LOL the first time I ride a dirt bike (was already very good rider of ATV and three wheelers) I stalled in a swampy rock garden and realized the kick starter fell off. LOL I had to bump start it and never stall again the whole ride and it was some nasty stuff. LOL
I'm a very good rider of DH MT bikes and I've understood that motocross riders need the motor to slow them and it's missing on electric motobikes. Build in a a way to slow the bike when throttle lifts and make it so you can dial it in to your needs and you will will rule the motocross world
That's exactly what he explained towards the beginning of the segment on the Electric Motion bike @3:42. The regeneration does exactly what you are asking about, and it works the same in electric cars as well. When you let off the throttle, the motor takes your inertia and converts it back to electric power, charging the battery slightly and slowing you down. The secret sauce is getting the perfect amount of regen for your style of riding, but that's one of the tweaks that will be available to electric rider teams in the future to gain an advantage.
Step one to make your enduro bike lighter: Buy a 2 stroke. Step one to understanding quoted torque figures from electric vehicle manufacturers: They lie, you can divide my 10 in most applications for torque delivered at the wheel. Sure the motor might be capable of the quoted torque (at the spindle output after the reduction gearbox), but no controller is allowing anything like that amount to be delivered to the wheel, not a single one.
Watch out for your battery catching on fire. It might be that the batteries on off road bikes experience enough shaking to prevent the the kind of build up of particles that cause the short out fires.
You're more likely to have a gasoline powered bike to catch fire than a battery powered one. Since it literally works by combusting fuel, you constantly have a small fire burning between your legs. It only takes the wrong angle for fuel to spill out and start burning. If, however, you do manage to puncture your battery somehow, that fire will be more difficult to contain than a petrol-fueled one. Not impossible, just more difficult. Any kind of electrical short outside of the armored battery will most likely not cause a significant fire. The wire insulation may burn off, and possibly the plastics on the body of the bike itself, but the battery isn't going to go up in flames.
Never?.. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 to 15 years we would see some significant shits towards electric in MX and Enduro. Stark Varg is already pretty impressive. For trials it's almost certain. We already have EM, Mecatecno, Yamaha and GasGas building electric competition level trials bikes (some production, some factory-only). Many kids are growing up riding electric trials and MX bikes. It would greatly help with land access issues, ability to have tracks closer to cities or even within a city. Broader potential market of hobby riders - people who don't want to deal with maintenance of a gasoline engine and everything that comes with it, younger generations that are more "environmentally conscious", etc. The perception of non-riding public is definitely better when it comes to electric dirtbikes vs gasoline bikes.
@@wild_trail_flow I guess if they put charging stations up in north eastern Ontario in the middle of nowhere, maybe. Hard core enduro riders that do two to three hundred kilometres over a weekend are not their target audience I guess. As a novelty or like the go cart tracks of old I can see it.
@@TheKitchenTechnician I was thinking more about the competitive side of things (e.g. trials, MX/SX, enduro GP, GNCC, Superenduro, short distance hard enduro events, etc). It obviously won't work well for remote enduro or adventure riding, desert rallies, races like Romaniacs (if they keep the current format). I myself live in central Greece close to an area called Agrafa - a fairly remote mountain range with practically no infrastructure like gas stations, etc. In area like that electric bikes won't work unless the battery capacity significantly improves. My last enduro bike was a Beta RR390 with a 19l rally tank. Event that tank capacity isn't always enough for some of the longer exploration rides that I do. My trials bike is a TRRS Xtrack with the larger tank + some fuel bottles in the backpack.
@@TheKitchenTechnician for me, if it wasn't for the surron X, i would have never even started this sport. Now i own an ultra bee, and for me, its very good. Yes, range is limited, but i usually get out of juice before my bike does. Yes, its not for everyone or all scenarios, but the electric word is evolving so fast... I wouldn't be surprised to have 2x battery capacity on bikes in 5-10 years.
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I'm new to dirt bikes and have an Ultra-bee. I love it riding enduro.
As an owner of EM Comp and Talaria Sting-100% agreed!!!!
Fascinating video! What a humble guy! 👏
Awsome vid and really well presented.
Totally agree. They are also way less maintenance. Time will tell, but they will most likely last much, much longer.
24 escape xr on order. Finally EM is offering an actual traditional dirt bike.
what's the FORTNINE affiliation?
Someone probably forgot to trademark it
I was an employee of the company when i made this.
LOL the first time I ride a dirt bike (was already very good rider of ATV and three wheelers) I stalled in a swampy rock garden and realized the kick starter fell off. LOL I had to bump start it and never stall again the whole ride and it was some nasty stuff. LOL
nice work good vid
I'm a very good rider of DH MT bikes and I've understood that motocross riders need the motor to slow them and it's missing on electric motobikes. Build in a a way to slow the bike when throttle lifts and make it so you can dial it in to your needs and you will will rule the motocross world
That's exactly what he explained towards the beginning of the segment on the Electric Motion bike @3:42. The regeneration does exactly what you are asking about, and it works the same in electric cars as well. When you let off the throttle, the motor takes your inertia and converts it back to electric power, charging the battery slightly and slowing you down. The secret sauce is getting the perfect amount of regen for your style of riding, but that's one of the tweaks that will be available to electric rider teams in the future to gain an advantage.
Step one to make your enduro bike lighter: Buy a 2 stroke.
Step one to understanding quoted torque figures from electric vehicle manufacturers: They lie, you can divide my 10 in most applications for torque delivered at the wheel. Sure the motor might be capable of the quoted torque (at the spindle output after the reduction gearbox), but no controller is allowing anything like that amount to be delivered to the wheel, not a single one.
Watch out for your battery catching on fire. It might be that the batteries on off road bikes experience enough shaking to prevent the the kind of build up of particles that cause the short out fires.
You're more likely to have a gasoline powered bike to catch fire than a battery powered one. Since it literally works by combusting fuel, you constantly have a small fire burning between your legs. It only takes the wrong angle for fuel to spill out and start burning. If, however, you do manage to puncture your battery somehow, that fire will be more difficult to contain than a petrol-fueled one. Not impossible, just more difficult. Any kind of electrical short outside of the armored battery will most likely not cause a significant fire. The wire insulation may burn off, and possibly the plastics on the body of the bike itself, but the battery isn't going to go up in flames.
Electric, you can keep it. Trials, maybe, enduro, never.
Never?.. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 to 15 years we would see some significant shits towards electric in MX and Enduro. Stark Varg is already pretty impressive. For trials it's almost certain. We already have EM, Mecatecno, Yamaha and GasGas building electric competition level trials bikes (some production, some factory-only). Many kids are growing up riding electric trials and MX bikes. It would greatly help with land access issues, ability to have tracks closer to cities or even within a city. Broader potential market of hobby riders - people who don't want to deal with maintenance of a gasoline engine and everything that comes with it, younger generations that are more "environmentally conscious", etc. The perception of non-riding public is definitely better when it comes to electric dirtbikes vs gasoline bikes.
@@wild_trail_flow I guess if they put charging stations up in north eastern Ontario in the middle of nowhere, maybe. Hard core enduro riders that do two to three hundred kilometres over a weekend are not their target audience I guess. As a novelty or like the go cart tracks of old I can see it.
@@TheKitchenTechnician I was thinking more about the competitive side of things (e.g. trials, MX/SX, enduro GP, GNCC, Superenduro, short distance hard enduro events, etc). It obviously won't work well for remote enduro or adventure riding, desert rallies, races like Romaniacs (if they keep the current format). I myself live in central Greece close to an area called Agrafa - a fairly remote mountain range with practically no infrastructure like gas stations, etc. In area like that electric bikes won't work unless the battery capacity significantly improves. My last enduro bike was a Beta RR390 with a 19l rally tank. Event that tank capacity isn't always enough for some of the longer exploration rides that I do. My trials bike is a TRRS Xtrack with the larger tank + some fuel bottles in the backpack.
@@TheKitchenTechnician for me, if it wasn't for the surron X, i would have never even started this sport. Now i own an ultra bee, and for me, its very good. Yes, range is limited, but i usually get out of juice before my bike does. Yes, its not for everyone or all scenarios, but the electric word is evolving so fast... I wouldn't be surprised to have 2x battery capacity on bikes in 5-10 years.