The reliance on the breakdown to be the conclusion is what makes it so "tired". Everyone does it to put an exclamation point on EVERY song. Using them sparingly is what makes them interesting!
I sometimes go back to Parkway Drive's Horizon album and their breakdowns hit harder than any modern deathcore band's breakdowns and Parkway Drive is a metalcore band. The songwriting, everything before and after the breakdown or the buildup towards it is simply better done.
You know what annoys me the most? When the song is a soft pop song all the way through but there's a break down. It's like they want to go be accessible pop bands but put in a breakdown so they can keep their metal street cred.
Oh GAWD, I am sick to fucking death of breakdowns. It became a meme, people pretend to like it because everybody else pretends to like it. Now every friggin core-adjacent song has 30 seconds worth of monochord, slowchugged garbage where the bridge or solo should be. Todays breakdowns are the banal, rote, pentatonic yawns that solos became during the hair band surge. They took something cool and interesting, and wrang every last drop of interest out of it. There are still bands who do epic breakdowns worth listening to, ("The Poetic Edda" springs to mind) but yeah, I wouldn't mind if breakdowns just fell off entirely for a while.
@@heavymetalphilosophy John, you managed to touch on the topic of widespread photocopying of ideas in musical genres. Viral, just like the MTV playlist in the past, is very conducive to this, although (as you rightly noticed) it does not result in any artistic breakthrough, but it also does not result in any funding. However, the life of a musician is a separate topic, which I deigned to discuss in the last message to you under the previous video. I won't comment on fitness because I don't have the time or inclination to follow this community. I don't eat meat, I eat very healthily, I have a delicate figure and as a forty-year-old boomer... I still look like a teenager. I'm not exaggerating, young people still call me "Bro"... which is not as common in Europe as in the USA. I don't miss muscle music any more than I miss glam metal (well, maybe with a few exceptions). I like Lorna Shore very much and I think that the next album will be crucial for the band's future. Ramos is an outstanding vocalist who has a great band behind him... their possibilities are almost limitless... in terms of aesthetics and even the musical genres they can combine. Will they decide to do so? I'd love to, but we'll see how it goes with them. I confirm, Vailed is an interesting band worth following. Slaughter to Prevail it's too macho and I don't like this style, but I appreciate their technical capabilities. Your comparisons are accurate, although viral trends do not change from month to month, but probably from day to day. I don't know, I don't know much about it, although I also deal with music. mainly writing books :)
They are the true forefathers... Modern era can't even get close to what we had in the early 90's MORBID ANGEL in particular.....Carcass Heartwork opened the gate... I'm curious to know your favourite Morbid album was... Definately no wrong answers 🤘🔥🤘
"Cutie pie Will Ramos". 😂 For real though, I just went to a Lorna Shore/Whitechapel show and saw more women there than I usually see at metal shows. I was happy to see it!
Most men are too soft to be able to truly enjoy Metal, especially the vocals. They can't comprehend the beauty of brutal vocals. So, is it any surprise that the majority of the women you saw had to be posers just looking for some attention or a boyfriend? The way the women of every Metal scene have always been, minus 2% and the rest are really just Guns and Roses fans or not even into Rock based music, but can sure dress and play the part for a night to get some sausage.
My dude. You are blunt without being arrogant or excessively reductive, and you somehow also sound conversational, well-versed and chill as hell. Immediate subscription from me. (Also, your comment about girls in metal was lol-worthy.) Stay dope, fellow metal head!
right now there’s an underground scene of kids doing the early 2000s deathcore and metalcore sound and honestly it feels so good for it to make a comeback in that way, good refs for both is katywentmissing, rev3rent, balmora, since my beloved, six shots in Dallas, girl of glass, xaogcx, killing me softly like there’s so much shit going on in so many local scenes and I feel like the current hardcore scene is what’s giving real deathcore and real metalcore the respect it deserves
Thanks for this comment. I had a feeling this was happening. I came across On Solid Ground the other day on bandcamp and tricked myself into thinking it was released this year and not 2007. Hahahah ..
As a massive deathcore and metalcore guy, fully agree on the takes with the deathcore stuff. I feel like more than half the time a really heavy breakdown tries to cover up bad songwriting. Like the whole thing is centered around the breakdown. I got tired of it and now reverted to much more melodic deathcore and symphonic stuff again. Lorna, Worm Shepherd, Shadow of Intent etc. fucking love that shit. I look for new music all the time and whenever I see deathcore now it's just a few chugs and a breakdown made for a tiktok reaction or some shit.
Yesssss. Fully agree. The bands you mentioned def have some elements that remind me of black metal I listened to in high school. I can’t stand the bands that basically play pure pop with breakdowns. Some are good but most are just bad/formulaic writing
"half the time a really heavy breakdown tries to cover up bad songwriting" makes me think of some Facebook comment section on a post about core/breakdowns I saw the other day. There were multiple people saying something in the line of "The breakdown is the best part, much better than the boring fast bits" which is just another way of saying you listen to shitty bands who can't write riffs.
@vergilsonofsparda341 bro is music yours? Or are breakdowns just your thing? Cause we shouldn't have to sit through a lazy ass song just for a breakdown that's just derivative of all the other breakdowns
Hahaha 💯 I went to a Primus show once and it was tremendous fun... But it was all dudes. Smelled like dude sweat in there so bad. Worse than a death metal show.
@@heavymetalphilosophy it's funny how the male brain works in an environment like that. It's like when I visit my mom in the retirement community - if I see a single woman who's not 85, my brain goes MATE WITH HER QUICKLY even though she's our waitress at Denny's. When I saw a girl at a Rush show, I had the same visceral reaction ;)
@@alexr6913 “babe” you’re weird first off, and idc they’re still so amazing and better than most artists out there so yeah they are underrated. go cry and cope somewhere else
I never thought of Vildhjarta, Mirar, or Humanity’s Last Breath as deathcore before… that’s an interesting perspective… To me these Thall bands were offshoots of Djent and basically made more gnarly Meshuggah riffs that are also more mathy, much slower, acrobatic pitch shifting, and with a blackened sense of atmosphere
Vildhjarta is absolutely not deathcore at all 😂💀 U might as well say Meshuggah is deathcore then. This is what i hate about fans of this stuff they never make any sense especially when it comes to genre labels
Lol. This trend should never have existed. There's a reason why Meshuggah never made a second Nothing or Catch 33 for example. Those albums are great and revolutionary, and didn't need any copying
I'm your age or possibly a little older but breakdowns have been in every damn "core" song since 1999. It's been 25 years and they are still going strong.
@@Tjhx1138 My point wasn't whether or not I like the use of the breakdowns. My point was they are still in song after song. It's gotten to the point that breakdowns are what people think makes the subgenre "core".
@@shredenvain7I used to love breakdowns but Deathcore has caused me to start to hate them because they're over used. Also breakdowns have just gotten lazy. They don't even try to write a riff anymore. They just chug really slow and go Bluuuughh. It's boring
@@Gregbaltzer I'm not disagreeing one bit. I personally am into Floridian death metal and technical death metal but I do like some deathcore bands like Whitechapel especially their earlier stuff and their newest stuff. Shadow of intent is really good as well. That said half time grooves which is what a breakdown really is aren't property of deathcore and aren't going anywhere. If you don't like them that's fine but you could say the exact same thing about blast beats being over saturated in extreme metal period.
This video randomly came up after never watching any of your stuff before. Really enjoyed your perspective, cool video, will be binging all your stuff!
Spot on. The 80s guitar solo thing, when I went to shows in the 80's and whomever would start a guitar solo is when I would go to the bathroom or get a drink.
@@heavymetalphilosophy Bro women at metal concerts in the 80's was rare, did have a couple girls in high school who liked the hair metal bands, but like you said in your video now there are quite a few women, still none I know want to go, the woman or the kids, but I'm happy women are there now, even have some young women hit on me.
love that you namedropped vildhjarta, mirar and hlb as the future. especially vildhjarta who have been doing their own thing for almost 15 years with their current "formula", not following any trends and just being their own weird self. my favorite band of all time for sure, with their signature sound but always surprising elements!
@@Grisu. i admit that the new hlb record is a bit over the top at times, but i still enjoyed it. the self-titled and abyssal are more of my jam. thankfully the mix on newer vildhjarta is a lot more toned down and neutral in comparison which suits that style better anyways. i think he is a very good addition to the band nonetheless.
@@notreally-sf3dfI think he just doesn't like that it's "overproduced" I think rawer production overproduction have their places, and I really like how Buster "overproduced" their last album. Probably an acquired taste.
@@XueYlva Sure, none of that is the mixing, it's the whole concept behind the composition and everything involved in it. It isn't just "mix like an edm producer". It's a pet peeve of mine, people thinking it's just the mix.
In flames is touring next year, I think. They hired Chris Broderick to play for them. Hopefully it'll work out, I like Chris as a guitar player but it would be nice to see him stick with a band for a while again.
Wow, as i saw the thumbnail my first thougt was „oh no not again a back-in-the-days-everything-was-better-video“. instead the video was and no ragebait at all, but differentiated and full of excitement for future innovations. 😊 thank you, i liked that very much! I came across this channel by chance, now i‘ll stay
So glad you said that Lorna shore is so much more than just pig squeals, I agree that “too the hellfire” was more of a stunt to show Will’s range and almost a gateway into the genre for some. But Take Pain remains 1 for instance, not 1 breakdown but very melodic along with a killer guitar solo. We as metalheads get to sub genre based. Enjoy good music for the music alone.
Crossover thrash was the seed of metalcore and deathcore. There's a very clear line from Suicidal Tendencies, Cro-Mags, DRI, Leeway etc. to everything else that followed through the 90's and 00's. And crossover was also hated by purists on both the hardcore and metal sides during its time and has only been largely respected retrospectively.
I've always been the only chick I know that likes heavy music. UNTIL "that cuitie pie, Will Ramos" (as you put it and you are correct) came around. You know how many of my friends are listening to heavy music now just because I showed them a pic and interview of him? Suddenly their minds are way more open to listening to all kinds of metal. Soon...I'll get them to love Darko US as much as I do 🖤
Another great conversation! So, I'm a certified personal trainer (not my main job) and you are spot on with the Insta trainer malarkey because it sounds more exotic to have a reason why getting in shape is difficult and they're the only information source to obtain that. Very wrong, it's showing up and having a plan and applying progressive overload with a balanced diet, but that's boring and entrusts the responsibility to the individual. Anyway, we have entered the age of music created for RUclips reactions versus making quality songs that serve the songs. It's personal bias, sure, but let's be honest, the quality has diminished in many of these bands and if you're a metal fan, you can hear it.
I wonder what the ratio is though. There have always been trends and copycat bands. Every thrift store is filled with vinyl from forgotten copycat bands. But today we actually see the copycat bands thanks to the Internet. I believe you're right... I just wonder what the mathematical distance is.
@@heavymetalphilosophy I think there are far more bands toiling away doing their own thing than bands that are creating for views. For example, my band Krigsgrav has been around for 20 years and we will be there for years to come. I can stand behind that because I know our goals, philosophies, etc. If you create art for someone/thing else built on a weak base of mass acceptance or popularity I don't believe you'll weather the storm for the long term.
you are well spoken, thoughtful, and just seem like a super solid/rad/chill dude. glad i stumbled onto your channel even tho i stopped listening to metal in highschool, your commentary brought up major nostalgia vibes and made me smile. good job dude. keep these introspective comparitives coming!
I was in a death core band in high school in 2007 Plague of Mortality and we had one guy Jesse with that hair do. Love death core love extreme music oh yeah we had a myspace for our band so it's cool to know that you came from the same era. Hail from VT
Awesome channel. Excellent breakdown as always. Sounds like me at the dinner table with the wife and my 2 Daughters explaining my views on metal and music in general but they shut me down straight away with eye rolls.
@@heavymetalphilosophy 😅For me, the next Thanos is already here, and it’s Dickie Allen. As far back as I can remember, I think he was the first to start doing those ultra-guttural vocals that now everyone in modern deathcore, like Lorna Shore, Mental Cruelty, and others, is using. But when he started, it was almost like a joke-now, they’re all competing to see who can make the most demonic sound. And it’s getting a bit ridiculous.”
I like my breakdowns like i like my mental breakdowns.... S C R E A M I N G I N T E N S E L Y but also, we need more guinea pig squeals in deathcore!! 😂
I was not having the modern core music but it kinda grew on me. The best thing out of it is my wife is into it and i can listen to heavier music and not get complaining. She is even getting into the slighly heavier bands than the bad omens. Life is good for me if i have great company to go see shows.
I think metalcore as a genre has evolved so far beyond it's post-hardcore/emo/hardcore roots that it would be unrecognizable as metalcore to somebody from the early 2000's. That's a good thing, imo. In fact, it's evolved so far that it's beginning to split off into several distinct metalcore subgenres as well. In general, I think it's one of the most accessible metal genres for non-metalheads to pick up. People who wouldn't look twice at Infant Annihilator are suddenly gushing about Sleep Token and Bad Omens. Metal's in a very good place right now, and I think all those "snotty little core kids" that Reddit complains about are due some gratitude. Metalcore revitalized a stagnant genre of music, and brought some great new sounds and a legion of newly minted fans with it.
@@DeletiriumI actually think Metalcore and Deathcore has "killed" Metal in it's traditional sense. I'm not a hater, I grew up 20 years ago with a ton of traditional heavy metal, Thrash, Speed, Power, Death Metal etc. etc., and eventually started to get into metalcore and deathcore 10 years ago. but Metal without the "core" has been dead for almost 20 years. this neither a bad or good thing. it just means that Metal has to come up with something new or have an exciting revival, and until then, it is replaced with metalcore and deathcore, and all the other far evolved "core" genres. Whatever the fuck Hardcore Punk did to "breakdowns" ended up being such a ridiculously versatile element that it is no longer just "the bridge" and has been reinvented so many times that we lost the Hardcore influence it used to have. The breakdown has become the verses lmfao. Which don't get me wrong, that's basically what Vildhjarta is doing even though some people don't want to admit that they got their breakdowns from Hardcore, but just evolved the ever living shit out of it into something new.
even Technical Death Metal bands like First Fragment that have 80s shred solos and are NOT Deathcore technically still have breakdowns in it that somewhat resemble Hardcore breakdowns, but their weird ass spin was to call them "Swingdowns" because it's got that funny swung-rhythm for a breakdown. They've somehow avoided the modern core breakdown sound and went to a more traditional breakdown, while still being recognizable as filling the role of a modern breakdown. It seems like the only way forward is for these bands to keep evolving as much as they want to, even if it means forgetting the roots of it all, which I don't like, but it's where we're headed and it could lead to new innovations. The revival of the "Old School Deathcore" sound did happen though and it's pretty cool.
One era sounds like real guitars and the newer stuff is so wildly produced and over-the-top. The reason this has happened, is like everything else, it gets more and more extreme at certain 'edges' and eventually hardly resembles its former-self.
I don't agree with everything you said here, but this was a well thought out video and thanks for putting this out there. It's a conversation we need to have
Metalcore with the melo death riffs that they took from the Gothenburg sound was always the best for that genre. Lots of unique styles that different bands added to that sound. Glad it’s making a comeback
I come from the older days of metal and for sure, I see what you have been seeing, and I agree with you. I just can't get into some of the newer metal that is around nowadays.
I mean, Dying Fetus is the OG deathcore band. Only, it was called "slam death." Then some emo kids dumbed it down and now we have what we all know as "deathcore."
I think this is not only a deathcore problem, this happens with every genre of metal or music in general, every new trend is cool until is flooded by many copycats, so bands start doing something different or returning to a traditional sound and that becomes the new trend, then the cycle repeats.
I remember discovering Children of Bodom on MySpace when I was a teen….. helped me get away from weird deathcore stuff that was coming out at the time. 20 years later and I’m still metalhead 😊 maybe I’m one of those rare women that truly loves old school thrash and death metal lol
Man, my main thing is just the huge disconnect between modern metalcore and deathcore and every other subgenre of metal, like more often than not when you talk to these core kids or core influencers they have no real knowledge or interest in anything outside of metalcore or deathcore, and even talk about it in a dismissive tone. They treat it as if it's a thing of the past and not worth their time, when most of those bands were the inspirations for the bands their listening too now, and are still going strong today. They never even try to relate to, or even really respect, any of the other genres, and then wonder why the divide between them and more traditional metal fans keeps widening. Plus it feels like all the big name, hyper successful modern metalcore bands mainly make their songs with wayyy more pop elements than metal elements. Look at bands like ERRA, Bad Omens, and modern Architects, and it feels like i'm listening to a pop song with breakdowns.
This is all even more apparent how every time a scene band introduces a single new element, it's literally memed to death like it's the greatest new thing. Point in case, this obnoxious "blegh" shit. These tourists are obsessed with something that has been in metal for literal decades. There was no name for it. There was no super cool inside jokes to let everyone know you were part of the "metal club." It was just part of the music.
I feel this super hard. But for some fucking reason they want to be acknowledged as metal heads but get upset when faced with metal elitism and gatekeeping but on the same coin absolutely fucking refuse to listen to any other forms of metal that said elitists listen to especially the shit that laid all the ground work for these new shiny bands to exist. Like what you like but don't get upset when someone says you ain't metal if you won't fucking listen it! I don't see emos and pop punk fans getting upset when people don't refer to them as Punks!!!!
Yep, I saw it as a teen in the 2000's and already being an old many yelling at cloud deep inside. The metalcore fans back then (I think Deathcore was only a thing later) having and not wanting to have any knowledge whatsoever about traditional metal (extreme metal being included in this umbrella). I've been to strange mashups like Underoath opening for Dimmu Borgir in the mid 2000's in what used to be Nokia Theatre in NYC. All the underoath metalcore mall kids left as soon as the band left and Dimmu Borgir was coming, then more actual metal fans came in and more than half the audience completely changed in a few minutes. It's even worse online, all these youtube influencers and talking about "modern metal" and they just mean these couple of sub-genres. Also, a lot of celebrity-type gossip going on with these bands ALL THE TIME! and they always complain about elitists, it's weird.
@@heavymetalphilosophy it's not even that i have a problem with the music or the band themselves even if i dont care for their music, it's just the fans being like "THIS IS METAL!!!!1!!! THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S METAL EVER" when the music their pushing as "The Face Of Metal" Feels like it doesnt even have much metal in it.
Doesn't matter if it's trendy or instragamable or so. As long as you loving the music you listen to. I loved earliest deathcore and metalcore and I love modern version of them as well.
I'm not new to metal, but Deathcore was new to me when I learned about it at the beginning of this year and I was surprised to not hear you mention any of the groups that got me into it! Other than Lorna Shore, that's a given though. Pain Remains is such a good album. The band that I was most excited about initially was Disembodied Tyrant. The Poetic Edda was unlike anything I had ever heard before and was what hooked me, The band that kept me moving down the deathcore rabbit hole on the other hand, was Enterprise Earth. I really liked The Chosen but when Death: An Anthology dropped was when I feel they became "more than Deathcore", that album is insanely good. I think my only complaint is that it loses some of the tropes of Deathcore like inhuman drumming, if that's more what you're looking for, I would check out what Mental Cruelty is doing, especially Zwielicht/Symphony of a Dying Star, that song (really the whole album is good, but that part is REALLY good) I also enjoyed Purgatorium. . If you want something that's more heavy than the above, I would check out Vulvodynia's new album, I don't really fw their old stuff though since learning about their previous vocalist trying to kill the drummer though, which honestly is fine musically too, their new vocalist is better. Inferi is the last one that I'll mention only because I feel bad not mentioning how good they are musically. They don't have any gimmick other than having the most consistently good guitar parts, which is why I mention, because Vile Genesis may not have much in the way of breakdowns, but the guitars go insane, every song on Vile Genesis has a guitar hook that sticks with me.
I’m not a fan of any of this stuff (I grew up with OG first wave metalcore and I respect the original deathcore bands), but I appreciate the history breakdown. You might be right with your prediction. Also, you’re completely spot on with fitness influencers. A good routine is everything. I’m glad somebody is saying it.
Such a great video. I love hearing you talk about such real topics. You aren’t saying stuff out of your ass, there’s real merit in all of your points and you’re bringing up things that I hadn’t noticed but now I won’t be able to stop thinking about it 👍
Of course. I also didn't claim that. It would be moronic strategy if chics were someone's sole aim and they chose to get into metal. With that said, a show with a few girls in the audience is better than none.
You should take a look at the underground deathcore scene that blew up this year, commonly referred to as revival core because bands are going for more of that early MySpace sound rather than this weird direction that mainstream deathcore it at
I agree on absolutely every single aspect, being a Modern Deathcore and Modern Metalcore fan myself. Here are my recommendations if you want to listen to something a little less tired For Deathcore: SIX ATL, Sold Soul, Shrine of Malice, Thorns of Eleanore, Synestia, Disembodied Tyrant, Casketmaker For Metalcore: Before I Turn, 156/Silence, Darknet, Atena
Aren't Shrine of Malice from Germany? I remember interviewing them years ago. Their very first stuff was okay, but then I Remember them just become very generic Slamming Death Metal with their drums going from natural in their early stuff, to the usual fake drums when they went full Slam? No idea what they sound like now, but don't have much faith in the Modern bands coming out of Germany, sadly. Their Black Metal and Death Metal bands can be outstanding, though.
Yo its so cool seeing you shoutout veiled as their bassist is someone who produces music for my band deathcore band FRACTURE. insanely talented dudes and were doing a gigwith them this week to celebrate their new album launch!
Back in 2006 I used to adore Ed Butcher's vocals for I Killed The Prom Queen and Casey Calvert's screams for Hawthorne Heights. But as you age, you want more than top notch growls, breakdowns and wild riffs. You want quality songs.
Absolutely adore I killed the prom queen and with now being much older I might be wrong but I’ll always say even with the og bands like killswitch that so many metalcore bands ripped off I killed the prom queens music for the recently deceased for years and years after like hell even my MySpace name was inspired by prom queens song like nails to a casket they were so pivotal for me.
@@EncoreASMR definitely didn’t expect seans passing at all but then again when would you but definitely rest in peace. What I heard I may be wrong was because ed travelled to be with prom queen in Australia he got really homesick and quit and came back to the uk and got a normal job. You may already know but check out Ed’s previous bands stuff before prom queen poached him. The hunt for Ida wave and eternal lord
@@heavymetalphilosophy Dude, it gets ridiculous.... probably 15 years ago, I was in a bar in Austin, hanging out with some chick and Billy Milano... he was a bartender there, I went to get a beer and the staff wouldn't serve me... she said "oh its past last call" (It was 30 minutes until last call) I came back sat down, Billy asked "Where's your beer? Bartender said it was past last call... Billy stands up said "fucking bullshit," goes behind the bar grabs a beer, slams down in front of me... he said "Here you go bro!" Called his coworkers cocksuckas or something and we continued our conversation... we were pretty sure it was because I was wearing a suit... totally unacceptable to those hardcore kids working there... don't know if that really applies but the talk of posers made me think of that story.... 🤘😁🤙Billy's an awesome dude!
Yeah and it will always be there. There will always be subgenres that are seen as "not real metal" and metal will never be without elitists. I mean I think core is just awful, can't understand how anyone would like regularly hear breakdowns, don't like the riffs generally and with metalcore I just really don't get it. Both of those just make me think you are listening to music that has better versions of everything available in other genres. But also who gives a shit if you like something, I know people say the same about black metal and I love it. Even some deathcore fans say the same about death metal. I won't go around saying it isn't real metal.
I think your analysis was spot on man. You were in college during the Suicide Silence / Whitechapel early days while I was in middle school, Whitechapel being my first metal show when I was 12 years old, and my favorite band at that time. I totally agree with your evolution of the genre. It's pretty much unrecognizable from those times. When someone who's into deathcore today talks to me about it, we are talking about two very different things.
To be fair, in the 2000s you also have deathcore bands that were releasing tracks that were just breakdowns. Which was an evolution of them having breakdowns in pretty much every song. One that comes to mind is Impending Doom, can't remember the album but that opening track is just a breakdown. But man it got you.
The very first Impending Doom full-length will go down in History as being one of the heaviest productions ever recorded and all note for note. I never got a response from the band, as they are one of the few bands who just don't or at least didn't have any personal social media you could just interview them on, like almost every other band, but from what I know, that album has zero fake sound on it. All flesh and bone musicianship.
14:30 i had this same conversation with my art teacher in highschool :) When i only drew manga/anime, he asked if i knew why the greatest manga artists were thaf good, and when i replied "they have talent?" He said: " no! They know the fundamentals, and after masterinf the fundamentals of art, they used this to create manga/anime."
“There’s only so many times you can hear two hand tapping or somebody whammy bar dive bombing before you’re not impressed anymore” Exactly the reason I was never overly impressed with Steve Vai, Joe Satriani or Yngwie Malmsteen. It just gets old after 3 or 4 songs.
I genre hop within the overall sphere of metal a lot becuase of how "samey" a lot of it sounds over time if i stick to a genre too long. Is why i appreciate bands like Opeth, Mastodon , Inflames and others I'm sure I'm forgetting. Even if I don't always like the changed, I appreciate that there is a change over the years.
Slaughter to Prevail has been chasing trends since their first day - Alex will do anything for attention and it has been very effective for their brand (after ten years). Also, were not headed to a future with no breakdowns, we're in a future where the entire song is a breakdown. The question is whether that's sustainable - I would assume not.
Just introduced to this channel with this video, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Liked and subscribed. I'm from the same era and everything you touched on resonated with me.
there is actually a lot of community in the post-covid hardcore scene, it's just not between the bands on tiktok. it's between bands like Peelingflesh, Snuffed on Sight, Boltcutter, 200 Stab Wounds, Foghorn, Bashed In, Field Dressed, Sanguisugabogg, No Cure, and even Jesus Piece and Garza from Suicide Silence -- who have all been appearing on each other's albums, playing the same shows, and sharing the stage for each other's sets. all those post-covid slam-core bands have been it for me. "they're heavy as shit, what else do you really need?"
I remember well before the internet, the days of those nasty earache metal blade compilations where bands sounded all different from each other. Today they look and sound exactly all the same. Ultra polished productions killed everything
Steve terreberry is awesome though. He may be silly but in all absolute seriousness he also might be one of the top guitarists... Ever. Maybe not for originality but for sure ability to copy and imitate literally any technical aspect of guitaring that anyone's ever thrown at him, I've never seen him get hung up on anything. Guitaring definitely needs both types of people, creative, and the people who break it down technically. They mesh and we end up with the best music
10:05 Wow you absolutely nailed it with this video. I've been listening to deathcore for nearly 15 years (29yo now), and I find that those flashy vocal gymnastics add little to the songs. They seem more focused on going viral on TikTok than enhancing the music itself. Instead bands should prioritize songwriting. It reminds me of those ridiculous gym lifts on Instagram that you mentioned earlier in the video. They may attract views but they lack any real substance. This trend of creating "viral moments" feels entirely disconnected from the essence of hardcore punk or death metal, if anything, it aligns more with pop music. I can’t help but wonder why bands like Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail don’t take a page from Bring Me The Horizon's playbook if their goal is popularity. I suspect they might want to but lack the skill and musicianship necessary to make such a transition successfully. In my opinion Slaughter to Prevail's songwriting still is poor and given that they've been around for 10 years I doubt it will improve significantly anytime soon. If I were my 15 year old self, I might have been blown away by those vocal acrobatics. However, after exploring so much metal, I'm not impressed when the overall songwriting is lacking. Nowadays, when I hear those slow-motion, stop-and-go breakdowns, I find myself yawning. Lorna Shore really set the trend back in 2013 with their Maleficium EP and since then I've heard it like a million times. Most bands that try to replicate that style just don’t do it as well.
Thank you. My issue with Lorna isn't their songwriting, it's their approach. I think Sun Eater and To The Pain are great songs. But the guitars are In Flames riffs at 400 BPM. When it's that fast it's impossible to follow the melody. So they use the orchestra to fill the role of the melody.
I’m pretty sure Alex completely overhauled the band prior to Kostolom following his gamble with releasing Demolisher. So the 10 year statement is a bit arbitrary when seen in context. “Slaughter to Prevail” is just a label with an old fanbase and lineup that Alex is more than willing to put behind him in favour of where they are currently going. Recently they have been experimenting a lot and their latest single, Behelit, is pretty ambitious even from an entertainment standpoint considering it is an AMV focused song, and not strictly just an auditory experience. Whether you think the song isn’t written good or not hardly matters when there is more than enough opposing opinions that say otherwise. In my opinion, StP is doing exactly what you are saying. They are following both Bring Me The Horizon AND Babymetal as examples.
Saying this makes it similar to pop music is like saying playing a super fast gravity blast makes something similar to pop music. Modern deathcore is infatuated with songwriting that prioritizes ear candy and impressing the listener. This is very common in all spheres of music, from funk & RnB to electronic music styles like drum & bass, breakcore, or hardcore techno. There are things one could criticize about that, but comparing it to pop music specifically is bizarre.
this video is actually well thought and made, kudos to you bro, you researched the history of deathcore and metalcore pretty well, as a fan of deathcore since 2016 you pretty much explained perfectly the problem in the community, it really does seem like every band switched styles to copy lorna shore (no offence to lorna. im a big fan of all their eras and ive been following them since the tom days)
Hit the nail on Lorna Shore. Just listen to the other two songs from that EP. I don't like To the Hellfire, but Of the Abyss kinda sounds like black metal in some parts and it's freaking great
And I Return To Nothingness, is my fav from them after Immortal, the black metal influence is amazing in those two, oh and Obsession with cj on it, that shit is so impactful and dark atmospheric for deathcore.
Great video man! Just happened across this, and totally learned a shit ton I didn’t know before. Coming from 90s punk and hardcore and liking bands like Earth Crisis, but also concerned at times they sounded “too metal”. But that’s the most I got into metalcore. Thanks for the history lesson man. Also explains why as “newer” stuff got away from the hardcore aspect and more uh metal, I have struggled to find new stuff I like. (Also hate guitar solos) . Again, loved your video. Thanks for the run down!
Fucking nasty chess board in the background, also agree with the fact that modern deathcore feels more like mini businesses fighting with each others rather than bands tryna make real original personally charged music
I agree with what you said with the breakdown except that I feel breakdowns will still be around but not crazy drawn out ones like Lorna does now. Personally I think death portrait is better then hellfire
I will say Spiritbox and Jinjer are doing some really great things and I believe they stay true to their own sound. Those 2 are just some quick outliers I believe with no research at all, although I know HMP is following how majority of these trends go. Thanks for the video Barbas, it's opening my eyes to how reaction content is invading the metal scene. We all appreciate your work and stay professional.
This was a fun watch, Jon. You "broke down" the problem with mod death perfectly. Also, Lars was right, but so was Kirk, turns out. Not sure guitar solos could've saved St. Anger, but their exclusion left a big hole. One month until new Opeth album; you pumped? 🤘🤘
Keanu Reeves + Stone Cold Steve Austin = Heavy Metal Philosophy
Nailed it.
I was gonna say he looks and sounds like X-Pac
Too accurate 😂😂
@@DoubleStankey that's accurate
Dude I can't unsee it now.
I'm old enough to remember back when breakdowns were just called "the bridge".
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When was that? You might have just not known they were different
A bridge is a bridge, not a breakdown.
I don't, we were calling them breakdowns in the 80s. Sodom was considered the king of breakdowns
Pepridge Farms remembers
The reliance on the breakdown to be the conclusion is what makes it so "tired". Everyone does it to put an exclamation point on EVERY song. Using them sparingly is what makes them interesting!
I sometimes go back to Parkway Drive's Horizon album and their breakdowns hit harder than any modern deathcore band's breakdowns and Parkway Drive is a metalcore band. The songwriting, everything before and after the breakdown or the buildup towards it is simply better done.
You know what annoys me the most? When the song is a soft pop song all the way through but there's a break down. It's like they want to go be accessible pop bands but put in a breakdown so they can keep their metal street cred.
Oh GAWD, I am sick to fucking death of breakdowns. It became a meme, people pretend to like it because everybody else pretends to like it. Now every friggin core-adjacent song has 30 seconds worth of monochord, slowchugged garbage where the bridge or solo should be.
Todays breakdowns are the banal, rote, pentatonic yawns that solos became during the hair band surge. They took something cool and interesting, and wrang every last drop of interest out of it.
There are still bands who do epic breakdowns worth listening to, ("The Poetic Edda" springs to mind) but yeah, I wouldn't mind if breakdowns just fell off entirely for a while.
@@TimmyTurner421 I just started getting into Parkway, and I agree.
I love breakdowns 😁
I'm lucky to be raised in the 90s. Death, deicide, carcass, morbid angel, cannibal corpse. Was a wicked era.
90s best decade! Kinda wish I coulda experienced it as an adult. 🤘🤘
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John, you managed to touch on the topic of widespread photocopying of ideas in musical genres. Viral, just like the MTV playlist in the past, is very conducive to this, although (as you rightly noticed) it does not result in any artistic breakthrough, but it also does not result in any funding. However, the life of a musician is a separate topic, which I deigned to discuss in the last message to you under the previous video. I won't comment on fitness because I don't have the time or inclination to follow this community. I don't eat meat, I eat very healthily, I have a delicate figure and as a forty-year-old boomer... I still look like a teenager. I'm not exaggerating, young people still call me "Bro"... which is not as common in Europe as in the USA. I don't miss muscle music any more than I miss glam metal (well, maybe with a few exceptions). I like Lorna Shore very much and I think that the next album will be crucial for the band's future. Ramos is an outstanding vocalist who has a great band behind him... their possibilities are almost limitless... in terms of aesthetics and even the musical genres they can combine. Will they decide to do so? I'd love to, but we'll see how it goes with them. I confirm, Vailed is an interesting band worth following. Slaughter to Prevail it's too macho and I don't like this style, but I appreciate their technical capabilities. Your comparisons are accurate, although viral trends do not change from month to month, but probably from day to day. I don't know, I don't know much about it, although I also deal with music. mainly writing books :)
So true
Ähhhhm, I've seen the first 4 of your list in the eighties ;-)
They are the true forefathers... Modern era can't even get close to what we had in the early 90's MORBID ANGEL in particular.....Carcass Heartwork opened the gate...
I'm curious to know your favourite Morbid album was... Definately no wrong answers
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"Cutie pie Will Ramos". 😂 For real though, I just went to a Lorna Shore/Whitechapel show and saw more women there than I usually see at metal shows. I was happy to see it!
Most men are too soft to be able to truly enjoy Metal, especially the vocals. They can't comprehend the beauty of brutal vocals. So, is it any surprise that the majority of the women you saw had to be posers just looking for some attention or a boyfriend? The way the women of every Metal scene have always been, minus 2% and the rest are really just Guns and Roses fans or not even into Rock based music, but can sure dress and play the part for a night to get some sausage.
A very welcome development indeed! 🤘🤘
That's probably because you weren't attending a real metal show 🤓 U were watching some corny core band (women love those)
@Blackprojex i will never understand why elitist come to videos that clearly is about deathcore when they dont like the genre 🤦🏾♂️
@@Blackprojexi never understood why elitists hate women. Like, do you not want the touch of a woman?
I thought this would be “metal elitist yells at cloud” but was actually a very objectionable timeline. Pretty much agreed with everything you said.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Objective not objectionable?
@@philliusphoggwick8299 You're right. Those two words have entirely different meanings. Thank you, I actually do care about using proper grammar.
My dude. You are blunt without being arrogant or excessively reductive, and you somehow also sound conversational, well-versed and chill as hell. Immediate subscription from me. (Also, your comment about girls in metal was lol-worthy.) Stay dope, fellow metal head!
Thank you and welcome aboard! 🙏🤘
That's emo, no offence, we do accept those too, do we have a choice? We don't really talk about emo, they're too emotional.
The early Deathcore as blood runs black era was f****** perfection
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In dying days and Legends never die are still two of my go to warm up songs on guitar almost 20 years later lol.
Their riffs were badass
try checking out releases from ephyra, they don’t have much of melo-death but i think they have/had some bands that are in those boat
Isnt metalcore
right now there’s an underground scene of kids doing the early 2000s deathcore and metalcore sound and honestly it feels so good for it to make a comeback in that way, good refs for both is katywentmissing, rev3rent, balmora, since my beloved, six shots in Dallas, girl of glass, xaogcx, killing me softly like there’s so much shit going on in so many local scenes and I feel like the current hardcore scene is what’s giving real deathcore and real metalcore the respect it deserves
Balmora is so fckn good dawg
Im from Germany and I want that scene back here!
Those guys all rock so much
I love to hear this! 🤘🤘
Thanks for this comment. I had a feeling this was happening. I came across On Solid Ground the other day on bandcamp and tricked myself into thinking it was released this year and not 2007. Hahahah ..
As a massive deathcore and metalcore guy, fully agree on the takes with the deathcore stuff. I feel like more than half the time a really heavy breakdown tries to cover up bad songwriting. Like the whole thing is centered around the breakdown. I got tired of it and now reverted to much more melodic deathcore and symphonic stuff again. Lorna, Worm Shepherd, Shadow of Intent etc. fucking love that shit. I look for new music all the time and whenever I see deathcore now it's just a few chugs and a breakdown made for a tiktok reaction or some shit.
Ooh Worm Shepard!! 🤘🤘
Yesssss. Fully agree. The bands you mentioned def have some elements that remind me of black metal I listened to in high school. I can’t stand the bands that basically play pure pop with breakdowns. Some are good but most are just bad/formulaic writing
if you're into symphonic, definitely check out The Poetic Edda EP, by Synestia and Dismebodied Tyrant. Absolutely top tier
@@michaelhamilton7739 yeah ofc, forgot to mention them too haha, already been in the playlists since it came out
"half the time a really heavy breakdown tries to cover up bad songwriting" makes me think of some Facebook comment section on a post about core/breakdowns I saw the other day.
There were multiple people saying something in the line of "The breakdown is the best part, much better than the boring fast bits" which is just another way of saying you listen to shitty bands who can't write riffs.
Wish I had somebody in real life to have a high level metal discussion like this with.
Kublai Khan is basically just breakdowns... And i love em 😂
Yes... Make the whole song the cool part. Don't make me wait for the heavy part!
You can't wait a min or two? Maybe music not ur thing
Some bands pull this off well
@vergilsonofsparda341 bro is music yours? Or are breakdowns just your thing? Cause we shouldn't have to sit through a lazy ass song just for a breakdown that's just derivative of all the other breakdowns
@@LuisDiaz-ef7wdTell em'!
Another band that I think is shaking up the scene is Paleface Swiss. Highly recommend checking them out if you haven't.
Oh good call! 🤘🤘
@@heavymetalphilosophy or Disembodied Tyrant
I was chuckling when you talked about girls in the scene, and thought of how I grew up with the sausage fests that were Rush & Primus.
Hahaha 💯 I went to a Primus show once and it was tremendous fun... But it was all dudes. Smelled like dude sweat in there so bad. Worse than a death metal show.
@@heavymetalphilosophy it's funny how the male brain works in an environment like that. It's like when I visit my mom in the retirement community - if I see a single woman who's not 85, my brain goes MATE WITH HER QUICKLY even though she's our waitress at Denny's. When I saw a girl at a Rush show, I had the same visceral reaction ;)
Thats a good point. I was shocked at the amount of chicks I saw at the death metals show I went to recently.
Some chick flashed her goods at a Cannibal Corpse show I went to in Dallas and I think even George was surprised lol
@@6maniac6metal6he would be more into the chick in the final 20 minutes of The Substance
Shadow of Intent and Disembodied Tyrant are underrated.
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SOI is defenitely not underrated
@@alexr6913 Womp they are
@@ZacharyPersic Underrated bands doesnt play headline tours babe
@@alexr6913 “babe” you’re weird first off, and idc they’re still so amazing and better than most artists out there so yeah they are underrated. go cry and cope somewhere else
I never thought of Vildhjarta, Mirar, or Humanity’s Last Breath as deathcore before… that’s an interesting perspective… To me these Thall bands were offshoots of Djent and basically made more gnarly Meshuggah riffs that are also more mathy, much slower, acrobatic pitch shifting, and with a blackened sense of atmosphere
That certainly makes sense. 🤘🤘
Vildhjarta is absolutely not deathcore at all 😂💀 U might as well say Meshuggah is deathcore then. This is what i hate about fans of this stuff they never make any sense especially when it comes to genre labels
My initial reaction to HLB and their direction of Thall is what happens if Djent, Deathcore and Cosmic Horror had a baby 😂
Lol. This trend should never have existed. There's a reason why Meshuggah never made a second Nothing or Catch 33 for example. Those albums are great and revolutionary, and didn't need any copying
I'm your age or possibly a little older but breakdowns have been in every damn "core" song since 1999. It's been 25 years and they are still going strong.
They’re still going, but i wouldn’t say strong . 25 years of breakdowns in every song. Yawn.
@@Tjhx1138 My point wasn't whether or not I like the use of the breakdowns. My point was they are still in song after song. It's gotten to the point that breakdowns are what people think makes the subgenre "core".
@@Tjhx1138go listen to death metal if you wanna escape breakdowns of this style
@@shredenvain7I used to love breakdowns but Deathcore has caused me to start to hate them because they're over used. Also breakdowns have just gotten lazy. They don't even try to write a riff anymore. They just chug really slow and go Bluuuughh. It's boring
@@Gregbaltzer I'm not disagreeing one bit. I personally am into Floridian death metal and technical death metal but I do like some deathcore bands like Whitechapel especially their earlier stuff and their newest stuff. Shadow of intent is really good as well. That said half time grooves which is what a breakdown really is aren't property of deathcore and aren't going anywhere. If you don't like them that's fine but you could say the exact same thing about blast beats being over saturated in extreme metal period.
RIP Mitch.
This video randomly came up after never watching any of your stuff before. Really enjoyed your perspective, cool video, will be binging all your stuff!
Thank you! And welcome aboard. 🙏🤘
You combined my two biggest passions: music and fitness.
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Spot on. The 80s guitar solo thing, when I went to shows in the 80's and whomever would start a guitar solo is when I would go to the bathroom or get a drink.
Did you take any chics to space mountain during the bathroom break Ric Flair?
@@heavymetalphilosophy Bro women at metal concerts in the 80's was rare, did have a couple girls in high school who liked the hair metal bands, but like you said in your video now there are quite a few women, still none I know want to go, the woman or the kids, but I'm happy women are there now, even have some young women hit on me.
love that you namedropped vildhjarta, mirar and hlb as the future. especially vildhjarta who have been doing their own thing for almost 15 years with their current "formula", not following any trends and just being their own weird self. my favorite band of all time for sure, with their signature sound but always surprising elements!
if only buster didnt mix like an EDM producer, would be way better.
@@Grisu. i admit that the new hlb record is a bit over the top at times, but i still enjoyed it. the self-titled and abyssal are more of my jam. thankfully the mix on newer vildhjarta is a lot more toned down and neutral in comparison which suits that style better anyways. i think he is a very good addition to the band nonetheless.
@@Grisu. What makes you say this? I mix EDM and i've had to add bass to buster mixes because it just wasn't there, haha. Smashed =/= EDM.
@@notreally-sf3dfI think he just doesn't like that it's "overproduced"
I think rawer production overproduction have their places, and I really like how Buster "overproduced" their last album. Probably an acquired taste.
@@XueYlva Sure, none of that is the mixing, it's the whole concept behind the composition and everything involved in it. It isn't just "mix like an edm producer".
It's a pet peeve of mine, people thinking it's just the mix.
We need to bring back bands like Sevendust, killswitched engaged, trivium, In flames!
In flames is touring next year, I think. They hired Chris Broderick to play for them. Hopefully it'll work out, I like Chris as a guitar player but it would be nice to see him stick with a band for a while again.
Trivium still exist. They released an album a couple of years ago.
Wow, as i saw the thumbnail my first thougt was „oh no not again a back-in-the-days-everything-was-better-video“.
instead the video was and no ragebait at all, but differentiated and full of excitement for future innovations. 😊
thank you, i liked that very much!
I came across this channel by chance, now i‘ll stay
Thank you and welcome aboard! 🙏🤘
lovin the dual band shirt trend- got to see LAMB OF GOD/MASTODON and picked up something similar
maybe do an episode on metal graphics/merch
Great idea! Thank you.
Fr I was thinking the same thing. I wanted to go to that Gojira/Mastadon show so bad😭😩
I got to see that show. Every band killed it
So glad you said that Lorna shore is so much more than just pig squeals, I agree that “too the hellfire” was more of a stunt to show Will’s range and almost a gateway into the genre for some. But Take Pain remains 1 for instance, not 1 breakdown but very melodic along with a killer guitar solo. We as metalheads get to sub genre based. Enjoy good music for the music alone.
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LS is a terrible band though.
@@Blackprojex your opinion doesn’t matter though
@@Blackprojexcan you explain why you think that?
@@Blackprojexhow?
Crossover thrash was the seed of metalcore and deathcore. There's a very clear line from Suicidal Tendencies, Cro-Mags, DRI, Leeway etc. to everything else that followed through the 90's and 00's. And crossover was also hated by purists on both the hardcore and metal sides during its time and has only been largely respected retrospectively.
Ooooh now that's an interesting point. Thank you.
Crossover thrash is probably my favorite subgenre
Crossover thrash is cool but when I mix my punk and metal I want it CRUSTY
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@@6maniac6metal6 I like Crust Punk too
This is the best breakdown of the scene I have ever seen. Great job!
Thank you! 🙏🤘
I've always been the only chick I know that likes heavy music. UNTIL "that cuitie pie, Will Ramos" (as you put it and you are correct) came around. You know how many of my friends are listening to heavy music now just because I showed them a pic and interview of him? Suddenly their minds are way more open to listening to all kinds of metal. Soon...I'll get them to love Darko US as much as I do 🖤
You're doing the Lord's work!! Thank you. 😁🤘🤘
I see another Darko fan! Hi! 👋
Women ☕️
My man 🤝 As a certified old man who has seen fads and trends come and go, this analysis was spot on. Well done.
Thank you. 🙏🤘
This is pure gold! As 50 yr old primary DM listener, I’m glad you mentioned FitFAAutopsy. They are the one current DCore band I actually enjoy.
Yes!! Oh What The Future Holds was so killer! 🤘🤘
Bro I put this on in the background, and I swore it was a different video when I’m getting solid workout advice.
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Another great conversation! So, I'm a certified personal trainer (not my main job) and you are spot on with the Insta trainer malarkey because it sounds more exotic to have a reason why getting in shape is difficult and they're the only information source to obtain that. Very wrong, it's showing up and having a plan and applying progressive overload with a balanced diet, but that's boring and entrusts the responsibility to the individual. Anyway, we have entered the age of music created for RUclips reactions versus making quality songs that serve the songs. It's personal bias, sure, but let's be honest, the quality has diminished in many of these bands and if you're a metal fan, you can hear it.
I wonder what the ratio is though. There have always been trends and copycat bands. Every thrift store is filled with vinyl from forgotten copycat bands. But today we actually see the copycat bands thanks to the Internet. I believe you're right... I just wonder what the mathematical distance is.
@@heavymetalphilosophy I think there are far more bands toiling away doing their own thing than bands that are creating for views. For example, my band Krigsgrav has been around for 20 years and we will be there for years to come. I can stand behind that because I know our goals, philosophies, etc. If you create art for someone/thing else built on a weak base of mass acceptance or popularity I don't believe you'll weather the storm for the long term.
you are well spoken, thoughtful, and just seem like a super solid/rad/chill dude. glad i stumbled onto your channel even tho i stopped listening to metal in highschool, your commentary brought up major nostalgia vibes and made me smile. good job dude. keep these introspective comparitives coming!
Thank you! 🙏🤘
I was in a death core band in high school in 2007 Plague of Mortality and we had one guy Jesse with that hair do. Love death core love extreme music oh yeah we had a myspace for our band so it's cool to know that you came from the same era. Hail from VT
Hail 🤘🤘
Awesome channel. Excellent breakdown as always. Sounds like me at the dinner table with the wife and my 2 Daughters explaining my views on metal and music in general but they shut me down straight away with eye rolls.
Haha I can relate. My son ain't trying to hear that 😆🤘
Deathcore fatigue is the same that i feel with all marvel stuff coming out those last years everything sound the same
That's a great comparison. Which new band will be the next Thanos?
@@heavymetalphilosophy 😅For me, the next Thanos is already here, and it’s Dickie Allen. As far back as I can remember, I think he was the first to start doing those ultra-guttural vocals that now everyone in modern deathcore, like Lorna Shore, Mental Cruelty, and others, is using. But when he started, it was almost like a joke-now, they’re all competing to see who can make the most demonic sound. And it’s getting a bit ridiculous.”
I like my breakdowns like i like my mental breakdowns....
S C R E A M I N G I N T E N S E L Y
but also, we need more guinea pig squeals in deathcore!! 😂
Yes! Where are the cute animals?!
You ask I deliver
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I was not having the modern core music but it kinda grew on me. The best thing out of it is my wife is into it and i can listen to heavier music and not get complaining. She is even getting into the slighly heavier bands than the bad omens. Life is good for me if i have great company to go see shows.
That's awesome! I love this. Couples that 🤘 together! 😁
I think metalcore as a genre has evolved so far beyond it's post-hardcore/emo/hardcore roots that it would be unrecognizable as metalcore to somebody from the early 2000's. That's a good thing, imo. In fact, it's evolved so far that it's beginning to split off into several distinct metalcore subgenres as well.
In general, I think it's one of the most accessible metal genres for non-metalheads to pick up. People who wouldn't look twice at Infant Annihilator are suddenly gushing about Sleep Token and Bad Omens. Metal's in a very good place right now, and I think all those "snotty little core kids" that Reddit complains about are due some gratitude. Metalcore revitalized a stagnant genre of music, and brought some great new sounds and a legion of newly minted fans with it.
@@DeletiriumI actually think Metalcore and Deathcore has "killed" Metal in it's traditional sense. I'm not a hater, I grew up 20 years ago with a ton of traditional heavy metal, Thrash, Speed, Power, Death Metal etc. etc., and eventually started to get into metalcore and deathcore 10 years ago.
but Metal without the "core" has been dead for almost 20 years. this neither a bad or good thing. it just means that Metal has to come up with something new or have an exciting revival, and until then, it is replaced with metalcore and deathcore, and all the other far evolved "core" genres.
Whatever the fuck Hardcore Punk did to "breakdowns" ended up being such a ridiculously versatile element that it is no longer just "the bridge" and has been reinvented so many times that we lost the Hardcore influence it used to have. The breakdown has become the verses lmfao.
Which don't get me wrong, that's basically what Vildhjarta is doing even though some people don't want to admit that they got their breakdowns from Hardcore, but just evolved the ever living shit out of it into something new.
even Technical Death Metal bands like First Fragment that have 80s shred solos and are NOT Deathcore technically still have breakdowns in it that somewhat resemble Hardcore breakdowns, but their weird ass spin was to call them "Swingdowns" because it's got that funny swung-rhythm for a breakdown. They've somehow avoided the modern core breakdown sound and went to a more traditional breakdown, while still being recognizable as filling the role of a modern breakdown.
It seems like the only way forward is for these bands to keep evolving as much as they want to, even if it means forgetting the roots of it all, which I don't like, but it's where we're headed and it could lead to new innovations.
The revival of the "Old School Deathcore" sound did happen though and it's pretty cool.
I really wasn't expecting to see Eric Bugenhagen in this video. As wacky as his lifts look the guy is an absolute beast.
I didn't know who it was, I just googled "crazy balance squat" and this was a result, but on your recommendation perhaps I'll check him out. 💪🤘
I think, this started with Infant Anihilator. After their second album, Deathcore vocals bsically becae a sport, a technique excersise
They're still really good! 🤘🤘
No it didnt. Chelsea Grin were inventing this long before
@@fatefatefate I disagree. Their first two albums were not much different from the other bands around them
One era sounds like real guitars and the newer stuff is so wildly produced and over-the-top. The reason this has happened, is like everything else, it gets more and more extreme at certain 'edges' and eventually hardly resembles its former-self.
I don't agree with everything you said here, but this was a well thought out video and thanks for putting this out there. It's a conversation we need to have
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Metalcore with the melo death riffs that they took from the Gothenburg sound was always the best for that genre. Lots of unique styles that different bands added to that sound. Glad it’s making a comeback
Yes!! 🤘🤘
I come from the older days of metal and for sure, I see what you have been seeing, and I agree with you.
I just can't get into some of the newer metal that is around nowadays.
Thankfully we've got a pretty healthy underground right now. Lots of great new stuff happening there. 😁🤘🤘
I agree. I don't listen to much mainstream stuff because of the things that you mentioned in the video. 🤘🏼
I love you for including the whole Ronnie Squat clip. The rest of the video is nice, too.
Haha thank you! 🙏🤘
I think it's funny how death metal is more hardcore influenced than metalcore and deathcore. Bands like Undeath and Maul are killing it!
Undeath is too beautiful! 🤟
I mean, Dying Fetus is the OG deathcore band. Only, it was called "slam death." Then some emo kids dumbed it down and now we have what we all know as "deathcore."
@@dfhellraiser4td Destroy the Opposition is still one of my go to gym albums
Yes!! And Terminal Nation and Tombstoner 🤘🤘
Vomit Forth is another one, quintessential hardcore riffage but from a death metal perspective
You had me at " I don't hate animal noises ". Subscribed!
Thank you and welcome aboard 🙏🤘
Lol, best workout plan ever. "But you know what that advice is? Boring as hell."
Here we go... Another set of incline DB press! 😆💪🤘🤘
I think this is not only a deathcore problem, this happens with every genre of metal or music in general, every new trend is cool until is flooded by many copycats, so bands start doing something different or returning to a traditional sound and that becomes the new trend, then the cycle repeats.
Good point. 🤘
I remember discovering Children of Bodom on MySpace when I was a teen….. helped me get away from weird deathcore stuff that was coming out at the time. 20 years later and I’m still metalhead 😊 maybe I’m one of those rare women that truly loves old school thrash and death metal lol
Oh Alexi we miss you. 🙏🤘🤘
Fantastic analysis! Loved the comparisons and predictions for the future. I wasn't sure what to expect but what you said makes totalt sense!
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Man, my main thing is just the huge disconnect between modern metalcore and deathcore and every other subgenre of metal, like more often than not when you talk to these core kids or core influencers they have no real knowledge or interest in anything outside of metalcore or deathcore, and even talk about it in a dismissive tone. They treat it as if it's a thing of the past and not worth their time, when most of those bands were the inspirations for the bands their listening too now, and are still going strong today. They never even try to relate to, or even really respect, any of the other genres, and then wonder why the divide between them and more traditional metal fans keeps widening.
Plus it feels like all the big name, hyper successful modern metalcore bands mainly make their songs with wayyy more pop elements than metal elements. Look at bands like ERRA, Bad Omens, and modern Architects, and it feels like i'm listening to a pop song with breakdowns.
I dig Erra's riffs but yes there's a lot of pop songs with a breakdown that's heavy so they can keep their metal cred
This is all even more apparent how every time a scene band introduces a single new element, it's literally memed to death like it's the greatest new thing. Point in case, this obnoxious "blegh" shit. These tourists are obsessed with something that has been in metal for literal decades. There was no name for it. There was no super cool inside jokes to let everyone know you were part of the "metal club." It was just part of the music.
I feel this super hard. But for some fucking reason they want to be acknowledged as metal heads but get upset when faced with metal elitism and gatekeeping but on the same coin absolutely fucking refuse to listen to any other forms of metal that said elitists listen to especially the shit that laid all the ground work for these new shiny bands to exist. Like what you like but don't get upset when someone says you ain't metal if you won't fucking listen it! I don't see emos and pop punk fans getting upset when people don't refer to them as Punks!!!!
Yep, I saw it as a teen in the 2000's and already being an old many yelling at cloud deep inside. The metalcore fans back then (I think Deathcore was only a thing later) having and not wanting to have any knowledge whatsoever about traditional metal (extreme metal being included in this umbrella). I've been to strange mashups like Underoath opening for Dimmu Borgir in the mid 2000's in what used to be Nokia Theatre in NYC.
All the underoath metalcore mall kids left as soon as the band left and Dimmu Borgir was coming, then more actual metal fans came in and more than half the audience completely changed in a few minutes.
It's even worse online, all these youtube influencers and talking about "modern metal" and they just mean these couple of sub-genres. Also, a lot of celebrity-type gossip going on with these bands ALL THE TIME! and they always complain about elitists, it's weird.
@@heavymetalphilosophy it's not even that i have a problem with the music or the band themselves even if i dont care for their music, it's just the fans being like "THIS IS METAL!!!!1!!! THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S METAL EVER" when the music their pushing as "The Face Of Metal" Feels like it doesnt even have much metal in it.
Very interesting questions there mate, I think you're onto something here - thanks for the great video 🤟🔥
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Doesn't matter if it's trendy or instragamable or so. As long as you loving the music you listen to.
I loved earliest deathcore and metalcore and I love modern version of them as well.
💯Bottom line. 🤘🤘
You hit the nail on the head, my guy is seriously on point!!!
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Modern metalcore feels more like post metal than metalcore.
I'm not new to metal, but Deathcore was new to me when I learned about it at the beginning of this year and I was surprised to not hear you mention any of the groups that got me into it! Other than Lorna Shore, that's a given though. Pain Remains is such a good album. The band that I was most excited about initially was Disembodied Tyrant. The Poetic Edda was unlike anything I had ever heard before and was what hooked me, The band that kept me moving down the deathcore rabbit hole on the other hand, was Enterprise Earth. I really liked The Chosen but when Death: An Anthology dropped was when I feel they became "more than Deathcore", that album is insanely good. I think my only complaint is that it loses some of the tropes of Deathcore like inhuman drumming, if that's more what you're looking for, I would check out what Mental Cruelty is doing, especially Zwielicht/Symphony of a Dying Star, that song (really the whole album is good, but that part is REALLY good) I also enjoyed Purgatorium. . If you want something that's more heavy than the above, I would check out Vulvodynia's new album, I don't really fw their old stuff though since learning about their previous vocalist trying to kill the drummer though, which honestly is fine musically too, their new vocalist is better. Inferi is the last one that I'll mention only because I feel bad not mentioning how good they are musically. They don't have any gimmick other than having the most consistently good guitar parts, which is why I mention, because Vile Genesis may not have much in the way of breakdowns, but the guitars go insane, every song on Vile Genesis has a guitar hook that sticks with me.
You clearly have excellent taste. 🤘🤘
I covered Vulvodynia on tour and got some great photos. Sick band! 🤘🤘
I’m not a fan of any of this stuff (I grew up with OG first wave metalcore and I respect the original deathcore bands), but I appreciate the history breakdown. You might be right with your prediction.
Also, you’re completely spot on with fitness influencers. A good routine is everything. I’m glad somebody is saying it.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Such a great video. I love hearing you talk about such real topics. You aren’t saying stuff out of your ass, there’s real merit in all of your points and you’re bringing up things that I hadn’t noticed but now I won’t be able to stop thinking about it 👍
Thank you 🙏🤘
None of us listen to metal for chicks... This has been known since the dawn of death metal.
Of course. I also didn't claim that. It would be moronic strategy if chics were someone's sole aim and they chose to get into metal.
With that said, a show with a few girls in the audience is better than none.
You should take a look at the underground deathcore scene that blew up this year, commonly referred to as revival core because bands are going for more of that early MySpace sound rather than this weird direction that mainstream deathcore it at
I agree on absolutely every single aspect, being a Modern Deathcore and Modern Metalcore fan myself. Here are my recommendations if you want to listen to something a little less tired
For Deathcore: SIX ATL, Sold Soul, Shrine of Malice, Thorns of Eleanore, Synestia, Disembodied Tyrant, Casketmaker
For Metalcore: Before I Turn, 156/Silence, Darknet, Atena
Thank you. That's numerous recs for Disembodied Tyrant now. Seriously gonna have to check them out. 🤘🤘
Aren't Shrine of Malice from Germany? I remember interviewing them years ago. Their very first stuff was okay, but then I Remember them just become very generic Slamming Death Metal with their drums going from natural in their early stuff, to the usual fake drums when they went full Slam? No idea what they sound like now, but don't have much faith in the Modern bands coming out of Germany, sadly. Their Black Metal and Death Metal bands can be outstanding, though.
Shrine of malice is fucking bad ass
First time viewer of the channel and subbed within the first 30 seconds think that's a record for me lol. Thanks man great content.
Thank you and welcome aboard! 🙏🤘
You fucking nailed it. Today’s metal is cringe TikTokcore
MySpacecore > TikTokcore
Thank you. 🙏🤘
Yo its so cool seeing you shoutout veiled as their bassist is someone who produces music for my band deathcore band FRACTURE. insanely talented dudes and were doing a gigwith them this week to celebrate their new album launch!
Break a leg y'all! 🤘🤘
Back in 2006 I used to adore Ed Butcher's vocals for I Killed The Prom Queen and Casey Calvert's screams for Hawthorne Heights. But as you age, you want more than top notch growls, breakdowns and wild riffs. You want quality songs.
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Absolutely adore I killed the prom queen and with now being much older I might be wrong but I’ll always say even with the og bands like killswitch that so many metalcore bands ripped off I killed the prom queens music for the recently deceased for years and years after like hell even my MySpace name was inspired by prom queens song like nails to a casket they were so pivotal for me.
@@jetlagjonnythey never settled on lead vocalist. That destroyed them. Rip Sean Kennedy
@@EncoreASMR definitely didn’t expect seans passing at all but then again when would you but definitely rest in peace. What I heard I may be wrong was because ed travelled to be with prom queen in Australia he got really homesick and quit and came back to the uk and got a normal job. You may already know but check out Ed’s previous bands stuff before prom queen poached him. The hunt for Ida wave and eternal lord
Isn't Casey Calvert an adult film star?
Not gonna lie, To the Hellfire got me back into modern metal and I'm way better off for it because I have new stuff to enjoy
That's awesome. 🤘🤘
The sub-genre wars in metal have been going on for generations... with no end in sight.🤘😁🤙
I find that silly but I definitely see it. We never see power metal fans behave like this. But I put the word "core" at the end and watch out! 😆🤘
@@heavymetalphilosophy Dude, it gets ridiculous.... probably 15 years ago, I was in a bar in Austin, hanging out with some chick and Billy Milano... he was a bartender there, I went to get a beer and the staff wouldn't serve me... she said "oh its past last call" (It was 30 minutes until last call) I came back sat down, Billy asked "Where's your beer? Bartender said it was past last call... Billy stands up said "fucking bullshit," goes behind the bar grabs a beer, slams down in front of me... he said "Here you go bro!" Called his coworkers cocksuckas or something and we continued our conversation... we were pretty sure it was because I was wearing a suit... totally unacceptable to those hardcore kids working there... don't know if that really applies but the talk of posers made me think of that story.... 🤘😁🤙Billy's an awesome dude!
Yeah and it will always be there. There will always be subgenres that are seen as "not real metal" and metal will never be without elitists.
I mean I think core is just awful, can't understand how anyone would like regularly hear breakdowns, don't like the riffs generally and with metalcore I just really don't get it. Both of those just make me think you are listening to music that has better versions of everything available in other genres. But also who gives a shit if you like something, I know people say the same about black metal and I love it. Even some deathcore fans say the same about death metal. I won't go around saying it isn't real metal.
I think your analysis was spot on man. You were in college during the Suicide Silence / Whitechapel early days while I was in middle school, Whitechapel being my first metal show when I was 12 years old, and my favorite band at that time. I totally agree with your evolution of the genre. It's pretty much unrecognizable from those times. When someone who's into deathcore today talks to me about it, we are talking about two very different things.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
To be fair, in the 2000s you also have deathcore bands that were releasing tracks that were just breakdowns. Which was an evolution of them having breakdowns in pretty much every song.
One that comes to mind is Impending Doom, can't remember the album but that opening track is just a breakdown. But man it got you.
Yes! Just make the whole song a breakdown... Why are we waiting for the cool part? Shouldn't the whole song be cool? 😆🤘🤘
The very first Impending Doom full-length will go down in History as being one of the heaviest productions ever recorded and all note for note. I never got a response from the band, as they are one of the few bands who just don't or at least didn't have any personal social media you could just interview them on, like almost every other band, but from what I know, that album has zero fake sound on it. All flesh and bone musicianship.
Congrats!!! This is one of the best made videos for years. Great job thank you
Wow! Thanks 😁🙏🤘
Saw Lorna Shore and Whitechapel (for the second time) last night, they were killer. Also, didn't expect a Ronnie Coleman clip lmao.
Light weight baby!!! 😆💪🤘🤘
thank you so much for humanity's last breathe introduction subscribed and will be watching!! I've been listening to Darko for a couple months now!!
Thank you and welcome aboard 🙏🤘
Most girls I’ve ever seen was at the Lorna shore show for sure
14:30 i had this same conversation with my art teacher in highschool :)
When i only drew manga/anime, he asked if i knew why the greatest manga artists were thaf good, and when i replied "they have talent?" He said: " no! They know the fundamentals, and after masterinf the fundamentals of art, they used this to create manga/anime."
That's a great analogy. 🤘🤘
But they also had talent though, so technically you weren't wrong...
“There’s only so many times you can hear two hand tapping or somebody whammy bar dive bombing before you’re not impressed anymore”
Exactly the reason I was never overly impressed with Steve Vai, Joe Satriani or Yngwie Malmsteen. It just gets old after 3 or 4 songs.
Thank you for not choosing "my curse" for the KSE cut LOL. This video had great fundamentals 💯
Idk if they’re metalcore, deathcore or whatever but Crystal Lake has definitely been my go to ‘core’ band for a little bit.
Great band for sure! 🤘🤘
Lovin the channel. Really like these newer vids.
Thank you! Hearing that means a lot. 🙏🤘
I love modern deathcore, it was my entry and it feels amazing
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I genre hop within the overall sphere of metal a lot becuase of how "samey" a lot of it sounds over time if i stick to a genre too long.
Is why i appreciate bands like Opeth, Mastodon , Inflames and others I'm sure I'm forgetting. Even if I don't always like the changed, I appreciate that there is a change over the years.
Indeed. I absolutely NEED the various subgenres even the ones I don't always love in order to give me variety.
All of the bands you mentioned are boring artsy fartsy mainstream garbage.
@@MaharlikaAWA They actually aren't, though. Please stop being incorrect.
@@Peatore No, I'm correct.
@@MaharlikaAWA Please stop spreading misinformation online.
Hit the nail on the head. Fit is I think the best direction for metal. Love what they’re doing
Oh What The Future Holds! 🤘🤘
Slaughter to Prevail has been chasing trends since their first day - Alex will do anything for attention and it has been very effective for their brand (after ten years).
Also, were not headed to a future with no breakdowns, we're in a future where the entire song is a breakdown. The question is whether that's sustainable - I would assume not.
Sure.Alex not the first one.its all about the front man and profit
Oh I hadn't thought of that. That makes sense. Like Kublai Khan is basically all break down now.
@@heavymetalphilosophy yeah, or Knocked Loose, or F.I.L.T.H., etc.
They're brutal live and a bunch of cool dudes having fun on stage, what's the issue? Chronic Slaughter and Demolisher are crucial, to name a couple
I think stp is incredibly boring and one dimensional
Just introduced to this channel with this video, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Liked and subscribed. I'm from the same era and everything you touched on resonated with me.
Thank you and welcome aboard! 🙏🤘
there is actually a lot of community in the post-covid hardcore scene, it's just not between the bands on tiktok. it's between bands like Peelingflesh, Snuffed on Sight, Boltcutter, 200 Stab Wounds, Foghorn, Bashed In, Field Dressed, Sanguisugabogg, No Cure, and even Jesus Piece and Garza from Suicide Silence -- who have all been appearing on each other's albums, playing the same shows, and sharing the stage for each other's sets. all those post-covid slam-core bands have been it for me. "they're heavy as shit, what else do you really need?"
You love to see it! 🙏🤘
Post-Corevid
I remember well before the internet, the days of those nasty earache metal blade compilations where bands sounded all different from each other. Today they look and sound exactly all the same. Ultra polished productions killed everything
Yes this is happening across subgenres as plugins and modelers are the way it's done now 😔
Steve terreberry is awesome though. He may be silly but in all absolute seriousness he also might be one of the top guitarists... Ever. Maybe not for originality but for sure ability to copy and imitate literally any technical aspect of guitaring that anyone's ever thrown at him, I've never seen him get hung up on anything. Guitaring definitely needs both types of people, creative, and the people who break it down technically. They mesh and we end up with the best music
Agreed. Steve rules. Just had to use him for the gag but I really do love his stuff. 🤘
This is my first time watching, I am subscribed now
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10:05 Wow you absolutely nailed it with this video. I've been listening to deathcore for nearly 15 years (29yo now), and I find that those flashy vocal gymnastics add little to the songs. They seem more focused on going viral on TikTok than enhancing the music itself. Instead bands should prioritize songwriting. It reminds me of those ridiculous gym lifts on Instagram that you mentioned earlier in the video. They may attract views but they lack any real substance. This trend of creating "viral moments" feels entirely disconnected from the essence of hardcore punk or death metal, if anything, it aligns more with pop music.
I can’t help but wonder why bands like Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail don’t take a page from Bring Me The Horizon's playbook if their goal is popularity. I suspect they might want to but lack the skill and musicianship necessary to make such a transition successfully. In my opinion Slaughter to Prevail's songwriting still is poor and given that they've been around for 10 years I doubt it will improve significantly anytime soon.
If I were my 15 year old self, I might have been blown away by those vocal acrobatics. However, after exploring so much metal, I'm not impressed when the overall songwriting is lacking. Nowadays, when I hear those slow-motion, stop-and-go breakdowns, I find myself yawning. Lorna Shore really set the trend back in 2013 with their Maleficium EP and since then I've heard it like a million times. Most bands that try to replicate that style just don’t do it as well.
Thank you. My issue with Lorna isn't their songwriting, it's their approach. I think Sun Eater and To The Pain are great songs. But the guitars are In Flames riffs at 400 BPM. When it's that fast it's impossible to follow the melody. So they use the orchestra to fill the role of the melody.
I’m pretty sure Alex completely overhauled the band prior to Kostolom following his gamble with releasing Demolisher. So the 10 year statement is a bit arbitrary when seen in context. “Slaughter to Prevail” is just a label with an old fanbase and lineup that Alex is more than willing to put behind him in favour of where they are currently going. Recently they have been experimenting a lot and their latest single, Behelit, is pretty ambitious even from an entertainment standpoint considering it is an AMV focused song, and not strictly just an auditory experience. Whether you think the song isn’t written good or not hardly matters when there is more than enough opposing opinions that say otherwise.
In my opinion, StP is doing exactly what you are saying. They are following both Bring Me The Horizon AND Babymetal as examples.
The Russian Nazi changing things up while holding to an old fan base checks tf out😂
Sup Hoagie!
Saying this makes it similar to pop music is like saying playing a super fast gravity blast makes something similar to pop music.
Modern deathcore is infatuated with songwriting that prioritizes ear candy and impressing the listener. This is very common in all spheres of music, from funk & RnB to electronic music styles like drum & bass, breakcore, or hardcore techno. There are things one could criticize about that, but comparing it to pop music specifically is bizarre.
Really appreciate the way you share your information. Interesting, engaging, and informative.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
I just wish we had more music similar to Divine Heresy🤧
this video is actually well thought and made, kudos to you bro, you researched the history of deathcore and metalcore pretty well, as a fan of deathcore since 2016 you pretty much explained perfectly the problem in the community, it really does seem like every band switched styles to copy lorna shore (no offence to lorna. im a big fan of all their eras and ive been following them since the tom days)
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Hit the nail on Lorna Shore. Just listen to the other two songs from that EP. I don't like To the Hellfire, but Of the Abyss kinda sounds like black metal in some parts and it's freaking great
I think lorna shore is more blackened death metal not deathcore tbh. I also prefer Of the Abyss
Poser shore
And I Return To Nothingness, is my fav from them after Immortal, the black metal influence is amazing in those two, oh and Obsession with cj on it, that shit is so impactful and dark atmospheric for deathcore.
Great video man! Just happened across this, and totally learned a shit ton I didn’t know before. Coming from 90s punk and hardcore and liking bands like Earth Crisis, but also concerned at times they sounded “too metal”. But that’s the most I got into metalcore. Thanks for the history lesson man. Also explains why as “newer” stuff got away from the hardcore aspect and more uh metal, I have struggled to find new stuff I like. (Also hate guitar solos) . Again, loved your video. Thanks for the run down!
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Fucking nasty chess board in the background, also agree with the fact that modern deathcore feels more like mini businesses fighting with each others rather than bands tryna make real original personally charged music
Thanks! I used to collect them. I have a display case on the other side of the room with a few of my favorites.
@@heavymetalphilosophy chessboard tour when 👽🤘
@@lolwuffidoggoshiema7605 maybe on social media I'll do one. RUclips tends to punish us if we venture outside our niche.
I wanna see that chess board as well!
All Shall Perish, Dying Fetus. Hell yea.
Not sure whats going on today with some bands out there. But, definetly there is something for everybody.
Yes!! 🤘🤘
I agree with what you said with the breakdown except that I feel breakdowns will still be around but not crazy drawn out ones like Lorna does now. Personally I think death portrait is better then hellfire
Agreed I like death portrait more as well. 🤘🤘
I will say Spiritbox and Jinjer are doing some really great things and I believe they stay true to their own sound. Those 2 are just some quick outliers I believe with no research at all, although I know HMP is following how majority of these trends go. Thanks for the video Barbas, it's opening my eyes to how reaction content is invading the metal scene. We all appreciate your work and stay professional.
Yes! Jinjer rules. Thank you! 🙏🤘
@@heavymetalphilosophy I fall easily for the dynamic of clean and dirty vocals.
Ah yes. A goddess with all the badassery
This was a fun watch, Jon. You "broke down" the problem with mod death perfectly. Also, Lars was right, but so was Kirk, turns out. Not sure guitar solos could've saved St. Anger, but their exclusion left a big hole.
One month until new Opeth album; you pumped? 🤘🤘
So pumped! Seeing them tonight! 😁🤘🤘