In my own head-canon, the Syracuse's star-drive was from batch II (maybe batch III) that was pushed into service quickly during the Dominion War, making her a war vessel as she was not built with civilians in mind. Her saucer-section was likely hopelessly trashed or destroyed, and thanks to Starfleet Politics, her star-drive section was forgotten about at a Starbase until sometime when Geordi took charge of the Restoration of the Enterprise-D. It would explain why the Enterprise was much more powerful against the Borg this time around than when she faced them during the TNG-era; not to discount the Borg Cube being in a significantly weak condition in "The Last Generation" giving the Enterprise better odds.
The Syracuse nacelles also has the phaser strip along the top of the nacelle, which was a feature of later Galaxy-class ships (Though the *Enterprise* was admittedly upgraded with this feature) which always suggested phase II or later, and it would make sense that she was one of the Dominion War Phase III ships rushed into service, since if you were to choose which ships to keep in service, you'd likely choose a fully-outfitted science vessel with all the requisite facilities and interiors over a 60% empty shell strapped with extra guns and shield generators. It would also explain the weapon systems issue (As they were obvious PHYSICALLY quite functional) as Geordi would have had to get Dominion War era weapon systems to talk to the original *Enterprise* bridge control systems and software.
This is exactly How I've been thinking of it too. Towards the end of the war, Dominion ships regularly undertook Kamikaze runs, particularly against capital ships. A Jem 'Hadar fighter slamming into the Syracuse' saucer would knock the ship out of the fight but might leave the star drive section relatively intact. With the end of the war and drawdown of forces and ships, the damaged but salvageable star drive section would be in mothballs until someone (Geordi) found an appropriate use for it.
throw in the fact that the Soong Brothers are all fused together in an updated body, and everybody has an additional 30 years experience under their belts...
Yes this youtuber didn’t do a cursory google search for the significance of the name as this fact came up as the first entry when searching for “syracuse history.” Naming a galaxy class starship after an American city doesn’t make a lot of sense.
While I agree its unlikely, the Lexington, Yorktown, Saratoga, the 3 Texas class ships, and the ENTIRE California ship class (at least 70 odd ships) would disagree with it being impossible. @@jp93309
I believe the number on the Syracuse to be a mistake on the part of the effects department. Instead of NCC-17744 it should have been NCC-71744 which would fit into the numbers always given to Galaxy class ships. They seemed to pay a lot of attention to detail, and I have a hard time believing they would go with such a low number on purpose.
I like to think that the registry number we see is an amalgamation between the Enterprise and the Syracuse. The engineers at the museum were busy removing and putting in the Enterprise's registry number at the same time as removing the Syracuse's.
Another possibility is that the Syracuse was a non-commissioned unit, and a 'parts donor' and/or test asset for active ships, similar to what the STS Endeavor was before they turned it into a flying example after the loss of Challenger. So the low hull number would be due to it being technically built before even the pathfinder hull, but it did not give the class the name due to it not being commissioned (or possibly even named) until well after.
unfortunately it's probably some kind of injoke; as much as i love Lower Decks and Picard Season 3 they fluctuate *wildly* between "attention to detail" and "yeeeeee-haaa!" when it comes to registries. It can certainly be explained (like a legacy registry that wasn't deemed cool enough to play with the Registry-Letter kids) but it's probably like that one time Nagilum made a Galaxy Class with four numbers and an -E.
The TNG technical manual says that six were built in the initial run and 6 more spaceframes were built and left incomplete. I always imagined that those 6 spaceframes were hurriedly built out during the Dominion War.
Ya it makes no sense that 6 were left incomplete..they weren’t specifically warships with a war ending and the federation didn’t go away so why would they not finish them eventually regardless? But let’s pretend that continuity was a strength of Star Trek 😂
@@FS2K4Pilot I think more likely they were waiting on the performance information from the original six. The technical manual indicates there was a lot of reticence in producing the Galaxy due to the unprecedented amount of automation and complexity in the design.
In DS9 we see several Galaxies with a black rear neck section. Something akin to the sovereign's dark panels perhaps. The filming model for these shots was an ERTL model used for a few episodes just prior to the introduction of a cgi model. These may be either late block II or even the start of a block III and incorporate sovereign technologies.
@@defies4626 incorrect, they were new 3 foot VFX models used for deep background shots made out of model kits, tehre are photos of them available. They are definitely _not_ the 4 foot D as by the time of Ds9 season 5, the model was on a promotional tour for Generations and had just gone missing at the ti
Great video. I had not made the connection of USS Challenger's hull number before -- NCC-71099. A nice nod to the Orbiter Challenger who's designation was OV-099
This is awesome. I once spent a bunch of time in 1991ish digitizing the D using a bunch of 2D photos taped to a digitizer tablet and photogrammetry software running inside AutoCAD. Huge point cloud resulted. Then I started connecting the dots with 3D rectangles. Never quite finished skinning the model though, so it’s amazing to see someone else do it from scratch!
I like your explanation of conservation vs. restoration. It does have historical precedence. In the US Navy, the battleship USS Kentucky was to be the 6th and final Iowa class battleship (the 5th being USS Illinois) but was never completed. Of the Iowa class battleships, there were to be 3 runs of 2. Iowa and New Jersey were built and commissioned first, then Wisconsin and Missouri 1 and 2 years later, respectively. Illinois and Kentucky were never completed and for a time plans were considered to make them aircraft carriers. Instead they were stored in the mothball basin of Naval Station Philadelphia as unfinished hulls to be used for repairs of active ships. Then, in 1956 her sister ship USS Wisconsin (now a museum ship in Norfolk, Virginia by the way) collided with another vessel and suffered extensive damage to her bow. In order to repair the Wisconsin, the Navy removed Kentucky's bow and grafted it to Wisconsin and has been part of it ever since. The rest of Kentucky was ultimately scrapped in 1958 whereas the Wisconsin and her 3 other sisters were mothballed and reactivated three times, the final time being reactivated in 1986 - over 40 years after they had been originally built. So, in effect the Kentucky and Wisconsin were almost an inspiration for the producers and writers of Picard season 3 to bring back the Enterprise D.
@@edwinarnold4865 they were originally supposed to have been but were laid down as Iowa class because of wartime priorities. They might have actually become Essex class aircraft carriers as well. The Navy during that era was changing priorities and the battle of Coral Sea changed Navy doctrine. Congress wasn’t going to give blank checks anymore so in order to not throw money away so they had to basically change things midstream in production. This continued on into the 1950s as the Cold War commenced. I served on Forrestal (the first “supercarrier”) and there were rumors that it was built on a battleship keel in 1951. Indeed, even its design was changed mid production. This is in stark contrast to how Newport News basically churned out Nimitzes every 4 years for 40 years like they were cookie cutter carriers and gradually altered the design with each iteration so that they could conceivably move on to the Ford class without having to completely retool- but even then they doubled the costs and extended the production times. Military spending nowadays looks incredibly wasteful in comparison.
@@kwaktak the last two Iowa class battleship that were laid down were cancelled and their unfinished hull were used for a new class supply ships called AOE those two hull would become u.s.s Sacramento AOE -1 and u.s.s. Camden AOE -2 I was stationed on the u.s.s Sacramento
It's possible that Syracuse was one of the MANY unfinished Galaxy-Class ships that were pressed into service for the Dominion war. These ships were not yet outfit with full interiors, or the amenities we see on the Enterprise. Most of their interior volume was incomplete. These ships were made functional enough to fight, loaded with extra weaponry, and torpedo stores, and thrown at the Dominion fleet. because Starfleet was COMPLETELY unprepared for a conflict of that scale. It was a crazy time, where they were pulling antiques out of the mothball fleet, and fielding whatever they could. If Syracuse was one of these incomplete Galaxies, it's not unreasonable to suppose that she was SEVERELY damaged in an engagement with the dominion, and slated for scrapping.....which is how Geordi would have gotten his hands on it. Given that it was incomplete when fielded, and essentially a hulk, he could have it repaired, and have the interior finished in a period-appropriate fashion, without having to change much.
Now the Syracuse was established in the eye of the beholder back in TNG that's where Terry metallic and his crew got the name and registry number but for the script that was never established as a Galaxy class but that puts the Syracuse at roughly the same time frame of the Enterprise D so she was either one of the original six ships according to canonical sources
@@TheDogGeneral "so she was either one of the original six ships" or.....? Now, while it's true that U.S.S. Syracuse is on a personnel file in TNG, there is no registry number attached to it, and no on-screen information about what class this ship is. In beta-canon, there is a colony ship with that name, but that's beta canon. There is zero mention of the Galaxy-Class U.S.S. Syracuse NCC-17744 until The Picard S3 episode "Vox", demonstrating that it was created for the show.
@@numberyellow a one-off or she was constructed when the Yamato was destroyed if it follows real-world Naval conventions Starfleet would have wanted to preserve at least six operational galaxy-class Starships if they were going to maintain six Active vessels the possible theory that hasn't been correlated it could be the Syracuse was constructed to replace the Yamato. But there's no proof of that her registry number is also an enigma it is an outlier it is in a 17,000 series when the rest of them are in at least the 71,000 series with the exception of the Enterprise in the USS Galaxy hard to say at this point when the USS Syracuse was established back in the eye of the beholder in a file of some Personnel of one of the minor characters it wasn't established as a Galaxy class ship now here's the kicker once she has been now the question is when and where does she come into Commission. As I see it simply logical to conclude that she was one of the original six ships given when she was established given what we know with her lore whether the first or second batch evidence would seem to point to the first
@@TheDogGeneral Yes, but like i said in my last message, and you acknowledge, The Syracuse mentioned in the personnel file is not established to be a Galaxy-Class. furthermore, restating from my last message, the registry number never shows up until "vox". The Syracuse mentioned in the personnel file could have been anything. It's far more likely that the Syracuse mentioned in the file was an older ship that was decommissioned (perhaps that's even why the guy got transferred to Enterprise), and then the Galaxy-Class Syracuse was a new Galaxy, built during the dominion war era (or slightly before. There is on-screen evidence to support this possibility as well), given the same name as the older ship. But you are right, the registry IS an inconsistency, as it seems to be in a range of numbers that came BEFORE the ones of the other ships of the class....which would seem to imply that it's a legacy registry, with no suffix, which is also entirely out of place.
I think the reason all the galaxy classes have registry numbers so close to each other, in the 71,000s and 72,000s, is that (as the original technical manual said) they built all six and maybe more of the structural frames at the same time and, then built the ships out overtime, so they all would’ve had fairly close registry numbers, even though they were metered out into service Over a decade or two. And they might not have been finished in registry order .
Indeed, not being finished in order of hull number / registry number has real world - historical foundations. A number of USN Essex class carriers, heavy and light cruisers as well as Fletcher and Sumner class destroyers were completed or commissioned out of order with the rest of the class. Battleship Wisconsin (BB 64) was laid down, launched and most importantly commissioned and ready for action before Battleship Missouri (BB 63) as an example.
@@Revkor The registry codes tell us all we need to know about which was build in which order. Challenger (71099) Galaxy (70637) Odyssey (71832) Venture (71854) Yamato (71807) Obviously Galaxy was first, followed by Challenger, Yamato, Odyssey and Venture. The Enterprise-D is the only wildcard due to her legacy suffix.
@@Revkor Adorable that you used the _fake_ Yamato's registry. Something _the producers_ outright stated was a _mistake._ Go watch Contagion. The Yamato's registry is labelled as 71807 in her technical readouts.
@@housecoatgaming ifthe registry was fake would have been a clear sign the ship was fake. so no this was mike okuda beign a dick so I reject his retcon
I always assumed that the Syracuse was one of the later batches of upgraded Galaxy Class ships that was in the Dominion War and its saucer took heavy damage. Because if you look in S3 episode 10 of Picard the Bussard collectors have three highlighted dots where the OG star drive section had two. Plus I’ve seen others point out that the hull plating pattern is slightly different. (That could be just summed up to CGI versus a practical model.) Even some of the concept art shows that the saucer and star drive section having noticeable different hull colors. The original model had more of a blue green-ish grey appearance from afar where later seasons and series were more grey. The later is attributed to the change of model sizes with them commissioning a smaller more manageable one to film.
LaForge also mentions there needing to be a "ton of hull work left to do." When we see it take its place at the museum, the damage to the saucer from its battle in Generations is repaired and the star drive hull now matches that of the saucer. It's likely the Syracuse was a later ship (probably from the Dominion War) that was repurposed to replace the missing Star Drive of the Enterprise. We know most of the original Galaxy class ships were destroyed and therefore no batch I's may have been available by the time LaForge became the curator of the museum. He stated he had been rebuilding it over 20 years, but we do not know when the drive section became available. The ship might have been destined for the scrap heap until he saved it.
In Season 1 of the garbage picard series the Enterprise d in picards dream had 3 lights under the forward nacelle endcap, this was likely done because discovery has 3 on it's nacelle. In the original continuity the Enterprise D hand 2 bussard collectors under the forward nacelle endcaps. It's even in the blueprints of the ship. The real world reason for this was because the 6 foot model had 2 lights sources under the endcap. The people working on nuTrek don't care about star trek or any continuity. In the trash picard series you can see the Hologram of the Enterprise d has shuttle bay 2 and 3 the same size, that's just stupid. Same stupid problem in most shots in the 3rd season of the trash picard season, the only time the shuttle bays were correct was the shot of the Enterprise D approaching Jupiter. In the scenes where the ship was flying around shooting at the cube the shuttle bays where wrong again.
The color difference comes from The D's Saucer having gone through entry on Veridian III and cooking and charring the hull as a result. No to mention the thousands of tons of dirt it slid through.
Based on my reading of the Star Trek Encyclopedia my headcanon on the original six are Galaxy, Yamato, Enterprise, Odyssey, Venture, and Challenger, but this was very well researched and you make a convincing argument for what the original six were!
There were 14 Galaxy-class starships that appear in one shot in Sacrifice of Angels (DS9 S6 Ep06). By that point, the Yamato, Odyssey, and Enterprise had all been lost. So, there were at least 17, probably 18, with three batches of 6. My head canon had these names for the first 12: USS GALAXY NCC-70637 USS YAMATO NCC-71807 USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-D USS ODYSSEY NCC-71832 USS VENTURE NCC-71854 USS RANGER NCC-71861* USS MAGELLAN NCC-71098 USS CHALLENGER NCC-71099 USS FEDERATION NCC-71100* USS ASCENSION NCC-71101* USS COLUMBIA NCC-71102* USS DISCOVERY NCC-71103* *my additions USS SYRACUSE, I say was in Batch 3.
It's within a 10-second clip where the fleet engages the Cardassian-Jem'Hadar fleet. It's just after Sisko speaks and the attack begins, it's the shot that begins at 0:09 and ends at 0:19. Blink and you'll miss the first one's warp nacelles exit screen left. ruclips.net/video/X0N16g-_LV4/видео.html
@@TheWoblinGoblin @TomBatemanRT85 - I've noticed this myself, when SOA came out I remember rewinding, pausing, frame by framing it to try and count alllll the different Galaxy's on screen. The fact that there are 14 or so in that shot alone.. the Enterprise, Yamato, Odyssey AND Admiral Hansen's BoBW's Galaxy all being destroyed ANNND that these ships are from the combined Second and Fifth fleets (the Ninth was still a day away and couldn't make it to the battle) There had to be way more than just 1, 2, 3 or even 4 "batches" of the Galaxy. A) we don't have an actual end number, for the number of Fleet groups in Starfleet. The highest I remember hearing was 9th fleet.. but not hearing 10th, 12th or 14th doesn't preclude it. B) If we presumed that it DID preclude it.. we have other things to consider as well.. like the other 7 fleets.. (1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th,8th & 9th) - ALL the Galaxy's wouldn't be just in the 2nd and 5th fleets. Its Reasonable to assume that they're -roughly- distributed -roughly- similarly throughout the total fleet.. some numbered fleets may have a couple more.. a couple less, but it's fair to assume that each fleet had.. at least 8. Then.. there is the 3rd fleet which as we were told on a few occasions, was a special fleet. 3rd fleet was tasked with Defending Earth and surrounding territory.. (likely Vulcan as well) If I was a fleet planner during war time.. I'm gonna have that 3rd fleet as my strongest. And in that time frame, that means more Galaxy, Defiant and Sovereign class ships.. It's reasonable to assume 10 to 12 in the third fleet alone.. And all of the above, is assuming that the 14 we see in the Charge Scene in SoA was ALL the Galaxy's in those combined fleets. Its reasonable to believe some are simply out of our ability to see because they've charged ahead.. are further to starboard or further back. Simply.. I think they Built a dozen frames, filled out six (batch one) as test ships. The Galaxy launched first.. it went ok for the year.. they launched the other 5, after another year, no serious design flaws were found, they filled in and launched the second set. And it makes sense.. They were still in the middle of the unseen Cardassian war, they had to maintain a fleet along the Romulan Neutral Zone where every ship which is confronted is ALWAYS a D'Deridex - Starfleet would need to match what they see from their counterparts, else risk those counterparts saying "lol Miranda Class ? ok.. lets invade". I think after the second batch (the first full dozen) had launched, they just went into full blown production of them. Going by the Excelsior's example, they know / we know that this ship should have a service life of at -least- 100 years.. likely longer barring a fatal flaw. She would be the new backbone of the fleet for decades to come and you can't be the backbone without numbers. So.. in closing.. Safe to say at least 80 Galaxy's were built.. I personally believe a couple hundred.
Perhaps in-universe the Syracuse is named for a ship of some historical significance between 2024 and 2363. Maybe a Syracuse played a pivotal role in the Earth-Romulan War, for example
I wouldn't be surprised if the original "challenger class, Challenger" was destroyed or totalled on Worf 359, and the next Gallaxy off the line got named Challenger.
This would make sense. I would imagine a number of ships lost at Wolf 395 had their names reassigned to ships that were already planned, or possibly already under construction, with different names.
it would follow with history too, at least US history CV-5 and CV-10 were both USS Yorktown, CV-5 being the one that gave the class name to CV-6(Enterprise) and CV8 CV-8 and CV-12 were both USS Hornet CV-2 and CV-16 were both USS Lexington CV-7 and CV-18 were both USS Wasp CV-10 was supposed to be the Bon Homme Richard CV-12 was supposed to be Kearsarge CV-16 was supposed to be Cabot CV-18 was supposed to be Oriskany DD-459 and DD-724 were both USS Laffey, DD-459 was a Benson class destroyer, and DD-724 was an Allen M Sumner class CV-2 was sunk at Coral Sea, CV-5 at Midway, CV-8 was sunk at Santa Cruz, CV-7 by sub transporting reinforcements for Guadalcanal, and DD-459 at Guadalcanal USS Laffey DD-459, actually helped rescue survivors of USS Wasp CV-7 Wasp is actually the most reused name in US Naval History, with 11
@@artbrann This doesn't even touch on the Cassin and Downes situation. The two destroyers burned down in drydock Dec 7. The Navy salvaged their machinery, shipped it to a yard in San Francisco, and built two entirely new destroyers making use of the machinery. The new ships? Cassin and Downes, with the exact same hull codes as the ones lost at Pearl Harbor. :D Also, there's USS Princeton, CVL lost to IIRC kamikaze, that got upgraded to naming an Essex. Or Langley (CV-1) that got a second life as an Independence-class CVL. The USN in WW2 was big on reusing ship names, possibly in part as a way to mess with Japanese Intelligence gathering on whether a ship was actually sunk. And of course, USS Canberra, named after a heavy cruiser sunk off Savo Island. An Australian heavy cruiser. US Navy, you do you. :D
@@nekophht it was already getting a bit long the USN was absolutely trolling, USS Shangri-La CV-38 which played into the interview with President Roosevelt and the launch point of the Doolittle raid and they just commissioned a new USS Canberra(if you consider like 7 months ago just)
We know bridges are modular and can be "unplugged" from the saucer and easily upgraded. My head canon is before Generations, the bridge was upgraded in the Enterprise for the Dominion War, hence 2 new tactical stations on the sides of the bridge and the older bridge (from TNG) was retired; most likely the bridge itself went into the Fleet Museum as a display. It would make sense. Then after Generations, the new Enterprise bridge was destroyed and the saucer salvaged. Starfleet would've scrapped it but Commodore LeForge saved her and put the saucer in docking bay 12 of the Fleet Museum. While where, the Generations bridge was unplugged and scrapped and the TNG bridge reinstalled. LeForge repaired the underside of the saucer and the Enterprise saucer was introduced as a display. Then the USS Syracuse's saucer was destroyed and the stardrive section was damaged during the Dominion War, and with new designs coming out, it was deemed not cost effective to make a new saucer and refit the Syracuse. So upon LeForge's request, the she was donated to the Fleet Museum. There, LeForge married the Enterprise saucer and Syracuse stardrive and spent the next 20 years rebuilding the Enterprise.
I'm not sure if this is true or canon, but I've heard that the Galaxy class started with 12 ships. 6 fully built and commissioned and another 6 hulls with unfinished interiors being held in reserve. Then with the Dominion war, those 6 reserve ships where brought online and Starfleet ramped up Galaxy production. These "Dominion War" Galaxies differed by the addition of phaser strips atop the Warp Nacelles and largely unfinished interiors, said to be only about 40% finished, in that many of the amenities such as as holodecks and civilian spaces were left out in order to get these new Galaxies out the door and on the frontlines as fast as possible.
@poiujnbvcxdswqwell, there were a couple of Voyager prequel novels written by Jeri Tsylor, a producer on the show. She then used her position to declare them canon.
@poiujnbvcxdswqthere's a ToS technical manual as well as something called "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise". As nest i know, both are considered "backstage" sources and neither is canon. The DS9 and Voyager tech manuals have some odd incongruities with the shows.
I'm with you on the name. I did think about how silly it was for our heroes to take the entire joined ship into battle when that star drive could've maneuvered more safely inside that Borg...thing....without the wide saucer.
Have to remember several things with that scene. First they were already engaged in combat with the cube, i doubt the cube would sit and wait for them to complete a separation, the enterprise was weaving and dodging incoming fire. And second time was a huge issue, they didnt have any spare time to pull back to a safe distance, and do a saucer separation, they were under the gun and had to go now or never. I do agree it would make sense to take just the stardrive in, but under the circumstances it makes sense they couldnt.
@@joshuakrieski9628 I was thinking maybe they could just leave the museum with just the stardrive in the first place, but as someone else commented, maybe that part wasn't even ready to go by itself.
While that was likely a possibility, they had no idea at the time they were going to have to navigate INSIDE a massive borg cube, so again no real reason to separate the ship.@@danandtab7463
This might give an answer on if the Syracuse was in the original Galaxy’s built (from memory alpha): As noted in his personnel file, after serving on the USS Philadelphia, Alfonse Pacelli was assigned to the Syracuse on stardate 40276.2. (TNG: "Eye of the Beholder" from an okudagram) Assuming this is true, I think the 40276.2 stardate puts it around the early 2360’s (not that Stardates are always consistent…) This means the Syracuse was indeed probably an original batch Galaxy. And I assume its name is a reference to the ancient city in Sicily
@@Revkor the hull color could be easily explained. For one, the Enterprise saw much more action likely so its hull would naturally be more deteriorated. Plus it crashed into a planet and still has some visible damage, and we see in the concept art that they tried to differentiate the two. We don’t know how long the Enterprise sat on the planet, but the ship’s hull could have corroded or oxidized or something while on Veridian 3. It could have also been from one of the many weird encounters the enterprise throughout the 7 seasons had that discolored the hull slightly, who knows Or Geordi could have also just not gotten around to putting a fresh coat of paint on the saucer. Or more likely, they just have differently colored hulls… Starfleet doesn’t usually build two ships to be completely identical, we usually see a lot of variation even across a single production run of ships. The NX-01 and NX-02 were sister ships but had completely different hull colors, and hell just look at the hull of Discovery vs other TOS era ships. The technical manual even talks about Galaxy class ships being testbeds for lots of new tech. They could have been testing different alloys or paints.
@@johnsledge3942 I point to the last one. while Geordi clearly hasn't had time to do fresh coat of paint. we do see a darkening of ship hulls even from Voyager. her hull is more bluish grey then Enterprise D was. so meaning between E-D's launch and Voyager's launch they changed something. different blend or refining who knows. But this is why i point to Syracuse not being a batch one ship. Let's look at the senario. Geordi needs a new stardrive to restore her. there is not goign to be many galaxys that will donated. Yet Syracuse is used why? that stardrive is not being used. likely in a surplus yard. Why is it there. likely damaged badly and not worth repairing at the time and now why would a Galaxy not be worth to repair. not worth the investment. And what kind of galaxy would not be worth it. A DW Rush Galaxy. Dw rushers are bare bone Galaxys. besides key systems they only have the basics. I bet quarters are similar to an excelsior or even a defiant depending. with lots of empy space. so one of these gets badly damaged and the war has ended for she can be repaired so why they don't scrap her they leave her in a mothball yard just in case. and that is where Geodri gets her. he mentions issues with one of the nacelle covers so i bet Syracuse lost her saucer and got hit in the engines late in the war.
putting that stardate into a date converter spits out April 11th, 2363; this supports that the Syracuse is most likely a Batch I (and was likely launched while the E-D was undergoing her "Sea Trials" before her October 2363 Commissioning making the Syracuse the 4th Galaxy Class ever built.)
'Engines and nacelles' are from the USS Syracuse according to Georgi. He didn't say Star Drive Section. That sounds to me, as if he builded a new secondary hull 'bit by bit' and as the Syracuse was gettin' an upgrade he intergrated the old compunds into the new frame. He says "the hull plating of the nascelles is a nightmare", which shouldn't be the case if it is the complete secondary hull of the other ship.
Then it would as much the Syracuse as the Enterprise. Makes more sense to me if the Star drive section is rebuilt from new or salvage or spares. The complicated stuff, engines and deflector, nacelles, etc. came from a donor ship.
@@CrazyFool75 note this has been a side project for Geordi. he has his hands full rebuilding the saucer intertior. so getting a nearly intact stardrive makes things easier
@@Revkor Maybe, but that’s not what the script says. And since in Star Trek, only what happens on screen is considered canon, we must assume that only the nacelles and engines are from the Syracuse. Besides if the curator of the fleet museum can also lay his hands on a sizeable load out of photon torpedoes with armed warheads, then almost anything is possible…
@@CrazyFool75 he commands a starbase those would be easy to get. the build from scratch an entire stardrive. I doubt. and the fact one ofthe nacalles was givign him trouble it's likely a damaged stardrive. damaged from when. likely DW thus making her likely a DW rush job Galaxy
Very nicely done It is shame they didn’t name the first “phase” (more on that in minute) after the space shuttles. Star Trek: Enterprise was on course to do just that but was cut far too short. Your suggestion of “batches” is very similar to the rail fan term “phases” to describe the minute visual changes in production units that we not recognized by manufacturer but were visible to the the eye of enthusiasts……
@@Revkor obviously this fanmade video series isn't canon, but I believe also in the show they actually used the Galaxy Class battle bridge as background for Hanson. It would make sense if he commanded the fleet from a Galaxy Battle Bridge ruclips.net/p/PLuhckVF3wY0Bm69sC_hjmkY-9YxIo4WWd&si=gwtsr7bnI0psMWDo I know, in the show he was transported via Excelsior class to the Enterprise, it may even have been the Hood, which is named regularly in fleet lists for Wolf 359
In Star Trek when a name for a ship becomes available it's usually stuck on to whatever ship comes out of the shipyard next. The Enterprise is an exception given how illustrious the name is. So the name was saved for the next most advanced ship to come out of Star Fleet. The Names of Discovery and Venture may have very well been used at the time of Batch one while Syracuse was available. And Syracuse isn't exactly some random name of a town. It's the name of a very famous College in America and the town was very famous for being the mainstay hub for the Erie canal as well as a huge railroad hub second only after NYC at the time. The Goddess Diana is also one of the symbols of the college. Dianna being the Latin Goddess of the Moon, Light, and the open sky. Appreciate for a ship bearing the college's name. Also one thing you forgot to take into account is that ALL Galaxy class ships received a wartime refit during the Dominion war. One of these refits gave them phaser strips on their nacelles to cover them from kamikaze Jem'Hadar (A lesson hard learned from the Odyssey's fate.). So excluding the Venture because it had added phaser strips is not a good reason to exclude it from the list.
Great video lots and lots of research I'm impressed my idea about the Syracuse was they evacuated the saucer section and separated and used it to Ram some other ship, in a way to trick whomever they rammed with the saucer section that would make the most sense to me how else would they have a Star Drive available but then I had always thought a third in a Cell was just a nasal that was added for test purposes and not really used in Flight I was totally wrong I guess😊
The USS Challenger had the saucer seperated during the battle of wolf 359. Admiral Hanson commanded the star drive section, to fight in the battle (Hence why we briefly see him on the battle bridge). So for the future challenger it makes sense they would have had to do what they did to the Enterprise-D. The saucer was still around, so all they did was give it a stardrive section.
Challenger wasn't there. and if Hanson was on the battle bridge why didn't they use the battlebridge set. it was prepped and ready to serve in that role for that very episode
As stated in the ST Next Generation technical manual 12 Galaxy-class space-frames where constructed with the first six completed as operational spacecraft and the latter six dismantled into large sections before being secreted away as spares (No doubt with the hull-plating too). These later six were almost certainly completed as War Galaxies during the dominion war and it's very likely more were built (Certainly the Yamato and Odyssey needed replacement aft they were destroyed) and commissioned.
I strongly doubt that Hanson were on Galaxy class. No Galaxy starship were available for Wolf359. That episode airing when Gene Roddenberry still alive. Galaxy class battle bridge were only mentioned in the script, referring as the set of bridge they are using for the show. We knew , that in order to fit w/ the budget, they are also using Galaxy class battle bridge with minor different make up to simulate other ships as well. (ex: Nebula class). No indication he's in Galaxy class for the entire of two episodes. No Galaxy class were shown on DS9's Wolf359 flashback either. More, the bridge set showing TMP era's red alert symbol, indicate he is in 23th century starship. Lastly, we knew when they show Galaxy class starship, they only use her main bridge as these set were the most well known layout.
Ships gathered at Syracuse for the battle of Tripoli :Constitution, Enterprise, Constellation and Intrepid. (war of 1812). Then of course we can add aircraft carriers, Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown and independence.
Allegedly Admiral Hanson was at Wolf 359 in a Galaxy class, which at the time would have been a Phase 1 - I believe it went un-named in the shooting script but he was speaking from the Battle Bridge set, so assumptions were made. JTVFX called it the Auriga in his recent CG remake of the battle.
In one of the books, so definitely secondary canon at best, Riker is told that several of the bridge consoles on the Sovereign Enterprise, were taken from the wreck of the Enterprise-D's saucer section. A general salvaging of parts might explain the changes to the bridge we see in Star Trek: Picard.
I believe the bridge module are interchangeable. They are made to be able decoupled and removed from primary hull. Between “All good things” and “generations” starfleet build a new bridge with the new layout we saw in generations. Giving the opportunity for the original bridge to be set aside for future adaptation. Forgotten enterprise bridge module was picked up by Gordi and placed upon the recovered saucer. Giving us the classic bridge set we all grew up with.
Good callback, Admiral Hanson's ship was, according to the script for Best of Both Worlds, a Galaxy class - they just didn't have the budget to make every aspect of the script present on screen. It's good enough for me.
@@s2k997 but again even ifthey couldn't visually show a Galaxy the battle bridge was set up to be the battle bridge for this episode so why not use it. we just see hanson in a charir with some railings and a screen flashing red alert. and the last time we saw him he was using an excelsior
@@Revkor I cannot be sure, but I have a guess - audiences get confused. Safer to put him on a bridge that obviously wasn't a look-alike of the Enterprise D's bridge to avoid the viewer getting muddled and their brains hurting too much if they were pretty thick. It makes sense, production wise, to have it look visually distinct so our less smart brethren can easily see "He's clearly not on the hero ship". This switch out trick was done time and again on TNG, where the script called for a simple redress and the director changed it to something more visually distinct to help thickos follow the plot by simple visual cues; such as the famous last minute swap of the Star Gazer from a constitution vs constellation class - because they thought they were worried stupid viewers would see the ship, think it was the Enterprise A, and then get sad/complain there was no Kirk and Co., only the ship. I'm happy to go with the simple production logic that they had the bridge visually distinct for viewer comprehension reasons aka "having an identical bridge to the hero ship on a non-hero ship, in an episode already involving a lot of ships, could hurt too many stupid people's brains, lets make an insignificant visually clear deviation what the script calls for at a surface level". I'm also not entirely convinced it isn't necessarily a Galaxy battle bridge either - is it that unthinkable that it could look different, considering how many wildly different bridges we've seen on the Excelsior class? For all we know, the old fashioned alert screen could have been down the the Admiral's personal preference, it's hardly rocket science to change a display to appear how the flag officer wants his flag ship to be stylised. Or it could have been simply down to that very reason, it was configured differently because it was a fleet command ship, as opposed to the very rarely used battle bridge of a deep space explorer. Would explain why the Enterprise D's battle bridge is incredibly spartan, they didn't think it was too relevant in the assigned diplomacy/explorer role and did a bare bones job. The class is designed to be reconfigurable and with loads of empty space to suit its intended individual purpose after all. It's not like we didn't see the Enterprise D get different bridges over time. Hence, I'm happy to lean into what the script says. Nobody else needs to be though...
USS Challenger was right after the destruction of Enterprise. She was in the novel Star Trek: Return. The book where Captain Kirk was revive by the Borg. Riker even mention why did they bother putting a computer on the ship when her captain was a Vulcan.
In general ships of the same class have a theme to their name choices. For instance, American space shuttles were always named after vehicles of exploration, Though other schemes were put forward. For instance, at one point they were thinking about naming them all after constellations. And there was a where they were thinking about naming them after American Indian tribes. American battleships were always named after states. After World War II, when it became apparent that battleships were obsolete and nuclear missile subs were the new heavy hitters, American nuclear missile subs started to be named after states, as a way of symbolizing that they had inherited the stature of battleships. American subs are generally named after cities. American aircraft carriers used to be an named after anything that was handy, the USS United States, the USS Kitty Hawk, the USS Constellation, the USS Enterprise, etc, but eventually that boiled down to them only being named after presidents and admirals. And nowadays, it seems like they are only going to be named after presidents for the foreseeable future. Of course Starfleet is not the United States Navy, but the naming scheme from next generation on always seemed pretty random to me. In TOS the Constitution Class seemed to be named after WW2 warships.
Excellent video. From what I have come to gather, I believe USS Syracuse was Batch II, but I’m not locked into that. I like to believe she was critically damaged during the Dominion war, particularly at the Second Battle of Chin’toka (Breen intervention), where he Stardrive would be salvaged. There was a persistent Dominion theme throughout Picard Season 3 and Geordi may have suggested hiding at the Chin’toka scrap yard because of his familiarity with his “Bay 12 Hobby” project. Venture definitely is Batch II. The nacelles have the same modification, albeit reversed from “All Good Things” Enterprise, which I hope to see more Galaxies done into a third batch even in limited numbers. We need to get a look at the CG models for the Utopia Planetia scenes where a few more Galaxy Class starships are seen. I believe Batch II is probably larger or there is a third batch, when you factor Call to Arms and new ships in spacedocks.
I think it would have been a cute nod to have written it so that that stardrive section used was from the Galaxy-class USS Discovery, to give a little shoutout to the show of the same name and its role in bringing back televised Star Trek, but Picard S3 was far too heavily-invested in nostalgia-tripping references from 30 years ago to consider something like that, so we got stuck with the Syracuse as just sort of a weird non sequitur name.
In The Cage, Pike says that he is from Mojave, California, which is shown to be a very large city. Today, Mojave is a small town of about 1000 people in the middle of the desert. So, perhaps by the 24th century, Syracuse has grown into a major city, especially if New York took heavy damage in WW3. Or, it could be named after the ancient Greek city in Sicily, sticking with the Odyssey theme.
When it comes to the USS Yamato - due to production staff errors, in "Where Silence Has Lease", Cmdr Riker reads the Yamatos registry as NCC-1305-E, whereas in "Contagion", the Galaxy Class Yamato has the registry number NCC-71807)
The triple bussards precludes it from being a batch 1, a lot of us in the community believe she was a Dominion war build that was severely damaged in the war and eventually fell into the possession of Commodore LaForge.
My head canon is that the whole Discovery name was embargoed because of the official way Discovery was "destroyed" so it was classified until a certain period of time in the same way the official secrets acts works at Bletchley Park (code breaking facility for second world war based in the UK)
The number of Galaxy's gets muddled in DS9 with the "Galaxy wings". Some fan theorys say many of them were full of voids, missing all the scientific suites etc etc The Galaxy grew in power and capabilities as it matured, but building more may be due to ease and familiarity over consideration for the anti- Borg fleet program. More likely they were a Klingon war and Dominion Cold War build up of assets that could later be refit to the standard mission profiles.
In series - the Galaxy class Yamato was most likely named after the WWII Yamato - but IRL - the Galaxy class Yamato was named after Space Battleship Yamato as a homage to the 1970's Anime Series. It's possible it could've been named after the Space Battleship Yamato in both though. :)
My headcanon: The initial 6 were named after the NASA Space Shuttles. Challenger, Enterprise, Columbia, Discovery, Atlantis & Endeavour. It was an 'honorable' batch. Not counting the lead prototype USS Galaxy. The Syracuse may have been the next one, after that meant for the serialized production of the Galaxy-class. Most of the Syracuse's stardrive hardware were more compatible to mate with the Enterprise saucer making it the perfect match
I've always found it odd that there's consistency in the naming of the Galaxy class. You'd think that with the name Galaxy, the ships would be named after different galaxies or something along those lines. As far as the time taken to commission the Enterprise goes, it's not that unbelievable for her to have taken longer than her older sisters. There could have been issues/problems that were found in the first 2 Galaxies and so the Enterprise was delayed as the shipyard had to temporarily halt construction on the Enterprise and go back and correct those issues. Sif memory serves, something similar happened with the sister ships of the Titanic, After the Tetanic sank White Star, the owners of the Titanic and her sister ships, hurriedly had her sisters, which I believe were still under construction, retrofitted with additional safety measures based on lessons learned from the Titani's sinking. One last thing, a more proper name for batch would be flight, that's what the US uses to distinguish a group of ships class in the of the same class built to one spec from another of the same class built to a different spec. So the first 6 Galaxies could be considered to b Flight I Galaxies, and any subsequent Galaxies could be considered Flight II and on. It's also not too uncommon from ship's of the same class and Flight to differ slightly from another based on lessons learned from earlier ships of the class. The 4 US Iowa class battleships are example of this, while they have the same hulls and equipment, they differ slightly from each other in the way things are laid out.
This has been my head canon : The U.S.S. Syracuse served in the Dominion War. Some time after the war, the Syracuse saucer section was separated, refit into a Ross class saucer, and mated to a new Ross class star drive section. Geordi then requisitioned the Syracuse's original star drive section instead of it being mothballed. The Syracuse being a batch II Galaxy wasn't compatible to the batch I Enterprise saucer ... so Geordi had a small refit done to the cobra head, to reconfigure the docking latches, connection leads, turbo shafts, and umbilicals to correspond to the batch I U.S.S. Enterprise saucer. The Enterprise saucer was then warp towed to the fleet museum, and after somer repairs, was mated to the Syracuse star drive section. I know this is all my head-canon, but it would be cool to see you do a hypothetical video about how a processed like this idea was carried out. Great video!
Galaxy, Enterprise, Yamato, Venture, Odyssey and Syracuse (we know it's the Syracuse as the last one as it doesn't have the war upgrades from the 2nd generation and above).
There's no reason to believe that there might not've been significant in-universe history, post-present-day, for the city of Syracuse, NY. For my own headcanon, I instantly speculate that it might've even been a significant location with respect to WW3 or the Post Atomic Horror. Perhaps the first nukes were set off in NYC, wiping out or significantly damaging nearby cities like Boston / Newark / Baltimore / Washington, and initial military and manufacturing operations might've been hastily relocated to Syracuse as a nearby inland proxy. Fun fact, Fort Drum is located nearby in Watertown, NY. All US military installations have at least one primary "purpose," and the primary mission for Fort Drum is to simply be a logistical staging ground for already-trained Army personnel, just like other locations that might be sprawling warehouse depots for vehicles, or ammo, etc. It's also got a lot of training range space dedicated to alpine and generally rugged, snow-temperate terrain, with a lot of typical annual snowfall across almost the entirety of three of the four seasons of the year. In a sudden nuclear-winter scenario, with surprisingly-navigable water-access to the open seas via the Great Lakes and the various canals that have been built, it could be converted into a New-New-York logistics hub relatively quickly. All of this to say: It's entirely possible that a USS Syracuse might not stand comparable to a Pennycomequick.
Two problems in your video, In "Sacrifice of Angels" we see 10 galaxy class ships together in one scene, we know The Yamato, Enterprise and Odyssey were not there. That leaves a minimum of 13 Galaxies, not 12. Second problem is that nuTrek is trash and is not in the original continuity. We see new Galaxies being built in the Voyager episode "Relativity". By the time of Nemesis there are likely many dozens of Galaxy class ships. The garbage picard series didn't have any Galaxy class ships other than the Enterprise, and the fleet was supposed to be the entire fleet. If there was some strange reason to get rid of the Galaxy class, where's the nebula class, the Prometheus class, the saber class, the Intrepid class , the streamrunner class, etc. The answer is simply that nuTrek is trash, the writers don't know anything about the universe of star trek or it's continuity. Also in the Voyager episode "Endgame" we see seven Galaxy class ships with another 2 that are probably Galaxy class, they're hard to make out. So did all Galaxy class ships just happen to be at earth? Probably not, there were likely many doesn't of Galaxy class ships at that time as they were going to replace the Excelsior class.
Pretty sure the Syracuse has 3 instead of 2 lights behind the buzzard and a different shape of the deflector to differentiate it from the Enterprise even if it is it's star drive section now. That was intentional for some reason, meaning that it can't be a batch one.
3:20 Yamato (大和, "great harmony") is the oldest known native name for Japan. Yamato was also the name for the area approximately corresponding to what is now Nara Prefecture, where ancient Japanese mythology states that Emperor Jimmu -- traditionally considered the Sun Goddess’ grandson -- is said to have founded the country in 660 BC. The word is pronounced YAMA-toe, with the accent on the first syllable. It is likely that the real-world inspiration for the Federation starship's name came from "Space Battleship Yamato," a famous anime franchise that began in Japan in 1974. The anime harkens back to the real Japanese battleship Yamato, the largest and most powerful battleship ever to exist. The construction of that battleship began in 1937, she was formally commissioned a week after the attack on Pearl Harbor, and she was sunk by the US Navy on April 7, 1945. Over three thousand IJN personnel died with that single ship, more than the total number of people killed and injured in the whole of the Pearl Harbor attack. As you can imagine, at that time, Japan's government and military considered the Yamato and its loss to be of prodigious physical, psychological, strategic, and spiritual importance. As with so many of their other setbacks, the wartime Japanese government relied on extremely strict censorship to attempt to hide the ship's loss. However, the huge magnitude of that loss meant that the truth became known within days. I'm not Japanese, but I wonder how a Western person might feel if their country had a form of its name, old or otherwise, that was still constantly being mangled and mispronounced by foreigners?
I gotta question: Why do we only see the Enterprise with additional letter designation of Delta? Why didn't they give the Discovery, Reliant, or Defiant additional alphabet identifiers? Also, speaking of the Voyager episodes, what were the two Defiant class ships fighting against the prometheus? The original Defiant was the prototype, then did we get another five commissioned after O'Brien fixes all the "design flaws"? Do you have a review of those ships too?
Bringing back the Enterprise D to save the day in Picard was a great touch, but they significantly detracted from it with the Syracuse line. That means the ship was now half Syracuse, half Enterprise, with most of the energy and firepower coming from the Syracuse. It would have been far better if they had just had Laforge say something like, "The stardrive section was about 70% completed when the Dominion war ended. I had it hauled out of the depot at such-and-such location and brought here. There's not much in it except the engines and the weapons, but that's all we need right now." Then it would have been more like the stardrive was a repair component than part of another starship.
While the Head Honcho of Starfleet (Star Trek (Gene R.)) may have ordered up an initial batch of six, in the "real world" politics, budget and need often cause changes in programs and production schedules. The initial batch might have been truncated at five or perhaps expanded to ten or twelve. But I would assume that the pace of design of starship systems might have been an excuse (a good one) to move on to the Batch II ships after the first five Batch I were laid down and approaching completion. USS Syracuse and another dozen Galaxy class named for cities / population centers around the Federation may have followed with THEM being supplanted by a "Batch III" as the prospects of war with the Dominion became clearer. Batch III could be "War Emergency" battleships with systems optimized for fast construction and for combat with some of their systems retrofitted into Batch I and Batch II ships as they entered dock for repairs, upgrading power, shield and weapon systems. One of those might well be USS Syracuse (having lost her saucer at some point?) with Geordi deciding not to spend time dismounting the newer systems at present. He wanted Enterprise to be ready to present (too late for Frontier Day perhaps) at some noteworthy event.
More likely, like real world supercarriers, while ordered in batches (frequently in pairs), they all end up as one offs by time of competition. So the plan may have been 6 Batch 1's leading to 6 Batch 2's, but by then end of production, you've got 12 ships that at most end up in pairs, with steady incremental improvements. The same thing may have happened with the war built Batch 3's, especially if production didn't really stop between Batch 2 and Batch 3. Then, by the end of the survivors service lives, all the remaining ships are essentially unique, as each ship has seen different combinations of refits based on Starfleet's needs. Plus, depending on how many shipyards are involved, and exactly how Starfleet numbers it's ships (When ordered v/s when the contract is signed v/s when it's laid down) with delays between yards, the hull numbers might cross over batches, with some batch 1 ships having later numbers than batch 2 ships.
I wonder in addition to messing up the reg number, the effects department changed the name of the ship by mistake?. Could they have intended it to be call the Syracusia? Syracusia would have been a great name for a galaxy ship, The first ship in the world with a indoor water room (by design...), a garden, as well as being well armed and the largest ship in the world when launched. An ideal name for a galaxy class, especially as the original ship was designed by Archimedies it would stand for discovery.
Considering the saucer, section of the enterprise, D and the drive section of the USS Syracuse were literally two different colored hulls I would say they’re not the same batch
@@Revkor Even the top wasn't unscathed, as attested by the damage done to the bridge despite being so far up on top of the saucer, and we saw the saucer during the crash plow through a large hill. There's just too many variables because of the crash, and Geordi clearly not having had the time to cosmetically restore it, assuming he was ever going to go that far.
@@mikedicenso2778 Only thwe glass broke on the outside. again take a good looking in picard and pay attention the the colors of the saucer vs the stardrive
In reference to 11:23, one of my gripes with Star Trek, and the consequences of having multiple writers and sometimes limitation of starship models available for an episode, is that there is no cohesive naming convention for ships. Their names are all over the place. Ships of the same class can have varying names referencing cities, people, mythology, concepts, U.S. states, etc. Makes it all very muddled and confusing.
In the TNG Episode "Eye of The Beholder" there is an on-screen graphic that has the Syracuse listed as another ship under construction at Utopia Planitia at the same time as the Enterprise.
27:45 That once per turn clause is just obnoxious at this point. It used to be on abilities that would clearly be busted without it. That vampire, for example, if it's other ability said, "3B: Target opponent loses X life, where X is [creature]'s power," I would agree with the once per turn clause on the first part. The creature doesn't even have any keyword or anything, is just pre-nerfed for no reason.
I'm actually curious if the "Galaxy Wing" dialogue from Deep Space Nine could have two, possible meanings. The first is an entire wing of Galaxy Class ships, as most people have assumed. But is it equally possible that it simply refers to a wing where the Galaxy Class is the command ship, and the rest is composed of other classes?
Not sure if it counts as beta cannon or not but how about uss dauntless from bridge commander. I vaguely remember it being mentioned as older in the games manual and that take place after the dominion war
Syracuse had 3 bussard collectors per nacelle like the Sovereign-class. The early Galaxys had two. My head Canon is that Syracuse was probably one of the last Galaxys built before the switch to the Ross-class. She was too far along in construction to be modified, but served as a bridge ship including some Sovereign/ Ross technology in the design.
I wonder if Odyssey is Batch II Galaxy. She has a different bridge than seen on Enterprise and Yamato. There are on-set photos of her commissioning plaque, though, that have her entering service during TNG season 1, so the timing doesn't support it. I guess she's Batch I rev 2?
I think she had 42 decks, so my mention of 46 is probably wrong (it won't be the first time I have misspoken!). Sixty-four is a number that rings a bell, but I don't think the Galaxy-class had so many decks, but I might be wrong.
"...The USS Galaxy (NCC-70637), for which the class was named, was commissioned in 2357, and the venerable USS Enterprise-D (NCC-1701-D), launched in 2363, was the third starship of this class. Other Galaxy-class starships included the USS Yamato (NCC-71807), destroyed in 2365; the USS Challenger (NCC-71099), the USS Odyssey (NCC-71832), and the USS Venture (NCC-71854)" from the user manual of the game Star Trek Bridge commander. also featuring the USS San Francisco (NCC-69480) and the USS Dauntless (NCC-71879) which is the player's ship.
Also bear in mind that in the original plans for the best of both worlds, part one and two, admiral, JP Hanson was Intended to be on another galaxy class as his capital ship. That ship has never been properly identified by name. There was galaxy class debris in the debris field of best of both worlds part two, so this would still hold. This never named destroyed galaxy would safely be a batch one. And I do think it would make sense to give it The name of some famous exploration ship from history, or some famous warship from history. What if that Galaxy class carried a name like Columbia, Constitution, or Discovery. If so it would make sense for the Magellan to be Batch 1 and Challenger, Syracuse and Venture to be from Batch 2.
So I don't see any reasoning why the Odyssey is automatically thrown into batch 1. The Dedication plaque has a commissioning date on it that puts in firmly inside of season 1 TNG, but all that means is it was commissioned after the Enterprise. It could very well have been Batch 2 depending on how many Galaxy Class were being built simultaneously. The Various Federation Fleetyards have a LARGE capacity, and this was the culmination of a 20 year project. for all we know the entire first batch (except the Galaxy as prototype) launched in the same week, since for most Galaxy Class ships we don't have commissioning dates. There is a reference to the Syracuse being in existence before Season 1, as a personnel file has a crewman being stationed there on stardate 40276.2. So the Galaxy, Yamato (named as Enterprise's sister ship), Enterprise, and Syracuse are 4 of the first 6, but we may not have even seen the other 2, as by the time more are seen in DS9 there has been plenty of time for batch 2 to have been in service for a few years.
I like to keep in mind that there's time between now and then. The Syracuse may have been a famous exploration ship in the 2100s or the early history of the federation, matching the themes of the other Galaxy class vessels.
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In my own head-canon, the Syracuse's star-drive was from batch II (maybe batch III) that was pushed into service quickly during the Dominion War, making her a war vessel as she was not built with civilians in mind. Her saucer-section was likely hopelessly trashed or destroyed, and thanks to Starfleet Politics, her star-drive section was forgotten about at a Starbase until sometime when Geordi took charge of the Restoration of the Enterprise-D. It would explain why the Enterprise was much more powerful against the Borg this time around than when she faced them during the TNG-era; not to discount the Borg Cube being in a significantly weak condition in "The Last Generation" giving the Enterprise better odds.
This is a great observation! The 3 visible ramscoops per nacelle also suggests Batch 2 or 3 as well.
The Syracuse nacelles also has the phaser strip along the top of the nacelle, which was a feature of later Galaxy-class ships (Though the *Enterprise* was admittedly upgraded with this feature) which always suggested phase II or later, and it would make sense that she was one of the Dominion War Phase III ships rushed into service, since if you were to choose which ships to keep in service, you'd likely choose a fully-outfitted science vessel with all the requisite facilities and interiors over a 60% empty shell strapped with extra guns and shield generators. It would also explain the weapon systems issue (As they were obvious PHYSICALLY quite functional) as Geordi would have had to get Dominion War era weapon systems to talk to the original *Enterprise* bridge control systems and software.
This makes a lot of sense. I had just assumed the D was more powerful as Geordi would have loaded her with modern photons not old ones.
This is exactly How I've been thinking of it too. Towards the end of the war, Dominion ships regularly undertook Kamikaze runs, particularly against capital ships. A Jem 'Hadar fighter slamming into the Syracuse' saucer would knock the ship out of the fight but might leave the star drive section relatively intact. With the end of the war and drawdown of forces and ships, the damaged but salvageable star drive section would be in mothballs until someone (Geordi) found an appropriate use for it.
throw in the fact that the Soong Brothers are all fused together in an updated body, and everybody has an additional 30 years experience under their belts...
I would imagine "Syracuse" in this case is a reference to the famed ancient city in Sicily, not the city in New York that is named after it.
Yeah, Syracuse, Sicily was the birthplace of mathematician and engineer Archimedes, and widely considered a center of higher learning in its time.
Yes this youtuber didn’t do a cursory google search for the significance of the name as this fact came up as the first entry when searching for “syracuse history.” Naming a galaxy class starship after an American city doesn’t make a lot of sense.
One of the College's symbols is the Goddess Diana. The Latin goddess of Light, The Moon, and the OPEN SKY.
While I agree its unlikely, the Lexington, Yorktown, Saratoga, the 3 Texas class ships, and the ENTIRE California ship class (at least 70 odd ships) would disagree with it being impossible. @@jp93309
@@jp93309I mean, it could have been named after Syracuse, NY. It’s a TV show. Rod named *two whole characters* after his army buddy Kim Noonien Singh.
I believe the number on the Syracuse to be a mistake on the part of the effects department. Instead of NCC-17744 it should have been NCC-71744 which would fit into the numbers always given to Galaxy class ships. They seemed to pay a lot of attention to detail, and I have a hard time believing they would go with such a low number on purpose.
NCC-17744 may have been an open slot from years earlier & was therefore available.
71744 certainly makes more sense
I like to think that the registry number we see is an amalgamation between the Enterprise and the Syracuse. The engineers at the museum were busy removing and putting in the Enterprise's registry number at the same time as removing the Syracuse's.
Another possibility is that the Syracuse was a non-commissioned unit, and a 'parts donor' and/or test asset for active ships, similar to what the STS Endeavor was before they turned it into a flying example after the loss of Challenger. So the low hull number would be due to it being technically built before even the pathfinder hull, but it did not give the class the name due to it not being commissioned (or possibly even named) until well after.
unfortunately it's probably some kind of injoke; as much as i love Lower Decks and Picard Season 3 they fluctuate *wildly* between "attention to detail" and "yeeeeee-haaa!" when it comes to registries. It can certainly be explained (like a legacy registry that wasn't deemed cool enough to play with the Registry-Letter kids) but it's probably like that one time Nagilum made a Galaxy Class with four numbers and an -E.
The TNG technical manual says that six were built in the initial run and 6 more spaceframes were built and left incomplete. I always imagined that those 6 spaceframes were hurriedly built out during the Dominion War.
Ya it makes no sense that 6 were left incomplete..they weren’t specifically warships with a war ending and the federation didn’t go away so why would they not finish them eventually regardless? But let’s pretend that continuity was a strength of Star Trek 😂
If not before - Yamato, Enterprise and Odyssey were all lost.
@@KkevrockKIt makes sense if you don’t want to expend the resources to complete her, and/or you don’t have the personnel to man them.
@@FS2K4Pilot I think more likely they were waiting on the performance information from the original six. The technical manual indicates there was a lot of reticence in producing the Galaxy due to the unprecedented amount of automation and complexity in the design.
I thought two of them became USS Venture and USS Victory, the 2 Galaxies sent to reinforce DS9 after the Klingon attack in Way of the Warrior.
In DS9 we see several Galaxies with a black rear neck section. Something akin to the sovereign's dark panels perhaps.
The filming model for these shots was an ERTL model used for a few episodes just prior to the introduction of a cgi model.
These may be either late block II or even the start of a block III and incorporate sovereign technologies.
That's the result of restoring the 'All Good Things' galaxy model back to a 2 nacelle design. The alteration left permanent marks on the model.
@@defies4626 incorrect, they were new 3 foot VFX models used for deep background shots made out of model kits, tehre are photos of them available. They are definitely _not_ the 4 foot D as by the time of Ds9 season 5, the model was on a promotional tour for Generations and had just gone missing at the ti
I wonder what they were called. I know there might be a USS Madison. It's fun to speculate.
Loved 'the Cadillac of the stars'. Great animations as well. Please more on the Galaxy(s)!
In a very real sense, the Galaxies os something of a luxury hotel in space.
Great video. I had not made the connection of USS Challenger's hull number before -- NCC-71099. A nice nod to the Orbiter Challenger who's designation was OV-099
This is awesome. I once spent a bunch of time in 1991ish digitizing the D using a bunch of 2D photos taped to a digitizer tablet and photogrammetry software running inside AutoCAD. Huge point cloud resulted. Then I started connecting the dots with 3D rectangles. Never quite finished skinning the model though, so it’s amazing to see someone else do it from scratch!
It's likely I will continue to add detail and make corrections as I use my model. I'm still not happy with the stardrive section.
I like your explanation of conservation vs. restoration. It does have historical precedence. In the US Navy, the battleship USS Kentucky was to be the 6th and final Iowa class battleship (the 5th being USS Illinois) but was never completed. Of the Iowa class battleships, there were to be 3 runs of 2. Iowa and New Jersey were built and commissioned first, then Wisconsin and Missouri 1 and 2 years later, respectively.
Illinois and Kentucky were never completed and for a time plans were considered to make them aircraft carriers. Instead they were stored in the mothball basin of Naval Station Philadelphia as unfinished hulls to be used for repairs of active ships. Then, in 1956 her sister ship USS Wisconsin (now a museum ship in Norfolk, Virginia by the way) collided with another vessel and suffered extensive damage to her bow. In order to repair the Wisconsin, the Navy removed Kentucky's bow and grafted it to Wisconsin and has been part of it ever since. The rest of Kentucky was ultimately scrapped in 1958 whereas the Wisconsin and her 3 other sisters were mothballed and reactivated three times, the final time being reactivated in 1986 - over 40 years after they had been originally built.
So, in effect the Kentucky and Wisconsin were almost an inspiration for the producers and writers of Picard season 3 to bring back the Enterprise D.
The Illinois and Kentucky battleship were part of the Montana class battleship not the Iowa class battleship 👌
Wow, I didn't know that, Very interesting, and worth noting when thinking of, say, the Enterprise-A, as well.
@@edwinarnold4865 they were originally supposed to have been but were laid down as Iowa class because of wartime priorities. They might have actually become Essex class aircraft carriers as well. The Navy during that era was changing priorities and the battle of Coral Sea changed Navy doctrine. Congress wasn’t going to give blank checks anymore so in order to not throw money away so they had to basically change things midstream in production. This continued on into the 1950s as the Cold War commenced. I served on Forrestal (the first “supercarrier”) and there were rumors that it was built on a battleship keel in 1951. Indeed, even its design was changed mid production.
This is in stark contrast to how Newport News basically churned out Nimitzes every 4 years for 40 years like they were cookie cutter carriers and gradually altered the design with each iteration so that they could conceivably move on to the Ford class without having to completely retool- but even then they doubled the costs and extended the production times. Military spending nowadays looks incredibly wasteful in comparison.
@edwinarnold4865 afraid not, Montana Class starts at BB-67 and goes through to BB-71 for five total
@@kwaktak the last two Iowa class battleship that were laid down were cancelled and their unfinished hull were used for a new class supply ships called AOE those two hull would become u.s.s Sacramento AOE -1 and u.s.s. Camden AOE -2 I was stationed on the u.s.s Sacramento
It's possible that Syracuse was one of the MANY unfinished Galaxy-Class ships that were pressed into service for the Dominion war. These ships were not yet outfit with full interiors, or the amenities we see on the Enterprise. Most of their interior volume was incomplete. These ships were made functional enough to fight, loaded with extra weaponry, and torpedo stores, and thrown at the Dominion fleet. because Starfleet was COMPLETELY unprepared for a conflict of that scale. It was a crazy time, where they were pulling antiques out of the mothball fleet, and fielding whatever they could.
If Syracuse was one of these incomplete Galaxies, it's not unreasonable to suppose that she was SEVERELY damaged in an engagement with the dominion, and slated for scrapping.....which is how Geordi would have gotten his hands on it. Given that it was incomplete when fielded, and essentially a hulk, he could have it repaired, and have the interior finished in a period-appropriate fashion, without having to change much.
Good points and I like this as an explanation.
Now the Syracuse was established in the eye of the beholder back in TNG that's where Terry metallic and his crew got the name and registry number but for the script that was never established as a Galaxy class but that puts the Syracuse at roughly the same time frame of the Enterprise D so she was either one of the original six ships according to canonical sources
@@TheDogGeneral "so she was either one of the original six ships" or.....?
Now, while it's true that U.S.S. Syracuse is on a personnel file in TNG, there is no registry number attached to it, and no on-screen information about what class this ship is. In beta-canon, there is a colony ship with that name, but that's beta canon. There is zero mention of the Galaxy-Class U.S.S. Syracuse NCC-17744 until The Picard S3 episode "Vox", demonstrating that it was created for the show.
@@numberyellow a one-off or she was constructed when the Yamato was destroyed if it follows real-world Naval conventions Starfleet would have wanted to preserve at least six operational galaxy-class Starships if they were going to maintain six Active vessels the possible theory that hasn't been correlated it could be the Syracuse was constructed to replace the Yamato.
But there's no proof of that her registry number is also an enigma it is an outlier it is in a 17,000 series when the rest of them are in at least the 71,000 series with the exception of the Enterprise in the USS Galaxy hard to say at this point when the USS Syracuse was established back in the eye of the beholder in a file of some Personnel of one of the minor characters it wasn't established as a Galaxy class ship now here's the kicker once she has been now the question is when and where does she come into Commission.
As I see it simply logical to conclude that she was one of the original six ships given when she was established given what we know with her lore whether the first or second batch evidence would seem to point to the first
@@TheDogGeneral Yes, but like i said in my last message, and you acknowledge, The Syracuse mentioned in the personnel file is not established to be a Galaxy-Class. furthermore, restating from my last message, the registry number never shows up until "vox". The Syracuse mentioned in the personnel file could have been anything. It's far more likely that the Syracuse mentioned in the file was an older ship that was decommissioned (perhaps that's even why the guy got transferred to Enterprise), and then the Galaxy-Class Syracuse was a new Galaxy, built during the dominion war era (or slightly before. There is on-screen evidence to support this possibility as well), given the same name as the older ship. But you are right, the registry IS an inconsistency, as it seems to be in a range of numbers that came BEFORE the ones of the other ships of the class....which would seem to imply that it's a legacy registry, with no suffix, which is also entirely out of place.
I think the reason all the galaxy classes have registry numbers so close to each other, in the 71,000s and 72,000s, is that (as the original technical manual said) they built all six and maybe more of the structural frames at the same time and, then built the ships out overtime, so they all would’ve had fairly close registry numbers, even though they were metered out into service Over a decade or two.
And they might not have been finished in registry order .
Indeed, not being finished in order of hull number / registry number has real world - historical foundations. A number of USN Essex class carriers, heavy and light cruisers as well as Fletcher and Sumner class destroyers were completed or commissioned out of order with the rest of the class. Battleship Wisconsin (BB 64) was laid down, launched and most importantly commissioned and ready for action before Battleship Missouri (BB 63) as an example.
Galaxy, Yamato, Odyssey, Challenger, Venture, Enterprise.
There. The first six.
with those middle threeas spares
@@Revkor The registry codes tell us all we need to know about which was build in which order.
Challenger (71099)
Galaxy (70637)
Odyssey (71832)
Venture (71854)
Yamato (71807)
Obviously Galaxy was first, followed by Challenger, Yamato, Odyssey and Venture. The Enterprise-D is the only wildcard due to her legacy suffix.
@@housecoatgaming coorection Yammy's is 1305-E and practixally at that point the writers was jsut making up numbers
@@Revkor Adorable that you used the _fake_ Yamato's registry. Something _the producers_ outright stated was a _mistake._
Go watch Contagion. The Yamato's registry is labelled as 71807 in her technical readouts.
@@housecoatgaming ifthe registry was fake would have been a clear sign the ship was fake. so no this was mike okuda beign a dick so I reject his retcon
I always assumed that the Syracuse was one of the later batches of upgraded Galaxy Class ships that was in the Dominion War and its saucer took heavy damage.
Because if you look in S3 episode 10 of Picard the Bussard collectors have three highlighted dots where the OG star drive section had two. Plus I’ve seen others point out that the hull plating pattern is slightly different. (That could be just summed up to CGI versus a practical model.) Even some of the concept art shows that the saucer and star drive section having noticeable different hull colors.
The original model had more of a blue green-ish grey appearance from afar where later seasons and series were more grey. The later is attributed to the change of model sizes with them commissioning a smaller more manageable one to film.
Sycuse was likely a dw rush galaxy
LaForge also mentions there needing to be a "ton of hull work left to do." When we see it take its place at the museum, the damage to the saucer from its battle in Generations is repaired and the star drive hull now matches that of the saucer. It's likely the Syracuse was a later ship (probably from the Dominion War) that was repurposed to replace the missing Star Drive of the Enterprise. We know most of the original Galaxy class ships were destroyed and therefore no batch I's may have been available by the time LaForge became the curator of the museum. He stated he had been rebuilding it over 20 years, but we do not know when the drive section became available. The ship might have been destined for the scrap heap until he saved it.
In Season 1 of the garbage picard series the Enterprise d in picards dream had 3 lights under the forward nacelle endcap, this was likely done because discovery has 3 on it's nacelle. In the original continuity the Enterprise D hand 2 bussard collectors under the forward nacelle endcaps. It's even in the blueprints of the ship. The real world reason for this was because the 6 foot model had 2 lights sources under the endcap.
The people working on nuTrek don't care about star trek or any continuity. In the trash picard series you can see the Hologram of the Enterprise d has shuttle bay 2 and 3 the same size, that's just stupid. Same stupid problem in most shots in the 3rd season of the trash picard season, the only time the shuttle bays were correct was the shot of the Enterprise D approaching Jupiter. In the scenes where the ship was flying around shooting at the cube the shuttle bays where wrong again.
The color difference comes from The D's Saucer having gone through entry on Veridian III and cooking and charring the hull as a result. No to mention the thousands of tons of dirt it slid through.
@@hudsonball4702 no outside of tbe scoring her hull us the same white as we knew the starduve have a different color thus dufferent batch
Great job tying it all together - like most lore in Trekdom, nothing is straight forward! 😁
Far too rare a pleasure, these videos of yours!
Based on my reading of the Star Trek Encyclopedia my headcanon on the original six are Galaxy, Yamato, Enterprise, Odyssey, Venture, and Challenger, but this was very well researched and you make a convincing argument for what the original six were!
There were 14 Galaxy-class starships that appear in one shot in Sacrifice of Angels (DS9 S6 Ep06). By that point, the Yamato, Odyssey, and Enterprise had all been lost. So, there were at least 17, probably 18, with three batches of 6. My head canon had these names for the first 12:
USS GALAXY NCC-70637
USS YAMATO NCC-71807
USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-D
USS ODYSSEY NCC-71832
USS VENTURE NCC-71854
USS RANGER NCC-71861*
USS MAGELLAN NCC-71098
USS CHALLENGER NCC-71099
USS FEDERATION NCC-71100*
USS ASCENSION NCC-71101*
USS COLUMBIA NCC-71102*
USS DISCOVERY NCC-71103*
*my additions
USS SYRACUSE, I say was in Batch 3.
Do you have a screenshot of that? 14 seems a lot, even for the fleet shot
USS DAUNTLESS NCC-71879 She appears in the game "Star Trek - Bridge Commander". It may therefore be non-canon.
It's within a 10-second clip where the fleet engages the Cardassian-Jem'Hadar fleet. It's just after Sisko speaks and the attack begins, it's the shot that begins at 0:09 and ends at 0:19. Blink and you'll miss the first one's warp nacelles exit screen left. ruclips.net/video/X0N16g-_LV4/видео.html
@@TomBatemanRT85 Thanks!
@@TheWoblinGoblin @TomBatemanRT85 - I've noticed this myself, when SOA came out I remember rewinding, pausing, frame by framing it to try and count alllll the different Galaxy's on screen. The fact that there are 14 or so in that shot alone.. the Enterprise, Yamato, Odyssey AND Admiral Hansen's BoBW's Galaxy all being destroyed ANNND that these ships are from the combined Second and Fifth fleets (the Ninth was still a day away and couldn't make it to the battle) There had to be way more than just 1, 2, 3 or even 4 "batches" of the Galaxy.
A) we don't have an actual end number, for the number of Fleet groups in Starfleet.
The highest I remember hearing was 9th fleet.. but not hearing 10th, 12th or 14th doesn't preclude it.
B) If we presumed that it DID preclude it.. we have other things to consider as well..
like the other 7 fleets.. (1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th,8th & 9th) - ALL the Galaxy's wouldn't be just in the 2nd and 5th fleets.
Its Reasonable to assume that they're -roughly- distributed -roughly- similarly throughout the total fleet..
some numbered fleets may have a couple more.. a couple less, but it's fair to assume that each fleet had.. at least 8.
Then.. there is the 3rd fleet which as we were told on a few occasions, was a special fleet.
3rd fleet was tasked with Defending Earth and surrounding territory.. (likely Vulcan as well)
If I was a fleet planner during war time.. I'm gonna have that 3rd fleet as my strongest.
And in that time frame, that means more Galaxy, Defiant and Sovereign class ships..
It's reasonable to assume 10 to 12 in the third fleet alone..
And all of the above, is assuming that the 14 we see in the Charge Scene in SoA was ALL the Galaxy's in those combined fleets. Its reasonable to believe some are simply out of our ability to see because they've charged ahead.. are further to starboard or further back.
Simply.. I think they Built a dozen frames, filled out six (batch one) as test ships.
The Galaxy launched first.. it went ok for the year.. they launched the other 5,
after another year, no serious design flaws were found, they filled in and launched the second set.
And it makes sense.. They were still in the middle of the unseen Cardassian war, they had to maintain a fleet along the Romulan Neutral Zone where every ship which is confronted is ALWAYS a D'Deridex - Starfleet would need to match what they see from their counterparts, else risk those counterparts saying "lol Miranda Class ? ok.. lets invade".
I think after the second batch (the first full dozen) had launched, they just went into full blown production of them.
Going by the Excelsior's example, they know / we know that this ship should have a service life of at -least- 100 years.. likely longer barring a fatal flaw. She would be the new backbone of the fleet for decades to come and you can't be the backbone without numbers.
So.. in closing.. Safe to say at least 80 Galaxy's were built..
I personally believe a couple hundred.
Perhaps in-universe the Syracuse is named for a ship of some historical significance between 2024 and 2363. Maybe a Syracuse played a pivotal role in the Earth-Romulan War, for example
I wouldn't be surprised if the original "challenger class, Challenger" was destroyed or totalled on Worf 359, and the next Gallaxy off the line got named Challenger.
This would make sense. I would imagine a number of ships lost at Wolf 395 had their names reassigned to ships that were already planned, or possibly already under construction, with different names.
it would follow with history too, at least US history
CV-5 and CV-10 were both USS Yorktown, CV-5 being the one that gave the class name to CV-6(Enterprise) and CV8
CV-8 and CV-12 were both USS Hornet
CV-2 and CV-16 were both USS Lexington
CV-7 and CV-18 were both USS Wasp
CV-10 was supposed to be the Bon Homme Richard
CV-12 was supposed to be Kearsarge
CV-16 was supposed to be Cabot
CV-18 was supposed to be Oriskany
DD-459 and DD-724 were both USS Laffey, DD-459 was a Benson class destroyer, and DD-724 was an Allen M Sumner class
CV-2 was sunk at Coral Sea, CV-5 at Midway, CV-8 was sunk at Santa Cruz, CV-7 by sub transporting reinforcements for Guadalcanal, and DD-459 at Guadalcanal
USS Laffey DD-459, actually helped rescue survivors of USS Wasp CV-7
Wasp is actually the most reused name in US Naval History, with 11
@@artbrann This doesn't even touch on the Cassin and Downes situation. The two destroyers burned down in drydock Dec 7. The Navy salvaged their machinery, shipped it to a yard in San Francisco, and built two entirely new destroyers making use of the machinery. The new ships? Cassin and Downes, with the exact same hull codes as the ones lost at Pearl Harbor. :D
Also, there's USS Princeton, CVL lost to IIRC kamikaze, that got upgraded to naming an Essex. Or Langley (CV-1) that got a second life as an Independence-class CVL. The USN in WW2 was big on reusing ship names, possibly in part as a way to mess with Japanese Intelligence gathering on whether a ship was actually sunk. And of course, USS Canberra, named after a heavy cruiser sunk off Savo Island. An Australian heavy cruiser. US Navy, you do you. :D
@@nekophht it was already getting a bit long
the USN was absolutely trolling, USS Shangri-La CV-38
which played into the interview with President Roosevelt and the launch point of the Doolittle raid
and they just commissioned a new USS Canberra(if you consider like 7 months ago just)
It's "Wolf 359", not "Worf 359"! 😂
The most gorgeous spaceship in all Sci-Fi.
We know bridges are modular and can be "unplugged" from the saucer and easily upgraded. My head canon is before Generations, the bridge was upgraded in the Enterprise for the Dominion War, hence 2 new tactical stations on the sides of the bridge and the older bridge (from TNG) was retired; most likely the bridge itself went into the Fleet Museum as a display. It would make sense. Then after Generations, the new Enterprise bridge was destroyed and the saucer salvaged. Starfleet would've scrapped it but Commodore LeForge saved her and put the saucer in docking bay 12 of the Fleet Museum. While where, the Generations bridge was unplugged and scrapped and the TNG bridge reinstalled. LeForge repaired the underside of the saucer and the Enterprise saucer was introduced as a display. Then the USS Syracuse's saucer was destroyed and the stardrive section was damaged during the Dominion War, and with new designs coming out, it was deemed not cost effective to make a new saucer and refit the Syracuse. So upon LeForge's request, the she was donated to the Fleet Museum. There, LeForge married the Enterprise saucer and Syracuse stardrive and spent the next 20 years rebuilding the Enterprise.
Very interesting facts on the Galaxy class starships.
I did enjoy this video, thank you very much for it.
I'm not sure if this is true or canon, but I've heard that the Galaxy class started with 12 ships. 6 fully built and commissioned and another 6 hulls with unfinished interiors being held in reserve. Then with the Dominion war, those 6 reserve ships where brought online and Starfleet ramped up Galaxy production. These "Dominion War" Galaxies differed by the addition of phaser strips atop the Warp Nacelles and largely unfinished interiors, said to be only about 40% finished, in that many of the amenities such as as holodecks and civilian spaces were left out in order to get these new Galaxies out the door and on the frontlines as fast as possible.
I'm sorry, but FAA regulations do not permit us to depart for battle without fully functioning holodecks!
That first part is apparently from the TNG tech manual. Not sure how canon it is.
@poiujnbvcxdswqwell, there were a couple of Voyager prequel novels written by Jeri Tsylor, a producer on the show. She then used her position to declare them canon.
@poiujnbvcxdswqthere's a ToS technical manual as well as something called "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise". As nest i know, both are considered "backstage" sources and neither is canon. The DS9 and Voyager tech manuals have some odd incongruities with the shows.
I'm with you on the name. I did think about how silly it was for our heroes to take the entire joined ship into battle when that star drive could've maneuvered more safely inside that Borg...thing....without the wide saucer.
Have to remember several things with that scene. First they were already engaged in combat with the cube, i doubt the cube would sit and wait for them to complete a separation, the enterprise was weaving and dodging incoming fire. And second time was a huge issue, they didnt have any spare time to pull back to a safe distance, and do a saucer separation, they were under the gun and had to go now or never. I do agree it would make sense to take just the stardrive in, but under the circumstances it makes sense they couldnt.
@poiujnbvcxdswq probably best reason they didn't leave with just the battle section.
@@joshuakrieski9628 I was thinking maybe they could just leave the museum with just the stardrive in the first place, but as someone else commented, maybe that part wasn't even ready to go by itself.
While that was likely a possibility, they had no idea at the time they were going to have to navigate INSIDE a massive borg cube, so again no real reason to separate the ship.@@danandtab7463
This might give an answer on if the Syracuse was in the original Galaxy’s built (from memory alpha):
As noted in his personnel file, after serving on the USS Philadelphia, Alfonse Pacelli was assigned to the Syracuse on stardate 40276.2. (TNG: "Eye of the Beholder" from an okudagram)
Assuming this is true, I think the 40276.2 stardate puts it around the early 2360’s (not that Stardates are always consistent…) This means the Syracuse was indeed probably an original batch Galaxy.
And I assume its name is a reference to the ancient city in Sicily
I disagree if first batch why different hull color?
There's also a Syracuse in New York. Given how Star Trek usually names ships, I think that's the more likely origin.
@@Revkor the hull color could be easily explained. For one, the Enterprise saw much more action likely so its hull would naturally be more deteriorated. Plus it crashed into a planet and still has some visible damage, and we see in the concept art that they tried to differentiate the two. We don’t know how long the Enterprise sat on the planet, but the ship’s hull could have corroded or oxidized or something while on Veridian 3. It could have also been from one of the many weird encounters the enterprise throughout the 7 seasons had that discolored the hull slightly, who knows
Or Geordi could have also just not gotten around to putting a fresh coat of paint on the saucer.
Or more likely, they just have differently colored hulls… Starfleet doesn’t usually build two ships to be completely identical, we usually see a lot of variation even across a single production run of ships. The NX-01 and NX-02 were sister ships but had completely different hull colors, and hell just look at the hull of Discovery vs other TOS era ships. The technical manual even talks about Galaxy class ships being testbeds for lots of new tech. They could have been testing different alloys or paints.
@@johnsledge3942 I point to the last one. while Geordi clearly hasn't had time to do fresh coat of paint. we do see a darkening of ship hulls even from Voyager. her hull is more bluish grey then Enterprise D was. so meaning between E-D's launch and Voyager's launch they changed something. different blend or refining who knows. But this is why i point to Syracuse not being a batch one ship.
Let's look at the senario. Geordi needs a new stardrive to restore her. there is not goign to be many galaxys that will donated. Yet Syracuse is used why? that stardrive is not being used. likely in a surplus yard. Why is it there. likely damaged badly and not worth repairing at the time and now why would a Galaxy not be worth to repair. not worth the investment. And what kind of galaxy would not be worth it. A DW Rush Galaxy. Dw rushers are bare bone Galaxys. besides key systems they only have the basics. I bet quarters are similar to an excelsior or even a defiant depending. with lots of empy space. so one of these gets badly damaged and the war has ended for she can be repaired so why they don't scrap her they leave her in a mothball yard just in case. and that is where Geodri gets her. he mentions issues with one of the nacelle covers so i bet Syracuse lost her saucer and got hit in the engines late in the war.
putting that stardate into a date converter spits out April 11th, 2363; this supports that the Syracuse is most likely a Batch I (and was likely launched while the E-D was undergoing her "Sea Trials" before her October 2363 Commissioning making the Syracuse the 4th Galaxy Class ever built.)
Thank you for keeping _Star Trek_ and _Nu Trek_ separate. 🖖🏼
'Engines and nacelles' are from the USS Syracuse according to Georgi. He didn't say Star Drive Section. That sounds to me, as if he builded a new secondary hull 'bit by bit' and as the Syracuse was gettin' an upgrade he intergrated the old compunds into the new frame. He says "the hull plating of the nascelles is a nightmare", which shouldn't be the case if it is the complete secondary hull of the other ship.
nah makes more sense the stardrive is the Syracuse
Then it would as much the Syracuse as the Enterprise. Makes more sense to me if the Star drive section is rebuilt from new or salvage or spares. The complicated stuff, engines and deflector, nacelles, etc. came from a donor ship.
@@CrazyFool75 note this has been a side project for Geordi. he has his hands full rebuilding the saucer intertior. so getting a nearly intact stardrive makes things easier
@@Revkor Maybe, but that’s not what the script says. And since in Star Trek, only what happens on screen is considered canon, we must assume that only the nacelles and engines are from the Syracuse. Besides if the curator of the fleet museum can also lay his hands on a sizeable load out of photon torpedoes with armed warheads, then almost anything is possible…
@@CrazyFool75 he commands a starbase those would be easy to get. the build from scratch an entire stardrive. I doubt. and the fact one ofthe nacalles was givign him trouble it's likely a damaged stardrive. damaged from when. likely DW thus making her likely a DW rush job Galaxy
Very nicely done
It is shame they didn’t name the first “phase” (more on that in minute) after the space shuttles. Star Trek: Enterprise was on course to do just that but was cut far too short.
Your suggestion of “batches” is very similar to the rail fan term “phases” to describe the minute visual changes in production units that we not recognized by manufacturer but were visible to the the eye of enthusiasts……
such a beautiful design
What about the auriga...hansons ship at wolf359?
I think it wasn't ever officially named the Auriga (it's a cool and fitting name, though)
Not a Galaxy
@@Revkor obviously this fanmade video series isn't canon, but I believe also in the show they actually used the Galaxy Class battle bridge as background for Hanson. It would make sense if he commanded the fleet from a Galaxy Battle Bridge
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I know, in the show he was transported via Excelsior class to the Enterprise, it may even have been the Hood, which is named regularly in fleet lists for Wolf 359
In Star Trek when a name for a ship becomes available it's usually stuck on to whatever ship comes out of the shipyard next. The Enterprise is an exception given how illustrious the name is. So the name was saved for the next most advanced ship to come out of Star Fleet. The Names of Discovery and Venture may have very well been used at the time of Batch one while Syracuse was available. And Syracuse isn't exactly some random name of a town. It's the name of a very famous College in America and the town was very famous for being the mainstay hub for the Erie canal as well as a huge railroad hub second only after NYC at the time. The Goddess Diana is also one of the symbols of the college. Dianna being the Latin Goddess of the Moon, Light, and the open sky. Appreciate for a ship bearing the college's name.
Also one thing you forgot to take into account is that ALL Galaxy class ships received a wartime refit during the Dominion war. One of these refits gave them phaser strips on their nacelles to cover them from kamikaze Jem'Hadar (A lesson hard learned from the Odyssey's fate.). So excluding the Venture because it had added phaser strips is not a good reason to exclude it from the list.
Check out the wiki page for the Syracuse, it's image is quite literally the Enteprise D with the front end cropped out.
Great video lots and lots of research I'm impressed my idea about the Syracuse was they evacuated the saucer section and separated and used it to Ram some other ship, in a way to trick whomever they rammed with the saucer section that would make the most sense to me how else would they have a Star Drive available but then I had always thought a third in a Cell was just a nasal that was added for test purposes and not really used in Flight I was totally wrong I guess😊
The USS Challenger had the saucer seperated during the battle of wolf 359. Admiral Hanson commanded the star drive section, to fight in the battle (Hence why we briefly see him on the battle bridge). So for the future challenger it makes sense they would have had to do what they did to the Enterprise-D. The saucer was still around, so all they did was give it a stardrive section.
Challenger wasn't there. and if Hanson was on the battle bridge why didn't they use the battlebridge set. it was prepped and ready to serve in that role for that very episode
Lovely video. Well done.
As stated in the ST Next Generation technical manual 12 Galaxy-class space-frames where constructed with the first six completed as operational spacecraft and the latter six dismantled into large sections before being secreted away as spares (No doubt with the hull-plating too). These later six were almost certainly completed as War Galaxies during the dominion war and it's very likely more were built (Certainly the Yamato and Odyssey needed replacement aft they were destroyed) and commissioned.
In "Best of Both Worlds", Admiral JP Hanson was on the battle bridge of a Galaxy-class ship when he contacted the Enterprise.
I strongly doubt that Hanson were on Galaxy class.
No Galaxy starship were available for Wolf359.
That episode airing when Gene Roddenberry still alive.
Galaxy class battle bridge were only mentioned in the script, referring as the set of bridge they are using for the show. We knew , that in order to fit w/ the budget, they are also using Galaxy class battle bridge with minor different make up to simulate other ships as well. (ex: Nebula class).
No indication he's in Galaxy class for the entire of two episodes. No Galaxy class were shown on DS9's Wolf359 flashback either.
More, the bridge set showing TMP era's red alert symbol, indicate he is in 23th century starship.
Lastly, we knew when they show Galaxy class starship, they only use her main bridge as these set were the most well known layout.
Ships gathered at Syracuse for the battle of Tripoli :Constitution, Enterprise, Constellation and Intrepid. (war of 1812). Then of course we can add aircraft carriers, Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown and independence.
Allegedly Admiral Hanson was at Wolf 359 in a Galaxy class, which at the time would have been a Phase 1 - I believe it went un-named in the shooting script but he was speaking from the Battle Bridge set, so assumptions were made. JTVFX called it the Auriga in his recent CG remake of the battle.
In one of the books, so definitely secondary canon at best, Riker is told that several of the bridge consoles on the Sovereign Enterprise, were taken from the wreck of the Enterprise-D's saucer section. A general salvaging of parts might explain the changes to the bridge we see in Star Trek: Picard.
The USS Galaxy, USS Yamato, USS Odyssey, USS Monitor and USS Asgard come to mind off the top of my head.
I believe the bridge module are interchangeable. They are made to be able decoupled and removed from primary hull. Between “All good things” and “generations” starfleet build a new bridge with the new layout we saw in generations. Giving the opportunity for the original bridge to be set aside for future adaptation. Forgotten enterprise bridge module was picked up by Gordi and placed upon the recovered saucer. Giving us the classic bridge set we all grew up with.
The Galaxy was listed in Star Trek Nem as part of the Enterprise E's back up fleet.
What about the USS Lollipop?
She's a good ship, I've heard.
I would have loved to have a Dominion era Galaxy class
Pretty sure the missing Galaxy that was part of the first batch was lost at Wolf 359
There was no galaxy was at wolf 359. Not seen on screen
there was no Galaxy at wolf 359
Good callback, Admiral Hanson's ship was, according to the script for Best of Both Worlds, a Galaxy class - they just didn't have the budget to make every aspect of the script present on screen. It's good enough for me.
@@s2k997 but again even ifthey couldn't visually show a Galaxy the battle bridge was set up to be the battle bridge for this episode so why not use it. we just see hanson in a charir with some railings and a screen flashing red alert. and the last time we saw him he was using an excelsior
@@Revkor I cannot be sure, but I have a guess - audiences get confused. Safer to put him on a bridge that obviously wasn't a look-alike of the Enterprise D's bridge to avoid the viewer getting muddled and their brains hurting too much if they were pretty thick. It makes sense, production wise, to have it look visually distinct so our less smart brethren can easily see "He's clearly not on the hero ship".
This switch out trick was done time and again on TNG, where the script called for a simple redress and the director changed it to something more visually distinct to help thickos follow the plot by simple visual cues; such as the famous last minute swap of the Star Gazer from a constitution vs constellation class - because they thought they were worried stupid viewers would see the ship, think it was the Enterprise A, and then get sad/complain there was no Kirk and Co., only the ship.
I'm happy to go with the simple production logic that they had the bridge visually distinct for viewer comprehension reasons aka "having an identical bridge to the hero ship on a non-hero ship, in an episode already involving a lot of ships, could hurt too many stupid people's brains, lets make an insignificant visually clear deviation what the script calls for at a surface level".
I'm also not entirely convinced it isn't necessarily a Galaxy battle bridge either - is it that unthinkable that it could look different, considering how many wildly different bridges we've seen on the Excelsior class? For all we know, the old fashioned alert screen could have been down the the Admiral's personal preference, it's hardly rocket science to change a display to appear how the flag officer wants his flag ship to be stylised. Or it could have been simply down to that very reason, it was configured differently because it was a fleet command ship, as opposed to the very rarely used battle bridge of a deep space explorer. Would explain why the Enterprise D's battle bridge is incredibly spartan, they didn't think it was too relevant in the assigned diplomacy/explorer role and did a bare bones job. The class is designed to be reconfigurable and with loads of empty space to suit its intended individual purpose after all. It's not like we didn't see the Enterprise D get different bridges over time.
Hence, I'm happy to lean into what the script says. Nobody else needs to be though...
As for the Technical manual... Of Mike and Denise Okuda... I appreciate your research for the class of ships.
This is a great idea for a video. The Syracuse might be named for Syracuse New York where Lockhead Martin builds US Naval ships.
I live in Syracuse NY and have yet to see any shipyards.
Also, Lockheed Martin is an aerospace company. They build missiles that can be launched from ships, but they're not a maritime contractor.
There’s also the USS Dauntless NCC-71879 from Star Trek Bridge Commander. I believed it served in the Dominion War, which would make it a batch II.
USS Challenger was right after the destruction of Enterprise. She was in the novel Star Trek: Return. The book where Captain Kirk was revive by the Borg. Riker even mention why did they bother putting a computer on the ship when her captain was a Vulcan.
Nice channel. Perhaps you could explore the Nebula class ships sometime in the future.
In general ships of the same class have a theme to their name choices. For instance, American space shuttles were always named after vehicles of exploration, Though other schemes were put forward. For instance, at one point they were thinking about naming them all after constellations. And there was a where they were thinking about naming them after American Indian tribes.
American battleships were always named after states. After World War II, when it became apparent that battleships were obsolete and nuclear missile subs were the new heavy hitters, American nuclear missile subs started to be named after states, as a way of symbolizing that they had inherited the stature of battleships. American subs are generally named after cities. American aircraft carriers used to be an named after anything that was handy, the USS United States, the USS Kitty Hawk, the USS Constellation, the USS Enterprise, etc, but eventually that boiled down to them only being named after presidents and admirals. And nowadays, it seems like they are only going to be named after presidents for the foreseeable future.
Of course Starfleet is not the United States Navy, but the naming scheme from next generation on always seemed pretty random to me. In TOS the Constitution Class seemed to be named after WW2 warships.
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At 0:15, I think the Starship USS Magellan's ship registry number is NCC-71820.
Excellent video. From what I have come to gather, I believe USS Syracuse was Batch II, but I’m not locked into that. I like to believe she was critically damaged during the Dominion war, particularly at the Second Battle of Chin’toka (Breen intervention), where he Stardrive would be salvaged. There was a persistent Dominion theme throughout Picard Season 3 and Geordi may have suggested hiding at the Chin’toka scrap yard because of his familiarity with his “Bay 12 Hobby” project.
Venture definitely is Batch II. The nacelles have the same modification, albeit reversed from “All Good Things” Enterprise, which I hope to see more Galaxies done into a third batch even in limited numbers.
We need to get a look at the CG models for the Utopia Planetia scenes where a few more Galaxy Class starships are seen. I believe Batch II is probably larger or there is a third batch, when you factor Call to Arms and new ships in spacedocks.
I think it would have been a cute nod to have written it so that that stardrive section used was from the Galaxy-class USS Discovery, to give a little shoutout to the show of the same name and its role in bringing back televised Star Trek, but Picard S3 was far too heavily-invested in nostalgia-tripping references from 30 years ago to consider something like that, so we got stuck with the Syracuse as just sort of a weird non sequitur name.
In The Cage, Pike says that he is from Mojave, California, which is shown to be a very large city. Today, Mojave is a small town of about 1000 people in the middle of the desert. So, perhaps by the 24th century, Syracuse has grown into a major city, especially if New York took heavy damage in WW3.
Or, it could be named after the ancient Greek city in Sicily, sticking with the Odyssey theme.
which galaxy class ship was the one that was kamakazied by the jem'hadar in DS9 to show starfleet how far they were willing to go?
Odyssey
When it comes to the USS Yamato - due to production staff errors, in "Where Silence Has Lease", Cmdr Riker reads the Yamatos registry as NCC-1305-E, whereas in "Contagion", the Galaxy Class Yamato has the registry number NCC-71807)
My Absolute Favorite Enterprise. (:
The triple bussards precludes it from being a batch 1, a lot of us in the community believe she was a Dominion war build that was severely damaged in the war and eventually fell into the possession of Commodore LaForge.
My head canon is that the whole Discovery name was embargoed because of the official way Discovery was "destroyed" so it was classified until a certain period of time in the same way the official secrets acts works at Bletchley Park (code breaking facility for second world war based in the UK)
One of the battles in the Revolutionary War was at Syracuse New York hence the naming of the ship
Syracuse's registry should really have been NCC-71744. And given its name, I doubt it was a Batch-1.
The number of Galaxy's gets muddled in DS9 with the "Galaxy wings".
Some fan theorys say many of them were full of voids, missing all the scientific suites etc etc
The Galaxy grew in power and capabilities as it matured, but building more may be due to ease and familiarity over consideration for the anti- Borg fleet program. More likely they were a Klingon war and Dominion Cold War build up of assets that could later be refit to the standard mission profiles.
Venomgeekmedia and drachinifel made a long video series with an interesting take on the war-Galaxys. just FYI
In series - the Galaxy class Yamato was most likely named after the WWII Yamato - but IRL - the Galaxy class Yamato was named after Space Battleship Yamato as a homage to the 1970's Anime Series. It's possible it could've been named after the Space Battleship Yamato in both though. :)
Probably are older ships than the galaxy class still in operation that had the names mentioned/questioned in the video?
ya know, it just occurred to me, of all the letters they could have chosen, paramount pictures gave us the D
My headcanon: The initial 6 were named after the NASA Space Shuttles. Challenger, Enterprise, Columbia, Discovery, Atlantis & Endeavour. It was an 'honorable' batch. Not counting the lead prototype USS Galaxy. The Syracuse may have been the next one, after that meant for the serialized production of the Galaxy-class. Most of the Syracuse's stardrive hardware were more compatible to mate with the Enterprise saucer making it the perfect match
I've always found it odd that there's consistency in the naming of the Galaxy class. You'd think that with the name Galaxy, the ships would be named after different galaxies or something along those lines.
As far as the time taken to commission the Enterprise goes, it's not that unbelievable for her to have taken longer than her older sisters. There could have been issues/problems that were found in the first 2 Galaxies and so the Enterprise was delayed as the shipyard had to temporarily halt construction on the Enterprise and go back and correct those issues. Sif memory serves, something similar happened with the sister ships of the Titanic, After the Tetanic sank White Star, the owners of the Titanic and her sister ships, hurriedly had her sisters, which I believe were still under construction, retrofitted with additional safety measures based on lessons learned from the Titani's sinking.
One last thing, a more proper name for batch would be flight, that's what the US uses to distinguish a group of ships class in the of the same class built to one spec from another of the same class built to a different spec. So the first 6 Galaxies could be considered to b Flight I Galaxies, and any subsequent Galaxies could be considered Flight II and on. It's also not too uncommon from ship's of the same class and Flight to differ slightly from another based on lessons learned from earlier ships of the class. The 4 US Iowa class battleships are example of this, while they have the same hulls and equipment, they differ slightly from each other in the way things are laid out.
This has been my head canon : The U.S.S. Syracuse served in the Dominion War. Some time after the war, the Syracuse saucer section was separated, refit into a Ross class saucer, and mated to a new Ross class star drive section. Geordi then requisitioned the Syracuse's original star drive section instead of it being mothballed. The Syracuse being a batch II Galaxy wasn't compatible to the batch I Enterprise saucer ... so Geordi had a small refit done to the cobra head, to reconfigure the docking latches, connection leads, turbo shafts, and umbilicals to correspond to the batch I U.S.S. Enterprise saucer. The Enterprise saucer was then warp towed to the fleet museum, and after somer repairs, was mated to the Syracuse star drive section. I know this is all my head-canon, but it would be cool to see you do a hypothetical video about how a processed like this idea was carried out. Great video!
Galaxy, Enterprise, Yamato, Venture, Odyssey and Syracuse (we know it's the Syracuse as the last one as it doesn't have the war upgrades from the 2nd generation and above).
There's no reason to believe that there might not've been significant in-universe history, post-present-day, for the city of Syracuse, NY. For my own headcanon, I instantly speculate that it might've even been a significant location with respect to WW3 or the Post Atomic Horror. Perhaps the first nukes were set off in NYC, wiping out or significantly damaging nearby cities like Boston / Newark / Baltimore / Washington, and initial military and manufacturing operations might've been hastily relocated to Syracuse as a nearby inland proxy.
Fun fact, Fort Drum is located nearby in Watertown, NY. All US military installations have at least one primary "purpose," and the primary mission for Fort Drum is to simply be a logistical staging ground for already-trained Army personnel, just like other locations that might be sprawling warehouse depots for vehicles, or ammo, etc. It's also got a lot of training range space dedicated to alpine and generally rugged, snow-temperate terrain, with a lot of typical annual snowfall across almost the entirety of three of the four seasons of the year. In a sudden nuclear-winter scenario, with surprisingly-navigable water-access to the open seas via the Great Lakes and the various canals that have been built, it could be converted into a New-New-York logistics hub relatively quickly. All of this to say: It's entirely possible that a USS Syracuse might not stand comparable to a Pennycomequick.
Two problems in your video, In "Sacrifice of Angels" we see 10 galaxy class ships together in one scene, we know The Yamato, Enterprise and Odyssey were not there. That leaves a minimum of 13 Galaxies, not 12. Second problem is that nuTrek is trash and is not in the original continuity. We see new Galaxies being built in the Voyager episode "Relativity". By the time of Nemesis there are likely many dozens of Galaxy class ships. The garbage picard series didn't have any Galaxy class ships other than the Enterprise, and the fleet was supposed to be the entire fleet. If there was some strange reason to get rid of the Galaxy class, where's the nebula class, the Prometheus class, the saber class, the Intrepid class , the streamrunner class, etc. The answer is simply that nuTrek is trash, the writers don't know anything about the universe of star trek or it's continuity.
Also in the Voyager episode "Endgame" we see seven Galaxy class ships with another 2 that are probably Galaxy class, they're hard to make out. So did all Galaxy class ships just happen to be at earth? Probably not, there were likely many doesn't of Galaxy class ships at that time as they were going to replace the Excelsior class.
They came later. The 6 are the first that were made.
Once the model had been in service for years they made alot more.
Pretty sure the Syracuse has 3 instead of 2 lights behind the buzzard and a different shape of the deflector to differentiate it from the Enterprise even if it is it's star drive section now. That was intentional for some reason, meaning that it can't be a batch one.
3:20 Yamato (大和, "great harmony") is the oldest known native name for Japan. Yamato was also the name for the area approximately corresponding to what is now Nara Prefecture, where ancient Japanese mythology states that Emperor Jimmu -- traditionally considered the Sun Goddess’ grandson -- is said to have founded the country in 660 BC. The word is pronounced YAMA-toe, with the accent on the first syllable. It is likely that the real-world inspiration for the Federation starship's name came from "Space Battleship Yamato," a famous anime franchise that began in Japan in 1974. The anime harkens back to the real Japanese battleship Yamato, the largest and most powerful battleship ever to exist. The construction of that battleship began in 1937, she was formally commissioned a week after the attack on Pearl Harbor, and she was sunk by the US Navy on April 7, 1945. Over three thousand IJN personnel died with that single ship, more than the total number of people killed and injured in the whole of the Pearl Harbor attack.
As you can imagine, at that time, Japan's government and military considered the Yamato and its loss to be of prodigious physical, psychological, strategic, and spiritual importance. As with so many of their other setbacks, the wartime Japanese government relied on extremely strict censorship to attempt to hide the ship's loss. However, the huge magnitude of that loss meant that the truth became known within days. I'm not Japanese, but I wonder how a Western person might feel if their country had a form of its name, old or otherwise, that was still constantly being mangled and mispronounced by foreigners?
9:29 They might have gone for the restoration to be as close to the appearance as launched, hence the TV appearance of the bridge.
I gotta question: Why do we only see the Enterprise with additional letter designation of Delta? Why didn't they give the Discovery, Reliant, or Defiant additional alphabet identifiers? Also, speaking of the Voyager episodes, what were the two Defiant class ships fighting against the prometheus? The original Defiant was the prototype, then did we get another five commissioned after O'Brien fixes all the "design flaws"? Do you have a review of those ships too?
Bringing back the Enterprise D to save the day in Picard was a great touch, but they significantly detracted from it with the Syracuse line. That means the ship was now half Syracuse, half Enterprise, with most of the energy and firepower coming from the Syracuse. It would have been far better if they had just had Laforge say something like, "The stardrive section was about 70% completed when the Dominion war ended. I had it hauled out of the depot at such-and-such location and brought here. There's not much in it except the engines and the weapons, but that's all we need right now." Then it would have been more like the stardrive was a repair component than part of another starship.
While the Head Honcho of Starfleet (Star Trek (Gene R.)) may have ordered up an initial batch of six, in the "real world" politics, budget and need often cause changes in programs and production schedules. The initial batch might have been truncated at five or perhaps expanded to ten or twelve. But I would assume that the pace of design of starship systems might have been an excuse (a good one) to move on to the Batch II ships after the first five Batch I were laid down and approaching completion.
USS Syracuse and another dozen Galaxy class named for cities / population centers around the Federation may have followed with THEM being supplanted by a "Batch III" as the prospects of war with the Dominion became clearer. Batch III could be "War Emergency" battleships with systems optimized for fast construction and for combat with some of their systems retrofitted into Batch I and Batch II ships as they entered dock for repairs, upgrading power, shield and weapon systems. One of those might well be USS Syracuse (having lost her saucer at some point?) with Geordi deciding not to spend time dismounting the newer systems at present. He wanted Enterprise to be ready to present (too late for Frontier Day perhaps) at some noteworthy event.
More likely, like real world supercarriers, while ordered in batches (frequently in pairs), they all end up as one offs by time of competition.
So the plan may have been 6 Batch 1's leading to 6 Batch 2's, but by then end of production, you've got 12 ships that at most end up in pairs, with steady incremental improvements. The same thing may have happened with the war built Batch 3's, especially if production didn't really stop between Batch 2 and Batch 3.
Then, by the end of the survivors service lives, all the remaining ships are essentially unique, as each ship has seen different combinations of refits based on Starfleet's needs.
Plus, depending on how many shipyards are involved, and exactly how Starfleet numbers it's ships (When ordered v/s when the contract is signed v/s when it's laid down) with delays between yards, the hull numbers might cross over batches, with some batch 1 ships having later numbers than batch 2 ships.
I believe I counted 9 Galaxy-class ships in one DS9 battle scene.
I wonder in addition to messing up the reg number, the effects department changed the name of the ship by mistake?. Could they have intended it to be call the Syracusia? Syracusia would have been a great name for a galaxy ship, The first ship in the world with a indoor water room (by design...), a garden, as well as being well armed and the largest ship in the world when launched. An ideal name for a galaxy class, especially as the original ship was designed by Archimedies it would stand for discovery.
Considering the saucer, section of the enterprise, D and the drive section of the USS Syracuse were literally two different colored hulls I would say they’re not the same batch
The difference can be due to the fact that the underside of the E-D saucer still had scuff marks and discoloration from its crash on Veridian III.
@@mikedicenso2778 no you also see it on top. the saucer and the stardrive clearly have differnt hull colors.
@@Revkor Even the top wasn't unscathed, as attested by the damage done to the bridge despite being so far up on top of the saucer, and we saw the saucer during the crash plow through a large hill.
There's just too many variables because of the crash, and Geordi clearly not having had the time to cosmetically restore it, assuming he was ever going to go that far.
@@mikedicenso2778 Only thwe glass broke on the outside. again take a good looking in picard and pay attention the the colors of the saucer vs the stardrive
not really, it all depends on how long the Enterprise-D's saucer stayed on Veridian III after the crash. the Sun has an oxidizing effect on materials.
One of my favorite Stsrhip Enterprises
In reference to 11:23, one of my gripes with Star Trek, and the consequences of having multiple writers and sometimes limitation of starship models available for an episode, is that there is no cohesive naming convention for ships. Their names are all over the place. Ships of the same class can have varying names referencing cities, people, mythology, concepts, U.S. states, etc. Makes it all very muddled and confusing.
That is a Galaxy class starship! We are no match for them.
- the Duras sisters, Star Trek Generations
In the TNG Episode "Eye of The Beholder" there is an on-screen graphic that has the Syracuse listed as another ship under construction at Utopia Planitia at the same time as the Enterprise.
27:45 That once per turn clause is just obnoxious at this point. It used to be on abilities that would clearly be busted without it. That vampire, for example, if it's other ability said, "3B: Target opponent loses X life, where X is [creature]'s power," I would agree with the once per turn clause on the first part. The creature doesn't even have any keyword or anything, is just pre-nerfed for no reason.
I'm actually curious if the "Galaxy Wing" dialogue from Deep Space Nine could have two, possible meanings. The first is an entire wing of Galaxy Class ships, as most people have assumed. But is it equally possible that it simply refers to a wing where the Galaxy Class is the command ship, and the rest is composed of other classes?
Not sure if it counts as beta cannon or not but how about uss dauntless from bridge commander. I vaguely remember it being mentioned as older in the games manual and that take place after the dominion war
Syracuse had 3 bussard collectors per nacelle like the Sovereign-class. The early Galaxys had two. My head Canon is that Syracuse was probably one of the last Galaxys built before the switch to the Ross-class. She was too far along in construction to be modified, but served as a bridge ship including some Sovereign/ Ross technology in the design.
I wonder if Odyssey is Batch II Galaxy. She has a different bridge than seen on Enterprise and Yamato. There are on-set photos of her commissioning plaque, though, that have her entering service during TNG season 1, so the timing doesn't support it. I guess she's Batch I rev 2?
Loved the video, loved the explanations. However, didn’t she have 64 decks, not 46?
I think she had 42 decks, so my mention of 46 is probably wrong (it won't be the first time I have misspoken!). Sixty-four is a number that rings a bell, but I don't think the Galaxy-class had so many decks, but I might be wrong.
Magelan is mentioned in sacrifice of angels as well . Before that .. she is one of galaxy wings defending siscks flank during the battle
"...The USS Galaxy (NCC-70637), for which the class was named, was commissioned in 2357, and the venerable
USS Enterprise-D (NCC-1701-D), launched in 2363, was the third starship of this class. Other Galaxy-class starships included the USS Yamato (NCC-71807), destroyed in 2365; the USS Challenger (NCC-71099), the USS Odyssey (NCC-71832), and the USS Venture (NCC-71854)"
from the user manual of the game Star Trek Bridge commander.
also featuring the USS San Francisco (NCC-69480) and the USS Dauntless (NCC-71879) which is the player's ship.
Also bear in mind that in the original plans for the best of both worlds, part one and two, admiral, JP Hanson was Intended to be on another galaxy class as his capital ship. That ship has never been properly identified by name. There was galaxy class debris in the debris field of best of both worlds part two, so this would still hold. This never named destroyed galaxy would safely be a batch one. And I do think it would make sense to give it The name of some famous exploration ship from history, or some famous warship from history. What if that Galaxy class carried a name like Columbia, Constitution, or Discovery. If so it would make sense for the Magellan to be Batch 1 and Challenger, Syracuse and Venture to be from Batch 2.
So I don't see any reasoning why the Odyssey is automatically thrown into batch 1.
The Dedication plaque has a commissioning date on it that puts in firmly inside of season 1 TNG, but all that means is it was commissioned after the Enterprise. It could very well have been Batch 2 depending on how many Galaxy Class were being built simultaneously. The Various Federation Fleetyards have a LARGE capacity, and this was the culmination of a 20 year project. for all we know the entire first batch (except the Galaxy as prototype) launched in the same week, since for most Galaxy Class ships we don't have commissioning dates.
There is a reference to the Syracuse being in existence before Season 1, as a personnel file has a crewman being stationed there on stardate 40276.2.
So the Galaxy, Yamato (named as Enterprise's sister ship), Enterprise, and Syracuse are 4 of the first 6, but we may not have even seen the other 2, as by the time more are seen in DS9 there has been plenty of time for batch 2 to have been in service for a few years.
I’m curious where the Galaxy class USS Discovery NCC-72001 came from
I like to keep in mind that there's time between now and then. The Syracuse may have been a famous exploration ship in the 2100s or the early history of the federation, matching the themes of the other Galaxy class vessels.
as a life long star trek fan .. I learned something ..