New Ruger SFAR - Better and More Affordable POF?
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The new Ruger SFAR is an interesting AR10. The SFAR is a short frame autoloading rifle that's based on the AR10 but has a number of impressive changes. The Ruger SFAR is extremely affordable compared to competitive products but few have the same features.
#Ruger #SFAR #AR10
Mine's been solid to date. Thanks.
How many rounds do you have through it?
When will you drop your own review
I've got 250 or so through mine. Only malfunction was when I was messing with gas settings. The last 75 rounds have been suppressed. Accuracy is around 1.5 MOA with most hunting loads I've tried, but that's 3 shot groups. A few loads were under 1" at 100yds. I haven't tried any match loads as I just intend to use it for hunting.
Happy New Year, Bro!
I was doing cleaning and disassembling of mine and I noticed when I was cleaning barrel I looked inside of it with flash light and seen a slit on top of barrel midway is it because of the gas block or do I have a defective barrel I only put 100 rounds through it so far I would appreciate the help fellas or if yours have the same
its amazing that they were able to shrink the AR10 action like that. I guess its a testament to modern metallurgy, engineering and manufacturing. Very cool.
Yes it is. This rifle is a spin-off of the POF Revolution but that's not a bad thing. Many of the comments are about how these things won't be reliable or durable because the bolt is the same size as a 5.56 bolt. It's pretty safe to assume that metallurgy has advanced a great deal in 60 years. Almost all the bolt failures people read about are when they milled out a mil-spec bolt for something like a 6.5 Grendel.
@@stevenlewis6781 I’m interested to see if there’s any lawsuits to come. POF has some pretty clear cut patents and at least 2. I don’t know how Ruger can say they got around thrm
@@rsxr22 it doesn’t matter. All they have to do is change one little thing, and they are not copying.
So, I bought a POF Revolution in 2018. Could not get through a 20 round mag w/o FTF. Two trips to POF (they're local) and they still could not get it to run. Accuracy was so so. So, I sold it for a huge loss. I've read enough people having similar issues to stay away from them.
In contrast, my SFAR runs right out of the box both supressed and unsupressed. I'm generally not a Ruger fan but I do not regret getting the SFAR especially since they come with an adjustable gas block and 2 stage trigger.
Ive never really had an interest in an AR-10 until seeing the reviews on the SFAR. Its a GREAT looking rifle, and seems to shoot lights out. Great review!
Just bought a Ruger SFAR. Absolutely LOVE IT! Wishing everyone a happy and prosperous New Year filled with freedom and justice. Jess
tell us you support gun control without telling us..
Lucky I can't find one in my area.
@@volkskrieg8735none of ya business but one yourself
Don’t forget to mention you can throw any ar-15 barrel nut and rail that you want. I changed mine out. They killed it with this rifle. I have one, it is freakin awesome. Really hope they drop a 6.5 creedmoor upper for it or one in 6.5 creedmoor.
That is definitely a huge plus. I can’t stand the looks of the POF rail.
I want a 8.6 Blackout barrel personally.
Yup just got done ripping off another 200 rounds yesterday and have no shoulder fatigue simply an amazing rifle by ruger
The trigger in this is rugers 452 elite. It’s a 4.5 pound 2 stage and for the money is pretty damn impressive. Usually seem to be under 4.5 total which is cool.
I purchased the 20 inch barrel model. Great weight for a 308 thumper. The holes in the bolt carrier group really does a great job eliminating gas. For a great price you can get a nice 308. Join the 308 Nation and prepare for the coming tribulations.
I'm still in the 6.5 federation, but you're alright
Definitely want to see GII comparison. Particularly interested to know if Ruger is sacrificing durability for added weight savings.
its a GII copy. you can tell by the mag release. TFB did a review on this and its not very accurate. will pass.
I second that! Review away
Yep, i would also like to see the comparison, also like to see caliber conversion availability. Most of my AR10s arent in 308.
@@joshuaewart6201 It's not a GII copy. This is an AR-15 chambered in .308 Win, while the GII is midway between a large frame AR-10 and an AR-15.
There is another channel that adjusted the gas down and added a heavy buffer to keep it from beating itself up. Still ejected at 3:30 - 4 o'clock.
I’ve had the 16” version since they became available. I’ve added a Radian ambi-safety selector, Radian Raptor ambi-charging handle, TriggerTech Diamond single stage flat trigger, and Atibal XP8 1-8x24 LPVO…The gun consistently shoots sub-MOA 5 shot groups with 150gr Norma soft point ammo from a Led Sled…It has been a pleasure to deer hunt with this season. It’s by far my favorite semi-auto hunting rifle that I’ve owned…My next upgrades will be to add an H2 buffer and SilencerCo Omega 36M suppressor.
+1 recommendation for the TriggerTech Diamond. Love that I can adjust the pull weight on mine with a hex key
@@Hawtload Love it. I just bought a second one.
I would like to see a comparison to the DPMS G2. I have the recon model. I ditched the heavy factory rail for a Midwest Ind. and turned down the thick barrel to .750". Those 2 mods took off 1.5 lbs. It weighs around 7 lbs. shoots sub MOA with 4 types of factory ammo. Only problem is it's not reliable with a suppressor. Bugs me since it they came with ACC suppressor adapters. BTW fun fact, it worked perfect with a RDIAS.
I would bet that its the same gun.
My guess is that Ruger got it when the bought parts of Remington/freedom group
I run my dimpled barrel G2 Recon with an adjustable gas block and works great with SF 7.62 SOCOM can. I also swapped for the MI hand guard and added LaRue MBT-2S trigger.
I had a G2 with a mid length gas system. It had the gas port too close to the chamber. With an adjustable gas block, every setting but "off" beat the heck out of the gun. It bent and broke brass.
This looks to be carbine length, so it'll be junk.
@@spraynpray first couple settings on mine don’t even cycle the gun. Looks like you had the wrong adj gas block.
Shoulda got the Ruger. SFAR has a CHF barrel, plus you get the Ruger brand name which is one of the best there is.
Given Tim's record with new guns, if his SFAR didn't break down and runs perfectly, you know yours will run well.
😂
He didn't run much testing ammo through it. Let's see how holds up long term.
@@Enjoyer.762 It's a joke.
@@rickh9396 Ruger is generally a joke in terms of QC
@@squatchwatch5237 At least someone understood it was a joke. Clearly not everyone, though. He's engaged in an argument with himself.
I've solved the gas issue a long time ago I only buy piston ar's 99% goes out the front end of the rifle very little to none comes out the back. I almost never need to clean my bolt carrier group every 1000 or so I'll wipe it with a cloth and disassemble it and wipe the pin but still not very dirty.
I’ve had one since Oct. Mine hammers. Sub-MOA with Hornady 150gr. interlocks loaded with IMR 4895. Shoots factory 147 FMJ good too.
I have to 20" version. I would take it over my DD. Feels great to carry, perfect factory trigger, fit and finish perfect. Not a ruger fan, but after handling this rifle I had to buy it.
When you pointed out those holes in the chamber extension, my first thought was safety channels in the event of a case blowout.
Got an SFAR recently and put 80 rounds through it on the first range trip. The charging handle was suuuper gritty when I picked it up from my LGS, after a cleaning and those first 80 rounds it smoothed out a lot. Expecting it to only get better. I put 74 rounds of PMC X-tac 147g rounds through it and got about 2 moa with no issues, and then did 6 rounds of Federal match rounds (sierra something, 175g, good stuff) and was shooting about .7moa. Very happy! Had a couple feed issues with the match rounds but I'm certain is was mag related. This thing shoots as soft as my AK chambered in 7.62x39. I love it. Gonna use it in a multi gun match this month.
It's kind of a cool idea, but I think it's more of a rifle for those that want an off the shelf solution. For those that like to tinker something a little more in the traditional AR-10 style might have more options
Yes and no, I’d say. If it takes standard AR-15 components for everything but the lower, bcg and barrel, then everything else could be swapped with standard AR-15 components, which are far far more plentiful and standardized than AR-10 components. The one minor caveat to that might be needing to drill those vent holes in the upper receiver, but other than that I don’t see why other components couldn’t be switched. Something like a carbon fiber hand guard could help lighten it even more, and throwing an A5 buffer system would help further smoothen and soften recoil, just as a couple examples.
Ruger’s packed a lot of innovation in that carbine..very impressive. Especially keeping the cost about as low or general area as as a mid-range .223/5.56. Nice..
Got mine over the holiday, put an H2 buffer in for softer shooting and I absolutely love it! 3X prism optic from PA to keep it light and was still able to hit steel consistently at 300+
Did you not have to worry about being under or over gassed?
What does it come with?
You’re saying any A.R. 15 H2 will fit
Adding to the buy list for 2023. Thanks for the review!
Bought one yesterday just waiting on uncle Sam's permission to take it home.
Have one and it’s freaking awesome! You’ll love it
I have a Ruger 556 And a Ruger MPR and Love them Both, I Gotta Get THIS One!!!!
I've got the 16" barrel, mid length gas system version of the MPR. So far so good. A lot of people talk smack about Ruger ARs but mine has been great. Just put a Holosun 510C on it along with Troy industries flip up iron sights. It's super fun to shoot. I put a Streamlight weapon light on it also. Looking into flip-to-the-side magnifiers now.
@@anthonygerber8261 I have the Same Rifle and No Hiccups, although Sometimes it Doesn't Like Steel case ammo.
Yup ... I have the 18" MPR and that thing is an absolute tack driver 🤘🤘🤘🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
My MPR is plenty accurate if you baby it. It can't handle hard use and drills, mine literally fell apart under hard use.
I live in rural Alaska, if it can't take hard use, it gets sold.
It's a .223 semi-auto plinker, that's about it.
@@JD-tn5lz Wow, You got a Bad One, I live in Michigan's UP and have Had Mine in All Kinds of Weather, Drops, Mud, Dirt, Snow and Still Going with Minimal cleaning, Same with my Ruger 556, I'm a Marine Corps Vet that Take My Rifles Seriously and have No Problem with these 2 rifles.
G2 comparison please! 🙋♂
Ruger SFAR 20" has a nice good looking.
Thank you Tim & Jason!
Happy New Year 2023!
i would like to have the 20" also
Love mine, have got sub moa groups with 155gr amax and moa with GMM. Great shooter. Gas system gets stuck after shooting suppressed and I’ve had a couple failure to feed while suppressed. Love how light it is.
I have asked for this review 3 or 4 times! Thank you, thank you. I feel much better about mine being paid in full on backorder now. I can't wait for it to arrive! I've been paying close attention to guys with 1,000 + rounds through their S.F.
A.R.'s (Ruger doesn't like it being called ESSFAR) None of them have had any durability issues with the smaller bolt & carrier group. So that's good to see. Again thank you very much for this review. Really excited to get mine when available again. I just subscribed because of this vid!! 👍
Just shot mine for the first time, put 100 rounds through it, no can. Basically breaking it in. Love it and how light it is. From my understanding and I could be wrong, I thought when running a can on this, is to have the gas block set to 1?
A great step in the refinement of short frame 308's. I really dig the gas vent, but running suppressed is why I went with the Adams short frame 308. IMO if there was a short frame standard, with the demise of DPMS, it would be the SFAR,
Same here.. just waiting til taxes for a can.
**I would love to see you compare DPMS G2.** Thanks for this video. I am pleased to see someone picking up and advancing the idea of a compact lightweight AR style with a better cartridge option for hunting etc. I have G2, use it for hunting whitetail and other things. Always worry when I do that I can’t replace parts etc. if Ruger has this and will sell me a spare bolt, I’m sold.
Thats a bold statement. I have never held a ruger product that was made as well as the POF ar10s.
i'd definitely like to see a comparison with the dpms g2 but what we really need is a long term and high round review on the sfar. as of last year, for affordability, potential durability and quality, the 716i seemed like the best option to me but i would really like to see if this one can stack up.
I just zeroed in my 2 new SFARs. It groups 1 MOA at 200 yards. Recoil is double of a 5.56mm AR but less than my SW MP 10 or Diamondback AR10 or Springfield MIA. It is 18 oz lighter than typical AR 10s, handles like an AR 15. This is a good AR10 at a decent cost.
Are your two SFAR’s 16” or 20”. Also, what ammo are you using to get those nice groups?
@@keithwray9942 Just low cost PMC .308 made in Korea, why pay more?
@@marvinhanson1868 No argument there!
Did you see the battle rifle shoot T Rex did with the aero precision M5? It was a 5000 round shoot. The bcg failed twice and they canceled the shoot roughly mid way through. Aero has been a leader on the 308 semi automatic rifle, and if it's not reliable, I have a hard time thinking anything else is in the AR style 308
Didn't they not oil or clean it as well? Also I think it made it past 2100 rds without cleaning or oil before failing.
Typically anyone with common sense and not trying a stress test or extreme emergency would do it around at least 500.
You should read the pinned comment in that video.
I picked up a 20” model a few months ago for $985 plus tax at a local shop. Only 200 rounds of 147 grain FMJ through it, so far so good. The factory charging handle is definitely not great, changed mine out for a Areo Precision Breach handle.
Sheesh thats a steal i cant find any under 1200 now.
I have had an SFAR for 3 months now and it consistently shoots under 1 MOA.
What grain bullet are you shooting?
@@dmdavidmiller 150 SST
I have one of their ar556s from the first run almost 10 years ago. Had to replace the buffer spring around 4k. Besides that. Runs and shoots as well as my more pricey endeavors. Great review. 👍 I wasn't aware of the smaller nature of this one. Puts a different spin on it.
I loved the delta ring. Just spin and go.
My first was the same model. Keep thinking I'm going to modify it or sell it... but then I shoot it again. Dang thing with no mods and a simple lpvo shoots under 2" at 100 yds. Probably better if I just learn to shoot! About 2 k rounds through it now, and no hiccups that I didn't cause.
I have one as well with the old quad rail. And i love it after putting a franklin binary for fun, radiant safety, radiant raptor ambi charging handle, m lok handguard pads, verticle grip, forgot what stock its been so long, m lok adapters for sliing, sure light, iron sites,, and holosun ames and vortex ×3 magnafier. I love it and all the rugers are good out the box and the upgtades are endless. Throw a little spray paint, and you're good to go. Make it how you want, and you won't be disappointed, very reliable, and i have Noveske, DD, sig, and Q. People only hate on ruger because of the name. For the price, it competes with a lot of more expensive rifles, just change the charging handle, and trigger your good. I paid 600 after tax and have over 3,000 rounds with no issues. its now a 2300 dollar rifle but doesnt need to be to be a great rifle out the box.
Ruger was an innovator of sorts with the AR-556
It was the first $600 AR-15 that had most of the features people wanted without cutting as many corners as the S&W M&P-15 Sport did
Smith had to come out with the Sport II to answer Ruger
Companies are more than happy to ride their legacy then sell out when they arent profitable anymore. Bushmaster, Colt, Knights Armament. I'm sure I'm forgetting more.
Luke, Hop and Rusty over at TFB had 3 copies of the rifle, and consistently ran into accuracy and reliability issues.
I absolutely love the size, weight and price of this rifle, but maybe waiting for a version 1.1 with some slight fixes might be a great idea.
do you have a link to their review? couldnt find it when i searched.
@@tarajonmckinley8227 TFB Review: The Ruger SFAR - An Almost Perfect Small Frame AR-10
because youtube doesn't really likes links
Just came here from that video, and only Hopp's model was having issues. He made a point of stating that the other 2 rifles the other guys had ran flawlessly.
You'll never want to touch a 5.56 again, once you feel how light this is. This is my end of the world rifle.
Same here!
I'm glad the gun got your seal of approval. I don't work in the factory that makes it, but I could tell that the R&D team really wanted to give POF a run for their money with this guy
They wouldn’t have to try hard, POF is a trash gun company.
My 16” is nice. I’m getting moa out to 450 with 3 types factory and one just over. White box Ball isn’t doing as well but I don’t expect it to. It was great to carry deer hunting in the hills and canyons
I was interested in the POF Revolution when it came out, but, based on online reviews, it seemed to have some reliability issues. I wound up going with an LMT 308. The LMT is quite accurate, unfortunately it too heavy coming in at over 13 pounds with a scope and bipod. If the Ruger SFAR holds up in terms of reliability, I'll likely pick one up.
You made the right choice, POF is not a good choice, had two, both didn’t work new out of the box, bad head spacing, trash customer service. Sold both rifles.
I have the POF rogue and I am here to say is the biggest piece of shit I have purchased now I have Colts and armalites and like you stated customer service sucks is an understatement I would never buy another POF product again
@@wandafishlips305 it is still more reliable than the POF you can also get a DD LMT or a knights DO you own a pof if you do did u have you had any issues mine has been back 3 times and it still a peice of shit and a waste of 2000 grand
@@wandafishlips305 and you have owned how many colts? Mine and many others run fine, they seemed to work out for the military fairly well. Didn’t say it was the best rifle made. But I trust it over a POF all week and twice on Sunday’s!
I love mine so much. Got it brand new for 900 from my friend at a pawn shop
I have an upper and lower receiver set for the Remington R25 GII and would greatly appreciate a comparison. The parts for the GII are like unobtanium!!
CDNN had some parts for that GII earlier this year ( do not know if they still do ).
I knew enough about the GII to know not to buy any of the parts for my needs. Good luck with the parts hunt.
It depends on what parts you are needing. It takes a lot from the AR15 operationally (bolt catch, bolt catch lever, trigger, etc) basically, ask if the part will fit a G2 DPMS and it will fit practically all other G2 copies.
@@joshuaewart6201 Bolt carrier is the most important Part I am looking for I did find one, but they want over $500.00 for it. this platform is not worth that kind of money.
@@mot0rhe4d40 Thanks for the lead. I know what parts are multi use. I made the mistake of not searching the GII before purchase. There are some nice titanium parts out there but way to expensive.
@@williamboulanger3639 I hear you. It's already a challenge to put together a DIY AR-10 platform rifle already ( no standardization like an AR-15 ). Again I hope the info helps.
Have a good and safe New Years.
Agreed, this is an amazing gun. The only thing I changed was the buffer. I installed a heavy buffer.
Brownells wouldn't bring the BRN-10 to Europe - but I managed to buy a second hand ORIGINAL AR-10, which I should pick up this week!!! Looks like a reasonable option, although I don't really like all the proprietary implementations of 308 capable rifles.
My pof p308 is a beast and very accurate
Thanks
I'll be getting my third SFAR soon, because the first two haven't worked. There's quite the discussion online about it with two very distinct camps.
The first group are people that have purchased and used an SFAR. This group is working on finding out what is wrong with them and why none of them work.
The orher group of people review guns for a living and say the SFAR is great.
I was really close to buying the Ruger, but ended up building one using AP receiver set and BA barrel.... too many negative reviews from the smaller channels opened my eyes👍
@@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244 Same. I've ended up with an Aero M5E1. For the record, Ballistic Advantage is just Aero.
@@spraynpray didn't know that about BA barrels, pretty cool 👍
Of course we want to see the comparison with the DPMS G2.
And the Adam's Arms short frame as well which happens to be AMBIDEXTROUS including the bolt CATCH as ALL modern ARs should be.
It's not a problem to make it ambidextrous
@@jasonlednum9856 - the ambi bolt assist levers that cross inside the triggerguard are not the ideal solution. I have them and use them but it's just not a good idea to have anything inside the trigger guard except a trigger. The PDQ is a better option but doesn't fit all rifles and requires permanent modification to the lower receiver.
Manufacturers need to get with the damn program and provide FULL ambi controls. LWRCI, LMT, ADM, Daniel Defense on the DD5, Adam's Arms and a few others have it right. POF almost has it with their hybrid system and Knights Armanent and others atleast have an ambidextrous bolt release.
But FULL ambi bolt controls, separate from other controls and on the side of the receiver or well forward and integral with the trigger guard are the way to do it.
Malfunction clearance and rapid reloads are much faster and safer with full ambi bolt control.
I'm surprised you talked about small frame .308 ARs and you didn't mention your Modular Colt Carbines like the LE901 or CM762
The trigger on my 16" SFAR was 4.25 lbs and my friend's SFAR came in at 6.5 lbs, apparently, they are all over the place in pull weight. Totally agree that Ruger hit it out of the park on this rifle. I think the DPMS Gen II was the first attempt at the small frame 308.
I have an SFAR 20" BARREL AND SHOOT 145 GN FULL METAL JACKET BOAT TAILS AND IT SHOOTS EXCELLENT FOR ME. SHOOTS AND RUNS GREAT.
I'm looking at the SFAR. I have a Sig and POF .308 but am really interested in the Ruger.
I'm loving mine. I put a Penguin grip on it from Anarchy Outdoors and a B5 Sopmod butt stock. A TriggerTech flat face trigger and a Radian charging handle. Eotech optics with magnifier and 45 degree flip up backup iron sights
I'd like to see rhe comparison between this and the dpms g2, maybe just like a quick tare down video
I have Ruger original 762 piston AR. Great platform about 1lb heavier than the sfar, but it shoots clover leaves at 100 yards.
Yeah I’ve been loving mine so far, wouldn’t mind having a spare bolt carrier group for it though since it’s proprietary. Haven’t seen just the BCG for sale anywhere yet though.
I think this is the new standard for the AR-10 platform. First shot mine with a pistol RDS with a 3 MOA dot, did the 36 yard zero and shot 10 with my elbow on the bench at 200 yards. All 10 were in the silhouette with cheap Venezuelan surplus NATO ammo. Got my 1-10 for it now and can’t wait to stretch it’s legs.
I passed on one two months ago as i was unsure about it. Price was very tempting for 999 doll hairs. Glad to see a positive thorough review. I went with a Windham Weaponry Src 308 mainly becuae it had an 18inch barrel and I was dead set on a 18inch 308.
Why?
Unless you’re shooting past 100 yards a 16 is fine you’re only losing about 120 ft./s going to a 16 anyway
I wanted it to be a little shorter for my suppressor
@@mrgrump2534because people shooting 308 are usually shooting past 100 yards.
I think a comprehensive video on Ar10 and its variants. Would be really helpful for people. High, low, receivers dpms cut , armalight to g? Very steep learning curve with only the interwebs to get info.
Well, it definitely caught my attention. I was going to do my typical build it my way sort of deals starting with a juggernaut tactical lower (for an ambidextrous bolt release)
But the performance that this put down, may be worth buying a factory rifle.
Super cool, but I found most interesting the obvious difference in gas to the face beetween a traditional baffled can and the flow-through.
That is some massive innovation. Good job.
I want one!! good review
A game changer for me is the TWO Ejector pins.....That can't be understated. Guarantee that's got to increase reliability by 35% or more. That innovative idea is on another level.
Kac was 1st
DD has done this for years with their 308 as well, right?
Ya. It’s been done for awhile
I’d like to see the comparison between the SFaR and the DPMS G2 Recon
Yes show us a comparison to an ultralight DPMS pattern.
Was waiting for this review. I've had my Ruger SR-556 for a long while now, and I've been looking for an affordable AR-10 to go along with it. Thanks, Tim!
This is not like the SR556, more like a scaled up budget AR556.
Mine didn't work with LaRue mags until I swapped the bolt catch to a milspec ar15. Also, I think the chamber in these is a tad small, when chamber milspec 7.62 NATO, it sticks in the chamber a tiny bit.
When it comes to AR platforms I trust the Military Arms channel the most. Excellent video exactly what I was hoping to hear. I never thought of hunting with an AR platform. But if I am training and becoming more proficient it only makes since to hunt with that rifle. I feel more comfortable hunting with an AR 10 but wanted something reliable, accurate and lightweight. This rifle looks like it fits that description and now it's been confirmed thank you Military Arms.
Superb camera work @15:45 you can see the air displacement/heat as the projectile travels to the target! It's like the Schlieren effect without using a mirror! wow!
I'd be curious to see how it looks after 5k. Just watched Lucas at TREX arms do a "review" of the Aero .308, it didnt survive a mild shooting schedule.
Think you may have found me the 308 I have been looking for. Thanks again for what you do! I was stoked to meet you in DC a few years back.
Shrinkage is usually a bad thing but not in the ar10s case.
Bad comparison to the POF Revolution, that has all the ambi bells and whistles for its price. This does not, it is more of a knock off of the POF Rogue, not Revolution. Which is lighter and in the same price point ball park as the SFAS. Other than that good video, finally someone that gave POF its innovative credit instead of acting like it’s Ruger’s original concept lol great video though
Great comment and great points. We appreciate you.
Absolutely this rifle is awesome, seeing how it compares to the DPMS would be extremely informative. You kinda compared it to the POF but seeing how it compares with other AR style 308 rifles would be extremely beneficial given that I'm actually in the market for my first 308 AR. I hear they are some what finicky. Information is by far worth more than money.
It doesn’t compare with other 308 ARs apples to oranges
@@Outdoors_nomad_life
I disagree everything is comparable in this case they are all AR STYLE RIFLES. Thus they are apples and apples. Some are small some are big, kinda like boobies.
@@NotBOB-81 apples and oranges the dpms is an ar10 more or less and the ruger and POF are ar15s that shoot 308.
@@Outdoors_nomad_life
And all use the same principle they squeeze the receiver down to ar 15 and shoot 308. SAME PRINCIPAL IN ALL THREE. WERE YOU NOT LISTENING??
@@NotBOB-81 I don’t have to listen to speculation if I’ve touched and used all of them myself.. ar10>dpms G2>POF/Sfar/ar15 . The dpms is a mid step that isn’t directly comparable, because it’s in it’s own outside of shooting the same caliber.
By your logic an MP5 and CZ scorpion are the same because they both shoot 9mm… but even that would be a better comparison because they are both in the pcc class of firearms.
I couldn’t pass it up, my dealer had sfar 16in for $900. Hope to get out to range this weekend and test it out.
I think what makes the POF a superior rifle is its full ambi controls. The triggers in the POF rifles are great as well. The heat sink barrel nut and the lock up on the rail is an awesome feature as well. I don't know it the E² extraction actually helps much but it's a cool feature as well. I think the POF is worth the extra money. That's why I have a POF piston driven Revolution.
Pof is a trash company! They churn out duds consistently and do not fix their malfunctioning rifles! I had a couple POF rifles in .556 and a p308, both didn’t run from the factory and had bad head spacing. Customer service was non existent, literally would not return calls or emails. Glad yours runs good. But there’s many that don’t. Chatter marks on receivers from poor machining, failures to feed, and POF does not resolve the issues. My gunsmith had to drop them off at their doorstep to get any help. Sold them immediately after getting them back. People just end up selling them after all the frustration from trying to get their rifles fixed. I refuse to support companies like this, while the engineering was impressive such as the roller bearing in the bolt carrier, they executed poorly and treat the customer even worse.
I have the Revolution as well. Had it probably 6-7 years now? Never had a single issue with it. Love all the features as well.
RE: comparing the GII and the SFAR? Yes, please, that would be very interesting. Thanks.
Like to see a comparison to the Sig 716i.
yes compare it to the DPMS G2, the 1st break thru in AR10s!
I been wanting that POF for a while. We all know POF makes quality guns, and that one in particular is very lightweight for a battle rifle.
I love Revolution. You do get a lot of other features you don’t get on the Ruger, but the price is obviously at a premium
You are misinformed then sir, pof has terrible quality control and it’s luck of the draw if you even get a rifle that functions from them. Glad your does apparently, but many, many rifles they made were crap, like the 2 I purchased brand new that wouldn’t function, and their customer service which does also not function properly. One in 308, and on in 5.56.
@@joshcombe440 i also have never had an issue through thousands of rounds through 415 and my Rev is probably around 3k. What problems did you have
@@rsxr22 well your lucky, I bought two of their rifles brand new at a reputable gun store. Both were non functioning out of the box, both had bad head spacing. Out of spec chambers and just built poorly. POF did nothing as a company to resolve the issues. The only way it was fixed, my gunsmith literally had to drop them off at their doorstep and make them repair them because they couldn’t argue with a gunsmith about how their trash product was perfect with their lies. read up a bit and you will see how they treat the customer when it’s their poor QC and machining causing the problems. They certainly earned their reputation for churning out quite a bit of junk product and not caring about ripping off the customer when they do it. Just my personnel experience, they were less than cordial when confronted about their actions at shot show, since they didn’t answer the phone or respond to numerous emails. Shady companies deserve the their reps. When they earn it. Glad you didn’t get bad product.
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I would say it's not others being lucky, it's you being unlucky.
I own two POFs, have a few buddies who own them too.
In the past decade we've easily put over 100k round through the 8 or 9 rifles in the ground. Haven't had issues with ANY of them.
Yes please make a video comparing the SFAR to the G2.
I’ve only taken mine out once, but so far I like it! Also, considering it’s lighter than my Hawkeye Long Range Hunter, this might wind up coming on a couple of hunts with me!
Seems similar to the savage msr10 hunter. You don’t hear a lot about those rifles.
Looked at one. Really light in 16”. But will wait 6-8 months see how they hold up. I have a Sig 716. So no hurry
I like the way you have your shed set up with a shooting range.
Thanks for doing this video. I purchased a PSA A10/308 and this was my first A10 and definitely noticed the weight. I love my rifle, but kinda wish I had seen this video. However, I also got the rifle for just under $800.
Got my ruger for 990 msrp from a local shop zx guns if u want to know fortwayne idk how the sales r anywhere else's but they can't keep them in stock I bought mine before it even got there lol
PSA is a good ar10 for the price. I "built" my gen 2 back in the day for right around 600 bucks. Got the SFAR for right around 950 off getbroker! Really like the size, weight, and more AR-15 compatible parts compared to the PSA. SFAR is easily 2.5lbs lighter. Barrel on my PSA is 416R stainless and the SFAR is 4140, but CHF.
@@breckfreeride Yep, $760 and free shipping on the PSA. I'm a fan of Ruger but I think I'll just stick with PSA. Can definitely get broker buying all these different variations, then of course you have to tweak it to your specifications. I put new buffer spring in it and haven't tried it yet, been pretty cold and also sick. Can't wait to see how the gun shoots.
@@troybarnes473 that's probably real close to what I ended up paying with shipping and tax and transfer fee bs... Definitely a screaming good deal. All I did to mine was a bigger charging handle. I had a slightly too long firing pin that would leave serious light primer strikes after closing the bolt and even doubled on me a few times. Sent it off to PSA and it came back quickly and fixed. PSA warranty and support is second only to maybe sig imho.
Got my sfar for $930 from local shop.
Weight savings are great! My aero is heavier. Always thought the receiver sizing for .308 was unnecessary. So much extra weight that could be a thicker or longer barrel. I like the idea for gas control, .308s aren't overgassed at all.
Great content awesome review: I have to say I wish "I could afford" a Ruger Sfar .308 if it works reliably with AR-15 uppers. then you would have the pretty much perfect all caliber firearm. if somebody makes a magwell conversion adapter like they do for the AR-15 to accept 9mm mags, but in this case to accept AR-15 mags instead then you could run .308 mags and AR-15 mags. Within that firearms such as the Ruger Sfar and other like platforms, will be the future of the AR platform
If only Ruger would sell complete uppers. Ah well
The unique design and engineering are awesome. First time seeing a 308 design using an upper upper receiver that's the same length as an ar15. The BCG design and the way it vents over pressure within the chamber is really interesting. I love seeing the ingenuity in unique designs. That's pretty cool for QCB type 308. 👍
Thanks for the compliment
@@pofusa he was definitely talking about the ruger 😂 wtf 😳
@@mrgrump2534 ah. Since we used our ingenuity to put a uniquely designed and engineered 308 using an upper (and lower) receiver that's the same length as an ar15 out to the market back in 2017, we might have thought that compliment would have been applicable to us. 🤷♂
I'd still choose a 6.5 mm grendel or 6 mm ARC platform over the .308 because they shoot much smoother and bullet weight is still plenty for most scenarios unless you are trying to take down Godzilla.
I too wish we had more semi-auto options for 6arc and 6.5gren. Seems like most have problems with 7.62x39 though.
Love my Grendel. But ammo is kinda hard to find. 7.62 and .308 is everywhere
I love the ambi catch/release for clearing malfunctions but at half the cost hard to pass up If i was looking at my first ar-10
I agree about Ruger AR-15s in general. Literally the only AR I've ever handled that was completely unusable was the Ruger 556, and the company did absolutely nothing to fix it despite sending it back 3 times.
We definitely need a G2 comparison. I’m looking for a .308/7.62 AR and I still haven’t made up my mind yet. There are so many choices.
I would definitely want to see DPMS G2 compared to the SFAR !! Side by side in accuracy as well as weight comparisons!
I have both in 20". Accuracy is virtually the same, but the Ruger required work to get there. Size and weight are very close.
its probably already been said, but the SFAR comes with the elite 452, 2 stage 4.5lb trigger
You've convinced me. Been looking for a good AR10.
get a POF. These are not even in the same playing field
@@dustinherrington9917 very true a POF is more than double the price.
Hey Ruger, there seems to be some issues with the adjustable gas settings. Setting 2 is not enough 3 is too much. I wonder if Ruger (or an aftermarket company) would benefit from making regulators with more adjustments. Even if only 4 settings fit on one regulator, with how easy it is removed there could be 3 or 4 different regulators available all with different size holes for fine tuning the gas. They all would be made to fit the stock gas block. Sure would make tuning it easier and help reliability.
I see bolt problems in this guns future as well as it beating the hell out of itself due to lack of mass in the recoil system. Would be fine for hunters, but not nearly durable enough to be considered a battle rifle.
Bolt durability is my concern too. Not saying they can’t make it work, I just don’t think they’re there yet. Maybe after it’s been out a few years.
It has an adjustable gas system. Problem solved.
@@erroneous6947 my thoughts exactly.
There's enough pictures of sheared bolt lugs from the larger casehead cartridges like 6.5 grendel for me to want that bolt cut out more and holding back a more powerful round.
The bolt and barrel extension are made out of exotic alloys far stronger than C-158 or 9310.