my girlfriend and I were both working and we were struggling up until our mid 30s. We've just recently started doing well and its because I lucked into a good job and then I got her a good job in the same company and she got promoted. I saw someone venting on a discord the other day, shes in her early 20s and at one of her first jobs and shes mad that her husband keeps saying they "arent financially ready" and is about to leave him if he keeps putting it off. I can't imaging forcing someone to have a kid in this economy when you are in your 20s barely making above minimum. I started working before the 2008 crash and I was making double minimum at the time and even then I couldn't imaging supporting someone and a child, much less now. I could probably pull it off now, but it took me to almost 40 and with a partner who we now make both the average income in the country. It sucks if someone really wants kids, but forcing someone else to do that when you have no financial stability is fucked up. Like I'd love a mansion in the woods, but we can't always get what we want.
honestly im a makeup artist i dont make much i make only around 3k per month i struggle with rent money food and basically everything i cant afford one kid way too much money renting a place for $950 my mom says oh i can just rent out the place to get money and get a better house but i think that means i will only get extra $950 and it wont be enough im not really good with this but if someone lets say makes 2k and they rent a plae for $700 and sell it they wont get that much money from it you still wont have enough cause you need money to rent a new place than its not easy
Ever since I was a young teenager I knew I did not want children. I was always told "You'll change your mind". I'm 23 now, when exactly am I going to change my mind?? If anything I want children less and less.
@derekarmstrong1408 you sound like every oldhead I've ever met. I hear they're playing bingo in the dining hall tonight, Derek. They'll have your favorite pudding
I don't even want to be here, why would I drag another being into existence that might feel the same? Why risk if I can totally not make that a possibility?
I feel a bit differently I feel like I did not get a choice on if I wanted to be here and sometimes I feel like I get gas lit into just being thankful I am here when I did not chose to be here and I can't exactly leave if I wanted too.
You realize your ancestors lived through famine, starvation, war, genocide and all manner of horrors, right? Every day was struggle like you can't even comprehend and yet not a single one of them quit early. Life has been suffering for 4 billion years to give you a chance to succeed. Don't throw away your shot!
Yet the poor can have many. Kids cost that much if raised in an expensive metropolitan city by parents insisting on living in a nice house with two SUVs.
Being poor and having more kids than one can afford is not aspirational. Who cares if the poor have loads of kids - is it something to aspire to? They are totally irresponsible and are living by the ‘misery lives company’ ethos. By all means, go forth and have kids in poverty if that’s your vibe.
@@TUXmint Have you seen the conditions poor kids are "raised" under? I don't know why someone would WILLFULLY subject their own flesh and blood to that...
I wish it was still possible to run a household off a single pay check, got nothing wrong with women having careers, it's more beneficial on net, or even just switching the roll around, I’d happily be a house husband, my partner and I reckon the most ideal solution would be to tag team it, work part time, spend the rest of the week taking care of the kids, alternating. A shared workload really does help keep the family together, I don't mind cooking when I'm given a set of explicit instructions, I'm thankful for those meal kit services. I was pretty self-sufficient before my girlfriend moved in with me, so I've made sure to keep that cadence. In Australia it's also not uncommon to just bring your kids to work and tell your employer to deal with it, at least in the commercial service rolls...
Do not have children if a) you can't afford them and b) you can't afford to spend time with them. That is a vanishingly small number of people. This is what vast and extreme wealth inequality due to neoliberalism has resulted in. And if not having children makes me unlikeable to the likes of tukkker carlson, that's just the icing on the cake.
Given how much money he has he could financial afford to have more but only mulitmillionares like elon have that many kids or angelian and i know tha t they are apodted which is great . alot of the laast generation have kids way up until they 40 and cant get them a reasonable comfortable life and they also put a expectation of marriage as something holy which makes move on from a bad partner impossible even if its just a common law marriage many people cant break up due to their child needing them . Wisely tucker doesnt have more cause he couldnt affored to do anything fun with them
And yet millions of children are being born and surviving in Africa with next to nothing. Billions upon Billions of lives have been lived without the things you call basic. Extreme wealth inequality is when your ancestors hadn't eaten in 4 days and still had to fight against a competitor with a full stomach.
@@MrHellelement yeah, surviving. i think when given a choice no loving parent wants their child to exist merely to survive, it's mindless. reproduction just to experience suffering and die is absolutely mindless.
@@maridl8807Any real loving parent would do everything in their power for their child to survive. There must be something worth living for if so many millions have chosen life over giving in to what are basically suicidal thoughts.
@@MrHellelementhow the hell are you equating that to suicidal thoughts 😂 This isn’t the same “world” of our ancestors I’m gonna wind up on a commune living like our ancestors and I’m still not having kids laddy
My kids are 17 and 23 now. We couldn’t afford child care when my eldest was little in the early 2000s, so as the person who didn’t make as much I ended up being a stay at home Mom. I HATED it…so, so much. It didn’t help that both of my kids actually need a lot of support have have special needs and the support that we were told we would get from grandparents never happened. Now that I could get a job out of the home nobody will hire me because of a 20 year gap in my employment history. If I were in my early 20s right now with how everything is I would not have kids either. We still struggle with the youngest at home and an elderly parent living with us as well, I can’t imagine starting a family with how things are going right now.
People had children even during the black death. People don't hate their kids, they hate their lives. If you're unhappy you have no happiness to share with a child.
@@jackMeought-fr8vl Heh, I guess I start to understand why there was a sudden increase in infanticide cases in my country in the last few years. Especially since they banned abortions.
Please god or flying spaghetti monster or something, never let me get alluded into marrying a man and having a baby, I just want to live with my platonic best friend or just myself forever in peace
You were a child once so you should be a parent of course. That seems to be the argument I hear the most along with ‘who’ll look after you when you’re older?’ Happily child free at 40
This is Idiocracy. I am reading the comments and everyone here is articulate and can spell. Whenever I am out and about, I see lots of people who look like they dropped out and live on welfare who have 4-5 kids running amok.
12 years ago when I first saw that movie , I turned to my husband and told him point blank: THIS IS 100% predictive programming babe , watch and see . Year after year , I still turn to him and show him blatant examples of just how accurate that “comedy “ was. Right down to the kayfabe “reality”/spectacle of politics and electrolytes being in EVERYTHING. And yes , the unintelligent masses breeding at a rapid rate.
I grew up poor in a poor neighbourhood. I could never, EVER subject a child to those conditions. I still have I guess trauma from it as a 23 year old who has been part of the workforce for 8 years now. I'm terrible with money, too scared to ever actually spend it because of infinite "what ifs", I use things until I am absolutely forced to replace them (and usually going to lengths to keep them working as long as possible), forcing myself to finish meals I'm too full for because food waste, neurotic about what lights are on and how much water I'm using and if the doors are closed, hoarding things I don't need, never buying most things full price, reflexively checking the cheapest options on menus... the list is so long and it has really hampered a lot of joy because of the constant anxiety surrounding money. I can't just spend what I work so hard to make. Having children in the current climate if you're not financially able to support them just feels irresponsible, but the economy continues to get worse, wealth inequality keeps growing. You can't have a "one person works, one person does household work and child rearing" system anymore either; it's absolutely EXHAUSTING working, coming home, cooking and feeding myself and doing all the chores and all that stuff as it is. I'm not surprised people who can hardly support themselves, would have to add kids to a long list of other responsibilities, work insane hours for very little pay, have been totally forced out of the housing market basically, and have grown up watching the world devolve further and further into a dystopia of corporate greed don't want to subject both themselves and another being to all of it. Babies are people, they grow up into adults, they're not just cute lil dress up dolls you have because society tells you to; I wish more people got that tbh.
I didn’t ask to be subjected to this nightmare world, and if they had asked I would have said no, by that logic any children I would have also aren’t asking to exist
I was "child free" before it was widely expressed online. Thankful I'm not alone. I have symptoms of endometriosis (severely painful periods) and i noticed how doctors treated me. Most people minimize my pain unless they witness it. At 14 years old i had a period that wouldnt stop for 4 months straight , and doctors only put me on birth control but acted like it was normal to suffer like that. Issues with womens reproductive health care are far from solved....but im grateful to see it acknowledged more over the last few years 🖤
I think the nuclear family has to be abolished if people are going to want to have children, the other alternative is some sort of Handmaid's Tale dystopia because obviously something has to change. I think the African proverb in the beginning of the video really says it all. It can't be the child's two parents that carry the whole responsibility to raise and provide for their offspring, the whole of society needs to be involved. If all the adults in the neighbourhood participated in raising and providing for all the children in the neighbourhood, people would be happier about the idea of having kids I think. We need more collectivism, solidarity and love in our communities
There is a saying: "It takes a village to raise a child". And from my grandparents' stories, it is true. In the past mothers in my country worked together to raise children, taking some time so the other could rest somewhat. Children also often grew up together, playing with each other, and bonding. I realize it wouldn't actually be that easy to do, in the current day and age, since nearly everybody is working at least 8 hours per day. And we become more and more isolated from one another.
I'm 21 and I WANT kids in my 30s, but know it's likely I won't be able to afford to. I want to go into music, and while I do see myself being able to make a living off it fully eventually, I have to deal with the fact that the vintage baby clothes I have been stashing, will likely never be worn by kids of my own... That and pregnancy scares the hell out of me and I really don't want to go through that. Woman's health is so understudied, and they expect us to be all ok with going through a traumatic event willingly? Maybe fund more research into woman's health, and give us a break child care!
Pregnancy is HARMLESS (so many people misunderstands it) It is NATURAL to a woman's body aka NO HARM to it But if course this ONLY works if YOU want it, not a random person who never will RAISE sad child
Your 30s will be in 2030 that mean everything will be more expensive than today. I am 21 too, and I'm decided to not having any. If you want kids, that's your choice. I respect it.
I’ve established that I would like to be a father, but actually wanting to bring kids into this world is hard to come to grips with. I’m of the belief that your goal should be to give your child a better life than you had, or if not than at least equal, not to mention actually wanting to raise the child. If things keep heading in the direction they have been, then I can’t say I feel good about creating another human. If I’m not 100% on board, and financially ready for it, there will be no kids. Part of that brings me down a bit, but I’m young so things can change
@@emswildworld it’s kind of forced upon us to a point, but I stay optimistic. My old man was 44 when I was born, that’s 20 years out for me. There’s time to turn this all around. We’ll see
@@seabreeze4559 I mainly use that as an example. I suspect I’d come to final decision to have kids long before that age. Also true that, at a point, greater age increases the chances of defects in a child, but you’re always rolling the dice regardless of age. I think I turned out just fine, but it’s always luck of the draw
Interesting seeing how the majority of the comments don’t like children, i would love to look at the statistics to see what type of household the different groups grew up in. My whole life plans have always been to have a traditional family and just be able to have a comfortable life where we get to go on vacation once or twice a year. I grew up in a middle class family not upper nor lower middle class, just dead middle, and we took family vacations 2 times a year and we did everything together, family is all I’ve ever had, all friends and acquaintances do is just let you down. They don’t provide the love we seek in life the way a wife/husband and children will provide for you. I’ve stuck by the lifestyle of traditional live my parents stood together and didn’t get divorced because they made this promise to God, they worked together to raise us switching back and forth to take care of us, we never went out to eat always made meals ate home to save money so we could take 2 vacations a year and get fixer upper boats and 4wheelers. Religion has played a major role in our family, along with hard work, webpage always been blue collar. We learned how to fix things ourself and how to build things, which has saved us thousands of dollars. Personally i seem to noticed the people who don’t wants kids have divorced parents, none religious, or live in large city’s. I think it’s fine if you don’t want kids, you do you, but for me I’m planning my future for kids I’m working 60hour every week and saving money to prepare for that chapter of my life when it comes. I’m very blessed that God has watched over our family for years and that we have stuck together to build something bigger then our individual selfs
I am 20 so I'm basically still a kid but I feel like the idea of having kids can be self-defeating. You should only have kids if you are economically stable and it doesn't cause you to replace your personal goals, your individuality. The idea of having a kid is that that kid becomes your life work - you raise that kid so that they will have dreams and aspire to achieve great things and become someone, to realize their own potential and individuality. However when we have this culture which forces everyone to have kids in their 20s this potential is never achieved, and we end up having an endless cycle of raising children with wonder about what they may achieve, only to subject them to the same dream-crushing grind of parenthood, and so on and so forth. The greatest scientists, statesmen, philosophers, etc. were notorious for not having a very strong relationship with their wives and children - prioritizing their work over their own kin. This entire topic can be expanded to include people who voluntarily stay single or unmarried because they don't want to devote their lives in service of somebody else.
yes, kids as "products" that have to be individually perfected and optimised with heavy resources - and generally people as products as a result - has really messed up so much.
We are forced to have long hours of work due to globalization. We have to compete against industries from other countries with lower regulation and overhead. If we were to lower hours worked or went to a single-parent working scenario to improve family life to what we see in TV or social media we would no longer be competitive and lose jobs to people from other states or countries.
it is a little vindicating as someone who has always rejected having kids, despite the impassioned pleas from the people who had kids and were made miserable because of it. Like nah. I don't want to be in your shoes, and I don't want some poor kid I create to be in my shoes. Why would I subject a kid to myself when I can't make myself be social with the people who _choose_ to be around me?
I saw an excellent meme of a woman smugly sipping on a drink and it was captioned like When the girl you bullied you is miserable from being infected with children. - Some of them literally treat it that way.
Honestly, in a vacuum I would like to be a mom someday when I'm much older, but because the world is complicated, I doubt I ever will. I wouldn't want to have kids when I know I won't be able to afford shit, when I don't know if I can actually be better than my parents, and what the world will even come to with all the political tensions worldwide. Not to mention that if I end up having a husband, I'd be afraid of losing my personhood and never being seen as anything more than "wife" and "mother", plus the risk of even being in a relationship. On top of all of that is terrible medical systems and risks of death in pregnancy and how tricky the adoption system is. It'd honestly be easier and wiser to not get into it in the first place.
Yeah tbh the idea of having children has never been one that has sounded appealing. People always say the “why would you not want to have children” or like how you put it “you’ll change your mind”. I think the world is populated well enough for me to not have children if don’t want them. Also, If I’m with someone that I love and want to spend the rest of my life with and they’d want children. That chances are that I’d have one with them, for them, but it’s not a personal ambition of mine.
Overpopulation and the possibility of how the world might continue to progress (or regress) seems to be a major factor for a lot of people. Things are pretty shaky
All I ever get from coworkers at work is "having kids is great! you'll change your mind" in between them ranting about how awful having kids is lol like you're really not selling me on the idea here! But I'm aroace so they think I'm like uber mega broken or whatever
I can barely take care of myself, and you want us to take care of another person that costs us 10x more energy and money?! In the uk, a child can get more expensive than a house, and i can't even imagine here in the States!
When I first heard about anti-Natalism in 2015 I was kind of put off by it, I was a very nihilistic alcoholic and even I thought that it seemed a bit much. 9 years later I’m fully onboard. Life should not be subjected on to anyone. Too many variables, too much suffering. Fleeting moments of happiness where grief and sorrow fill the spaces in between.
If a lot of us struggle to survive on our own, how can people expect us to also be responsible for at least one another human being (that is 100% dependent on us physically, and emotionally)? I certainly feel lucky to have a family who doesn't expect me to risk my health and source of income, just because they want a cute baby in the family.
They automatically would not deserve it if they would try to force it on you Those parasites see kids as a toy not a living being I am glad that your parents are different
American here and unless they come from a lot of money and also have family support, most parents are really struggling. Children shouldn't be a luxury
Abraham Lincoln once said in a speech "as a nation of free men we shall live forever, or die by suicide". He wasn't talking about anti-natalism, but that may well be what does us in. It'll be interesting to watch Korea and Japan in the next few decades, they're speed running the whole population collapse thing. Seems counter intuitive that unprecedented prosperity equates to lower fertility.
This nation as we know it will end before we run out of bodies And isn’t sperm count goin down regardless due to countless cancerous chemicals, microplastics and whatever the hell else we’ve poisoned ourselves with We might be cooked anyways
Wish some of these people who don’t want kids would come to Wisconsin. This state is like a vanilla Christian breeder dystopia where people think it’s still possible to pop out a few kids and still live a J Crew life.
Well when it comes to Wisconsin compared to other states, having a family is possible- difficult but possible. As for dystopia you have clearly never been to NYC, LA or Chitown.
@@baronvonjo1929there’s also never been more people and we don’t die to famine and plagues like we used to We don’t gotta have a kid every year to make sure some survive
I had a vasectomy at 25. I'm 38 now and I have never for even one second regretted my decision. Because I don't have kids, I've had the money to help family when they were in need, travel the world, and save heavily for retirement. By 45 I'll be able to retire out right. I was also able to marry the girl of my dreams and have been married to the same woman for the last 10 years. Children are necessary for our society to function and for human life to continue, but they are not for everyone. As long as the world averages 2 kids per family we will be alright.
I am someone part of Gen Z and I do want to have kids. It is a goal of mine to raise children successfully and I think I will live a more fulfilling life if I do. However, I have came to the conclusion that this won’t happen until me and whoever my wife is have built a secure financial base and fulfilled our career dreams. Hopefully this will be by my upper 20s or early 30s.
Im 36, German, good familiar background, academic myself. And i also dont want children anymore. I could manage the costs maybe, somehow, but living in Berlin, there is no way to find affordable space for families. Main reason though: we are about to ruin our planet so much, why would i place a child in a dying world?
The world CAN BE FIXED, that is NOT the problem It is this broken society that treat children like numbers instead of LIVING BEING A WITH FEELINGS I do not have enough money to live alone or the mental stability for a child and not my partner At least not yet
top 10% of income, I cannot afford a home in the town i grew up in. Society has pinned the genders against one another, and expectations are just too damn high. We are rapldly changing the way we structure society and we are also importing so many people that even a 1 bedroom apartment requires 2 incomes. good luck raising kids in that world.
Sometimes i feel like im my parents own greatest failure and i question whether they would've been happier without me around since this video hits the point home on why my parents weren't happy in their own marriage and got a divorce not soon after i was a 9 year old. Its sad to say but i guess how the world is going i wouldn't want a child of my own to be raised up in a world that's progressing the way like it is negatively with barely any good change in sight and more people having conflict all because they think different and act different from others and having too much individual freedoms to where its almost like a turf war now whenever other parties fight with one another for no reason when it could've just been easily solved another way. The grim reality just scares me too much to think about now when Gen Alpha will eventually take the wheel from us.
There's also the health insurance problem. It can cost over 10K for a birth in the US without insurance. And that's WITHOUT complications. Here's a list for other countries (keep in mind these are the average data before inflation and this is at LEAST 2 years old) Secondary note I did some digging to double check on Japan, because the Coyne college site I used set the cost to an impossible 61K! USA- 10K Australia 5K France- 2.5 K Switzerland 7.7-9.9K Russia- .95K South Africa- 1.2K Indonesia- 2.9K Japan- 3K UK-4.6K Germany 2.1K Spain 1.9K Canada 3.1K India 2.1K Chile 3.5K Argentina 2.9K
I make MORE money than my Dad did when he raised us. I literally make $400 under what i would need to get an apartment in my area. Cause " 3x rent ". I remember my 1st apartment just cared if you could pay it.
I'm so burnout just trying to maintain a basic level of fitness and my job. Pair that with it being so hard to meet up with friends and what not, I just don't see how I can muster up the energy to raise kids.
World's such a shithole now, that people don't really have the choice they used to have regarding this. I have no problem with people making whatever decision about kids that they want, but it's depressing to me that it's not a free choice, the amount of sacrifice most people need in order to have kids nowadays is beyond ridiculous, that for many it isn't worth it. I think in better economic circumstances, many would make the decision to have kids, but can't.
Okay I feel like part of the issue is lots of people still want to have sex despite the fact that they don't want children and yes I am aware of birth control and even abortions.
Good to know. I never wish ill on people for their decisions to become parents. So you should be able to feel the same for people who don’t want the same things you do.
@@1Bearsfan Fair enough. I should have worded things differently. I directed that sentiment too narrowly towards you where I was intending it to be more general about the way I notice many react towards those who don’t want children.
I’m probably one of the only two people in this comment thread that wants a child. Hopefully it’s physically (and financially) for me to do so. Just playing with my nephew who’s not even a year old gave me intense baby fever 😂
For me (I'm a zillennial) the pandemic is what changed my mind about having kids in two ways. #1 watching parents struggling to decide whether or not to vaccinate their kids was scary. Some chose to vaccinate and the kid died or got sicker some chose to not vaccinate and the kid either still died or got sick. It looked like a loose loose situation and if you picked the wrong choice, then you'd have to live with that guilt or regret. #2 i had real bad depression before the pandemic and then the pandemic amplified that depression and with quarantine i became aware of just how fucked up I really am mentally. I do not want my kids having to deal with my bs or having mental health issues too. Bonus Reason: I've always been extremely adament about wanting only boys and have even said I'd be upset if I had girls. My mother and i have a horrible toxic relationship, so did she and my grandmother and my grandmother with her mother. So it's generational trauma. Wouldn't be fair to subject a child to thst pain.
I believe i wont have kids because there is so much to do today and so many ways to communicate with people that having one would stop my freedoms . I could get a pet if i want to take care of among other complications people like to call others self when they dont have some type of expected relationship or arent married especially if your a woman Im 17 and havent had a gf yet and it makes me feel anexiety to tell people when they ask me so
Main reasons in my country are simply: IS EXPENSIVE Lack of community People just wanna be more hedonistic (Understandable) I have met dudes that want to have kids but is expensive and also cause they dont find girls for it while the girls just think is to expensive and dont want. Man we are doomed
I want kids! I want them! I will never have them. I got an English degree because I was 18 and didn't know what a job was. I'm 26 now and working for minimum wage. My fiancee works for minimum wage. When we got together we decided we wouldn't have kids. Oh well. I have a pretty neat cat instead
Yeah I think the current economic conditions are the biggest factor in it for most people opting out. They just know they wouldn't be able to maintain a decent standard of living for themselves and their children. But me personally, I just never desired kids and am in the camp of wanting to live life for myself. Even if I was rich I wouldn't have them.
In fairness, I think Gen Z is still too early in adulthood to really tell because it's not like young adulthood is the universal standard to have children. The US in the mid to late 20th century was a different cultural context and part of it may just be a natural cultural shift to older ages having children. That being said in the US it's likely due to feeling financially insecure an being more individualistic, wanting more freedom, and rejecting having kids due to the responsibility involved. Ultimately it's the choice of the people whether or not they'll have children. And I have yet to see a government that knows how to deal with this issue in a way that isn't authoritarian.
Hello, I'm Danny and I am 25 years old. You want to find the "perfect time" to have a child but in todays world there really is not an ideal time. I am looking to have kids within the next 5 years, it is surreal to even type it. Contributing to the next generation in a positive way by properly raising my children is what I want to do. I want to leave behind a legacy that is not solely based on my personal allocates. I want my children to embody the mentality of helping others first before their own. The question should not be when are you going to have kids, the question should be are you even prepared to be a parent? It takes a different kind of person to raise a child and not everyone can live up to that. Parenting is not for the weak.
I do want a child. I'm fortunate that I don't need to work due to the nature of my disability and I claim benefits as a result. Before I got ill I did work bloody hard, but life doesn't pan out the way you hoped. It's just life. My partner works as a teacher, but we live intergenerationally so housing costs aren't a worry. Being a mum is what I want more than anything. I want to have a baby and see my child grow and blossom into adulthood. I want to add a member to my family because we're not complete yet.
@@seabreeze4559 yep. I'm prepared to take that risk. My condition is unlikely to be fatal in pregnancy. I would be monitored more intensely and considered high risk, but I'm very unlikely to die.
If you’re getting decent benefits, you’re lucky. In my country, disability benefits are a pathetic joke. Not enough to live on-even with a partner who has a job.
The problem with whole nanny thing is the nanny becomes the mother not really a great alternative honestly unless you are famous and just need the good ol American dream family facade but normal pepole dont want nanies cause then its not yoyr child anymore you become just a sperm and egg donor
I have 4 children. The first one I adopted when he was 4. I was 19, my first daughter I had when I was 20 and the rest is a cycle of having more children. Guys, parenting sucks sometimes and rewarding at others. It is a long term investment. I'm 30 years old and I'm looking at the glory of having a big family in the future. My own family. Not the one I was placed in. Not the one we all come from and say that it was a terrible experience. You get to create people that really love you. Imagine making your own best friends? Well that takes time, That takes patience, that takes fostering a garden of life built on love and repeated care. Yeah, you don't go to the club all the time, but you will start enjoying things you wouldnt normally enjoy. And thus, creating the evolution of your life that is missing in a whole generation. No one told me the complications and bonified dangers of having children. shoot, I was misled too, following what my mom and dad did right in their footsteps. But I wouldn't change anything. If your thinking about having children, forge your partner through the rigorous test of courtship and marriage. You'll need a good one lol. But that's what marriage is for, it's not just a piece paper guys. And stop being so nervous about everything! Hasent your whole life been gotten by on a prayer and by the skin of your teeth? This advice is for some not all. Hope this helps!
Im gay so thats a issue I would like to have a kid or two one day but there is nothing I can offer them. I want to give them a better life than I had and I cant even afford to move out depsite working full time. Year after year quality of life gets worse. I cant afford myself. Let alone a kid, with my car payment, medical bills, and groceries. I cant afford a house. Im not raising a kid in a rental or a apartment. That sounds terrible. Lifes never been easy but I literally cannot afford to support myself. I cant being a kid into the situation until I have some stability. Dosent seem like thats in the cards for my future but we will see. Then it becomes a question of how do I get a kid lol
Most place Gen Z starting around 1997. Certainly old enough, especially with societal and peer pressure, to have kids. And even if it wasn’t, the topic is what Gen Z thinks about having kids, an opinion people of any age can form.
I think because parenting has done a complete 180 and now 100% favours the child, there are now a lot more hurdles to successfully raising children, my mum's 1980,s "raise them by fear" style would be a good last resort option these days, I hated it growing up, but now it would be a useful tool in my arsenal today
I wasn't sure about bringing a child into this environment either but i have learned to never underestimate a child's ability to surprise you. Afterall, this world as it is right now is that child's "normal". Can you imagine how incredible they will feel when we eventually get out of this mess? We will eventually. Especially in their life time. And then they'll have a life experience worth writing about.
Somehow I get the feeling husbands do feed their children, except when the mother of their children are home. Not feeding your kids while your wife is ill, is not right, you should take care of your children for at least a week till she fully recovers.
do i need to make a list why? there isnt one reason lets see, mental health normal livable wage obliterated wage gap. political and religious persecution and my favorite, people are ok saying they dont want them regardless. not everyone is meant to or wants kids and thats ok overpopulation fighting for limited resources and jobs.
It took sacrifices for us have children. But it was worth it. Why? Because no job will ever love you giving your all to it. Does anyone really want on their tombstone, "I wish I spent more time at the office"? You'll just be replaced, and everything you did will be forgotten and updated anyway. Trust me, I found this out after I retired. Material things fade. Friends fade, move on, pass away. But children, grandchildren, and so on remain.
Children move on too. Some of them never visit their parents once they grow up. And while it's not very common, some do end up passing away before their parents too.
I don't care what is put on my tombstone. I don't even care if I get a tombstone. I do not care what happens or if I'm remembered or loved by anyone in this world after I leave it.
I feel that there are a lot of ways to be positively remembered by your community that don't have to include a person having children. What one creates. How one affects other people in their community. Helping people and/or animals in need. There is also a fact that not everybody really cares how they will be remembered after their death.
Going by what I see, I think a big part is also that with traditional gender roles being mostly gone parents have no idea what they're doing and their children turn our broken and annoying - I think that's what mostly kills satisfaction from parenting. Also, when all we have to look forward to is even less freedom and children having even worse lives than their parents, clearly procreation is just morally wrong and deep down people know it.
The cost of childcare has nothing to do with the birth rate. I can say that for certain since my country has free daycare, schools and financial support for parents. Women still choose to study until 25 and work until 30 before desperately realizing that they want to have kids but now can't find a man that meets their inflated standards who also wants her. That's to say: Our birth rate is still terrible. 11:00 "You can have a fulfilling career/life and have kids" "career/life" Equating those things..... Most people will never have a "career", They'll have a job. and that's fine, "careers" are for workaholic sociopaths. Just like politicians. Jobs are for financing your life so you can do what makes normal people happy. Jobs don't have to suck, all corporate jobs do suck. "Real" jobs generally don't.
I can't afford rent, why would i subject a child to this.
Idk, legacy? What else are we really on this earth for other than to reproduce?
my girlfriend and I were both working and we were struggling up until our mid 30s. We've just recently started doing well and its because I lucked into a good job and then I got her a good job in the same company and she got promoted. I saw someone venting on a discord the other day, shes in her early 20s and at one of her first jobs and shes mad that her husband keeps saying they "arent financially ready" and is about to leave him if he keeps putting it off.
I can't imaging forcing someone to have a kid in this economy when you are in your 20s barely making above minimum. I started working before the 2008 crash and I was making double minimum at the time and even then I couldn't imaging supporting someone and a child, much less now. I could probably pull it off now, but it took me to almost 40 and with a partner who we now make both the average income in the country.
It sucks if someone really wants kids, but forcing someone else to do that when you have no financial stability is fucked up. Like I'd love a mansion in the woods, but we can't always get what we want.
Felt that
I can barely take care of myself, let alone a child
honestly im a makeup artist i dont make much i make only around 3k per month i struggle with rent money food and basically everything i cant afford one kid way too much money renting a place for $950 my mom says oh i can just rent out the place to get money and get a better house but i think that means i will only get extra $950 and it wont be enough im not really good with this but if someone lets say makes 2k and they rent a plae for $700 and sell it they wont get that much money from it you still wont have enough cause you need money to rent a new place than its not easy
Old people: having kids will take all your free time and money and will ruin your life
Young people: ok we won't have any
Old people: 😡😠🤬😤💥
"having kids will ruin your life....... when are you having kids?"
Well why do you think old people overturned roe v wade
You can't have any since for you, there is no money and free time left anymore
They need more workers in order to help the executive team by their second vacation home or fancy toys.
😂😂😂😂💯💯
This world is made for psychopaths and sociopaths. There's no reason to bring a child into this hellhole.
Not the world but society is DEFINITELY broken
Ever since I was a young teenager I knew I did not want children. I was always told "You'll change your mind". I'm 23 now, when exactly am I going to change my mind?? If anything I want children less and less.
its boomer gaslighting again
I am 36 and the older I get the less and less I want to have children.
@derekarmstrong1408 you sound like every oldhead I've ever met. I hear they're playing bingo in the dining hall tonight, Derek. They'll have your favorite pudding
@derekarmstrong1408 okay grandpa that's enough for today. Go back to your dorm. The Andy Griffith show is on
Yeah same for me the more time goes on, the less I want children.
I don't even want to be here, why would I drag another being into existence that might feel the same? Why risk if I can totally not make that a possibility?
I feel a bit differently I feel like I did not get a choice on if I wanted to be here and sometimes I feel like I get gas lit into just being thankful I am here when I did not chose to be here and I can't exactly leave if I wanted too.
I feel the same way bruh
Same here! Life is pointless!
You realize your ancestors lived through famine, starvation, war, genocide and all manner of horrors, right? Every day was struggle like you can't even comprehend and yet not a single one of them quit early. Life has been suffering for 4 billion years to give you a chance to succeed. Don't throw away your shot!
@@MrHellelementyou realize back then a kid wasnt as much of a liability as it is now and that people didnt have the choice to not have kids
One child literally costs more than a brand new Lamborghini lmao.
Yet the poor can have many.
Kids cost that much if raised in an expensive metropolitan city by parents insisting on living in a nice house with two SUVs.
Being poor and having more kids than one can afford is not aspirational. Who cares if the poor have loads of kids - is it something to aspire to? They are totally irresponsible and are living by the ‘misery lives company’ ethos. By all means, go forth and have kids in poverty if that’s your vibe.
@@TUXmint Have you seen the conditions poor kids are "raised" under? I don't know why someone would WILLFULLY subject their own flesh and blood to that...
@@whitneyanders5945 Lol, ikr? It's like these people really don't understand that people don't want to bring their own kin into poverty.
My top priorities list in life has always been 1. don't be poor 2. find someone to love and 3. make cool music.
I should get a vasectomy.
I got a vasectomy last year and it was the best decision i've ever made because just last month abortion was made illegal in my state.
@@Zectifin Horrifying! (The abortion part, kudos on your reproductive autonomy)
@@Zectifin "murdering children was made illegal, oh noes! what ever will we do!'
Good!
@@phylocybe_ Fetuses aren't children.
I wish it was still possible to run a household off a single pay check, got nothing wrong with women having careers, it's more beneficial on net, or even just switching the roll around, I’d happily be a house husband, my partner and I reckon the most ideal solution would be to tag team it, work part time, spend the rest of the week taking care of the kids, alternating.
A shared workload really does help keep the family together, I don't mind cooking when I'm given a set of explicit instructions, I'm thankful for those meal kit services.
I was pretty self-sufficient before my girlfriend moved in with me, so I've made sure to keep that cadence.
In Australia it's also not uncommon to just bring your kids to work and tell your employer to deal with it, at least in the commercial service rolls...
You guys are lucky. In the US our employers want us to have kids and then demand we act like they don't exist.
Why not babysit now if you think it's so easy?
House husband… ok
@@seabreeze4559 1. He didn't say it was easy 2. It's not babysitting to care for your own children, it's parenting.
Do not have children if a) you can't afford them and b) you can't afford to spend time with them. That is a vanishingly small number of people. This is what vast and extreme wealth inequality due to neoliberalism has resulted in. And if not having children makes me unlikeable to the likes of tukkker carlson, that's just the icing on the cake.
Given how much money he has he could financial afford to have more but only mulitmillionares like elon have that many kids or angelian and i know tha t they are apodted which is great . alot of the laast generation have kids way up until they 40 and cant get them a reasonable comfortable life and they also put a expectation of marriage as something holy which makes move on from a bad partner impossible even if its just a common law marriage many people cant break up due to their child needing them . Wisely tucker doesnt have more cause he couldnt affored to do anything fun with them
And yet millions of children are being born and surviving in Africa with next to nothing. Billions upon Billions of lives have been lived without the things you call basic. Extreme wealth inequality is when your ancestors hadn't eaten in 4 days and still had to fight against a competitor with a full stomach.
@@MrHellelement yeah, surviving. i think when given a choice no loving parent wants their child to exist merely to survive, it's mindless. reproduction just to experience suffering and die is absolutely mindless.
@@maridl8807Any real loving parent would do everything in their power for their child to survive. There must be something worth living for if so many millions have chosen life over giving in to what are basically suicidal thoughts.
@@MrHellelementhow the hell are you equating that to suicidal thoughts 😂
This isn’t the same “world” of our ancestors
I’m gonna wind up on a commune living like our ancestors and I’m still not having kids laddy
My kids are 17 and 23 now. We couldn’t afford child care when my eldest was little in the early 2000s, so as the person who didn’t make as much I ended up being a stay at home Mom. I HATED it…so, so much. It didn’t help that both of my kids actually need a lot of support have have special needs and the support that we were told we would get from grandparents never happened. Now that I could get a job out of the home nobody will hire me because of a 20 year gap in my employment history. If I were in my early 20s right now with how everything is I would not have kids either. We still struggle with the youngest at home and an elderly parent living with us as well, I can’t imagine starting a family with how things are going right now.
Mrs. Wray is that you?
yeah grandparents lie
Jezus ,do happy I never wanted kids! 63 here,divorced and living with my bichon frise blue! Haven!
Birthcontrol birthcontrol! I never wanted kids! Birthcontrol my whole live!
What is it with BB grandparents demanding children but not providing a single penny of support to raise said grandchildren?
People had children even during the black death.
People don't hate their kids, they hate their lives.
If you're unhappy you have no happiness to share with a child.
they didn't have contraception
@@seabreeze4559 They did, it was called infanticide.
@@jackMeought-fr8vl Heh, I guess I start to understand why there was a sudden increase in infanticide cases in my country in the last few years. Especially since they banned abortions.
@@najpotenicewolf934wow makes me wonder how those stats in the us are gonna look like now
No hate but DISLIKE the SITUATION not life
Please god or flying spaghetti monster or something, never let me get alluded into marrying a man and having a baby, I just want to live with my platonic best friend or just myself forever in peace
You were a child once so you should be a parent of course. That seems to be the argument I hear the most along with ‘who’ll look after you when you’re older?’
Happily child free at 40
My stock response to that is “one day, I’ll be a rotting corpse. Should I want to keep one of those in my living room?”
How brotha… what if were disabled lol, or locked in a mental asylum, should we still have kids❓
This is Idiocracy. I am reading the comments and everyone here is articulate and can spell. Whenever I am out and about, I see lots of people who look like they dropped out and live on welfare who have 4-5 kids running amok.
12 years ago when I first saw that movie , I turned to my husband and told him point blank: THIS IS 100% predictive programming babe , watch and see . Year after year , I still turn to him and show him blatant examples of just how accurate that “comedy “ was. Right down to the kayfabe “reality”/spectacle of politics and electrolytes being in EVERYTHING. And yes , the unintelligent masses breeding at a rapid rate.
@@jessicajaynenc1202 Always has been.
They must be rich then considering that each kid supposedly costs $332.000.
Not when you have government assistance and don’t care about giving your kids a shitty life
I grew up poor in a poor neighbourhood. I could never, EVER subject a child to those conditions. I still have I guess trauma from it as a 23 year old who has been part of the workforce for 8 years now. I'm terrible with money, too scared to ever actually spend it because of infinite "what ifs", I use things until I am absolutely forced to replace them (and usually going to lengths to keep them working as long as possible), forcing myself to finish meals I'm too full for because food waste, neurotic about what lights are on and how much water I'm using and if the doors are closed, hoarding things I don't need, never buying most things full price, reflexively checking the cheapest options on menus... the list is so long and it has really hampered a lot of joy because of the constant anxiety surrounding money. I can't just spend what I work so hard to make.
Having children in the current climate if you're not financially able to support them just feels irresponsible, but the economy continues to get worse, wealth inequality keeps growing. You can't have a "one person works, one person does household work and child rearing" system anymore either; it's absolutely EXHAUSTING working, coming home, cooking and feeding myself and doing all the chores and all that stuff as it is. I'm not surprised people who can hardly support themselves, would have to add kids to a long list of other responsibilities, work insane hours for very little pay, have been totally forced out of the housing market basically, and have grown up watching the world devolve further and further into a dystopia of corporate greed don't want to subject both themselves and another being to all of it. Babies are people, they grow up into adults, they're not just cute lil dress up dolls you have because society tells you to; I wish more people got that tbh.
I didn’t ask to be subjected to this nightmare world, and if they had asked I would have said no, by that logic any children I would have also aren’t asking to exist
I was "child free" before it was widely expressed online. Thankful I'm not alone. I have symptoms of endometriosis (severely painful periods) and i noticed how doctors treated me. Most people minimize my pain unless they witness it. At 14 years old i had a period that wouldnt stop for 4 months straight , and doctors only put me on birth control but acted like it was normal to suffer like that. Issues with womens reproductive health care are far from solved....but im grateful to see it acknowledged more over the last few years 🖤
I think the nuclear family has to be abolished if people are going to want to have children, the other alternative is some sort of Handmaid's Tale dystopia because obviously something has to change. I think the African proverb in the beginning of the video really says it all. It can't be the child's two parents that carry the whole responsibility to raise and provide for their offspring, the whole of society needs to be involved. If all the adults in the neighbourhood participated in raising and providing for all the children in the neighbourhood, people would be happier about the idea of having kids I think. We need more collectivism, solidarity and love in our communities
Even as a man, I don't want a reality that resembles The Handmaid's Tale.
There is a saying: "It takes a village to raise a child". And from my grandparents' stories, it is true. In the past mothers in my country worked together to raise children, taking some time so the other could rest somewhat. Children also often grew up together, playing with each other, and bonding. I realize it wouldn't actually be that easy to do, in the current day and age, since nearly everybody is working at least 8 hours per day. And we become more and more isolated from one another.
I'm 21 and I WANT kids in my 30s, but know it's likely I won't be able to afford to. I want to go into music, and while I do see myself being able to make a living off it fully eventually, I have to deal with the fact that the vintage baby clothes I have been stashing, will likely never be worn by kids of my own... That and pregnancy scares the hell out of me and I really don't want to go through that. Woman's health is so understudied, and they expect us to be all ok with going through a traumatic event willingly?
Maybe fund more research into woman's health, and give us a break child care!
google childbirth PTSD studies. It's like 47% PER PREGNANCY.
@@seabreeze4559 I believe it.
Pregnancy is HARMLESS (so many people misunderstands it)
It is NATURAL to a woman's body aka NO HARM to it
But if course this ONLY works if YOU want it, not a random person who never will RAISE sad child
Dont worry too much, if you want to have kids. Then do it
Your 30s will be in 2030 that mean everything will be more expensive than today. I am 21 too, and I'm decided to not having any. If you want kids, that's your choice. I respect it.
I’ve established that I would like to be a father, but actually wanting to bring kids into this world is hard to come to grips with.
I’m of the belief that your goal should be to give your child a better life than you had, or if not than at least equal, not to mention actually wanting to raise the child. If things keep heading in the direction they have been, then I can’t say I feel good about creating another human.
If I’m not 100% on board, and financially ready for it, there will be no kids. Part of that brings me down a bit, but I’m young so things can change
This sentiment is becoming very common among younger people.
@@emswildworld it’s kind of forced upon us to a point, but I stay optimistic. My old man was 44 when I was born, that’s 20 years out for me. There’s time to turn this all around. We’ll see
@@A.C.E. but paternal age causes serious health problems that mean the kid may never leave the house?
@@seabreeze4559 I mainly use that as an example. I suspect I’d come to final decision to have kids long before that age. Also true that, at a point, greater age increases the chances of defects in a child, but you’re always rolling the dice regardless of age. I think I turned out just fine, but it’s always luck of the draw
Interesting seeing how the majority of the comments don’t like children, i would love to look at the statistics to see what type of household the different groups grew up in. My whole life plans have always been to have a traditional family and just be able to have a comfortable life where we get to go on vacation once or twice a year. I grew up in a middle class family not upper nor lower middle class, just dead middle, and we took family vacations 2 times a year and we did everything together, family is all I’ve ever had, all friends and acquaintances do is just let you down. They don’t provide the love we seek in life the way a wife/husband and children will provide for you. I’ve stuck by the lifestyle of traditional live my parents stood together and didn’t get divorced because they made this promise to God, they worked together to raise us switching back and forth to take care of us, we never went out to eat always made meals ate home to save money so we could take 2 vacations a year and get fixer upper boats and 4wheelers. Religion has played a major role in our family, along with hard work, webpage always been blue collar. We learned how to fix things ourself and how to build things, which has saved us thousands of dollars.
Personally i seem to noticed the people who don’t wants kids have divorced parents, none religious, or live in large city’s. I think it’s fine if you don’t want kids, you do you, but for me I’m planning my future for kids I’m working 60hour every week and saving money to prepare for that chapter of my life when it comes. I’m very blessed that God has watched over our family for years and that we have stuck together to build something bigger then our individual selfs
I am 20 so I'm basically still a kid but I feel like the idea of having kids can be self-defeating. You should only have kids if you are economically stable and it doesn't cause you to replace your personal goals, your individuality. The idea of having a kid is that that kid becomes your life work - you raise that kid so that they will have dreams and aspire to achieve great things and become someone, to realize their own potential and individuality. However when we have this culture which forces everyone to have kids in their 20s this potential is never achieved, and we end up having an endless cycle of raising children with wonder about what they may achieve, only to subject them to the same dream-crushing grind of parenthood, and so on and so forth. The greatest scientists, statesmen, philosophers, etc. were notorious for not having a very strong relationship with their wives and children - prioritizing their work over their own kin. This entire topic can be expanded to include people who voluntarily stay single or unmarried because they don't want to devote their lives in service of somebody else.
yes, kids as "products" that have to be individually perfected and optimised with heavy resources - and generally people as products as a result - has really messed up so much.
Just have babies, baby is blessing
We are forced to have long hours of work due to globalization. We have to compete against industries from other countries with lower regulation and overhead. If we were to lower hours worked or went to a single-parent working scenario to improve family life to what we see in TV or social media we would no longer be competitive and lose jobs to people from other states or countries.
globalization = billions of competition
"lose"? GDP means basically nothing unless you're the 1%
it is a little vindicating as someone who has always rejected having kids, despite the impassioned pleas from the people who had kids and were made miserable because of it. Like nah. I don't want to be in your shoes, and I don't want some poor kid I create to be in my shoes. Why would I subject a kid to myself when I can't make myself be social with the people who _choose_ to be around me?
I saw an excellent meme of a woman smugly sipping on a drink and it was captioned like When the girl you bullied you is miserable from being infected with children. - Some of them literally treat it that way.
Honestly, in a vacuum I would like to be a mom someday when I'm much older, but because the world is complicated, I doubt I ever will. I wouldn't want to have kids when I know I won't be able to afford shit, when I don't know if I can actually be better than my parents, and what the world will even come to with all the political tensions worldwide. Not to mention that if I end up having a husband, I'd be afraid of losing my personhood and never being seen as anything more than "wife" and "mother", plus the risk of even being in a relationship. On top of all of that is terrible medical systems and risks of death in pregnancy and how tricky the adoption system is. It'd honestly be easier and wiser to not get into it in the first place.
Yeah tbh the idea of having children has never been one that has sounded appealing. People always say the “why would you not want to have children” or like how you put it “you’ll change your mind”. I think the world is populated well enough for me to not have children if don’t want them. Also, If I’m with someone that I love and want to spend the rest of my life with and they’d want children. That chances are that I’d have one with them, for them, but it’s not a personal ambition of mine.
Overpopulation and the possibility of how the world might continue to progress (or regress) seems to be a major factor for a lot of people. Things are pretty shaky
@@emswildworld do you have any family ambitions yourself?
@@Barnsey3288 Hmm I would say I'm a fence sitter. The world is pretty unstable right now so that plays into it too.
The world isn't overpopulated, it's only the third world dumps that have too many people
All I ever get from coworkers at work is "having kids is great! you'll change your mind" in between them ranting about how awful having kids is lol like you're really not selling me on the idea here! But I'm aroace so they think I'm like uber mega broken or whatever
I can barely take care of myself, and you want us to take care of another person that costs us 10x more energy and money?! In the uk, a child can get more expensive than a house, and i can't even imagine here in the States!
My bloodline ends with me
@@KRobinson-ko1ne
Same. 😎🍻
@@KRobinson-ko1nesame, plus, I have siblings to continue the last name lol
You already have your hands full
Besides it’s better the human race goes out from natural causes and lack of breathing than say disease or famine
When I first heard about anti-Natalism in 2015 I was kind of put off by it, I was a very nihilistic alcoholic and even I thought that it seemed a bit much. 9 years later I’m fully onboard. Life should not be subjected on to anyone. Too many variables, too much suffering. Fleeting moments of happiness where grief and sorrow fill the spaces in between.
If a lot of us struggle to survive on our own, how can people expect us to also be responsible for at least one another human being (that is 100% dependent on us physically, and emotionally)? I certainly feel lucky to have a family who doesn't expect me to risk my health and source of income, just because they want a cute baby in the family.
They automatically would not deserve it if they would try to force it on you
Those parasites see kids as a toy not a living being
I am glad that your parents are different
the traditional milestones are unattainable to young adults so they are stuck in perpetual adolescence
American here and unless they come from a lot of money and also have family support, most parents are really struggling. Children shouldn't be a luxury
Abraham Lincoln once said in a speech "as a nation of free men we shall live forever, or die by suicide". He wasn't talking about anti-natalism, but that may well be what does us in. It'll be interesting to watch Korea and Japan in the next few decades, they're speed running the whole population collapse thing. Seems counter intuitive that unprecedented prosperity equates to lower fertility.
This nation as we know it will end before we run out of bodies
And isn’t sperm count goin down regardless due to countless cancerous chemicals, microplastics and whatever the hell else we’ve poisoned ourselves with
We might be cooked anyways
Wish some of these people who don’t want kids would come to Wisconsin. This state is like a vanilla Christian breeder dystopia where people think it’s still possible to pop out a few kids and still live a J Crew life.
Well when it comes to Wisconsin compared to other states, having a family is possible- difficult but possible. As for dystopia you have clearly never been to NYC, LA or Chitown.
I’m from Chitown Pooh bear. Hence why I live in Milwaukee.
Nuclear decay.
I guess you could its.... Half-Life.
why would anyone wanna raise a child in non prosperous conditions...
Look at history. Most of it was worse than it is now.
@@baronvonjo1929there’s also never been more people and we don’t die to famine and plagues like we used to
We don’t gotta have a kid every year to make sure some survive
I want children, but I myself struggle with getting the health care I need so I do not want bring a child into this world that lacks health care.
i barely afford the maintenance of my damn car how can i raise a child lol 💩😂
I want children. I can't afford them. As a product of being had when I couldn't be afforded, I know better than to have them when I can't afford them.
I had a vasectomy at 25. I'm 38 now and I have never for even one second regretted my decision. Because I don't have kids, I've had the money to help family when they were in need, travel the world, and save heavily for retirement. By 45 I'll be able to retire out right. I was also able to marry the girl of my dreams and have been married to the same woman for the last 10 years. Children are necessary for our society to function and for human life to continue, but they are not for everyone. As long as the world averages 2 kids per family we will be alright.
I am someone part of Gen Z and I do want to have kids. It is a goal of mine to raise children successfully and I think I will live a more fulfilling life if I do. However, I have came to the conclusion that this won’t happen until me and whoever my wife is have built a secure financial base and fulfilled our career dreams. Hopefully this will be by my upper 20s or early 30s.
Im 36, German, good familiar background, academic myself. And i also dont want children anymore. I could manage the costs maybe, somehow, but living in Berlin, there is no way to find affordable space for families.
Main reason though: we are about to ruin our planet so much, why would i place a child in a dying world?
The world CAN BE FIXED, that is NOT the problem
It is this broken society that treat children like numbers instead of LIVING BEING A WITH FEELINGS
I do not have enough money to live alone or the mental stability for a child and not my partner
At least not yet
top 10% of income, I cannot afford a home in the town i grew up in. Society has pinned the genders against one another, and expectations are just too damn high. We are rapldly changing the way we structure society and we are also importing so many people that even a 1 bedroom apartment requires 2 incomes. good luck raising kids in that world.
I rather buy a car than have a child cost cheaper 😂😂😂
Sometimes i feel like im my parents own greatest failure and i question whether they would've been happier without me around since this video hits the point home on why my parents weren't happy in their own marriage and got a divorce not soon after i was a 9 year old. Its sad to say but i guess how the world is going i wouldn't want a child of my own to be raised up in a world that's progressing the way like it is negatively with barely any good change in sight and more people having conflict all because they think different and act different from others and having too much individual freedoms to where its almost like a turf war now whenever other parties fight with one another for no reason when it could've just been easily solved another way. The grim reality just scares me too much to think about now when Gen Alpha will eventually take the wheel from us.
There's also the health insurance problem. It can cost over 10K for a birth in the US without insurance. And that's WITHOUT complications. Here's a list for other countries (keep in mind these are the average data before inflation and this is at LEAST 2 years old)
Secondary note I did some digging to double check on Japan, because the Coyne college site I used set the cost to an impossible 61K!
USA- 10K
Australia 5K
France- 2.5 K
Switzerland 7.7-9.9K
Russia- .95K
South Africa- 1.2K
Indonesia- 2.9K
Japan- 3K
UK-4.6K
Germany 2.1K
Spain 1.9K
Canada 3.1K
India 2.1K
Chile 3.5K
Argentina 2.9K
I make MORE money than my Dad did when he raised us. I literally make $400 under what i would need to get an apartment in my area. Cause " 3x rent ".
I remember my 1st apartment just cared if you could pay it.
I'm so burnout just trying to maintain a basic level of fitness and my job. Pair that with it being so hard to meet up with friends and what not, I just don't see how I can muster up the energy to raise kids.
World's such a shithole now, that people don't really have the choice they used to have regarding this. I have no problem with people making whatever decision about kids that they want, but it's depressing to me that it's not a free choice, the amount of sacrifice most people need in order to have kids nowadays is beyond ridiculous, that for many it isn't worth it. I think in better economic circumstances, many would make the decision to have kids, but can't.
I've always known it's not something I want to do or I'm going to do. Know yourself and act accordingly.
Okay I feel like part of the issue is lots of people still want to have sex despite the fact that they don't want children and yes I am aware of birth control and even abortions.
I don't get it
Ya cus as it turns out you can bone without having kids
I can't speak for the younger generations, but as a GenX single dad, my kid is the greatest blessing in my life. Caring for my child is NOT a burden.
Good to know. I never wish ill on people for their decisions to become parents. So you should be able to feel the same for people who don’t want the same things you do.
@@LucareonVee I literally said I can't speak for younger generations and said caring for MY child is not a burden.
@@1Bearsfan
And as such, I wanted to speak for myself (someone you said you couldn’t speak for).
@@LucareonVee Right, but you inferred I "wished ill" on others which I in no way do, nor did my statement in any way convey that. Word choice matters.
@@1Bearsfan
Fair enough. I should have worded things differently. I directed that sentiment too narrowly towards you where I was intending it to be more general about the way I notice many react towards those who don’t want children.
I’m probably one of the only two people in this comment thread that wants a child. Hopefully it’s physically (and financially) for me to do so. Just playing with my nephew who’s not even a year old gave me intense baby fever 😂
Why would you want to bring a child into this hellscape of a planet? It's made for psychopaths.
For me (I'm a zillennial) the pandemic is what changed my mind about having kids in two ways. #1 watching parents struggling to decide whether or not to vaccinate their kids was scary. Some chose to vaccinate and the kid died or got sicker some chose to not vaccinate and the kid either still died or got sick. It looked like a loose loose situation and if you picked the wrong choice, then you'd have to live with that guilt or regret. #2 i had real bad depression before the pandemic and then the pandemic amplified that depression and with quarantine i became aware of just how fucked up I really am mentally. I do not want my kids having to deal with my bs or having mental health issues too. Bonus Reason: I've always been extremely adament about wanting only boys and have even said I'd be upset if I had girls. My mother and i have a horrible toxic relationship, so did she and my grandmother and my grandmother with her mother. So it's generational trauma. Wouldn't be fair to subject a child to thst pain.
These may be additional reasons not to create a child, the main reason in my views is harm that would be imposed on them.
I believe i wont have kids because there is so much to do today and so many ways to communicate with people that having one would stop my freedoms . I could get a pet if i want to take care of among other complications people like to call others self when they dont have some type of expected relationship or arent married especially if your a woman Im 17 and havent had a gf yet and it makes me feel anexiety to tell people when they ask me so
I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t want kids, plus it’s my life, my business.
what's really wild is this channel having 6k subs
Once you've had Chad you never go back
Thanks for this! Your videos are always well thought out. They are well made too!
Main reasons in my country are simply:
IS EXPENSIVE
Lack of community
People just wanna be more hedonistic (Understandable)
I have met dudes that want to have kids but is expensive and also cause they dont find girls for it while the girls just think is to expensive and dont want. Man we are doomed
No worries, the new citizens are already arriving.
We won't be required for much longer.
As a man some of those men were embarrassing omg
This is a solid channels. Keep up the good work. Subbed.
I want kids but every time I ask a woman for one they pepper spray me :(
I'm pro children I think atm the problem is that millenials were very stressed so gen z saw that and thought nah not for me
Dude you’re on the up and up. Nice quality content. This will be a big channel someday
Love your videos! Glad to see you’re getting views!
Love your videos!!
I want kids! I want them! I will never have them. I got an English degree because I was 18 and didn't know what a job was. I'm 26 now and working for minimum wage. My fiancee works for minimum wage. When we got together we decided we wouldn't have kids. Oh well. I have a pretty neat cat instead
Yeah I think the current economic conditions are the biggest factor in it for most people opting out. They just know they wouldn't be able to maintain a decent standard of living for themselves and their children. But me personally, I just never desired kids and am in the camp of wanting to live life for myself. Even if I was rich I wouldn't have them.
The system is working as intended.
Keep up with not having kids, less competition for mine 😂
Sorry had to leave because of "new-cue-ler" 😅
So happy I found your channel! New subscriber 🥰 And your eyes are so beautiful
Agreed! Also a new sub.
I might foster if i have enough money, but ill probably be dead by my 40s tbh.
Great Video! Keep up the hard work!
In fairness, I think Gen Z is still too early in adulthood to really tell because it's not like young adulthood is the universal standard to have children. The US in the mid to late 20th century was a different cultural context and part of it may just be a natural cultural shift to older ages having children.
That being said in the US it's likely due to feeling financially insecure an being more individualistic, wanting more freedom, and rejecting having kids due to the responsibility involved.
Ultimately it's the choice of the people whether or not they'll have children. And I have yet to see a government that knows how to deal with this issue in a way that isn't authoritarian.
Great video essays, subscribed
Good, fewer lazy people that think the bathroom is a phonebooth.
Hello, I'm Danny and I am 25 years old. You want to find the "perfect time" to have a child but in todays world there really is not an ideal time. I am looking to have kids within the next 5 years, it is surreal to even type it. Contributing to the next generation in a positive way by properly raising my children is what I want to do. I want to leave behind a legacy that is not solely based on my personal allocates. I want my children to embody the mentality of helping others first before their own. The question should not be when are you going to have kids, the question should be are you even prepared to be a parent? It takes a different kind of person to raise a child and not everyone can live up to that. Parenting is not for the weak.
I'd rather spend my life on my creative passions with my partner than ever have kids. So far so good into my 30s.
I do want a child. I'm fortunate that I don't need to work due to the nature of my disability and I claim benefits as a result. Before I got ill I did work bloody hard, but life doesn't pan out the way you hoped. It's just life. My partner works as a teacher, but we live intergenerationally so housing costs aren't a worry.
Being a mum is what I want more than anything. I want to have a baby and see my child grow and blossom into adulthood. I want to add a member to my family because we're not complete yet.
you know pregnancy can make disabilities worse? even fatal?
@@seabreeze4559 yep. I'm prepared to take that risk. My condition is unlikely to be fatal in pregnancy. I would be monitored more intensely and considered high risk, but I'm very unlikely to die.
If you’re getting decent benefits, you’re lucky. In my country, disability benefits are a pathetic joke. Not enough to live on-even with a partner who has a job.
The problem with whole nanny thing is the nanny becomes the mother not really a great alternative honestly unless you are famous and just need the good ol American dream family facade but normal pepole dont want nanies cause then its not yoyr child anymore you become just a sperm and egg donor
I have 4 children. The first one I adopted when he was 4. I was 19, my first daughter I had when I was 20 and the rest is a cycle of having more children. Guys, parenting sucks sometimes and rewarding at others. It is a long term investment. I'm 30 years old and I'm looking at the glory of having a big family in the future. My own family. Not the one I was placed in. Not the one we all come from and say that it was a terrible experience. You get to create people that really love you. Imagine making your own best friends? Well that takes time, That takes patience, that takes fostering a garden of life built on love and repeated care. Yeah, you don't go to the club all the time, but you will start enjoying things you wouldnt normally enjoy. And thus, creating the evolution of your life that is missing in a whole generation.
No one told me the complications and bonified dangers of having children. shoot, I was misled too, following what my mom and dad did right in their footsteps. But I wouldn't change anything. If your thinking about having children, forge your partner through the rigorous test of courtship and marriage. You'll need a good one lol. But that's what marriage is for, it's not just a piece paper guys. And stop being so nervous about everything! Hasent your whole life been gotten by on a prayer and by the skin of your teeth?
This advice is for some not all. Hope this helps!
Dang couldn’t find any friends and had to make your own 😅
Jk
i like your voice and how your head works, thank you for the video
Im gay so thats a issue
I would like to have a kid or two one day but there is nothing I can offer them. I want to give them a better life than I had and I cant even afford to move out depsite working full time.
Year after year quality of life gets worse. I cant afford myself. Let alone a kid, with my car payment, medical bills, and groceries. I cant afford a house. Im not raising a kid in a rental or a apartment. That sounds terrible. Lifes never been easy but I literally cannot afford to support myself. I cant being a kid into the situation until I have some stability. Dosent seem like thats in the cards for my future but we will see. Then it becomes a question of how do I get a kid lol
"Im gay thats an issue"
Vs "since im gay, even though i could adopt..."
Bro, dont bash your own gayness...
@@blipojones2114did you stop at that first line ya numpty
They kinda went on to say they couldn’t afford one and so adopting ain’t gonna help there
Servants girl you would be a serf or Servant if you aren't royalty 😂😂😂
Most of my money goes to rent and credit cards.... its mot going to happen
Possibly because they themselves are children
Most place Gen Z starting around 1997. Certainly old enough, especially with societal and peer pressure, to have kids.
And even if it wasn’t, the topic is what Gen Z thinks about having kids, an opinion people of any age can form.
Half of Gen Z is underage to have kids (below 18)
I’m only in high school and people ask when I’m having kids
@@gAm3r_GuRl984If the gen z formula is 1997-2012, they're between the ages of 12-27.
Does anyone know anything about this poster she makes good videos I like to put her bio in my blog
I think because parenting has done a complete 180 and now 100% favours the child, there are now a lot more hurdles to successfully raising children, my mum's 1980,s "raise them by fear" style would be a good last resort option these days, I hated it growing up, but now it would be a useful tool in my arsenal today
I wasn't sure about bringing a child into this environment either but i have learned to never underestimate a child's ability to surprise you. Afterall, this world as it is right now is that child's "normal".
Can you imagine how incredible they will feel when we eventually get out of this mess? We will eventually. Especially in their life time. And then they'll have a life experience worth writing about.
Global warming is likely to make the planet uninhabitable in a child’s lifetime. I’m not so optimistic.
Somehow I get the feeling husbands do feed their children, except when the mother of their children are home. Not feeding your kids while your wife is ill, is not right, you should take care of your children for at least a week till she fully recovers.
do i need to make a list why? there isnt one reason
lets see,
mental health
normal livable wage obliterated
wage gap.
political and religious persecution
and my favorite, people are ok saying they dont want them regardless. not everyone is meant to or wants kids and thats ok
overpopulation
fighting for limited resources and jobs.
Average cost for a professional daycare is 20-25k per kid after taxes. Get your 10k cost out of here. Lies
3:35 bro you see that swastika? 🤨
Nuclear...what da f is "newkewler"?
It took sacrifices for us have children. But it was worth it. Why? Because no job will ever love you giving your all to it. Does anyone really want on their tombstone, "I wish I spent more time at the office"? You'll just be replaced, and everything you did will be forgotten and updated anyway. Trust me, I found this out after I retired. Material things fade. Friends fade, move on, pass away. But children, grandchildren, and so on remain.
Children move on too. Some of them never visit their parents once they grow up. And while it's not very common, some do end up passing away before their parents too.
I don't care what is put on my tombstone. I don't even care if I get a tombstone. I do not care what happens or if I'm remembered or loved by anyone in this world after I leave it.
I feel that there are a lot of ways to be positively remembered by your community that don't have to include a person having children. What one creates. How one affects other people in their community. Helping people and/or animals in need.
There is also a fact that not everybody really cares how they will be remembered after their death.
I love your vids! ❤
Going by what I see, I think a big part is also that with traditional gender roles being mostly gone parents have no idea what they're doing and their children turn our broken and annoying - I think that's what mostly kills satisfaction from parenting. Also, when all we have to look forward to is even less freedom and children having even worse lives than their parents, clearly procreation is just morally wrong and deep down people know it.
The cost of childcare has nothing to do with the birth rate. I can say that for certain since my country has free daycare, schools and financial support for parents.
Women still choose to study until 25 and work until 30 before desperately realizing that they want to have kids but now can't find a man that meets their inflated standards who also wants her.
That's to say: Our birth rate is still terrible.
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"You can have a fulfilling career/life and have kids"
"career/life"
Equating those things.....
Most people will never have a "career", They'll have a job. and that's fine, "careers" are for workaholic sociopaths. Just like politicians.
Jobs are for financing your life so you can do what makes normal people happy. Jobs don't have to suck, all corporate jobs do suck. "Real" jobs generally don't.