PROS AND CONS TO INVERTING SUBS ON YOUR VEHICLE!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- We all know the ammount of heat that subwoofers can produce, especially during the hot summer days! It is important to know the best way to setup your subs to make sure not only your speakers perform to their peak, but also so your build doesn't overheat due to faulty setup. In this video, JP goes over the pros and cons to the standard setup as well as the inverted setup. We decided to use the beast of a subwoofer that is the DC Audio Elite NEO 15.
The DC Audio Elite NEO 15 featured in the video can be purchased at down4soundshop.com in the link below!
DC Audio Elite NEO 15 (4500-watts-RMS)-DVC-2OHM
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I'm a 100% Deaf Bonce guy through and through but holy shit is that DC a sexy ass sub! One of the best looking subs on the market!
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Which deaf bonce do you have?
Deaf Bonce is the shitt!
I have 6 DB 3512r. Inverted in a 4th order, you can see the motors. They perform great. I’m clamping 4K a sub with no clipping, motors are over 300 degrees for hours sometimes, and they take it all day. I demo a lot at shows. Not the best looking sub though. That’s the one thing I wish DB would change. These DC look great.
i have an american bass subwoofee but if i were to get a new one im going with dc audio next. im going to buy a dc amp first and pair it with the american bass sub
Hear me out.. liquid cooled subwoofers aye. Not sure if that's a thing or not but when he was talking about the heat I started thinking like a water cooled computer. 🤔
Bazooka did that I thought it was pretty cool
Bazooka had a pump that would send fluid to amps and sub motors to keep cool.
That's a good idea, they got fluid cooled tweeters why not subs
Good luck doing that without adding extra moving mass or parts that wear out
I have a pair of 10s that were able to be used with the liquid cooling but I couldn’t find a kit anywhere
Thanks again for some awesome info JP happy birthday
Much smoother delivery excellent video
Good video bro ,I wish I had went with DC,it was a video of DC audio moving serious air,that got me back into car audio.
Thanks I've learned something. Hope you had a good birthday 🎉
Great insight! Thanks for the excellent know how!
yes absolutely right ✌️
and with such a beautiful sub, of course, it also makes visual sense
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I appreciate these videos. Thanks JP
Love the profile name bro!!!
Volume is the only reason and/or for looks, can’t agree more with this because I’ve seen it first hand. Built boxes for both inverted and standard and have not ever seen any difference in output. Inverted is great for those single cab truck center console builds cause you get literally like another 1/2 cube. All these people commenting that’s they don’t agree is just opinions. Meters don’t lie
FACTS!😂👍👍👍
I’d love to have 2 of those DC’s in a walled setup😍
Only 2?
I really like the informative videos.
Thanks
Thank you for explaining this. why would they not have it correct for their speaker the manufactures of the cubic feet that seems a little off? For me I have that L7 12” And I have the box built with 1.88 ft.³ with a port it sounds real good with that JP8 on it. So am I under size on the box when the manufacturing says 1.75 ft.³ with a port?
if mounted inverted ,do you have to wire the sub backwards so when it hits it still moves outwards first?
Great video
@JP good stuff. On your site the displacement and magnetic weight for this woofer need to be swapped. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I thought about doing this with my current system 2 LVL4 12’s on 1 DC 2k! My box is already pretty big though have to go easy till I see what makes it destort and go from there! In my experience it varies by car and box weather or not it helps or hurts and trying it is only way to know! It ain’t hard to do unless you for something like a 13w7 or something with a not perfect round sub line Orion may be harder to mount those!
Was looking at level 4s but in 15s. What do u think abt the subs? Not sure to go with resilient sounds dc or deaf bonce
@@12MessengerI have a DC audio elite 15 but a sundown x15 is just as good and 300$ cheaper I want a avatar stu and there only 500$ bigger coil get avatar
I was always curious about this. I've heard different things, but you obviously know for real. W
4th order you have to invert. Only way to smell coils and keep subs cool.
I run mine inverted for exactly that reason I can smell them right away & get them cooled back off before any real damage is done
i can smell coils in a sealed box. You need them inverted to smell them?
@@martinramirezmi5457 then the box isn’t sealed. You can’t smell coils in a sealed box.
@@Van1018s I had 15 inch Kicker comp vr's over powered in a sealed box and you could definitely smell the coils when they got hot.
@@martinramirezmi5457 then the enclosure was not sealed. Air was leaking somewhere. Thru a terminal cup maybe it was a cheaply built box maybe the speakers were not screwed down properly. You cannot smell anything if the box is sealed. I have built thousands of speaker boxes. Worked in a car audio shop for years. I have been competing since 1995. Put something in a glass jar screw the lid on and see if you can smell it. You cannot smell if it is sealed. Your enclosure may have been a sealed box. But it was not 100% sealed. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen voice coils get cooked in a sealed box. No smell until you take the sub out.
It seems like having the subs mounted standard would decrease the chances of bottoming them out because the subs are actually "inside" the enclosure, versus hanging out of it. So it seems like they could take a little more power, but I could be wrong about that. Until I'm more informed I will stick with standard mounting. Thanks JP for doing this video. Happy Birthday! 🎉
Don’t know if he said this but do you need to reverse speaker polarity when inverting?
great info!!
Would you set up the woofer to play on reverse?Also to haven't done fiery if the subwoofer is inverted
I would love it mounted standard
Good advice man
Yeah but when you run the speakers inverted do you have to change the phase of the amplifier?
this is excellent content
I heard when you invert your sub you have to invert your deck but will you need the same airspace for the sub or does that change
So in a 4th order do it matter which way you face the sub? My zvx 12s are facing the ported section and it sits behind the rear deck ports
good video buddy, now if we could get a good video on what goes into or how to build a custom sub box that would be great.i just bought my 2nd wolfram platinum 18' should be getting it thursday..plan on getting 2 more for a total of 4...yeah,im trying to move alllll kindzz of air.....alll kindzzz..
RUclips it. Many videos explaining how to. Just depends on how into it you would like to get.
I think its great watching this video with me a sub that i have 😂 love this dc elite 15
So in the trunk of my food focus should I have it regular mounted or inverted sense it gets hot as hell in the trunk of a car I have a single 12 kicker solo baric
Just out of curiosity: can inverting the subs cost against you in competing? For example when they say below window line, do they count the subs too when inverted or just the box?
Yes they do, you would be put into a wall class…
I only heard pros. Cons would be difficulty installing. Better align that sub up good or byby surround. Mechanical noise, cable management. Also the sub will be protruding out into the cab of the vehicle so if you have room for that why not just get a bigger enclosure. So basically the only pro's are cooling and some people think it looks cool.
Cooling and more bass in a small place. Most crazy bass builds I see always have to have inverted subs because you get so much power with so little air space.
Don’t forget visibility and if you’re not tinted or it’s your daily driver you can be a target 🗣
Good idea for people who already have small enclosure and save money without spending much.
I'll stick with the standard mount.
If you invert the subs on a sealed enclosure do you change the polarity on the terminals
What's your take on sealed vs. ported enclosures? I've only run ported but for my next setup I'm being told go sealed.
The box depends on the subs.. Some subs are built for sealed and some forB ported. I know ported cools speakers faster and get a deeper bass
So how big does a 4th order box have to be for 2 zv6 15s? I bought them from down4sound or you.. but I need help with the box size
Yea I like that look
So inverting something like a Skar zvx or x12v3, that space gained.. how does it affect tuning?
With the cabin of the vehicle, it can also make the car airspace a box also. Windows down too is deadly
Or all windows up except passenger window 🗣 when I say a box inside of a ported box sheesh 🗣
Are you saying it hits harder that way?
@@VegasElementright like wym deadly good or bad cause now I’m intrigued
From what I understand Is when you invert your subs you increase the volume but it can also hurt because you now have less port area per square cube only 1 way to find.out tho and try it I'm okanning on putting 2 x15s in my back seat going to have my box made to run inverted
Do you have to reverse polarity or no thats something ive never herd anything on...i know with isobaric,and the clamshell you have to reverse one or it will not work
Good video but wouldn't inverting your sub affect the phase? Would you have to change wiring or on the amp with the phase button
You can either swap the positive and negative or some headunits give you the option in the subwoofer settings to change it to inverted without swapping the wires
If u have a new pioneer it lets u change it on the head unit let u pick inverted or regular phase
So when you're inverting your subwoofers what settings do you have to change I see some decks actually have like an invert setting do you have to change anything else when you invert a subwoofer or can you just run them while they're inverted
Last time I ran a set of inverted subs I had to retune a little bit but that's on the subsonic and low pass filters that most, if not all amplifiers come with.
Seems to also lower frequency a bit when inverted
I had some jl w7 12s of course 1 blew again but ive hadem since 2012 and rebuilt twice pulled out that junk made a cut out board threw in some skar evl 12s inverted and they are by far the best sounding subs
You obviously don't appreciate quality or know how to play your system properly. Typical skar fanboy. You'll probably blow those too.
Not expecting a reply TBH but I have a zv5 15 with a 3.5 gross tuned to 32 hz it’s too small cause sundown recommends 4.25 but for the time being until I get a large box should I invert it to get a little more space?
Yes
They say to flip polarity. I've never done that and would preffer them to hit foward. Always worked good for me.
Inverted what keeps the foam surround from contacting the wood at full excursion. Looks like it would rub through over time
Using a router to take material out from the flat edge to make it round
If the box is built for the sub to be inverted they cut the hole for the sub just a little bit bigger so you'll have the clearance you need
Ive always wondered if theirs a way to use your cars own AC system to cool subs, by “channeling” the AC air to your subs with added ducting wonder if anyone has tried this before!?!?
Great information.
@ jonathan price hey man can you read the whole thing I'm trying to be descriptive as possible i have 2 12s sundown sa classics 4ohm each wired to 2 ohm both subwoofers are connected parallel so my load is 1 ohm I have the new Sundown SAE 2000 one ohm stable it's the new model from Sundown replacing the SFB models anyways everything hits really loud but I recently turned my subwoofers facing forward instead of facing towards the trunk and my bass went away big time sounds like I'm listening to a blown 10 do you think if I invert my Subs should make the bass hit loud???? my problem is that the bass is mostly going towards the trunk not inside the vehicle what do you think I need your help brother I'm already to the point where I don't know if I'm clipping my Subs could you help me I'm going to invert them real quick and I will get back to you if that doesn't work I need your help I was thinking maybe it's the Box the box is specifically made for Sundown sa classic it's tuned to 35 hz like I said it's loud when I have the speakers facing the trunk but now that I turn the box around the speakers are facing forward towards back seats bass went completely away and I have my seats down thank you jonathan ill purchase my next setup for my charger through you man i look foward to hearing from you thank you for your time (update inverted the subs they sound better it made a huge difference in sound just need to upgrade my subs to the sundown 1000rms 12 inch subs since the classic SAs seem to be getting hot with in 15 min due to massive constant power im running 2000rms @1ohm I totally understand that putting too much power to Subs any sub is going to get the voice coil hot right away but in this case my gain is at 1/4 the setup sounds good don't get me wrong it sounds really really awesome but I've had Kicker L7 12in Subs with the kicker enclosure for them those subs would hit basically sounded like how I have my 12 inch sundowns playing now and they wouldnt get hot or at least the bass wouldn't seem like it's fading away I understand to that we get tolerance levels you get used to the sound that within time it doesn't sound as loud but it is I'm just saying the kicker L7's they would always hit really really loud in every song i had not set up wired at 0.5 ohms 2 ohms each sub wires to 1 ohm each and wired subs tpgether parralel gived me the 0.5 ohm impedance not safe to do but its possible had the subs with a soundstream picasso 3500.1 that thing hit but with this setup i have the SAs at (1 ohm 4ohm each subwired to 2ohms both subs wired parallel gives me 1 ohm ) giving it its acual rating except amp 2000 RMS at 1 ohm when I have the volume to where I like it I can notice the amp gets warm but the speakers get hot i just recently heard that Sundown has more of a Punchy bass instead of a musical Bass that could be the difference too maybe the Classics don't produce the sound that the kickers do that massive deep deep deep deep bass heard two blocks away this is my first time trying out Sundown audio so far I'm a bit disappointed but they're good because they make a lot of exotic subwoofers way way better than kicker but I'm just comparing the SA classics 12inch to the kicker L7 12 inch I'm not mentioning the L7 because of the square radius of course not I mention it because of the magnet and the voice coil it has the material it has it can handle a lot of heat when buy a good amp the batteries you need 0 gauge wiring kit everything is good but for the subs to get hot right away it's kind of disappointing you basically regret buying the setup instead of going with a different brand in my case when I get the bass to sound like 2 kicker L7 12s at 1 ohm full blast the SAs start warming up fast just giving you guys a heads up on this if it's your first time buying a setup from Sundown or you're looking forward to buying one make sure if you get a 2000 watt amp from Sundown I'd recommend to get the subwoofers that are a little bit stronger than the classic SAs get the sundown 1,000 RMS sub instead of 750 rms classic SAs sub you won't have the problem I'm having⁶
How loud and long do you demo ? dB, and time ?
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I have a question, what if I have a ported box with 2×12" in standard, would you suggest inverting one out for better performance, both, or leave as is?
Good question 🙌
I have a ported box with 2×12", there both kickers and I have one Speaker Inverted and One regularly placed inside the box and Honestly, It looks freaking Beast plus sounds really really good, I personally think it sounds better with one invertered and one regular compared to when I had both subs placed normal with the face plate facing out.
Cool, I'm glad I asked
I'm still sceptical I want to see numbers inverted and standard mount. Still haven't seen anyone did a video on this subject
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There is no difference. Sub is still using the same amount of air space.
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3:00 - Does that really matter when the box is ported and the sub is moving lots of air in and out of that box?
I want to invert my VXF 12s i just purchased, any box recommendations
I do both at the same time. It's called isobaric loading. The drivers are mounted cone to cone in a "clamshell." When drivers are coupled this way the Vas value is halved for the group of drivers acting as one driver which means the frequency response stays the same in a box with half the enclosure volume of the original. This also works the other way - you can virtually double the enclosure volume and get a nice bass shelf extension with the physical box size staying the same. Comes handy when you just can't fit a bigger box in your car. So if you have spare watts and spare speakers but no extra space isobaric loading is the cure.
So why not just mount the drivers next to each other like a normal person you ask? Because all it does is add a +3db peak to the response around 80-120Hz while taking power away from the 20-80Hz region. It's literally the same as having two subwoofers each in a box half the size of the original - not good at all! You would need to double the enclosure volume to mount two subs in the same box, only then you get that +3db accross the entire operating range instead of being concentrated around 100Hz.
Instead of doing that just mount the drivers in a clam shell and it will put all that extra energy into making the sounds you want - 20-80Hz. Works like a charm.
That's sounds good 🙌💎🤜 👍👍👍
Hey what’s going on price been a big fan for quite a while now of you and what you do and what you’re about I think one of my favorite if not the favorite video is when you were going through Wendy’s and you dropped it on him that was hilarious but the reason for this message is I have a 2019 Nissan Ultima and I miss having a system and I would really like to get your input on what you think would be a good set up I don’t want nothing you know crazy expensive I mean I’ve been looking at powered set ups powered enclosures but for some reason I’m just a little nervous about them I don’t know why LOLO yeah if you could drop some knowledge on me and tell me what you think I’d be greatly appreciate it thank you for your time brother God bless
Do they sound better?
What about adding polyfill to a sub box. When is it necessary or needed?
Yeah if you add the perfect amount. Best to tape a layer onto the walls and not just stuff it like a pillow. Adding to much will start to cause a muffling sound while adding to little will hardly do anything.
When will the blue certified bass head 1/0 ofc install kit be in stock?
Seriously, the 10% ofc won’t cut it.
@@UncleMichaelable heck no it won’t. Bout to order sky high kit. It is in stock
inverting subs can change the port tuning
Increase or decrease?
Listen folks he knows what he talking about lol
More cone area in some cases?
did we leave out that some subs dont do well inverted or...
I got the d4s pro fab dual 12 box could I flip my U-series 12's? I'm wondering if the baffling will hold. I don't remember if the V1 will hold up the U-series ass lol.
Bolt the box down or it may tip forward onto the magnets! 😆
@@johnclark3067 it will be idk if the rubber surround would rub if flipped. I'm still in the building stage not the install stage...
Does inverted work for any sub?
Dang that big girl is tegit. Thats a damn nice sub🔈🔉🔊💯💯🇺🇸
JP hit em with some knowledge
Do you have to wire the pos and neg differently and switch to phase?
If you have a pioneer radio then it should have a setting on it for inverted subs.most of them do.just go to audio settings n go to where you can adjust you sub levels n it will b there if it has it.it will say normal or reverse
The head unit actually asks you if the sub is inverted? Video please.
@@bobbydillon6032 🤣 no lol it’s just a setting in the menu. It’s the “phase” setting. Picture of a sub normal or inverted.
He sound like sean off Tokyo Drift
Not hatin good content answered what i was wanting to know
How bout the phase?
What about if ya have or use polyfill in the box?
I was looking for this question too lol😂
What affect does inverting the signal have on the sound quality with an inverted sub setup?
It will change the phase to CORRECT instead of inverted 180 degrees. When you invert the driver you must also invert the electrical polarity.
This can have a fairly large impact on the sound quality, especially if you have more than one subwoofer.
I recommend wiring them intentionally opposite to what the terminals indicate but you could flip the phase switch on your amp instead (if you don't have any other speaker connected to it)
@@elephant1851 so wiring the terminals opposite will change the phase? I have no phase settings on my hd3000 taramps
@@tranquilityaphelion8144 Correct. By reversing the orientation of the driver (such as when you mount it with the motor facing the outside) you are rotating the phase 180 degrees. So you should also wire it in reverse to rotate the phase back to 0 degrees (assuming everything else is also wired properly)
Connect the positive wire to the negative terminal and the negative wire to the positive terminal instead of matching them.
So what if i have my sub inverted wired normally, but my deck has sub phase 0 - 180°. Can i use just the phase setting on my deck while leaving it wired normally?
I never did an inverted design because I have always been afraid of my subs becoming PROJECTILES in a accident 40lbx4 160lbs.hurling to the front of my Yukon scares the hell out of me.but guess what? That's how they will be ran2022.becous I have to brand new boxes that's to small.so I have to invert my subs
I love you so much🥰👍
hey jp just got my jp8
amp 2 hours ago and it keeps going in to protect think you can help?
Check input voltage, ohm load, or a short in your speaker wires. If it still does it then probably an amp issue
@@kathygarber3230 thank you
Turn the gain down.
@@bobbydillon6032 I got it fixed it pounds
How much does those subs go for?
Than why in your NEW Truck build did you not have them Inverted ? Guess il lwait for part 2 of the new truck LoL..
What bout sealbox?? No air can get out ..how dose it fact the subs
Inverted subs fire into the enclosure or is the polarity reversed? In other words "sucking in" ?
No they play just it would normally
I would reverse the polarity of inverted subs so they stay "in-phase" with any midbass speakers around the crossover point.
Ok I gain 5+ dbs by inverting my x 15 v2 with a sub box aka prefab sub box with a 6 inch BIG ASS AREO PORT AND YES IT IS WAY LOUDER THEN L-SLOTS PORTS ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DIMS IS THE KEY PART.
do reverse the phase 180 on the amp?
No, only if you use standard and inverted in the same box you swtitch +- on one of the subs.
Jp my profab has come apart at the seams and I was told to put screws into a 600 plus box by your employees not a happy camper. I'm running 4 q class 12in d2's and in the video it was stated that u can use up to sundown u series subs. Whats going on buddy.
I saw the pictures and the box looks fine to me. I told them if you wanted to be sure there would be no issues you could shoot screws in it where you think it’s coming apart to reinforce holding it together. We haven’t had any issues with them , even when people are running bigger subs and twice the power.
They dont mind the heat. Do they?
Are you located in Las vegas
Does inverting them include a different way to wire them
Yes. They will need to have the polarity reversed or you will be 180° out of phase.
So I have to reverse the positive and negative from my amp to my subs if I invert them I’m new to this so I’m just asking to get the best information out there
@@rockfordhx2768 correct.
Or if the amp has phase switch. Flip it from 0 > 180.
I believe it has to be more than 1 sub before yo have to reverse one.
When the dimensions of your box are the same square footage as the inside of your vehicle and then the box becomes your port, hahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha
Which sub you guy recommend me for $550 I'm looking for deaf bonce 3012r D1 but any other better for the same or less price?
Resilient sounds platinum series
Harmony audio monolith 18
What are you wanting of your sub? Trying to play low notes, have particular music tastes?
@@MannuhFestIt i really want to hear lot of base
@@kathygarber3230 He said $550. Not twice that amount. Although if i had the cash that would be my choice. I'd get 4 of em. 15's.
When you put 215 of your trunk of your car can you invert it
If you have space to do so or limited on box size
Always flip the wiring make it fire like a standard mount.
Or flip the phase switch on your amp or DSP.
Yep. He never mentioned that.
You didn’t really mention any Cons to inverting tho. What are the Pros to standard mounting? More cone area? Higher SPL?
I have heard there is more cone area when they are mounted normal.
@@johnclark3067 i'm really a noob when it comes to car audio and know nothing but i haven't seen any 180+ builds with inverted subs
only more one question, what is the benefits of invert my sub?
Looks cool... Face down, ass up!
Watch the video again…..🤦♂️
@@RUclipssucks.. i was just kidding
@@johnclark3067 yuup 🤣😭
The question I always had/got was...
"Does inverting your sub make hit harder?"
Overall, no...
Basically just runs cooler.
That being said, could you not supply the subs with MORE power because they can handle more without over heating, in turn making them hit harder?
@@justabouthadit5872 it can't Handel more power than it was rated at. If it was a 600w rms sub, no matter which way you mount it, it will still only Handel 600w.
It might sound better to the ear inverted, but it isn't using more power inverted. Subs were made to be put in enclosures.
Also pioneer had some oil cooled subs at one point
how much for those subs
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