The inclusion of weapons is the critical difference between self defense and combat sports. Generally mma gyms don't give any curriculum space to wrestling over knives, guns, or clubs.
A simple idea that could be implemented into a combat sport ruleset is awarding points for showing that you could have made an illegal shot. Strikes to the back of the head are banned in MMA, but that means MMA fighters don't train in a way that cares about defending against them, so the sport y'all should invent (I'm too lazy) will incentivize good habits without needlessly endangering the fighters. Bonus idea: have fighters perform the banned moves on equipment that gauges how powefully they can perform them to base how many points they can get for them (or whatever quantative dimension is appropriate to the technique). Again, this ruleset incentivizes developing abilities that will be useful outside of the ring. Plus, it means if someone is capable of killing you with an elbow to the back of the head, you'll know that defending against it is a top priority in that fight (again, a useful skill).
@@metrolinamartialarts Thanks! I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on something like this in a future video (if that sounds like fun to you -- maybe you could just banter about it with Icy Mike, Armchair Violence, Jesse Enkamp, or Sensei Seth).
The Gracie brothers often say you don’t have to win in a street fight self defense situation. If you and your family are safe then you have “won”. And to me, if you win a street fight, most likely you will be in trouble
@@metrolinamartialarts sure, in a MMA fight, a winner is determined by a KO, Submition, or judge’s decision. But a “winner” of a street fight/self defense situation is different, your ultimate goal is to walk away alive. You don’t NEED to ko an opponent, simply stop the aggressive nature. It could end in a ko or choke out, but that also potentially comes with a flip of the script. If you seriously injure a person, when you could have walked away, now you are the one with legal issues ect
Um no I've held down belligerent people by their wrists with 0 violence until they burned themselves out. Never got in trouble holding someone down. Had a friend who would physically abuse his girlfriend who was also my friend, so I have had to beat his ass multiple times. Never got in trouble because I had a friend to vouch for me that she was in danger.
I've noticed something about the different chain breakfast diners in regards to combat. You go to Denny's if you want to see some David Lynch shit while partaking in a relatively safe mutually agreed upon fight. You go to IHOP if you are a big fan of felony fights and don't care too much about safety, yours or otherwise. And you go to Wafflehouse if you are actively looking for blood, hunting long pork.
The other integral aspect is that self defense that makes it tactically different than combat sports is the absence of time limits and stalling penalties. In combat sports, stalling or running away gets you penalized or your lose. In self defense those concepts are not always the right idea, running away from somebody is surprisingly hard, and sometimes you are the one under time pressure, but they are always an option. There is also the interplay with the law and consequences to be considered, but that is also thing that can be discussed with a lawyer.
@@metrolinamartialarts This is something I explain to my swordsmanship students a lot. Attacking someone who absolutely won't move or attack is a difficult thing to do in swordsmanship without risking a double hit, i.e., you swing and then they suicidally just lash out somewhere else and you both are injured or dead if the blades were sharp. While we have tools for dealing with that I also bring up one option you'd have most of the time in a "street" sword fight back in the day if someone wants to just not engage you is to just walk or run away.
Situational awareness or presense of mind, quick physical reactions or reflexes, mental strength or toughness, composure or self-confidence, resourcefulness, the instinct or the will to fight back and defend yourself, knowing when to fight back or when to just run away as fast as you can, avoiding people places and situations that potentially lead to heated altercations or violent encounters, and your martial arts/fighting/self-defense skills and techniques (if you have any or some) which you have spent long periods of time practicing and training, can drastically increase your chances of successfully defending yourself and surviving potentially violent self-defense encounters. Speaking based on my personal experience as a self-defense practitioner.
Weapons training vs. empty hand mostly changes the surfaces of safe contact and ranges of engagement, imo doing weapon v. weapon and weapon v. hands in aikido for years, in a yang tai chi for about half those years, and having grown up learning to play with heavy fighters in the 90s SCA. (If you doubt that other background I said, the childhood I describe was very full of light sparring that resembles modern HEMA stuff, often with an adult.) Changes to the stakes seem to go along with changes to where the safe and winning angles are and how difficult it is to reach them at the right times. One could have a sport that incorporates that kind of thing, like a boffer LARP or some kind of survivable pro thunderdome situation. But designing something like that which isn't a military scenario or the like seems tricky, probably for the same reasons that duels have rules by which they feel socially "fair" to societies that allow them.
Another thing that is often frowned in sparring/combat upon is slams. If you sprawl with a collar tie and snap down someone's face into the ground or step on their foot and push. You might win more... you might go to jail... it's a toss up
Very awesome yall did together you both went back and forth on alot of good topics broke them down and I think explained them well. When yall starter mentioning usage of knowing how to clinch like in muay thai it reminded me of Izzo wing chu. He took wrestling before wing chun and alot of what jake mentioned about feeling pressure of people in a clinch and knowing how to react Izzo shows alot of that in his vids.
Iain Abernethy is awesome, I really like his translations of traditional karate kata into actual self defense principles. His understanding is exceptional
Great stuff! In the "integral to self defense" section, I would add running away. And by that I don't mean "Just run away, bro", but jogging, sprinting, climbing, parkour, chase-tag-grappling. Like weapon defense, it's only contextually useful, but oh boy is it good to have in the bag when it is. Am I overrating it (if so why)?
I plan on doing Krav maga (still unsure if the place does pressure testing/sparring/real scenario drills, but it caters to military/ LEO clients so I imagine so) while learning the fundamentals of everything, then after spending enough time on all fundamentals going into MMA. Then training for being a fighter and going as close as I can to professional fighting. While I have no interest in competing or professional fights at ALL, as the risk of injury increases exponentially in real competition, and I want to learn Martial Arts/Combat Sports/Self defense to AVOID being seriously life alteringly injured in said neccessary scenarios, training to that degree is somewhat neccessary to be skilled and good enough at self defense. Also such knowledge skills and experience will be needed to a degree for my ideal career path(s). I've also been looking into traditional melee weapons training and modern melee as well, mostly for unarmed vs armed but that is not very common. Usually it is as mentioned, dueling or weapon vs weapon, or just weapon handling/use with no real sparring.
Did Armchair Violence start using his regular voice? He sounds way less screechy and it makes me much less inclined to murder him. (I'm just joshing you, AV. I enjoy your stuff.) Anyway...yes, the overlap between combat sports and self-defense fighting is probably around 75-80%. The overlap between combat sports and self-defense generally (awareness, avoidance, weapons, etc.) is probably about 25-50%. One thing on the "experience" discussion -- "sparring" is not a boolean variable. There's four general factors in sparring -- scripting (do I know what will happen?), compliance (is the opponent allowing me to do things?), restriction (are there any techniques/tactics that are off the table?) and risk (are there any costs to losing -- pain, embarrassment, money, etc.?) These four factors can be combined in a lot of different ways and at different levels to generate experience. Its not just a question of "do you spar?" and "do you spar hard?" I would say the NECESSARY aspects of self-defense fighting that are not part of combat sports are not move lists, but: 1) weapons -- not just purpose built weapons, but also improvised weapons 2) asymmetric environments -- areas that aren't built to be fair (they're oddly shaped, they have things in them, etc.) to both fighters 3) ground/footing -- areas that have uneven ground, hard ground, loose rocks, wet ground, slippery ground, etc. 4) multiple opponents -- the chances of fighting off multiple people are very low, but the difference between lasting 20 seconds and 2 minutes can be the difference between help arriving or not 5) clothing -- fighting in things other than athletic apparel and bare feet...especially the incorporation of shoes and outerwear Self-defense training might be fun or not, depending on the kind of guy you are. But, whether its fun or not, it should ALWAYS be satisfying in the sense that the participant comes away more confident. Good video. Good conversation.
Did you ever read the novel The Princess Bride? We've all seen the movie and the great sword fight. The book has the inner monologue of The Man in Black and Inigo Montoya and it explains why the fight goes the way it goes. Its not just that The Man in Black is the better swordsman. But Inigo is duelist, whereas the Man in Black is a pirate. Inigo has better technique, so gets the edge when they're on open, flat ground...but The Man in Black consistently maneuvers the fight into asymmetric environments: tight quarters, uneven ground, etc. And so he wins. That's the difference. Its a trope that's been done a thousand times in a thousand different stories -- Bron vs the Knight of the Vale in Season 1 of Game of Thrones is a good example too -- but its done very nicely there. That's the difference between combat sports and self-defense. LOL
Hey Brother another great video you mentioned the Philippines where they do full contact Kali that's basically MMA mixed with Kali... In the United States there's a group of guys I'm sure you probably heard about them they're out of the Inosanto lineage called the Dog Brothers they're in California they've been doing basically MMA with sticks since the mid or early 1990s. Burton Richardson is one of them. They've even gotten some of the Machado Brothers to come down to train with them doing stick fighting with grappling. You should check them out.
Great video as always Ed, you continue to bring extraordinary guests on. Like you mentioned with JKD, in Shotokan Karate we have katas that have bunkai (the practical applications of techniques) for eye gouges and groin kicks and a bunch of other stuff for self defense but you can't just go about using it. Like you guys said we all know best that it's always the first option for self defense is not be there.
Self defense is more about tactics, sport training is the technique. It’s all punching, kicking, and wrestling. The techniques don’t change as much as the tactics do.
@@metrolinamartialarts The closing speed is much faster because you probably started at kissing distance. Very little feeling out. And as Jack Dempsey noted you have the factors of “fear and anger” which are usually absent, or “flavored” differently in a sporting context.
Train combat sports as each discipline is functionally a core martial art. Then watch security cam footage and build live scenarios with sparring. Then add weapons. Combat sports+weapons training+cam footage scenario training=true self defense. Criminals almost always have weapons. Check out Craig Douglas and ShivWorks for an example of combat sport being applied to self defense context with weapons.
A good self defense system should include, •Multiple attackers •Defending against weapons •If legal in your country, learn how to use weapons •Scenario training •De-escalation skills •Awareness training •The pre and post fight •Have some understanding about your country's self defense law, just in case you have to justify your actions in court.
Whilst i agree with the overall point. I do think it is rooted in a profound misunderstanding of what fighting arts are or what combat sports are. All fighting arts can be utilised for combat sports in one way or another. Some due to their connection to cultural games (folk wrestling styles) had a much easier time adapting than others. There are things you lose when focusing on combst sports as it is one expression of consensual violence. I would argue the very very valid criticism filipino fighting arts & of hema being geared towards dueling is one of the big issues with combat sports. That it is consenual violence. Now I am not saying you can only do self defense because to me effective self defense & combat sports share 80% to 85% training principles. It is only a matter of what you want. Truth be told... unless you are in a deeply precarious position, you do not need to learn self defense. It can absolutely be a reason to learn an art but the primary should be exercise & enjoyment. I have personally no interest in sports fighting outside watching. So I do not think it is useful for me to focus all my sparring on competition when I do not want to compete.
Ah Waffle house, a restaurant that attracts all manner of crime. I remember the most sinister crime that happened to me was a time when chef got my order wrong. That monster 😡. Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Ok I'm 5 minutes in and there's been several "waffle house " references but no mention of macho man Randy Savage yet !? Let's hope ya don't go the whole video without it lol . Because its the perfect drunken story self defense reference in this case lol
@@metrolinamartialarts I've stumbled over a video where the agressor got mountend and promply threatened to shoot the dude and his GF ... it did not go over well.
"If someone gouges my eye in a fight, they're going to die" this is the wack stuff I hate about armchair violence. He just made a video making fun of people who say "I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6" and that's pretty much what he's saying here 😂 he's obviously Young like me just less life experience
@@metrolinamartialarts I'm sorry I don't mean to be disrespectful to your channel man, i adore your content and I don't hate all of armchair violence content but that guy can be frustrating and I guess you could call him a bit of a contrarion
Okay I liked this? I get it's aimed towards a certain demographic but it seems you're downplaying one to pump up another. But it could be me. I grew up in Chicago I was an ambidextrous wrestler before I was trained in anything and I had to fight. Because I was a nerdling surrounded by oversized morons who felt my role was victim. I kickboxed before MMA and I was training knife arts when MMA was being marketed as rape prevention at the women's center. Knowing how to fight from experience before training anything makes for a superior fighter. Your target demographic probably wouldn't have a real fight in their lives. Self defense is your life on the line. Trying to equate sports to that is illogical. It's ridiculous folks even have an opinion on this. You'd get yourself stabbed by a junkie just because of the way you think. All this is another MMA and BJJ commercial. It's almost like neither of you have been in a real self defense experience because no one whose been in one would have these conclusions. That's also why your students end up beat up by college bullies at the downtown bar. Kickboxing is technically the only correlation between the two. After that it goes in two separate directions and the sport side will get you killed. You can't talk your way around that fact.
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"If you lose the consequences could be catastrophic." Same thing applies if you win.
Absolutely
“Waffle House is the Hibachi of the South” - truer words were never spoken.
That's the biggest takeaway from this video 🤣😂
"I'm not in a dangerous situation right now" "Idk, I'm standing next to you right now." - My thoughts exactly.
Lol had to keep em on their toes
the use of the anchorman clip was perfect. when he made the "wife being raped" comment i was def like "dude, you could use a milder example".
Yeah definitely was a surprise
The inclusion of weapons is the critical difference between self defense and combat sports. Generally mma gyms don't give any curriculum space to wrestling over knives, guns, or clubs.
That they don't
A simple idea that could be implemented into a combat sport ruleset is awarding points for showing that you could have made an illegal shot. Strikes to the back of the head are banned in MMA, but that means MMA fighters don't train in a way that cares about defending against them, so the sport y'all should invent (I'm too lazy) will incentivize good habits without needlessly endangering the fighters.
Bonus idea: have fighters perform the banned moves on equipment that gauges how powefully they can perform them to base how many points they can get for them (or whatever quantative dimension is appropriate to the technique). Again, this ruleset incentivizes developing abilities that will be useful outside of the ring. Plus, it means if someone is capable of killing you with an elbow to the back of the head, you'll know that defending against it is a top priority in that fight (again, a useful skill).
That's an interesting take for sure. I dig it
@@metrolinamartialarts Thanks! I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on something like this in a future video (if that sounds like fun to you -- maybe you could just banter about it with Icy Mike, Armchair Violence, Jesse Enkamp, or Sensei Seth).
The Gracie brothers often say you don’t have to win in a street fight self defense situation. If you and your family are safe then you have “won”. And to me, if you win a street fight, most likely you will be in trouble
Can you elaborate on this a bit more?
@@metrolinamartialarts sure, in a MMA fight, a winner is determined by a KO, Submition, or judge’s decision. But a “winner” of a street fight/self defense situation is different, your ultimate goal is to walk away alive. You don’t NEED to ko an opponent, simply stop the aggressive nature. It could end in a ko or choke out, but that also potentially comes with a flip of the script. If you seriously injure a person, when you could have walked away, now you are the one with legal issues ect
@@MJRLHobbyStuff ok gotcha - makes sense. Definitely agree
Um no I've held down belligerent people by their wrists with 0 violence until they burned themselves out. Never got in trouble holding someone down. Had a friend who would physically abuse his girlfriend who was also my friend, so I have had to beat his ass multiple times. Never got in trouble because I had a friend to vouch for me that she was in danger.
@@MJRLHobbyStuff and I would say pinning a person and not even hurting them is 100% "winning"
I've noticed something about the different chain breakfast diners in regards to combat.
You go to Denny's if you want to see some David Lynch shit while partaking in a relatively safe mutually agreed upon fight.
You go to IHOP if you are a big fan of felony fights and don't care too much about safety, yours or otherwise.
And you go to Wafflehouse if you are actively looking for blood, hunting long pork.
Man, Waffle House gets a bad rap 😆 🤣
The other integral aspect is that self defense that makes it tactically different than combat sports is the absence of time limits and stalling penalties. In combat sports, stalling or running away gets you penalized or your lose. In self defense those concepts are not always the right idea, running away from somebody is surprisingly hard, and sometimes you are the one under time pressure, but they are always an option. There is also the interplay with the law and consequences to be considered, but that is also thing that can be discussed with a lawyer.
I Def agree. Time limits and rules definitely create a different dynamic
@@metrolinamartialarts This is something I explain to my swordsmanship students a lot. Attacking someone who absolutely won't move or attack is a difficult thing to do in swordsmanship without risking a double hit, i.e., you swing and then they suicidally just lash out somewhere else and you both are injured or dead if the blades were sharp. While we have tools for dealing with that I also bring up one option you'd have most of the time in a "street" sword fight back in the day if someone wants to just not engage you is to just walk or run away.
Situational awareness or presense of mind, quick physical reactions or reflexes, mental strength or toughness, composure or self-confidence, resourcefulness, the instinct or the will to fight back and defend yourself, knowing when to fight back or when to just run away as fast as you can, avoiding people places and situations that potentially lead to heated altercations or violent encounters, and your martial arts/fighting/self-defense skills and techniques (if you have any or some) which you have spent long periods of time practicing and training, can drastically increase your chances of successfully defending yourself and surviving potentially violent self-defense encounters. Speaking based on my personal experience as a self-defense practitioner.
Weapons training vs. empty hand mostly changes the surfaces of safe contact and ranges of engagement, imo doing weapon v. weapon and weapon v. hands in aikido for years, in a yang tai chi for about half those years, and having grown up learning to play with heavy fighters in the 90s SCA.
(If you doubt that other background I said, the childhood I describe was very full of light sparring that resembles modern HEMA stuff, often with an adult.)
Changes to the stakes seem to go along with changes to where the safe and winning angles are and how difficult it is to reach them at the right times.
One could have a sport that incorporates that kind of thing, like a boffer LARP or some kind of survivable pro thunderdome situation. But designing something like that which isn't a military scenario or the like seems tricky, probably for the same reasons that duels have rules by which they feel socially "fair" to societies that allow them.
Seen the movie role models - if larping was like that man - I'd be all in
Another thing that is often frowned in sparring/combat upon is slams. If you sprawl with a collar tie and snap down someone's face into the ground or step on their foot and push. You might win more... you might go to jail... it's a toss up
Yeah definitely jail lol
Very awesome yall did together you both went back and forth on alot of good topics broke them down and I think explained them well. When yall starter mentioning usage of knowing how to clinch like in muay thai it reminded me of Izzo wing chu. He took wrestling before wing chun and alot of what jake mentioned about feeling pressure of people in a clinch and knowing how to react Izzo shows alot of that in his vids.
Too bad Izzo hates JKD 😭
Yeah. (Sigh). JKD is awesome and you seem really good at it.
Interesting discussion. I agree with the idea that self-defense and combat sports overlap.
Thanks for watching!!
Did you guys happen to see Ian Abernathy's martial map? I think you really should. Expands on this point really well
I haven't I'll look it up
Iain Abernethy is awesome, I really like his translations of traditional karate kata into actual self defense principles. His understanding is exceptional
Great stuff!
In the "integral to self defense" section, I would add running away. And by that I don't mean "Just run away, bro", but jogging, sprinting, climbing, parkour, chase-tag-grappling. Like weapon defense, it's only contextually useful, but oh boy is it good to have in the bag when it is.
Am I overrating it (if so why)?
I don't think you can overrate weapons
I plan on doing Krav maga (still unsure if the place does pressure testing/sparring/real scenario drills, but it caters to military/ LEO clients so I imagine so) while learning the fundamentals of everything, then after spending enough time on all fundamentals going into MMA. Then training for being a fighter and going as close as I can to professional fighting. While I have no interest in competing or professional fights at ALL, as the risk of injury increases exponentially in real competition, and I want to learn Martial Arts/Combat Sports/Self defense to AVOID being seriously life alteringly injured in said neccessary scenarios, training to that degree is somewhat neccessary to be skilled and good enough at self defense. Also such knowledge skills and experience will be needed to a degree for my ideal career path(s).
I've also been looking into traditional melee weapons training and modern melee as well, mostly for unarmed vs armed but that is not very common. Usually it is as mentioned, dueling or weapon vs weapon, or just weapon handling/use with no real sparring.
Side note id like to see kwonkicker and arm chair violence do a collab one day and spar. They both have small similarities about each other.
Ooooh good idea
too bad Kwonkicker is more of a stunt man now
@@kermit1211 Yeah. stuntman or not even 68 yr old jackie chan would give him a hard time. As said though stuntman so theyd never meet.
Did Armchair Violence start using his regular voice? He sounds way less screechy and it makes me much less inclined to murder him. (I'm just joshing you, AV. I enjoy your stuff.)
Anyway...yes, the overlap between combat sports and self-defense fighting is probably around 75-80%. The overlap between combat sports and self-defense generally (awareness, avoidance, weapons, etc.) is probably about 25-50%.
One thing on the "experience" discussion -- "sparring" is not a boolean variable. There's four general factors in sparring -- scripting (do I know what will happen?), compliance (is the opponent allowing me to do things?), restriction (are there any techniques/tactics that are off the table?) and risk (are there any costs to losing -- pain, embarrassment, money, etc.?) These four factors can be combined in a lot of different ways and at different levels to generate experience. Its not just a question of "do you spar?" and "do you spar hard?"
I would say the NECESSARY aspects of self-defense fighting that are not part of combat sports are not move lists, but:
1) weapons -- not just purpose built weapons, but also improvised weapons
2) asymmetric environments -- areas that aren't built to be fair (they're oddly shaped, they have things in them, etc.) to both fighters
3) ground/footing -- areas that have uneven ground, hard ground, loose rocks, wet ground, slippery ground, etc.
4) multiple opponents -- the chances of fighting off multiple people are very low, but the difference between lasting 20 seconds and 2 minutes can be the difference between help arriving or not
5) clothing -- fighting in things other than athletic apparel and bare feet...especially the incorporation of shoes and outerwear
Self-defense training might be fun or not, depending on the kind of guy you are. But, whether its fun or not, it should ALWAYS be satisfying in the sense that the participant comes away more confident.
Good video. Good conversation.
Did you ever read the novel The Princess Bride? We've all seen the movie and the great sword fight. The book has the inner monologue of The Man in Black and Inigo Montoya and it explains why the fight goes the way it goes. Its not just that The Man in Black is the better swordsman. But Inigo is duelist, whereas the Man in Black is a pirate. Inigo has better technique, so gets the edge when they're on open, flat ground...but The Man in Black consistently maneuvers the fight into asymmetric environments: tight quarters, uneven ground, etc. And so he wins. That's the difference. Its a trope that's been done a thousand times in a thousand different stories -- Bron vs the Knight of the Vale in Season 1 of Game of Thrones is a good example too -- but its done very nicely there. That's the difference between combat sports and self-defense. LOL
Hey Brother another great video you mentioned the Philippines where they do full contact Kali that's basically MMA mixed with Kali... In the United States there's a group of guys I'm sure you probably heard about them they're out of the Inosanto lineage called the Dog Brothers they're in California they've been doing basically MMA with sticks since the mid or early 1990s. Burton Richardson is one of them. They've even gotten some of the Machado Brothers to come down to train with them doing stick fighting with grappling. You should check them out.
I've seen a video with Master Carlos Machado teaching stick grappling
Great video as always Ed, you continue to bring extraordinary guests on. Like you mentioned with JKD, in Shotokan Karate we have katas that have bunkai (the practical applications of techniques) for eye gouges and groin kicks and a bunch of other stuff for self defense but you can't just go about using it. Like you guys said we all know best that it's always the first option for self defense is not be there.
Thanks so much for watching
Self defense is more about tactics, sport training is the technique. It’s all punching, kicking, and wrestling. The techniques don’t change as much as the tactics do.
And intensity too, I'd argue
@@metrolinamartialarts The closing speed is much faster because you probably started at kissing distance. Very little feeling out. And as Jack Dempsey noted you have the factors of “fear and anger” which are usually absent, or “flavored” differently in a sporting context.
Train combat sports as each discipline is functionally a core martial art. Then watch security cam footage and build live scenarios with sparring. Then add weapons. Combat sports+weapons training+cam footage scenario training=true self defense.
Criminals almost always have weapons.
Check out Craig Douglas and ShivWorks for an example of combat sport being applied to self defense context with weapons.
I love Craig Douglas
Wait I through the 3 pillars of fighting were, seeing red, having a mentality you don’t know about , and just stand up
Derrick Lewis would be proud
A good self defense system should include,
•Multiple attackers
•Defending against weapons
•If legal in your country, learn how to use weapons
•Scenario training
•De-escalation skills
•Awareness training
•The pre and post fight
•Have some understanding about your country's self defense law, just in case you have to justify your actions in court.
Agreed
1:33 where talking with hands becomes envy
🤣🤣🤣
I hate regular sport-ass jiu jitsu
It's ok to be wrong
Whilst i agree with the overall point. I do think it is rooted in a profound misunderstanding of what fighting arts are or what combat sports are. All fighting arts can be utilised for combat sports in one way or another. Some due to their connection to cultural games (folk wrestling styles) had a much easier time adapting than others. There are things you lose when focusing on combst sports as it is one expression of consensual violence. I would argue the very very valid criticism filipino fighting arts & of hema being geared towards dueling is one of the big issues with combat sports. That it is consenual violence.
Now I am not saying you can only do self defense because to me effective self defense & combat sports share 80% to 85% training principles. It is only a matter of what you want. Truth be told... unless you are in a deeply precarious position, you do not need to learn self defense. It can absolutely be a reason to learn an art but the primary should be exercise & enjoyment. I have personally no interest in sports fighting outside watching. So I do not think it is useful for me to focus all my sparring on competition when I do not want to compete.
That's fair - but when people sell certain arts as self-defense when they do not spar that becomes the problem.
Sir please make a one more video on jkd 🙏
Oh they're in the pipeline!
If you're getting knife wounds at Waffle House, I suggest holding the other end of the knife when cutting your chicken fried steak.
That's a good point lol
I hate clinch work because I want to take it to the ground too. BJJ brain
it's too powerful
@@metrolinamartialarts it's what happens when your grabby skills are better than your hitty skills
Ah Waffle house, a restaurant that attracts all manner of crime.
I remember the most sinister crime that happened to me was a time when chef got my order wrong.
That monster 😡.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
😅🤣 You know same here 😆 🤣
Dog Brothers gatherings are full contact weapons fights.
They're great learning tools - not sure I wanna go that hard-core. 😅🤣
@@metrolinamartialarts that’s an absolutely reasonable position. I’d love to do one just for the story.
@@metrolinamartialarts 🤷🏻♂️😂😂
Je suis d'accord avec vous les gars 👍👍👍
Hey Sifu Ed, do you teach the BJJ / JKD and the Muay Thai classes?
I teach a majority of the Jiu-jitsu classes and all the JKD classes at my school. I teach one to two Muay Thai classes per week.
Ok I'm 5 minutes in and there's been several "waffle house " references but no mention of macho man Randy Savage yet !? Let's hope ya don't go the whole video without it lol . Because its the perfect drunken story self defense reference in this case lol
I'm unfamiliar! Fill me in. I love Waffle House 🤣
So, when you say fight…… what do you mean
I think we set that definition up in the video
Not striking the dude on top. Also, don't threaten to kill the guy and his SO who is on top.
Agreed!
@@metrolinamartialarts I've stumbled over a video where the agressor got mountend and promply threatened to shoot the dude and his GF ... it did not go over well.
@@Raz0rking holy crap I can imagine it did not
@@metrolinamartialarts I can't link to the video and yeah, it is gnarly. Brain damage galore.
@@Raz0rking I bet
Self-defense is a legal concept, have you read jury instructions for a self defense claim?
We're not lawyers or legal advice
@@metrolinamartialarts Jury instructions are available online for free for everyone.
"If someone gouges my eye in a fight, they're going to die" this is the wack stuff I hate about armchair violence. He just made a video making fun of people who say "I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6" and that's pretty much what he's saying here 😂 he's obviously Young like me just less life experience
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@@metrolinamartialarts I'm sorry I don't mean to be disrespectful to your channel man, i adore your content and I don't hate all of armchair violence content but that guy can be frustrating and I guess you could call him a bit of a contrarion
@@Taekwon-Brando you're fine brother! I understand lol
I agree I don't watch armchairs videos anymore
@@thejanitorssweeps5883 I understand
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Okay I liked this?
I get it's aimed towards a certain demographic but it seems you're downplaying one to pump up another.
But it could be me.
I grew up in Chicago
I was an ambidextrous wrestler before I was trained in anything and I had to fight.
Because I was a nerdling surrounded by oversized morons who felt my role was victim. I kickboxed before MMA and I was training knife arts when MMA was being marketed as rape prevention at the women's center.
Knowing how to fight from experience before training anything makes for a superior fighter.
Your target demographic probably wouldn't have a real fight in their lives.
Self defense is your life on the line. Trying to equate sports to that is illogical. It's ridiculous folks even have an opinion on this.
You'd get yourself stabbed by a junkie just because of the way you think.
All this is another MMA and BJJ commercial. It's almost like neither of you have been in a real self defense experience because no one whose been in one would have these conclusions. That's also why your students end up beat up by college bullies at the downtown bar.
Kickboxing is technically the only correlation between the two. After that it goes in two separate directions and the sport side will get you killed. You can't talk your way around that fact.
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