Getting in the mind of a GrandMaster Johanna. (Gameplay with commentary)
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"Soak is so much more valuable than anything else" !!! PLEASE SAY THAT IN EVERY VIDEO FROM NOW, so even the deaf ones can get that into their brains.... It frustrates me, how many do not realize this.
"Waves are worth more than kills"
The statement is too much misleading to be honest. You should not explain it like that to a new/bad player.
They will often obsess with the soak and experience to the detriment of everything else, not ganking, not teamfighting, not taking camps, etc etc.
most of the time, yes but once you're level 20 soak is fairly meaningless to you; you want to push the map hard and focus on winning team fights or ganking people if they're out of position. (careful of baits though)
There's a lot to understand in heros, mainly when to do that; most new players don't even consider boss as an option unless the entire enemy team is dead but really, are they going to win a 3v5? steal your boss while they're on the other side of the map without a morales heroic? no
I really enjoy hearing paradox teach the values of soaking lanes but something i'd like the community to do; that may probably never happen, is actually listen and communicate.
Even in decently ranked hero league games people don't listen, never ask for help when their lane is pushed until it's too late and we hear "your tower has fallen" which could've been very easily avoided with a little communication; yes it can also be avoided by looking at the mini map and noticing someone is missing from the 3/4 man but nobody's perfect.
I have started to open most games with "remember between 0-10, 1 kill = 1 wave of exp"
@@mortisoculi8943 very false. 1 kill is less than 1 wave of exp. You have to get 2 kills to break even or come on top. Level 7 is when 1 kill equals 1 wave. After 10 1 kill is greater
Mentioned in the replies is correct. Soaking is more important in the early game. Hence why I barely join my team early then I am with them a lot in the end. I don't remember if I clarified that.
"hey jo we are fighting"
I'm still amazed by players who didnt pick tank, but are trying to tell the tank player how to rotate. You just can't have it both ways. If you dodge the responsibility of tanking and want someone else to do it, then its you who respects that players decision. If you got a Johanna clearing waves, then pay some damn attention to her movements, not just run your face into problems thinking the tank should be there.
Can't even tell how many times a game went into flaming and report threatening just because first someone doesn't look at the map to notice tank is not there, then goes ballistic when you suggest they should actually be following your lead, not the other way round.
"jo we are fighting" meanwhile johanna is distracting 2 of the enemy team including their healer so the ones 'fighting' are winning a 4 v 3.
@@auracle6184 this made me so mad 😂
Dismissive drive-by posting in a sensitive topic. Jesus Christ that happens way to much for me when I play Johanna, like were a heroic talent tier down and the team wants to go into a teamfight.
Johanna: Good thing I'm stalling 1v2 then, huh Simple Jack? 😂
johanna basically made them win the game lol
"Piano build"
I love that term
The thing with NotParadox is that he doesn't seem to be the kind of RUclipsr that only uploads his victories, even if he does.
The way he talks and explains things shows that regardless of a win or a lose, he still explains everythin and teaches you something.
I love your content, dude, by far one of the best Content Creators in the Heroes community. Your channel is way too good.
Also, if only people could subtitle your vida to Spanish, it would help a lot. I understand it because I know English, but every video I see, I feel that the Hispanic community could really appreciate your content.
Blessings upon you!
Okay so I want to move this comment to the top for a few reasons.
One like other youtubers I tend to post mostly wins. I do post losses but it's rare. The problem is when I am trying to teach the right thing to do I might win 60% of my games. So one though it works enough to move up in ranks showing that tactic in a loss might create too many arguments. Hence why my teaching videos tend to be wins.
To the second thing about subtitles in different languages. This is being talked about with people for options but it's a bit of a mess. People can write whatever they want in Spanish and I wouldn't ever know and the subtitles might get me in trouble if I ever wanted big sponsors. I have heard horrors stories so I am a bit cautious
@@NotParadoxthink about use google translate to check it, i really love your content from Italy ;)
@@NotParadox I am a little bit lazy about translating your videos myself ( It takes some part of your day, and it requires some patience)
But, if the moment comes, I offer myself to do it, if needed.
I understand that anyone can write anything there without your knowing, and might cause you some problems, it is hard to trust specially when you don't know that person.
In any case, my proposal is there, and I hope that eventually a decision is made, your content is way too good to pass up.
Zhade99 did you write this yourself dox? 😂
PLEASE keep on doing these. I get so much out of it. And after 3 years of HOTS, I finally understand it too!
Been gradually moving to a main tank role, and only “discovered” Johanna a couple of months ago. She just did not seem that impactful to me, compared to the flashy stuff you can do with, say, Diablo. But then I looked at her traits and I went like “WHAT? Slow, stun AND BLIND in one character??? HOLY MOLY!!! And all that self-sustain? OMG!!!” Seemed like the perfect antidote to idiot teams. Gonna use her more to finally move up the ranks (never got better than S1) despite all the idiot teams. Will keep u posted!!!
Cool mount. Always love your vids Paradox, this is my Heroes school. Thanks a lot!
In the bot lane vs sonya, I would've used condemn to stop his whirlwind. Not a huge deal, but still that extra lane bullying/lane pressure would've just been that little extra thing to create space to work with. Again, it's not a big deal and is really petty, but small petty things often make the difference.
Never seen Johanna played so well. I'm gonna have to put what I've learned here into practice. Thanks brother :)
I love this. Really upped my Jo game and helped me be more confident in some of my decision making.
Johanna was my first Maintank together with Anub 3 Years ago or so.
She may look simple but i realy like her into your face gameplay.
I really like these videos and feel like I always learn something from them. Thanks!
Love your guides, the best guide maker imo out there. Thanks!
would love to hear more about the more advanced techniques. My tip for maximum survivability with lvl20 indestructible is about the timing of your skills. If you see they are going to blow you up and you will die, save Laws of Hope and Iron Skin. Then when Indestructible triggers, you use Laws of Hope, this will heal you while the Indestructible shield protects your health. When The Indestructible shield wears off, you use Iron Skin. Using these skills in this order allows for maximum value of each one, and avoids stacking too much shielding and not getting maximum value out of both.
So order: Indestructible trigger > instant laws of hope> Iron skin when indestructible wears off.
Johanna is my main tank, ( not my all time main, that’s Varian ) but I learned so much from this and now I can get more W’s in QM! Thank you!
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Your advice in this video is counter to the advice that has been slung around in MOBA circles for years, "It's better to be wrong with your team than right by yourself" (or something along those lines). Yes, later on you join your team for teamfights and soaking, but your advice about soaking, and doing that despite your team raging at you for not going derp deep into teamfights, runs completely counter to pretty much all advice that has been given on HotS (and MOBA's in general). I know that you didn't get raged at, just a slightly passive agressive comment, but what you're saying is that soak is better than teamfights, especially teamfights that your team can't win, which most PUGs don't understand.
Nah, most o the time you better show dem pussies how to do it the right way even i it means ignoring their stupid actions.
1 right call is almost always better than 2 wrongs calls.. after a certain point. In the early game 1 wave of minions is worth like 3 kills. So your team can feed bot lane while you soak mid/top and you still come out even or ahead if the enemy missed both lanes. However, after lvl 10 ish is when the single plan starts to become more valuable. Now you are at a point where if you are not with the team and they get caught 5v4 they auto lose and get wiped and snowball starts to happen and the game gets out of hand really quick. But a bad 5v5 is better than a bad 4v5 where sometimes your mechanical skill in a team fight makes up the difference needed to offset bad positioning, or an enemy whiffs an ult and so on. past 16 you should almost never be alone, if they find you and you die it could be the end of the game or the end of a keep that becomes the end of the game later when they have 20 to your 18. So yes go with the team, but be the same lvl as the enemy if possible and that mostly matters before 10 getting to your ults but you don't want a 12v13 fight, but you don't want a 4v5 at 12v13 either.. sometimes you win 5v5 12 v 13. but it's the old all things held equal that just doesn't apply in mobas. every man/woman in the game is not equal so it's hard to evaluate. i'm rambling, hopefully this helped some
I would argue that the shared exp in HotS makes for different game play then LoL, Dota, or any other MOBA. In other MOBAs you personally can snowball ahead of your team or the enemy, but in HotS you can keep your team in the fight better be staying level with the enemy team.
Which is smarter depends on the situation. In the early game it's usually best to do the right thing by yourself to cut your losses, but as you get further into the game, deaths become more devastating, and you might simply lose if you don't win the next team fight. But you should in my opinion always consider both options.
@@eiknaurjensen7927 I agree that it's situational, its just that the original piece of advice has been spoken as gospel for years, and he's very clear about the "No, do it this way." in the video.
You can shift-click a movement command after hitting Z so you never mess up the movement after mounting. This works for the fountain as well
I feel like you could be popping your Iron Skin a lot more when you are taking damage and know where the stitches is. That way you can save up on health a little bit and be scarier when defending.
The thing to remember is it is only around a 20 second cooldown which means you can really use it whenever you feel like it in laning phase. In a teamfight of course you want to save it a bit more for the harder ccs but if those are already out then you can use it pretty freely to help mitigate damage and save your healer some time and mana.
But those are just my pleb thoughts, I don’t even own Johanna but I played a number of games with her while she was in the free rotation and I feel like I got the gist of her, she is a fairly easy hero after all.
"keep dying way too much so it gets really really difficult" man you are only 1 level behind at that point u said that
Watching those teammates engage in stupid fights had me shouting STOP. ENGAGING. at my screen, and it's not even my match... I don't understand how these braindead people get into reasonably high MMR games.
That engage at 21:15 was something I never would have ever considered going for but I guess that's the difference between platinum and grandmaster. God tier play there
Great video as always! It's amazing how you content you are uploading and it is always very high quality!
I look forward to your videos every day! Congrats on hitting 30k subs!
89 loot boxes???!?
Do the right thing and open them up!!!
2:40 alright, at least he is not dead
Since watching this video, my winrate has jumped by 30%. That.... says a lot about how much early soak contributes. Even if the team is like.. "WTF TANK WHERE ARE YOU"
1 day prior to picking up Johanna as my main tank, guess who put up a guide to GM? My main man Notparadox.
great video, love this series keep em coming my man!
Very well done guide, love it. Will be trying them out :D
Just putting it out there as a plat player climbing to diamond, and Johanna being the hero I am mostly using, the build was fine but I would rather pick up the q slow increase at 7. I have found it to really help with control, and picking up kills. It seems to give players enough time to realize that the player is killable, mix in some body blocks and the player I q usually dies. I know he covered it at the end, but just some friendly advise
This was an excellent video.
Love it. Very helpful!
Hey I'm new to your channel and I really enjoy your lessons! Thank you:)
It's frustrating when you do what's 'right' and one of your raging teammates throws the game because you're not doing what he thinks you should be doing. This has happened to me based on my level 1 talent choice.
Should defo use the trait way more often when trading since it's such a low cooldown.
Does lv7 battle momt. help lower the cd for joh trait?
no
ohyeshxD No, it doesn't it only lowers her basic abilities (Not trait).
Also, he didn't use it so much because they could burn it pretty fast, he used it primarily in the moment some hard Cc was coming for him, so the Unstoppable got most of the value.
Zhade99 that’s when I usually pop my trait when I know a cc is about to come into play. Better to have control over your hero than be cc’d.
When I get laws I pretty much only use my trait for specific CC and use laws for the damage. It's because in high ranks 1 specific cc leads to your death and using your shield too early people will focus you.
If I get the other talent at 1 I use it more liberally as its bigger with a lower CD.
i like dat clarification for talents at the beginning ^-^
Awesome video! :) I am linking this to some friends of mine :)
Thank you, much appreciated!
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The most interesting version so far :D
What's hard about trying this in QM is you got that one guy that can't be bothered to look at a minimap and make smart decisions. That guy usually plays someone like Uther or Valla. He will go facecheck the objective by himself, see 3 or 4 of the enemy team and think "my odds look good here". So now I'm down either a healer or one dps before a good fight can even break out. Now I'm thinking screw that I can just keep soaking, but the rest of my team is thinking "woah fight, I want in on some of that." So now they go trickle in 1 or 2 at a time. This game drives me up the wall. I'm sitting in low bronze because I spent a long time sucking and letting my kid play my account. Now I can't climb out because even a ranked game plays out like a QM. I can play the best possible game I can and it's literally a coin-flip whether the biggest morons are on my team or the enemy team. ELO hell is a real place, and I am in it.
got attacked by ninja XD
I would love to see a video on that scoop build, it sounds fun.
Thanks for useful video man
But did you slay those damn ninjas???
At least they've retreated.
@@FireW700 For now... gorram ninjas.
Think he did, in like 25 sec!
I recently had a game with Johanna which I pretty much felt playing exactly like you explained here.
Is there a map you wouldn‘t recommend Johanna on?
@NotParadox Is there any possibility to get you into watching the replay with me to tell me what I can improve on my gameplay there? Because sometimes I feel like I cannot change the way my mates are playing which is often times very awkward and results in stupid situations.
13:34 "I don't know exactly how we're dying though." Peeps keep overextending instead of attacking from a safe place. I'd say it partially has to do with the fact that they aren't playing to the Stitches and are over aggressive in reaching the enemy team's backline and their constant expectation for "Tank peel for me" without realizing that the enemy constantly flanked them. If everyone just poked from a safe distance, there wouldn't have been too many deaths.
thewatcherinthecloud more like the tank soaking lanes all game
Great vid as always, thx! I get it jojo is largely picked because of her waveclear, but can you plz talk a little more about her team fights? Like what to look for, when to use what ability(trait especially), what do you usually do after engaging etc? Thx
You should do a lost viking guide!
Now Johanna has more spells then elemental shaman in WoW :D
12:30 guldan almost dead and is sleeping. All your cooldowns are up and you're healthy with Mana. Big missed kill
My build on Johanna is so different, I should try this one. Soaking is an issue in QM.
Edit : I actually usually go with your second build but I usually use Holy Fury. I guess I've been doing it wrong all this time.
Just tried the wavclear build. It is awesome! We had a huge xp lead
This Johanna carry so nice
Great vid
Great video.
Pls do a scoop build game, would like to see how u engage on team fights.
Blessed shield - Sure it's faster than falling sword, but its no way instant. It has a travel time to take into consideration. Recent example was I used it to try and lock down a genji and li ming for a nazeebo zombie wall and other follow up, but between casting blessed shield Li Ming teleported and genji jumped, resulted in them stunned by shield behind their wall and an empty zombie wall. Still preferred ult 99% of the time though.
Great Video
hey NotParadox, liked all ur vids
Can u do another video for the other build?
8:03 getting in the mind of a GM that doesn't shift click :P
18:42 I laughed ahahahaha
Lol "got attacked by ninjas" 😂
abathur is the worst for people not knowing what you are doing
but i love him so much lol
Hey, what could be the utility of lvl 4 talent eternal retaliation? its the one that lowers the cd of w for every enemy hit. I saw it has a high win rate in battlefield of eternity and i cant figure out why.
Mini stroke at 2:34
Probius best boy
Great Video. This is how I play main tank blaze, but for some reason I have a way more success with him than Johanna, hopefully this will help, thanks
Great videos. Us Silver league players appreciate it lol
Everything he does/says seems to make sense, exept for one thing: why is he so hesitant to use his trait? I've literally seen him lose ~50% of his health in lane trades/random encounters and not pop shield MULTIPLE times, even though he has it off cooldown and there seems to be no point in saving it for somethig (because right after that he just leaves and takes no damage/cc whatsoever). Or am I missing out on something?..
Thanks=)
Considering Im a Jo main, curious what I dont already know.
You lost the level 12 fight because you let your Raynor get hooked and gorged
Had one game where it was worth hiding the chat lol. Scrub tier chat is an active detriment to any team always.
Woah Blessed Hammer interrupts? 24:55
Don't you use Z/Y to mount -> shift + click for a waypoint after your mounting finished? At least you faild at 11:05 :P
lsn't mind of grandmaster johanna just song immortalized on a loop ?
ser NPCan you get back down to basics like say;
-How to execute:
*Garrosh' loss _ss groundbreaker to toss
*Maiev' multiple (2-3 or more according to scenarios) umbral bind
--still secrets for an whom I consider an intermediate like myself.
Please and thank you.
Can you do a guide for fenix pls
Anyone know what mount that is?
Hey man could you do a Guldan guide of some sort?
could someone suggest me the best substitute of Johanna if she gets banned?
For doing the strategy which NotParadox has descrbied.
i think the last time you played at low ranks was a long time ago and your memory is a bit fuzzy. no, you can't leave your team to soak exp because they will feed twice the amount you soak in deaths to the opponents.
Damn iam realy done with Hots after reaching Master on 2 Accounts, beeing annoyed with HL and QM, Meta, Maps and balancing.
I only realy enjoy ARAM Brawls atm, which Blizzard dont put up lately.
But everytime i watch one of your Videos i want to play some Hots HL again. Hm maybe next Season.
Shin Tenkai going up to masters is hard at the low levels cause the team makes dumb plays that end up affecting the game.
Well don't play HL anymore, TL killed it. Unless you like 800 second queues instead of ~1 minute queues
No game sound?
8:18 why were u hearthing there?
Low mana and just pushed the wave into tower to die so my wave would die and their wave would grow.
@@NotParadox ah ok, thx!
That mount looks awesome! How do you get it?
It was the last season reward, so you won't be able to get it anymore.
by getting master+ last season in ranked
I saw you not using your trait much. Conscious decision? Feels like a mistake when you can use it just for the shield quite often especially when youre just soaking a lane and got a guldan tunelling into you or a tyrande + hanzo in lane with you.
if you go back and rewatch it he was actually using it for the unstoppable most of the time and just using laws of hope to get his health back. Most of the time a mistimed shield or using it too early can result in you being focused and killed
Johanna not Joanna.
He is american. So can't expect him to say Johanna correctly :P
@@Shadowsmoke11 Since roots of this name comes from France, it's really debatable which pronounciation is correct.
@@FireW700 The name Johanna comes from France? I thought it came from Scandinavian countries like Sweden or Norway.
@@Shadowsmoke11 Searched for a while and it seems that name's origin is Hebrew. Then, through Greek it comes to Europe and mostly used in Dutch, Sweeden, German, France and English speaking countries.
The reason I said it French is that someone linked a website with pronunciation of names of different countries by native speakers for the same topic; and name Johanna was marked as derived from France. I definatly should've searched more sources than trust a first one.
Great content, but I think it would be still better if you analysed a replay for a bit of distance. I can sense a lot of bias here. You set a goal for yourself - soaking and you are so dedicated to it, that every explanation sounds like post rationalisation. I'm not saying you were wrong. After all you are a grandmaster and this attitude when playing Johanna may very well be the right one, but if you said the same things when analysing a replay with the attitude: "let's see what I could do better" it would be much more credible. Oh wait, the title is "Getting in the mind...". nvm, carry on please.
Dude why in the hell don’t press your trait when they poke you, is fkin free shield but in lane you don’t use it, when you engage you don’t use it. It is not a last resort tool to escape death: it prevents to go close to death because Johanna is stupidly tanky
As mentioned in a couple talents when I go laws of hope I save the trait for specific cc as in higher ranks if you wast trait for damage you will get blown apart and stun locked. When I go the other level one I use it a bit more liberally
NotParadox hmmmmm ok seems legit, I watched this video when I was eating and in some way I didn’t catch this statement of yours
Why don't you use your d more often? You take a bunch of damage every time and not use d. E.g. at 8:40
Honestly you didn't play right you just got lucky. You had an enemy team that had Hanzo, Sonya, and Guldan and they did not dominate their lanes. The enemy team didn't play right and you got lucky. There was no good reason you should've been able to double soak when you compare the two comps. But it was qm and the solo tank with a squishy back line got really lucky this game.
The Ana in this game has some awful game chat input.
I have to complain again, Paradox...
If you are doing a Getting into the Mind of a Grandmaster, you should BE playing as a Grandmaster, on ranked...
I remember a video (I believe it was with Abathur) when you did a replay of a real Grandmaster game when you explained the way you played. That was awesome, but if you make this videos playin on QM, where the people you are playing against are not (probably)as good as the Grandmasters you are playing against on ranked, its not as serious as it should be.
This should be beneficial for your content in terms of knowledge and visual. For example, for knowing how it is on the high leagues, for understanding the maps that are played on ranked (I mean, no Garden of Terror, Mines, Warhead Junction, etcétera), and, as important as what it is to play on ranked, in this video you show how the difference about map-knowledge and exp contribution importance is a game-changing thing. As everyone saw, your teammates werent playing with prepared drafts and with heroes that they know how to play best, and they didnt understand how important rotations, exp and when to give up objectives the same way as you did. I say this things because it should’ve been Thrall who was the one rotating and double soaking, not you, not Johanna as a main tank. Your build is perfect, even for maintanking, and I say it because I use Johanna constantly on ranked (I got from Bronze 5 (sorry, early times) to Gold 2) and she is amazing for waveclear and peeling for her team, and that should’n be wasted by playing her more as a the solo laner than the main tank, actually, you show me that in one of your videos I think haha.
So, I say this as an advice for your wonderful channel that has helped us so much improving on HOTS, PLEASE show us how the real part of a Grandmaster Mind like yours plays with Jo on the field.
I love your videos and I believe you can do better on this series, that has a LOT of potential. Never stop yourself to innovate because you will not be “as concentrated in explaining than playing”, you are really good at this game and I know you can teach us from your own source (like from YOU being the one you play, not a pro game).
Keep it up, boss!
man i've been saying this in every "getting into the mind of a grandmaster' video he's put out. They're literally all qm games and i understand that commentating and playing is hard, i play way better when i'm not talking and actually focusing but he can surely do post commentary and still know what he was thinking during any particular moment in a game. definitely would be way more beneficial when he's using a hero against an actual team comp with competent players or at least players closer to his mmr who understand the flow of a game. These qm vids are helpful with basic game knowledge but that's about it
laws of hope against that enemy teamcomp is in imo stupid
over the entirety of the game, you didnt press D to negate dmg on your HP bar even when you knew you wouldnt have a TF for the next 20sec.... its a 20sec cooldown man cmon
10:00 you lost this fight because you thought you could save raynor instead of peeling the enemy of your team... if someone gets gorged and put under fort or keep and the towers, and that dude isnt a tank he wont survive...
also if you want to this kind of stuff in the future, do HL and not QM or Unranked, but thats just my personal flaw this vid
The johanna soak kept them in the game. This is the frustrating part of the game for me, when the team goes in 3v5 for an unnecessary objective (like 1/3,) while we're down a talent.
That lv10 vs lv9 fight was hard to watch...
I actually think that, even if u are a great player, this time, at least for the first 13 mins you actually played bad. No peel in fights, and played as an off tank/laner
There was some questionable plays. His Joh went to set up kills but Sonya Hanzo just rekting their backline
@@Teal-ism Raynor and Ana were also getting hit by a good amount of stuff they could have dodged.
Its ok the fact that u can lane and bla bla bla. But ur team needed a tank. And they hadnt for at least 15 mins
I joined them for every objective except the one down level 10s. Every other fight wasn't worth the experience I could get by simple covering soak.
Well i stopped watching when I realized you didnt keep your Condemn a single time to interrupt Sonya in waves ? Lol wtf.
Also chasing with Johanna in teamfight wtf ?
Maybe rest of the video is good, but already in the first minutes I see 2 major mistakes so I'm gonna leave right away
I really don't agree with this video at all. I like the Johanna wave clear build and I understand it's uses and strength, but this video doesn't show or give justice to this build at all. You didn't keep up with soak even though you said so in the video. You were just over a level behind them when they hit 10. You lost two gates, two camps and the objective and three team mates who were no longer soaking just so you could wave clear bot in the start. Your team didn't need you to soak bot and you didn't even communicate it.
I get that it's just some non-ranked match, but if you did what you did in this video during ranked, you'd lose. The team would've just pushed the shit out of mid the second you left to go soak bot on a team where you heroes that could've easily solo laned or soaked.
On top of that, when you were bot lane, you didn't even use Condemn to interrupt sonya's whirlwind. Sure you ended up winning, but that really wasn't because of your lane clear or soak. This video DOES NOT highlight why this build is good and I would go even further and say this is exactly how/when NOT to use the wave clear build.