Perfecting Your Draw To First Shot (Mantis Dry Fire Monday)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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Good job with the weight loss, it's rather apparent in this vid 👍
Didn't age well.....I bet John does not like looking back at these videos
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Thanks Scott!!
Wow. Incredible work John. Thank you. I don't even carry. I haven't shot in years but appreciate ASP and all the work you're doing.These lessons apply to everything we want to get better at. I'm a lifelong martial artist and see how our training isn't much different! Thank you too for showing your vulnerability and the things you still need to 'work' on. So often we see the finished product and not the hours of training (and sweat!) that goes into it. Thanks John.
I laughed my butt off when you fully cleared the cover garment.
:) my work here is done.
This video helped me so much! It seems unreal how much time I have shaved from following this advice. In 1 range day I've gone from a fumbling 2+ second draw to first shot, down to a consistent .9 second draw to first shot. Working at 7 yards and putting shots in a 2-3 inch grouping.
Great stuff! I don’t have a ton of wasted motion any more, but it’s the “finding the dot” that takes me so long. (I appreciate all your tips for working on that too!)
Thanks John!
Finally got my mantis x for Mother’s Day! Tomorrow is set up day! I need to give myself a little more grace in my practice I think after having watched your video - you give yourself grace in your errors. Granted, I make far more errors than you do. But if I’m too hard on myself I will never get better!
Yeah, I try to pull a Rafiki on errors. ruclips.net/video/dZfGTL2PY3E/видео.html
Very helpful video! Thank you!
Glad to help.
Thanks for the tip on recording myself to look for ways to improve. 👍
Needed this yesterday during practice. Looking forward to applying these steps when I get home.
thank God this guy is on the side of the Lord cus he can clear a room with a pistol faster than an insane HS shooter with an AR
The slower part in my draw to first shot is to confirm the sight alignment smh
What are you using to create your "dot"?
Impressive!
So it is common practice to obtain the proper firing grip on the firearm before drawing. It seems like that would be impossible to do from certain carry locations without doing what you state not to with your arm and/or elbow. Could you elaborate a little on that subject?
Yes we want a full firing grip or claw grip on the gun from the holster.
does having a red dot help with times because you dont need to line up sights like iron sights?
That's a debated subject at distances inside 7 yards.
What shot timer are you using John?
I recommend rangetechtimer.com
Love ya, Lefty. You're a hoot. What a fount of knowledge!
Anyone notice when he says “all” he sounds like ChrisFix
Nobody:
Him: *_"Frenetic Motion"_*
Needed this. This, and retention techniques are what I'm weakest at.
I say this all the time whether in my karate classes, self defense courses or my firearms classes, efficiency of movement is key to speed and success. Large motions are not good in self defense regardless of the discipline.
mmmmmmmmm ..... myelinated neural pathways
Why prep your hand by already grabbing your garment and having both hands in front. For me to test your real speed, you should do it with your hands on either side of your body and draw from there. In the self-defense situation, you're not going to have your hands prep at your garments because you may give away your movements to the bad guy
I have never, ever seen someone in a real gunfight draw from hands at side. Ever.
@@ASPextra ruclips.net/video/VNX3o-trdTc/видео.html 🤔 John lovell does his to his side. I mean I can't argue against that because you actually dissect the tape but for PR (personal record) purposes, I think hands to the side will accurately give what your true draw to first shot is. No one walks with their hands prepped on their garment. Also most people when being robbed aren't prepping their hands on their garment, they either have their hands up or to their sides making a gesture to show compliance. Just saying. Love your videos tho.
Nice to see that you're not pointing your weapon at the camera crew...
It's a camera mounted on a tripod.
@@ASPextra It was a comment on current events
Fair.
Great video. Might have to pick one up.
What is a good shot timer app for android?
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stimer&hl=en_US
@@ASPextra Thank you!
Holy crab - you ate fast!
High speed low drag, faster than me. I would like to see this exact training done with live fire. actual rounds on target would verify the speed/accuracy question. Thanks, John!
There are bunches of them on the channel, and thanks!
Oh sure lay on the guilt trip cause I only did 10 reps last night...lol...just kidding. I appreciate the encouragement
Haha you're a BEAST doing work Tory.
Hey John, love everything you do. Known about the primary channel for a while but just started watching the second channel. I am farrrrr from perfect and need to practice more, so I am in no position, nor do I want to seem seem critical when I ask this: are you sure that when you are drawing at your 0.9 speed that you are actually getting sight picture before the trigger breaks? Watching at 0.25x speed, it sounds like the trigger is breaking before you have fully presented the gun or obtained your dot.
Again, not trying to be critical, but constructive. That seem important to know where the gun is pointing when the trigger breaks. At that speed it all likely feels like a blur and I could see it feeling like you're on point but in reality breaking a fraction early. I could be hearing things though too; we all know how bad audio is slowed down, but I thought I was noticing it at full speed too.
Nonetheless, I love it still and keep up the good work. I have something to aspire towards.
God bless.
(Edit, I realize you actually mention this in one instance, but I was noticing it some prior, I've been analyzing this for a while prior to watching the video entirely through. Oh, and might as well throw in another God bless 💜)
I am 100% sure I am seeing the dot before the shot breaks. Remember that the gun doesn't have to be at full extension to be fired accurately. I am getting good hits, currently confirmed via the Mantis Laser Academy, at these rates.
Great question, though.
Slow is slow but smooth is fast.
I think that is a misleading and incomplete statement, so be careful. It’s an oversimplification of the process of myelination, and while it might have some small basis in deliberately learning a process with care and consideration it has been abused to tell people to slow down to go fast, which is flat wrong. Also, smoothness isn’t the issue at all, efficiency is. “Careful, deliberate, and correct builds neural pathways, linked neural circuits can be built to a place of automaticity and then be sped up without conscious control to fast action” doesn’t have the same ring.
So the phrase isn’t helpful.
@@ASPextra You put too much thought into that comment. Slow is indeed slow, correct? Being smooth is a form of efficiency and efficiency is fast, correct? "Fast" is not a blanket statement for no room for improvement.
John, how does a 0.9 or 0.8 draw in dry fire translate over to live fire? I assume live fire is probably just a little bit slower?
There SHOULD be minimal difference, but in practice I find like 5-10% slower in live fire is typical.
In my class a lot of people also dropped their heads to meet their guns on draw. Is that something most new shooters do? You do not in this video. I saw a video on draw a little while back that taught me to keep your head up and bring the gun to you, but it was referencing target acquisition. I've always made it a point to do is it worthwhile advice? My coach told them to minimize it if it affects the stance and I didn't get a chance to ask him after, plus he's not at the John level in my opinion..
When it's time to shoot, bringing the gun to you rather than you to the gun is very wise.
These videos are pure gold. Thanks John.
Glad you think so!
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast is the biggest takeaway
No. Slow is slow. Fast is fast. Smooth is smooth. No one trains for the 100 yard dash by walking it.
When your infront a target where your hands start gives you away that your ready to draw. You should do regular stance and posture and natural face expression
That is absolutely a regular stance.
what is a good average time to aim for? drawing from a AIWB
The national standard for concealed carry is 2.0 seconds. Professional standard is 1.5 seconds. Advanced standard is 1.0 seconds.
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When you dry fire, do you ever use or recommend dummy rounds?
Sometimes and sure.
I can definitely see the speed advantages of carrying appendix. But how do you deal with the discomfort while sitting down, like especially while driving? This is why I haven’t switched from carrying strong side...
Ian Doss,
I know you’re asking him, but I’ll chime in if it’s ok:
I have a few (5 I think?) appendix rigs, all but one with the spare mag attached, and the smaller it is the more it hurts me. The P30SK (very small) is painful after a few hours, but usually the P30L with threaded barrel and X300 light (huge) I can wear all day. The somewhat wider and much longer rig spreads out the pressure. And lower is better (to a point) because the closer the bottom of the holster is to my belt, the harder it digs into my skin.
That’s the opposite for running, though. The bigger the rig, the more pain when hustling. Uh... you do the math on that one. 😉
To me it also makes a REALLY big difference if my pants are tighter vs. roomier. Jeans, which I don’t wear often, are much less comfortable to have an appendix rig in than my Magpul semi-stretchy work pants, for instance, which I wear for work every day, all day, or BDU-type pants, which are cut generously.
When sitting for a while you’ll simply raise the whole rig from your pelvic area to your stomach, more or less. (That’s one reason roomier pants are easier than tighter pants.)
Lastly there are body types that make it easier, and types that make it harder. While not “big” yet, I’m not as skinny as I used to be, to put it mildly, and I can’t help but assume it’d be easier if I got the weight back off my middle.
The only person who can ultimately answer your question, for you, is you.
Remember pretty much everything in life is a compromise of some kind. You lose some comfort but gain unrivaled concealment and speed. There is nothing better hidden or quicker on the draw than appendix. To me it’s ABSOLUTELY worth the relative discomfort.
Unfortunately you kind of have to invest in it just to “try” it. Nobody rents holsters that I know of.
Hope that helps.
Think of an AIWB holster more like a prosthetic than a holster. Takes some work with ride height, wedge, etc. to get comfy.
I notice you don't get a full handgun grip when drawing. Your strong side thumb sits on the back of the grip and not all the way around the gun like it should. A lot of famous instructors have advised against this and recommend getting a full grip when you draw. Basically slightly push down before drawing to make sure your thumb is fully around the gun, and not on the back of the grip and then having to complete your grip in mid draw. Also without having your strong hand fully gripped, increases the chance of having the gun knocked out of your hand because your thumb isn't fully around it firmly gripping it yet. Thoughts on this?
josh48315, I find it nearly impossible to get my thumb all the way around the gun on the draw from appendix carry and have any kind of quickness. That may be one of the compromises you make for the concealment and speed of the appendix carry method. (I have no problem getting a full grip on a fast draw when I carry 4 o’clock, which I don’t do often, but I do shoot IDPA where you have to.)
There's a growing consensus that the claw grip is a full firing grip, especially on draws to full presentation, and it is demonstrably faster and more reliable than the full firing grip. It's a change I have made in the last year and it's one that was made consciously and deliberately, and I think it's a good one. FFG is great for new shooters to ensure positive engagement with the gun; CG is faster and more reliable from IWB concealment.
Excellent dry fire lesson!
13:05 “Less problems with my dot when I go fast.” That’s great! I’m getting there too.
13:45. During this particular draw, if you freeze the frame at the point in which you release your shirt, it appears that you’re letting go of your shirt BEFORE your gun clears the holster. If that’s the case, then are you okay with that? I sometimes practice recording in slow motion so that I can look out for this on replay. I’ve seen someone snag his shirt as he was coming out of the holster and it wasn’t pretty.
Once my hand is on the gun, the clear is irrelevant because my forearm and hand are pinning the shirt. So I am okay with it.
Right on!
Daaaaaaaaaaaang John!!!
Your progression over the past year is amazing!
Well done and thank you for sharing. It's an encouragement to me to see it.
I have quite a long way to go to get to that skill level but I do know it can be
done with consistent practice and application. My biggest challenge is life
gets in the way more thank I'd like.
Thanks again and keep yourself safe!
Randy
Oh! .....and what you said about getting video of myself and watching???
That has been the biggest help to me by far! ;~)
Thanks Randy! It's fun to see the progress.
@@ASPextra Ayuh, it absolutely is! :~)
Thank you for the lesson John. I know this is a bit off topic but, I really need help. I just turned 18 and I’m looking to buy a home defense rifle. It will probably be an ar15, I’ve heard that many people use them for home defense. Do you have any recommendations for any type of rifle or ammunition? Thank you so much.
If it's strictly for home defense, I recommend a shotgun. Look up Federal Flite Control.
Gabe is correct. For strictly home defense I really think a shotgun is a great choice for most people. 8 pellet Federal Flight Control 00 Buck is pretty great at doing the job, and a well set up shotgun can be excellent for home defense.
Big Dude,
There’s a huge debate about the best home defense weapon, with tons of knowledgeable people lining up on the rifle side. So if you go that way, consider getting a 16” barrel (more is harder to maneuver and less sacrifices muzzle velocity and sometimes reliability) with a mid-length gas system, and using 55 grain bullets (the fastest commonly available bullets). If you’re on a budget, get the cheapest “good” rifle you can from a known brand, and save the money for a red dot optic you can always leave on, like an Aimpoint PRO, and put something like a Streamlight on it, and you’re set. If you have plenty of funds, get a Bravo Company or Daniel Defense or similar, a Surefire M600, and an Aimpoint T2 or CompM5.
Don’t build your first rifle! (Build the second or third one. It’s too much fun not to.)
Save up for ammo and a combat/defensive carbine training class or three either way, no matter what! That’s more important than what brand of rifle you pick or how much it cost.
That’s the “short” answer.
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bingo.
@@ASPextra Money well spent
John Correia,
My brother, sadly I live in an apartment now and I have a weird person upstairs that might call or make a complaint by the noise that my Glock 19 will make when practicing:(
Any subjections bro?
Thanks so much!
How would they hear? It's a light click. Make sure to set up a safe direction.
Active Self Protection Extra , maybe it’s just me thinking weird stuff...lol! I will brother. Thank you!
Turn on the TV.
CommiTsunami ,
Yeah...Lol! Thanks bro!
Phillip C.,
The click is super quiet. When you reset it, just don’t rack it like an animal! The slide only needs to go back like 3/8” or some such to reset the trigger. It should be just as quiet.
If you use a smartphone shot timer app, you can lower the volume so that only you can hear it, and even use earbuds. A real shot timer also has an adjustable volume, but the quietest one might not be quiet enough for your needs.
Also a good idea is to add one of those laser cartridges to your training so you can see where your shot lands when you pull the trigger. I got the G-Sight on amazon and it was like $30 some bucks and a great training tool. Your sights or your dot might think you had a good sight picture but often notice that people don't see their sight until a split second after they pulled the trigger and their shot wasn't on target
You're supposed to be focused on your front sight, the laser encourages you to focus on the target.
When your pistol has a RDS, you know where the shot landed...the dot tells you. :) A laser cartridge is useful if you have a shot spotter of some kind though.
Great vid! I've just started trying a more regimented dry fire practice and have a Pocket Pro II. Have you had any issues in dry fire with the shot timer not picking up the sound of the striker on the empty chamber? I've been using it with the par time (like you do in this vid) otherwise.
Yes a Pocket Pro will not pick up dry fire at all.
I'll translate for people without a shooting coach. "unnecessary frenetic movement" = unnecessary movement. "Myelinating neural pathways" = practicing. "propreoceptive index" = body index. You're welcome, please donate to my Patreon.
Words mean things. And your definitions are off.
@@ASPextra imagine a shooting coach who could convey concepts using words everyone understands.
@@ASPextra hey, you're famous! Primary & Secondary podcast talk about your "unnecessary frenetic movement".
God, these are so amazing. I love this channel