Democracy as an institution only works well when you have an peaceful society who understand the benefits and are able to vote for their choice without being influenced by hatred, misunderstanding, and tribalism. Following Rwanda's genocide, only a "sane" strong man like Kagame could hope to forge a better country. Rwanda's opportunity for democracy will come slowly as the scars of the genocide fade. Besides building motorcycles, Rwanda has accomplished much including being the first country in the world to have a female majority in parliament. None of the western countries started out with democracy either, it all took them centuries to get there. And even now we are finding that there are several whose democracies are crumbling because they are being influenced by hatred, misunderstanding, and tribalism. Before judging Rwanda or some of the other more stable and prosperous African countries, we should first consider the alternatives.
@@kob2337 Switzerland has actually been a democracy for quite a few more centuries than the United States. On August 1, they will celebrate 731 years of independence and democracy. The main difference is that the USA is a representative democracy while Switzerland is a direct democracy.
@@marcrcbally that’s not really true since they have been vassal states of both the French and rome empire for quite some time. The way they are today has been established in the 19 century so after the American democracy
This idea of some sort of linear 'progressive' political system - from dictatorship to oligarchy to democracy - is nothing but wishful thinking. The world isn't and hasn't ever been so neat. Democracy is not inevitable, nor is it final. History doesn't 'end' with liberal democracy, as that hack Fukuyama claims, history marches on and change is the only constant. Rwanda isn't going to become a democracy in the fullness of time, or alternately it might become a democracy tomorrow. A thousand and one factors - political, social, economic, technological and environmental - will shape its future, and what form that future takes is impossible to predict. Also Rwanda's female majority parliament is largely for show. It's not a natural result of election, but an engineered one by Kagame for the purpose of the country's foreign image. Those female legislators have virtually no power but are beholden to whim of a man.
You can also do comparison on Botswana Vs Zimbabwe. One (Botswana) got independence as the 2nd poorest country in the world with no infrastructure, 3 missionary Schools, 11 graduates, 4km Tarred road, No capital city to being an African success story being an Upper Middle Income Economy, Africa’s longest continues democracy, Highest Human Development Index in Africa and ranked most prosperous Vs Zimbabwe that inherited Africa’s most advanced economy, developed infrastructure, Africa’s bread basket to being considered a failure today with highest inflation in history etc
Rwanda is a textbook case that democracy is a luxury that is nice to have, but not necessarily something that is seen as a fundamental right, especially in the developing world. When your people are starving and desperate, concepts such as having a liberal democracy and voting for your leaders are a distant thought compared to putting food on the table and having a stable livelihood. When your people are able to meet their basic needs, when they have food, shelter and security, only then can they actually start considering whether a democracy is something they can and should push their country towards. If democratic leaders failed to provide for their people, then its no surprise that they turn to authoritarian leaders. We see this even in developed countries all across the world, with those who were left behind and feel that the people in power keep failing to help them. They keep trying to vote in democratic leaders, only for them to be disappointed every time, so they turn to the authoritarians. I don't think for most of them this is because they actually support authoritarianism, but because they're desperate for someone, anyone, who might help them. Democracy has failed them, so what do they have to lose by trying out authoritarianism?
Your analysis fails on a single point - almost *all* of post colonial sub Sahara history is dominated by authoritarian Governments. It is interesting that you use a single data point (Rwanda) to extol the virtues of authoritarianism when a single glance at African history will tell you that 99% of dictatorships have been utter failures that ruined their countries. And most of the countries that are actually growing - Botswana, Ghana, Nigeria, Ethiopia etc started doing so when they liberalised. Ie they are certainly not perfect democracies but their growth came in a period where they moved towards liberalization.
@@MA-go7ee I am not entirely sure where u got the idea that I was giving a full throated endorsement of authoritarianism, since that was not the point of my comment at all. It was to point out that simply flipping over to a democracy alone is not enough to bring prosperity because what drives growth and investments is the rule of law, security and economic liberalisation (as u had pointed out), things that sometimes come with, but are not always guaranteed with democratic reforms. Too many times a country flips into a democratic system in the hopes that things would improve, but in the whole euphoria ultimately don't really change anything else, creating what can sometimes be an even worse system than the one that came before, or at best a system that is crippled by its shackles to its past. Since we're on the topic of Africa, we can look at the current data to illustrate this. Investment Monitor's African investor guides lists only Botswana and Ghana as being the only truely free democracies as rated by the Freedom Index among their top 5 countries in Africa, with Egypt, Morocco and Tanzania occupying the remaining slots. Clearly, despite having more authoritarian tendencies, these countries have somehow managed to win over investors over their more liberal and democratic counterparts in the continent. Yes, authoritarian regimes general do worse than democracies in all except a few standout cases such as China, Rwanda and some would argue Singapore. In those rare cases they do better, far more so, because they provide a better overall package to the investment community than their neighbouring peers. In all of them, they initiated economic liberalisation without the accompanying democratic reforms that would usually be associated with them, and still somehow managed to win over the business community to become or initiate the process to become economic powerhouses.
Believe that until you get a corrupt dictator that carts all your tax money to Switzerland and makes anyone who raises questions to disappear. The fact is Kagame is a good thing for Rwanda but he is also an outlier. African dictators are never benevolent.
Rwanda is just a puppet state small enough for the luxuries given to them by their overlords for doing the dirty work make the country look nice for the metrics and in the capital.
same case here in Indonesia, the government being more authoritarian but the people are more united and less sectarian. less freedom of speech so its gonna be no racism is the beginning key for a mid-low income multi ethnic country towards developement
I did my humans rights dissertation on Burundi. It was horrifying to see the amount of ethic cleansings that happened under Nkurunziza and his government. It makes you lose faith in humanity.
@TylerDurden Ethnic cleansing?? Clearly throw your human rights dissertation in the trash indeed, you can mention a couple presidents before him ik you can do better than tht.
BECAUSE RUSSIA DEMON PROVOKED IT. IN 1984 YEAR. KANTANO HABLAMANA WHO WAS STUDING IN USSAR WHO GOT JOURNALIS. HE CAME BACK IN RWANDA 1989. HE WAS AGENT OF USSAR. IT RUSSIA DEMON COUNTRY. IT RUSSIA PROVOKED GENOCIDE BETWEEN TUTSI AND HUTU
Colonisation/imperialism is not charity, it's primarily to benefit the colonialists. These people are adults and once independent they are wholly responsible for their actions.
Rwanda and Burundi in precolonial times weren't as homogeneous as you say. The distinctions, Tutsi and Hutus, did exist but they were more markers of social class than ethnicity. Hutus were the local Bantu population and were predominantly agriculturists whiles the Tutsis were descendants of later migrants (probably of Cushitic descent) and were mostly cattle herders. The Tutsis did serve as the upper class but there's no evidence of violence between and according to some sources, it was certainly possible for a self-made Hutu to be accepted as a Tutsi or a Tutsi who lost his wealth to be demoted to the status of a Hutu. They weren't exactly different races or even ethnic groups but they weren't entirely made up by Belgian officials.
Yes, this idea that Rwanda was a peaceful country until the Belgians came is absolutely incorrect. If anything the colonial period marked a significant slow down of the violence.
@@ChilapaOfTheAmazons It didn’t. The colonial administration’s actions killed 300K in Rwanda in 1944, probably the same in Burundi. And it was the same administration that launched genocide for the very 1st time in Rwandan history (1959 - 1962). Such solid historical facts shouldn’t be fudged so casually.
When you simplify this just think you're an agriculturalist and some guy comes around from no where with 50 cows to destroy your corn the simplest things can start wars it's turned into something completely different now obliviously because of the Belgiums but I'm sure this was the fight before the Belgiums 😂
Is it also even possible that Rwanda just got more international exposure & attention? The term "Rwandan genocide" is something that has been burned into the mind of the international community to some degree, but not the case for Burundi.
The genocide had chased all business and none was interested in rwanda after the genocide and no financial aid could fix that so after that rwanda had to make a choice they made country one of the cleanest and safest in the world thats what attracts tourist and rwanda is known for using its aid very well since corruption is low in the country
I think it's better to have results than democracy when you can't have both. Democracy is nice, but what good is it when you're poor and starving in a war torn area? Therefore, stability is better than democracy when you cannot have both.
The problem is that when leadership has to change the country may become unstable again. Everyone with ambition will be aspiring to be the next leader for life. I think most democracies do have a setup period but unless they lay the foundation and leave office to allow for an election it may be back to being a war torn country with poor prospects.
You got a point. The problem is if a dictatorship starves you there's no way of complaining, in a democracy you can. That's why there's almost never a starving democracy.
@@NickSteffen Democracies are often unstable too. Look at how many govts. Israel has had in the last few years. Other democracies have gone through literal years without a govt. simply because they can't agree on one, stalling all policy (and sometimes even struggling to pass the annual budget!) until some sort of arrangement is reached. In advanced nations it's the (non-democratic) bureaucracy that keeps the state running during such times, but in less settled establishments it's just chaos
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Israel is one of the richest countries in the world, just because they have a coalition in power doesn’t mean it’s unstable. They are really rich, richer, than Finland, Belgium,Germany, France, Japan and the uk.
In small dictatorships it's problematic to talk bout GDP per Capita, since it's easily affected by a small group of very rich organizations that are close to the government. They could become richer while the general population (which isn't large) remains poor.
He fails to mention Rwanda is still poor by African standards too lol 🤣 You’d be much better off in a richer but less populated country like Botswana or Gabon or just a bigger and richer country like Kenya or Tanzania. Even Congo and Uganda which are poorer per capita so also poor by African standards have more general economic opportunities than Rwanda just by being bigger economies with a good amount of resources. The only resources Rwanda has are stolen from the Congo anyways.
As a Rwandan, current leadership is what Rwandans love and honestly need. I don’t understand how some in the west call it dictatorship, when it is a democratically elected government. If it works for Rwandans and Rwandans love it it’s what matters. Whatever label you put on it doesn’t matter to a Rwandan.
All dictatorships are not horrible and unpleasant But Rwanda is in-fact a dictatorship A good one that works for you I agree but nonetheless it is still a dictatorship
I live in Rwanda and understand exactly why people call it a dictatorship. fact us many people know that the government isn't the best democratic one but that doesn't matter when you literally rise a country from the ashes. Rwandans are happy as conditions are better and don't really care about what the West call their precious country
if those labels dont matter to rwandans, why then you complain? 😂😂😂 I grew up in east germany, and I know how "democratic" those elections were when one party alone always got over 90% 😜
well, as a Rwandan, your story on my country is 60% accurate, however I appreciate your interest in African countries. just don't believe every thing you read on the internet or from MSM mostly because most of them are owned by the same people who let that genocide happen in Rwanda. I would advise to go on the ground for real info. on democracy side, well African don't believe in a universal model of democracy, mostly when so called democratic countries impose their "ideals" to other nations regardless of their culture or say which I think is contrary to the very essence of "democracy"
"rwandan genocide" you say? that, right there, would land you a 15-year jail time if you utter that phrase in public here in Rwanda. it's "genocide against tutsis". Get your facts right!
Burundi is just crippled by many unfavorable economic and political stituation. Since 2015, burundi was placed under economic sanctions: no US dollar, no trade with western world; so think what sanctions does to a country to rely on import export. On the other hand Rwanda has funds pulling from all over the world. This type of division is always apparent in Africa, because it’s easy to sabotage a region. I don’t think is by accident that Burundi can’t develop: Belgium and France have a hand in it because the government of today is not their fanatics. Everybody knows and that is why there is always a claim of human right issues. Every country should have the right to it’s judicial instutions.
That is what we call leadership, Kagame at first kicked out France because it was treating Rwanda as a colony and now Rwanda is leading francophone countries, in 2012 the west and uk withdrew all aid to Rwanda and now Rwanda is leading the commonwealth etc… a very wise and strategic leader is the one to pull strings for his country its not by western mercies.
Of coarse, these documentary rarely have the rigor to investigate the involvement of foreign countries in the ongoing military, geo-political and economical predation of the country. Stunting the industrial growth, freedom in trade and autonomous economy. It is too profitable make the mistake to let them develop by themselves. Especially when you can import fabricated problems with neighbour countries without lifting a finger and masking the true interest (minerals, trade, military control of regions close to the DRC).
Visualpolitik never disappoints, always on top notch on their research and truth about the information they give. As a Kenyan i agree with this information 💯. Please cover some episodes about East African community.
This is not completely accurate. Burundi does have natural resources such as: calbolt, nickel, uranium, gold and much more. They just haven't created stability within the nation to gain the investor's trust like Rwanda. Leadership still needs refining, but Burundi will rise eventually. Main exports are coffee and tea to list a few.
Among the things you forgot to mention about Rwanda: - 97% of Rwandans have health insurance, - 100% school enrolment from 1st to 12th grade - Their government has removed 2 million people from poverty since taking office - Rwanda has food security and is a big exporter in the region - They rank 1st in the world for gender inclusion with over 60% of women that make up ministerial positions in the cabinet, judiciary system and equal pay and opportunity in the workforce. - It ranks as the 6th safest country in the world. - It’s the cleanest country in the world, they even have a social cleaning day every end of the month - I’ve personally visited. - First country to ban plastic bags - Voted fastest transforming country of the last 2 decades. - Voter among the most effective governments by the world bank and other independent auditors
The thing people don't understand, is that you can't treat Africa the same as Europe or the America's. The political development never happened on the continent till much much later in history compared to the rest of the world. So what Rwanda is doing is actually very very good. Not good to western standards, but you have to compare them to other countries on the African continent
That's very interesting! Despite having the exact same geopolitical forces (population, culture, geography, history, ~neighbors and so on) they developed VERY differently. It is a strong example against the idea that the geopolitical forces are the main factor that determines a country's policy and fate. An idea which I generally support, and now have to re-evaluate...
The World should know that during precolonial era Tutsi, Hutu and Twa never have been ethnic groups, never, it was just socio-ecinomic classification of population both in Burundi and Rwanda, as you all know both countries ruled by kings , in kingdom there is hierarchy ( leadership is rolated in single family, father/mother to his/her child) and it was good for these two kingdoms. So during colonisation what socia- economic classification change to ethnicity not by citizens but by colonizers ( just divide and rule).
@@1wun1 there weren't any Hutu Kings. never. the Tutsi, Hutu and Twa were just like social classes. Matter of fact, there are also clans which actually get passed from father to son. and it is not rare to find someone with different clans but different "ethnic" groups
Despite their present issues, the nation of burundi has existed for centuries. That's an achievement an extremely low number of countries today can ever hope to reach.
I'm always surprised by how people define democracy and how it's either that or dictatorship. You can't just take two, three elements to describe both political governance. If you talk about human rights and equal it to freedom of expression (that sometimes includes hate speeches) without thinking that quality and affordable education, health,... are part of those rights, then there's a problem. Rwanda has been challenging the concept of democracy vs dictatorship and for those who are really interested in that, should take their time and study this case without any prejudice or sense or supremacy. With the failures that we are seeing in the so called big democracies, it has time that we should give chance to locally made models that respond to local problems. There is no such thing as importing a political governance. You borrow from there and there and mix up something that suits the needs of people. At the end one may need food for his family, good schools for his/her kids, good hospitals, freedom to exercise his business, better infrastructure and other HUMAN RIGHTS rather than the so-called "freedom of speech". Something that people in those old and big democracy may find difficult to understand. If Paul Kagame is actually being voted by his people through fair elections and he's delivering the real human rights to his people, developing his country with the history that we all know, you may call him names but at some points we may understand that the Rwandans, which actually exist and people who like you and me, are the first beneficiaries and are the one who count. You visit that country, you get new perspective.
The ones who claim to be the most democratic are the ones who give the least freedoms. In some of these countries like USA, England and Australia we saw the real truth during the pandemic. We can't say religious beliefs, some religions are allowed to prosper while others are suppressed. We can't speak on basic biology. In the end, it's all just words. All the political parties go to work in the same office. All have it cosy and won't change anything to disturb that. A dictatorship with the right dictator would actually be more beneficial in most circumstances I'd say.
Rwanda is democratic, it has defined its own version that works well with its own fate which is "Consensual Democracy" where people have to sit together and agree on what to do instead of disagreeing in media and on streets of cause with building competitive public institutions that makes sure things are done correctly, that's why Rwanda ranks well in low corruption, good governance, security and service delivery not just in Africa but outperforms even developed countries like UK, US, Portugal, France, China, Russia, Turkey and more in some of those rankings. The issue is that the west doesn't want someone else to strive forward, or have a different working system not one dictated by them, so they use their media and power to sabotage anyone who tries to do differently.
Well said my brother As long as he is doing well for his people and his country. And his people love him Who cares if he takes more than 50 years in power. Can we compare rewanda to other Africa countries which democracy? They are far better than most African countries with democracy that full of currupt government
Sorry Rwanda needs such a leader at least after what happened. What the man has done is nothing less than amazing. Nothing is perfect but he will leave his country 10x better then he found it. I consider that a success. People won't tolerate incompetence after he leaves.
They suffered from nearly the same serious crises from Rwanda in the north, but they not only had one but *two* major genocides. In 1972 the Tutsi government massacred hundreds of thousands of Hutus and in 1993 (year before the Rwandan genocide!) the Hutu government massacred hundreds of thousands of Tutsis And for some reason the second Burundian genocide marked the start, not the end, of the civil war. Many issues are still not resolved, e.g. that video of red water might be blood from a tortured Burundian even though Burundi abolishes death penalty since 2009.
Yugoslavia was under Tito dictatorship for 35 years, and 10 more years under communist government. We are under democracy for 30 years now. And yet, only Slovenia has reached GDP level it had in 1989, others are still terrible. So, sometimes, good dictator is better than bad democracy, because political stability is much more important than freedom of speech - democracy only works if you stable institutions to begin with.
True, same case in my country also. Long ago during in dictator rule, our country were 2nd most developed in asia on that time next to japan until where the biggest manipulators and liars ruled the country. It became the exact opposite. Over democracy can be a hindrance to development.
@@orvenpamonag2234 democracy itself is not a bad system just like autocracy isn’t a bad system. They all thrive under good leadership however what irks me is when people try to paint one as good and the other as evil. Democracy doesn’t work for every country Africa is a continent that is a perfect example of the failed system of democracy. Sometimes the right leader in cases like Paul Kagame and Gadafi are what’s best for a country.
No such thing as a good dictator, and political stability (and independance) can only happen with democracy, with the (temporary) leader taking power from the people which would stop coups and not allow foreign intervention.
@@samueldb684 Gadafi was a monster and the chaos happened because he wanted it to and opened the country to militias and spread weapons, just like Saleh in Yemen, peaceful transition wa perfectly possible in Libya but that loser couldn't let it happen and wanted to take revenge against his people for daring to go against him. Rwanda and Libya haven't tried democracy yet for you to say that a dictator is best for them, the same for the other countries you're implying I'm sure.
I wish i could justify this by the fact that Rwanda have benefited from the term "Rwandan genocide" to be that respected and helped by international countries, but the truth is that my country, Burundi, is being held by a cruel, ruthless and careless leadership, while the Rwandan leadership has developed their image of a safe and hardworking country. If we had a good leadership we could have also developed at the same pace since we all share the same history and a disadvantageous geographical location.
Same here I wish for the same I wouldn't care if he will take more than 50 years in power And long as he has his people and his country best in heart. And his country is doing fine who cares.
Am from both countries This video its so perfect 👌 From now on I can truth your opinion Am proudly burundian One thing you forgot to check ( its alcohol its killing Burundians
Having a low GDP / capita doesn't equal to poverty. First and foremost it indicates the lack of large companies that inflate the GDP as well as foreign investment. People can still live good lives if the prices are cheap and there are abundant resources available to the locals. It's often this abundance in resources is what keeps the market prices low (i.e. no one wants to buy your fruit cause everyone already has a lot), leading to a situation where money is little but all basic human necessities are provided. Malawi is the best example of this but Burundi is similar.
There is another theory as well. Prices could be low due to lack of demand. And lack of demand is due to low income levels. Of course, the GDP per capita alone is not enough to decide the standard of living of the country. Its only one of the parameters.
BURUNDI has the most organic manufacturer FOMI industry which produced the best fertilizer in EAC and CENTRAL AFRICA .
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I see a lot of people making this huge mistake on RUclips channels. BURUNDI and *****RWANDA HAVE NATURAL RESOURCES ******* - Burundi has copper, cobalt, nickel, feldspar, phosphate rock, quartzite, and rare reserves of uranium, gold and vanadium. - tantalum, tin ore, tungsten, lithium, gold and so on. The good thing is that the Burundian resources are untapped.
Well...maybe they don't and I hope they can eat pride because that's the only thing they have according to their economies. Rwanda did well pride is not worth starving for..
Rwanda is poor though. I'm a congolese but honestly, rwanda would be rich if that was the case but they are as poor as all the other countries in the region. Only southern Africa is somewhat developed.
Lies and lies. Millions of the 1965 killing victims were mainly native Indonesians who were accused of communists, while the Chinese victims were about thousands in numbers. The USA was behind this and the general that ordered the killing was installed by USA as Indonesian most notorious dictator named Soeharto for 32 years, whose regime ended with another riot in 1998 that also killed both native Indonesians and Chinese. USA kept silent about their involvement until they revealed the story few years ago. The Papuans were also victims of Soeharto, who with the help of USA stole Papuan's natural resources by granting Freeport McMoran license to unfairly exploit Papua's resources. After Indonesia took over Freeport, the US gets angry so they armed Papuan liberation army, who also kill other native Papuans that disagree with them. Today's Indonesian government under democracy has replaced the situation and improved Papua's situation. West Papua is much more livable than PNG who is filled with crime and rape. 70% of PNG women are victims of rape.
Hiii VisualPolitik. That is a great analysis and story. However do not paste the past on the present. Burundi is not more like that! First motorcycles are not banned, we indeed use them, only not allowed just in the middle of the town. Secondly, the president did not jailed the players for they failed him, that is absolutely true. Although, you did a good story comparison, differences with our neighbor. You just did not consider the development that have been made in Burundi throught the same period as Rwanda(in fact there is). Burundi still has a long way, but you made it sound miserable. Which is far from the truth.
One thing he didn't mention is that Rwanda already had a better economy than Burundi even before Kagame arrived, and there's more economic freedom in Burundi than in Rwanda.
Many posts here have fallen into the trap that Rwanda is not democratic. That premise is wrong. Kagame’s results make him popular and few, who point out issues such as changing the constitution to allow him to stay in office longer, would dispute that he wins his elections. As Kagame has said, the West does not get to define democracy for Rwanda.
How to be a reasonably successful leader in Africa: 1) don't forbid motorcycles 2) if you started a genocide, don't continue it for too long 3) overall, try not to murder too many people, when they run away too much, it affects GDP => African singapoor
Whether or not Rwanda decides to have a Republic or an enlightened despotic government is their prerogative. If they could pull a Singapore model, good for them. I hope they continue down the right path of prosperity.
@@rafaelw8115 just because they're not going to be as rich as Singapore wealth is always relative. as far as I could tell, the current dictator relies on the productivity of his subjects to get his treasure, same as Singapore, to pay for the loyalty of his keys. For like a better term. I will say Singapore is an enlightened dictatorship or enlightened despotic government. Despite him saying that the land does no natural resources, I would argue it's a blessing, not a curse. If you look at all the oil-rich countries, they're all dictatorships because all the dictator needs to do is to take control of the oil and that is his way to raise a treasure.
@@rafaelw8115 as I said earlier, it's not to the subjects and leaders of Rwanda if they want a liberal democracy or if they went to emulate Singapore. If it's the letter case cool I am totally fine with that. That was their choice if they want to transition to a liberal republic, all dictatorships are democracies, Even better that will benefit them greatly.
@@rafaelw8115 to add it to my point, there is something called the resource curse. To oversimplify it. it is a situation where one economic resource, primarily oil, gold, and diamonds, overwhelm the economy so all a dictator has to do is take control of that to get the treasure to buy his keys loyalty. Now, let's compare that to places that don't precisely have a easily exploitable resource. They got to depend upon the productivity of their subjects, sometimes citizens, to generate the treasure to pay their keys. That is what is likely to forms a republic.
@@rafaelw8115 here's my answer to that. Why should we force a republic on a location which has no historical history of a Republic even working? The United States tried that with the Middle East and the Middle East has no functional right to have a republic due to how tribal the region is. So as I said earlier, it is in the prerogative of both the rulers and the ruled to decide what form a governance they want. Again what form of governance they choose. I don't care. It could be a dictatorship, an oligarchy, or a republic. Short version is some places just can't have a republic due to history and culture. I'm not sure if Africa, The continent, is even ready for the foundations of a republic. Never mind the actual governmental form.
@@rafaelw8115 I'm not saying it's intelligence or anything like that. I'm saying it's more cultural. The Middle East is a good example due to how tribal those societies are. Oftentimes to the point where people are more loyal to their tribe than the state. When it comes to the Africans they were too busy killing and enslaving each other. Oftentimes to a hilarious degree and you're telling me these tribes can unite to make a Republic even functional. There are several preconditions for a Republic to even exist. One of them is a strong middle class of which Africa, or the vast majority of it, Is severely lacking. Oversimplified version is I don't see any of the preconditions for a republic to form.
i like the research and analysis that you put in this episode. I am in Rwanda and I am always saddened by our brothers in Burundi. Their life is very rough rn indeed!
@@1wun1 sincerely, there is no factual basis to what you're saying. All borders of rwanda let all rwandans and foreigners pass, and sincerely, stop research before making such claims.
GDP isn't everything and the country with the lowest life expectancy is Central African Republic. Libya has two or three competing governments. Ethiopia has a devastating civil war, ethnic conflict on top of bad leadership. There's also a drought that is destabilizing entire East Africa. I never hear anything from Burundi.
#1 poorest country in the world Burundi vs #17 Rwanda. 🤔 I think Rwanda will keep growing since Kagame is trained and backed by the UK and USA who had interests in promoting Tutsi power around the time the shooting of the plane and subsequent mineral wars in Congo. Other than God, Washington and London control Kagame’s destiny.
@@mitchmazamez1989 Rwanda’s stolen mineral exports namely gold and coltan alone for example are worth more than any aid either country receives. And that estimate doesn’t include diamonds, tin, tungsten, cassiterite, tantalum, coffee, cacao, wood, ivory, gorillas etc. Those are the reason why people started killing in Congo after your guys’ genocide. Nothing else.
I am a strong supporter and follower of your channel. I come from from Burundi and I do business in Rwanda. To answer your question,those 2 countries do not need democracy as we see it in the west. With uneducated and poor majority of the population,it’s easy and possible to manipulate a hungry person. Rwanda will probably become a western style democracy in 2050 when the country achieved and surpassed middle income status. For now,the country needs a pragmatic strong man who cares about the well-being of the population. On the other side,Burundi CAN also get out poverty if the president decides to read the text book of Kagame and his politics.
Agree 💯. I feel like if both countries start trading and cooperating with each other more, economically and politically, it will trigger be a mindset change and force things to move positively in Burundi like they have been moving in Rwanda.
Why do you think we have to learn from others? One strategy does not yield the same results, unless you have the same mindset, same goals,.. remember that our resources are not equal.
I'm also Burundian. It's true that Burundi is poor, but this guy lied on multiple occasions up in this video. Ndadaye died in 1994? Burundi has no resources? Really? How about Gold, Nickel, Uranium, Cassiterite, etc?
I do not understand how you define poverty. In Burindi people have access to food 3 times a day, health care and education. In Chad, an oil country people don’t have access to one meal day, health care or education. I do not agreed with your analysis.
Here in Africa politics means lies! That's why your channel means visual politik? However, Burundi exports tea and coffee but due to political reasons eu and USA put Burundi under economic sanctions in other Burundi could not do business with any country. Mark you it is also triple or double landlocked.People take advantage of portraying Burundi negatively as if there are no positive things to talk about. French people say comparison is not a reason! Poverty in Africa is rampant not only in Burundi. In my view Burundi is being targeted unfairly. Even in this region of east Africa if you get a chance to travel widely and go to remote places, you will witness poverty that you had never seen before and yet people qualify these big economies of east Africa as giant economically and yet poverty is raging people dying of hunger like flies or not having three meals allover Africa the scenario is the same. If you travel don't stay in big hotel in the capital go remote places and see how poverty is decimating people !
Burundi should just join Tanzania at this point as a province with special autonomous status at this point. At least they will be connected to the Tanzanian infrastructure and have access to sea.
Burundi, Tanzania and Congo signed a deal to partner on a SGR train that is being built to connect everyone to the port of Dar Es Salaam. The train is about halfway built through Tanzanian but once it reaches the capital of Burundi, Bujumbura, all 3 countries will benefit since the Congolese city of Uvira is 30 minutes away. Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan also have a similar plan that might connect up to Ethiopia, and the Tanzanian and half built Kenyan lines are supposed to meet in Rwanda
The citizens of the two countries are equally miserable, and we find them looking for work in neighboring countries like Uganda Kenya and Tanzania. Their leaders are different in that the Burundian dictatorship chased a western friendly dictatorship while Rwanda has a western backed dictatorship.
The economic hardship, recession, unemployment, and loss of jobs is enough to push people into financial ventures. In this Era no one saves money, due to online trading profitability, in the acts that your money grows while you eat, sleep, or even fuck, lol.
Democracy is not meant for every nation, nor does it fit every nation, a country doesn't need democracy to be free, and their can be severe lack of freedom with a democratic nation. Rwanda's current model of governance works for them and it works well, because there's one thing you must remember, Democracy only works well if a society is ready for it and if the government abides by it, as we saw with Burundi, Democracy means nothing, if a leader doesn't abide by it, Democracy also has the negative effect, where there's often too much hands stirring in one pot, which can cause a really negative outcome if all those hand are greedy, corrupt and seeking power. So with Rwanda, what they have now works for them.
I'm Burundian. I can't say that Burundi is not poor but you made some major mistakes in your videos. 2 Presidents died in the 90's, the first one in 1993 and the second one in 1994. Civil war started in 1993 when the first president got killed, and he was not killed in a plane but at his residence instead. The second president is the one who got killed in a plane in Rwanda. Get your story straight.
Hey, as I am doing an essay on Burundi, I thought you could maybe help me. I am lost between the civil war of 1993 and the one of 1972. Are they same? Was it just one civil war that went on for decades or was it two different civil wars? If you do know some links on the information that you know that would be really nice. Thank you.
A wise man he is; you should not have the right to incite mass genocide, by the way as alluded to Singapore is the poster child for this type of system and its working tremendously well, economic freedom should be the only freedom people strive for, anything else is chaos.
According to many research reports it's actually the Tutsi that killed the Hutu with support of the UN. Crazy part is that survivors today in other countries say that the story told is not the right one.
As An African and American I feel for the poor citizens living under dictatorships because of how free Africans love their freedom no matter what hardship they go through
Burundi has the same oppressive colonial system that hutu governments followed in Rwanda 1959-1994 where their main goal is to oppress Tutsi instead of focusing on developing their country.when they find Tutsi with good jobs they fire them or get them fired cus they are intimidated by them and fear they will take over and rule the country again since they come from kings ,they even kicked out the NGO's that would give jobs to Tutsi,this is a government led by fools(hutu &hutu mixed extremists) where they set a certain maximum percentage of Tutsi people that you are allowed to hire when you hire more you get kicked out the country ,as someone who wants your business to grow you hire who you choose due to potential you see in them so imagine a country telling you no to hire this much number of certain people due to their tribe when you see the potential in them and its your money hence your right to hire as many as you want. this is the same system of hutu governments in Rwanda 1959-1994 for those 35 years the country was horrible but when Tutsi took over after they stopped the genocide against Tutsi they rebuilt the country from the ashes/nothing and now 27 years later you can barely think that it's the same country hutu destroyed and tore into pieces for 35 years.so it all depends on the leaders,you can't focus on oppressing others 24/7 and have time to develop your country.
Hutu and Tutsi/Hema power are all stupid concepts but they’re unfortunate realities in the Great Lakes region. May Burundi, Rwanda, Congo and Uganda stop the nonsense and develop out of the top 20 poorest countries list.
Rwanda under the hutu was richer than Burundi under the Tutsi, the same thing can be observed in each group's exile. The hutu become successful businessmen while the tutsi become soldiers.
Wow I feel much more educated, and ya I was just talking about the good aspects in a little bit of materialism. And as I've been doing some investigating and research into the reactionary procedures in the entanglement of dual realities in a photosynthetic plane, and in the perceiving and attaining of more materialistic focal objects and things in different places. Keep up the good work! And without as many necessary sacrifices in alot of scenarios as some are often to feel inclined they must to be rewarded, if not only to face the truth rather than happy spirits in different places and peace of mind. And as coconut water can be really good hydration in alot of things that I really love alot. Being a spirit or energy ball without a mortal coil, can feel much more free than being a mummy that might want some grapes or something from far away while grabbing a branch or probably better with a tether just in case though. I'm definitely planning on getting cremated myself though.
The problems facing Africa is that we have KNOWLEDGE DEPENDENCY on people who have SUPREMACY COMPLEX mentality, to them they think Africa ASSIMILATING to the so called 'WESTERN WAYS' is the ultimate solution but actually they are our biggest hurdle since it only ensures Africans are trapped in a state I term as COLONIAL MINDSET, Let me give an example; Kenya is one of the most liberal democratic countries in Africa and as a Kenyan I have come to despise it, we are currently having an election today, people who I used to call brothers have become adversaries because politicians are using populist politics to campaign (us verses them) and this has been happening after every 5 years, The 'Supremacist' claim that division and sometimes civil war (2007 elections violence) happened because we are a young democracy but in reality it's no difference from what US experienced in 2020, Politicians started using racial politics, Democrats painted themselves as party for the oppressed while Republicans painted themselves as party for patriots and defenders of the American identity, Americans became more divided and aligned to their political parties more than to their nation to the point of destruction of businesses (BLM) and invasion of the capitol building (proud boys), The reason US never collapsed is because they have MATURED INSTITUTIONS like FBI and the US National Guards that could ensure polarization to the point of armed conflict doesn't happen unlike us who lack the budget finance and sustain such institutions, Africans we need to decolonize our minds, Firstly, their is nothing such as North and sub Saharan African case studies, our problems are actually related and simple, we all suffer from POVERTY, IGNORANCE and DISEASE that we inherited from colonization, East Asians realized it and decided to prioritize on them, for example; Kenya used to have higher living standards than Indonesia and China till 1980s when we stated to over rely on WASHINGTON CENSUS and British expatriates for policy making, while the Asian Tigers were busy building transport systems, fighting POVERTY by building factories, and defeating IGNORANCE and DISEASE by coping and to some extent stealing technological advances from western countries we were busy recolonizing ourselves, Liberal democracy, respect of property rights and restrains to immediate satisfaction are not the root cause of development but actually they are the fruits of the later. China knows this and is investing billions on the road and belt project in Africa to ensure we are connected to the global economy by reducing transactional cost of regional trade, when i see Africans getting hyptonized by WESTERN PROPAGANDA i see people who never learn from history, Kagame realized it and he stopped trying to appease WESTERN SUPREMACIST and learn from Singapore's development miracle, i do believe Burundi can learn from Rwanda, with or without a Dictator, if only they adopt a LOOK EAST POLICY, AFRICA needs to learn and ally itself with ASIA (China and India) if they want to escape the vicious cycle of underdevelopment.
You shouldn’t be judging Rwanda for Democracy that westerners think that entire Africa lacks, Political systems will not always be built based on Western’s, as our Culture,History, Region and Finance are different as we see things in 96mode. PK the Great President of Rwanda🇷🇼 Kabeho-Karambe.
I'm an old school Vsauce fan who is watching from Rwanda. Tip for you my friends, the tone of this video is bad. Audiences are global now so you have to be conscious about how you speak. The UK has a poverty rate of 20% (statista). You would never speak about Liverpool or Wales with this tone. Please extend us the same respect. This is why China and Russia score easy wins in Africa all the time. They point to how the west looks down on us, and this video is just one example in a sea of many.
The statement “even by African standards”, is incredibly patronising and condescending. Why is poverty’s yardstick “Africa” when Egypt exceeds the wealth of various Eastern European countries. It doesn’t change the overall quality content of the video, but does suggest an implicit bias that might limit any proper analytical framework.
I think that the Amercan government made money flow to Rawanda. Before Belgian rule, Tutsi rule was not pleasnt for Hutus. The differences between Hutu and Tutsi had faded in the centuries before Belgian rule but the Belgians did not make the ethnic division out of nothing. The Belgians took an ethnic divion that they found and made it worse as part of divide and conquer program to make it Easier for Belgum to rule their colony. The Rawandan Genocide was part of a proxy war waged by America and the UK against France and Congo. The purpose of the Genocide was so that the international community would object to the Kagame dictatorship and would not object to America using Kagame's army to attempt to conquer Congo's mineral wealth for the American empire. America's attempt to gain control of Congo's minerals has mostly failed but 5 million Congolese got killed as collateral damage from America's attept to get control over Congo's minerals. That makes Bill Clinton the biggest mass murderor of the last 40 years. The rebels in any situation are never as well armed as the government unless they have foreign backing. The RPF were a branch of the Ugandan Army and they were armed and trained by America and were better armed than the government of Rwanda. Rwandans knew that they were about to be conquered by the Ugandan Tutsis so the Hutus did what they always did when the Tutsis make tham angry. They start killing Tutsis. What the Rawandadan Hutus did not know is that the Ugandan Tutsis did not give a damn about the Rwandan Tutsis. Ugandan Tutsis thought it was their right to rule over the Hutus just as their ancestors did. Ugandan Tutsis thought it was not OK that Rawandan Tutsis accepted being ruled by Hutus so the Ugandan Tutis were not in a hurry to stop the genocide. Kagame knew that the geoncide was happening but he waited before stopping the genocide because he needed the genocide as a tool for stopping objections to his dictatorial rule. Bill Clinton knew that thousands would be massacred when Bill Clinton gave the order for the plane carrying the presidents to be shot down. Kagame was not going to shoot down that plane without Bill Clinton's approval. Kagame's army was not going to shoot down that plane without Kagame's approval. Bill Clinton did not expect the massacres to kill as many people as they did but Bill Clinton understood that the massacrers were necessaery if Clinton was going to use the Tutsi army to take control of Congo's minerals. Damned evil empire. I hate the Neocons and the Democractic Neocon lite war mongers. The whole post Soviet American foreign policy has been evil, counterproductive and stupid. We have vampires running loose and in charge of our foreign policy blob.
This is exactly what British did to India. They devided Hindus and Muslims. Muslims were minority they were given better facilities and Hindus were kept behind. Later while leaving they cut India into two parts on the basis of religion. Due to which tensions still continue to brew between these two countries.
Im good at Geography and History and im from Africa. This is very interesting and i am also surprised that most people dont know about half of african countries
@Anabelle a Villarreal Very true. Just recently fidelity said they have been accumulating bitcoin since 2014, then again, it was announced that the SEC will be approving BTC spot ETF come 2023.
That's to show whales and smart ones are buying bitcoin quickly, but they won't let the public know, it's such a pity that people are worried about the latest cars
According to your presentation, it is democracy v dictatorship where the later wins in developing the country..so actually Africa needs to define its democracy differently!
On the paper almost every country is a democracy, even North Korea that has literally the name "democratic" in it's official name. You have to look at what happen in the country
Even Russia it's a democracy on paper but the political opponents disappear, die or go to jail, the freedom of press it's almost non existent, the courts are controlled by the government, etc...
@@Assadar5402 means UK is dictatorship? They haven’t changed their queen. They should change their queen before calling other people dictatorship. The people of Rwanda are not complaining. Solve ur own problems, stop looking at other people problems when u haven’t solved urs.
Most countries in the world, including the West, and Britain and the United States too, were not liberal democracies when they embarked on industrial and technological modernization. It is one of the greatest myths in history to attribute the developed status of the West to liberal democracy. Sure, there were limited and restricted participation elections and there was pluralism, but certainly not universal suffrage and there was a primacy in the belief of state interests for development over various individual rights and civil liberties. South Korea did not become an industrialized power under Western-style liberal democracy. Park Chung He, the father of South Korea's modernity was a military strongman who came to power via a coup and even though he later became a civilian Head of State, he was an autocratic leader. He was purposively determined to ensure that South Korea became a modern industrialized nation state and he undertook both import substitution industrialization of consumer goods, as well as for exports, and the development of Heavy Industry in terms of steel making, crude oil refining, inorganic and organic chemicals production, manufacturing machinery making (for construction, steel making, motor vehicles, ships, etc), motor vehicles, and ship building. If anything China's remarkable comprehensive socio economic development over the last 45 years ever since it embarked on market directed reforms of its economy, while remaining an effective one party state and pursuing consultative governance and being largely meritocratic with regards to persons recruited and promoted into and within the ranks of officialdom should be a vivid reminder that Western style liberal democracy is not necessary for development. Japan during the Meiji Restoration that saw it transformed from a Fedual Nation State into an firmly industrialized one did not do so under Western Style Liberal Democracy. The heavy domination of the Liberal Democratic Party since WW2 is testament to its managed democracy and great cohesion among its power elites.
Democracy as an institution only works well when you have an peaceful society who understand the benefits and are able to vote for their choice without being influenced by hatred, misunderstanding, and tribalism. Following Rwanda's genocide, only a "sane" strong man like Kagame could hope to forge a better country. Rwanda's opportunity for democracy will come slowly as the scars of the genocide fade. Besides building motorcycles, Rwanda has accomplished much including being the first country in the world to have a female majority in parliament. None of the western countries started out with democracy either, it all took them centuries to get there. And even now we are finding that there are several whose democracies are crumbling because they are being influenced by hatred, misunderstanding, and tribalism. Before judging Rwanda or some of the other more stable and prosperous African countries, we should first consider the alternatives.
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Yes especially the “oldest” democracy in the world in the US has shown how fragile the concept is
@@kob2337 Switzerland has actually been a democracy for quite a few more centuries than the United States. On August 1, they will celebrate 731 years of independence and democracy. The main difference is that the USA is a representative democracy while Switzerland is a direct democracy.
@@marcrcbally that’s not really true since they have been vassal states of both the French and rome empire for quite some time. The way they are today has been established in the 19 century so after the American democracy
This idea of some sort of linear 'progressive' political system - from dictatorship to oligarchy to democracy - is nothing but wishful thinking. The world isn't and hasn't ever been so neat. Democracy is not inevitable, nor is it final. History doesn't 'end' with liberal democracy, as that hack Fukuyama claims, history marches on and change is the only constant. Rwanda isn't going to become a democracy in the fullness of time, or alternately it might become a democracy tomorrow. A thousand and one factors - political, social, economic, technological and environmental - will shape its future, and what form that future takes is impossible to predict.
Also Rwanda's female majority parliament is largely for show. It's not a natural result of election, but an engineered one by Kagame for the purpose of the country's foreign image. Those female legislators have virtually no power but are beholden to whim of a man.
You can also do comparison on Botswana Vs Zimbabwe. One (Botswana) got independence as the 2nd poorest country in the world with no infrastructure, 3 missionary Schools, 11 graduates, 4km Tarred road, No capital city to being an African success story being an Upper Middle Income Economy, Africa’s longest continues democracy, Highest Human Development Index in Africa and ranked most prosperous Vs Zimbabwe that inherited Africa’s most advanced economy, developed infrastructure, Africa’s bread basket to being considered a failure today with highest inflation in history etc
Botswana was not ruled by Mugabe and his fucked up ideas.
Pol Pot v Mugabe.
Botswana is amazing for Africa but in the year 2000 they did have a 38% HIV rate
Zimbabwe was never an advanced economy, only better than neighbors.
@@1wun1 Rodesia was the most developed country in Africa
Rhodesia had a lower gdp per capita then brazil, it wasn't developed at all, seriously.
Rwanda is a textbook case that democracy is a luxury that is nice to have, but not necessarily something that is seen as a fundamental right, especially in the developing world. When your people are starving and desperate, concepts such as having a liberal democracy and voting for your leaders are a distant thought compared to putting food on the table and having a stable livelihood. When your people are able to meet their basic needs, when they have food, shelter and security, only then can they actually start considering whether a democracy is something they can and should push their country towards.
If democratic leaders failed to provide for their people, then its no surprise that they turn to authoritarian leaders. We see this even in developed countries all across the world, with those who were left behind and feel that the people in power keep failing to help them. They keep trying to vote in democratic leaders, only for them to be disappointed every time, so they turn to the authoritarians. I don't think for most of them this is because they actually support authoritarianism, but because they're desperate for someone, anyone, who might help them. Democracy has failed them, so what do they have to lose by trying out authoritarianism?
Your analysis fails on a single point - almost *all* of post colonial sub Sahara history is dominated by authoritarian Governments.
It is interesting that you use a single data point (Rwanda) to extol the virtues of authoritarianism when a single glance at African history will tell you that 99% of dictatorships have been utter failures that ruined their countries.
And most of the countries that are actually growing - Botswana, Ghana, Nigeria, Ethiopia etc started doing so when they liberalised. Ie they are certainly not perfect democracies but their growth came in a period where they moved towards liberalization.
@@MA-go7ee I am not entirely sure where u got the idea that I was giving a full throated endorsement of authoritarianism, since that was not the point of my comment at all. It was to point out that simply flipping over to a democracy alone is not enough to bring prosperity because what drives growth and investments is the rule of law, security and economic liberalisation (as u had pointed out), things that sometimes come with, but are not always guaranteed with democratic reforms.
Too many times a country flips into a democratic system in the hopes that things would improve, but in the whole euphoria ultimately don't really change anything else, creating what can sometimes be an even worse system than the one that came before, or at best a system that is crippled by its shackles to its past. Since we're on the topic of Africa, we can look at the current data to illustrate this. Investment Monitor's African investor guides lists only Botswana and Ghana as being the only truely free democracies as rated by the Freedom Index among their top 5 countries in Africa, with Egypt, Morocco and Tanzania occupying the remaining slots.
Clearly, despite having more authoritarian tendencies, these countries have somehow managed to win over investors over their more liberal and democratic counterparts in the continent. Yes, authoritarian regimes general do worse than democracies in all except a few standout cases such as China, Rwanda and some would argue Singapore. In those rare cases they do better, far more so, because they provide a better overall package to the investment community than their neighbouring peers. In all of them, they initiated economic liberalisation without the accompanying democratic reforms that would usually be associated with them, and still somehow managed to win over the business community to become or initiate the process to become economic powerhouses.
Believe that until you get a corrupt dictator that carts all your tax money to Switzerland and makes anyone who raises questions to disappear. The fact is Kagame is a good thing for Rwanda but he is also an outlier. African dictators are never benevolent.
Rwanda is just a puppet state small enough for the luxuries given to them by their overlords for doing the dirty work make the country look nice for the metrics and in the capital.
same case here in Indonesia, the government being more authoritarian but the people are more united and less sectarian. less freedom of speech so its gonna be no racism is the beginning key for a mid-low income multi ethnic country towards developement
I did my humans rights dissertation on Burundi. It was horrifying to see the amount of ethic cleansings that happened under Nkurunziza and his government. It makes you lose faith in humanity.
Africans
What?
This is humanity without regulation
@TylerDurden
Ethnic cleansing??
Clearly throw your human rights dissertation in the trash indeed, you can mention a couple presidents before him ik you can do better than tht.
@@AfrodDre_Official yeah, how about you learn some english bud, I didn't get any of that
I went to Kigali, it is indeed very safe and very clean. Nice infrastructure being built also.
Err ... Rwanda.
Rwanda
Rwanda steals from DR Congo resources.
BECAUSE RUSSIA DEMON PROVOKED IT. IN 1984 YEAR. KANTANO HABLAMANA WHO WAS STUDING IN USSAR WHO GOT JOURNALIS. HE CAME BACK IN RWANDA 1989. HE WAS AGENT OF USSAR. IT RUSSIA DEMON COUNTRY. IT RUSSIA PROVOKED GENOCIDE BETWEEN TUTSI AND HUTU
Belgium was by far the worst of all the colonizers. What they did to all those countries is absolutely disgusting.
That's because they're French
Colonisation/imperialism is not charity, it's primarily to benefit the colonialists. These people are adults and once independent they are wholly responsible for their actions.
@@1wun1 wow you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
@@davisjalappat1425 feel free to correct me
@@1wun1 that literally has nothing to do with what the comment said 🤦
Rwanda and Burundi in precolonial times weren't as homogeneous as you say. The distinctions, Tutsi and Hutus, did exist but they were more markers of social class than ethnicity. Hutus were the local Bantu population and were predominantly agriculturists whiles the Tutsis were descendants of later migrants (probably of Cushitic descent) and were mostly cattle herders. The Tutsis did serve as the upper class but there's no evidence of violence between and according to some sources, it was certainly possible for a self-made Hutu to be accepted as a Tutsi or a Tutsi who lost his wealth to be demoted to the status of a Hutu. They weren't exactly different races or even ethnic groups but they weren't entirely made up by Belgian officials.
There's plenty of violence for the entire rwandan history, but not enough on the Burundian one.
Yes, this idea that Rwanda was a peaceful country until the Belgians came is absolutely incorrect. If anything the colonial period marked a significant slow down of the violence.
@@ChilapaOfTheAmazons It didn’t. The colonial administration’s actions killed 300K in Rwanda in 1944, probably the same in Burundi. And it was the same administration that launched genocide for the very 1st time in Rwandan history (1959 - 1962). Such solid historical facts shouldn’t be fudged so casually.
@@ChilapaOfTheAmazons nah that's false. Before the Belgians there were violence but it would usually be about expanding the country (kingdom).
When you simplify this just think you're an agriculturalist and some guy comes around from no where with 50 cows to destroy your corn the simplest things can start wars it's turned into something completely different now obliviously because of the Belgiums but I'm sure this was the fight before the Belgiums 😂
Is it also even possible that Rwanda just got more international exposure & attention? The term "Rwandan genocide" is something that has been burned into the mind of the international community to some degree, but not the case for Burundi.
Rwanda has received more international (financial and diplomatic) help than its neighbors, Burundi since 2005 has received the opposite.
wouldnt the negative connotations actually deter investors?
As a rwandese i agree with your statement
@@kazzz2765 initially yes, but it did attract a lot of aid. And this aid was used to create a better environment for investment.
The genocide had chased all business and none was interested in rwanda after the genocide and no financial aid could fix that so after that rwanda had to make a choice they made country one of the cleanest and safest in the world thats what attracts tourist and rwanda is known for using its aid very well since corruption is low in the country
I think it's better to have results than democracy when you can't have both. Democracy is nice, but what good is it when you're poor and starving in a war torn area? Therefore, stability is better than democracy when you cannot have both.
The problem is that when leadership has to change the country may become unstable again. Everyone with ambition will be aspiring to be the next leader for life. I think most democracies do have a setup period but unless they lay the foundation and leave office to allow for an election it may be back to being a war torn country with poor prospects.
You got a point. The problem is if a dictatorship starves you there's no way of complaining, in a democracy you can. That's why there's almost never a starving democracy.
Rather be fed by a king than starve under a president… But I also think that african culture is more centred around monarchy than Europe…
@@NickSteffen Democracies are often unstable too. Look at how many govts. Israel has had in the last few years. Other democracies have gone through literal years without a govt. simply because they can't agree on one, stalling all policy (and sometimes even struggling to pass the annual budget!) until some sort of arrangement is reached. In advanced nations it's the (non-democratic) bureaucracy that keeps the state running during such times, but in less settled establishments it's just chaos
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Israel is one of the richest countries in the world, just because they have a coalition in power doesn’t mean it’s unstable. They are really rich, richer, than Finland, Belgium,Germany, France, Japan and the uk.
In small dictatorships it's problematic to talk bout GDP per Capita, since it's easily affected by a small group of very rich organizations that are close to the government. They could become richer while the general population (which isn't large) remains poor.
He fails to mention Rwanda is still poor by African standards too lol 🤣 You’d be much better off in a richer but less populated country like Botswana or Gabon or just a bigger and richer country like Kenya or Tanzania. Even Congo and Uganda which are poorer per capita so also poor by African standards have more general economic opportunities than Rwanda just by being bigger economies with a good amount of resources. The only resources Rwanda has are stolen from the Congo anyways.
As a Rwandan, current leadership is what Rwandans love and honestly need. I don’t understand how some in the west call it dictatorship, when it is a democratically elected government. If it works for Rwandans and Rwandans love it it’s what matters. Whatever label you put on it doesn’t matter to a Rwandan.
All dictatorships are not horrible and unpleasant
But Rwanda is in-fact a dictatorship
A good one that works for you I agree but nonetheless it is still a dictatorship
Yes it works
And it’s not that bad but still it’s a dictatorship 😂😂😂
Regardless if it's a democracy or dictatorship, we hope for the continuation of the development of your country
I live in Rwanda and understand exactly why people call it a dictatorship. fact us many people know that the government isn't the best democratic one but that doesn't matter when you literally rise a country from the ashes. Rwandans are happy as conditions are better and don't really care about what the West call their precious country
if those labels dont matter to rwandans, why then you complain? 😂😂😂
I grew up in east germany, and I know how "democratic" those elections were when one party alone always got over 90% 😜
well, as a Rwandan, your story on my country is 60% accurate, however I appreciate your interest in African countries. just don't believe every thing you read on the internet or from MSM mostly because most of them are owned by the same people who let that genocide happen in Rwanda. I would advise to go on the ground for real info. on democracy side, well African don't believe in a universal model of democracy, mostly when so called democratic countries impose their "ideals" to other nations regardless of their culture or say which I think is contrary to the very essence of "democracy"
Are you optimistic about Rwanda’s future?
"rwandan genocide" you say? that, right there, would land you a 15-year jail time if you utter that phrase in public here in Rwanda. it's "genocide against tutsis". Get your facts right!
Burundi is just crippled by many unfavorable economic and political stituation. Since 2015, burundi was placed under economic sanctions: no US dollar, no trade with western world; so think what sanctions does to a country to rely on import export. On the other hand Rwanda has funds pulling from all over the world. This type of division is always apparent in Africa, because it’s easy to sabotage a region. I don’t think is by accident that Burundi can’t develop: Belgium and France have a hand in it because the government of today is not their fanatics. Everybody knows and that is why there is always a claim of human right issues. Every country should have the right to it’s judicial instutions.
That is what we call leadership, Kagame at first kicked out France because it was treating Rwanda as a colony and now Rwanda is leading francophone countries, in 2012 the west and uk withdrew all aid to Rwanda and now Rwanda is leading the commonwealth etc… a very wise and strategic leader is the one to pull strings for his country its not by western mercies.
Of coarse, these documentary rarely have the rigor to investigate the involvement of foreign countries in the ongoing military, geo-political and economical predation of the country. Stunting the industrial growth, freedom in trade and autonomous economy. It is too profitable make the mistake to let them develop by themselves. Especially when you can import fabricated problems with neighbour countries without lifting a finger and masking the true interest (minerals, trade, military control of regions close to the DRC).
@@angeleonce1 You're right bro. Time will tell the truth.
Visualpolitik never disappoints, always on top notch on their research and truth about the information they give. As a Kenyan i agree with this information 💯. Please cover some episodes about East African community.
"poor even for African standards" not sure how to take that
Exactly! I thought that was a pretty ignorant comment.
It’s a sad commentary. Unfortunately, using Africa as the yardstick for generalized backwardness works because the continent is very poor.
@@stevensmith2078 they don’t want to evolve
This is not completely accurate. Burundi does have natural resources such as: calbolt, nickel, uranium, gold and much more. They just haven't created stability within the nation to gain the investor's trust like Rwanda. Leadership still needs refining, but Burundi will rise eventually.
Main exports are coffee and tea to list a few.
Thank you for bringing up that Burundi has natural resources, unlike what was conveyed in the video.
I have been looking for someone who truly know what they are saying.
Fr
Among the things you forgot to mention about Rwanda:
- 97% of Rwandans have health insurance,
- 100% school enrolment from 1st to 12th grade
- Their government has removed 2 million people from poverty since taking office
- Rwanda has food security and is a big exporter in the region
- They rank 1st in the world for gender inclusion with over 60% of women that make up ministerial positions in the cabinet, judiciary system and equal pay and opportunity in the workforce.
- It ranks as the 6th safest country in the world.
- It’s the cleanest country in the world, they even have a social cleaning day every end of the month - I’ve personally visited.
- First country to ban plastic bags
- Voted fastest transforming country of the last 2 decades.
- Voter among the most effective governments by the world bank and other independent auditors
Rwanda is so good many Rwandans don’t even want to live there 🤣
@@originalsal2141 🤡
And it’s still growing
What YOU forgot to mention is that most of the achievements you have mentioned have gone to Kagames tribe-Tutsis. This is the untold story of Rwanda.
12 million people in such a small country can't be good for economics
The thing people don't understand, is that you can't treat Africa the same as Europe or the America's. The political development never happened on the continent till much much later in history compared to the rest of the world. So what Rwanda is doing is actually very very good. Not good to western standards, but you have to compare them to other countries on the African continent
Compared to Burundi and Congo they're better, compared to Uganda Tanzania or Kenya they're doing bad.
@@1wun1 you're not wrong
True also we need to understand that, democracy is practiced differently around the world. Western democracy doesn't equate with African democracy
@@1wun1 bro am from uganda I know wat u mean by bad and it's getting worse .
@Plague Sentry you misread my comment
Why do you have to say "Poor by African standards"?! Isnt poverty universal ?
That's very interesting! Despite having the exact same geopolitical forces (population, culture, geography, history, ~neighbors and so on) they developed VERY differently. It is a strong example against the idea that the geopolitical forces are the main factor that determines a country's policy and fate. An idea which I generally support, and now have to re-evaluate...
Those peoples don’t want to evolve
0:45 Belgium received a League of Nations mandate for Rwanda and Burundi after WW1 rather than being ‘colonies’ (as most people understand the term)
The World should know that during precolonial era Tutsi, Hutu and Twa never have been ethnic groups, never, it was just socio-ecinomic classification of population both in Burundi and Rwanda, as you all know both countries ruled by kings , in kingdom there is hierarchy ( leadership is rolated in single family, father/mother to his/her child) and it was good for these two kingdoms.
So during colonisation what socia- economic classification change to ethnicity not by citizens but by colonizers ( just divide and rule).
No, the Rwandan monarchy was seen as bad for the defeated Hutu kings. The Burundian one was somewhat better.
@@1wun1 there weren't any Hutu Kings. never. the Tutsi, Hutu and Twa were just like social classes. Matter of fact, there are also clans which actually get passed from father to son. and it is not rare to find someone with different clans but different "ethnic" groups
@@angeloverlain king Mashira wasn't a hutu king?
@@1wun1 I don't know a king of such name. Please let me know his dynastic name and reign name.
@@angeloverlain king Mashira of Nduga. His capital city was Nyanza until he lost his life to his inlaw Mibambwe I who moved from his capital Kigali.
Despite their present issues, the nation of burundi has existed for centuries. That's an achievement an extremely low number of countries today can ever hope to reach.
Okay?
So has Ethiopia. And?
I'm always surprised by how people define democracy and how it's either that or dictatorship.
You can't just take two, three elements to describe both political governance. If you talk about human rights and equal it to freedom of expression (that sometimes includes hate speeches) without thinking that quality and affordable education, health,... are part of those rights, then there's a problem. Rwanda has been challenging the concept of democracy vs dictatorship and for those who are really interested in that, should take their time and study this case without any prejudice or sense or supremacy. With the failures that we are seeing in the so called big democracies, it has time that we should give chance to locally made models that respond to local problems. There is no such thing as importing a political governance. You borrow from there and there and mix up something that suits the needs of people. At the end one may need food for his family, good schools for his/her kids, good hospitals, freedom to exercise his business, better infrastructure and other HUMAN RIGHTS rather than the so-called "freedom of speech". Something that people in those old and big democracy may find difficult to understand.
If Paul Kagame is actually being voted by his people through fair elections and he's delivering the real human rights to his people, developing his country with the history that we all know, you may call him names but at some points we may understand that the Rwandans, which actually exist and people who like you and me, are the first beneficiaries and are the one who count.
You visit that country, you get new perspective.
The ones who claim to be the most democratic are the ones who give the least freedoms. In some of these countries like USA, England and Australia we saw the real truth during the pandemic. We can't say religious beliefs, some religions are allowed to prosper while others are suppressed. We can't speak on basic biology.
In the end, it's all just words. All the political parties go to work in the same office. All have it cosy and won't change anything to disturb that. A dictatorship with the right dictator would actually be more beneficial in most circumstances I'd say.
Rwanda is democratic, it has defined its own version that works well with its own fate which is "Consensual Democracy" where people have to sit together and agree on what to do instead of disagreeing in media and on streets of cause with building competitive public institutions that makes sure things are done correctly, that's why Rwanda ranks well in low corruption, good governance, security and service delivery not just in Africa but outperforms even developed countries like UK, US, Portugal, France, China, Russia, Turkey and more in some of those rankings.
The issue is that the west doesn't want someone else to strive forward, or have a different working system not one dictated by them, so they use their media and power to sabotage anyone who tries to do differently.
Well said my brother
As long as he is doing well for his people and his country. And his people love him
Who cares if he takes more than 50 years in power.
Can we compare rewanda to other Africa countries which democracy?
They are far better than most African countries with democracy that full of currupt government
Aren't the human rights of dissidents not respected in Rwanda though?
@@marw9541 gotta crack a few eggs sometimes. If we were to clean up England you'd expect at least a million+ people in the shit.
I think the heat is getting to the team :D
1:02 On the right, you can see Bujumbura...
1:09 On the right, you have Kigali...
That's right!
Sorry Rwanda needs such a leader at least after what happened. What the man has done is nothing less than amazing. Nothing is perfect but he will leave his country 10x better then he found it. I consider that a success. People won't tolerate incompetence after he leaves.
Trust me this channel will find a way to antagonize him someone highlight this comment for another day.
The same genocide happened in Burundi too 💔 it’s just not well known enough
Would love to visit both countries one day and my own informed opinion
great idea
Burundi and Rwanda same as Haiti and Dominica Republic in economic conditions. You should a comparison on these two countries
Any video where Grant says “Poor” or “Pew” gets an instant like. not making fun of the way he speaks, I legitimately like it.
They suffered from nearly the same serious crises from Rwanda in the north, but they not only had one but *two* major genocides.
In 1972 the Tutsi government massacred hundreds of thousands of Hutus and in 1993 (year before the Rwandan genocide!) the Hutu government massacred hundreds of thousands of Tutsis
And for some reason the second Burundian genocide marked the start, not the end, of the civil war. Many issues are still not resolved, e.g. that video of red water might be blood from a tortured Burundian even though Burundi abolishes death penalty since 2009.
Yugoslavia was under Tito dictatorship for 35 years, and 10 more years under communist government.
We are under democracy for 30 years now. And yet, only Slovenia has reached GDP level it had in 1989, others are still terrible.
So, sometimes, good dictator is better than bad democracy, because political stability is much more important than freedom of speech - democracy only works if you stable institutions to begin with.
True, same case in my country also. Long ago during in dictator rule, our country were 2nd most developed in asia on that time next to japan until where the biggest manipulators and liars ruled the country. It became the exact opposite. Over democracy can be a hindrance to development.
Visual Politik seems not to understand that. It is evident in their tone
@@orvenpamonag2234 democracy itself is not a bad system just like autocracy isn’t a bad system. They all thrive under good leadership however what irks me is when people try to paint one as good and the other as evil. Democracy doesn’t work for every country Africa is a continent that is a perfect example of the failed system of democracy. Sometimes the right leader in cases like Paul Kagame and Gadafi are what’s best for a country.
No such thing as a good dictator, and political stability (and independance) can only happen with democracy, with the (temporary) leader taking power from the people which would stop coups and not allow foreign intervention.
@@samueldb684 Gadafi was a monster and the chaos happened because he wanted it to and opened the country to militias and spread weapons, just like Saleh in Yemen, peaceful transition wa perfectly possible in Libya but that loser couldn't let it happen and wanted to take revenge against his people for daring to go against him. Rwanda and Libya haven't tried democracy yet for you to say that a dictator is best for them, the same for the other countries you're implying I'm sure.
I wish i could justify this by the fact that Rwanda have benefited from the term "Rwandan genocide" to be that respected and helped by international countries, but the truth is that my country, Burundi, is being held by a cruel, ruthless and careless leadership, while the Rwandan leadership has developed their image of a safe and hardworking country. If we had a good leadership we could have also developed at the same pace since we all share the same history and a disadvantageous geographical location.
Same here
I wish for the same
I wouldn't care if he will take more than 50 years in power
And long as he has his people and his country best in heart. And his country is doing fine who cares.
Am from both countries
This video its so perfect 👌
From now on I can truth your opinion
Am proudly burundian
One thing you forgot to check ( its alcohol its killing Burundians
Having a low GDP / capita doesn't equal to poverty. First and foremost it indicates the lack of large companies that inflate the GDP as well as foreign investment. People can still live good lives if the prices are cheap and there are abundant resources available to the locals. It's often this abundance in resources is what keeps the market prices low (i.e. no one wants to buy your fruit cause everyone already has a lot), leading to a situation where money is little but all basic human necessities are provided. Malawi is the best example of this but Burundi is similar.
Very true.
There is another theory as well. Prices could be low due to lack of demand. And lack of demand is due to low income levels. Of course, the GDP per capita alone is not enough to decide the standard of living of the country. Its only one of the parameters.
@@infotainment7435 it's not another theory, it's the same theory haha
Umm no. Burundi is horrifically poor. 52% of the Children under 5 are stunted due to malnutrition.
Its poverty rate is double that of Rwanda.
@@innosam123 they say that so you give moneys on charity, which they steal.
BURUNDI has the most organic manufacturer FOMI industry which produced the best fertilizer in EAC and CENTRAL AFRICA .
I see a lot of people making this huge mistake on RUclips channels. BURUNDI and *****RWANDA HAVE NATURAL RESOURCES *******
- Burundi has copper, cobalt, nickel, feldspar, phosphate rock, quartzite, and rare reserves of uranium, gold and vanadium.
- tantalum, tin ore, tungsten, lithium, gold and so on.
The good thing is that the Burundian resources are untapped.
Really?
@@256Kaku 100% sure
Burundi mostly just has untapped rare earths that are waiting for the SGR train from Dar Es Salaam
this guy really needs to see a dentist. I wasn't able to focus on the video because of his teeth lol
Because Burundi does not loot from Congo like Rwanda does on behalf of its neocolonial masters
Well...maybe they don't and I hope they can eat pride because that's the only thing they have according to their economies. Rwanda did well pride is not worth starving for..
Well said
Rwanda is poor though.
I'm a congolese but honestly, rwanda would be rich if that was the case but they are as poor as all the other countries in the region.
Only southern Africa is somewhat developed.
@@oo--7714 Kagame and the army are very rich.
Can you talk about Indonesia and its genocide of over a million ethnic Chinese minorities accusing them of communism?
They also slaughtered thousands of west papuans
Lies and lies.
Millions of the 1965 killing victims were mainly native Indonesians who were accused of communists, while the Chinese victims were about thousands in numbers. The USA was behind this and the general that ordered the killing was installed by USA as Indonesian most notorious dictator named Soeharto for 32 years, whose regime ended with another riot in 1998 that also killed both native Indonesians and Chinese. USA kept silent about their involvement until they revealed the story few years ago.
The Papuans were also victims of Soeharto, who with the help of USA stole Papuan's natural resources by granting Freeport McMoran license to unfairly exploit Papua's resources. After Indonesia took over Freeport, the US gets angry so they armed Papuan liberation army, who also kill other native Papuans that disagree with them. Today's Indonesian government under democracy has replaced the situation and improved Papua's situation. West Papua is much more livable than PNG who is filled with crime and rape. 70% of PNG women are victims of rape.
@@kopimanisku5392 finally someone tell this story, most people don't know about the West Papuans and their fight for freedom
I'm pretty sure there were divisions between the Hutu and the tutsi before colonization but without a doubt the colonization inflamed that process
Facts👍
They are different ethic groups but we got along fine the belgians just wanted to make one superior to the other
Nope they did not have beef.
Hiii VisualPolitik. That is a great analysis and story. However do not paste the past on the present. Burundi is not more like that! First motorcycles are not banned, we indeed use them, only not allowed just in the middle of the town. Secondly, the president did not jailed the players for they failed him, that is absolutely true. Although, you did a good story comparison, differences with our neighbor. You just did not consider the development that have been made in Burundi throught the same period as Rwanda(in fact there is). Burundi still has a long way, but you made it sound miserable. Which is far from the truth.
One thing he didn't mention is that Rwanda already had a better economy than Burundi even before Kagame arrived, and there's more economic freedom in Burundi than in Rwanda.
Many posts here have fallen into the trap that Rwanda is not democratic. That premise is wrong. Kagame’s results make him popular and few, who point out issues such as changing the constitution to allow him to stay in office longer, would dispute that he wins his elections.
As Kagame has said, the West does not get to define democracy for Rwanda.
He arrests all presidential candidates who compete against him, look it up. Therefore he virtually contests elections against himself
Foreign investment for a nation is the BIGEST downfall of a nation.
Self made is best, although slower 💪
The narrator need to visit a dentist. His teeth are more yellow than the sun in the sahara
"Even by African standards"... "Of course, don't expect a state of the art racing motorcycle"... Damn, tell us how you really feel!
Low standard
How to be a reasonably successful leader in Africa:
1) don't forbid motorcycles
2) if you started a genocide, don't continue it for too long
3) overall, try not to murder too many people, when they run away too much, it affects GDP
=> African singapoor
If it were that easy, my country would be richer than the middle East! 😂
My grandfather always told no country is born poor it is just planned poorly
Whether or not Rwanda decides to have a Republic or an enlightened despotic government is their prerogative. If they could pull a Singapore model, good for them. I hope they continue down the right path of prosperity.
@@rafaelw8115 just because they're not going to be as rich as Singapore wealth is always relative. as far as I could tell, the current dictator relies on the productivity of his subjects to get his treasure, same as Singapore, to pay for the loyalty of his keys.
For like a better term. I will say Singapore is an enlightened dictatorship or enlightened despotic government. Despite him saying that the land does no natural resources, I would argue it's a blessing, not a curse. If you look at all the oil-rich countries, they're all dictatorships because all the dictator needs to do is to take control of the oil and that is his way to raise a treasure.
@@rafaelw8115 as I said earlier, it's not to the subjects and leaders of Rwanda if they want a liberal democracy or if they went to emulate Singapore. If it's the letter case cool I am totally fine with that. That was their choice if they want to transition to a liberal republic, all dictatorships are democracies, Even better that will benefit them greatly.
@@rafaelw8115 to add it to my point, there is something called the resource curse. To oversimplify it. it is a situation where one economic resource, primarily oil, gold, and diamonds, overwhelm the economy so all a dictator has to do is take control of that to get the treasure to buy his keys loyalty.
Now, let's compare that to places that don't precisely have a easily exploitable resource. They got to depend upon the productivity of their subjects, sometimes citizens, to generate the treasure to pay their keys. That is what is likely to forms a republic.
@@rafaelw8115 here's my answer to that. Why should we force a republic on a location which has no historical history of a Republic even working? The United States tried that with the Middle East and the Middle East has no functional right to have a republic due to how tribal the region is. So as I said earlier, it is in the prerogative of both the rulers and the ruled to decide what form a governance they want. Again what form of governance they choose. I don't care. It could be a dictatorship, an oligarchy, or a republic.
Short version is some places just can't have a republic due to history and culture. I'm not sure if Africa, The continent, is even ready for the foundations of a republic. Never mind the actual governmental form.
@@rafaelw8115 I'm not saying it's intelligence or anything like that. I'm saying it's more cultural. The Middle East is a good example due to how tribal those societies are. Oftentimes to the point where people are more loyal to their tribe than the state.
When it comes to the Africans they were too busy killing and enslaving each other. Oftentimes to a hilarious degree and you're telling me these tribes can unite to make a Republic even functional.
There are several preconditions for a Republic to even exist. One of them is a strong middle class of which Africa, or the vast majority of it, Is severely lacking. Oversimplified version is I don't see any of the preconditions for a republic to form.
i like the research and analysis that you put in this episode. I am in Rwanda and I am always saddened by our brothers in Burundi. Their life is very rough rn indeed!
Cut the crap! Not much difference between you two
@@in.edieudonnesworld3167 well, there is.
@@animenation5324
The difference is that Rwandan poor are blocked from migrating outside while Burundians are not.
They will also get into the path of progress.Just a matter of time.
@@1wun1 sincerely, there is no factual basis to what you're saying. All borders of rwanda let all rwandans and foreigners pass, and sincerely, stop research before making such claims.
GDP isn't everything and the country with the lowest life expectancy is Central African Republic. Libya has two or three competing governments. Ethiopia has a devastating civil war, ethnic conflict on top of bad leadership. There's also a drought that is destabilizing entire East Africa. I never hear anything from Burundi.
you herd know
Drought is Somalia problem not Easy Africa as for Kenya the problem is corruption in distributing food in Northern parts
@@martinchege6256 no it’s the whole of east Africa
All the best, maybe one day it will grow.
You should do a video about Haiti 🇭🇹
Why?
Same kind of peoples don’t want to evolve
#1 poorest country in the world Burundi vs #17 Rwanda. 🤔 I think Rwanda will keep growing since Kagame is trained and backed by the UK and USA who had interests in promoting Tutsi power around the time the shooting of the plane and subsequent mineral wars in Congo. Other than God, Washington and London control Kagame’s destiny.
England gives far more money to the congo every year.
Same with the USA: Way more money poured into the congo every year.
@@mitchmazamez1989 Rwanda’s stolen mineral exports namely gold and coltan alone for example are worth more than any aid either country receives. And that estimate doesn’t include diamonds, tin, tungsten, cassiterite, tantalum, coffee, cacao, wood, ivory, gorillas etc.
Those are the reason why people started killing in Congo after your guys’ genocide. Nothing else.
I am a strong supporter and follower of your channel.
I come from from Burundi and I do business in Rwanda.
To answer your question,those 2 countries do not need democracy as we see it in the west.
With uneducated and poor majority of the population,it’s easy and possible to manipulate a hungry person.
Rwanda will probably become a western style democracy in 2050 when the country achieved and surpassed middle income status.
For now,the country needs a pragmatic strong man who cares about the well-being of the population.
On the other side,Burundi CAN also get out poverty if the president decides to read the text book of Kagame and his politics.
Agree 💯. I feel like if both countries start trading and cooperating with each other more, economically and politically, it will trigger be a mindset change and force things to move positively in Burundi like they have been moving in Rwanda.
Why do you think we have to learn from others? One strategy does not yield the same results, unless you have the same mindset, same goals,.. remember that our resources are not equal.
I'm also Burundian. It's true that Burundi is poor, but this guy lied on multiple occasions up in this video. Ndadaye died in 1994? Burundi has no resources? Really? How about Gold, Nickel, Uranium, Cassiterite, etc?
I do not understand how you define poverty. In Burindi people have access to food 3 times a day, health care and education. In Chad, an oil country people don’t have access to one meal day, health care or education. I do not agreed with your analysis.
At least in burundi they have white teeth
Between seeing the title and watching the video I was confusing Burundi 🇧🇮 with Brunei 🇧🇳, which is located on the island of Borneo.
GUYS DOES ANYONE NOTICED THE AGREMENT THIS RUclipsR HAS MADE WITH SAME PEAPLE IN A BOUNCH OF MILLIONS TO DISGRADE THE VISIBILITY OF BURUNDI?
Nice video and very informative.Reduce the speed at which you speak tho…it can help some of us!
Africa seems stuck in the middle ages with kingdoms, people in serfdom and fighting with neighboring kingdoms, I mean countries.
Interesting 🤔🤔🤔 Can you make a video about Swaziland, that would be interesting
Here in Africa politics means lies! That's why your channel means visual politik? However, Burundi exports tea and coffee but due to political reasons eu and USA put Burundi under economic sanctions in other Burundi could not do business with any country. Mark you it is also triple or double landlocked.People take advantage of portraying Burundi negatively as if there are no positive things to talk about. French people say comparison is not a reason! Poverty in Africa is rampant not only in Burundi. In my view Burundi is being targeted unfairly. Even in this region of east Africa if you get a chance to travel widely and go to remote places, you will witness poverty that you had never seen before and yet people qualify these big economies of east Africa as giant economically and yet poverty is raging people dying of hunger like flies or not having three meals allover Africa the scenario is the same. If you travel don't stay in big hotel in the capital go remote places and see how poverty is decimating people !
Burundi should just join Tanzania at this point as a province with special autonomous status at this point. At least they will be connected to the Tanzanian infrastructure and have access to sea.
Burundi, Tanzania and Congo signed a deal to partner on a SGR train that is being built to connect everyone to the port of Dar Es Salaam. The train is about halfway built through Tanzanian but once it reaches the capital of Burundi, Bujumbura, all 3 countries will benefit since the Congolese city of Uvira is 30 minutes away.
Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan also have a similar plan that might connect up to Ethiopia, and the Tanzanian and half built Kenyan lines are supposed to meet in Rwanda
The citizens of the two countries are equally miserable, and we find them looking for work in neighboring countries like Uganda Kenya and Tanzania.
Their leaders are different in that the Burundian dictatorship chased a western friendly dictatorship while Rwanda has a western backed dictatorship.
They also look for work in Congo which is supposed to be poorer than Rwanda 🤔
@@originalsal2141 that's even more surprising
where did you do your research. redo it
The economic hardship, recession, unemployment, and loss of jobs is enough to push people into financial ventures. In this Era no one saves money, due to online trading profitability, in the acts that your money grows while you eat, sleep, or even fuck, lol.
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Wow, that's really impressive
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Democracy is not meant for every nation, nor does it fit every nation, a country doesn't need democracy to be free, and their can be severe lack of freedom with a democratic nation.
Rwanda's current model of governance works for them and it works well, because there's one thing you must remember, Democracy only works well if a society is ready for it and if the government abides by it, as we saw with Burundi, Democracy means nothing, if a leader doesn't abide by it, Democracy also has the negative effect, where there's often too much hands stirring in one pot, which can cause a really negative outcome if all those hand are greedy, corrupt and seeking power.
So with Rwanda, what they have now works for them.
I'm Burundian. I can't say that Burundi is not poor but you made some major mistakes in your videos. 2 Presidents died in the 90's, the first one in 1993 and the second one in 1994. Civil war started in 1993 when the first president got killed, and he was not killed in a plane but at his residence instead. The second president is the one who got killed in a plane in Rwanda. Get your story straight.
Hey, as I am doing an essay on Burundi, I thought you could maybe help me. I am lost between the civil war of 1993 and the one of 1972. Are they same? Was it just one civil war that went on for decades or was it two different civil wars? If you do know some links on the information that you know that would be really nice. Thank you.
@@alifewhereeverythingmatter5704 no worries. Send me your email I can help you out.
Wat country are in
Lol praising someone for denying the fundamental right to freedom of speech, tells me all I need to know
A wise man he is; you should not have the right to incite mass genocide, by the way as alluded to Singapore is the poster child for this type of system and its working tremendously well, economic freedom should be the only freedom people strive for, anything else is chaos.
Yeah, but maybe not all that others need to know
@@freetheworld2671 did u really just say that?
According to many research reports it's actually the Tutsi that killed the Hutu with support of the UN. Crazy part is that survivors today in other countries say that the story told is not the right one.
The story we get in the West is all lies. There was no genocide. There was conflict with 2 contenders but not genocide
Teeth more yellow than RUclips plate on wall.!
Democracy needs to have voters who can access honest news/information and have means to digest that.
Finally, a Non-Ukraine related topic. 🙄
His mouth movements are so satisfying
Kagame used ugandan army by the help of miseven
We should learn from Africa. Why the world is so divided
As An African and American I feel for the poor citizens living under dictatorships because of how free Africans love their freedom no matter what hardship they go through
Burundi has the same oppressive colonial system that hutu governments followed in Rwanda 1959-1994 where their main goal is to oppress Tutsi instead of focusing on developing their country.when they find Tutsi with good jobs they fire them or get them fired cus they are intimidated by them and fear they will take over and rule the country again since they come from kings ,they even kicked out the NGO's that would give jobs to Tutsi,this is a government led by fools(hutu &hutu mixed extremists) where they set a certain maximum percentage of Tutsi people that you are allowed to hire when you hire more you get kicked out the country ,as someone who wants your business to grow you hire who you choose due to potential you see in them so imagine a country telling you no to hire this much number of certain people due to their tribe when you see the potential in them and its your money hence your right to hire as many as you want.
this is the same system of hutu governments in Rwanda 1959-1994 for those 35 years the country was horrible but when Tutsi took over after they stopped the genocide against Tutsi they rebuilt the country from the ashes/nothing and now 27 years later you can barely think that it's the same country hutu destroyed and tore into pieces for 35 years.so it all depends on the leaders,you can't focus on oppressing others 24/7 and have time to develop your country.
Hutu and Tutsi/Hema power are all stupid concepts but they’re unfortunate realities in the Great Lakes region. May Burundi, Rwanda, Congo and Uganda stop the nonsense and develop out of the top 20 poorest countries list.
💯This is the facts that no one wants to talk about, everyone in the government are extremists.
Rwanda under the hutu was richer than Burundi under the Tutsi, the same thing can be observed in each group's exile. The hutu become successful businessmen while the tutsi become soldiers.
Wow I feel much more educated, and ya I was just talking about the good aspects in a little bit of materialism. And as I've been doing some investigating and research into the reactionary procedures in the entanglement of dual realities in a photosynthetic plane, and in the perceiving and attaining of more materialistic focal objects and things in different places. Keep up the good work!
And without as many necessary sacrifices in alot of scenarios as some are often to feel inclined they must to be rewarded, if not only to face the truth rather than happy spirits in different places and peace of mind. And as coconut water can be really good hydration in alot of things that I really love alot. Being a spirit or energy ball without a mortal coil, can feel much more free than being a mummy that might want some grapes or something from far away while grabbing a branch or probably better with a tether just in case though. I'm definitely planning on getting cremated myself though.
You guys need to do a video on the East African Federation plans
Burundi was sanctioned while Rwanda received enormous international aid. And they're still receiving and reparations because of the genocide.
The problems facing Africa is that we have KNOWLEDGE DEPENDENCY on people who have SUPREMACY COMPLEX mentality, to them they think Africa ASSIMILATING to the so called 'WESTERN WAYS' is the ultimate solution but actually they are our biggest hurdle since it only ensures Africans are trapped in a state I term as COLONIAL MINDSET, Let me give an example;
Kenya is one of the most liberal democratic countries in Africa and as a Kenyan I have come to despise it, we are currently having an election today, people who I used to call brothers have become adversaries because politicians are using populist politics to campaign (us verses them) and this has been happening after every 5 years, The 'Supremacist' claim that division and sometimes civil war (2007 elections violence) happened because we are a young democracy but in reality it's no difference from what US experienced in 2020, Politicians started using racial politics, Democrats painted themselves as party for the oppressed while Republicans painted themselves as party for patriots and defenders of the American identity, Americans became more divided and aligned to their political parties more than to their nation to the point of destruction of businesses (BLM) and invasion of the capitol building (proud boys), The reason US never collapsed is because they have MATURED INSTITUTIONS like FBI and the US National Guards that could ensure polarization to the point of armed conflict doesn't happen unlike us who lack the budget finance and sustain such institutions,
Africans we need to decolonize our minds, Firstly, their is nothing such as North and sub Saharan African case studies, our problems are actually related and simple, we all suffer from POVERTY, IGNORANCE and DISEASE that we inherited from colonization, East Asians realized it and decided to prioritize on them, for example; Kenya used to have higher living standards than Indonesia and China till 1980s when we stated to over rely on WASHINGTON CENSUS and British expatriates for policy making, while the Asian Tigers were busy building transport systems, fighting POVERTY by building factories, and defeating IGNORANCE and DISEASE by coping and to some extent stealing technological advances from western countries we were busy recolonizing ourselves, Liberal democracy, respect of property rights and restrains to immediate satisfaction are not the root cause of development but actually they are the fruits of the later.
China knows this and is investing billions on the road and belt project in Africa to ensure we are connected to the global economy by reducing transactional cost of regional trade, when i see Africans getting hyptonized by WESTERN PROPAGANDA i see people who never learn from history, Kagame realized it and he stopped trying to appease WESTERN SUPREMACIST and learn from Singapore's development miracle, i do believe Burundi can learn from Rwanda, with or without a Dictator, if only they adopt a LOOK EAST POLICY, AFRICA needs to learn and ally itself with ASIA (China and India) if they want to escape the vicious cycle of underdevelopment.
1:08 on the right is Kigali?
You shouldn’t be judging Rwanda for Democracy that westerners think that entire Africa lacks, Political systems will not always be built based on Western’s, as our Culture,History, Region and Finance are different as we see things in 96mode.
PK the Great President of Rwanda🇷🇼 Kabeho-Karambe.
I'm an old school Vsauce fan who is watching from Rwanda. Tip for you my friends, the tone of this video is bad. Audiences are global now so you have to be conscious about how you speak. The UK has a poverty rate of 20% (statista). You would never speak about Liverpool or Wales with this tone. Please extend us the same respect. This is why China and Russia score easy wins in Africa all the time. They point to how the west looks down on us, and this video is just one example in a sea of many.
The statement “even by African standards”, is incredibly patronising and condescending. Why is poverty’s yardstick “Africa” when Egypt exceeds the wealth of various Eastern European countries. It doesn’t change the overall quality content of the video, but does suggest an implicit bias that might limit any proper analytical framework.
I think that the Amercan government made money flow to Rawanda.
Before Belgian rule, Tutsi rule was not pleasnt for Hutus. The differences between Hutu and Tutsi had faded in the centuries before Belgian rule but the Belgians did not make the ethnic division out of nothing. The Belgians took an ethnic divion that they found and made it worse as part of divide and conquer program to make it Easier for Belgum to rule their colony.
The Rawandan Genocide was part of a proxy war waged by America and the UK against France and Congo.
The purpose of the Genocide was so that the international community would object to the Kagame dictatorship and would not object to America using Kagame's army to attempt to conquer Congo's mineral wealth for the American empire.
America's attempt to gain control of Congo's minerals has mostly failed but 5 million Congolese got killed as collateral damage from America's attept to get control over Congo's minerals. That makes Bill Clinton the biggest mass murderor of the last 40 years.
The rebels in any situation are never as well armed as the government unless they have foreign backing.
The RPF were a branch of the Ugandan Army and they were armed and trained by America and were better armed than the government of Rwanda.
Rwandans knew that they were about to be conquered by the Ugandan Tutsis so the Hutus did what they always did when the Tutsis make tham angry. They start killing Tutsis.
What the Rawandadan Hutus did not know is that the Ugandan Tutsis did not give a damn about the Rwandan Tutsis.
Ugandan Tutsis thought it was their right to rule over the Hutus just as their ancestors did. Ugandan Tutsis thought it was not OK that Rawandan Tutsis accepted being ruled by Hutus so the Ugandan Tutis were not in a hurry to stop the genocide. Kagame knew that the geoncide was happening but he waited before stopping the genocide because he needed the genocide as a tool for stopping objections to his dictatorial rule.
Bill Clinton knew that thousands would be massacred when Bill Clinton gave the order for the plane carrying the presidents to be shot down. Kagame was not going to shoot down that plane without Bill Clinton's approval. Kagame's army was not going to shoot down that plane without Kagame's approval.
Bill Clinton did not expect the massacres to kill as many people as they did but Bill Clinton understood that the massacrers were necessaery if Clinton was going to use the Tutsi army to take control of Congo's minerals.
Damned evil empire. I hate the Neocons and the Democractic Neocon lite war mongers. The whole post Soviet American foreign policy has been evil, counterproductive and stupid. We have vampires running loose and in charge of our foreign policy blob.
This is exactly what British did to India. They devided Hindus and Muslims. Muslims were minority they were given better facilities and Hindus were kept behind. Later while leaving they cut India into two parts on the basis of religion. Due to which tensions still continue to brew between these two countries.
Im good at Geography and History and im from Africa. This is very interesting and i am also surprised that most people dont know about half of african countries
Grant should brush his teeth 🪥
0:14 I did in a movie called “primeval” about the killer giant crocodile 🐊 in the nation called “Gustav”
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According to your presentation, it is democracy v dictatorship where the later wins in developing the country..so actually Africa needs to define its democracy differently!
They just had sanctions lifted, hopefully they'll get better.
Sanctions Against Burundi were minimal.
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What would be the point of putting them in place if they were minimal?
If Tutsi ruled in Burundi 🇧🇮 things would have been much more better
Are you not ashamed Idk if your Burundian but you shouldnt say that
Rwanda under hutu Habyarimana was richer than Burundi under Buyoya, how do you explain that?
Rwanda has parliamentary elections so how is it a dictatorship?
On the paper almost every country is a democracy, even North Korea that has literally the name "democratic" in it's official name.
You have to look at what happen in the country
Even Russia it's a democracy on paper but the political opponents disappear, die or go to jail, the freedom of press it's almost non existent, the courts are controlled by the government, etc...
@@Assadar5402 means UK is dictatorship? They haven’t changed their queen. They should change their queen before calling other people dictatorship. The people of Rwanda are not complaining. Solve ur own problems, stop looking at other people problems when u haven’t solved urs.
@@vulughovalentine2020 You do realize that the Queen doesnt have any power, right?
@@vulughovalentine2020 The queen doesn't have any power
Most countries in the world, including the West, and Britain and the United States too, were not liberal democracies when they embarked on industrial and technological modernization. It is one of the greatest myths in history to attribute the developed status of the West to liberal democracy. Sure, there were limited and restricted participation elections and there was pluralism, but certainly not universal suffrage and there was a primacy in the belief of state interests for development over various individual rights and civil liberties.
South Korea did not become an industrialized power under Western-style liberal democracy. Park Chung He, the father of South Korea's modernity was a military strongman who came to power via a coup and even though he later became a civilian Head of State, he was an autocratic leader. He was purposively determined to ensure that South Korea became a modern industrialized nation state and he undertook both import substitution industrialization of consumer goods, as well as for exports, and the development of Heavy Industry in terms of steel making, crude oil refining, inorganic and organic chemicals production, manufacturing machinery making (for construction, steel making, motor vehicles, ships, etc), motor vehicles, and ship building.
If anything China's remarkable comprehensive socio economic development over the last 45 years ever since it embarked on market directed reforms of its economy, while remaining an effective one party state and pursuing consultative governance and being largely meritocratic with regards to persons recruited and promoted into and within the ranks of officialdom should be a vivid reminder that Western style liberal democracy is not necessary for development.
Japan during the Meiji Restoration that saw it transformed from a Fedual Nation State into an firmly industrialized one did not do so under Western Style Liberal Democracy. The heavy domination of the Liberal Democratic Party since WW2 is testament to its managed democracy and great cohesion among its power elites.
Rwanda make money looting Congo it’s not the same
I had no idea about the existence of this country until today