For someone unaware like me, can someone point which cosmic entities are there in the comic (like frames around 8:09 ) and which one is which now that they look different.
Ego, Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, In-Betweener. That’s off the top of my head, I’m on my couch and I don’t remember the page exactly lol
On the left from top down you have Eon, Entropy, Living Tribunal, Infinity, The One Above All, and Phoenix. On the right from top down, you have Celestials, The Watcher, Oblivion, The In-Betweener, The Fulcrum, Death, and Eternity.
you have NO CLUE how much joy it gives me that you're covering and enjoying this Phoenix run! My re entry into comics came back with Phoenix Resurrection #1 and discovered your channel soon after. Musta seen EVERY reference you've made to Jean/Phoenix since then and it's like the very fire of rebirth itself (😂) to hear your pleasure again. Keep up the great work! 👍🏾💜
"In addition to operating a weighing station without a license, Anubis was caught red-handed trafficking souls to the afterlife, alongside his co-conspirator: Osiris! The defendant is not a 'good boy'. "
A fight between Franklin and Jean as she is now would have to be a full on multiverse reset kind of event. There's no way you could do that without all of the Marvel landscape changing.
Franklin is no match for the Phoenix. Please remember that the nexus of all realities resides in the heart of the Phoenix so it is the ultimate reality warper. Franklin is just a mutant, arguably the most powerful mutant but still a mutant nevertheless that exists in the universe which means Franklin exists within a reality. The Phoenix exiusts outside time and space. The Phoenix can erase the entire Omniverse and recreates it because it is Life and Death itself, and as stated on the video above is Creation itself. In short, Phoenix controls all realities that exist. Even if Franklin bends reality, the Phoenix can undo it because again, the nexus of all realities resides in the heart of the Phoenix.
Crazy after all the years of RUclips and watching rob I see a video in the first 30 seconds haha. Got into comics and writing stories in 6th grade because of this channel and am releasing my first book soon. Thank you, Rob!
Every time I wake up and get ready for work I ALWAYS go to Rob! He never disappoints, I’m always like o a video out for 30-60 mins, I love it! Then on my two hour commute I put on his old old stuff that I realized I missed , basically I’m saying Rob is a GOAT! His content makes my daily grind of a two bus commute feel like it’s the length of his average video, @comics_explained , tysm! ❤❤
I think when they said “You are creation” I think she’s way beyond the capabilities of what Franklin can do or maybe equal in a sense but considering what the Phoenix itself represent Jean is no longer just Jean/Phoenix, she is Creation, the cosmic entity of the beginning of existence itself.
100%. But, I saw one of those comic/cartoon battle channels make a video showing ZATANNA not only beating the Scarlett Witch, but violently KILLING her... I was just like, "Yeah, no.. I like Zatanna and everything; but she has to actually cast spells to use her magic.. verbally, out loud... and BACKWARDS, no less. All of which takes TIME. Wanda could just remove her mouth or vocal cords with a THOUGHT, then atomize her entire body and probably obliterate her soul in less than a SECOND if those two had to fight.
Bro the fact that Jean is becoming the Goddess of the Pheonix and Storm the Goddess of the Storm Just gives the relationship between the two in X-Men 97 more meaning as Sisters and I freaking love it
The guy who usually gives the Cosmic entities physical forms must've been drunk, high, or both when Eternity and Living Tribunal asked for a commission. And it's about time Jean was offered membership to the Cosmic Entities club. If flipping Ulysses from Civil War 2 is allowed, they should be able to let anyone in.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache wait aren’t you the guy who was exposed for sending weird messages to vtubers? And for defending loli? YOOOO IT IS YOU!
@@ezaf5989 For anyone wondering what this person's problem with me is, he started up something like this in one of Rob's videos under one of my comments. He really insists that all VTubers are little girls. Really wants to push this idea that anyone who watches VTubers is a la a "Diddy". Clearly, a VTuber or I did something to him and he is holding a grudge. When I offered a counter to his claim of how all VTubers aren't all little girls, he went radio silent. And then went out of their way to find me here.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache do you still not understand we can all see your public subscriptions? you have been called out by 20+ people about sending creepy messages to vtubers but refuse to reply. name one grown man with a great life that spends ANY of his free time being parasocial online to vtubers. ill wait!
@ You being able to see my subscriptions makes even less sense why you make those claims when you can see grown men and women in there. That mixed with the fact that it went from 3 people calling me out to now it's 20+ over the course of an hour? Something's fishy here, and it's not me. If you have to actively fudge the numbers so that you have a horse in this race, I'm confident in saying you never had a leg to stand on. You knew you were making things up, but you thought if you were loud enough people would think you were right. That's why I say, I know I have evidence to my benefit. I know my odds are good. If you want to flip that coin, go for it. If you're as confident as I am, you won't have any problem with it. I will happily name you VTubers I follow that disprove your claim all VTubers are little girls.
The writer truly is going out of her way to fix decades of terrible editorial decisions against Jean. I love to see that. Hopefully this will set the basis for a proper development for the character in the MCU. I enjoyed Famke's Jean, but the idea that she has no die to pay for her power is really tired at this point. And Sophie Turner was just the wrong casting choice, IMO. Can't wait to see what's next for Phoenix in the big screen. In my opinion, Saoirse Ronan would be a fantastic Jean Grey.
Bro if Jean is now Phoenix without limits…and true Phoenix, shes THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER THERE EVER WAS. If you can remember about House of Ideas and The Dream…
Bout time Phoenix got a comic She's OP and stuff but still it could maybe work Phoenix is like the primary force of life. She should be a hero of her own story at least once.
@@Maxrepfitgm Is he really or they have no other idea what to do with him other than giving him an increasing level of omnipotence? I bet you he does not even know of TOBA or the mother of horrors!
@@shifftybeast8974 Jean has been so, for a longer time most of the women in comics you're thinking of, even existed. Jean being strong is very far from "woke trend of making all girls op". Phoenix was meant to be a cosmic hero since her introduction, many, many decades ago.
@ligeiasiren4290 I know Jean had been strong and I said I love Jean. What I'm tired of is every story now, every woman is becoming the best and over powered. That particular troupe is becoming played out. This should have been done with Jean ages ago. It just sucks that they wait till now when they are doing it with every female in comics. Do you need examples. I've been reading comics since the 80s and have never had a problem with strong female characters. But now they are ALL strong. Put against any man the female wings 9 out of 10 times.
Phoenix clearly displays cosmic awareness and thus showing right off the back, she is not to be trifled with let alone turning someone into a whole star council: "meh we can take her. She needs to abide by our laws, even though she is clearly a force of cosmic nature and thus the laws of mortals have absolutely zero sway on her and it should in fact be the other way around. We are the council so we have that good big D energy and thus she must submit" like they realize she could have turned that entire room into a star from cross the universe with ease.
Rob, i need to hear more philosophical stories tied into these comics, in the same way you tied pltos cave to previous comics. It added an extra layer to your stories. Many thanks!
Thanks so much for this. This was awesome, Rob! I can't wait to read this! I'm going to wait until the run is complete and then try to buy the whole collection.
Mortals have been defying, defeating and killing cosmic entities for almost the entire run of Marvel comics. I stopped collecting comics when a few things became obvious: 1. There is no continuity, it just gets thrown out completely based on what the writer wants to do. I really hate that. 2. It's just endless power creep. Look at how your favorite superhero is now the strongest hero! At least until next month, then it'll be someone else's. 3. Every character goes through the same few "character arcs", forever. I guess the comics are basically just rehashed for each generation. The more you know about the history of what has happened, the more you're just like "oh...again?".
Jean is basically becoming the embodiment of the white hot room which is the 'core of creation'. The white hot room is a place of imagination and pure creativity. It decides what gets made and what doesn't. Jean/Phoenix are basically the ink/pen and the white hot room the white pages. Every ink drop becomes part of Eternity/Infinity. Jean/Phoenix is thus FAR beyond Eternity/infinity and even Multi-Eternity.
Gladiator’s, vitriol and self righteous attitude as it pertains to Phoenix cracks me up, considering the Shiar literally wiped out Jean’s entire bloodline in the fear of one of her family members, possibly becoming a future host for the Phoenix force. He’s asking if turning Gorr into a star is the punishment that they would’ve given him meanwhile, the Shiar punished Jean’s entire family with little to no question or second thought. As much as I have been enjoying this run sans the not great traced artwork (thankfully Miracolo is now gone), but I’m ready for us to wrap up the Jean versus Thanos storyline and get into Jean layinh waste to the Shiar for decimating her bloodline.
I'm sure she could beat Franklin, until a different writer disagrees and upgrades him to Omnipotent x11, up front his already Omnipotent x9 status. I reckon The Phoenix is currently sitting at Omnipotent x9. In another 10 years there will be Omnipotent x20 characters, and on and on and on and on...
Galactic Politicians: "You killed Ghor and are bypassed our position" Anyone with a brain "You let Ghor lose under the impression you could control someone capable of killing gods, enslaving entire worlds, time travel, and more while gradually getting stronger while doing it....Clearly, you're position deserved to be overthrown."
They feel there position in the universe get smaller. and back in the Day, they kept tabs on The Phoenix by killing, capturing, threatening it's host. (Jean Grey) Now the host and the Phoenix are one entity now. And there scared shitless. Having no control or power over her at all.
@@spottedslash4256 I know WHY they did it. But honestly, thinking they could do anything to control Ghor is stupidity to its highest. Not to mention they are apparently just letting Thanos govern now which is also so dumb it borderlines on terrible writing IMO.
What I really liked about this comic, as far as I am able to see, is that they addressed the Phoenix as part of the Cosmic Hierarchy. Before, it was always excluded, but it was obviously a high ranking cosmic entity. It was always omitted, and its ranking and relation with the others was always a mystery until now.
He's concerned because the Phoenix is responsible for the murder of thousands of Shiar, back when she destroyed their ships. The Shiar do not like the phoenix, its been pretty well documented
It makes perfect sense to me. I've been thinking about this ever since Al Ewing's Defenders Beyond when the Beyonder says that he's weaker than the Phoenix, especially in the White Hot Room. It's very simple to me. the Phoenix Force represents all life, the Beyonders are alive, why, because of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force gives life, it can take it away too. Jean is now a being of creation itself.
@@jhonatanpizarro8318 but it was said that primordial chaos existed before the creation and The One Above All used primordial chaos to create phoenix and everything. I just heard this and confuses me because all I know was phoenix is the creation and destruction.
I honestly hope the new video series about the marvel universe is in the old format. The flat tone straight information delivery. Robs evolution on this channel has been an amazing experience to have watched. I like both deliveries to be honest,the uncut talk to us about the comics delivery and the bare facts delivery with the old background music in it.
This is so cool. I've always wanted this as a full fusion. Same with hulk and Bruce banner, venom and Eddie Brock. Like the idea of a perfect host for entities etc we as humans can relate to it on some level
Very happy to see her drop her guilt over the DPS and resume her Phoenixy duties. That is what Jean needed to grow and give us fresh stories. I do wonder what can be done with Rachel in light of all of this.
I’m pretty new to comics but I know stuff but this seems extremely monumental for cosmic beings and jean. I wonder how long comic book fans have been waiting for this moment lol. Thanks for covering 💗
I really like this development of Jean Grey/Phoenix. The Phoenix Force is a multiversal aspect of Creation. I think that potentially makes her more powerful than Franklin Richards. Franklin can manipulate reality but the Phoenix is a fundamental part of the entire multiverse.
The shackles have finally come off from Jean. Now we are about to see just how powerful she and The Phoenix will become, I'm excited to see where this goes.
The watcher is literally that one meme where the guy is at the corner of a party probably thinking something like "They dont know Ive watched everything"
That’s awesome to have The Fulcrum back. I hope they expound upon on his story. The new abstract looking version the Living Tribunal sucks. Adam Warlock looked dope as LT.
Here's my question. Recently, Thor was told that his mother was the Phoenix. Now, Jean is told she is the Phoenix. Does that make Jean the mother of Thor?!😅
I don't think the idea of Thor being the Phoenix' son will ever be revisited TBH. It was just the writer's attempt to give Thor Jean's power/lore, and Marvel seems to be going into the opposite direction with this book. Jean was once nerfed and killed, because of Thor, to make sure she wouldn't outshine the male heroes in the Marvel roster. I don't think they will legitimately link the Phoenix with Thor, to that degree. If anything, they're trying to permanently merge Jean Grey/Phoenix as the same concept. And I doubt they're gonna make her Thor's mom, lol.
@@ligeiasiren4290 it was explained in one comic that Thor as a baby died an the Phoenix revive him that's why it calls him her son ppl just saw that part an just went with it
When Rob give that long AMAZING ypu know your in for a treat😊 Too funny I just comment damnit after watching the vid u did on phoenix and the cliff hanger!!!!! I didn't have to wait long!!!!
Call me old school, but I prefer the non anthropomorphized cosmic entities. It doesn't make sense like a universal constant like Eternity would just be some regular, super-hero type singular person, with a personality, agenda and very-human like. Something like eternity should be infinite and a force, not some whimsical personality that's concerned with singular persons in a universe of trillions of trillions of people and trillions of stars. Having them super-hero type characters as well gets into the silly really quick with very strong super-heroes like Apocalypse being about to beat them in fights, that shouldn't even be possible in comic-book logic.
They don’t have a real form. They’re concepts and forces. They only appear as they do because they requested a form to make it possible to interact with existence.
@@DezzyyyI don't remember a story where the living tribunal was used as something else but a huge plug for plot holes, do you? The cosmic entities are in shambles at the moment, they are over worked to my opinion, to many are popping out every other story, it's losing it's impact, especially as the cosmic entities are being written like they are superheroes with values, morales, talking like they are humans, it just shows bad writing to me. In the past, when a cosmic entity was in a story I would get excited about how things will go down, now it's just another week at Marvel, thats not a good feeling, but I guess it's just a personal opinion.
@@arc7375 That's true and sorta exactly what I'm saying. Like Eternity for example is the personification of eternity. To eternity the concept, nothing Phoenix or any other creature would do would have any relevance, eternity would always continue towards the infinite regardless of anything, even the universe ending, and the concept of eternity taking a single body form is entirely antithetical to what eternity is. When Eternity takes a body than it is no longer the concept of eternity. It doesn't make any sense, comic-book logic or otherwise. A cosmic entity should just be nebulous, unknowable galactic constant, energy or force, completely not interested or even capable of interacting with a personal singular level. I can understand the Living Tribunal and some others being characters that interact, but cosmic entities like Eternity, the In-Betweener, Infinity, Oblivion etc should not be characters that interact (at least in super-hero type body form).
here's why marvels writing is always silly though. "when i find you perrikus....", SHES THE PHOENIX!!! She knows exactly where he is and can be there instantly!!!!
I am bummed out that Gorr died because I wanted him to return so badly because he was one of the best villains in Marvel. And they brought him back just to be killed off again. Hopefully, they will bring him back some other time. However, I do wish that Gorr was not just treated like that.
It would be really cool to have the phoenix force and Franklin Richards recreate the MCU after Secret Wars if it wasn’t for Fox exhausting viewers of the Dark Phoenix story
I am not sure why u r comparing Phoenix to Franklin when in this issue, it says that she is creation, that a piece of her lives in every being, that includes Franklin. He is a reality warper, she is creation force itself. Completely 2 different level..
El fénix también puede deformar la realidad, además cuando te dicen tú eres la creación misma no hay más que buscar ya lo eres todo y nada puede contigo solo toa
Hi Marvel fans! For those who don't know who are those ABSTRACT ENTITIES dancing with the Phoenix. They are the Eternity, Infinity, The One Above All, Entropy, Living Tribunal, Eon, In-Betweener, Oblivion, Death, Fulcrum, Celestials and the Watcher. And the most important to them all which is the Living Embodiment and the concept of Creation itself the Phoenix.
It is _so bloody good_ to see Jean get so much love and respect. I can’t wait until the MCU finally brings in Jean Grey/Phoenix. And hopefully, they won’t drop the ball a third time… Regarding your question as to what role Phoenix plays in the Pantheon, I have an answer pending my own question. Is there the entity “Life?” I know there’s Death. But to my knowledge, I can’t remember if there’s a Life? If not, given that Phoenix is said to be Creation itself in this comic, I’d say that Phoenix’s role has been established as _Creation/Life_ - the antithesis of Lady Death.
She’s life and Death at the same time. She ranks higher than Death because she can never truly die. And ranks higher than Oblivion because she can emerge from nothing.
@@WhitePhoenixJeanAllegedly she was approached to play Scarlet Witch and declined. But she has expressed interest in the Marvel cinematic universe in the past. Hopefully she auditions for Jean, she's perfect for the role.
No need to change mind. Im not sure what Rob was smoking when he went into that, but Jean would erase Franklin and every single being from existence instantly.
Another bit of cosmic lore I don't think you got around to was revealed in the recent Scarlet Witch series. She was shown to be beyond all nexus beings with Odin in the same issue being confirmed as a nexus being 👍🏿
@@droskie5 Wanda stans. Some literally in this video’s comment section are writing “Wanda still solos” despite Jean being confirmed to be pretty much the most powerful entity under The One Above All.
For someone unaware like me, can someone point which cosmic entities are there in the comic (like frames around 8:09 ) and which one is which now that they look different.
Ego, Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, In-Betweener. That’s off the top of my head, I’m on my couch and I don’t remember the page exactly lol
@@comics_explained Thanks a lot!
On the left from top down you have Eon, Entropy, Living Tribunal, Infinity, The One Above All, and Phoenix.
On the right from top down, you have Celestials, The Watcher, Oblivion, The In-Betweener, The Fulcrum, Death, and Eternity.
@@Alhaithamgrey Thats the one above all thats dancing with Infinity? Ah, wasnt expecting that one....
@@claudegrenier3180Questionable, it’s the Fulcrum really, it’s been questionable for years if they’re the same as TOAA.🤷🏽♂️
Eternity looks like he raided Konshu's closet 🤣
Bro tell me why I thought the same thing 😂😂😭😭
@@comics_explained hey have you ever covered evil Ernie?
@@comics_explained
Because it’s true!
Eternity has always been envious of Khonsu’s wardrobe.
Eternity has been peeping on Khonsu.
I was thinking gay ninja
@@Cannabeknown HIIIIIIIII-
🎵YYYAAAAAAAAA🎵 🏳️🌈
you have NO CLUE how much joy it gives me that you're covering and enjoying this Phoenix run! My re entry into comics came back with Phoenix Resurrection #1 and discovered your channel soon after. Musta seen EVERY reference you've made to Jean/Phoenix since then and it's like the very fire of rebirth itself (😂) to hear your pleasure again.
Keep up the great work! 👍🏾💜
The Phoenix force itself sitting on her shoulder like a parrot is so freaking wild. What a flex lol
Imagine mortals telling a god or something beyond that, that “Hey you’re breaking the law”
"In addition to operating a weighing station without a license, Anubis was caught red-handed trafficking souls to the afterlife, alongside his co-conspirator: Osiris! The defendant is not a 'good boy'. "
Jean: "I AM THE LAW"
“HEY! YOU CAN’T TURN A DAMN UNIVERSAL THREAT INTO A SUN TO MAKE A NEW SOLAR SYSTEM!”…”nvm, I guess that’s a thing”
point is, all of creation has laws in marvel. checks and balances.
@@slickchick5811 We see those laws get broken on a regular lol
A fight between Franklin and Jean as she is now would have to be a full on multiverse reset kind of event. There's no way you could do that without all of the Marvel landscape changing.
Franklin don't give a shit anything that happening right now in marvel he just want peace😅😂
I'm more curious of a child between the two would be like.
they do love making humans the be all end all, don't they?
That's so weird dude @@Gamer1288
Franklin is no match for the Phoenix. Please remember that the nexus of all realities resides in the heart of the Phoenix so it is the ultimate reality warper. Franklin is just a mutant, arguably the most powerful mutant but still a mutant nevertheless that exists in the universe which means Franklin exists within a reality. The Phoenix exiusts outside time and space. The Phoenix can erase the entire Omniverse and recreates it because it is Life and Death itself, and as stated on the video above is Creation itself. In short, Phoenix controls all realities that exist. Even if Franklin bends reality, the Phoenix can undo it because again, the nexus of all realities resides in the heart of the Phoenix.
Crazy after all the years of RUclips and watching rob I see a video in the first 30 seconds haha. Got into comics and writing stories in 6th grade because of this channel and am releasing my first book soon. Thank you, Rob!
Good luck on your book, man 👍
Every time I wake up and get ready for work I ALWAYS go to Rob! He never disappoints, I’m always like o a video out for 30-60 mins, I love it! Then on my two hour commute I put on his old old stuff that I realized I missed , basically I’m saying Rob is a GOAT! His content makes my daily grind of a two bus commute feel like it’s the length of his average video, @comics_explained , tysm! ❤❤
Ditto Bro.... what's the name?
I read the book it sucks
I think when they said “You are creation” I think she’s way beyond the capabilities of what Franklin can do or maybe equal in a sense but considering what the Phoenix itself represent Jean is no longer just Jean/Phoenix, she is Creation, the cosmic entity of the beginning of existence itself.
* i am not a god ...a god has limits* ...Jesus this comic is cooking
This Phoenix run has been awesome. Great video as always Rob!
It’s obvious how much work you put in!
Wanda will never outrank Jean. Ever. Period.
How did Wanda reach in the video?
Dude that cosmic map project for Marvel you talked about would be *AMAZING!*
Seriously great idea.
Once again THE PHOENIX destroys Scarlett Witch... Not even close
Exactly! 😂
Watch the Wanda stans remain in absolute denial...
100%. But, I saw one of those comic/cartoon battle channels make a video showing ZATANNA not only beating the Scarlett Witch, but violently KILLING her... I was just like, "Yeah, no.. I like Zatanna and everything; but she has to actually cast spells to use her magic.. verbally, out loud... and BACKWARDS, no less. All of which takes TIME. Wanda could just remove her mouth or vocal cords with a THOUGHT, then atomize her entire body and probably obliterate her soul in less than a SECOND if those two had to fight.
The Phoenix is so above that it hurts 😂😂😂, and they be like "chaos magic created everything" wtf 😂😂😭😭😭
@@SavorySmegma that channel was biased, they were huge DC fan
Bro the fact that Jean is becoming the Goddess of the Pheonix and Storm the Goddess of the Storm
Just gives the relationship between the two in X-Men 97 more meaning as Sisters and I freaking love it
I hope they have a crossover issue and fight together against a villain, once Storm gets the eternity herald title.
@@ligeiasiren4290I hope the same
Jean no se está convirtiendo en un dios si no en algo más que un dios ya que los dioses tienen límites en el mismo cómic lo dicen
The guy who usually gives the Cosmic entities physical forms must've been drunk, high, or both when Eternity and Living Tribunal asked for a commission. And it's about time Jean was offered membership to the Cosmic Entities club. If flipping Ulysses from Civil War 2 is allowed, they should be able to let anyone in.
Agreed. That was nonsense.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache wait aren’t you the guy who was exposed for sending weird messages to vtubers? And for defending loli? YOOOO IT IS YOU!
@@ezaf5989 For anyone wondering what this person's problem with me is, he started up something like this in one of Rob's videos under one of my comments. He really insists that all VTubers are little girls. Really wants to push this idea that anyone who watches VTubers is a la a "Diddy". Clearly, a VTuber or I did something to him and he is holding a grudge. When I offered a counter to his claim of how all VTubers aren't all little girls, he went radio silent. And then went out of their way to find me here.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache do you still not understand we can all see your public subscriptions? you have been called out by 20+ people about sending creepy messages to vtubers but refuse to reply.
name one grown man with a great life that spends ANY of his free time being parasocial online to vtubers. ill wait!
@ You being able to see my subscriptions makes even less sense why you make those claims when you can see grown men and women in there. That mixed with the fact that it went from 3 people calling me out to now it's 20+ over the course of an hour? Something's fishy here, and it's not me. If you have to actively fudge the numbers so that you have a horse in this race, I'm confident in saying you never had a leg to stand on. You knew you were making things up, but you thought if you were loud enough people would think you were right. That's why I say, I know I have evidence to my benefit. I know my odds are good. If you want to flip that coin, go for it. If you're as confident as I am, you won't have any problem with it. I will happily name you VTubers I follow that disprove your claim all VTubers are little girls.
The writer truly is going out of her way to fix decades of terrible editorial decisions against Jean. I love to see that.
Hopefully this will set the basis for a proper development for the character in the MCU. I enjoyed Famke's Jean, but the idea that she has no die to pay for her power is really tired at this point. And Sophie Turner was just the wrong casting choice, IMO.
Can't wait to see what's next for Phoenix in the big screen. In my opinion, Saoirse Ronan would be a fantastic Jean Grey.
Bro if Jean is now Phoenix without limits…and true Phoenix, shes THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER THERE EVER WAS. If you can remember about House of Ideas and The Dream…
Bout time Phoenix got a comic
She's OP and stuff but still it could maybe work
Phoenix is like the primary force of life. She should be a hero of her own story at least once.
Looking forward to thanos finding yet another macguffin that'll magically let him do whatever he wants to do.
Yeah, I get he's a fan favorite but come on man
@@Maxrepfitgm
Is he really or they have no other idea what to do with him other than giving him an increasing level of omnipotence?
I bet you he does not even know of TOBA or the mother of horrors!
@@Raximus3000 he has quite literally absorbed and became the one above all wdym
Yea, he's a bit of a dick.
Macguffin number 1000
This is just beautiful! Jean Grey finally getting the respect she deserves.
Wym she always had been a bad ass😂❤
They truly are fixing decades of terrible editorial decisions against her in this book. It's great to see.
What woman in comics isn't nowadays. They are all the strongest. I do love Jean but it's getting kinda tiring and played out tbh.
@@shifftybeast8974 Jean has been so, for a longer time most of the women in comics you're thinking of, even existed. Jean being strong is very far from "woke trend of making all girls op".
Phoenix was meant to be a cosmic hero since her introduction, many, many decades ago.
@ligeiasiren4290 I know Jean had been strong and I said I love Jean. What I'm tired of is every story now, every woman is becoming the best and over powered. That particular troupe is becoming played out. This should have been done with Jean ages ago. It just sucks that they wait till now when they are doing it with every female in comics. Do you need examples. I've been reading comics since the 80s and have never had a problem with strong female characters. But now they are ALL strong. Put against any man the female wings 9 out of 10 times.
Phoenix clearly displays cosmic awareness and thus showing right off the back, she is not to be trifled with let alone turning someone into a whole star
council: "meh we can take her. She needs to abide by our laws, even though she is clearly a force of cosmic nature and thus the laws of mortals have absolutely zero sway on her and it should in fact be the other way around. We are the council so we have that good big D energy and thus she must submit"
like they realize she could have turned that entire room into a star from cross the universe with ease.
Yea. I'm not sure what the council is smoking, especially after what they just witnessed. Well, I guess the galaxy could always use more stars.
I have been a fan of Jean since the 1980s and I never thought she’s ever get a series let alone one as good as this. Excellent book.
BABE WAKE UP ROB & A NEW COSMIC ENTITY JUST DROPPED!!!
literally 😭😭 damn near had a heart attack
NAH SWEAR!
COMING SNUKEMS!!!!!
I don't think Gene or the Phoenix are heros .
@@unholywarrior9007Jean lol
Rob, i need to hear more philosophical stories tied into these comics, in the same way you tied pltos cave to previous comics. It added an extra layer to your stories. Many thanks!
Thanks so much for this. This was awesome, Rob! I can't wait to read this! I'm going to wait until the run is complete and then try to buy the whole collection.
It's so silly these mortals talking bout killing Entities. Like, man be real.
Sillier things have happened😂 it's comics man! ❤
kill the concept, kill the entity...its all about writing
Mortals have been defying, defeating and killing cosmic entities for almost the entire run of Marvel comics. I stopped collecting comics when a few things became obvious:
1. There is no continuity, it just gets thrown out completely based on what the writer wants to do. I really hate that.
2. It's just endless power creep. Look at how your favorite superhero is now the strongest hero! At least until next month, then it'll be someone else's.
3. Every character goes through the same few "character arcs", forever. I guess the comics are basically just rehashed for each generation. The more you know about the history of what has happened, the more you're just like "oh...again?".
@rustybrooks8916 it becomes incredibly frustrating and insulting.
@@RastaMage00 No arguments there, but they've been doing it for many decades, I doubt it will stop anytime soon.
Jean is basically becoming the embodiment of the white hot room which is the 'core of creation'. The white hot room is a place of imagination and pure creativity. It decides what gets made and what doesn't. Jean/Phoenix are basically the ink/pen and the white hot room the white pages. Every ink drop becomes part of Eternity/Infinity. Jean/Phoenix is thus FAR beyond Eternity/infinity and even Multi-Eternity.
Gladiator’s, vitriol and self righteous attitude as it pertains to Phoenix cracks me up, considering the Shiar literally wiped out Jean’s entire bloodline in the fear of one of her family members, possibly becoming a future host for the Phoenix force. He’s asking if turning Gorr into a star is the punishment that they would’ve given him meanwhile, the Shiar punished Jean’s entire family with little to no question or second thought. As much as I have been enjoying this run sans the not great traced artwork (thankfully Miracolo is now gone), but I’m ready for us to wrap up the Jean versus Thanos storyline and get into Jean layinh waste to the Shiar for decimating her bloodline.
This sounds so cool! Have been wanting someone to do a story like this with Phoenix for years!
Phoenix rockin’ those Leifeld kicks 😂
This series is the best. It answers a lot of questions. If she truly is not limiting herself, I don’t think Franklin is a match for her.
I'm sure she could beat Franklin, until a different writer disagrees and upgrades him to Omnipotent x11, up front his already Omnipotent x9 status. I reckon The Phoenix is currently sitting at Omnipotent x9. In another 10 years there will be Omnipotent x20 characters, and on and on and on and on...
Galactic Politicians: "You killed Ghor and are bypassed our position"
Anyone with a brain "You let Ghor lose under the impression you could control someone capable of killing gods, enslaving entire worlds, time travel, and more while gradually getting stronger while doing it....Clearly, you're position deserved to be overthrown."
They feel there position in the universe get smaller. and back in the Day, they kept tabs on The Phoenix by killing, capturing, threatening it's host. (Jean Grey) Now the host and the Phoenix are one entity now. And there scared shitless. Having no control or power over her at all.
@@spottedslash4256 I know WHY they did it. But honestly, thinking they could do anything to control Ghor is stupidity to its highest. Not to mention they are apparently just letting Thanos govern now which is also so dumb it borderlines on terrible writing IMO.
imagine Marvel deciding to make Blackbolt the new Living Tribunal and rob thus having no choice but to talk about it 🧐
He would move mountains to throw shade. It would be spectacular
lol
Who is Blackball?
Petition for another run of Dr Manhattan vs other powerful entities 👀 ANYWAYS LESSGOOOO
What I really liked about this comic, as far as I am able to see, is that they addressed the Phoenix as part of the Cosmic Hierarchy. Before, it was always excluded, but it was obviously a high ranking cosmic entity. It was always omitted, and its ranking and relation with the others was always a mystery until now.
Can't wait for this new cosmic entity to get beaten and trivialized by another to character to establish how strong and awesome that character is.
You must of got next week's leaks
@omnientertainment5852 😭😭😭
Baby Girl straight up turned Gorr into a STAR!!
He's concerned because the Phoenix is responsible for the murder of thousands of Shiar, back when she destroyed their ships. The Shiar do not like the phoenix, its been pretty well documented
Can’t wait to see that series you’re working on. It sounds incredible! Like modern day Marvel Universe comics
jean grey level is beyond francklin richard
Thanos to the galatic Con: You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you, back to me
It makes perfect sense to me. I've been thinking about this ever since Al Ewing's Defenders Beyond when the Beyonder says that he's weaker than the Phoenix, especially in the White Hot Room. It's very simple to me. the Phoenix Force represents all life, the Beyonders are alive, why, because of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force gives life, it can take it away too.
Jean is now a being of creation itself.
Phoenix was supposed to be the sum total of all psionic energy in the universe, now its all life? what about all the other energy forms?
She was always creation, marvel just forgot to mention that in years
@@jparker71well I'm also confused because I heard that primordial chaos was also the spark that gave all life.
@@_Kasius_el caos es solo caos el fénix es eso y algo más grande aún es creación y eso significa que el caos fue creado por el fénix
@@jhonatanpizarro8318 but it was said that primordial chaos existed before the creation and The One Above All used primordial chaos to create phoenix and everything. I just heard this and confuses me because all I know was phoenix is the creation and destruction.
I honestly hope the new video series about the marvel universe is in the old format. The flat tone straight information delivery. Robs evolution on this channel has been an amazing experience to have watched. I like both deliveries to be honest,the uncut talk to us about the comics delivery and the bare facts delivery with the old background music in it.
Can’t believe how cool this turned out!
17:40 mins. "Normally Gladiator is sound.... but after the but wooping in the 90s Xmen cartoon Phoenix put on him, he knows better!"
This is so cool. I've always wanted this as a full fusion. Same with hulk and Bruce banner, venom and Eddie Brock. Like the idea of a perfect host for entities etc we as humans can relate to it on some level
Very happy to see her drop her guilt over the DPS and resume her Phoenixy duties. That is what Jean needed to grow and give us fresh stories.
I do wonder what can be done with Rachel in light of all of this.
No one tells a comic better than this guy.
I’m pretty new to comics but I know stuff but this seems extremely monumental for cosmic beings and jean. I wonder how long comic book fans have been waiting for this moment lol. Thanks for covering 💗
The Galactic Council = ant
The Phoenix = the one that steps
I'm getting goosebumps just imagining what awaits for future Marvel now 😊
im hoping the Shi'ar get some payback for the murder of Jean's family. That was seriously a dick move and deserves some consequences
I really like this development of Jean Grey/Phoenix. The Phoenix Force is a multiversal aspect of Creation. I think that potentially makes her more powerful than Franklin Richards. Franklin can manipulate reality but the Phoenix is a fundamental part of the entire multiverse.
The shackles have finally come off from Jean. Now we are about to see just how powerful she and The Phoenix will become, I'm excited to see where this goes.
This keeps getting better and better!!!
Jean Phoenix, horseman of the One Above All
Na. She's more like the TOAA primal life force manifest.
@@Jaymastia Phoenix is somewhat manifestation of TOAA'S will , the heart of TOAA hence phoenix is the center of TOAA
@@webergary2853 beautiful.
@@webergary2853sorry, could you expand on this ?
Sounds very interesting but I don’t quite understand.
@@Vishalx01 basically the toaa said his only weapon is love and the phoenix/jean are a force of love and passion so she is implied to be his weapon
The watcher is literally that one meme where the guy is at the corner of a party probably thinking something like "They dont know Ive watched everything"
That’s awesome to have The Fulcrum back. I hope they expound upon on his story. The new abstract looking version the Living Tribunal sucks. Adam Warlock looked dope as LT.
I could sneeze and his existence would vanish.
Therefore The Phoenix Force/Jean Gray is beyond God level, and can make a God bow down to her will.
I’m excited about that marvel tour project, can’t wait to see it! 😁
Here's my question. Recently, Thor was told that his mother was the Phoenix. Now, Jean is told she is the Phoenix. Does that make Jean the mother of Thor?!😅
No. Jean is the Father of Hope Summers. Who was the Phoenix in disguise.
No the Phoenix isn't Thor actual mom 😂
I don't think the idea of Thor being the Phoenix' son will ever be revisited TBH. It was just the writer's attempt to give Thor Jean's power/lore, and Marvel seems to be going into the opposite direction with this book.
Jean was once nerfed and killed, because of Thor, to make sure she wouldn't outshine the male heroes in the Marvel roster. I don't think they will legitimately link the Phoenix with Thor, to that degree.
If anything, they're trying to permanently merge Jean Grey/Phoenix as the same concept. And I doubt they're gonna make her Thor's mom, lol.
@@ligeiasiren4290 it was explained in one comic that Thor as a baby died an the Phoenix revive him that's why it calls him her son ppl just saw that part an just went with it
@@arc7375well hey, if Mystique can be Nightcrawler's Dad, then Jean can be Hope's Dad... 😂
When Rob give that long AMAZING ypu know your in for a treat😊 Too funny I just comment damnit after watching the vid u did on phoenix and the cliff hanger!!!!! I didn't have to wait long!!!!
Theres a new entity every 2 months now lol
Did you watch the video before commenting…
@@-.Outlaw.- it's about the title of the video and not the story....
I loved your telling of this chapter. I'm so ready for the next
Call me old school, but I prefer the non anthropomorphized cosmic entities. It doesn't make sense like a universal constant like Eternity would just be some regular, super-hero type singular person, with a personality, agenda and very-human like. Something like eternity should be infinite and a force, not some whimsical personality that's concerned with singular persons in a universe of trillions of trillions of people and trillions of stars. Having them super-hero type characters as well gets into the silly really quick with very strong super-heroes like Apocalypse being about to beat them in fights, that shouldn't even be possible in comic-book logic.
They don’t have a real form. They’re concepts and forces.
They only appear as they do because they requested a form to make it possible to interact with existence.
Agreed. It's so limiting. Why would they concern themselves when their thoughts are bent towards the macro scale.
@@RastaMage00 maybe because some of thr micro things affect the macro? Use ya head. It's like why the tribunal steps in when he does.
@@DezzyyyI don't remember a story where the living tribunal was used as something else but a huge plug for plot holes, do you?
The cosmic entities are in shambles at the moment, they are over worked to my opinion, to many are popping out every other story, it's losing it's impact, especially as the cosmic entities are being written like they are superheroes with values, morales, talking like they are humans, it just shows bad writing to me.
In the past, when a cosmic entity was in a story I would get excited about how things will go down, now it's just another week at Marvel, thats not a good feeling, but I guess it's just a personal opinion.
@@arc7375 That's true and sorta exactly what I'm saying. Like Eternity for example is the personification of eternity. To eternity the concept, nothing Phoenix or any other creature would do would have any relevance, eternity would always continue towards the infinite regardless of anything, even the universe ending, and the concept of eternity taking a single body form is entirely antithetical to what eternity is.
When Eternity takes a body than it is no longer the concept of eternity. It doesn't make any sense, comic-book logic or otherwise. A cosmic entity should just be nebulous, unknowable galactic constant, energy or force, completely not interested or even capable of interacting with a personal singular level.
I can understand the Living Tribunal and some others being characters that interact, but cosmic entities like Eternity, the In-Betweener, Infinity, Oblivion etc should not be characters that interact (at least in super-hero type body form).
I am looking forward to your coverage of Storm #2, yours and Blerds.
When a series that is only 20 years old is considered "old", then what does that make one who remembers being mad when comics went up to 35 cents?!?
The ancient is speaking
You must be knull since you existed before the universe even did
Can't wait to see your series rob👍
here's why marvels writing is always silly though. "when i find you perrikus....", SHES THE PHOENIX!!! She knows exactly where he is and can be there instantly!!!!
I was waiting on for this one!!!
Jean is so broken bro😭😭✨
I am bummed out that Gorr died because I wanted him to return so badly because he was one of the best villains in Marvel. And they brought him back just to be killed off again. Hopefully, they will bring him back some other time. However, I do wish that Gorr was not just treated like that.
It would be really cool to have the phoenix force and Franklin Richards recreate the MCU after Secret Wars if it wasn’t for Fox exhausting viewers of the Dark Phoenix story
Eternity looks RIDICULOUS, like something out of Moonight.😂
all scarlet witch stans have a right to shut up now
Truths lol they always over their Wendy that can even do nothing 😂
Gosh the artwork looks amazing as well
The council is a bunch of morons to let Thanos take control.
Exactly. Phoenix/Jean Grey's Ascension has made them Scared and Stupid enough to let Thanos get Control.
This video was INCREDIBLE!!!
In other news, the sky is blue and Marvel introduces a new cosmic entity every week.
At this point there’s more cosmic entities than regular mortals
Stg
These are some lazy takes man
@@discobassgroovewatch something else
@@discobassgroovenot lazier than the writers work and your ability to think for yourself.
I don’t even read comics but your videos have me considering since you explain them so well
I am not sure why u r comparing Phoenix to Franklin when in this issue, it says that she is creation, that a piece of her lives in every being, that includes Franklin.
He is a reality warper, she is creation force itself. Completely 2 different level..
Because he’s beyond omega level.Its not just that it’s the potential of what he could become depending on the writer.
@@skywalkersbutido6375Jean is the alpha of Omega
El fénix también puede deformar la realidad, además cuando te dicen tú eres la creación misma no hay más que buscar ya lo eres todo y nada puede contigo solo toa
I like this story. Thanks Rob!
Phoenix turning Gorr into a star.. that was so gag-worthy
It's AMAZING, SON! The excitement is infectious. Keep being you!
Jean is positionally above Franklin. Subsequently, Also more Powerful.
Hi Marvel fans! For those who don't know who are those ABSTRACT ENTITIES dancing with the Phoenix.
They are the Eternity, Infinity, The One Above All, Entropy, Living Tribunal, Eon, In-Betweener, Oblivion, Death, Fulcrum, Celestials and the Watcher. And the most important to them all which is the Living Embodiment and the concept of Creation itself the Phoenix.
It is _so bloody good_ to see Jean get so much love and respect. I can’t wait until the MCU finally brings in Jean Grey/Phoenix. And hopefully, they won’t drop the ball a third time…
Regarding your question as to what role Phoenix plays in the Pantheon, I have an answer pending my own question.
Is there the entity “Life?”
I know there’s Death. But to my knowledge, I can’t remember if there’s a Life?
If not, given that Phoenix is said to be Creation itself in this comic, I’d say that Phoenix’s role has been established as _Creation/Life_ - the antithesis of Lady Death.
She’s life and Death at the same time. She ranks higher than Death because she can never truly die. And ranks higher than Oblivion because she can emerge from nothing.
I'm praying for Saoirse Ronan to play her. She looks so much like Jean with red hair, and seems to have the personality to embody her as well.
@@ligeiasiren4290 girl same. Saoirse is phenomenal!!
@@WhitePhoenixJeanAllegedly she was approached to play Scarlet Witch and declined. But she has expressed interest in the Marvel cinematic universe in the past.
Hopefully she auditions for Jean, she's perfect for the role.
Holy shit I’m so stoked for your cosmic series 🤯
I thought Eternity wanted Storm as his pick now he wants Jean Grey too. Talk about greedy lol😅.
I don't think he wants Jean to be his herald. Jean is above such title.
He seemed to be there... just to give her advice, lol.
Eternity wasn't picking Jean. They were only making her realize where she should be. She's much higher than Eternity on the scale.
Thank you for sharing this.
Phoenix is and always has been THE most important Character in The Marvel - and ANY Comics Universe! Fight me!
Why he kinda look like Psycho Pirate in the thumbnail?
>Cool display of power
>Franklin Richards has entered the conversation
He can’t beat her in the way that Phoenix is all life and last time I checked that twink has a life force.
Does this mean we get a third Marvel most powerful characters tier?… or maybe the first DC tier?!
DC plz. Marvel rooster always changing
Would love for you to cover the new Storm & Black Lightning run both are starting off really strong
Jean Grey/Phoenix is more powerful than Franklin Richards and you can't change my mind. I can't wait for Thanos to be schooled by the Phoenix. LOL
No need to change mind. Im not sure what Rob was smoking when he went into that, but Jean would erase Franklin and every single being from existence instantly.
@@resulnakishe will became dark Phoenix version 2.0.
I happen to be aware of Neil Degrasse Tyson's "Cosmos" fx budget, so if you pull off something that looks that dope, that's going to be some wizardry.
Franklin would be nothing compared to Jean. She is multiversal and Franklin is universal.
Just goes to show as well the cosmic entities are on a different lvl. They just took the phoenix to another lvl
Another bit of cosmic lore I don't think you got around to was revealed in the recent Scarlet Witch series. She was shown to be beyond all nexus beings with Odin in the same issue being confirmed as a nexus being 👍🏿
Seems like the debate between Wanda vs Jean has been settled now. Jean is the most powerfully entity in the whole of Marvel after TOAA.
Why are you even mentioning Wanda? She’s not even a Nexus being. Wanda is literally omnipotent.
@@arc7375 The Living Tribunal is literally scared of Wanda.
why are you bringing wanda here?
@@droskie5 Wanda stans.
Some literally in this video’s comment section are writing “Wanda still solos” despite Jean being confirmed to be pretty much the most powerful entity under The One Above All.