Your videos are great, but I wonder why you never cover punk in Europe. I think it is a bit different than in USA, since many of us punks in Europe have members of families that were fighting in wars, in revolutions, that were slaughterd in concentration camps in WW 2 etc. Punk has much different flavour in Europe, than USA. It is much more a social and political movement than just a fashion. Check out France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Yugoslavia... Thank you for doing the great work❤
I remember in the 80’s we called metal heads “hessians” or “buttrockers” sometimes…though I loved thrash and some metal too. There was so much good music coming from all these places. It was the heyday of gangster culture, so music was naturally niched into its own click.
A true story for ST fans: Many years ago my brother-in-law Ernie the HUGE ST fan was struck down with a blood clot in his brain and was found by his daughter passed out on the floor. Soon, medical aid arrived and took him to the hospital. Ernie survived but with severe mental and physical effects. His full recovery took over two years. During his darkest days of recovery a friend wrote to ST and told them about Ernie's situation and what a big fan he was. A few weeks later a box arrived for Ernie with a personal note from the band members and hats and shirts and everything you can think of. Yet another reason to love those guys!
As a Mexican Punk looking for people who dress like me and look like me ST was one of the first bands that made me feel comfortable and accepted got me into Hardcore Thrash and even 2000s Pop Punk
I am east european . I was born in Hungary. S.T opened my eyes in the early nineties. I through them found out about cholo culture and gangs. Back then we didn’t have Mtv just fanzines and movies and stuff, I fell in love with it right away. I was the only white cholo in my high school riding my board 😂 Now I think about it make feel a certain type of way, but back then it was my identity! I still love these dudes and I still love the cholo culture too. ❤
I would also like to add that before I discovered S.T i was into fuckin G’N’R and Van Halen and shit so without Suicidal I would have never came across N.Y.H.C or hard core culture in general. They were the first hardcore band I ever heard in my life and still my favourite!
Same… Mexican punks weren’t a thing in Houston when I was growing up. It took me finding early NYC punk to find ST and people that look like me in the music I like.
A true story for ST fans. My first concert, 1986, Tulsa Oklahoma. My mom dropped me off. I was 12 years old but always the biggest guy in my class so my mom wasn’t scared for me. I walked into the Beat Club. I saw mohawks, skin heads, Doc Martens and “real” punks. I didn’t know anyone so I sat in the corner by myself waiting for the show. Freaking Mike Muir (my idol at the time) came over and sat next to me. He was drinking from a plastic cup with ice in it. He drank all the liquid and some ice was stuck to the bottom. The ice fell out, hit his mouth and fell to the floor. We both chuckled and I said “I hate it when that happens.” I knew I wanted to be a rock star from that moment on. Intolerance Records!
One thing about Suicidal Tendencies people overlook is their ability to connect lyrically with their fans. ST got me through a lot of dark times when I was younger. I'm not sure I'd be where I am today without those songs.
@@haleighhellfire321honestly....just pick one. There is so much insight lyrically into so many different mental health issues, whether Mike personally dealt with them or he just happened to observe them happening to folks around him, that they can't be ignored. Many can identify with these feelings and issues. He also spends a great deal of time delving into the power of positive thinking, recognizing hypocrisy, using independent critical thought to change personal outcomes, and finding community in a diverse group of friends who become family. Here I am, 48 years old, and a band I discovered as a disenfranchised, disaffected skater kid with a love of aggressive music STILL loving their records.
Gotta Kill Captain Stupid while by no means one of my favourite songs by S.T really planted a seed in my mind. Having this cool rock band telling an impressionable kid that all that dumb shit, getting drunk, doing drugs etc… was in fact,… NOT COOL was a great message that set in.
@@haleighhellfire321If I Don’t Wake Up is a good song for reference. But all their songs really do have some sort of message in them and I do appreciate that this band was more about self improvement rather than destruction.
@@haleighhellfire321 The album How Will I laugh Tomorrow... is a big one personally. It does a great job of realistically describing and addressing depression without pandering. It also works its way through a whole lot of darkness to an uplifting recovery without feeling like schlocky bullshit, and without lying or pretending that the darkness could never come back. I don't think Mike Muir ever described it as a concept album, but it's definitely got a theme throughout.
my mom was a skater in the 80’s so i grew up listening to her cassettes of Suicidal tendencies, Black Flag, Circle Jerks and MOD. ST was definitely my favorite!
Same here. Got kicked out of high school in 10th grade. "How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today" was huge to me as a disgruntled teen at the time.
I was a skater in the 80s, and Suicidal Tendencies was always on blast in my backyard while we were riding my halfpipe. Anything fast and energetic was what we listened to, and ST provided some of the best songs to skate to!
I was a skater/surfer in the late 80s, still am to this day. Got say, I was only 10 in 88. My older cousin was super into it, and so I wanted to be. He grew out of it, and I didn’t. I always loved Suicidal based on the skate connection.
Agent Orange. Their music was fucking designed to skate to. But Suicidal was up there too. JFA. Agression. Boneless Ones. RKL. Gang Green. MDC. Shit, we even skated to the B52's sometimes. Some of the best days of my life.
A badass band. One of a kind. Mike Clark and Rocky George were unreal guitarists. Lyrics were true to life. All songs were different and it'll always be ST!
I was in the suicidal tendencies when I was 15 years old as a skater when I first got into the punk scene before I started playing in bands. Their songs were anthems to us. Still are. Years later when I was working security at this place called The Ritz theater in Tampa has security at the dressing rooms.. infectious grooves came and that's when I met Robert Trujillo... And Mike was there... My heroes were standing right next to me!!! One of the coolest moments of my entire life!!
I was the rock/metal kid who discovered punk and hip hop as a freshman in high school in ‘85. Most kids couldn’t understand why I loved all of it and I couldn’t really explain. That first Suicidal album brought it all together for me.
@@ghost_mall Agreed. My metal friends made fun of me for listening to punk and my punk friends made fun of me for listening to metal. They all hated hip hop. That first ST album fused punk and metal and they brought the street/gang culture into the fold. As semi sheltered white kid I fell in love.
i bet they have ST tshirts they bought from amazon now lying about how much they loved it back then. i see that a lot these days and people dont know one song.
First album is the one. Not too into their later shit, but that self titled is IT. Join The Army is pretty dope too. Before the Mike Clark influence took over. They kinda lost me after How Will I Laugh Tomorrow.
I feel like when Rocky George joined the band he took them to the next level with his guitar shredding skills and took them into the direction of crossing over into thrash. My dad turned me on to S-T around the same time I was learning guitar, and Rocky's solos are epic and were a huge influence on me because at the time I was solely into punk rock power chord playing mindset. Very underrated guitarist imo.
Suicidal was so influential and Institutionalized was some of the first sounds of the new emerging Punk/Hardcore sound coming out at the time. Growing up in an area where Chicano/ LowRider culture was huge---- Suicidal made so much sense to me. Absolutely seminal band that doesn't get all the credit they rightfully deserve
I’ll never forget how my mom FREAKED OUT when she found a suicidal tendencies album that I had borrowed in 1987 (I was in the eighth grade) She wouldn’t let me keep it in the house and made me set it on the front porch. my friend came over the next day, understandably perturbed because his album was covered in pollen. She thought because I had the record I was literally suicidal?!?
My mom was even crazier. She assumed anything not pop music meant you were both gay and satanic. I wish I was kidding. I needed years of therapy because of her.
Yes that 80s satanic panic was so fun wasn't it? A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace
@@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929n high school I wanted to start a band called satanic panic and capitalize off of the joke with over the top satanic joke music. It was going to be a cross between gwar and manic Hispanic.
Without Suicidal Tendencies, we wouldn't have the cultural fusion of the hardcore, death metal, and thrash scene today going on. Bands like Drain, 200 Stab Wounds, Judiciary, Frozen Soul, Enforced, Sanguisugabogg, Harm's Way, Code Orange...and the fact all these bands tour together and embrace each other's music. Even OG's like RATM owe a nod.
@@a_ya5555There was a band called Against from Venice around the same time as Suicidal. They worshipped Discharge and had the big spikey hair.Very obscure but you can find them on RUclips.
You didn't mention this, but their guitar player was the first time I ever saw a 7-string Ibanez guitar, in their video for "You Can't Bring Me Down". And then a few years later, every band from Korn and Limp Bizkit to the Deftones were using them as standard. I love that crunchy 7-string guitar sound.
@@MicheleMcAdoo Between a 6-string guitar in standard tuning, and a 7-string guitar in drop d tuning? Yes, absolutely. Listen to a Korn song and then listen to a Green Day song and you'll notice the difference in guitar tones real quick.
@@Laurikiwi Wrong. We're on youtube already bro, they show it in the first 3 seconds of the video. You didn't put the video on and double check before making this comment??? Come on man, you've gotta be better than that.
I saw Suicidal Tendencies live in 2007 and I loved it. A middle aged Mike Muir still had that same raw teenage anger and rebelliousness. Really awesome.
The funny thing about the punk and metal animosity from back then is that it was just the fans who hated each other. For the most part, a lot of the bands got along reasonably well. They shared rehearsal spaces and went to each others' shows and generally had the respect for each other that comes from people all doing the same thing.
Your dedication to your craft is pretty impressive! You manage to sound like somebody who grew up in any genre you cover. Even Though I know you Weren't there BECAUSE I WAS THERE, But god damn you do your due Diligence Great vid. What a trip down memory lane.
No, first album that he's talking about is straight up hard core. In 1989 the album was re-recorded and the vid for institutionalized. On headbanger's ball some time in 490s they didn't call the original frontier album an abortion, but did say that the new album is the one they prefer. As for the host, he's just not good.
I really love this band. I'm not sure we can call it "the band that linked metal and punk", since there were others who explored that idea before (like Motorhead) but they sure brought that union alive at their gigs more than anyone else.
GBH also. I think this guy tries to do a good job, but he needs to ask people who were around when a lot of this stuff actually went down. There is not much reliable info because the best stuff wasn't mainstream.
My friend Louie was the bass player on the 1st 3 albums. Now he does shows With His band LUICIDAL he does the O.G. suicidal songs that he co wrote. I think he recently hosted a couple of tours at the new punk rock museum in Vegas recently with Fat mike and has a couple of his bass guitars there. Ive been a hardcore fan since 1987. Whooooo this is cool. 🎉❤😊 thanks. SUI4LIFE
Louie was the man, he co wrote alot off the first two albums which were their best albums. I wish he would of stayed in the band. I remember he fronted a band called Uncle Slam for a while
Luigi is the man, and even though a lot of people, especially management, got mad at Amery because he wouldn't play "dress up" any longer and left the band, those two were the original backbone of ST's sound. I grew up with Amery, friends since I was in 6th grade and I went through all grade school with Bob Heathcote, R.I.P. , Rick R.B. Batson and met Rocky before he joined ST, he was jamming with one of my best friends putting together a band. I also surfed and skated with Jay and got to know Jim from my friends and I skating the neighborhoods and Marina Skatepark. Two of my younger friends I skated with who ended up on DogTown team are Scott Oster and Aaron Murray. We all skated along with Pat Ngoho and Christian Hosoi. The '70s - into the '90s were some wild years growing up in Venice, Santa Monica, Playa Del Rey, Westchester, Marina Del Rey. It definitely wasn't like any place in the world. We were the world as far as we were concerned. Hahahahaha Westside L.A. Del Rey Deadchester Locs Be safe Brother
@@jlobiafra --- you are correct. Uncle Slam was Luigi and Amery, ST's original bass and drums. They had some good songs on that first album. Then I don't remember why they broke up. Amery told me, I'm sure but that was a very very long time ago. Amery also played in a band called The Brood. They were moving into the speed metal sound and then eventually Amery was hired by th Beastie Boys to be their tour drummer and stayed with them for about 15 years or so.
@@jlobiafra --- I don't think I do know those guys. I know a lot of musicians from the years both in LA and the Bay Area. Is that really you Jello or are you just using that name for your account?
ST opened my eyes to so much music. I would say ST and DRI did the most in exposing me to punk. I was a metal kid and the most punk thing I listened to was Dead Milkmen 😅. After hearing ST and DRI on Headbangers Ball I ended up getting both albums for my birthday. I remember using the video to "Possessed to Skate" as an intro to a speech I did in speech class on skating. 35 years later and I have quite the punk library......plus 30 second DRI songs were great for an ADHD kid.
@@vanhattfield8292someone didn’t watch the video. Crossover. All the best parts of metal and punk in one tidy little package. Some bands were more punky some were more metal. Even when they were well established ST were still considered more punk than metal despite their sound cos’ they had that edge and attitude, musically and aesthetically. It took a little while for the metal purists to accept ST. DRI was essentially a punk band. Their attitude and performance style was clearly diy based, with a stripped down to basics metal sound.
Yeah. I remember when Cro Mags came out with Best Wishes, and I was a little disappointed because it just sounded like they were copying Suicidal's sound.
As someone who was there .. from the south bay... I was fully punk by 1984...from my circles of punks, metal heads could openly rock ST....as a punk you had to be a closet ST fan... Till eventually ST was so badass you didn't have to hide it..
Rocky George is a legit amazing guitarist. Many of those riffs and solo's he did with ST are incredible. A personal fav riff of mine (probably because it was one of the first riffs I learned) was from the song waking the dead
Agreed on Rocky George, his style and approach were unique, but let's not forget Mike Clark who was a badass riff machine since 1988 for more than two decades. And Waking the Dead is originally from No Mercy's "Widespread Bloodshed" album that featured Muir on vocals and Clark only on guitar. When No Mercy disbanded _Brother Clark_ was offered to join ST and this actually transformed the band overall sound to the 80's thrash metal with hardcore punk base. "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow" is a perfect example of how Mike and Rocky complemented each other for good six-seven years.
@@rickg8015 Dr. Know is WAY underrated as well as Bad Brains. Would love if Rocky & Dr. Know did a band together as their lead styles are quite different from one another but their band's music are similar enough they could come up with some killer songs
Regardless of whether or not I like the music, I love the idea of having a band sponsor your video and share their music on your platform. Hope it’ll happen more often!
I'm 44 years old and was introduced to ST in the 3rd grade and a couple of years later had seen and fell in love with "Blood in, Blood out" and "American me!" My first CD was "Infectious grooves" the plague that makes yer booty move! I'm from the upper peninsula, Michigan! Suicidal has been everywhere for a long time!
I’ve always been partial to the Lights Camera Action album, one of my favorite albums ever produced, I’m 54 and I listen to it still to this day. The other albums are great, but this album was just a little more polished, and the guitar work is absolutely brilliant
One of the most underrated/unappreciated bands of all time. I myself in highschool and shortly after dressed like that. Graduated in 2000. I was introduced to Suicidal Tendencies by older brother in the late 80's and early 90's. I never really saw pictures or videos of the band. So I didn't know how they dressed. But I picked up on the style in the late 90's through music like Korn, Sepultura, Limp Biscuit, Deftones, and so on. It's cool to see who pioneered it. Much respect!!
Mike’s lyrics are incredibly philosophically deep. ST helped me navigate my way through the teenage years as kind of the “soundtrack” to my life, at the time.
GREAT VIDEO! I grew up in Venice and Santa Monica and going to shows from 85 to 95. I was at that MUSIC+ show. It was such a huge deal to get to see them again in LA County. Suicidal was a gang connected to V13 and were called Suicidal. They even had links to the LBC (Long Beach Crips) connected Sons of Samoa. Once when MTV interviewed Muir he said Suicidal was just a skate bmx thing and denied gang links. Soon after his folks skate shop Streets of Venice got thrashed by angry Suis and SOS who were pissed he denied ST's real gang roots. At local LA shows Suis used to run the pits period. They would roll in and run the floor. When the Sons of Samoa started going to shows more they repped Sui and SOS and ran pits. Shows from Oxnard to Reseda to Fenders in Long Beach and even OC had this presence at shows. Loved growing up where I did was an awesome time for Punk HC Metal. BTW your part about connecting their style and Cholo street style to fashion makes sense, but overall SOCAL/LA Gang culture is the true connection of to street wear. Travis Barker was from Fontana, CA and that is pure Socal Cholo culture he probably got his style from. IMHO Japanese got it from LA Cholos not Suicidal. BTW Cool link on the lineage of the Venice Suicidal Gangs. www.reddit.com/r/CaliBanging/comments/qlnrum/suicidals_gang_from_venice_and_west_side_crazys/
In junior high , I took a Sharpie to a dress shirt and crafted my own Suicidal shirt just like those on the cover. I believe my mom was called to the school for that episode.
There’s nothing like that first ST album. I’m still searching for the high I got listening to it for the first time. Took me on a journey. I never heard punk with that level of musicianship before. The solo in Two Sided Politics for example blows me away every time. Too punk to be metal, too metal to be punk… whatever it is it’s a masterpiece
Thats crossover. Probably the best crossover album and band. Only ones that came close were D.R.I, a good band, but even they fell short. Early ST was just something else.
LOVE this show dawg! You're covering EVERY genre in some of the BEST and insightful obviously researched, way I've seen in a minute. Kick ass work brother, keep it comin!🤘👊🤘😀
That song is thrashy as fuck though? Stands out a million miles from most of the rest of the songs on the debut album which is as you say far closer to straight up hardcore punk. A sign of the direction they would go in future.
Rob Trujillo didn't join Metallica just a few years after his ST debut. He was in Suicidal and Infectious Grooves all throughout the 90s and then played in Ozzy Osbourne's band for several years. He didn't join Metallica until 2003.
My mom was a skater and part of the metal and punk scene back during the 80s, and also being from California she is a huge fan of ST, even to this day she has been part of the ST family and great friends with many of them and the close people with the group like Marcus (ST Mangy) to name one (who I've also have had the pleasure to speak to and have as a family friend). its just surreal on how many people and bands ST has influenced and had an affect on in the years they've been around, I for one being only a 22yo myself, I see how big the impact and influence of ST is around the world and I appreciate them for that, not to mention all of ST are great people too, especially when you're lucky enough to get to know them
Suicidal was my introduction heavy music in 89. My little kid brain couldn’t comprehend what I was hearing, but I was loving every minute of it. Couldn’t agree more with how much pop culture changed because of their influence.
As a kid from Maryland Suicidal Tendencies was my gateway drug to punk rock in the late 80s. Which then opened me up to the DC Punk and hardcore scene. It was a good time to be young.
When I was little, I saw the blue rags and thought they all were crips lol. I didn't know about mexican gangs back then. I remember them being the first crossover band I heard. I really loved their earlier albums. I haven't kept up with them, but i'll have to check out their newer stuff.
No one who was actually there in '83 considered the Suicidal's first album to be a crossover album. You are correct - punk and metal were sworn enemies. And the Suicidal's album was considered straight up punk/thrash/hardcore. None of us considered it metal. More punk bands than you realize played thrashy leads. The album that had us feeling guilty for liking it was Metallica's "Kill "Em All", released at the exact same time. That was metal strongly informed by punk. That kicked off the crossover. You got into punk right around the time Mtv told you you were punk for liking "Smells Like Teen Spirit".
Same here. In the DC area, only Metallica and then some Anthrax were welcome at the skate ramps and it was rough accepting that the "grits" that were always starting shit with punks had some decent music. The second ST album had a lot of us questioning our strict metal vs punk affiliations, but no metalheads were listening the debut.
No disrespect to the Chicanos, but they weren't the only ones dressing like that. I grew up in South LA and the Cholos and the Brothers dressed like that all the time. It's still the way I dress sometimes.
Also Mike wrote really emotional, vulnerable, introspective lyrics that he got away with, imo, cuz of the tough guy aesthetics. So first emo band as well.
Awesome! Glad you mentioned their ear for musical talent. They've had quite the talented cats play for them, even more so in the last 10 years with more jazz/fusion related players like Thundercat, Eric Moore, and Thomas Pridgen. Their current drummer is Greyson Nekrutman who came up playing big-band and making instagram videos.
Saw ST at the Palomino in North Hollywood in 1987. There was a full on riot at that show. Place was surrounded by cops to break it up. Not sure but that incident may have led to their ban to play shows in L.A. for 5 years.
I remember the first time I saw them after being a huge fan for many years. They toured in support of Alice in Chains for the Dirt album. Any band that can open with You can’t bring me down and keep up the energy and power for the entire set is dooming the headliner to a miserable situation which is what happened. I’ve seen them on every tour since and been consistently blown away. Ive been luck enough to have met the classic line up and they were very kind and gracious with their time with photos and autographs etc. Criminally underrated band!
Jon Nelson, my cousin, was the one who wrote "War Inside My Head". I remember growing up, him playing in the band. It was a crazy time to be alive. I am suprised no one bothered to interview him.
They were the first band outside of mainstream to understand not only the power of a brand but how to do it. They created a blueprint that the majority of DIY bands now follow. They have had so many different band members however the brand is still the same, their albums differ but the Suicidal name remains strong.
It would be really cool if you made a video about the Japanese punk scene. Of course, you might not have any interest in this but I find this scene to be one of the most interesting in punk history.
Some guys mention this in the comments and I totally agree. Discovering Suicidal and going to their shows in Europe helped me through some really tough times when I was young. I could connect to them and I still do even though I am old now. To this day I still remember the friend I used to have who gave me a Suicidal Tendencies cassette. From this day on my life changed. In the Pantheon of punk and hardcore Suicidal still receives to less appreciation for what they did for the culture and most important for their fans. I am pretty sure that I'm not the only one who is still alive thanks to ST and Mike Muir. Thanks for the video, bro.
It's crazy to think about how strong the divide between punk and metal really was back in the 80s and 90s. Stuff gradually changed so much in the hc scene, these days it can be difficult to tell if certain bands are supposed to be hardcore or metal on first listen cuz the two genres are so cross-bred.
Actually 80s crossover bands made things much worse for the punk and metal feud, at least back then. It incited these two crowds that hated each other to be together more often lol. Typical mid-80s bills like Cro-Mags opening for Overkill always ended up in bloodbath.
@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I guess it depends on the location because in Philly 1995-96 I would go to punk shows and never had any trouble. Would hear the warnings that I'd get beat up and whatnot but it never materialized.
@@russellward4624 Yeah it depends on a lot of factors. For instance, a metalhead at a Bad Religion show in 90s Philly is totally different from a metalhead at a Negative FX show in 80s Boston.
@@russellward4624 Dude, you got lucky. When I arrived in 96' Skinheads would drive by and throw bottles at us outside the Killtime and Stalag. Then there were the hxc youth crew guys that just terrorized every one. It was a fu**ing nightmare. There was constantly fighting.
@@HappinessDIY I remember my first experience crowd surfing. I had seat tickets but told the security guy I got robbed in the bathroom for my wristband. 😆 SHIT WORKED!! I will never forget that night. 🤘
Ice-T has listed them as a big influence for Body Count, another great LA crossover band, but they started later. They have their own parody version of Institutionalized from about 10 years ago, only it's got his wife complaining about him playing too much xbox lol.
First band I saw live in 1990 as a 13 year old skate kid they were my favorite band than and still listen to them today! Robs debut was the Feel Like Shit EP he was credited as Stymee!
I've always been very interested in this band and as a non huge fan (I love their songs institutionalized and subliminal ofc because they're so popular) im stoked to learn about them
I will tell you what got me hooked on ST when I first heard their first album in the 80s and it was the fucking tight guitar riffs and solos of Grant Estes. He came in shredded then moved on. The album is great and I think his playing was a big part of that.
Grant Estes is the man behind those amazing , blistering solos. So fucking great.. I really only like the first LP, it's one of the few records I still have from my teens, bought it as soon as it came out, a best buddy of mine who went on to drum for a ton of local HC bands copied the goat head pentagram st shirt for me which I wore till it was threads ( RIP Steve). Favorite song is still Suicidal Failure. That said, Excel really killed it out of all those bands, the first two Excel records are ridiculously great.
great content here. my mom and uncles grew up in venice and my mom was in V13. all this culture was then passed down to me and why i still rock dickies and high socks to this day haha
I've lived in LA since 1988 and in dogtown for over 25 years. Venice is again a warzone and uninhabitable. It is SO dangerous there now. Someone just got stabbed to death yesterday on the SM Venice border, right on the beach.
I grew up in the late 70s, early 80s when punk and metal were so far apart that it was close to a different language. Suicidal Tendencies in the mid-80s was one of a few bands that crossed that chasm, but they weren't the first. Motörhead was the first band growing up that was accepted by both the punks and metalheads.
@@jessiemartinez3056 Death was an extremely obscure band, and also extremely ahead of their time. You are lucky to have known about them way back then. Most people are still unaware of them.
@@jessiemartinez3056 They were great for so many reasons - 3 African American brothers (same family); created great Punk before the Ramones and Pistols; from the Motor City - contemporaries of MC5 and Stooges. Too bad they didn't get the success they deserved. Rest In Power, David Hackney. Here's a great documentary: ruclips.net/video/bWP_fmRnDEc/видео.html
I Heard of these guys in 1986 when i was 13 years old,they were the first punk Album i Owned and it was a life changing moment . I would not be who i am today without their first album.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s in San diego and was heavy into the hard core punk scene. Ive been to a suicidal show band before they got real famous and man was it really wild.
Absolutely LOVE the early crossover bands like DRI, SOD, ST, Murphy's Law, etc., listening to it as it came out. We saw ST live at the lakefront in Milwaukee many years ago, right after Suicidal For Life came out. Great show, great performance, great set list. Craziest thing was, Mike Muir had recently broken his leg, and spent the entire show on a spraypainted couch, occasionally getting up on a set of crutches. Few people could ever pull off being a frontman for a metal band, broken leg, on a couch, and be high energy and entertaining. He did. I don't think they've ever put out a bad album, but yeah, CBH/FLSDJV is my favorite release from ST, too. They are so underappreciated!
I saw them open for Avenged Sevenfold and Atreyu at an arena show in San Diego in I think 2006 and even then their crowd was more violent than any I’ve ever seen. Guys with lit cigarettes and brass knucks in the pit. My buddy got knocked tf out during the first song and we had to just sit down in the seats til A7X played.
I'll admit I love Waking the fallen , but those two bands are not in the same vein as ST at all, especially Atreyu . I can just see the wedge haircuts and makeup, hot topic clothing... Ugh
I was in So-Cal in the late 80s and 90s as a teen on the streets. I remember us seeing a "Suicidal" the first time. It was like looking at the new animal at the zoo. We later befriended a few of them as we were very diverse as a group. If you werent around in the late 80s & early 90s you missed out on something special.
@@timorre3971 the internet would have been great for the first part of my teen years because i was stuck in delaware there were no skateparks and anything that wasnt top 40 was pretty hard to come by. in 91 we moved to houston and i got to see what civalization was like.i met bob burnquist there before he was famous. what a change for the better.i didnt know pantera but they were from the next town over from me and thats was when they became known.it was great shit like that never happens in delaware. i saw linda carter jogging down at the beach wooo lol
@@chrhadden Woa Linda Carter!! Nice! My 9yo crush. Yeah i hear ya..best we grey-hairs can do is appreciate the chance of knowing planet Earth before the webs. But yeah it would have been great for you then
I am from a very rural part of Northern England, most people are farmers. S.T. were about as far from my own life as is possible. They didn't speak to me on a level of, "These guys understand me and my life", it was more akin to a broadcast from an alien dimension, a revelation of a world which was simultaneously known and unknowable. It wasn't that I felt situated in the world they described so vividly, more that there WAS another world apart from the rain and the cows and the dark, sunless months of winter. In a strange way, I found their music to be hopeful; here was a world so different from my own, and just as nihilistic and doomed as to make me fit in perfectly. I loved the story and atmosphere, but without the Hollywood bullshit telling me it was going to be pleasant. Where I live, the sun is cold from October to March, so this music had a different kind of meaning. Prime Cuts will always be an escape to me
I'll be 50 this year. I was a skater kid in the 80's and this band was the opposite of "normal" and skating was most certainly a crime in the south. I listened to suicidal because I wasn't supposed to. 😂
Hey listen, my brother Kent Senatore is the skateboarder depicted in one of that artist dudes most famous works! And for years Jim Muir believed it to be Tony Alva! Who other than Jay Adams was the single most recognizable DogTown skater! Just some awesome Suicidal Tendencies trivia!
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Your videos are great, but I wonder why you never cover punk in Europe. I think it is a bit different than in USA, since many of us punks in Europe have members of families that were fighting in wars, in revolutions, that were slaughterd in concentration camps in WW 2 etc. Punk has much different flavour in Europe, than USA. It is much more a social and political movement than just a fashion. Check out France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Yugoslavia...
Thank you for doing the great work❤
Hej Finn, thank you for setteling a debate amongst some frmr 12:58 members both North aen South on the topic of "Suicidals". 💯 stay up hon
I remember in the 80’s we called metal heads “hessians” or “buttrockers” sometimes…though I loved thrash and some metal too. There was so much good music coming from all these places. It was the heyday of gangster culture, so music was naturally niched into its own click.
Great video! Except for the terrible band you plugged. Seriously that is a joke. ST followed by that?
It was one of the top 5 bands we(skaters) listened to in the mid to late 80's...in Florida
A true story for ST fans: Many years ago my brother-in-law Ernie the HUGE ST fan was struck down with a blood clot in his brain and was found by his daughter passed out on the floor. Soon, medical aid arrived and took him to the hospital. Ernie survived but with severe mental and physical effects. His full recovery took over two years. During his darkest days of recovery a friend wrote to ST and told them about Ernie's situation and what a big fan he was. A few weeks later a box arrived for Ernie with a personal note from the band members and hats and shirts and everything you can think of. Yet another reason to love those guys!
I believe it. They seem genuine. That’s a great story. Thank you for posting.
I second what Marky said.
That sounds like them
I third what Marky said
Can't stop the message....God bee with your brother-in-law and all the loved ones.
All he wanted was a Pepsi.
Beat me to it!😂❤
Nah man you got it all wrong. JUST ONE PEPSI!!
I wonder if they got any money from Pepsi?🤔
At my age, make that a diet.
AND SHE WOULDN’T GIVE IT TO ME
Rocky George is a beast of a guitar player and is so underrated it’s a crime. Love Suicidal!
Hell yes!!!! He was one of my biggest influences especially back in his ST days
“Tell them what’s up, Rocky!”
I own 4 Ibanez RG guitars, and for the longest time, I thought RG stood for Rocky George, lol. That's basically all he would play back in the day.
His work with Cro-mags is underrated as well. Dude can f’n play.
100%. His shreds are timeless.
As a Mexican Punk looking for people who dress like me and look like me ST was one of the first bands that made me feel comfortable and accepted got me into Hardcore Thrash and even 2000s Pop Punk
I am east european . I was born in Hungary. S.T opened my eyes in the early nineties. I through them found out about cholo culture and gangs. Back then we didn’t have Mtv just fanzines and movies and stuff, I fell in love with it right away. I was the only white cholo in my high school riding my board 😂 Now I think about it make feel a certain type of way, but back then it was my identity! I still love these dudes and I still love the cholo culture too. ❤
I would also like to add that before I discovered S.T i was into fuckin G’N’R and Van Halen and shit so without Suicidal I would have never came across N.Y.H.C or hard core culture in general. They were the first hardcore band I ever heard in my life and still my favourite!
Same.
Same… Mexican punks weren’t a thing in Houston when I was growing up. It took me finding early NYC punk to find ST and people that look like me in the music I like.
Yeah ! Bro.
A true story for ST fans. My first concert, 1986, Tulsa Oklahoma. My mom dropped me off. I was 12 years old but always the biggest guy in my class so my mom wasn’t scared for me. I walked into the Beat Club. I saw mohawks, skin heads, Doc Martens and “real” punks. I didn’t know anyone so I sat in the corner by myself waiting for the show. Freaking Mike Muir (my idol at the time) came over and sat next to me. He was drinking from a plastic cup with ice in it. He drank all the liquid and some ice was stuck to the bottom. The ice fell out, hit his mouth and fell to the floor. We both chuckled and I said “I hate it when that happens.” I knew I wanted to be a rock star from that moment on. Intolerance Records!
One thing about Suicidal Tendencies people overlook is their ability to connect lyrically with their fans. ST got me through a lot of dark times when I was younger. I'm not sure I'd be where I am today without those songs.
Can we know the songs specifically? I'm curious.
@@haleighhellfire321honestly....just pick one. There is so much insight lyrically into so many different mental health issues, whether Mike personally dealt with them or he just happened to observe them happening to folks around him, that they can't be ignored. Many can identify with these feelings and issues. He also spends a great deal of time delving into the power of positive thinking, recognizing hypocrisy, using independent critical thought to change personal outcomes, and finding community in a diverse group of friends who become family. Here I am, 48 years old, and a band I discovered as a disenfranchised, disaffected skater kid with a love of aggressive music STILL loving their records.
Gotta Kill Captain Stupid while by no means one of my favourite songs by S.T really planted a seed in my mind. Having this cool rock band telling an impressionable kid that all that dumb shit, getting drunk, doing drugs etc… was in fact,… NOT COOL was a great message that set in.
@@haleighhellfire321If I Don’t Wake Up is a good song for reference. But all their songs really do have some sort of message in them and I do appreciate that this band was more about self improvement rather than destruction.
@@haleighhellfire321 The album How Will I laugh Tomorrow... is a big one personally. It does a great job of realistically describing and addressing depression without pandering. It also works its way through a whole lot of darkness to an uplifting recovery without feeling like schlocky bullshit, and without lying or pretending that the darkness could never come back. I don't think Mike Muir ever described it as a concept album, but it's definitely got a theme throughout.
my mom was a skater in the 80’s so i grew up listening to her cassettes of Suicidal tendencies, Black Flag, Circle Jerks and MOD. ST was definitely my favorite!
Your mom sounds cool as hell
Captain Crunch, Captain Crunch, How I like to munch and munch....lol
You mom is/was badass
i saw your mommy 😁
@@tonyk1406
He’s inviting you to lunch!
Mike's lyrics got me through some tough times as a teenager. I will always be grateful for lights, camera, revolution.
Right there with you bro
Same here. Got kicked out of high school in 10th grade. "How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today" was huge to me as a disgruntled teen at the time.
@@magamaga1827 the heavy emotion version is one of my favorite songs
🎉🎉🎉🎉Yyyeessss🎉🎉🎉🎉
His voice too, it's one of a kind and it just pierces through you.
I worked security for Mike Muir. He’s a class act. Very humble. He’d stay to sign autographs for everyone after shows
i heard they never play LA anymore...any truth to that?
@@JimmyHandtrixxnah that was a long ass time ago they play now
Tall socks and short pants are the casual clothes of a distinguished gentleman
i still rep it
I was a skater in the 80s, and Suicidal Tendencies was always on blast in my backyard while we were riding my halfpipe. Anything fast and energetic was what we listened to, and ST provided some of the best songs to skate to!
I was a skater/surfer in the late 80s, still am to this day. Got say, I was only 10 in 88. My older cousin was super into it, and so I wanted to be. He grew out of it, and I didn’t. I always loved Suicidal based on the skate connection.
Same.. The Descendants and Minor Threat were two other bands that we rocked often.
Agent Orange. Their music was fucking designed to skate to. But Suicidal was up there too. JFA. Agression. Boneless Ones. RKL. Gang Green. MDC. Shit, we even skated to the B52's sometimes. Some of the best days of my life.
@@13JDOG666 Agent Orange always on the 1/2 pipe playlist
@@gundolarry Mandatory😉
ST's debut album was just a beast of speed and noise and black humor. Incredibly under rated band.
Wasn't it though! I loved that album!! Wait, was that lights, camera, revolution??
@@PavlovSkriniskalov The self-titled debut (1983).
They are literally as highly rated as a band can be 🤷♀️
These episodes delving into the history of a band/artist are my favorite
A badass band. One of a kind. Mike Clark and Rocky George were unreal guitarists. Lyrics were true to life. All songs were different and it'll always be ST!
I was in the suicidal tendencies when I was 15 years old as a skater when I first got into the punk scene before I started playing in bands. Their songs were anthems to us. Still are. Years later when I was working security at this place called The Ritz theater in Tampa has security at the dressing rooms.. infectious grooves came and that's when I met Robert Trujillo... And Mike was there... My heroes were standing right next to me!!! One of the coolest moments of my entire life!!
I was the rock/metal kid who discovered punk and hip hop as a freshman in high school in ‘85. Most kids couldn’t understand why I loved all of it and I couldn’t really explain. That first Suicidal album brought it all together for me.
@@ghost_mall Agreed. My metal friends made fun of me for listening to punk and my punk friends made fun of me for listening to metal. They all hated hip hop. That first ST album fused punk and metal and they brought the street/gang culture into the fold. As semi sheltered white kid I fell in love.
Again the song Join the Army was the first hybrid metal/rap song I've ever heard. At least three years before public enemy and anthrax
i bet they have ST tshirts they bought from amazon now lying about how much they loved it back then. i see that a lot these days and people dont know one song.
@@chrhadden I feel you fam but I’m too old to hate on posers. Besides it’s free advertising for the artists.
First album is the one. Not too into their later shit, but that self titled is IT. Join The Army is pretty dope too. Before the Mike Clark influence took over. They kinda lost me after How Will I Laugh Tomorrow.
It truly is a damn shame that Rocky George doesn't get the love that he should!!!🤘🤘🤘
whats rocky george a spin off?
@@chrhadden only the best guitarist ST ever had! And one of the best guitarists from the 80's!!
@@randywissler9923 yeah i looked him up.i should have known that. i might be missing a few brain cells after thirty or so years of beer.
@@randywissler9923 yes totally agree. Unique
Rocky didn't come up with the guitar parts of their big.songs. s.t.s earlier guitar players who were white did that
Thanks for letting us sponsor your video man :)
I feel like when Rocky George joined the band he took them to the next level with his guitar shredding skills and took them into the direction of crossing over into thrash. My dad turned me on to S-T around the same time I was learning guitar, and Rocky's solos are epic and were a huge influence on me because at the time I was solely into punk rock power chord playing mindset. Very underrated guitarist imo.
Suicidal was so influential and Institutionalized was some of the first sounds of the new emerging Punk/Hardcore sound coming out at the time. Growing up in an area where Chicano/ LowRider culture was huge---- Suicidal made so much sense to me. Absolutely seminal band that doesn't get all the credit they rightfully deserve
I’ll never forget how my mom FREAKED OUT when she found a suicidal tendencies album that I had borrowed in 1987 (I was in the eighth grade) She wouldn’t let me keep it in the house and made me set it on the front porch. my friend came over the next day, understandably perturbed because his album was covered in pollen. She thought because I had the record I was literally suicidal?!?
That was at the same time as the Judas Priest and Ozzy “kid suicide” panic and lawsuits…the media had parents petrified😂
My mom was even crazier. She assumed anything not pop music meant you were both gay and satanic. I wish I was kidding. I needed years of therapy because of her.
Yes that 80s satanic panic was so fun wasn't it? A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace
@@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929n high school I wanted to start a band called satanic panic and capitalize off of the joke with over the top satanic joke music. It was going to be a cross between gwar and manic Hispanic.
@@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929 damn now I know who took my shirts lol
Without Suicidal Tendencies, we wouldn't have the cultural fusion of the hardcore, death metal, and thrash scene today going on. Bands like Drain, 200 Stab Wounds, Judiciary, Frozen Soul, Enforced, Sanguisugabogg, Harm's Way, Code Orange...and the fact all these bands tour together and embrace each other's music. Even OG's like RATM owe a nod.
Disagree. There were bands like the middle class. Discharge, tsol and others way earlier
@@a_ya5555 Well, you're just wrong.
@@a_ya5555There was a band called Against from Venice around the same time as Suicidal. They worshipped Discharge and had the big spikey hair.Very obscure but you can find them on RUclips.
@@colico14 actually he nailed it..
@@colico14no one cares anyway man. It’s just fucking music. Listen to it. That’s it. That’s all folks.
You didn't mention this, but their guitar player was the first time I ever saw a 7-string Ibanez guitar, in their video for "You Can't Bring Me Down". And then a few years later, every band from Korn and Limp Bizkit to the Deftones were using them as standard. I love that crunchy 7-string guitar sound.
Rocky isn't playing a 7 string in that vid
Wow, you can TELL (hear) the difference, really??
@@MicheleMcAdoo Between a 6-string guitar in standard tuning, and a 7-string guitar in drop d tuning? Yes, absolutely. Listen to a Korn song and then listen to a Green Day song and you'll notice the difference in guitar tones real quick.
@@Laurikiwi Wrong. We're on youtube already bro, they show it in the first 3 seconds of the video. You didn't put the video on and double check before making this comment??? Come on man, you've gotta be better than that.
@@facerip2222 ty ✌🏽
I saw Suicidal Tendencies live in 2007 and I loved it. A middle aged Mike Muir still had that same raw teenage anger and rebelliousness. Really awesome.
The funny thing about the punk and metal animosity from back then is that it was just the fans who hated each other. For the most part, a lot of the bands got along reasonably well. They shared rehearsal spaces and went to each others' shows and generally had the respect for each other that comes from people all doing the same thing.
Honestly, I'm surprised it's taken this long for this video, thank you ThePunkRockMBA
hit the nail on the head with the punk-metal animosity
Your dedication to your craft is pretty impressive! You manage to sound like somebody who grew up in any genre you cover. Even Though I know you Weren't there BECAUSE I WAS THERE, But god damn you do your due Diligence Great vid. What a trip down memory lane.
No, first album that he's talking about is straight up hard core. In 1989 the album was re-recorded and the vid for institutionalized. On headbanger's ball some time in 490s they didn't call the original frontier album an abortion, but did say that the new album is the one they prefer.
As for the host, he's just not good.
I saw Suicidal at a small venue in Tokyo about 5-10 years ago. They were amazing. They played perfectly. They're old masters now.
I really love this band. I'm not sure we can call it "the band that linked metal and punk", since there were others who explored that idea before (like Motorhead) but they sure brought that union alive at their gigs more than anyone else.
And don't forget about Death from Detroit since around 75 76 man.
Don’t forget about DRI another punk metal crossover
GBH also. I think this guy tries to do a good job, but he needs to ask people who were around when a lot of this stuff actually went down. There is not much reliable info because the best stuff wasn't mainstream.
My friend Louie was the bass player on the 1st 3 albums. Now he does shows With His band LUICIDAL he does the O.G. suicidal songs that he co wrote. I think he recently hosted a couple of tours at the new punk rock museum in Vegas recently with Fat mike and has a couple of his bass guitars there. Ive been a hardcore fan since 1987. Whooooo this is cool. 🎉❤😊 thanks. SUI4LIFE
Louie was the man, he co wrote alot off the first two albums which were their best albums. I wish he would of stayed in the band. I remember he fronted a band called Uncle Slam for a while
Luigi is the man, and even though a lot of people, especially management, got mad at Amery because he wouldn't play "dress up" any longer and left the band, those two were the original backbone of ST's sound.
I grew up with Amery, friends since I was in 6th grade and I went through all grade school with Bob Heathcote, R.I.P. , Rick R.B. Batson and met Rocky before he joined ST, he was jamming with one of my best friends putting together a band.
I also surfed and skated with Jay and got to know Jim from my friends and I skating the neighborhoods and Marina Skatepark. Two of my younger friends I skated with who ended up on DogTown team are Scott Oster and Aaron Murray. We all skated along with Pat Ngoho and Christian Hosoi.
The '70s - into the '90s were some wild years growing up in Venice, Santa Monica, Playa Del Rey, Westchester, Marina Del Rey.
It definitely wasn't like any place in the world. We were the world as far as we were concerned. Hahahahaha
Westside L.A. Del Rey Deadchester Locs
Be safe Brother
@@jlobiafra --- you are correct. Uncle Slam was Luigi and Amery, ST's original bass and drums. They had some good songs on that first album. Then I don't remember why they broke up. Amery told me, I'm sure but that was a very very long time ago. Amery also played in a band called The Brood. They were moving into the speed metal sound and then eventually Amery was hired by th Beastie Boys to be their tour drummer and stayed with them for about 15 years or so.
@@13_13k did you know the guys in Excel? That was a great band.
@@jlobiafra --- I don't think I do know those guys. I know a lot of musicians from the years both in LA and the Bay Area.
Is that really you Jello or are you just using that name for your account?
ST opened my eyes to so much music. I would say ST and DRI did the most in exposing me to punk. I was a metal kid and the most punk thing I listened to was Dead Milkmen 😅. After hearing ST and DRI on Headbangers Ball I ended up getting both albums for my birthday. I remember using the video to "Possessed to Skate" as an intro to a speech I did in speech class on skating. 35 years later and I have quite the punk library......plus 30 second DRI songs were great for an ADHD kid.
Love bot bands but neither are punk, they are Thrash/Metal.
@@vanhattfield8292someone didn’t watch the video.
Crossover. All the best parts of metal and punk in one tidy little package.
Some bands were more punky some were more metal. Even when they were well established ST were still considered more punk than metal despite their sound cos’ they had that edge and attitude, musically and aesthetically. It took a little while for the metal purists to accept ST.
DRI was essentially a punk band. Their attitude and performance style was clearly diy based, with a stripped down to basics metal sound.
@@vanhattfield8292I guess you've never heard DRI first two albums, there's nothing metal about those albums
One of the most original and thankfully not often copied punk/thrash bands!😬👌🏼
Yeah. I remember when Cro Mags came out with Best Wishes, and I was a little disappointed because it just sounded like they were copying Suicidal's sound.
because you cant copy that. you cant even try to be like them without coming off a poser and getting laughed at until your 3in tall
I saw a kid on a train with Suicidal cap on four months ago in Vantaa, Finland. ST culture is vital and kick'n.
As someone who was there .. from the south bay... I was fully punk by 1984...from my circles of punks, metal heads could openly rock ST....as a punk you had to be a closet ST fan... Till eventually ST was so badass you didn't have to hide it..
Rocky George is a legit amazing guitarist. Many of those riffs and solo's he did with ST are incredible. A personal fav riff of mine (probably because it was one of the first riffs I learned) was from the song waking the dead
Never gets his due. My favorite and imo the best lead player out of that era's thrash players.
Rocky and Dr. Know are influential..
Agreed on Rocky George, his style and approach were unique, but let's not forget Mike Clark who was a badass riff machine since 1988 for more than two decades. And Waking the Dead is originally from No Mercy's "Widespread Bloodshed" album that featured Muir on vocals and Clark only on guitar. When No Mercy disbanded _Brother Clark_ was offered to join ST and this actually transformed the band overall sound to the 80's thrash metal with hardcore punk base. "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow" is a perfect example of how Mike and Rocky complemented each other for good six-seven years.
@@Robostomp I didn't know that! Good to know some history to some of those songs.
@@rickg8015 Dr. Know is WAY underrated as well as Bad Brains. Would love if Rocky & Dr. Know did a band together as their lead styles are quite different from one another but their band's music are similar enough they could come up with some killer songs
Regardless of whether or not I like the music, I love the idea of having a band sponsor your video and share their music on your platform. Hope it’ll happen more often!
problem is, their music is poorly mixed. Impossible to get a real feel for them when you can't hear the vocals over the guitar.
suicidal tendencies > rushing spring
lmao
@@YoungDeathWish Some really weird drum sounds too. Still, respect that they are reaching out in a unique DIY way
That was a nice way of saying that Rushing Spring was not the best choice for promoting a Suicidal Tendencies documentary.
@@RickReasonnz putting your music on to spotify and paying for an add = DIY. OK got it...
I'm 44 years old and was introduced to ST in the 3rd grade and a couple of years later had seen and fell in love with "Blood in, Blood out" and "American me!" My first CD was "Infectious grooves" the plague that makes yer booty move! I'm from the upper peninsula, Michigan! Suicidal has been everywhere for a long time!
My buddies and I use to watch blood in blood out religiously as young teens.
I remember that song Therapy that has Ozzy in it. Good cd. Groove Family Cyco was sick too. Rules go Out the Window.
Gimme some chon chon !!😂
I’ve always been partial to the Lights Camera Action album, one of my favorite albums ever produced, I’m 54 and I listen to it still to this day. The other albums are great, but this album was just a little more polished, and the guitar work is absolutely brilliant
"DISCO'S OUT, MURDER'S IN!!"
@@hekstoo5988 Zero clue who you are, but you fucking rock, and “DON’T BE EATING FRUIT LOOPS ON MY FRONT PORCH!!!”
@@F.A.F.O.818 🤣🤣🤣
One of the most underrated/unappreciated bands of all time.
I myself in highschool and shortly after dressed like that. Graduated in 2000.
I was introduced to Suicidal Tendencies by older brother in the late 80's and early 90's. I never really saw pictures or videos of the band. So I didn't know how they dressed. But I picked up on the style in the late 90's through music like Korn, Sepultura, Limp Biscuit, Deftones, and so on. It's cool to see who pioneered it. Much respect!!
Mike’s lyrics are incredibly philosophically deep. ST helped me navigate my way through the teenage years as kind of the “soundtrack” to my life, at the time.
Ditto... They were judged by their name when their music was ANTI suicide for those who struggled with a suicidal life.
Suicidal Tendencies was the first band I saw live when I was a teenager.
I love this band. I even have a ST logo on my hand 👌
The first band I ever saw was W.A.S.P. . Fucking Blackie Lawless and his boys put on one hell of a show.
Becareful with that if you get arrested it's a gang tattoo
@@roberthargrave3636 I think I'll be ok. I live in France 😁
I found that Finn never talked about BANE. I’m not from the states so I’ve no idea how big the band was but i always feel that it’s an important band
As an Aussie I’ve heard them before!
GREAT VIDEO! I grew up in Venice and Santa Monica and going to shows from 85 to 95. I was at that MUSIC+ show. It was such a huge deal to get to see them again in LA County. Suicidal was a gang connected to V13 and were called Suicidal. They even had links to the LBC (Long Beach Crips) connected Sons of Samoa. Once when MTV interviewed Muir he said Suicidal was just a skate bmx thing and denied gang links. Soon after his folks skate shop Streets of Venice got thrashed by angry Suis and SOS who were pissed he denied ST's real gang roots. At local LA shows Suis used to run the pits period. They would roll in and run the floor. When the Sons of Samoa started going to shows more they repped Sui and SOS and ran pits. Shows from Oxnard to Reseda to Fenders in Long Beach and even OC had this presence at shows. Loved growing up where I did was an awesome time for Punk HC Metal. BTW your part about connecting their style and Cholo street style to fashion makes sense, but overall SOCAL/LA Gang culture is the true connection of to street wear. Travis Barker was from Fontana, CA and that is pure Socal Cholo culture he probably got his style from. IMHO Japanese got it from LA Cholos not Suicidal. BTW Cool link on the lineage of the Venice Suicidal Gangs.
www.reddit.com/r/CaliBanging/comments/qlnrum/suicidals_gang_from_venice_and_west_side_crazys/
These kinds of videos are so underrated! Such a cool way of combining music history with social commentary, history and pop culture!
i love that you're having independent/ up and coming bands sponsor your videos. Stays true to your roots and i dig that
In junior high , I took a Sharpie to a dress shirt and crafted my own Suicidal shirt just like those on the cover.
I believe my mom was called to the school for that episode.
There’s nothing like that first ST album. I’m still searching for the high I got listening to it for the first time. Took me on a journey. I never heard punk with that level of musicianship before. The solo in Two Sided Politics for example blows me away every time. Too punk to be metal, too metal to be punk… whatever it is it’s a masterpiece
Thats crossover. Probably the best crossover album and band. Only ones that came close were D.R.I, a good band, but even they fell short. Early ST was just something else.
That album is amazing, every song hits hard. Memories Of Tomorrow, Subliminal, Fascist Pig and Won't Fall In Love Today are my favorites
I loved DRI. I listened to a lot of Exploited too which became kinda metal. Excel wasn't bad either.
@@davidpack4867 The last time I saw ST DRI was the opening band. It was a great show.
Yeah their debut album is great, but I also really like "Lights, Camera Revolution". Sure it is a more polished album but the songs are top level.
LOVE this show dawg! You're covering EVERY genre in some of the BEST and insightful obviously researched, way I've seen in a minute. Kick ass work brother, keep it comin!🤘👊🤘😀
Honorable mention their song being played in the 1st Iron Man movie too. When Tony is working on his car in the garage.
Respect to finn for promoting an up and coming indie band like Rushing Spring, they’re good too
Yooo thank you man ❤
agreed, keep the scene alive, by supporting indie artist.
Punk really IS dead these days to be honest.
Institutionalized is still one of the greatest songs of the 80s.
@@ghost_mall I'm from the 90s and always thought that song was from the 90s, very surprised to learn it's from '83 !
I didn't like the punk stuff just the Thrash.
all you have to do is count the remakes and al yancovich type parodies. ice t even knows the words to that song
The songs guitar parts written by previous s.t. guitarists. Not rocky george
That song is thrashy as fuck though? Stands out a million miles from most of the rest of the songs on the debut album which is as you say far closer to straight up hardcore punk. A sign of the direction they would go in future.
Rob Trujillo didn't join Metallica just a few years after his ST debut. He was in Suicidal and Infectious Grooves all throughout the 90s and then played in Ozzy Osbourne's band for several years. He didn't join Metallica until 2003.
And BLS
My mom was a skater and part of the metal and punk scene back during the 80s, and also being from California she is a huge fan of ST, even to this day she has been part of the ST family and great friends with many of them and the close people with the group like Marcus (ST Mangy) to name one (who I've also have had the pleasure to speak to and have as a family friend). its just surreal on how many people and bands ST has influenced and had an affect on in the years they've been around, I for one being only a 22yo myself, I see how big the impact and influence of ST is around the world and I appreciate them for that, not to mention all of ST are great people too, especially when you're lucky enough to get to know them
Well done. How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is something very special. Caught in the nexus of the 80s-90s music and culture transition. \ST/
Suicidal was my introduction heavy music in 89. My little kid brain couldn’t comprehend what I was hearing, but I was loving every minute of it. Couldn’t agree more with how much pop culture changed because of their influence.
As a kid from Maryland Suicidal Tendencies was my gateway drug to punk rock in the late 80s. Which then opened me up to the DC Punk and hardcore scene. It was a good time to be young.
When I was little, I saw the blue rags and thought they all were crips lol. I didn't know about mexican gangs back then. I remember them being the first crossover band I heard. I really loved their earlier albums. I haven't kept up with them, but i'll have to check out their newer stuff.
No one who was actually there in '83 considered the Suicidal's first album to be a crossover album. You are correct - punk and metal were sworn enemies. And the Suicidal's album was considered straight up punk/thrash/hardcore. None of us considered it metal. More punk bands than you realize played thrashy leads. The album that had us feeling guilty for liking it was Metallica's "Kill "Em All", released at the exact same time. That was metal strongly informed by punk. That kicked off the crossover. You got into punk right around the time Mtv told you you were punk for liking "Smells Like Teen Spirit".
Agreed. I always called that album thrash, as did everyone else I knew who heard it.
Same here. In the DC area, only Metallica and then some Anthrax were welcome at the skate ramps and it was rough accepting that the "grits" that were always starting shit with punks had some decent music.
The second ST album had a lot of us questioning our strict metal vs punk affiliations, but no metalheads were listening the debut.
Damn finally someone giving Chicanos the actual credit we deserve for some aspect of pop culture in the world.
Yea it was weird to us here in NYC. We could never figure out where ST got their look. We thought it was cool though.
YES!!
Mexicanos don't need any credit.
@@rubios996 He said Chicanos.
No disrespect to the Chicanos, but they weren't the only ones dressing like that. I grew up in South LA and the Cholos and the Brothers dressed like that all the time. It's still the way I dress sometimes.
Also Mike wrote really emotional, vulnerable, introspective lyrics that he got away with, imo, cuz of the tough guy aesthetics. So first emo band as well.
oh shit your right
That's a great point. I never saw it that way.
S.t. people would get brutally beaten up by the oc punks back in the day. Was no contest
@@a_ya5555LMPs had Mike dead to rights according to the book but let him slide by just knocking him out
@@bigmoon1698 Nothing surprises me.
ST! ST! ST! Great band. They survived a hard transition from skate punk to metal and stood their ground.
Awesome! Glad you mentioned their ear for musical talent. They've had quite the talented cats play for them, even more so in the last 10 years with more jazz/fusion related players like Thundercat, Eric Moore, and Thomas Pridgen. Their current drummer is Greyson Nekrutman who came up playing big-band and making instagram videos.
Saw ST at the Palomino in North Hollywood in 1987. There was a full on riot at that show. Place was surrounded by cops to break it up.
Not sure but that incident may have led to their ban to play shows in L.A. for 5 years.
Great Video, I very much enjoyed the history run down, I have been a fan of theirs since my sister brought their first album home back in 1984
I remember the first time I saw them after being a huge fan for many years. They toured in support of Alice in Chains for the Dirt album.
Any band that can open with You can’t bring me down and keep up the energy and power for the entire set is dooming the headliner to a miserable situation which is what happened.
I’ve seen them on every tour since and been consistently blown away. Ive been luck enough to have met the classic line up and they were very kind and gracious with their time with photos and autographs etc.
Criminally underrated band!
lmao rocked the house all the way out and wore the crowd down for the main act.if that isnt an accolade i dont know what is.
I learn more stuff from this channel that I use more than I ever did from school
Well yeah, that’s why it’s the MBA. You just got your basic degree in school.
One of my favorite crossover thrash bands ever. I love punk music and metal and they nailed it.
Jon Nelson, my cousin, was the one who wrote "War Inside My Head". I remember growing up, him playing in the band. It was a crazy time to be alive. I am suprised no one bothered to interview him.
They were the first band outside of mainstream to understand not only the power of a brand but how to do it. They created a blueprint that the majority of DIY bands now follow. They have had so many different band members however the brand is still the same, their albums differ but the Suicidal name remains strong.
So capitalism?
My whole group of friends in highschool were Sui fans!! ‘88 till we graduated in ‘91. I still jam to them at 50.
Great video!🤘
Class of 91🤙
C/O '91 here too!!!!!! ST fan 4-EVER!!!
It would be really cool if you made a video about the Japanese punk scene. Of course, you might not have any interest in this but I find this scene to be one of the most interesting in punk history.
Not historical but otokobe beaver and maximum the hormone are the fuggin best
I seen ST many times back in the early middle 80s you fought for your life in those shows . Still one of my favorite bands .
Some guys mention this in the comments and I totally agree. Discovering Suicidal and going to their shows in Europe helped me through some really tough times when I was young. I could connect to them and I still do even though I am old now. To this day I still remember the friend I used to have who gave me a Suicidal Tendencies cassette. From this day on my life changed. In the Pantheon of punk and hardcore Suicidal still receives to less appreciation for what they did for the culture and most important for their fans. I am pretty sure that I'm not the only one who is still alive thanks to ST and Mike Muir. Thanks for the video, bro.
It's crazy to think about how strong the divide between punk and metal really was back in the 80s and 90s. Stuff gradually changed so much in the hc scene, these days it can be difficult to tell if certain bands are supposed to be hardcore or metal on first listen cuz the two genres are so cross-bred.
Actually 80s crossover bands made things much worse for the punk and metal feud, at least back then. It incited these two crowds that hated each other to be together more often lol. Typical mid-80s bills like Cro-Mags opening for Overkill always ended up in bloodbath.
@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I guess it depends on the location because in Philly 1995-96 I would go to punk shows and never had any trouble. Would hear the warnings that I'd get beat up and whatnot but it never materialized.
@@russellward4624 Yeah it depends on a lot of factors. For instance, a metalhead at a Bad Religion show in 90s Philly is totally different from a metalhead at a Negative FX show in 80s Boston.
@@russellward4624 Dude, you got lucky. When I arrived in 96' Skinheads would drive by and throw bottles at us outside the Killtime and Stalag. Then there were the hxc youth crew guys that just terrorized every one. It was a fu**ing nightmare. There was constantly fighting.
@@ridingincirclesyeah well.back in 1988 shit was cool at a anthrax show with s.o.d and gorilla.biscuits
My first-ever concert was Megadeth suicidal tendencies.
Such a great experience
Wow! That was my first show as well! Small world. I was 14.
That was like 92-93, right?
@@Jake-sw3ss yeah I was in 8th grade I think..... The old Sam Houston coliseum here in Houston. It's not around anymore but it was an awesome venue.
@@HappinessDIY I remember my first experience crowd surfing. I had seat tickets but told the security guy I got robbed in the bathroom for my wristband. 😆 SHIT WORKED!! I will never forget that night. 🤘
@@D-Town-7639 Sounds awesome. I saw them in Salt Lake City at the Salt Dome. My neck was sore the next day from headbanging. Lol
Ice-T has listed them as a big influence for Body Count, another great LA crossover band, but they started later. They have their own parody version of Institutionalized from about 10 years ago, only it's got his wife complaining about him playing too much xbox lol.
Your music knowledge is so well rounded I respect it
good work Finn, your mini docs are getting better & better. keep up the good work
First band I saw live in 1990 as a 13 year old skate kid they were my favorite band than and still listen to them today! Robs debut was the Feel Like Shit EP he was credited as Stymee!
I've always been very interested in this band and as a non huge fan (I love their songs institutionalized and subliminal ofc because they're so popular) im stoked to learn about them
Legit, Subliminal is one of my all time favorite songs. It's crazy how good that song is .
@@ruckbeat It really is an amazing song, they hit it out of the park and into the river with that one
In 1991 a rift opened up in the spacetime continuum and I saw Suicidal Tendencies open for Queensryche. It was a pretty good show.
I saw that tour too locally. Shit, I had forgotten that one. Wasn't a huge Quernsryche fan but they were alright.
they all pioneered the fusion between thrash and rap. from thier album "lights, camera, revolution" the track "you can't bring me down". awesome band.
I will tell you what got me hooked on ST when I first heard their first album in the 80s and it was the fucking tight guitar riffs and solos of Grant Estes. He came in shredded then moved on. The album is great and I think his playing was a big part of that.
Grant Estes is the man behind those amazing , blistering solos. So fucking great.. I really only like the first LP, it's one of the few records I still have from my teens, bought it as soon as it came out, a best buddy of mine who went on to drum for a ton of local HC bands copied the goat head pentagram st shirt for me which I wore till it was threads ( RIP Steve). Favorite song is still Suicidal Failure. That said, Excel really killed it out of all those bands, the first two Excel records are ridiculously great.
Easily one of the best videos you have put out. I love the editing.
Among all the other things this band has been responsible for in music, it also gave us Thundercat.
i never heard of that either.ill check that out too
great content here. my mom and uncles grew up in venice and my mom was in V13. all this culture was then passed down to me and why i still rock dickies and high socks to this day haha
Love that you brought these guys up!❤ such a good band
I've lived in LA since 1988 and in dogtown for over 25 years. Venice is again a warzone and uninhabitable. It is SO dangerous there now. Someone just got stabbed to death yesterday on the SM Venice border, right on the beach.
Oh damn! I haven’t been there since pre-covid
Be careful green light on Santa Monica, that is why they don't get along anymore
let’s not forget that Thundercat was playing in Suicidal way before his solo stuff. Mike really has an eye for talent.
I grew up in the late 70s, early 80s when punk and metal were so far apart that it was close to a different language. Suicidal Tendencies in the mid-80s was one of a few bands that crossed that chasm, but they weren't the first. Motörhead was the first band growing up that was accepted by both the punks and metalheads.
Totally. Motorhead for the crossover win. And the first DK record was the album that brought me to punk from metal. That was before thrash.
Naw I was listening to Death the Detroit band back in 76 and to me that was more.crossover before S.T.
@@jessiemartinez3056 Death was an extremely obscure band, and also extremely ahead of their time. You are lucky to have known about them way back then. Most people are still unaware of them.
@@fifteen8 yes I freaking love that band..cool that you jam them also..sux alot of folks do know about em ..weird huh
@@jessiemartinez3056 They were great for so many reasons - 3 African American brothers (same family); created great Punk before the Ramones and Pistols; from the Motor City - contemporaries of MC5 and Stooges. Too bad they didn't get the success they deserved. Rest In Power, David Hackney. Here's a great documentary: ruclips.net/video/bWP_fmRnDEc/видео.html
I Heard of these guys in 1986 when i was 13 years old,they were the first punk Album i Owned and it was a life changing moment . I would not be who i am today without their first album.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s in San diego and was heavy into the hard core punk scene. Ive been to a suicidal show band before they got real famous and man was it really wild.
Absolutely LOVE the early crossover bands like DRI, SOD, ST, Murphy's Law, etc., listening to it as it came out. We saw ST live at the lakefront in Milwaukee many years ago, right after Suicidal For Life came out. Great show, great performance, great set list. Craziest thing was, Mike Muir had recently broken his leg, and spent the entire show on a spraypainted couch, occasionally getting up on a set of crutches. Few people could ever pull off being a frontman for a metal band, broken leg, on a couch, and be high energy and entertaining. He did. I don't think they've ever put out a bad album, but yeah, CBH/FLSDJV is my favorite release from ST, too. They are so underappreciated!
I saw them open for Avenged Sevenfold and Atreyu at an arena show in San Diego in I think 2006 and even then their crowd was more violent than any I’ve ever seen. Guys with lit cigarettes and brass knucks in the pit. My buddy got knocked tf out during the first song and we had to just sit down in the seats til A7X played.
Sounds like your buddy learned a lesson that night.
Lmfao too funny what you expect at a S.T. show..those other bands are garbage
I'll admit I love Waking the fallen , but those two bands are not in the same vein as ST at all, especially Atreyu . I can just see the wedge haircuts and makeup, hot topic clothing... Ugh
I was in So-Cal in the late 80s and 90s as a teen on the streets. I remember us seeing a "Suicidal" the first time. It was like looking at the new animal at the zoo. We later befriended a few of them as we were very diverse as a group.
If you werent around in the late 80s & early 90s you missed out on something special.
and the young are failing miserably trying to replicate it.they dont have a clue what being real is.
@@chrhadden One sure thing is that the internet took away all the mystery and adventure for them. They found no use for raw curiosity.
@@timorre3971 the internet would have been great for the first part of my teen years because i was stuck in delaware there were no skateparks and anything that wasnt top 40 was pretty hard to come by. in 91 we moved to houston and i got to see what civalization was like.i met bob burnquist there before he was famous. what a change for the better.i didnt know pantera but they were from the next town over from me and thats was when they became known.it was great shit like that never happens in delaware. i saw linda carter jogging down at the beach wooo lol
@@chrhadden Woa Linda Carter!! Nice!
My 9yo crush. Yeah i hear ya..best we grey-hairs can do is appreciate the chance of knowing planet Earth before the webs. But yeah it would have been great for you then
I am from a very rural part of Northern England, most people are farmers.
S.T. were about as far from my own life as is possible.
They didn't speak to me on a level of, "These guys understand me and my life", it was more akin to a broadcast from an alien dimension, a revelation of a world which was simultaneously known and unknowable.
It wasn't that I felt situated in the world they described so vividly, more that there WAS another world apart from the rain and the cows and the dark, sunless months of winter.
In a strange way, I found their music to be hopeful; here was a world so different from my own, and just as nihilistic and doomed as to make me fit in perfectly.
I loved the story and atmosphere, but without the Hollywood bullshit telling me it was going to be pleasant.
Where I live, the sun is cold from October to March, so this music had a different kind of meaning. Prime Cuts will always be an escape to me
I'll be 50 this year. I was a skater kid in the 80's and this band was the opposite of "normal" and skating was most certainly a crime in the south. I listened to suicidal because I wasn't supposed to. 😂
Great video. My first show was a ST concert in 1986. One of the most terrifying experiences but so good.
Hey listen, my brother Kent Senatore is the skateboarder depicted in one of that artist dudes most famous works! And for years Jim Muir believed it to be Tony Alva! Who other than Jay Adams was the single most recognizable DogTown skater! Just some awesome Suicidal Tendencies trivia!