah, maybe you should go back and listen to FEAR again, and blacker the berry. he has very conflicting politics of course, but there is a christian conservative bent to alot of it, especially more recently. ronald reagan era and all that makes more sense to be viewed from an afroamerican-rights angle and not left-right axis
Ive asked around the Rock Tribunal and Arctic Monkeys are indeed the only rock band in the world
Yeah who are the foo fighters he is talking about here? Must be dreaming on his own imaginary band.
I think I can understand the "catchy" comment. It's not that you want boring music, in fact catchy is usually boring because it is fairly predictable, hence why it gets stuck in your head. I would say technical or experimental or just plain different-sounding is much more interesting and keeps you wanting to come back to analyze deeper. If something is stuck in your head after one listen, chances are you've already analyzed most of what the song has to offer. Of course, these are all generalizations and there exist songs that can somehow break the system, being both extremely complex and extremely catchy. (Just as a random example, I think a good number of Beatles or Beach Boys songs could fall into this category.)
Very well put, I was thinking of a way to say this but you nailed it.
Can you do a King Crimson tier list next pls
I generally agree that the right doesn't really create great art movements, but, looking back a bit, Stravinsky and Wagner were definitely on the right. Notably not conservative though, they were both reactionary. And, one has to hand it to them, great musical innovators. But it's true, I'd say in modern times great art movements haven't come from the right and will not in the future.
What the fuck dude? Was he talking about 1700-1800 artists? Nobody cares what Wagner's political beliefs are or were. Both those fuckers transcended time with their timeless releases. But also how may big artists were around in 1700. NOT THAT MANY!
Wagner wasn't really that right wing as the reputation he has. He was in fact, for most of his life, a socialist agitator, to the extent he was kicked out of Dresden by participating in a radical democratic insurrection in 1849. He would basically spend his life very depressed about his numerous debts and the failed promises of the radical/left causes he supported (and in general this was when the cause of German nationalism moved from a hobby horse of liberals, democrats and socialists to one co opted by Prussian politicians) which led to a pretty poisonous anti semitism and a general move to the centre (the anti semitism was also contributed to by his association with the anarchist Bakunin, also a massive anti semite). Still you can see his radical beliefs in, say, the Ring Cycle, which has often been interpreted as an indictment of capitalism by people like George Bernard Shaw and Theodor Adorno (and you don't have to stretch to see where they're coming from)
The big elephant on the room was Nazism, and Hitler's love of Wagner. This is more on the general failure of German nationalism to live up the radical values its initial partisans believed were inherent. Wagner himself, his repulsive views on anti Semitism aside, always seemed to consider himself on the revolutionary vanguard both politically and aesthetically (indeed, the Nazi attempt to ossify culture and discourage "degenerate art" ignore that Wagner was always pushing against the conservative sentiments of the day in terms of music).
Fashy punk sounds great, too! A lil bit of joy division.
@@EricHamm what about Frank Zappa?
But how many conservative rappers from 1800? Checkmate dude
3:54 - I wish this answer was the whole video it's perfect
On the censorship bit, I’d beg to differ. While, yeah, a girl in a thong on an American band’s album art might pass as “approvable” to specific audiences nowadays, where it would have sparked outrage in the past (thinking 70’s more than 60’s), there’s definitely a more sensitive “filter” over streaming material that is hoping to reach an international audience due to different censorship laws across international lines. In that sense, (in the USA anyway,) it seems that the actual stuff being created has a lot less censorship rules on it out the gate, but the things we see everyday in public are more carefully screened.
To look at in another way, lots of content on the cover of Japanese records that was acceptable by Japan’s censorship standards in the past have become taboo, almost to a hilarious extent to my American eyes. There are Japanese album covers I’ve seen from the 70’s and 80’s that would make the RUclips algorithm have an aneurysm. 😵💫
USA rules might be different, but Japan has definitely gotten more strict about what’s allowed to be mass-marketed, not less.
Edit: except for foreign-language lyrics on loudspeakers! There is an office supply store the city where I live that blasts uncensored top-40 and metal with f-bombs and n-words galore. 🤦♂️
Living in Japan is…interesting.
I agree he kinda just brushed I over thus (probably bc as a leftie he can’t really deny it).
I’m happy the bass intro is back
this is the shit i watch when i'm looking to roll a joint
3:50 liquid dnb is very good
Playboi carti invented the ability for our ears to perceive sound waves
🚫🧢
I constantly have A Wilhelm Scream Mute Print album playing in my head. Too damn catchy.
The argument that conservatives will create the next wave of music is honestly just someone who doesn't understand what a conservative is. The term is in reference to social and fiscal conservatives. If they mean strictly fiscally conservative people who are socially progressive, that's still a liberal, and specifically a libertarian. Social conservatives will never create a new wave of art because by definition to be socially conservative is to stay with the known and established and push back against the new and unprecedented.
So to imply that a group who is in the minority, clinging to the known and the past, and has traditionally all throughout history followed this trend, will lead a revolution is just not possible. The moment a group of social conservatives make a new form of art and make a social movement around it, they are by definition no longer socially conservative
Ayo this man Marc spitting
Too long didn't read
@@abinashmurmu9471 TL;DR Conservative by its definition today means this dude's opinion about conservative art is wrong
IF a great art movement comes, it WILL be the libretarians, because as much as Anthony likes to ignore it, and contradict himself over it, there is an issue with left wing puritan, pearl clutching and censorship these days, that a lot of Liberals are getting tired of. There will be a response, just like to the Satanic Panic... but it will probably look more like early Tyler the Creator/OF 'rebellion'
Yup. My parents were part of such a conservative musical movement in the 70s and 80s when they became evangelical Christians. It mainly involved destroying their rock-n-roll albums. Ultimately that’s what a conservative art movement amounts to - a book burning.
2:34 ah yes thank you for the PTSD I will now proceed to have existential dread for another week
Anthony, did your mother ever tell you that you look like the perfect librarian?
When the catchy song question showed up, I instantly thought of Happy.
Abolish catchy songs.
The theme for this episode is the dumbest questions and hot takes ever
“a neat little dealie”
Kanye west is an instrument
I agree
Sick pfp 😎
Theres a difference when a part is catchy after 1 listen and when it gets stuck in your head after extended repetition (typically the drop or chorus)
damn that lick in the beginning is sweet!! Fantano stays practicing!
yes
I could never forget everywhere at the end of time
Kanye invented life itself
Are you sad no one using on the new remakes because HM’s don’t need an in party Pokémon?
Dear fantano, you can hold the button and the volume plus button to enable the filesystem mode and it works as a USB stick
Let's argue: I think I make good music, check out journey to mars by lil ghetti if you want
"But also Moby... MOBY" - I chuckled xD
I met the guys that made the stem player, they’re pretty cool but naive about how the price point undermines the key principle
Had never heard of Pissgrave. Googled them. First image was an album cover featuring a half dissolved corpse in a bathtub. You win this round, Fantano.
You guys really missed the line in DAMN where Kdot came out in support of corporate tax cuts smh
Justin Bieber's Yummy is in my head and I can't get it out
Music theory is thrown out the window when everybody sounds the same
The same as Fuck
Artic monkeys one had me shouting at my phone at 5am
Let’s argue
Kanye is the best thing since they put a pocket on a shirt
No argument jus facts 😂 idk who else could make the music he did and still be number one after all these years
The beginning of the intro was lit
wow I can't believe Anthony just invented music with that lick at the beginning
🤦🏼♂️
So this is a Kanye's channel featuring Anthony Fantano
Only time Kendrick Lamar has ever sat Conservative is during the DAMN. rollout when he was spewing Respectability Politics bullshit, which was immensely disappointing off the heels of TPAB
that bass intro was the best in years
Anthony, you might want to look at Futurism. Origin of cubism and vorticism. The founding fathers of Futurism were fascists, as in, actually co wrote the Fascist Manifesto with our dude Mussolini
not a song that's forgettable but when a song is too catchy it literally loops through my head for hours and it gets annoying
Would like the record to show that anthony almost always begins with the thumbnail in his videos- none of that clickbait here
shouts out to the venetian snares collab album only sampling him fucking that’s in the background at 3:52
Yeezus Created us All *Including Melons* Anthony
Ahh, the Everywhere at the End of Time reference. Truly ironic how I wish I could forget ever listening to that nightmare.
Underrated comment
let’s argue: carti should’ve done the chorus on hurricane
hell no
2:05 "Why you gotta be so ruuude? Don't ya know I'm human toooo?" I'm sorry, have fun with that in your head for the next 3 months
This has been, hands down, the Let's Argue edition with more trash takes ever.
Yo fantano what was that outro music, it was fucking awesome
looking through the comments for the same reason
Let's Argue: Eminem, Logic, Macklemore, El-P, and Aesop Rock should form a rap supergroup called "The Niggaz"
Some album covers definitely wouldn't come out today eg. Scorpians virgin killer and blind faith self titled
Babe, get up, new LET'S ARGUE episode
anthony is part of the tracksuit mafia
7:10
*Insert WMWTSO by Mac Miller*
I immediately thought about this cover during this segment of the LET'S ARGUE. Personally, I love this album cover on its own & how, in this context, it plays on both sides of the argument being made by both OP & Anthony. Obviously you couldn't show what was under, BUT you obviously know what's there. Such a fun way to utilize the PA stamp in my opinion.
RIP Mac Miller