What would make JKD the best Self Defense art with Icy Mike
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I say a lot of things.
Some of them good!
You dont survive an Eyejab, when a trained Jeet Kune Do instructor lands it. In Jeet Kune do, as far as i can tell, there is always leaving the center line when punching. Of course a fight depends on the fighter. Its about speed, balance, timing, weight etc. Jeet Kune Do, in my opinion, is the fundamental practise of footwork, reflexes and timing. Bruce Lee has done a lot of Wing Chun, which give you the structure you need in Jeet Kune Do.
Food For Thought: Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.
What I really like and respect is that Icy Mike keeps saying that it’s ok to practice martial arts just because someone enjoys it or likes it, there’s nothing wrong with that. Huge respect to anyone who agrees with him
I’m sure it’s been said, but Bruce Lee did put in his books that you should study all of those things that Icy Mike mentions. Even wrestling is in there. I believe JKD was just to stack on top of the rest.
Yup, those of us who study Bruce have known this forever ...the MMA community for a long time pushed the narrative of Bruce not covering all ranges of combat which is COMPLETELY UNTRUE...if you study his notes and memoirs, it will become apparent that Bruce is indeed the godfather of MMA, which makes the Gracie's the father's of MMA.
Bruce's eyes were definitely opened to grappling after his first encounter with Gene LeBell on the set of The Green Hornet. Tarantino's controversial Bruce Lee scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was loosely based on it. And if I'm remembering correctly, Bruce's quote about biting someone as an escape from being pinned came from some training he was doing with a wrestler who had pinned him. Had Bruce lived, he probably would have discovered BJJ some time in the early '80s when a few of the Gracie men relocated to LA to spread their art. What a lot of people don't know is that the JKD community in LA began to incorporate BJJ into JKD several years before the first UFC. Dan Inosanto and some of his students, most notably Paul Vunak and the Dog Brothers, began to make it part of their curriculum almost immediately.
Yup, JKD was the development of this philosophy. When he died, some people kept studying it the way he left it, and some people like Dan Iosanto continued studying and evolving it.
I had the opportunity to have a self defense primer from one of Vunaks students who I knew through a friend as my introduction to martial arts. Even just seeing PFS from the periphery like that I was impressed by their analytical mindset.
@@malapertfourohfour2112 Awesome. Unfortunately I'd probably recommend not getting too deeply involved with PFS though. Vunak is a bit of a genius as a martial artist, but there's a lot of drama and weirdness within his organization. Absorb what is useful at a distance with that one!
Bruce regretted using a name for his ever-evolving approach to fighting, but I think JKD can be best summed up by one of his own quotes -- "Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is specifically your own." Had Bruce lived, he undoubtedly would have continued to evolve his art, and I imagine he would have a style that looks a lot like today's MMA (I also think he would have been a huge fan of MMA and a regular guest commentator for the UFC). As far as I'm concerned, the person who has evolved JKD in a way that Bruce probably would have after coming into contact with BJJ is Paul Vunak, one of Dan Inosanto's OG students. I know that Vunak has become a controversial figure (he seems to piss off a lot of his students and somewhat shamelessly promote the contract he had for teaching combatives to SEAL Team 6, which probably pissed off the Navy), but he's retained a good bit of Bruce's techniques and concepts (namely the eye jab and straight blast) and integrated them into a modern MMA paradigm with a heavy amount of FMA to address weapons. The Dog Brothers, who were students of both Inosanto and Vunak, have done much to evolve JKD as well, but I think Vunak's JKD is more in line with Bruce's way of moving and conceptualizing self-defense. And notice that I wrote "Vunak's JKD" -- the beauty of JKD is that you take what Bruce gave us and make it your own with an eternal commitment to open-minded physical, philosophical, and spiritual evolution. Thanks for continuing to represent JKD honorably! Bruce's approach to the martial arts will always be useful to all of us!
Tom Harvey is also worthy of mentioning.
Army ranger. Judo and jiu jitsu black belt. Studied under Ted wong. He lives a simplified lifestyle. Good guy. Became pro level (low level pro just above amateur) kickboxer after 7 months. And that was me just fucking around cause I needed money.
Wasn’t traditional in the sense of wing chun or forms. But the few things I was taught (I got into more street fights so it was based around street fighting)still get everyone I go against. Every time.
I will check this guy you mentioned out. As I like to learn new things from different people all the time
Bruce Lee, had another quote, "man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system." The individual is more important, and if something is not covered in a particular style, the individual can learn it for their own benefit.
Matt Thornton, do you know who he is? He's the owner of Straight Blast Gym, the gym of Connor MacGregor, and that is a JKD gym.
As someone who did JKD and transitioned to Dutch Kickboxing and muay thai, I find JKD pops up here and there. Split entries and such take my kickboxing brethren by surprise.
My instructor trained under Inosanto and specialized in kickboxing(big savate background) and was a purple or brown belt in BJJ. So, my experience definitely was oriented toward those two categories.
I think part of the contrast between martial arts really does come down to fighters rather than styles, and not just in the obvious sense where gifted athletes or naturally combative people have advantages in fighting over other people, and will tend to excel regardless of what style they study. That sense is kind of a cop-out, because you can pick a martial arts style to study, but you can't pick what natural advantages to have.
But, when it comes down to it, whether you pick a specific martial art and decide whether or not to stick with it *also* depends a lot on your natural assets. If you're long and lanky and don't have a lot of explosive power, and you want to learn wrestling, maybe you try to join a team in high school, and you get sidelined because you're just not very good at it, so you quit and do something else. If you want to learn boxing, but you're short, stout, and slow, you can join a gym and they probably won't tell you to stop training, because your money is as good as anyone else's, but you're probably more likely to get discouraged if you keep losing in sparring to all your gym-mates. And of course, whether you pick a fantastical style with a lot of woo, or something with a lot of pressure testing and hard sparring against other practitioners, depends a lot on your own personality and what kind of training environment appeals to you.
Wrestlers on average have a major self-defense advantage over karateka in that, if you're the sort of person who'd stick six months with a serious wrestling program, it's pretty likely that you were already more athletic, competitive and determined than the average student who sticks around half a year at your average commercial karate school.
I commented a similar thing over on Mikes video. He ranked wrestling the highest because wrestlers are so tough. But I think that comes from the fact that wrestling is relatively uncommon for adults unless it’s at a very highly competitive level. An Olympic wrestler isn’t more tough than an Olympic Judoka or a high level black belt in BJJ. But there’s a lot of casual practitioners in most martial arts.
@@Sir_Pants_Alot Well it's hard if not impossible to get into wrestling as an adult and very high level competitive wrestlers have incredible strength relative to their size, which is genetic of course. You can reach a black belt in any martial art with mediocre genetics if you put in the time. In that sense I would have to disagree with you about a BJJ black belt being tough...skilled? Absolutely but people who wrestle in the olympics are not only skilled but also exceptionally athletic. Beyond a certain age some wrestling maneuvers arguably become impossible because of the athletism required. A BJJ black belt in his prime could be a pretty mediocre athlete, a judo black belt in his prime a better athlete because of the speed, forces and requirement for competition involved (you cannot realistically compete in judo beyond a certain age because of the bumps) and the wrestler would possibly be the most athletic of them all because the level of competition is high and there are no gentle ways to get a win. Am I wrong? I could be. Would be cool to hear your thoughts.
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Every BJJ black belt I've ever met has been tough. It's widely considered the most respected belt of martial arts because it takes so long to get and you can't fake your way to one. It takes thousands of hours of mat time to be a BJJ black belt. And rolling is BJJ sparring. You're 100% effort way more often than most striking arts. A lot of BJJ involves being uncomfortable or in pain but remaining calm so that you can respond appropriately. That makes a person tough. I've also never seen a BJJ blackbelt that was overweight. At least when they got the belt. Rolling is high effort and you're athletic if you do it consistently.
Do I think the average BJJ black belt is as fit as an Olympian? No. But they are very athletic and BJJ isn't an Olympic sport so it's harder to single out the top of the top 1% for BJJ. I would not describe them as mediocre though. I don't believe there's an intrinsic difference between BJJ and Judo fitness levels. It really depends on the school. You may or may not win competitions but you can be fat and get a Judo black belt. You can also get a Judo black belt as a teenager. Which you cannot do in BJJ. It's exceptionally rare.
The point of my comment was that there exists a subset of "incredibly tough" practitioners of nearly every martial art. Wrestling only seems tougher because there are no casual practitioners. It's ONLY the very tough people. BJJ, Muay Thai, Karate, Judo, etc. all have people that are equally as tough. But they also have a lot more people in total. Most of them not as tough.
@@Sir_Pants_Alot I get your point and some of this stuff is just plain regional. There are no teenage judo black belts in Europe and in Europe it can take ten years to get a black belt in judo OR kickboxing; you don't get a black belt in Europe unless you compete and do fairly well although I have heard that there have been exceptions like someone older doing well in kata. It is my understanding that super-athletic people in America can get a black belt in three years in some martial arts and I remember reading that BJ Penn had his BJJ black belt in three years as well.
Also where I live some martial arts schools like taekwondo schools at least have been known to make allowances for older people testing for a higher belt and 'older' can mean as young as 35. So as much as people ridicule taekwondo a lot of people simply don't have the athletism to get a black belt from a proper school without the standards being lowered. I don't think that's a problem in BJJ. Judo would be a more complex case because the techniques don't require the agility or flexibility of some arts but the grind of the competition may be too much for older bodies; after all the ultimate price in judo is to throw the other guy on his back as hard as you can and trying to fight a throw can easily lead to injury as well.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 Interesting. I guess I don't know much about Judo in Europe. I know in Japan it's not uncommon for teenagers to get Judo black belts before getting out of school by being on the Judo team.
In the US Taekwondo has very little respect and you can get a black belt in 2-3 years without being particularly skilled. Karate is similar. You can find a place that will give you a black belt in 4 years. You can get a black belt in Judo in about 5 years on average.
I know BJ Penn got his BJJ Black belt in 3 years but that was such an unusual occurrence. The amount of people in the world that have earned a BJJ black belt in 3 years or less is under 10. Many of them already had grappling experience such as a Judo Black Belt.
A specific comment about framing.
I train in a Chinese style that teaches framing.
I was doing my shoot (which is only mediocre) and my fellow students were trying to frame and failing.
When the head of the style came in, we asked him about it. He watched.
And said: You aren't getting your center below his. You just slide over.
He had me try. I am not fast but I get really low. And he matched me. Also stopped me in my tracks.
He was as low as I was. And also framed line a forearm strike that smashed into me from sternum to collarbone.
The primary factors being matching my depth, which I didn't see in the video. A slight off angle. And striking with the forearm.
It's not better or worse than a sprawl. It's just when to use it.
I believe if Bruce Lee was alive to see what JKD he would be a little sad. His art has not evolved since his death. I believe if it did evolve, it would be very similar to modern day MMA with a Bruce Lee twist. Though his philosophy has been and will remain timeless.
I completely agree. Bruce was all about learning from other disciplines and taking what worked and learning to combine it in the most effective way. I have zero doubt that if he were still alive JKD would look completely different. Sadly he passed and his art stagnated. I think those who trained with him wanted to maintain his legacy but never fully embraced his philosophy. I do love that we’re starting to see videos like this where we question the practical applications and how we could potentially improve on them. I think Bruce would appreciate this type of thing.
It's all good just watch Sanda. It's essentially modern fighting with a King Fu twist to it. Bruce Lee would be proud. Jeet Kune Do is stuck in the classical mess now though, ironically
I agree as well I believe Jean LaBelle Train Bruce Lee in what they call technical wrestling as Mcfolley calls it which is the kind of wrestling professional wrestlers used to do back in the old days black and white during the time of radio and just shortly after the intervention of TV that type of wrestling is not really seen anymore submission's tearing each other apart kind of thing but I'm sure he would have added that to his Jeep condo in an actual fight So wrestling as I see Mike said would definitely be a must for JKD
Jeet kune do is actually still evolving with jkd instructors of today,some still stick to the Jun fan part of it but a lot of them are putting stuff from other arts in it because they know that's how bruce lee wanted it to be.
Depends on your perspective.... MMA is modern day JKD..... JKD was developed to beat the trend...... MMA constantly evolves to beat the trend... and round and round it goes.
Mike had a really great comment about Ninjutsu and its effectiveness in that video. One of the most important things about 'self-defense' is situational awareness and getting the hell out of dodge when things look like they're going to get hairy. If you spend all your time training sensitivity and situational awareness, like Ninjutsu claims to, then you'll be better at avoiding problems than someone who's looking to test their martial art on some bad guy.
Mr. Miyagi said it best: Best defense, no be there.
More of this, please. Good stuff!
This was a really good topic to discuss.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
I studied JKT for a year and what I remember most about it was it was a blend of different martial arts for dealing with different situations: for mid/short range/clinch striking it drew a lot from Muay Thai, ground work was a blend if wrestling and jiu jitsu, and I peaked just starting to learn knife fighting which drew from arnis. The primary philosophy of JKT I was taught was, inflict as much pain with as little effort as possible to 1) discourage your opponent from continuing the fight and 2) giving yourself the opportunity to escape.
So thats probably a long winded way if saying I agree whole heartedly with the message of this video that practical self defense comes from lots of different techniques and arts to be able to deal with different practical situations you would encounter in a street fight.
Yep, that video Mike did with Rokas was great. And this was a great follow up as well. Can't state enough how much I love the two of you together, such great banter alongside banger content 👌🏼
I'm nearly 60. I started boxing at 8 and I've trained in many styles including kung-fu, karate, trad jujitsu, bjj and, muay thai... and the best all round comprehensive and all inclusive training I ever did was with Bob Breens JKD academy in London uk. JKD is the original MMA.. it's a synthesis of what works and is brilliant for self defense.
Great content and analysis! Thank you
Thank you 🙏
Love the content and crossover man keep it up!
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Great video boys, the subject matter reminded me of my eldest brother. When I was a kid he was a doorman (a bouncer as we say in the UK). He studied karate for many years, he also boxed, kick boxing, even some judo. He was always looking to add new things to what became 'his way' of fighting, which was always field tested regularly on a Friday or Saturday night at the club, when a alcohol fuelled customer decides to have a go at him.
That’s how I tested my stuff.. started pro wrestling..don’t wanna hear its fake..we know..but learned moves that would work ..I was big then and learned suplexes. They work especially when ppl run at you.. I’ve distinctivelysuplexed several ppl without thinking in real life. Always evolvong
@@mikefugate5455 How do effectively suplex someone in a street fight while maintaining your own head & neck safety?
Never tried it not on wrestling mats, just seems like a good way to knock both of us out.
This is a great video. And thank you, this reflects much of my own journey in my teens and twenties. When I was in high school in the 80s I started with Tae Kwon Do as my base. I got in a fight and I backfisted and groin kicked a wrestler, and he took me down with a double leg takedown, just like Icy Mike described. So I asked one of my wrestling buddies about how to defend against a double leg takedown and he taught me to sprawl. I took Judo to have some bit of ground game. Then I got in another fight and with someone with really quick hands, so I learned some Wing Chun and boxing to give myself some trapping and short range capability. I joined the Navy when I was 19, and got in some altercations with weapons, so I worked out with more guys to try to plug the holes. While I was stationed on a ship I studied Aikido for two years with a guy who was also a high school wrestler. Then studied JKD with one of Paul Vunak's students, and he was incorporating BJJ (this was mid 90s, just as MMA was starting to get popular) to add the ground game to JKD. Vunak was really into headbutts, knees, and elbows, so I learned to flow from trapping to muay thai style clinch work. So basically I took the path that Icy Mike described.
So, that's my TED Talk to say, that this really resonated with me. Thank you!
One criterion they used when making the list that Mike forgot to mention and is super important is that it would be the average dojo for an average student and not the best dojo or an exceptional student.
im very happy to have found this channel
Thanks so much!
Lol. Love it. Mike sent me here! Glad I found you Ed! Best wishes always!!
Any style is a concept. JKD is a concept of simplicity, directness and efficiency, economy of motion. -Thomas marx
This is spot on!!!!
You and Mike make a great combo. I love the coop videos
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“I’m gonna be Frank, even though I’m Ed.”
Beat me by one second.
By the time I got to minute 4 I was thinking "much of what Mike is talking about appears (I think) in Bruce Lee's Fighting Method... so a competent Jeet Kune Do instructor would've been updating those defences as necessary, don't you think?
The real question is then - did Bruce teach what's in that book(s) in his Jun Fan Gung Fu/JKD curriculum?
@@metrolinamartialarts He obviously had self-defence responses to the techniques on Mike's list otherwise they wouldn't have appeared in the book... I can't say how/when they were trained but it seems logical that if it's part of your arsenal, then it's a part of your "curriculum", doesn't it?
Is your question implying that somehow it wasn't?
@@dwightwoods I think the problem is, martial arts, and specifically grappling has advanced a lot in the US since Sijo Bruce Lee's time. Sifu Dan Inosanto has mentioned that martial arts "technology" has evolved, and to remain effective, you need to adapt your JKD.
What Sijo Bruce Lee's taught against grappling in the 60s and 70s wouldn't be adequate against a modern well trained fighter. Back then, it was considered unsportsmanlike to kick a guy on the ground.
@@SodaPopin5ki so there’s actually no problem then, right?
It was good to hear Icy Mike address the fact that the term self-defence becomes an advertising term to tell people what type of thing a place to be teaching.
So fun!
Thanks
Good stuff.
I love the honestly in the videos , modern look into tradition
I would say another couple of criteria that need to be taught to be self defense are:
-escape from under someones mount while being attacked
-getting up from the ground safely while being attacked
Love open minded and honest martial arts discussions
Same goes for self defense.
Absolutely
There's a guy called Mick Coup from England. He's got a great approach to the self defence industry. Really breaks it down and educational.
One of the categories I add in is Duelling. So many upper level techniques aren't general self defense but defeating a peer opponent.
As a note about framing... The primary issue is the body mass drop, just like the sprawl.
If you have time to sprawl, you have time to do a good frame. Which is getting weight and center equal or lower to than the wrestler. And drive it in with a good forearm strike.
They both work. Pick your money and take your chances.
Late Pick up, I tend to go for an inner thigh sacrifice throw and then into ground work.
Another late pickup option is driving their forehead into the ground. Which hurts a lot more than on mats. It's also prefaced by being comfortable with grappling.
The big thing I saw missing was the lack of angling off before eye jab dick kick.
No getting off the X.
Plus assumption that it works. Dick kicks take a few seconds to work.
There are a lot of options, depending on skill set.
I agree with Icy Mike. Make sure the art has ways to deal with the most common, dangerous stuff.
Many solutions. Just have one that is pressure tested and works.
I got a huge chuckle out of: Hey, we have self defense on our buildings.
I got a Krav Maga certificate just for marketing purposes. Not that KM is bad. Just that anyone who has been around a while can do it.
Great and fun video.
I just found out you are only 6 hours away.
That's in easy seminar range.
Love to meet and train sometime in the future!
"Dueling" isn't self defence, you insane idiot.
I totally agree especially with today's way of fighting
"You learn martial arts, you cobble them together into your own self defense thing."
There. You just described the essence of what Bruce (probably) intended JKD to be. There's a reason why he kept adding things to the system until his death.
True, but I've also heard the argument that part of what makes JKD, JKD is following certain principles, such as directness, interception, and economy of motion...and stuff I don't remember.
@@SodaPopin5ki Late response but I would argue that was what worked for Bruce Lee himself. Lee has said in an interview that he believes martial arts is meant to be about self-expression like any other art. Figuring out what works for YOU is what JKD means. For him, it means interception, economy of motion, all that stuff. Those were HIS principles approaching JKD.
Someone else, learning martial arts, could be entirely different in their approach. And that's the point of his philosophy. Using martial arts to express oneself and approach it your own way.
@@joshuakusuma5953 I think the problem when defining JKD is it essentially has two definitions. It literally is the "Way of the Intercepting Fist" which to me, implies interception is the way. But he also defined it as a personal expression.
This gets to the whole "concepts" vs. "Original JKD" debate.
Some folks will say it isn't JKD because Bruce Lee didn't teach that technique.
For me, it falls somewhere in the middle, where the concepts Bruce Lee used in his personal fighting style are applicable to other techniques. But if the techniques go against such concepts, like economy of motion or are too indirect, I wouldn't consider that JKD.
@@SodaPopin5ki Well, Bruce Lee did also say that JKD is just a name and not to fuss over it.
This is the quote.
"If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from this or from that, then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don’t fuss over it"
There's also this:
"Jeet Kune Do: it's just a name; don't fuss over it. There's no such thing as a style if you understand the roots of combat."
Which I think tracks with Bruce Lee's teachings of keeping an open mind and absorbing what works for oneself in order to achieve an honest expression.
beautiful thing about jkd that we learned today guys...
whatever the move is and wherever it came from it can be put into jkd...
cuz its not a set style therefore it can have any technique
"use what works, discard what doesn't" - bruce said it not me
Truth! Absolute truth. You have to have a sport base with a self defense mindset. Think street train sport... that's what JKD is to me. It takes effective tactics and techniques... spars it... trains it... and mentally applies it to all aspects. Be it sport or self defense. I teach and train specifically Muay Thai (base striking and kicking with clinch), BJJ (base ground and clinch with takedowns), and Filipino Kali (edged and impact weapons, with empty handed tricks)... and I'm a full instructor on JKD under Inosanto and Vunak. On top of being a law enforcement officer in Denver. It's this mindset that has worked for me in my career, sport, and in self defense situations. Great video brutha!!!
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Best advice from Icy Mike…”that’s ok, if you want to do something cause you like it, that’s ok.”
Buffalo Wild Wings! LOL That was awesome! :) Actually ate there tonight :) But yeah...I can see that LOL Yeah, the issue when many try to do comparisons between different arts is most have only seen the surface or limited amounts of an art and they judge solely on that, which while not usually accurate, is understandable. Bottom line...no Art is complete, although I do believe JKD is very effective in the street but yes, does have some shortcomings. In my opinion, and that of Navy Seal Pat Trey (I'm sure Guru Balicki has mentioned this to you) Kali comes the closest and Silat is up there as well. That's why I like the near perfect Trifecta that Guro Inosanto teaches of blending the 3 :)
kali (stick and knife ), thai boxing , weston boxing , bjj ..covers it all for the street
Was waiting to see everyone else's opinion but turns out i'm first.
I waited a little longer :)
Nope last and doesn't matter ìf you got nothing worthwhile to say
Sage is the one whom knows the dangers of Buffalo Wild Wings! 🤣 Great Vid!
Also, if you do get taken down, hug their head to your torso, free your arm, and rain dropping (vertical) elbows into the top of their head, or their spine... it's hard to pass the guard when you're actively losing teeth and/or IQ points. By engaging the core, one can generate great power with a vertical elbow, even on ones back. I always teach that the ground is where you go to die. if you're outnumbered or your foe is armed, once you're on the ground your likelihood of survival plummets sharply.
It is the best. What makes it the best is winning quickly. Accuracy and payload. Thinking out of the box. Expressing the true inner animal. Whatever yours may be. 🐉💥🙏
Hi Ed, Great collaboration with IcyMike! it would be interesting to see your thoughts on Bruce's Self Defence volume in his Bruce Lee's Fighting Methods series because Bruce does have some responses there that I don't think most JKD guys cover.
Those books are a decent starting point, but you dont learn much just from the books. Proper form and technique still must be taught through a good experienced teacher. The books is something you refer you while training from an instructor.
@@jkdfighter4964 Of course. Never said anything about learning from a book only. Would be fun to see Ed go over the material to see his perspective is all.
Physical force is a part of self defense to be avoided but used should be decisive.
Self defense, preservation of tradition, combat sport, are all different applications of martial arts, "outputs" if you will.
Your choice of output affects the way you train, how you plan your strategies and how you apply your skills. So I agree with you both that all the arts that was mentioned have something lacking in terms of self defense, but like you mentioned, everyone (well almost) would not admit their style is incomplete
Mike be like "wrestle lol", which is true tbh
I choose to like this. I choose to comment. I choose to Subscribe. I choose to call Mike an asshole every time he's right.
Ed mentioned that he wasn't sure how he feels about the extended block (four corners?) block against overhand/haymaker punches. Does he recommend this block to students for self defense?
I do not - it leaves your face wide open. But the tight cover I do advertise.
Thank you! Love your videos.
I thinks that these two are very talented Martial artists. I'd love to see these guys spar because I can see myself learning a lot from these two gentlemen👍💯🙏
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This is why I got into wrestling, and then got into JKD... I know how to counter a grapple... Plus, if you ever run at me, bad idea, because if I see you coming, I'm going to have the advantage, simply because I'll use your own inertia against you. My reaction time is fast. So, here is a warning to anyone who thinks they can attack me... You might wanna think twice, or u'll end up hurting or worse, accidentally, on purpose. I don't wanna hurt anyone, but will if needed. And accidents happen. I've accidentally broke my own cousin's nose in a play fight.
I train specifically to protect my buffalo wings
Good man.
fucking amazing video!
I'm gonna beat the shit out of a dead horse here. The best self defense leads to the least amount of people getting hurt. So not fighting at all is the highest goal. People give "traditional" martial arts a hard time, but honestly? Most of them go for that highest goal. Aikido, Hapkido, Shotokan, etc. all teach to be kind, respectful and peaceful. If shit does hit the fan, they'll be in trouble, but they are way less likely to even get into a bad situation.
Great vid. It’s a difficult process to accept that you main system is flawed or isn’t 100% the best. But that’s ok. It’s part of the learning. Even Bruce had to go away from Wing Chun
The way I teach jkd, I address all the 6 things Mike mentioned and teach my students. Well within the first year. But I'm not a classical jkd guy. More contemporary. Cool vid!
Thank you much!! 🙏
The camera couldn't take the awesome:)
I guess not lol
Mike... You just perfectly described Gracie Combatives
This is always interesting, because I did varsity wrestling in high school for 3 years, but I never felt like I could fight.
That's interesting! I think Martial artist look at the athleticism of wrestlers and imagine the possibilities
@@metrolinamartialarts My situation might just be a combination of mentality and what you guys keep saying as "pressure testing situations"
Yes I did go to state and compete and against other wrestlers, I feel like I would do fine, but I never fought a muay thai guy or a boxer.
I'm also 5'5 125lbs. So I'm hesitant to say "yeah I'll kick your ass". The most I would go is "yeah, I'll take you down and then leave the fight" Which I guess is a type of self-defense.
@@aznskills90214 yeah don't discount that
@@metrolinamartialarts Definitely.
Been loving your content! Keep it up. I found you through Icy Mike, but really I would call him Flashlight Mike LOL
I'm going with you said Facebooks intentially... and yes I laughed. be well.
So are you guys and Seth located all really close to each other? It would be a blast to come down and train!
Within driving distance
@@metrolinamartialarts Noice. I only have a small channel, but I'm trying to start traveling and visiting the RUclipsrs I enjoy. Thanks for the videos!
MMA fighters tend to stop after an eye poke or groin strike. So perhaps, if those techniques works on pros, it will also work on a kid who wrestles in high school for a year.
They work specifically because the ruleset allows resets, dqs, etc. If your life was on the line, I'd power through that shit
@@metrolinamartialarts I got kicked in the groin before, and even if my life was on the line I probably would have been in the same condition back then, i.e. on the ground incapacitated in a fetal position. Btw, I enjoy your content, keep up the fantastic work!
1:45 😂OMG. Are you kidding me. JKD is super effective. Super duper quick. Deadly even. I wrestled for nearly 10 years I put work into the mat. 💯🙏But my JKD stuff I do now. Blows it away. It’s two different worlds. This is HARD FFFF CORE STRIKING we’re doing nowadays. ❤🐉💥🙏
I hear ya - but jkd as it's taught from 1973 doesn't have the modern day wrestling. Because you added wrestling to yours doesn't mean it's the standard.
@@metrolinamartialarts right but brother. I’m telling you. I know something that I’m willing to share with you, that’s gonna make your entire life and practice so much better. 🐉💥it’s anti grappling. A series of natural spikes produced by the body. A type of trapping that resembles a sword fighter, it’s long, detached, it stays ahead of time by shifting. Hard to explain. Easy to teach. It will change your entire outlook on JKD as a real pragmatic self defense vehicle. 😉💥💯🙏 I’ll stop back by real soon. I’ll think of a way to show you easily, without a personal exchange. I could just explain it to you while you have a partner to draw it up with possibly. Great video too. 💯🙏
Another good one! Although look into TRUE ninjutsu. Not the American and modern Japanese television version lol.
Hey Ed!
Not sure if you have beef with Carruthers lineage of JKD, but one of his students started to extend 'closest tech, nearest target' concept against a double leg.
Video here: ruclips.net/video/2MJh-8u8fK0/видео.html
(In case you don't allow links search title 'BRUCE LEE'S NO FIGHTING STYLE BUT HOW? - Jeet Kune Do')
What curriculum version do you mean when 'JKD doesn't do any of those things'?
Sometime in the 60's or another iteration edited by Inosanto or Balicki?
Politeness edit: Thank you for the collab with Mike
(You'll also notice my comment on that linked video which still pending an answer on the robustness of his ground recovery curriculum.)
I have no beef - but definitely they never actually grappled before. Gouging the eyes only works for a second before the move the hand away and still go forward. Downward elbow strikes don't work in the fast motion. It just leave s a lot to be desired...
Unfortunately, it begs the question of video evidence of it being used in self-defense or on the streets.
JKD has it was in the 60s and early 70s didn't have the sprawl.
@@brusli1732 Tommy never met Bruce. Jesse and Bruce ha da huge falling out. Ted Wong received his JKD cred from Inosanto. Get it right or shut up.
@@brusli1732 if you believe it is useless, you are correct.
I discovered the cause of my own ignorance, I hope find yours. It'll start with your arrogance.
@@metrolinamartialarts generally agree with your assessment. Can't exactly test back of the head and neck strikes in an ethical/safe way.
Carruthers stuff has its advantages being easy to remember. Last I heard Inosanto had 27 different structures in his curriculum. Great for historians to practice, but will be overwhelming for beginners.
Back against the the wall, I'll remember the main damaging tools: eye gouge, side kick, and groin jik tek. Though taking a class day to learn the sprawl wasn't an expensive investment in either time or money.
Too bad many sects of martial arts seem more interested in dismissing other systems and burning bridges not even yet built. Using words like 'Your material is shit' as a stranger on the internet, especially to another person offering free knowledge won't help anyone grow.
Thanks again for your perspective Ed. I'll keep gouging, kicking, and occasionally sprawling before getting back to my feet.
You bite my ear when I'm on top of you I'm gonna be very mad and on top of you - not a good combo.
What would make JKD the best Self Defense art?
Wrestling.
Even Bruce Lee when he was in America realized pretty much all Americans needed was Wrestling + Boxing. That was his conclusion of being over here. A very obvious one too.
Well, honestly. The BUI SAO entry using a WING CHUN KALI destruction model is best for the first barrier. Second barrier. Traditionally, we would use the CHEUNG CHOY (cross punch) as soon as we get a turtle she’ll response. Other methods were to trap the second barrier or go around it. Now, we go right through em with VERTICAL FIST 🤛 and BUI GEE alternating them. Watch ABES video where he does the JKD 5. You’ll see how to fence with the hands. But generally speaking, we ought to be crashing into these boxers and kick boxers as long as possible. And make them run into our various SPIKES. A hit to the throat kills a punchers chance off rip.
A hit to the throat does NOT end a match.
@@metrolinamartialarts I just think you haven’t seen what I’m referring to. Have you seen DAN INOSANTOS trapping tape? He shows us what Bruce was going for? Literally the eyes and throat set up the big shots.
@@JKDVIPER I have. I've trained with Dan Inosanto for a bit now at seminars. I'm under his son-in-law in jkd.
I disagree with the sprawl from wrestling (and I wrestled a long time) when it comes to striking, that sprawl is designed to work against the very specific deep stance of wrestling. If there is striking involved (where you're very upright) trying to pull of the sprawl is about not going to work it's just to slow to see it then pull it off. But are other things like throwing your hip forward into the shot that will stop a shot cold that still works while standing.
Double Leg Defense by Kyle Dake has some ideas that would work better when striking.
That's good input!
Paul Vunak added BJJ and Kali in 80s , most of his instructors are BJJ BB or Brown belts , Also most are skilled Kali instructors as well .
Mike also said "Kali sticks are awful self defence weapons because they are too light". * Spamface moment
Uh.. well - we can't agree on everything
@@metrolinamartialarts true that, break out the Kamagong iron wood ;)
@@PBas-qq4uh nah too heavy for me 😅😂
as i remember you said training for 1 year.
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Bruce Lee is quoted many times as saying that the first art he wanted his son Brandon to learn is Judo, which deals with the inevitable grappling situations. However JKD DOES have the sprawl. How do I know?? Have you read the multiple volumes of his book Bruce Lee's Fighting Methods by M. Uyehara? In it you see Bruce Lee actually demonstrating a defense against a tackle with a wrestling sprawl. So Bruce already practiced the sprawl. Now, why are modern day JKD practitioners not doing it? That's on them, that's not on Bruce because Bruce already included it way back in the 1960s.
It has never been taught in any jkd class I've taken. It's very telling.
I am aware of the sprawl referenced in that book. I believe Bruce had a "sprawl"
Wrestling is the most-practiced martial art in the USA, simply by the numbers. To me, the #1 thing you have to be prepared to deal with as far as self-defense goes is if a big, aggressive human male shoots a double on you.
Good thing the world doesn't revolve around the USA.
buffalo wild wings lol
Great video even for the ninja 🥷
truths here
- I punched a kid.
+ ... 😐 ... You were a kid too right?
We could make an Anakin and Padme meme with that 😂😂😂
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I think The label of SELF DEFENSE
Is an illusion
I believe
Every art can defend or kill an enemy depending how much time you put into any type martial art training
Kung fu can be label as a martial of self defense but too many to tell when it comes to Kung fu hustle
You guys are awesome
I love watching y’all
I went to a school that had jkd shoot wrestling. I never got to take it tho and not sure the origins
It's from Yori Nakanura and Dan Inosanto -- Yori brought shooto from Japan
Nice video! This Kung Fu guy agrees.
6:38 Yes it does. We have QUAN SAO? ✅We have HARM JAANG ✅
Self Defense is a legal term, indeed. Yet, it's the term we've got for it... Urban Survival actually exists, and here in Brasil is a shit-hole, but it does deal with studying maps and statistics, studying body language and knowing gang slangs... Etcetera, but those are exceptional courses for security personal... Not classes you can walk in and sign up. The only reason I know about those is because my neighbor is a security guard and even he doesn't sign up for most of them because they are expensive.
The 7th criteria is that the art needs to incorporate the backwards cap.
That's very true
But your statement about the timeline is very accurate. Traditional martial arts is entirely more time consuming, but it also has much higher potential than the modern approaches to training. But undedicated people should avoid arts like that as they won't receive much results
You're not Rusty Shackleford...you make too much sense...Dammit Dale!
@@patrickgalligan7770 finally! Someone actually got it lmao 🤣🤣
@@patrickgalligan7770 think about it tho, dale was always dropping them truth bombs tho lmao 😅
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 Haha, yes, some times. Other times it was about how vikings were aliens from the pyramids or something like that. In either case, he was not so articulate.
@@patrickgalligan7770 i mean he certainly has his moments, that's for sure lol. And it is some of the more crazy things he says that are the true ones, government n stuff like that lol
I am curious, doesn't Jeet Kun Do also cover fighting with and against sticks and knives and improvised weapons?
Addendum: Would combining Jeet Kun Do with Combat Sambo cover all 6 raised points?
I think Bruce had a basic understanding of defense against weapons as he covered them in his Fighting Method books; however, it is not in Jeet Kune Do at large
@@metrolinamartialarts Interesting. I was under the impression he was very taken with fencing and FMA.
I think it is covered in combat Sambo though. Which leads back to the addendum. Would Combat Sambo cover the weaknesses of Jeet Kun Do?
@@BobSmith-oo7ei it could
The answer is the same across all martial arts, to focus more on the internal or "soft" power of martial arts. If you do not have use of that you can never be truly great
The only thing I will take from jeet kune do is three ways to attack which is before,after,during
My personal issue with jkd, and this is also true for many other styles that are not that competition based: the quality differs to much. You can be in a great school and be a legit fighter, or you can be a glorified larper. That is why even though good jkd is great, for a complete novice without extra information about the clubs I would rather send them towards muay thai, savate, judo, boxing, bjj, wrestling, etc. because the quality of the training is just so much more consistent. Then chances of him/her ending up at a bad school is much smaller due to competiton being an inherent factor to the training and weeding out the larpers.
Agreed 100%
Show more of the mook jong
Can do!
Seems fair.
A contrarian agreeing?!
@@metrolinamartialarts isn't that the ultimate contrarian move, to say what isn't expected? LOL
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Sorry guy.
The only thing I disagree with is the eye poke situation as somebody who has been accidentally poked in the eye before in light sparring so with no vicious intent, I could easily say it temporarily blinds you and makes your eyes pour. I believe in a situation like that you could take the fight to the ground under some circumstances but I highly doubt you'd be able to do much considering your eyes are temporarily messed up. But that's the only thing I disagree with, I agree a lot of jkd instructors aren't pursuing bruce lees philosophy and its damaging to his legacy.
I agree!
At the end of the day, I think there are really two kinds of martial arts, strikers and grapplers. I'm not saying that there aren't nuance but you only have two arms and two legs. Because of that fightings styles aren't really that "different", since there's only so much range of motions that you limbs can make
That's a good take
The best martial art and the beat self defense style is the one you actually practice.
When you practice seriously, you realize what it lacks, and work to fix it.
Great point
True. It's harder to try to use something, that one is unfamiliar with. Unless it's used in the right circumstances.
i sprall alot bing 5 6 i got no reach