I discovered these Optimas when a friend bought one and asked me to sight it in with a scope. The third shot was dead center bullseye. I've since bought two. Being a New Hampshire resident, I always had TC's. These CVA's easily outshot my Encore with factory barrel. The key is the Bergara made barrels. Mine will consistently shoot clover leafs at 50 yards with.430 Hornady bullets and harvester sabots. 2 inches at 100 easily. At one time Bergara made barrels for the Encore. I bought one then and I've been getting the same kind of accuracy for over ten years with that barrel. These Optimas are the best value in black powder rifles.
That was a good honest review and sight in session sir. I have been building guns for 48 years now and every one of them will react different to a number of variables. Find that sweet load and the range you feel most confident with and do not deviate. You mentioned the most important thing about hunting… “can you hit a deer at 200 yards? Yea! Do you think it is 100% ethical? Probably not”. More “Hunter” need to ask themselves that question. I subscribed and thank for sharing
You'd get a lot better groups if you got rid of the powerbelts and went with one of the hornady saboted bullets. I thought the full bore powerbelts would shoot good but was surprised when I got way better groups with the hornady xtp 240 grain bullets. Tightest group at 100yds with the hornadys was an inch. Furthest kill with the optima v2 was 165 yds (hornady xtp 240gr + 100gr triple 7). Great video, I think with the right bullet you'll gain a bit more confidence in that gun's capabilities past 150. I love my optima v2!
i have the same gun. no problem out to 300 yards. 100 grains of white hot pellots and 295 grain power belt. zero @ 150. i've taken plenty of deer. never lost one. 2.5 high at 50 yards. 8 " drop @ 300.
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Thanks that helps I have the same muzzleloader I lined it up at only 50 yards but geussing if I aim a couple inch's high at 130 it should be alright then
From experience with a T/C Triumph that likes Hornady XTP 240 grain, I've taken deer out to 125 yrds with 100 grains of pyro pellets, and I think its about the limit for that setup on performance. I never could get good groups with 150 grain charges, and never had time to tinker with it. I think if I did loose powder, and went somewhere between 110 and 120 grains, and a 300 gr XTP, Id maybe go out to 150 yards depending on groups. I never tried BH 209 yet, but I hear its good. I picked up a optima in stainless nitride, a few yrs ago, and tried white hots in it. Not sure if its something to do with white hots, but VERY hard to get bullets pushed down after first shot. Not sure if its a residue it leaves compared to other powders, or something else up. Didn't have time to mess with it much, and its still a project for another time. Usually nitride is slicker and cleans easy, so not sure on if its a nitride thing, or not.
You said it has the Konus Pro Scope... Were you using the holdovers for each yardage? The main reticle is for 100 yard zero, did you use the subsequent holdover for 150 and 200?
Couple of ideas? I have the same rifle. I shoot 150 grains of triple seven, 245 grain aero tip Powerbelt , and white hot primers. Rule 1- use the pipe cleaner for pellets . The oils from your hands badly degrade the powder it touches. I brush the barrel and run a wet patch and two dry ones between shots. All this equals 2- 2 1/2 inch groups at 250 yards.
I've got that same gun in the LR version. Love mine with a good bullet it is very accurate. That is a good bullet, don't get me wrong and I've shot a lot of them, but as far as accuracy there are many better bullets out there. I haven't gotten to shoot mine a whole lot yet but the best accuracy I've gotten so far was with the Hornaday 250 grain SST. 100 grains of Tripple 7 Firestar pellets. (Three of them). I've shot a few rounds with four pellets, and I'm not sure the gain in recoil is worth the difference in velocity. Try that same test with the Hornaday or the Powerbelt ELR bullet and I think you'll be impressed with the gain in accuracy with them.
I can tell you what is going to happen if you keep shooting with that box of Pellets open and right next to the gun. I've already seen one video where the guy set a whole box off in his face. They won't blow up, but will make a very impressive fireball. At least close the lid. Other than that, very impressive shooting.
Did you readjust your horizontal crosshair after each distance adjustment? There's a guy on utube claiming to hit multiple times at 415 yards with a Traditions Tracker which is about the least expensive inline on the market with a 3+9 scope,and a 24 inch standard barrel,and I believe him. That rifle has been in production for quite a few years and for good reason, it's accurate! Your rifle should easily group at 200 yards with the right loads.
@thomasdalton7987 no dude modern muzzle loaders are shooting 2,500 fps. Times have changed they also have 1:28 twist now. At 700 yards got about 7 feet of dropshooting a 250 grain bullet at 2,400 fps
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I discovered these Optimas when a friend bought one and asked me to sight it in with a scope. The third shot was dead center bullseye. I've since bought two. Being a New Hampshire resident, I always had TC's. These CVA's easily outshot my Encore with factory barrel. The key is the Bergara made barrels. Mine will consistently shoot clover leafs at 50 yards with.430 Hornady bullets and harvester sabots. 2 inches at 100 easily. At one time Bergara made barrels for the Encore. I bought one then and I've been getting the same kind of accuracy for over ten years with that barrel. These Optimas are the best value in black powder rifles.
That was a good honest review and sight in session sir. I have been building guns for 48 years now and every one of them will react different to a number of variables. Find that sweet load and the range you feel most confident with and do not deviate. You mentioned the most important thing about hunting… “can you hit a deer at 200 yards? Yea! Do you think it is 100% ethical? Probably not”. More “Hunter” need to ask themselves that question. I subscribed and thank for sharing
You'd get a lot better groups if you got rid of the powerbelts and went with one of the hornady saboted bullets. I thought the full bore powerbelts would shoot good but was surprised when I got way better groups with the hornady xtp 240 grain bullets. Tightest group at 100yds with the hornadys was an inch. Furthest kill with the optima v2 was 165 yds (hornady xtp 240gr + 100gr triple 7). Great video, I think with the right bullet you'll gain a bit more confidence in that gun's capabilities past 150. I love my optima v2!
+1 for the 240gr XTP.
You had me at West Virginia. I grew up in Kingwood WV Preston County. Subscribed
i have the same gun. no problem out to 300 yards. 100 grains of white hot pellots and 295 grain power belt. zero @ 150. i've taken plenty of deer. never lost one. 2.5 high at 50 yards. 8 " drop @ 300.
Holy smokes. That's amazing
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still less accurate
@@unclejacksoutdoors728 I put 3 of the 340 grain Hornady Boredrivers in one hole at 100 yards. The picture is in the eBay ad.
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Thanks that helps I have the same muzzleloader I lined it up at only 50 yards but geussing if I aim a couple inch's high at 130 it should be alright then
From experience with a T/C Triumph that likes Hornady XTP 240 grain, I've taken deer out to 125 yrds with 100 grains of pyro pellets, and I think its about the limit for that setup on performance. I never could get good groups with 150 grain charges, and never had time to tinker with it. I think if I did loose powder, and went somewhere between 110 and 120 grains, and a 300 gr XTP, Id maybe go out to 150 yards depending on groups. I never tried BH 209 yet, but I hear its good. I picked up a optima in stainless nitride, a few yrs ago, and tried white hots in it. Not sure if its something to do with white hots, but VERY hard to get bullets pushed down after first shot. Not sure if its a residue it leaves compared to other powders, or something else up. Didn't have time to mess with it much, and its still a project for another time. Usually nitride is slicker and cleans easy, so not sure on if its a nitride thing, or not.
You are honest
Excellent info. Thanks for sharing.
You said it has the Konus Pro Scope... Were you using the holdovers for each yardage? The main reticle is for 100 yard zero, did you use the subsequent holdover for 150 and 200?
Great information Ty
Lost me at powerbelt and 150 grain charge
good video planning to get the same rifle . what it is A good load for this rifle
Get rid of the led sled, better groups without it. No need to clean bore after 3 shots, good way to get lousy groups.
now you need to use the same... but with powder! Cleaner firing, less mess and I wonder what the groups would be? Great video!
Thanks for watching Gunny
Couple of ideas?
I have the same rifle.
I shoot 150 grains of triple seven, 245 grain aero tip Powerbelt , and white hot primers.
Rule 1- use the pipe cleaner for pellets . The oils from your hands badly degrade the powder it touches.
I brush the barrel and run a wet patch and two dry ones between shots.
All this equals 2- 2 1/2 inch groups at 250 yards.
I've got that same gun in the LR version. Love mine with a good bullet it is very accurate. That is a good bullet, don't get me wrong and I've shot a lot of them, but as far as accuracy there are many better bullets out there. I haven't gotten to shoot mine a whole lot yet but the best accuracy I've gotten so far was with the Hornaday 250 grain SST. 100 grains of Tripple 7 Firestar pellets. (Three of them). I've shot a few rounds with four pellets, and I'm not sure the gain in recoil is worth the difference in velocity. Try that same test with the Hornaday or the Powerbelt ELR bullet and I think you'll be impressed with the gain in accuracy with them.
So you're shooting 150 grain?? 3 50 grain pellets?? Just curious ..just Bought same gun today trying to look around see good load to go with
My question would be do you hunt with this lead sled thing? If not why would you practice with this contraption?
Because he's trying to get the best group possible..
Did you keep it on the top crosshair each time or did you move down?
I've taken a few deer at 150 using a traditions vorteck with 150 grains powder and 270 gr sabot
Now very good
I can tell you what is going to happen if you keep shooting with that box of Pellets open and right next to the gun. I've already seen one video where the guy set a whole box off in his face. They won't blow up, but will make a very impressive fireball. At least close the lid. Other than that, very impressive shooting.
Good to know
Worse with a flinter and Holy Black nearby.
Did you readjust your horizontal crosshair after each distance adjustment? There's a guy on utube claiming to hit multiple times at 415 yards with a Traditions Tracker which is about the least expensive inline on the market with a 3+9 scope,and a 24 inch standard barrel,and I believe him. That rifle has been in production for quite a few years and for good reason, it's accurate! Your rifle should easily group at 200 yards with the right loads.
Top crosshair. Second for 200 yds
@@unclejacksoutdoors728 how likely could you kill an animal around the size of a large dog, at around 40-50 feet
Close the powder box before you shoot. It could ignite the whole thing.
I like a medium amount of risk.
Get you some Black Horn 209 - You can thank me later......
For sure.
I would to see you shot farther like 300 350 maybe 400 nobody tries i but I know it can be done good shooting
Why are u wearing a side arm?
Bears.
Because sissies like you dont
Why not? You never know what or who will creep up on you. WVA is a free State.
Bears?..very very rare a bear attack...black bear...is non aggressive...
@mainemonty 😂 You are clueless until it happens to you!! Trust me, I know from personal experience they can be aggressive.
Blackhorn 209 no cleaning for me in 15 shots.
Hpw many grains do you recommend? I have never tried it before!
@@Duhaubetahiks what bullet and what gun. I'm running a 300grn T/C Shockwave with 85grns by weight of blackhorn 209. It's a thump.
@@Duhaubetahiks start with 70grns by weight.
It's a 750 yard rifle all day
Yeah buddy 😂...what's that hold over 30 or 40 ft
@thomasdalton7987 no dude modern muzzle loaders are shooting 2,500 fps. Times have changed they also have 1:28 twist now. At 700 yards got about 7 feet of dropshooting a 250 grain bullet at 2,400 fps
@thomasdalton7987 do some research if your not up to date, cause cva garuntees their optimal muzzle loader to shoot sub moa groups at 800 yards
@thomasdalton7987 cva optima imean
@thomasdalton7987 modern muzzle loaders are shooting 50 bmg balistics at insane ranges youtube it