Minor error: House Florent first supported Renly's claim to the throne following the other Reach lords. Renly himself mocked Stannis at the siege of Storm's End, facing him the fact that he lost his own wife's house's support. However, according to Petyr Baelish, House Florent was the first to bend the knee to Stannis after the assassination of Renly.
Sarude Danstorm no it is more like poland :surrunded by stronger enemys: westerlands, north, valle who have to cross their territorys to fight each other
Sarude Danstorm France was always a central power in Europe. Poland was invaded and partitioned multiple times by powerful neighbors like Germany, Russia, and Austria.
Depends on the time. During the middle ages and renaissance the German lands were in a similar situation as the Riverlands. In ww1 and 2 Poland fits the bill.
13:14 - 13:21 The greatest extent of House Lannister's control, power, and influence in Westeros. Then, Kings Euron and Aegon ruined all that. King Tommen's rule will be devoured by doubt, division, and distrust while Aegon raises his banners above Storm's End for all to see.
I thing the height of house lannister was between blackwater and joffrey death plus tyrion trial,tywin carried the house by sheer willpower,without him is dommed to fall
Meanwhile Aegon might marry Dany who will bring the 3 dragons, the forces of Slavers Bay, the Unsullied, and some Dothraki. Euron is close to becoming Cuthulu, Stannis can take the North and give it to a resurrected John, and the Others march
Probably but it will make sense and it will be consistent with his character unlike the show. In the books the attack on Winterfell is a bold move he can risk because he has 20000 mercs incoming from the Iron Bank and his forces are 5000 vs the Boltons 6000 of which 1000 are not considered reliable.
+Victor I We won't know if the Pink Letter is true or not until the next book comes out but I suspect Stannis will win the Battle of Ice because we know from spoilers that Jon Snow did warn Stannis of the Karstark's planned betrayal in time.
That's because the politics is about people and you can relate to their humanity. The Others and Dragons are powerful forces of nature with nothing for the audience to relate to with regards to humanity. Dragons essentially represent weapons of mass destruction and The Others represent a harsh climate, the winter and hunger and people dying to these natural environmental elements. There's little room for narrative intrigue here.
Well, the others could be climate change in our humanity. Something impending, that people keep warning about, but nothing is being done about it because we're bickering amongst ourselves over petty BS and we may be doomed because of it. Idk what dragons could represent though. Nukes?
@superwhiteboy619 I'd imagine someone would get whatever he has done already and probably just put it online or give it to someone who would finish it. I'd be happy with just seeing the rest of the story continue
Just wanted to let you know that this video inspired me to actually read the books. Just finished A Dance With Dragons today, and I loved all of it, so thanks for motivating me to do that!
He will die beyond the wall after he takes Winterfell from Bolton, and then Jon will take the throne of the North and he is called Jon VII lord of Winterfell the king of the first men and the King of the North
@@cltcthuganomics2570 Why would he go beyond the wall, that's not a smart tactical decision. If he dies so Jon can take over, it might be because Stannis could die fighting FAegon or Euron.
MaloThe Marshall You are not caught up AT ALL then... SPOILER ALERT: Prince Obieryn is killed by the mountain. In retaliation, Elia Martell kills Cersei Lannister's daughter, Marcela, and then the ruler of Dorne, Obieryn's brother and Trystan, the ruler's son. Then in season 7 the Euron Greyjoy fleet attacks Yara and Theon Greyjoy, Elia Martell and her daughters, who were all declared to House Targaryen. ... As of now Elia Martell and her daughter are imprisoned in the Red Keep by Cersei Lannister, and Elia Martell's daughter is poisoned by Cersei, the same way that Elia poisoned Marcela, the Long Farewell.
You do know that Elia Martell died in Robert's rebellion right? You're talking about Ellaria Sand. And that's exactly what I meant with rulers, the ruling family of Dorne was killed, but that was about it. No large damages to lands, structures or population like the other kingdoms have suffered.
They really savaged some of these storylines in the show. Up until the end of season 3 it was still pretty faithful to the overall events. But after that, Stannis and Littlefinger were severely ruined. Both are meant to be extremely smart and capable rulers but theyre portrayed as a stock tragic figure and stock bad guy. It sucks. The show needed more politics and intrigue, and less spectacle and fan service.
For all to read... Even if Stannis does defeat the Boltons and restores House Stark, he would have some extreme challenges to face if he wants to take the throne, let alone defending against the others: First and foremost, Aegon's Invasion is already gaining momentum by taking over the Stormlands. He has the most professional mercenary company that has a mixture of infantry and cavalry as well as a few elephants. That is a huge asset as elephants easily scare horses. Jon Connington would also have a ruthless and pragmatic mindset after years of exile, meaning that he and the Golden Company will fight dirty to order to win the war. Second, Storm's End, the last piece of Stannis' land in Southern Westeros, is all but taken over by the Golden Company. Ironically, Stannis was planning to send Ser Justin Massey to hire them. Even more insulting, JonCon would take a lesson from ruthless Lord Tywin and violate sacred hospitality and kill Stannis' men there, taking the massive fortress. Third, with Quentyn Martell burned to ashes, Prince Doran would eventually find out that his son is dead. With Aegon's victories, a letter from JonCon, and with Plan A considered a failure, he would resort to having all of Dorne swear loyalty to Aegon and go to war for him, no matter what. This would make sense considering that he wants "vengeance, justice, fire and blood" after the death of his sister and niece. Fourth, Aegon's momentum will no doubt lure some "friends from the Reach." House Rowan would join because they are Targaryen loyalists. Ruthless Lord Randyll Tarly would also join Aegon under the promise of rewards and prestige that Lord Mace Tyrell would take for himself, at least on three occasions. Those three cases are ownership of Brightwater Keep, the home of House Florent, Randyll's in-law family; and the credit of defeating Robert and Stannis Baratheon (in the battles of Ashford and the Blackwater respectively). House Tyrell would NOT able to switch sides because of Margery Tyrell's marraige to King Tommen. As long as both of the newlyweds live, House Tyrell would have to stick with the Lannisters in the meantime. Fifth, with Littlefinger as Lord Paramount of the Trident and regent to the Lord Paramount of the Vale, he basically controls two of the nine regions of Westeros. If Stannis is not quick enough, Littlefinger could have all of Riverlands and the Vale support Aegon instead of Stannis, possibly to gain even more power and prestige. Considering Littlefinger's current plans and with him hiding Ned Stark's oldest daughter, this is more than likely. Sixth, the rearming of the Faith Militant and the rise of their High Sparrow has created a three-way fight for control of King's Landing against Houses Lannister and Tyrell. With Aegon's Invasion, the Faith could possibly support him over King Tommen. With more and more people joining them, chaos and violence will flourish in King's Landing. Seventh, the murder of Kevan Lannister is the start of Lord Varys taking a more active role in order to make Aegon king. With his mastery of acting, he can use that to influence people such as the High Sparrow to either support Aegon or create trouble in the city. Lastly, dragons will come to Westeros, no matter the outcome at the Battle of Meereen. While the Mother of Dragons might arrive with her three children, the Unsullied, and the Dothraki; It might ALSO be possible that King Euron Greyjoy could take control of a dragon with his sacred Dragonbinder horn (Possible R.I.P. Victarion) and cause havoc. Dragons coming to Westeros will bring fire and blood to everyone, including Stannis' forces. So, in short, Stannis and his forces would have an extremely uphill struggle after the Battle of Ice.
@@dronite0019 I was talking about Tarly siding with Aegon against the Tyrells. Think about it, you're Randyll Tarly, you're the best commander the Reach had to offer and throughout your career you've been overlooked and had your glory taken by Mace Tyrell, this fat fuck who wouldn't be able to tie his shoes without his Grandmother's help. I know we don't get much time with Tarly directly but all this has to secretly be eating away at him. I don't see why he wouldn't defect with all this taken into account.
imagine if robb wasnt stupid enough to name himself king in the north and instead sided with stannis how perfect everything would be.the wolf and the stag would be united again
First of all, Robb didn't crown himself. His bannerman did. And Robb was crowned before Stannis crowned himself. When they crowned him, Robb and The North still believe that Joffrey and Tommen are the rightful heir. Robb's plan was to kill Joffrey and makes Tommen king.
@@Aaronomus the problem is that stannis believed that the lannisters have poisoned john arryn and so he was scared that may he have been poisoned or killed too.
3:00: “All men know me for the trueborn son of Steffon Baratheon, Lord of Storm’s End, by his lady wife Cassana of House Estermont. I declare upon the honor of my House that my "beloved" (removed) brother Robert, our late king, left no trueborn issue of his body, the boy Joffrey, the boy Tommen, and the girl Myrcella being abominations born of incest between Cersei Lannister and her brother "Ser" Jaime the Kingslayer (grudging insertion). By right of birth and blood, I do this day lay claim to the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. Let all true men declare their loyalty. Done in the Light of the Lord, under the sign and seal of Stannis of House Baratheon, the First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms.” - ACOK, Davos I
3:04 House Florent declared for Renly though. Selyce hoped her family would support her husband but Stannis realised the Florents would be in a difficult position to do so. They did declare for Stannis after Renly's death.
Honestly of the 5 kings in this war Robb Stark was the most intelligent. He was brilliant on the battlefield and was crushing the Lannisters but he knew that he needed help. He wanted peace with Renly because he knew if he could keep Tywin busy Renly had a great chance of taking the Iron Throne. We wanted peace with the Greyjoys because he knew Balon only wanted to be an independent kingdom like the north and their alliance would cripple the Lannisters on both land and sea. However the greed and stupidity of the other kings cost him his goals because they didn't think Robb's plan would work. Imagine if Theon was able to convince his father to side with the North. That would be an alliance no one could stand against.
The thing I love about this War is about the politics regarding the noble houses, how just a mistake (the execution of Ned Stark) can start a massive civil war, how wispers of a possible truth may inspire many people to take advantage. Also I love how this wars teaches us that wars are not only won through battles, I mean Robb Stark was never defeated in battle but a series of mistakes made him lose the whole North, the war and his life. And most importantly, this showed how humanity always finds a way to destroy itself when there are things that we should take care of instead of pitty kings. The Others are that example, we know they are coming, that only a united Westeros can defeat them but this war has weakened everyone, no matter who wins this war, if they don't stop now, this will be the end of all and the coming of the Long Night once and for all
No, this war didn't teach you anything :) It's the opposite. A small mistake was just a spark while the groundwork had been laid much earlier and had to do with economics
@@fildariusv7045 There are big economic powers in Westeros, like the Lannisters and the Reach, right? Were they content with their position during Robert's rule? What was it that Dorne secretly wanted to get back that had been lost? Etc.
Yeah I was gonna say, it’s a bit weird that there’s this one little stark holdout who does nothing books after the starks have lost all their power. Once Stannis beats Asha the Stark cause is well and truly lost
i am currently reading A Dance and with 600 ish pages in and some spoilers that slipped into can i finally watch the whole video. Finally thx for your passionate work
Yep, most people don't realize just how early Roose was plotting. He officially turned on Robb after Stannis lost the Blackwater, but he was hedging his bets as early as the Green Fork by keeping his own men out of the fight. This doesn't even include what Ramsay was up to.
RandomMikael While he wasn't really selling out to the Lannisters at first. He was positioning himself so that if the north won the war, Rose would have the most men out of all the other northern houses and could rise up and supplant the starks. Only after learning of Jaime's escape and the Blackwater and Tyrell alliance did Roose turncloak.
I wonder why he would want to betray Robb. Did he not have faith they could win the war? What was it that Robb did that made Roose think, "This kid clearly isn't winning the war, time to plot a betrayal." Because early on they were winning and they had a shot at winning and Roose likely would have been given a lot of land and titles.
Damn you Edmure. Your "victory" at the Steel Mill mad Tywin retreat and assist in the Blackwater. If you had lead them further inland, he would have been unable to form an alliance and assist KL, causing Kings Landing to fall.
RandomMikael Yup Roose was planning a rebellion from the beginning and the war gave him the perfect opportunity to weaken the other lords. Though it technically is Edmure's fault, I feel that Robb and the Blackfish should have explained the situation fully to him, then Robb could have bent the knee to Stannis and the war won.
After reading tons of fanfics on what could have been, I will never fail to look at the books themselves and see how this is literally the worst case scenario through and through. Constant, cataclysmic war that has totally enraptured the 7 kingdoms minus dorne and the vale, and look at the losses. The riverlands is more a memory than a reality, depopulated and ruined to shit. The north has been betrayed, invaded, and has fought itself many times over, with the western coast under years of strain from the ironborne, house bolton stubbornly holding onto their gains in the midst of the worst winter in history, and the houses of the north still not in accord all the while a vestige of the war of 5 kings continues to push for his claim up there. Based on what we know, it looks like (and i truly hope) that stannis will win in the books against the boltons, but at what cost? Say he wins winterfell with whatever troops survive, winter is already here. He will undoubtedly march south, likely taking moat cailin and meeting up with hired sellswords from braavos. The what? March once again against the lannisters, only this time they will be without tywin, likely fighting themselves in some way in kinds landing if the show actually displays anything, Ok, so with an army he will fight agains the weary and dying in the riverlands, perhaps eliminate house frey for good and march toward kings landing with mostly foreign swords, since thats almost al thats left. Dorne surely backs Aegon, although im convinced hes a mummers dragon, and it breaks my heart that Jon will probably continue in the north, despite the fact that he is clearly the trueborn heir that he is. So then you probably end up with dorne and the "stormlands" (golden company) fighting against the reach, while the reach itself either wins against euron in the south, or some sort of kraken blood sacrifice makes things go apeshit. Now the reach is being ruined, when their food is desperately needed in the north where the real fight is taking place. Regardless, this is just the renewed war for the throne. whats left of the lannisters may end up fighting against Stannis much as they fought against Robb, with some sort of northern support because I suspect a stark comes back to winterfell, likely Rickon or Jon perhaps. Whether the Tyrells die in Kings landing or not, the reach is in an insanely bad situation, all the while Daenarys eventually takes dragonstone and begins her own war for the throne. I suspect that Baelish, with the corpse of the riverlands and the vale, supports the lannisters and does something with Sansa once he gets her. Now what?? By the seven this is constant war and loss, while the white fucking walkers are probably taking the damn wall with an undermanned, understrength, non-unified nights watch, not even accounting for a possible horn that just blows the wall to bits. Now, the war for the dawn is beginning in what? the last two books that will never be written? And instead of my rose tinted glasses versions of fanfictions where the kingdoms are unified, prepared, sometimes more dragons and riders even, where even then they take considerable losses in pursuit of victory, instead the situation is literally the worst case. The north is devastated, not unified, and bled dry. The white walkers trounce the north no questions asked if the wall can't hold for some time. People across the kindgoms offer no support to the true war, they are either dead or dying, and have bigger fish to fry as the blackfyre rebellion occurs for the last time, a targaryen with 3 dragons is probably burning lannisters and members of the golden company, and the lannisters exist in tatters as do the reach if dorne and Euron tag team both sides. So much for food i guess. The throne is a joke more than ever, the vale has forced under the command of a scheming lunatic, who will believe he has a chance at the throne before he believes in grumpkins and snarks. The end result? Stannis (one of the few great commanders left) probably dies in the riverlands or in a second battle for kings landing, or my favorite to daenarys who just puts him out of his misery. A mummers dragon sees initial success, only to have to come to terms with the fact that he literally is a mercenary king, and unloved by the people. He either also loses to the true dragon, or horrifies me with initial success, or god forbid an attempted assassination or marriage to the true dragon. I have no idea how GRRM slots Jon into all of this, he either rises to become a protagonist in its fullest sense, or falls to the wayside trying to convince people of the true war, at least initially. I Don't see how the burned out husk of winterfell, or any of the north for that matter (save for maybe bear island) makes it through the initial while walker invasion. The walkers gain considerable forces, and at best i see a stand by the neck from the forces of the living, if they are even ready by that time. Baelish has to die before anyone commits to this war, i Dont think the lannisters could be of any help, the reach is either in disarray or at best unwilling to help either, perhaps dany helps but what about Aegon? He is fresh in the conflict when he invades westeros, would certainly not be on Jon's side if the truth comes out, and perhaps won't even ally with Dany as they both want the throne for themselves. Does he die too? With his fresh army of mercenaries, not that they would fight against the white walkers, they would probably flee to essos long before that. THIS is the worst case scenario, and it is what GRRM loves to contemplate and write about. It is much more accurate to humanity itself than the shit I read, although I fear that this could end up with the white walkers... winning... I mean we don't even know if they have a night king, we have no idea if killing one takes the wytes that they raised personally, and we Dont have an inkling of knowledge as to their powers when it comes to bringing true winter to the continent. With invasion after invasion, civil war after civil war, there is an unforgivable amount of animosity between sides-- No one will ever trust the Iron Borne again, nor after two civil wars and now Eurons nonsense. Where they made all these boats, where they got all of these sailors is beyond me. The Lannisters are fucked in reputation and in leadership with Tywins death, and has burned bridges with the riverlands, north, perhaps even the reach is Cersei does what she may do, and was already an enemy of Dorne, whatever their plans are. (Not to mention the stormlands and vale). Who gives a shit about a throne at this point, the kingdoms are pretty much completely disunited now no matter the outcome. Perhaps only the dragons can reign in the kingdoms reluctantly, and dany would have to be pretty flawless to do so, which i suspect she will not.
@@Darius0109 Jon I agree but could be a subversion of expectations if he comes back changed or if he does not end up as a true protagonist. As for Stannis, I wouldn't call that fanservice for two reasons: One is that if the northern conspiracy is true and if he does indeed use the ice to sink the frey army, then that is both an earned redemption of the blackwater and a believable coup against Bolton rule, meaning that Stannis wins convincingly and less like the miracle that was the Battle of the Bastards. Second is that Stannis winning is allowing him to descend further into madness, George has already confirmed that Shireen meets the same fate in the books, so it would be less fan service if he ends up being an antagonist himself. On another note, I do not consider things fan service when they allow for the story to be expanded upon, and I simply think that Stannis' camp offers better story than the Bolton one. No good POVs now in Winterfell, I would rather see through a returned Davos or something the clusterfuck that would be Stannis trying to rule over the north through this mess...
...in James Hibberd's book "Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon" (talking about the 2013 meeting with D&D) "It wasn’t easy for me. I didn’t want to give away my books. It’s not easy to talk about the end of my books. Every character has a different end. I told them who would be on the Iron Throne, and I told them some big twists like Hodor and “hold the door,” and Stannis’s decision to burn his daughter. We didn’t get to everybody by any means. Especially the minor characters, who may have very different endings."@@Darius0109 So not only did he plan (in 2013, obviously could change over time) for a similar fate for Shireen, he explicitly said for this book that it was "Stannis' decision", which insinuates that he will at least be around long enough for that command to be given. Now, he could retreat with the remnants of an army to Castle Black or Eastwatch, and make the order there out of desperation, but at the very least his story does not end at Winterfell based on existing evidence. There is the "Frey Pies" theory that Wyman has baked three Freys into a pie that is served at Ramsey's wedding feast, there are possibilities like poison, or simply killing Bolton leadership and the army choosing to retreat to the Dreadfort rather than continue a siege without leaders. Or a passageway could be opened in the night for the besieging army, while the guards are drugged during a feast or celebration, While Stannis' force is enjoined by other Northern houses that switch sides.
@darius0109 late by several months but as for the Ironborn most of their men is mostly because they actually haven't lost any real decisive battles in the war yet. The one's left in the North were mostly skeleton garrisons with Moat Cailin having only like 65 defenders with only 55 being actually capable of fighting (which them holding off the Boltons for as long as they did that's impressive). So their manpower is mostly because besides Asha whose in the North the Ironborn are united, have most of their manpower, and as for their ships well they're longships. Even the Iron Fleet ships while larger likely wouldn't take too long to make. And the favored Ironborn naval tactic is to board enemy ships and then take said ships for their own so a good portion of their navy is filled with taken mainlander ships as Theon notes in one of his POV Chapters and since the Ironborn wear armour even when they're on their ships they have significant advantage over the other mainlanders so long as they board their ships and as shown with the Taking of the Shield Islands by Euron they're led by someone whose a competent military leader.
With this amount of chaos in Westeros. The Others/White Walkers would probably have easy time killing everyone off. Assuming the wall doesn't fall that is. And that's assuming the horn of Joramun hasn't been found.
4:43 "The only mystery is how your brother reached him. Our forces still hold the stronghold at the Golden Tooth, and they swear he did not pass.” SANSA lll, ACOK And regarding Stannis most of his supporters bend the Knee immediatly after the blackwater, it would be safe to turn all the south red but for Dragonstone, Stormsend and our always True and loyal Fair island
J Felipe Munra Vel Actually the Stormlords who are still in their castles and the people left behind stay loyal until the tyrell forces are dispatched to bring them to heel.
All of the Stormlands never joined Stannis in the first place. 4/5 of the combined Reach and Stormlands caverly did. Many lords even stayed neutral until Aegon showed up and started taking castles.
Боян Михов Aye it was the cavalry but among them were many lords and landed knights. But yes, a few stayed neutral to wait out the storm, traitors and cravens.
Dylan Lowers The other point I am making is that since the Reach had many more man than the Stormlands they also had more cavelry. So there were actually more Reach lords joining Stannis than Stormlands lords. That's the reason I don't understand why everyone is saying the Stormlands joined Stannis but no one says that the Reach also joined him
What I like the most out of all of this video is that you look at it all from a neutral perspective. From this neutral perspective, the Lannisters seem like the good guys and the Starks the aggressors with Tyrion's unlawful capture. Even Ned's execution seems pretty just. Just thought it was interesting is all.
That's the beauty of the story as told in the books, being told from the perspective of different participants each chapter has a different bias. It really seems like Tyrion is a villain until he isn't. Ned Stark's execution was marred only by the fact that he was supposed to be allowed to take the black and join the Night's Watch in exchange for his confession.
In the fourth book, the Lannister ARE the good guys. Ok, it's always a war, but they are the only who create order in the Riverlands, after that bloody conflict between the lion and the wolf in AGOT, ACOK and ASOS. And there are Tommen and Kevan, which are truly good men.
@@feliceiudice3773 Yeah they created some semblance of "order" when it was their butchers: Clegane, Lorch and Hoat who created the disorder to begin with
@@futurei0oo The Mormonts are smart and they know their place when in the presence of The One True King. They want independence but they're supporting Stannis because he helped out their neighbor (House Glover) and is fighting for an honorable cause.
099Nitro knowing how Martin likes to break our hearts. We might see Stannis winning the battle on the ice and unite the North once Davos by then would have found Rickon. Stannis is still the underdog. Once he starts winning however.... Well, we might see the Iron Stag die fighting the Others at a breached area of the wall.
It isn't confirmed but it's heavily implied and believed. Do you really think Melisandre would kill Renly using magic without her kings permission. Stannis is a very strict man and would likely execute for something like that. I'm pretty sure he had a hand in it but he was in denial because of it.
@@amanimckenzie32 In actuality, Stannis never gave the order to kill his brother with the shadow baby. Melisandre deliberately unleashed the baby WITHOUT permission so that when Renly is killed under mysterious circumstances, Stannis believes that it was the will of the Lord of Light. As Professor Attewell of Race for the Iron Throne said regarding Stannis' seeing Renly's death: "When viewed in context, I think we should take him at his word - that Stannis subconsciously experienced the assassination of Renly but did not order it. Earlier in the same chapter, when the parlay is debating whether Brienne killed Renly, Stannis cuts across the argument by saying “the Lord of Light willed that my brother die for his treason.” For all that Stannis might not be the most fervent R’hllorite, he clearly has come to believe in Melisandre’s prophecies."
@@DrSwiftkiller But then if Stannis wasn't apart of the assassination how comes Melisandre obtained the Kings blood to make the shadow. Doesn't she need kingsblood in order to perform her magic? Stannis and Shireen where the only ones around Melisandre that have kings blood (as they had not gained Edric Storm yet) and It's never implied that Shireen had anything to do with it so it had to be Stannis's blood she used.
@@amanimckenzie32 King's blood was never an ingredient to make a shadow assassin, only the life force of a person. Shadow magic is not exclusive to followers of R'hllor. Melisandre deliberately leaves out information to Stannis so that his faith in the Lord of Light becomes stronger. She even offers to make more shadow babies with Davos in ASOS, Davos III: “Is the brave Ser Onions so frightened of a passing shadow? Take heart, then. Shadows only live when given birth by light, and the king’s fires burn so low I dare not draw off any more to make another son. It might well kill him.” Melisandre moved closer. “With another man, though…a man whose flames still burn hot and high…if you truly wish to serve your king’s cause, come to my chamber one night. I could give you pleasure such as you have never known, and with your life-fire I could make…”
@@DrSwiftkiller Oh I never knew that you can do it with anyone. Anyways even if you can use any blood don't we know that Melisandre used Stannis's since she said in the quote you just used 'The king's fires burn so low I dare not draw any more to make another son. It might well kill him.' We also know she used Stannis since after the death of Renly and Courtney Penrose he looks drastically older. And also if her magic doesn't require Kings blood why does she need Edric as a sacrifice.
Phase 1: Robb, Renly, Stannis, Joffrey, Balon Phase 2: Stannis, Tommen, Aegon, Euron Phase 3: Aegon, Euron, Dany, Stark King #2, Others My personal favorite is going to be Phase 3.
Basicly in books Aegon Targeryen(the one that was supposed to be killed during sack of Kings Landing before events from book and TV series) is revealed to be alive at some point. Because of Vays scheming, Golden Company of mercenaries side with him and they invade Stormlands at the end of V. I think it happens before Margaery trial.
Please, someone could shed light on who is Aegon VI? Is he the son of Elia Martell, and is he still alive? I haven't read the books yet. Isn't Danny the 'last' known Targaryen in the books? Or Aegon VI = JS? (This last doesn't make sense according to the video.)
In the books, according to lord Varys, he swaped Aegon with a random kid and sent him to Essos with Rhaegar's best friend Jon Connington. There is a theory that this claim is false however and he is in reality a Blackfire, a member of a bastard branch of house Targaryen (maybe you've heared about the Blackfire rebelion?), a fact that both him and Jon C ignore. That is believed to be the reason that the golden company (a merc company created by the Blackfires) and lord Varys(who is believed to be a Blackfire himself) support him.
Wow, thanks! It would be a crazy plot twist, if this would appear in the show. The producers didn't leave much options for some of the characters (e.g. Varys) in the show, though. What a pity.
@@ubelyildmar2368 If Aegon were in the show, it wouldn’t solved the many pacing issues with Seasons 5&6. It also would’ve been a much more engaging story than Dany vs. Cersei in Seasons 7&8. Hell, Aegon becoming loved by the people and Varys using propaganda to make him more loved and Dany look more like a villainous barbarian would explain why Dany burns King’s Landing.
Not really. Neither of them are helping the Lannisters during the war. It's known from the fourth book that Doran Martell is planning to support Aegon VI. Also he has a great grudge agaisnt Tywin for ordering to kill Elia Martell during Robert's rebellion. And the Vale is controlled by Petyr Baelish who manipulates Lisa Arryn (and later becomes lord-protector for her underage son). It's very clear from Sansa's chapters that he's not a Lannister supporter but rather has his own interests.
The Realm will be a terrible shape. It would be divided between three kings and The Iron Throne would be plagued by so much corruption. With a divided realm means all out war, which means so many men don't have to die will die in the constant wars caused by that vile traitor. Also, so many brothers would fight each other over lands, so even more people will die.
Minor error: House Florent first supported Renly's claim to the throne following the other Reach lords. Renly himself mocked Stannis at the siege of Storm's End, facing him the fact that he lost his own wife's house's support. However, according to Petyr Baelish, House Florent was the first to bend the knee to Stannis after the assassination of Renly.
By the way doesn't Dagmer Cleftjaw still hold Torrhen's Square?
@@joshuaherbert30 he does
i am very grateful for ur correction
The Riverlands, _Poland_ of Westeros.
more like Belgium.
Reminds me more of France
Sarude Danstorm no it is more like poland :surrunded by stronger enemys: westerlands, north, valle who have to cross their territorys to fight each other
Sarude Danstorm France was always a central power in Europe. Poland was invaded and partitioned multiple times by powerful neighbors like Germany, Russia, and Austria.
Depends on the time. During the middle ages and renaissance the German lands were in a similar situation as the Riverlands. In ww1 and 2 Poland fits the bill.
7:00 Did someone else noticed the green section above the Blackwaters River simulating the Wildfire from the battle? Hahaha Epic!
Manuel Alonso Domínguez Vázquez actually it is a marker that shows where is blackwater bay
13:14 - 13:21
The greatest extent of House Lannister's control, power, and influence in Westeros. Then, Kings Euron and Aegon ruined all that.
King Tommen's rule will be devoured by doubt, division, and distrust while Aegon raises his banners above Storm's End for all to see.
Well said
I thing the height of house lannister was between blackwater and joffrey death plus tyrion trial,tywin carried the house by sheer willpower,without him is dommed to fall
@@alphagamer9505 post red wedding until Tywin’s death was the height of house Lannister
House Lannister serves as the equivalent of the cursed House of Atreus of Greek Mythology.
Meanwhile Aegon might marry Dany who will bring the 3 dragons, the forces of Slavers Bay, the Unsullied, and some Dothraki. Euron is close to becoming Cuthulu, Stannis can take the North and give it to a resurrected John, and the Others march
It is a shame what the TV show did to Stannis's character.
He's probably still screwed but we shall (maybe, eventually) find out.
Probably but it will make sense and it will be consistent with his character unlike the show.
In the books the attack on Winterfell is a bold move he can risk because he has 20000 mercs incoming from the Iron Bank and his forces are 5000 vs the Boltons 6000 of which 1000 are not considered reliable.
He lost the fight in the book?
+Victor I
We won't know if the Pink Letter is true or not until the next book comes out but I suspect Stannis will win the Battle of Ice because we know from spoilers that Jon Snow did warn Stannis of the Karstark's planned betrayal in time.
Derrick Bonsell he's in a pretty good position in the TWOW released chapter.
I always considered the political game far more interesting than the fantasy elements of the Others and dragons.
lothaw me too in fact I kind of hate the dragons there are everything game of thrones is not
Grrm admits he failed in some of the things but all of it still makes sense.
That's because the politics is about people and you can relate to their humanity. The Others and Dragons are powerful forces of nature with nothing for the audience to relate to with regards to humanity.
Dragons essentially represent weapons of mass destruction and The Others represent a harsh climate, the winter and hunger and people dying to these natural environmental elements. There's little room for narrative intrigue here.
Well, the others could be climate change in our humanity. Something impending, that people keep warning about, but nothing is being done about it because we're bickering amongst ourselves over petty BS and we may be doomed because of it. Idk what dragons could represent though. Nukes?
books - you love history, geography and politics. tv series - you love dragon/medieval fantasy, undead apocalyse, sex scenes
Nearly 6 years since this video & I fear we’re not much closer to Winds of Winter…
i dont think it is going to come out for another 5 years if we are lucky and i dont think we will see how things are going to end, GRRM is 75 already
Fuck
@@cosmicgrim7963
I imagine if George dies before releasing the books, he has a team or something that will likely finish the books(using his notes).
@superwhiteboy619 I'd imagine someone would get whatever he has done already and probably just put it online or give it to someone who would finish it. I'd be happy with just seeing the rest of the story continue
El bozo
Just wanted to let you know that this video inspired me to actually read the books. Just finished A Dance With Dragons today, and I loved all of it, so thanks for motivating me to do that!
AGOT and ADWD are my favorite.
Stannis Baratheon is the one true king of Westeros may all true men declare their loyalty
Let no man claime ignorance as an excuse
I’ll declare for stannis
@@thedefiant6244 Me too.
He will die beyond the wall after he takes Winterfell from Bolton, and then Jon will take the throne of the North and he is called Jon VII lord of Winterfell the king of the first men and the King of the North
@@cltcthuganomics2570 Why would he go beyond the wall, that's not a smart tactical decision. If he dies so Jon can take over, it might be because Stannis could die fighting FAegon or Euron.
THE MANNIS LIVES ON
The Lords Declarent were by far the most badass faction. They lasted so long...
Anyways, hope Stannis defeats the Boltons! The one true king!
In short: One really big mess...and only the Vale and Dorne don't loose anything.
MaloThe Marshall Dorne got hit with a devastating blow in the show.
The only Dornish that died were a few guards killed by Bronn and Jaime and the rulers...compared to all other kingdoms I call that nothing.
MaloThe Marshall You are not caught up AT ALL then...
SPOILER ALERT:
Prince Obieryn is killed by the mountain. In retaliation, Elia Martell kills Cersei Lannister's daughter, Marcela, and then the ruler of Dorne, Obieryn's brother and Trystan, the ruler's son. Then in season 7 the Euron Greyjoy fleet attacks Yara and Theon Greyjoy, Elia Martell and her daughters, who were all declared to House Targaryen. ... As of now Elia Martell and her daughter are imprisoned in the Red Keep by Cersei Lannister, and Elia Martell's daughter is poisoned by Cersei, the same way that Elia poisoned Marcela, the Long Farewell.
You do know that Elia Martell died in Robert's rebellion right? You're talking about Ellaria Sand. And that's exactly what I meant with rulers, the ruling family of Dorne was killed, but that was about it. No large damages to lands, structures or population like the other kingdoms have suffered.
FrostyWolfZ This is a book video, nothing to do with the show.
Funny how the mountain apparently does so much in the books yet barely had any screen time in the show until he was turned into a mute zombie.
The Mountain is extremely underutilized in the show.
They really savaged some of these storylines in the show. Up until the end of season 3 it was still pretty faithful to the overall events. But after that, Stannis and Littlefinger were severely ruined. Both are meant to be extremely smart and capable rulers but theyre portrayed as a stock tragic figure and stock bad guy. It sucks. The show needed more politics and intrigue, and less spectacle and fan service.
D&D: We kinda forgot about that.
Stannis was ruined from the very beginning
It is not spectacle, it is the fantasy that a FANTASY WORLD used to have.
For all to read...
Even if Stannis does defeat the Boltons and restores House Stark, he would have some extreme challenges to face if he wants to take the throne, let alone defending against the others:
First and foremost, Aegon's Invasion is already gaining momentum by taking over the Stormlands. He has the most professional mercenary company that has a mixture of infantry and cavalry as well as a few elephants. That is a huge asset as elephants easily scare horses. Jon Connington would also have a ruthless and pragmatic mindset after years of exile, meaning that he and the Golden Company will fight dirty to order to win the war.
Second, Storm's End, the last piece of Stannis' land in Southern Westeros, is all but taken over by the Golden Company. Ironically, Stannis was planning to send Ser Justin Massey to hire them. Even more insulting, JonCon would take a lesson from ruthless Lord Tywin and violate sacred hospitality and kill Stannis' men there, taking the massive fortress.
Third, with Quentyn Martell burned to ashes, Prince Doran would eventually find out that his son is dead. With Aegon's victories, a letter from JonCon, and with Plan A considered a failure, he would resort to having all of Dorne swear loyalty to Aegon and go to war for him, no matter what. This would make sense considering that he wants "vengeance, justice, fire and blood" after the death of his sister and niece.
Fourth, Aegon's momentum will no doubt lure some "friends from the Reach." House Rowan would join because they are Targaryen loyalists. Ruthless Lord Randyll Tarly would also join Aegon under the promise of rewards and prestige that Lord Mace Tyrell would take for himself, at least on three occasions. Those three cases are ownership of Brightwater Keep, the home of House Florent, Randyll's in-law family; and the credit of defeating Robert and Stannis Baratheon (in the battles of Ashford and the Blackwater respectively). House Tyrell would NOT able to switch sides because of Margery Tyrell's marraige to King Tommen. As long as both of the newlyweds live, House Tyrell would have to stick with the Lannisters in the meantime.
Fifth, with Littlefinger as Lord Paramount of the Trident and regent to the Lord Paramount of the Vale, he basically controls two of the nine regions of Westeros. If Stannis is not quick enough, Littlefinger could have all of Riverlands and the Vale support Aegon instead of Stannis, possibly to gain even more power and prestige. Considering Littlefinger's current plans and with him hiding Ned Stark's oldest daughter, this is more than likely.
Sixth, the rearming of the Faith Militant and the rise of their High Sparrow has created a three-way fight for control of King's Landing against Houses Lannister and Tyrell. With Aegon's Invasion, the Faith could possibly support him over King Tommen. With more and more people joining them, chaos and violence will flourish in King's Landing.
Seventh, the murder of Kevan Lannister is the start of Lord Varys taking a more active role in order to make Aegon king. With his mastery of acting, he can use that to influence people such as the High Sparrow to either support Aegon or create trouble in the city.
Lastly, dragons will come to Westeros, no matter the outcome at the Battle of Meereen. While the Mother of Dragons might arrive with her three children, the Unsullied, and the Dothraki; It might ALSO be possible that King Euron Greyjoy could take control of a dragon with his sacred Dragonbinder horn (Possible R.I.P. Victarion) and cause havoc. Dragons coming to Westeros will bring fire and blood to everyone, including Stannis' forces.
So, in short, Stannis and his forces would have an extremely uphill struggle after the Battle of Ice.
someguy63- Tarly won’t betray his liege lord.
It’s been an uphill battle since he was born. I’m sure the mannis can manage.
@@dronite0019 What makes you say that ?
Callum Webb the Tyrells are backing the iron throne (Lannisters) I haven’t seen any hints that they’re planning to join Aegon
@@dronite0019 I was talking about Tarly siding with Aegon against the Tyrells. Think about it, you're Randyll Tarly, you're the best commander the Reach had to offer and throughout your career you've been overlooked and had your glory taken by Mace Tyrell, this fat fuck who wouldn't be able to tie his shoes without his Grandmother's help. I know we don't get much time with Tarly directly but all this has to secretly be eating away at him. I don't see why he wouldn't defect with all this taken into account.
To be continued in the Winds of Winter..
..sometime in the next decade.
edit: I feel vindicated
it should be soon i mean dance took 6 years and thats it roughly been 6 years now
true but hes been saying "later this year" every year since 2014
So much for that ...
Optimist
Eh, we're getting there
imagine if robb wasnt stupid enough to name himself king in the north and instead sided with stannis how perfect everything would be.the wolf and the stag would be united again
waiting for the dragon to roast them and take back what is rightfully hers.
First of all, Robb didn't crown himself. His bannerman did. And Robb was crowned before Stannis crowned himself. When they crowned him, Robb and The North still believe that Joffrey and Tommen are the rightful heir. Robb's plan was to kill Joffrey and makes Tommen king.
Not stannis , but renly.
@@Aaronomus the problem is that stannis believed that the lannisters have poisoned john arryn and so he was scared that may he have been poisoned or killed too.
@@abiraljha8752 Fuck Renly, he was dishonorable traitor and a pompous, narcissistic, jackass obsessed with appearances and glory.
Great video! Glad to see a changing map was made for the book version of ASOIAF.
Robb never took the golden tooth, he used an unknown goat trail to bypass it.Great vid btw
A great choice of music too.
This is ridiculously detailed, kudos to everyone who worked on it!
3:00: “All men know me for the trueborn son of Steffon Baratheon, Lord of Storm’s End, by his lady wife Cassana of House Estermont. I declare upon the honor of my House that my "beloved" (removed) brother Robert, our late king, left no trueborn issue of his body, the boy Joffrey, the boy Tommen, and the girl Myrcella being abominations born of incest between Cersei Lannister and her brother "Ser" Jaime the Kingslayer (grudging insertion). By right of birth and blood, I do this day lay claim to the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. Let all true men declare their loyalty. Done in the Light of the Lord, under the sign and seal of Stannis of House Baratheon, the First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms.” - ACOK, Davos I
All Hail King Stannis!
Behold! A man knows what he is doing!
I know you made this a while back, but i just found it and loved it. finally started reading the books yesterday.
Todd Stewart Glad you liked it ❤️
A great video. Very well researched.
Good job
nice profile pic lol
Ur too gg
Amazing details and I love your style of mapping!
3:04 House Florent declared for Renly though. Selyce hoped her family would support her husband but Stannis realised the Florents would be in a difficult position to do so. They did declare for Stannis after Renly's death.
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT VIDEO!
This guy put more effort into this video than the so-called "show-writers" ever did to the show.
Naw fam
Nah is not at that, the first four seasons were very good.
Honestly of the 5 kings in this war Robb Stark was the most intelligent. He was brilliant on the battlefield and was crushing the Lannisters but he knew that he needed help. He wanted peace with Renly because he knew if he could keep Tywin busy Renly had a great chance of taking the Iron Throne. We wanted peace with the Greyjoys because he knew Balon only wanted to be an independent kingdom like the north and their alliance would cripple the Lannisters on both land and sea. However the greed and stupidity of the other kings cost him his goals because they didn't think Robb's plan would work. Imagine if Theon was able to convince his father to side with the North. That would be an alliance no one could stand against.
Renly was playing ball for the most part. Balon is just a prideful idiot
this is so true
And we wait endlessly for "Winds of Winter" to come out.
Nothing to say, just amaizing ! Kiss from a french fan
Dude, you've done a great job. Ty)
The thing I love about this War is about the politics regarding the noble houses, how just a mistake (the execution of Ned Stark) can start a massive civil war, how wispers of a possible truth may inspire many people to take advantage. Also I love how this wars teaches us that wars are not only won through battles, I mean Robb Stark was never defeated in battle but a series of mistakes made him lose the whole North, the war and his life. And most importantly, this showed how humanity always finds a way to destroy itself when there are things that we should take care of instead of pitty kings. The Others are that example, we know they are coming, that only a united Westeros can defeat them but this war has weakened everyone, no matter who wins this war, if they don't stop now, this will be the end of all and the coming of the Long Night once and for all
No, this war didn't teach you anything :) It's the opposite. A small mistake was just a spark while the groundwork had been laid much earlier and had to do with economics
@@pushista9322 Explain yourself
@@pushista9322 What economics?
@@fildariusv7045 There are big economic powers in Westeros, like the Lannisters and the Reach, right? Were they content with their position during Robert's rule? What was it that Dorne secretly wanted to get back that had been lost? Etc.
13:00 house mormont joined stannis after he took deepwood motte
Yeah I was gonna say, it’s a bit weird that there’s this one little stark holdout who does nothing books after the starks have lost all their power. Once Stannis beats Asha the Stark cause is well and truly lost
Great video. My one criticism would be that having green sections for marsh and grey for mountains makes the map unnecessarily convoluted
No, I like it, because it shows terrain that is unpassable for armies and that influences strategic decisions.
Thank you so much for color coding names and places, it makes it so much easier to follow
This is the first video I've seen from you. Simply marvelous! Excellent job mate! You've earned a loyal follower!
Robb was one of my favorites, I wish we could have seen him lead an army with Jon against the army of the dead.
The books ❤❤❤❤
King Renly Baratheon you are a goddamn usurper and nothing more! Bend the knee to the one true king Stannis or be destroyed!
King Renly Baratheon bend the knee or I'll destroye you
Fuck off Stannis
Calm down bros, Gendry will avenge our house
So um.. King Robert Baratheon who would you say was the rightful king to the iron throne once you died.. Renly or Stannis ?
i am currently reading A Dance
and with 600 ish pages in
and some spoilers that slipped into
can i finally watch the whole video.
Finally
thx for your passionate work
Dornish be chillin
Ngl that north entry into the map was so badass!
Oh man so Roose was slowly prepping for Robb to lose. All because "Lannisters pay their debts" damn.
Yep, most people don't realize just how early Roose was plotting. He officially turned on Robb after Stannis lost the Blackwater, but he was hedging his bets as early as the Green Fork by keeping his own men out of the fight. This doesn't even include what Ramsay was up to.
RandomMikael While he wasn't really selling out to the Lannisters at first. He was positioning himself so that if the north won the war, Rose would have the most men out of all the other northern houses and could rise up and supplant the starks. Only after learning of Jaime's escape and the Blackwater and Tyrell alliance did Roose turncloak.
I wonder why he would want to betray Robb. Did he not have faith they could win the war? What was it that Robb did that made Roose think, "This kid clearly isn't winning the war, time to plot a betrayal."
Because early on they were winning and they had a shot at winning and Roose likely would have been given a lot of land and titles.
Damn you Edmure. Your "victory" at the Steel Mill mad Tywin retreat and assist in the Blackwater. If you had lead them further inland, he would have been unable to form an alliance and assist KL, causing Kings Landing to fall.
RandomMikael Yup Roose was planning a rebellion from the beginning and the war gave him the perfect opportunity to weaken the other lords.
Though it technically is Edmure's fault, I feel that Robb and the Blackfish should have explained the situation fully to him, then Robb could have bent the knee to Stannis and the war won.
One of the most complicated fictional conflicts ever.
Based off the wars of the roses so fair enough
This looks so good in perspective to season 8 of this show
It's funny how in a spam of three years, Westeros descended in a state of infighting even worse than prior the unification by Aegon
Amazing video, because remember how incredible this world is.
its very cool to see the threat of the others slowly getting to the wall while the war is happening. winds of winter the beggin of a apocaliptical war
After reading tons of fanfics on what could have been, I will never fail to look at the books themselves and see how this is literally the worst case scenario through and through. Constant, cataclysmic war that has totally enraptured the 7 kingdoms minus dorne and the vale, and look at the losses. The riverlands is more a memory than a reality, depopulated and ruined to shit. The north has been betrayed, invaded, and has fought itself many times over, with the western coast under years of strain from the ironborne, house bolton stubbornly holding onto their gains in the midst of the worst winter in history, and the houses of the north still not in accord all the while a vestige of the war of 5 kings continues to push for his claim up there. Based on what we know, it looks like (and i truly hope) that stannis will win in the books against the boltons, but at what cost?
Say he wins winterfell with whatever troops survive, winter is already here. He will undoubtedly march south, likely taking moat cailin and meeting up with hired sellswords from braavos. The what? March once again against the lannisters, only this time they will be without tywin, likely fighting themselves in some way in kinds landing if the show actually displays anything, Ok, so with an army he will fight agains the weary and dying in the riverlands, perhaps eliminate house frey for good and march toward kings landing with mostly foreign swords, since thats almost al thats left. Dorne surely backs Aegon, although im convinced hes a mummers dragon, and it breaks my heart that Jon will probably continue in the north, despite the fact that he is clearly the trueborn heir that he is. So then you probably end up with dorne and the "stormlands" (golden company) fighting against the reach, while the reach itself either wins against euron in the south, or some sort of kraken blood sacrifice makes things go apeshit. Now the reach is being ruined, when their food is desperately needed in the north where the real fight is taking place. Regardless, this is just the renewed war for the throne.
whats left of the lannisters may end up fighting against Stannis much as they fought against Robb, with some sort of northern support because I suspect a stark comes back to winterfell, likely Rickon or Jon perhaps. Whether the Tyrells die in Kings landing or not, the reach is in an insanely bad situation, all the while Daenarys eventually takes dragonstone and begins her own war for the throne. I suspect that Baelish, with the corpse of the riverlands and the vale, supports the lannisters and does something with Sansa once he gets her. Now what??
By the seven this is constant war and loss, while the white fucking walkers are probably taking the damn wall with an undermanned, understrength, non-unified nights watch, not even accounting for a possible horn that just blows the wall to bits. Now, the war for the dawn is beginning in what? the last two books that will never be written? And instead of my rose tinted glasses versions of fanfictions where the kingdoms are unified, prepared, sometimes more dragons and riders even, where even then they take considerable losses in pursuit of victory, instead the situation is literally the worst case.
The north is devastated, not unified, and bled dry. The white walkers trounce the north no questions asked if the wall can't hold for some time. People across the kindgoms offer no support to the true war, they are either dead or dying, and have bigger fish to fry as the blackfyre rebellion occurs for the last time, a targaryen with 3 dragons is probably burning lannisters and members of the golden company, and the lannisters exist in tatters as do the reach if dorne and Euron tag team both sides. So much for food i guess. The throne is a joke more than ever, the vale has forced under the command of a scheming lunatic, who will believe he has a chance at the throne before he believes in grumpkins and snarks.
The end result? Stannis (one of the few great commanders left) probably dies in the riverlands or in a second battle for kings landing, or my favorite to daenarys who just puts him out of his misery. A mummers dragon sees initial success, only to have to come to terms with the fact that he literally is a mercenary king, and unloved by the people. He either also loses to the true dragon, or horrifies me with initial success, or god forbid an attempted assassination or marriage to the true dragon. I have no idea how GRRM slots Jon into all of this, he either rises to become a protagonist in its fullest sense, or falls to the wayside trying to convince people of the true war, at least initially.
I Don't see how the burned out husk of winterfell, or any of the north for that matter (save for maybe bear island) makes it through the initial while walker invasion. The walkers gain considerable forces, and at best i see a stand by the neck from the forces of the living, if they are even ready by that time. Baelish has to die before anyone commits to this war, i Dont think the lannisters could be of any help, the reach is either in disarray or at best unwilling to help either, perhaps dany helps but what about Aegon? He is fresh in the conflict when he invades westeros, would certainly not be on Jon's side if the truth comes out, and perhaps won't even ally with Dany as they both want the throne for themselves. Does he die too? With his fresh army of mercenaries, not that they would fight against the white walkers, they would probably flee to essos long before that.
THIS is the worst case scenario, and it is what GRRM loves to contemplate and write about. It is much more accurate to humanity itself than the shit I read, although I fear that this could end up with the white walkers... winning... I mean we don't even know if they have a night king, we have no idea if killing one takes the wytes that they raised personally, and we Dont have an inkling of knowledge as to their powers when it comes to bringing true winter to the continent. With invasion after invasion, civil war after civil war, there is an unforgivable amount of animosity between sides--
No one will ever trust the Iron Borne again, nor after two civil wars and now Eurons nonsense. Where they made all these boats, where they got all of these sailors is beyond me. The Lannisters are fucked in reputation and in leadership with Tywins death, and has burned bridges with the riverlands, north, perhaps even the reach is Cersei does what she may do, and was already an enemy of Dorne, whatever their plans are. (Not to mention the stormlands and vale). Who gives a shit about a throne at this point, the kingdoms are pretty much completely disunited now no matter the outcome. Perhaps only the dragons can reign in the kingdoms reluctantly, and dany would have to be pretty flawless to do so, which i suspect she will not.
@@Darius0109 Jon I agree but could be a subversion of expectations if he comes back changed or if he does not end up as a true protagonist. As for Stannis, I wouldn't call that fanservice for two reasons: One is that if the northern conspiracy is true and if he does indeed use the ice to sink the frey army, then that is both an earned redemption of the blackwater and a believable coup against Bolton rule, meaning that Stannis wins convincingly and less like the miracle that was the Battle of the Bastards. Second is that Stannis winning is allowing him to descend further into madness, George has already confirmed that Shireen meets the same fate in the books, so it would be less fan service if he ends up being an antagonist himself. On another note, I do not consider things fan service when they allow for the story to be expanded upon, and I simply think that Stannis' camp offers better story than the Bolton one. No good POVs now in Winterfell, I would rather see through a returned Davos or something the clusterfuck that would be Stannis trying to rule over the north through this mess...
...in James Hibberd's book "Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon"
(talking about the 2013 meeting with D&D) "It wasn’t easy for me. I didn’t want to give away my books. It’s not easy to talk about the end of my books. Every character has a different end. I told them who would be on the Iron Throne, and I told them some big twists like Hodor and “hold the door,” and Stannis’s decision to burn his daughter. We didn’t get to everybody by any means. Especially the minor characters, who may have very different endings."@@Darius0109
So not only did he plan (in 2013, obviously could change over time) for a similar fate for Shireen, he explicitly said for this book that it was "Stannis' decision", which insinuates that he will at least be around long enough for that command to be given. Now, he could retreat with the remnants of an army to Castle Black or Eastwatch, and make the order there out of desperation, but at the very least his story does not end at Winterfell based on existing evidence.
There is the "Frey Pies" theory that Wyman has baked three Freys into a pie that is served at Ramsey's wedding feast, there are possibilities like poison, or simply killing Bolton leadership and the army choosing to retreat to the Dreadfort rather than continue a siege without leaders. Or a passageway could be opened in the night for the besieging army, while the guards are drugged during a feast or celebration, While Stannis' force is enjoined by other Northern houses that switch sides.
@darius0109 late by several months but as for the Ironborn most of their men is mostly because they actually haven't lost any real decisive battles in the war yet. The one's left in the North were mostly skeleton garrisons with Moat Cailin having only like 65 defenders with only 55 being actually capable of fighting (which them holding off the Boltons for as long as they did that's impressive). So their manpower is mostly because besides Asha whose in the North the Ironborn are united, have most of their manpower, and as for their ships well they're longships. Even the Iron Fleet ships while larger likely wouldn't take too long to make. And the favored Ironborn naval tactic is to board enemy ships and then take said ships for their own so a good portion of their navy is filled with taken mainlander ships as Theon notes in one of his POV Chapters and since the Ironborn wear armour even when they're on their ships they have significant advantage over the other mainlanders so long as they board their ships and as shown with the Taking of the Shield Islands by Euron they're led by someone whose a competent military leader.
Hard to believe that its 2024 and we still dont know what happens next in cannon...
It's crazy how much more detailed and complex the book plot is to the show plot. HBO really butchered the story and the characters.
With this amount of chaos in Westeros. The Others/White Walkers would probably have easy time killing everyone off.
Assuming the wall doesn't fall that is. And that's assuming the horn of Joramun hasn't been found.
You could teach a class on this shit
Can't wait for Book VI to come out!
what always annoyed me was renly and stannis petty sibling rivalry, they could have joined forces with the support of robb and the reach .
4:43 "The only mystery is how your brother reached him. Our forces still hold the stronghold at the Golden Tooth, and they swear he did not pass.” SANSA lll, ACOK
And regarding Stannis most of his supporters bend the Knee immediatly after the blackwater, it would be safe to turn all the south red but for Dragonstone, Stormsend and our always True and loyal Fair island
J Felipe Munra Vel Actually the Stormlords who are still in their castles and the people left behind stay loyal until the tyrell forces are dispatched to bring them to heel.
completly agree but the video is still very well done
All of the Stormlands never joined Stannis in the first place. 4/5 of the combined Reach and Stormlands caverly did. Many lords even stayed neutral until Aegon showed up and started taking castles.
Боян Михов Aye it was the cavalry but among them were many lords and landed knights. But yes, a few stayed neutral to wait out the storm, traitors and cravens.
Dylan Lowers The other point I am making is that since the Reach had many more man than the Stormlands they also had more cavelry. So there were actually more Reach lords joining Stannis than Stormlands lords. That's the reason I don't understand why everyone is saying the Stormlands joined Stannis but no one says that the Reach also joined him
"Stannis Baratheon defeats Asha Greyjoy and takes Moat Cailin."
Damn, did GRRM reveal chapters from TWOW to you?
GRRM's posted a few chapters, Stannis does do that. Not Moat Cailin, it's a different fortress and the uploader corrected it later.
he was talking abouth Deepwood Motte
What I like the most out of all of this video is that you look at it all from a neutral perspective.
From this neutral perspective, the Lannisters seem like the good guys and the Starks the aggressors with Tyrion's unlawful capture. Even Ned's execution seems pretty just.
Just thought it was interesting is all.
That's the beauty of the story as told in the books, being told from the perspective of different participants each chapter has a different bias. It really seems like Tyrion is a villain until he isn't. Ned Stark's execution was marred only by the fact that he was supposed to be allowed to take the black and join the Night's Watch in exchange for his confession.
In the fourth book, the Lannister ARE the good guys. Ok, it's always a war, but they are the only who create order in the Riverlands, after that bloody conflict between the lion and the wolf in AGOT, ACOK and ASOS. And there are Tommen and Kevan, which are truly good men.
@@feliceiudice3773 Yeah they created some semblance of "order" when it was their butchers: Clegane, Lorch and Hoat who created the disorder to begin with
@@feliceiudice3773 Kevan's dead and now The Targaryen boy is marching on King's Landing.
Aren't Mormonts under Stannis now?
I believe they basically told him to fuck off when he tryed to get their support, and that they will only support a stark
@@futurei0oo The Mormonts are smart and they know their place when in the presence of The One True King. They want independence but they're supporting Stannis because he helped out their neighbor (House Glover) and is fighting for an honorable cause.
It would be great if after the 7th book you will complete this video
You know, a decade from now at the current rate. XD
Damn it... 2022 and still no Winds of Winter.
I hope Stannis wins
099Nitro knowing how Martin likes to break our hearts. We might see Stannis winning the battle on the ice and unite the North once Davos by then would have found Rickon. Stannis is still the underdog. Once he starts winning however....
Well, we might see the Iron Stag die fighting the Others at a breached area of the wall.
Oh he’s dead the moment The Wall comes down.
Man, I want to start playing WarLight again now
Great ending to the map lol
STANNIS, STANNIS, STANNIS!
Great map!
Stannis is true King!Glory to the last just man on this planet!!
This is a very pro video
If you're being faithful to the books, it is never confirmed that Stannis ordered the killing of his brother by the red witch.
It isn't confirmed but it's heavily implied and believed. Do you really think Melisandre would kill Renly using magic without her kings permission. Stannis is a very strict man and would likely execute for something like that. I'm pretty sure he had a hand in it but he was in denial because of it.
@@amanimckenzie32 In actuality, Stannis never gave the order to kill his brother with the shadow baby. Melisandre deliberately unleashed the baby WITHOUT permission so that when Renly is killed under mysterious circumstances, Stannis believes that it was the will of the Lord of Light. As Professor Attewell of Race for the Iron Throne said regarding Stannis' seeing Renly's death:
"When viewed in context, I think we should take him at his word - that Stannis subconsciously experienced the assassination of Renly but did not order it. Earlier in the same chapter, when the parlay is debating whether Brienne killed Renly, Stannis cuts across the argument by saying “the Lord of Light willed that my brother die for his treason.” For all that Stannis might not be the most fervent R’hllorite, he clearly has come to believe in Melisandre’s prophecies."
@@DrSwiftkiller But then if Stannis wasn't apart of the assassination how comes Melisandre obtained the Kings blood to make the shadow. Doesn't she need kingsblood in order to perform her magic? Stannis and Shireen where the only ones around Melisandre that have kings blood (as they had not gained Edric Storm yet) and It's never implied that Shireen had anything to do with it so it had to be Stannis's blood she used.
@@amanimckenzie32 King's blood was never an ingredient to make a shadow assassin, only the life force of a person. Shadow magic is not exclusive to followers of R'hllor. Melisandre deliberately leaves out information to Stannis so that his faith in the Lord of Light becomes stronger. She even offers to make more shadow babies with Davos in ASOS, Davos III:
“Is the brave Ser Onions so frightened of a passing shadow? Take heart, then. Shadows only live when given birth by light, and the king’s fires burn so low I dare not draw off any more to make another son. It might well kill him.” Melisandre moved closer. “With another man, though…a man whose flames still burn hot and high…if you truly wish to serve your king’s cause, come to my chamber one night. I could give you pleasure such as you have never known, and with your life-fire I could make…”
@@DrSwiftkiller Oh I never knew that you can do it with anyone. Anyways even if you can use any blood don't we know that Melisandre used Stannis's since she said in the quote you just used 'The king's fires burn so low I dare not draw any more to make another son. It might well kill him.' We also know she used Stannis since after the death of Renly and Courtney Penrose he looks drastically older. And also if her magic doesn't require Kings blood why does she need Edric as a sacrifice.
Insane work !!
Ok this is epic
Amazing job really, keep on
Excellent
Phase 1: Robb, Renly, Stannis, Joffrey, Balon
Phase 2: Stannis, Tommen, Aegon, Euron
Phase 3: Aegon, Euron, Dany, Stark King #2, Others
My personal favorite is going to be Phase 3.
Phase two is more interesting
I just watch a fucking map for 15 minutes.. and i aint lost!!!
The (non-existent in the books) Night King is the one true king of Westeros, may all true men, women and children declare their obedience.
can you make a video like this about the things happend in the show?
To be continued in the Winds of Winter... eventually 😒
Well done, you got my sub friendo :)
Season 2 of HoD is coming soon. Would you please make a video for dance of the dragons?
Robb never took the Golden Tooth
Why did you stop making videos? These are awesome
This is awesome Manus Tallguy. 10/10. Are you planning anymore from other fantasy series?
Jaeden What fantasy series do you want to see? If it's popular you can probably find it done by someone else somewhere on youtube
Lets talk about how Dorne and the Earyn give no fucks
If only the Arryns sides with Robb he would have probably won
@@augustobosi1604 n riverland, worst uncle n aunt ever
Thank you!
Sry I didnt read the books, I know about the Golden Company. But they dont appear in the show although here yes.. hm
Anyone can explain?
Basicly in books Aegon Targeryen(the one that was supposed to be killed during sack of Kings Landing before events from book and TV series) is revealed to be alive at some point. Because of Vays scheming, Golden Company of mercenaries side with him and they invade Stormlands at the end of V. I think it happens before Margaery trial.
Nice. That changes a lot the plot. thx
I really root for some Daenerys vs Aegon civil war. Martin wouldn't be himself if he just let them reunite and side with each other :P
Please, someone could shed light on who is Aegon VI? Is he the son of Elia Martell, and is he still alive? I haven't read the books yet. Isn't Danny the 'last' known Targaryen in the books? Or Aegon VI = JS? (This last doesn't make sense according to the video.)
In the books, according to lord Varys, he swaped Aegon with a random kid and sent him to Essos with Rhaegar's best friend Jon Connington.
There is a theory that this claim is false however and he is in reality a Blackfire, a member of a bastard branch of house Targaryen (maybe you've heared about the Blackfire rebelion?), a fact that both him and Jon C ignore.
That is believed to be the reason that the golden company (a merc company created by the Blackfires) and lord Varys(who is believed to be a Blackfire himself) support him.
Wow, thanks! It would be a crazy plot twist, if this would appear in the show. The producers didn't leave much options for some of the characters (e.g. Varys) in the show, though. What a pity.
@@ubelyildmar2368 If Aegon were in the show, it wouldn’t solved the many pacing issues with Seasons 5&6. It also would’ve been a much more engaging story than Dany vs. Cersei in Seasons 7&8. Hell, Aegon becoming loved by the people and Varys using propaganda to make him more loved and Dany look more like a villainous barbarian would explain why Dany burns King’s Landing.
I like how u used WarLight for the map
6:34 goddamn it, edmure
Shouldn't Dorne and the Vale be marked red? Nuetrality is sticking with the status quo, which means they're still loyal to King's Landing.
Not really. Neither of them are helping the Lannisters during the war.
It's known from the fourth book that Doran Martell is planning to support Aegon VI. Also he has a great grudge agaisnt Tywin for ordering to kill Elia Martell during Robert's rebellion.
And the Vale is controlled by Petyr Baelish who manipulates Lisa Arryn (and later becomes lord-protector for her underage son). It's very clear from Sansa's chapters that he's not a Lannister supporter but rather has his own interests.
Great video
How did the Others get to the Iron Islands?
*_I thought they couldn't swim._*
Boats
Just imagine Renly not being killed...
The Realm will be a terrible shape. It would be divided between three kings and The Iron Throne would be plagued by so much corruption. With a divided realm means all out war, which means so many men don't have to die will die in the constant wars caused by that vile traitor. Also, so many brothers would fight each other over lands, so even more people will die.
Sweet job
We need part 2 of this movie
ALREADY 6 YRS?!
Very good
I kind of wish Renly’s faction lasted longer