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Wonderkid Development: Testing Loan vs Squad Role - FM23 Experiment
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- Опубликовано: 7 апр 2023
- Developing your wonderkids is one of the best things in FM23. But what is best for their development: Loaning them out or keeping them as a rotational option? In this video, I discuss a small experiment trying to find out how you can improve your FM23 wonderkids the most!
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Interesting. From my personal experience playing I do notice that vast majority of players I loan out don't really develop much based on progress graph. Maybe 10-20% of them show any noticable growth. On the other hand most of my rotation guys progress at least somewhat. I thought it had more to do with selection bias as I tend to keep the best prospects around.
I recognize the feeling, and it was exactly what compelled me to make this video!
it really matters a lot about when you sub them on if you sub them on after 70mins it actually nerfs their development speed - always sub them on around 45-65mins, they will develop much more than being on loan with this change
Yeah definitely agree, if you're going to give them game time it has to be significant game time!
It has to be before 75 minutes as 15 minutes gives you a match rating
@@ShaneyYbohh match rating doesn't mean they get good development, testing shows that between 45-65mins gives a far higher rate of development than at 70+
@@garethsmith5102 Nice to know! Is there a guide that explains the reason for this? I’d love to have a read!
the drastic differences might also have something to do with quality of play, if i loaned people to clubs in similar leagues they have been developing way better than guys i loaned to second division clubs
Definitely agree with that! I think you're findings combined with the video shows that quality of play is much more important for development compared to just playing time!
Brilliant! Been wondering this for the longest time!
I'm so glad the algorithm had this pop up my feed. You now have a loyal subscriber who will be following every video.
I've grown up playing FM watching the likes of GoldenFM, WorkTheSpace, lollujo and DrBenjy. Honorable mention to FoxintheBox who slayed in the brief period he was making videos.
Your video content is pretty much on par, with some better camera quality and editing you'll be touching the top echelon of FM content creators my man!
P.S. - Could you also link the tactic in the video description? I'm genuinely curious and would be a nice nod to the creator as well.
Honestly, you made my day with this comment. Such amazingly kind words! Welcome aboard!
You listed some amazing creators, all of them on my regular watchlist as well. They're all great inspiration for me to improve my videos!
The camera is something I'm hoping to invest in and improve somewhere in the not so distant future. And if you've got some feedback points on the editing, I'd love to hear it!
Great reminder about linking the tactic. I'll make sure that whenever I use a specific tactic in a video, I'll link it in the description. Here's the one I used for this video: beta.fm-base.co.uk/tactics/23.1.0/4231-simple-positive-headache-v2-612132-7370
I have had mixed results this year on FM23. Some loans seem to have led to no development, others have been exceptional!
What's been your most succesful loan deal this year?
Cool video mate. Nice flow and editing. Cheers!
Thanks man, really appreciate it!
Nice content as always, my friend ! In my personal experience loans are good experiences only if the player will be a regular starter and the league is at least "good".
Can't agree with you more personally, and the results in the video seem to confirm it as well!
Thanks, great video. You just confirmed my suspicions.
I have a team full of wonderkids so I cant play them all. I been monitoring a player I loaned out to a championship side who is scoring for fun but has had no substantial growth in 5 months of him being at that club.
Yeah, it's difficult. You would've expected Championship loans to do more for development. Loans to foreign top leagues certainly became much more valuable to me!
Fun to hear about your team full of wonderkids! Who are you most excited about in your team?
@@coachroan I am in my second year iof prem with my Blackburn rovers side and I already bought Guler, Endrick, Kaiky... Even managed to snatch up xavi Simons but I got this other Brazilian striker name Roque he has some of the best finishing I seen, looking forward to seeing him develop.
@@trialzeez8742 Some of my favourite players you mentioned there! Guler especially is such a gem, becomes one of the best 10s in the world! And Vitor Roque is a quality striker, deadly in front of goal.
Developing and giving game time to such a team of wonderkids can become a bit tricky, but once you get it right you get a team of superstars in return!
@@coachroan yeah true under normal circumstances I wouldn't be able to play them all together. I was struggling to play a 4-2-3-1 but went to get a formation online and now my team is insanely good, we struggle against the top 6 but everyone else is fair game when we play at home, we should have the title in 2 more seasons😅
@@trialzeez8742 ooh that sounds good! What kind of tactic did you find? Always looking to study the best tactics in the game!
Makes a big difference if you’ve loaded the league you are loaning out to or if it’s passive.
I completely agree! Both the Premier League and the Championship were fully loaded in the database as playable for this experiment to make sure that the games for both versions of the player are fully simulated
Fun fact, according to one of Zealands video where they did various experiments, apparently its BETTER for the player to be loaned out to a non-loaded league.
@@alexx3847 Saw the video, and was really surprised by that result. Thought about it for a while, and the only reason I can come up with why non-loaded leagues would produce better results are guaranteed non injuries, and probably FM compensating their development for not playing any games a bit too much. But those are just speculations, no idea why it's actually like that!
@@coachroanIt's also possible that they're getting given game development, but not getting hit with fatigue from games- so they get more training.
@@rich63113 That's actually a really good shout, hadn't thought of that!
Be worthwhile seeing what the difference is if you loan them out to good teams in good leagues. Benfica and Dortmund seem to be in for my wonderkid loans all the time. Now I know these are great clubs for developing players in real life so I have no qualms in letting them go there. But I have no idea if they would be better off staying with me (and tbh I'm hoping you find out!). Cheers!
I think with clubs of that quality it really comes down to playing time. Can you give your youngsters some real game time? Then always keep them. If not, there's probably nowhere better to go than Benfica or Dortmund
I think the reputation of the league also determines how much improvement a player gets. Let's say your wonderkid is having a loan offers from two different clubs, choose a club that plays in a league with better reputation first, before deciding which club is higher in media prediction.
I completely agree. It's all about the quality of football your youngster will get, so the higher the reputation of the league he'll be joining the better!
Rather surprising outcome😮 but I just love loaning out my u18 striker to the 3rd moldavian league where he becomes topscorer😊
Yeah didn't expect these results myself. And hey I can't blame you, it's so satisfying to see your youngster light up a league on loan! It's just the question now if that is the really the best thing for his development
I assume that the quality of the coaching staff might play a part? Top league coaching is probably way better than lower leagues, plus we tend to try to get the best coaching staff in our league too
I imagine coaching staff certainly plays a big part. The Championship club I used in the video do have top tier facilities and have a pretty decent coaching staff, as I wanted to give them the best possible environment to develop in. But it's definitely not the same as at top level teams
My favorite wonderkid is definitely Rasmus Hojlund! He became a goal-scoring machine in my squad
What a revelation he has been this year, both in real life and in the game! Which did you sign him with?
@@coachroan At Burnley, won the Premier League and reached Champions League final using RDF's 4-2-3-1, with Julian Brandt and Kerkez (Hungarian Wonderkid)!
@@be7655 Love seeing Kerkez in there, huge player for AZ this season! Winning the PL with Burnley is one heck of an achievement, respect my friend!
This is fascinating!
Love to hear that you found it interesting my friend!
Good video, earned my sub!
Lovely to hear that you enjoyed the video, and welcome aboard!
Training facilities matter a lot of here, together with staff quality. Still, a surprising outcome nevertheless. Especially on the Diomande doppelgänger.
If you take Ajax for example. With a bit of effort you can have Jong Ajax become champions and basically become the best team in the KKD. And they make use of the best facilities NL has to offer. I hardly ever loan out players with Ajax, only if I have a surplus of a certain position so they lack playtime. Crazy development like that. With other clubs it's much harder, especially in Spain. The B teams suck and cannot be managed by yourself.
Loaning out in the same league to a club with great facilities on atleast regular starter, is a thing I consider a good move. The league must be playable aswell, otherwise I don't bother. Redundant players who I cannot sell, any club will do, especially if I can sabotage their carreer :)
I fully agree with training facilities playing a huge part in this, which I tried to incorporate in the experiment by sending the players out on loan to teams with some of the best facilities in the Championship.
Jong Ajax can definitely be an OP team in the KKD, still feels a bit weird to have the Jong teams in the second division here in the NL!
Love to hear that slightly evil twist of sabotaging some players that just won't leave! What's your best story on destroying someone's career in FM?
@@coachroan Unsure which player, but 2 full years of no matches and max resting so basically no football for 2 years.
And also with a 2 player save in FM21, I loaned Xavi Simons for free and offered him a contract. But my friend did aswell and he picked his side. Xavi did not even train those 6 months.
@@whothehellishooch Now that's how you take down a player in FM! As a PSV fan, it does hurt a bit to hear that Xavi Simons fell prey to the no training treatment
Another good video 👍
Thanks for the kind words my friend!
Great insight.
Good to see that you found it useful my friend!
@@coachroan So far, I've always let the wonderkids stay at the club so they can be homegrown clubs. And with your eksperimental data, I'm even more convinced not to lend them 😁
@@kajianislamina That homegrown at the club status can be incredibly valuable!
So.. should i loan or keep him in the squad?
Can you give them any noteworthy game time in your squad? Keep them
Are they not going to feature in your squad at all? Loan them out if they are 18 years or older
Hey there Coach Roan. That was very instructive! The kind of videos that makes you want to start the game right now! :D
Maybe a collab with deep divers such as www.youtube.com/@StybbGaming/ and www.youtube.com/@ebfm would bring hard facts and even greater content for us all?
Cheers
Thanks for the kind words my friend! Glad the video inspired you to get playing! Let me know which save you'll be playing.
Those are some awesome creators you mentioned, both I would love to collaberate with at some point! No clue if they would be interested in working together though
Feels like we still got the relevant info, but why go 14 years on this? Who keeps a guy around that long?
At least give us the update of where they stand after 5 years, because dude is getting sold long before then if he isn't showing development.
Feels like 18-21 are the loan years. Maybe 23 if it's a guy you're really attached to.
Ah I might not have been clear enough in the video. I didn't simulate 14 consecutive simulations for the players, I simulated the first season 14 times to get an average across those 14 simulations of the first season. I definitely agree that no player will be loaned out for 14 years straight. This set-up was used to recreate a realistic situation, namely a young player who gets loaned out for a season to see how he develops.
How about send them out to La liga or Serie A instead of championleague, for better game I guess.
I completely agree, and at the end of the video I came to the same conclusion! If you want to loan out your youngsters, it is best to loan them out to a competition as close to the level of your own league as possible
@@coachroan In reality those loans are hard to come by, you need to be at a very high level already before clubs from top5 leagues will ask to loan your players
@@Draddar True, it can be challenging to find a top level loan. You can always try and get an overseas affiliate club at a top level for loans!
@@coachroan I have a serie a club on football manager mobile just for affiliate loans, I have an entire xi I send out yearly there 😂
@@mxsthxted An overseas B team, I like it!